San Francisco 49ers 20 - Arizona Cardinals 16: Disconcerting Signals FTW!!!!
by David Fucillo on Sep 13, 2009 4:59 PM PDT
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PrintGood lord. I really can't handle too many games like this. YOUR San Francisco 49ers went in to Glendale, Arizona and pulled out the 20-16 victory thanks in large part to some really sloppy play by the Cardinals. How sloppy? How about 12 penalties for 82 yards. The 49ers defense was as impressive as they've been since pre-Erickson, but the Cardinals definitely did not help themselves.
The Good
Pass Rush: You want a pass rush? I'll give you a pass rush. The 49ers defense was dominant in the pass rush today. They were getting to Warner all day, even when they weren't getting the sacks. Parys Haralson took a big step towards showing 2008 was not a fluke. Manny Lawson didn't get any sacks but was flying all over the field, particularly in the first half. It's only one game, but we have to be pleased with Lawson's performance thus far.
Oh yea, and then there was Justin Smith. Justin Smith's stats rarely show big numbers, even though he clearly is a beast for that defense. At this point, the box score at nfl.com shows 1 tackle, 1 sack, 1 forced fumble. We know that is not the case. Justin Smith has been a beast from the day the 49ers signed him and continued that today. He's a leader for the defense and a beast on the line.
Defense as a whole: Tim Hightower tore the 49ers defense up in the second half, but I think the 49ers did an excellent job containing the Cardinals. In the first half they were very solid and in the second half, they went to a bend but don't break style and were successful. They shut down Anquan Boldin (who might still be hobbled) and while Larry Fitzgerald did score and get 71 yards, he was not all that much of a factor. Shawntae Spencer and Nate Clements both stepped up when they were asked to cover Fitzgerald.
Patrick Willis: He still occasionally gets out of position due to overpursuit, but Bamm Bamm remains a rock for that defense. My favorite play was when he had a guy draped on him and he still reached out to bring down Tim Hightower down for a short loss. He never gives up on a play, even when he seems out of reach.
Week 1 Divisional Road Victories: I'll have plenty to say about the bad and the ugly from today, but in the end, a win is a win is a win. They don't come any bigger than road divisional wins. Especially in the NFC West. It's that simple.
Niners Nation commentors: Just a huge day here at the site for the threads. With comments still rolling in, we're at 2,400 comments for today's game over 4 threads. Just spectacular. At the end of this recap I'll post the stats on # of comments by individuals.
After the jump, we look at the bad and the ugly, and then take a quick look ahead to Week 2...
The Bad
The Playcalling: We'll get to the offensive line in a minute. For now though, let's talk about 3 plays and a cloud of dust. The 49ers were about as unoriginal as we could expect on first and second down. Not only was the play-calling run, run, pass on 3rd and long, but the runs were the same everytime. #21 dive left, #21 dive right. Wouldn't a sweep left or right have helped? Or, when Hill was getting killed and Gore couldn't find holes, wouldn't a screen pass have been a good thing?
The Referees: If this hadn't been the head ref's first game I would have included this in the ugly. But they definitely struggled early on before settling down. As the title of this thread will tell you, I'm wildly amused by the Disconcerting Signals penalty. I realize what it is now, but it is still the most bizarre penalty I've heard of to date.
The Ugly
Offensive Line: Just atrocious. Shaun Hill was to blame for not getting rid of the ball at times, but often he wasn't exactly given a ton of time. And on the running plays it seemed like there wasn't a single hole open most of the game. I remain willing to give them a little more time seeing as they didn't get a chance to play together all that much in the preseason. Nonetheless, they need to show some improvement very soon.
Next Week
vs. Seattle - The 49ers simply have to win this game. If they can jump to 2-0 in the division, they're putting themselves in an excellent position for success. The Seahawks rolled the hapless Rams, so we can't quite make many judgments on them yet. However, divisional games tend to be battles so it'll be tough no matter what. PLENTY more to come on this matchup in the coming days.
We'll have plenty of coverage of this afternoon's victory, including a look tomorrow morning (8am pacific) at Singletary's 5 keys to victory. For now, enjoy 1-0!
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Bondslegend needs to change to
Montanalegend after this showing. 291 wow.
He's not retired...THANK YOU!
He’s the GDT jponry of Niners Nation.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Only 54 for you?
This isn’t training camp. You can do better.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
I didn’t wander over until the 2nd quarter!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I didn’t realize there had been a mass migration over here.
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When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I was stunned by the play of both lines. It was the exact opposite of how they played in the preseason.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Adam Snyder is who we thought he was!
He's not retired...THANK YOU!
hey its the boo hoo no pass rush guy
eat it
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
settle down...
that applies to everybody.
by David Fucillo on Sep 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't worry about Hightower ...
I think you’re happy when you play the Cards and Hightower is their leading receiver. He got a lot of yards, but he was the dump-off man when the WRs were covered. You make that tradeoff any day.
by Ronaldinho on Sep 13, 2009 5:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The best part was the confidence I had in the pass rush at the end of the game. I was nervous as heck, but you just knew the rush was gonna put pressure on Warner during those last 2 drives.
Also, how the fuck do you mess up a “12 men on the field” penalty that badly? That was ridiculous and thank god you can challenge that call.
post-game thread
I realize this is technically still a game-day thread, but let’s try and avoid the swearing in it if at all possible
by David Fucillo on Sep 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
gotcha
I thought it was in the rules of the site that you click on when you join, but I could be wrong….and it’s also easy to click that you accept and move on (I do that a lot).
by David Fucillo on Sep 13, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
not a problem
It happens and easy enough to clear up going forward.
by David Fucillo on Sep 13, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Purple Row appreciates this
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Sep 13, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
New postgame show on CSN Bay Area right now..
He's not retired...THANK YOU!
Eric Davis looks pissed to be there with those guys joking around.
He's not retired...THANK YOU!
fox show
I’m watching the Fox post-game show.
by David Fucillo on Sep 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the speech by Takeo Spikes
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
NFL
I was watching the NFL channel with Eisen, Sanders, Irvin, and Sapp.. I was excited to see what they would say since all of them predicted the Cardinals would win. Well they didn’t mention much of how well we did, but they were good at annoying me by saying “Hill with another pass to Crabtree. oops hes not there”. They would say that every time it showed Hill completing a pass to someone during the highlights…
I think we have to win a couple more games for the rest of the NFL to give us the respect we “know that we” deserve. Next week we should be able to beat the Rams at home. I watched how the Hawks took them apart pretty good even after Hasselbeck throw a couple INTs. From what i saw today with the Vikings vs Browns I feel that we can beat the Vikings. Favre is rusty and looks like he will retire before the season ends “unless the Vikings end up going to the playoffs”. I wasn’t surprised with Peterson, because he is just good like that, but other than him and rookie sensation Harvin I’m not worried much. Plus Lewis ran well against the Vikings so Gore should do even better especially if we have Pashos instead of that loser we have starting “don’t wanna say his name”. I’m so happy with our defense, they’re amazing :) and I feel that it was meant to be a win for us after Singletary had called the defense around him and he laid everything out for them. =)
Go Niners!!
I got my games mixed up
But in order to not make this post a pointless one of me apologizing i will also add a note that after our win today i feel that we can go on a 5-0 winning streak :)
my bad about the Rams game lol
I was going to talk about week 4 sorry everybody…
I think we will beat the Hawks too :)
I couldn’t care less about respect. As long as I’m pleased with the progress of the team, I’m satisfied
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Sep 13, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
FOOCH
Hey,
How bout the statistical analysis?
Cards were supposed to win right? AND they had better stats….
How did the Niners win? Thier “cliched” heart I suppose eh?
AZ Penalties and Niners D
Arizona had a ton of penalties, some coming on key drives, and the Niners D was on fire this game, coming up with the big plays when they needed to.
It was more like AZ losing than the 49ers winning.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 13, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
he's a Seahawks fan
and it’s easy to talk mess when your team plays the LOLRAMS
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
Oh...
I guess they aren’t good enough to have thier own stuff in Seattle? Is that why he comes here to trash talk?
i think for some odd reason
he really loves us over here
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
well he can't have him
he’s mine
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
p willy crush
bignerd….WHO DOESNT HAVEA CRUSH ON HIM HAHA
man crush’s are suppose to be few but i think last year i added p willy on that list…. =)
Weird
Can someone please create a blogtastic for these guys here? Obviously Fearless Frog and russak aren’t smart enough to create thier own…
Fooch? Maybe you can help them out?
they have their own blog
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
blogtastic?
What’s a blogtastic?
I actually enjoy having them come over and bring an outside opinion. Occasionally I get annoyed with what they have to say, but they’re more often than not bringing solid arguments with them, or at least attempting to. It’s a mostly free country here (minus our swearing policy of course). I don’t always like counter-opinions, but it makes it more interesting than me saying the 49ers are awesome and everybody agreeing, don’t you think?
by David Fucillo on Sep 13, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
No
Not really…
I like to celebrate wins…not defend them.
Do you actually like the Niners Fooch? beggining to doubt your credentials
Calling out the Head Coach of a SBNation blog is not usually well received by others and more importantly, the Head Coach.
Do you actually like the Niners Fooch? beggining to doubt your credentials
No. I am sure he spends countless hours writing for this blog because he “actually does not like SF”. Riiight….
The point is that is good to hear other points of views from others (rivals) as long as they come across in a polite manner. What’s wrong with that?
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by Giant among Angels on Sep 13, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
really?
Because I like having fans of other teams visit this site? This conversation is clearly not going to be productive.
by David Fucillo on Sep 13, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
lol?
Do you actually like the Niners Fooch? beggining to doubt your credentials
Who is this guy?
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
the resident Niners Nation
credential checker?
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
Hmmm..
Maybe an alias/troll.
Talks about heart, will to win, hates statistical analysis, bashes the Cards, calls out 49er fans and Fooch..
Sound familiar?
A “Reverend Singletary” would really give it away.
Well, we're waiting....
lol i see where this is going
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
Nothing wrong with other fans posting
A blog is for discussion, that’s kind of the point.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 13, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
victory
As has been mentioned, Arizona penalties played a big role in this. The Cardinals penalties absolutely killed them. The pass rush showed up, something we hadn’t seen in the preseason. Those were the two primary keys to victory.
by David Fucillo on Sep 13, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we Niner fans have to be honest ...
… aside from that one drive in the 4th quarter, our offense was awful. Just terrible.
Now, holding the Cards to 16 is a nice accomplishment, especially when your offensive delivers a big stinky turd like that, but it’s really hard to get excited about this team’s prospects if that’s what we’re going to see with the ball most seasons.
Arizona wouldn’t have had to have been very much better on offense to make Hill’s 4th-quarter heroics meaningless.
Well
Team Total Yds Pass Yds Rush Yds First Downs 3rdD% Pen./Yds Turnovers Time of Poss.
San Francisco 230 209 21 13 38.9% 4/31 1 31:37
Arizona 328 288 40 17 28.6% 12/82 2 28:23
Penalties and 3rd down% were key in this win, as well as the turnover battle. Kinda shows you where the teams were at.
Well, we're waiting....
The whole thing was scary.
Parts of it were infuriating. Parts of it were exhilarating. An ugly win is still a win, though.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
Singletary beat Whisenhunt on one key issue...
Penalties. AZ is still a stupid team on penalties. That was huge this game.
Well, we're waiting....
it's not really an excuse
penalties killed the Cards
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
They still have them..
After last season too. Whizz better get that together. Singletary already has.
Well, we're waiting....
They were..
It not excuses either. To ignore that factor is an excuse on your part.
Well, we're waiting....
I predicted the
WIN… due to particular factors that I knew the Cards would be weak on. Singletary exploited those and the Cards looked disoriented at times….hence the turnovers, hence the mental errors, etc…
So yeah smart guy…I did! and more importantly THEY DID!!!
ALWAYS HATERS!!! Gotta love em
Just for you
Actually the better strategy
Is to drop back into coverage with the Cardinals and force them to put together long drives to score. Let them sabotage themselves with turnovers and penalties to stop drives. Kurt Warner puts up mind boggling stats against the blitz, not to mention it’s easier to tackle Fitz and Boldin with three guys instead of one.
by bignerd on Sep 9, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So penalties mean something?
That’s the point.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;ylt=Ak42WyaiwYFFZMcyuBR.lBDubYF?gid=20090913022
The 49ers had 3 yards rushing in the first half and still led 13-6, thanks in part to two interceptions by Warner and eight penalties for 58 yards against Arizona.
Last season, the Cards were one of the dumbest teams when it came to penalties. Whisenhunt didn’t fix that.
Well, we're waiting....
You did see..
12 penalties for 82 yards, right? Especially the ones in the 4th quarter?
Well, we're waiting....
4 for 31..
as opposed to 12 for 82. One of the 49er penalties was that weird Disconcerting Signal thingy.
Well, we're waiting....
Penalties don't have an impact?
You figured those in with you prediction? Talk in circles much?
Well, we're waiting....
The Niners
just played smarter. Give credit were credit is due…. have fun terrorizing the rest of the bloggers here. You have no valid point. I dont like to spin my wheels and waste energy. Have at it. Late!
Penalties had a part in that..
You said it yourself. That’s the cold douse of water on youse.
Well, we're waiting....
Yes they did..
And usually, the dumber team (the Cards) get’s more PENALTIES.
Here is a clue: they include those things in the BOX SCORE.
Well, we're waiting....
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by Giant among Angels on Sep 13, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s the third best newsletter . . . AT BEST!
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In this one …NO.
It was the mental edge the Niners had over the Cards
If I have this right, you’re saying the Niners had a mental edge over the Cardinals, penalties had nothing to do with the win. Yet penalties, one could argue, can be a mental mistake (late hits, offsides, false starts, etc).
So you’re saying the Niners had the mental edge, but penalties weren’t a factor.
Shirley, you jest.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Agreed
There were areas to be happy about (the defensive pass rush, the takeaways, Frank’s two TDs, Samurai’s time out to get the defense back on track, no interceptions thrown by Hill) but there were also many areas of concern (streaky play from Hill, woeful rushing game thanks in large part to ugly offensive line play, inability to capitalize on opponent’s mistakes…this was the one comment they highlighted from Singletary coming out of the half) but the Niners won the game and in the end that is all that really matters. Hopefully some of these areas of concern will be addressed in practice this week so we can welcome the Seahawks to town in style.
Who won this game?
I’d like to say that the D-line gave us the win
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
i am not a big fan of Jimmy Raye so far
I love Justin Smith and think he has been a great FA pick-up. I’m disappointed we didn’t see more from Josh Morgan, but I still think he’s going to be a big factor this year and what can you say about Bamm Bamm he is an absolute beast and I want him to get an extension right now. Tell Crabtree, sorry buddy you don’t wanna sign we"ll spend our money on a real football player.
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
Jimmy Raye
In the tradition of Jeff Hostler.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 13, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Jimmy Rayes offense is DYNOMITE!!
Every play’s a handoff
Good Times
We don’t see the playoffs
Good Times
Gore be divin’ and fumblin’
Good Times
Crying at our o-line
Good Ti…imes
Ain’t we lucky we have him
GOOD TIMES
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 13, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I particularly enjoyed the 3rd and 9 (IIRC, may have been 6) in the 4th quarter with less than a minute to go, and the Niners trot out a 1 WR, 2 TE, 2 Back set. The call is a run play, which hasn’t worked all day, and the defense is stacked at the line to shut Gore down. Lost yards, 4th down, Niners punt.
Shaun, couldn’t you maybe audible out of that one? I’m just thinking, maybe a little PA would be good here?
We won, and that’s great… But that offensive play calling kind of sucked.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
If they pass
And the pass is incomplete then the Cards get the ball with a little over 1 minute to play.
That was the right call.
And it shouldn’t matter if we’re deep in our own territory, that’s what Andy Lee is for.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
+2
Definitely agree, as I’ve been reading down the thread here. Ronaldinho’s comment about if the pass is incomplete, they have an additional 40 seconds on the clock. Good points for chik and Ron.
I’d like to retract my previous statement. But I still don’t like the offensive play calling so far.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
None of us liked the offensive play calling
But I still believe that Jimmy Raye was just unprepared and that he will go into next week’s game with a more complete game plan.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
i don't know if i believe he will
but i darn sure hope he will
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
It was the absolute right thing to do
By running it three times in the waning moments we pushed Arizona to the brink of defeat. Notre Dame blew it on Saturday by passing twice at the end and allowing Michigan to save those two timeouts and that made all the difference in the world. Instead Warner to resorted to passing it to the sideline, which were covered. Then up the middle for 25 that took 20 seconds off the clock. Then he was forced to drop back and hold it until Smith forced the fumble and ended the game. We should have done a play action on 3rd down with about 5 minutes left when we were down at our own 4, that play calling was too conservative. But with 2 minutes left you force the other team to go 88 yards in 55 seconds with no timeouts. Well that is game, set, match unless you are the Bengals LMFAO
by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 14, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Gotta trust your QB on the first 3rd down near the goal line. The final three runs were the correct call. If Baas doesn’t miss his block the lane was there for Gore to get the 1st down with Norris leading. Another example of less than stellar Guard play yesterday.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Raye has been out of work for a while
He’s still better than Martz
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im not so sure about that
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
do u remember the call at the 2 yd line
The gimmick play where gore was at WR, yead that stupid play!!
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The reffs supposedly were to blame
Martz said that he thought the ball was at the 1 but the refs put it at the 3.
There was an article (don’t have the link) where he was interviewed
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Whether the ball was at the 1 or the 3, Michael Robinson shouldn’t have been the guy who got it.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
That doesn't even matter
If you want to bitch
Bitch about Raye’s inability to call an outside running play
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
To be fair
He called a couple and the blitz wasn’t blocked up the middle resulting in RB’s getting tackled in the backfield.
Yes it does...my point was
I’d take Raye over martz is all I said
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do you remember that call from today on our 2 yard line
3rd and 7 and we run a draw?
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
Did it cause us to lose
This game is about wins and losses. So you nurse a lead with consecutive passing plays, how about JTO getting the nod because he’s the guy Martz wanted but not the best to win. Are you seriously comparing the two when one has an ego that is more important than the team. Geez I’m sure Raye had some rust.
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it didn't cause us to lose
but it gave me a mini heart attack, made me say WTF kinda (site decorum) is that and made me feel confident I could do a better job play calling then Jimmy Raye. So pretty much it felt just like last season.
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
No way it felt like last year
He at least stuck to the run. You run on third and seven when you play field position football. Not to mention again he’s been out of OCing for a few years of course he can improve, he wasn’t great but Martz would have had JTO out there and blew the game as well.
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Sticking to the run prevented 5 to 6 turnovers
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and we only gave up 3 sacks
it’s still to many but doesn’t average out to 55
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Quit complaining
The failed running attack was because Jimmy Raye didn’t call different types of running plays.
They need to mix it up and gameplan better
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not disagreeing with you...?
Unless someone else is going to be calling the plays next week, then I don’t see how this is a counterpoint.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
They just have to gameplan better
It seemed as if they didn’t have any different running plays prepared.
Maybe they’ll fix that next week?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
"Different types of running plays"
I think that’s too facile an answer.
The simple truth is that our offensive line wasn’t creating space for Gore. That means you’re going to have a hard time running the ball whether you run it inside or outside.
Not on sweeps or screens
The Cardinals did a great job of filling every single gap.
Gore had no where to go.
That, however, doesn’t mean that the O-line can’t block moving defenders on screen passes.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
being saved for the seahawks
How many magicians walk out at the beginning of their act and just go Blam. Rabbit, handkerchief and flowers in 2 seconds. give the O a break it produced wen it needed to .
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Maybe you're right
But Jimmy Raye needs to prepare better than that.
He didn’t think that the Cards would be able to shut down Frank Gore.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
no one here did either
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Well there was no excuse
For how they played today (er, yesterday).
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 14, 2009 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Dockett lived in the backfield
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I liked the play where Chilo Rachal just flat out mauled him one on one
I believe we had a TD because of that block?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Which according to bignerd...
Means they ran the ball with success.
Bliss, pure bliss.
Well, we're waiting....
This should make you weep with joy...
Frank Gore didn’t exactly rip off one big run after another on Sunday. Here are all his rushes Sunday, in chronological order:
First quarter: -2 yards … -2 … +3 … +1 … 0
Second quarter: 0 yards … +3 … +2 … +6 (TD) … +4
Third quarter: +4 yards … +1 … +2 … -1 … +4
Fourth quarter: 3 yards… +1 … +2 … -5 …4 … +3 … -2
BTW, I didn’t link where this came from, because you wouldn’t like where it came from.
Well, we're waiting....
LOL
Are you trying to find a moral loss out of a victory?
You can pretty much kill every team for some aspect of their game today. If the run game is this bad a month from now I will be worried. The Cards were sending the house to stop the run and it wasn’t as though 7 defenders were the box. Unlike 2007, when the 49ers went to throw the ball they were not completely inept . . . Morgan, Bruce and VD produced when given a chance.
2008?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Those rushing stats...
Isn’t a “moral” loss. This is a tangible number.
Of course, it kinda blows up whatever point you’re trying to make here.
But that’s par for the course with you.
Well, we're waiting....
Dude
We are all trying to figure out what point you are trying to make?
The running game wasn’t good? Geez, thanks for the insight. I’ve spent 8 comments trying to draw it out of you.
Who is we?..
From what I see, you’re the only one who is on your own side of the fence.
Very chimpy of you.
Well, we're waiting....
I too am confused by your comments
You are both saying similar things yet you disagree…..?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 14, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
No it doesn't
Their odds of scoring were fairly good there no matter what they called. That play was pretty unimportant in the grand scheme of the game. Using VOA (unadjusted for opponent) I’d guess the Niners would be about 0, or perfectly average. In other words, they’d have a 50% chance of winning against an average opponent. I think that would be pretty fair, the Niners (offense) didn’t play that well today. What VOA do you think they desever?
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 13, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
because
on first and goal from the 6, teams usually score touchdowns.
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I’m having trouble with this notion… As I understand it, football is really played in the Red Zone, because the field is much shorter, and there’s a lot less space to cover, so scoring touchdowns is much more difficult. Over the years, we’ve really seen evidence of this with our Niners sputtering out on drives once they get into the red zone.
I’m curious how DVOA or VOA reconciles this.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Because
There were lots of other plays that set it up and numerous others that had just as big of an impact. If you look at the expected points both before and after the TD, I’m sure it didn’t change that much. Surely not as much as the turnovers, the stop on 4th down, etc. Those plays had a bigger impact on the game.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 14, 2009 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Thats all on the OC and not the OL
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Because averaging out to 48 is so much better?
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If the running game is established the number sacks should diminish
Key word there is “should” though….
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by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
You have to look at process
Not just result. I think that draw play on 3rd and 7 was a terrible play call. Here’s my reasoning, which I wrote below:
There was too much time to just run the ball and accept punting that deep in your own territory. But we ran three straight runs, all of which got stuffed. I think you have to at least try to pass there, otherwise you are ensuring that the Cards get great field position with plenty of time left. Of course we punted and it still worked out okay but I wouldn’t have called the plays that way, it’s much too conservative.
You don’t have to agree with my reasoning, but you can’t say it’s wrong just because we won. Did that play give us a better or worse chance of winning than the alternative (a pass play)? If it gave us a smaller chance then it was the wrong call.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 13, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
There are a couple of factors that go into the decision:
How well is the defense playing? If they’re playing well, running is better.
How well is the running game working? Obviously, that doesn’t argue for three runs here.
How much confidence do you have in your QB to avoid a turnover? Passing is higher-risk.
It’s always really tempting to want to see a play-action there – but I think a draw is a reasonable call: against a high-powered offense, they might be thinking you’re afraid to give them the ball back, so they play pass, you call a draw and get the advantages of a pass play without the risk of stopping the clock.
It didn’t work that way, of course. And I absolutely agree with you that you can’t judge the intelligence of a play call by the result of the game. It’s not clear to me that the run was the wrong call – I mean, imagine the rest of the game plays out the same way it does, but Zona has another 40 seconds on the clock (which is what happens if we throw an INC there). All of a sudden they’ve got 2-3 more players on that last drive to grab 10-15 yard chunks, and those finals plays are a lot less desperate.
True
But if we had completed the pass there, the Cards odds of winning would have dropped by quite a bit. Even if w don’t complete it and there were 40 more secods, we’d probably call the last drive differently because there’d be more time on the clck (so we wouldn’t have to be so conservative).
There’s certainly a chance it backfires (Hill could have thrown an INT), but I think the trade off (with our lack of running success we nearly ensured we’d have to punt right there) makes calling a pass worth it.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 14, 2009 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions
The play was to run and handing off resulted in the same results.
If the LG executed a half of block it would have been a positive gain!!!
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Who keeps the stats?
Unless I am blind, I clearly saw Sopoaga make three unassisted tackles and bat a pass away. He was awesome — the best since he has been here. It pays to be patient with defensive linemen.
Kezarvet
He had a good game.
If he keeps this up, I’ll have to revise my opinion of him. He was a beast today.
These are games our team has to win
If the opponent just doesn’t want to win the game, like Zona today, the 49ers have to capitalize, liek they did today.
Maybe not an impressive win, but the defense certainly didn’t break when the team needed them the most. Justin Smith caused the final two drives of Arizona to end by pressuring the QB, and boy did that feel great to see the D step up.
It’s officially official – Patrick Willis is a freakin’ monster, but we’ve got players backing him up now. YEAH!
by Andrew Davidson on Sep 13, 2009 5:26 PM PDT reply actions
That play was craaaaaaazy.
All those extra a’s indicate extra craziness.
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hey anybody know?
what the disconcerting signal call was?
or the unsportsmanlike call was (i think in the 2nd quarter)?
I couldn’t hear because of the bar noise… c
I think our defense came up big..I am most upset by the missed assignment (maybe by shaun hill himself) that allowed arizona the ball back after the blind hit and fumble..
anyways we could have been up 16-3 at half instead of 13-6…that was poor execution to say the least and we have to capitalize on those opportunities when we have a team on the ropes..
It was Scott McKillop yelling "Hut!"
Which is unsportsman-like conduct. Rookie dumb stuff. Hope he learned something from it.
i thought it was Smith as well
because he more then made up for it at the end of the game
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
That penalty...
should never have been called. Wasn’t it on a field goal? they don’t do verbal counts on field goals, so it shouldn’t matter.
Yeah that was crazy
It was the refs first game though, at least as head ref. Not really an excuse, but being that they called way more penalties on the Cards, I will let it slide.
I think we earned the win
Everyone knows it wasn’t pretty, but I felt like we were the better team on the day, and deserved to win. That’s what I really wanted. Not like a couple seasons ago where we started 2-0, but felt…lucky to be there. I feel good about going 1-0 against the NFC champs (yeah, the Cards but still).
Now I feel better about the ticket purchase for next week’s game ;)
I agree...
The niners made plays when they had to. Hopefully Gore gets better blocking next week.
by ThermoElectro on Sep 13, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
You said it right.
But I think the defense was pretty. Just the offense wasn’t pretty. But going into the season 1-0 on the road against the NFC Champs is a big deal and a solid win. Get the offense going and we have something to be happy about going forward.
Manny was a very pleasant surprise today. Stats sheet didn’t do justice to how Manny played today. FTH
by TimLaser and MattyC on Sep 13, 2009 5:47 PM PDT reply actions
We still need to replace him
I’m pulling for a Merriman Haralson combo this season or next.
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If Manny keeps playing this well ...
Then pash-rushing OLB is going to drop pretty far on our list of priorities, from (probably) first to after:
1) RT
2) WR to replace Bruce
3) QB of the future if it isn’t Nate.
Anybody else think Jason Hill’s time on the team now has a pretty short fuse on it? Jones it out, Crabtree didn’t sign, and Hill wasn’t even active.
I withholding judgingment on our safety situation ...
but you’re right … it might be up above OLB if Manny keeps playing this well.
But this team is still relying a lot on Bruce. Crabtree was the long-term replacement at that position. Now?
In order of need
1. RT
2. LG
3.Safety / CB
3. Dom Pass Rusher – I love what we have but we need some more
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Also
I really like Nate Davis but we will need another for the future to back him up/
Games like this drive me crazy as Hill does not have power in his throws and is lucky to get them to the receiver. So many of his passes to day were just off.
Hopefully Davis will be able to take over in 2010
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Backup QB of the future is a pretty low priority ...
Certainly there’s no reason Hill can’t stick around as a backup for another five years.
Of course, much as we all like Nate, it’s really hard to know how much he’s really capable of just yet.
Yeah
I’d focus on just getting a solid QB first.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 13, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually I want an "NFL ready" QB to come as the future..
and then have Nate be a solid backup. I just don’t forsee him being the long term answer, but I am always willing to eat my own words for my team. We need our own Sanchez to come in while our team is looking half way solid and grow with the team.
WR is a bigger concern that Guard ...
I actually think Bass is pretty good, and Wragge provides excellent depth. Whereas once Bruce goes, we’ve got a gaping whole at one of our wideout spots.
I am assuming that Crabtree signs... if not.. we still have a pretty good core of receivers.
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if anything should make Crabtree regret not being on the team, it should be this game
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I've officially given up hope of him signing ...
… although I think it’s amazingly stupid of him. (He’s probably looking at second-round money next year).
Although obviously, if he does sign, that drops WR off the list of top needs.
Weird
is what I meant Crabtree to be. He said he wanted to play football and then decided not to, even though the Niners had been rated with middling talent, and thus not a bottom feeder.
CRABTREE
NO matter what he does now he is a outcast to are main fanbase…..trade his rights and get 2 first round picks next year if we can =)
trade
Apparently we can trade him after March 1.
by David Fucillo on Sep 13, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Should trade him for a 1st round pick back next year. 3 1st round picks sounds good to me. Would be a salary cap nightmare but there is potentially no cap next year right?
While that would be great, I’d love to see him get screwed over by re-entering the draft next year if he doesn’t sign with the niners.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
If Crabtree
Doesn’t want to be a 49er then screw him. We don’t need his type on this team. The 49ers players have bought into the Singletary style of playing 100 percent 101 percent of the time. The tenacity, passion and hustle that our team showed today, on both sides of the ball was amazing. I wonder what 49er players would think if Crabtree came in next week after sitting out all of training camp, the toughest camp in the league? Would the players support him? Or turn their back on him?
I like the unit we have right now and i for one don’t want some jock tucked nancy boy out there with this team of MEN. Look at Justin Smith, Vernon Davis, Ray Mcdonald and the rest of the 49ers and how they played today in terms of passion. Do they want Crabtree? I don’t think so. Trade him in March for a couple draft picks and be done with this BS of a man.
by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 14, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmmmm Hmmmmmm
Safety
RT
LG
QB
ILB
CB
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I'd say my complete list would be:
1) QB
2) RT
3) WR
4) OG
5) OLB
5) S
6) NT
This is assuming Crabs doesn’t sign, otherwise WR would move down/off the list. If Manny plays well the same goes for OLB.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 13, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Curious, do you have safety listed to replace Lewis or Goldson?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Hm
Either really. Lewis is solid but Ideally you’d want a better enforcer at SS. Goldson is still mostly an unknown but I’m assuming he’s not going to be a great option until he proves otherwise. Hopefully Goldson, Smith, or Taylor can reallly show us something at some point this seaon.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 14, 2009 2:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Reggie Smith?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 14, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Brandon Jones
Hurry back please, I can imagine you on that deep ball that Bruce caught that would have been six, maybe. We coud then see Gore against 7 and even 6 man boxes
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Bruce
he had to slow a little to get that one…that was HIll’s bad he didn’t lead him just enough…the DB’s were able to catch up bc of that….
I like the short pass game anyway…. it wears opossing D’s down…
The long ball is good every once in a while
Hill did fumble, as I recall,
but the lack of interceptions and running back fumbles is my point. I remember bad days …
absence of interceptions wasn't for lack of trying...
Hill threw some ugly passes into tight coverage.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
This game left me in a pool of sweat. I had to shower after it was over. Very nerve wracking, but I will take the win.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
Cards Penalties
That’s the scouting report on them. If you force them to put together long drives their offensive line will get overpowered and rack up the penalties. That is how you stop the offense, and the 49ers played them almost perfectly.
As for our offense, it’s the 1st week. They are going to need to adjust their blocking schemes and playbook for the constant run blitz up the middle. We got this guy named Kory Sheets somewhere buried on the roster than can win a foot race to the outside if that’s how they want to play.
Something else I was thinking about is that Snyder didn't play but one game in the preseason as I remember.
Neither did Baas. So the OL needs some time to learn to play together.
I still think RT and LG are two priorities in the next draft.
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Ok, Just because you asked so nice. I will give the OL another game :-D
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Davis looked good out there.
A couple that he didn’t catch, on the reviews, it was just great coverage. I think he will only get better this season and also, Hill will be more comfortable throwing to Davis.
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I only got to watch the last seven minutes or so (got the boring NYG-WAS game in Nebraska instead). I was very impressed by Hill’s ability to find open receivers and by the defense in general, but especially the pass-rush. Good win and a win that gives the coaches plenty to work on in practice this week.
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It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
My thoughts
Who was surprised about how well our defense played? I was scared in the preseason because we looked terrible, no pass rush and no pass defense but we were pretty solid today. Patrick Willis is a maniac. Need more be said about P Willy?
Wow our offense was terrible! Except for one great drive we were terrible. Something needs to happen with our line. terrible on pass and run block. That is not good. But I do have to credit the shardinals d line. I thought Shaun Hill was about to be benched.
I am going to die from a heart attack because of the 49ers because it was pounding! I hate how the analysts say the Cardinals lost the game when our defense won the game. But it is cool, I will be below the radar.
Quote of the year "I want to wear a Dwight Clark jersey to the new cowboy stadium."
I wasn’t worried about our defense in the preseason, they were playing a bend but dont break style the whole time. They weren’t showing anything and I knew that wasn’t how they would play come game time. They have to much talent to play like that.
I do agree that our offense was terrible. They were pissing me off and like you I was on the verge of a heart attack, I can’t take to many more games like these.
whew
great stuff but that was rough
My biggest gripe is that, for most of the game, it seemed like we were either just running straight up the middle or going for a deep pass. The running game is going to desperatly need more variety than that, and I don’t mind letting Shaun Hill look deep occasionally, but please have a short pass dump off available for him during those plays.
Other thoughts -
Meanwhile, the O-Line is still the thing I worry most about.
While Hill folded horribly in the 3rd quarter, he stood up under pressure in the 4th, completing incredibly important passes for 3rd down after 3rd down.
Could we try putting Gore AND Coffee on the field together during the same play? That way the defense, even if they know it’s going to be a run, have more than one guy to keep their eyes on.
Our defense is going to be better than all the experts have predicted this year, BUT they are not going to be better when they are forced to play 14 minutes in one quarter.
We won – but I know they can play better than this.
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I agree...
on your views of Justin Smith. He plays everydown as if it’s the Super Bowl. He’s one of the best free agent signings of this decade for the 49ers.
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lovin' both Justin Smith and Vernon Davis today
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Clements is another free agent
Redemption after he poor pre-season play? I like this secondary unit.
no analysis?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
There were not a lot of throws his direction. Part of it was the blanket coverage defense the 49ers ran. He didn’t make any big plays nor did he give any up. The one pass I remember caught against him was contested pass close the 1st down line were the WR took the ball away at the last second.
He was lined up against Fitz at times and the broadcasters were saying he was doing a job.
I Did
I paid attention to the entire secondary and they looked great. But it did help that we got a great pass rush pretty much all game long. Clements, Spencer, Bly and Goldsen look awesome.
I believe that it is possible Spencer can be our shutdown corner this season, he was that today.
by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 13, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
can you give a complete play by play analysis?
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by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
On Spencer (not the entire secondary)?
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by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, some people on here have done that before.
Some dude analyzed every sack from the 2008 season a while back ago
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by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
It's hard to do that
Because the unit as a whole played so well. But i will attempt to four you. The scheme allowed Spencer to mix it up a little bit. I saw him come on a corner blitz at least twice (Clements also), But the defensive shifts allowed Spencer to fool the Arizona receiving corp and offense in general. I replayed most of Arizona’s offensive snaps after the game in order to judge weather it was the scheme or Spencer that allowed him to have a lot of success today. The conclusion i came to is that it was both. Spencer lined up against Arizona’s top 3 receivers today, not just one. I saw him lined up against Morey multiple times as did Clements. Although Spencer played Fitz most of the game the shifts in the secondary for the 49ers mixed it up a lot. He took a book from Clements game and played a lot more bump and run coverage which you can afford to do when your front 7 is in the opponents backfield most of the game, this disrupts the timing patterns that Arizona relies on so much. He wasn’t just a ball hawk in coverage, he was around the ball and had great coverage pretty much all game. What he showed me was the ability to be a true shutdown corner for the 49ers this season. As Singletary said before “He didn’t just look like his former self, he looked better” I don’t know if it was preparing all off-season for competition, even in terms of making the roster that made Spencer concentrate so much more then he had before. But if today is any indication you may be looking at this guy getting some Pro Bowl play. The 49ers knew exactly what they were doing when naming him the starting corner. And just think about it for a second. It get’s easier from now on. Once you can shutdown the like of Bolden, even though he wasn’t 100 percent, and the ultra talented Fitzgerald you can shut down just about anyone.
by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 13, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
How do you think we'll do against T.J.H.?
He’s a different type of WR….
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by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the analysis
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by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
TJ
Is more of the possession type right? At least that is what i get from him. Correct me if i am wrong.
Well then it will make Spencer’s job a little easier even. This is all contingent on the 49ers providing the same type of pass rush against the injured Seattle offensive line. If the front 7 does anywhere near what they did today Spencer and Clements will have field days against the Seahawks receiviers. Bump and run works better on possession receivers because they don’t have the break away ability that Fitz and Bolden have. By bumping and running a receiver on a 8-15 yard out route you don’t only disrupt the timing you put yourself in position to make more plays on the ball (Bat downs and interceptions) I don’t know if it’s possible for Spencer to play better then he did today but i do expect him to shut TJ down next week.
Let me look at TJ’s stats against the god awful Rams. Will post them in a second.
by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 13, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
TJ had 6 receptions for 48 yards lined up against Rod Bartell i think. But i am not sure of that, he is listed as the Rams #1 corner and well TJ is the hawks #1 WR so that figures to be the case. 48 yards against the Rams putrid secondary? More of a concern would be Clements going up against Burleson, or course if that is the case. The one i would watch out for is Carleson though, he is a very very good TE. But just regarding Spencer i would have to say he will have the same if not more success against the Seahawks next week.
by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 14, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Carlson
I would expect him to have a Tim Hightower type day against us.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 14, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
DEFENSE WINS SUPER BOWLS!
it might not be are “typical” Bowl winning style…..but hell why not! Look we looked good….i can care less if we have nedney get all are points other then turnovers into touchdowns! fact is we beat the defending NFC champs and lots of the penalties where mistakes any team could make….most of them.
I like Mike Tomlin's stance
A reporter called his team the AFC champs and he said that he didn’t consider his team any better than all of the other teams.
He said it was a new year and that what happened last year didn’t matter anymore.
The Cardinals are just another team…they aren’t the NFC champs anymore
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
just maybe?
I was real happy with our D line today. Is it possible that the Card D Line was playing pretty darn good, too? Dansby, Campbell and Okefor were all creating havoc at different times. That tends to make our O line look weaker than we are. Dallas did the same thing to us vis-avis the run game, after everybody was all pumped about it after the Raider game…….. We should do better against the Hawks, about the same vs. the Vikings and look pretty good vs. the lambs……
A win is a win but Where the Heck with frtigging running game?????
I do understand that a W is a W and in anybody’s league that is what ultimately counts.. But Damn Where the hell was th offensive line and the frigging running we heard so much about?. I am thankful for the defense as a whole ( good pressure) plus takeaways, but where the hell was the running game??? not quite the "smash mouth running attack "that we we were supposed to have. Hill had a not so stealer game as a whole but came through on that last drive and I guess that is what is important. So Now we are 1-0 overall and 1-0 in the Div. So we get ready for Seattle. this is one game at a time so get ready for a heat rentching, gutt grabbing season NN..
But I love a win and so for that I say GOOOOO Niiiiinnnnerrrsss!!!!!
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Hey Drew K..
I AM a true NINER fan and for me this is a start… Damn we have a long way to go to make the running game work.. And for the Coffee guys out there,, there may have been some value in putting him there as a change of pace (different running style) but there were very running outside but there wasn’t much room outside either. This isn’t a Gore issue, it is an O line issue we simply didn’t get it done up front to make even the smallest hole for Gore to make a way.. The fact is that the the Card DC was a protegee of Reye so he was in Raye’s head and knew exactly how to defense the Niners.. So a heads up to the the Niners,, have a valid defense to befuddle to opposition DC..
by WC-Ninerhead on Sep 13, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a Raye issue
Did you notice that when they went outside they got a TD?
He’s gotta work on his gameplanning, play calling, and half time adjustments.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed...Raye needs to open up a bit and make the adjusments..
In the 4th Q when were backed up on the 2, why the hell would we try two running plays back to back and lose a yard???? Didn’t make sense…
by WC-Ninerhead on Sep 14, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
jay cutler sux lol
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
I'm suspicious
At one point he looked all badass, then he looked like crap again.
WTF?
What’s wrong with him?
And Rodgers screwed me over in fantasy football….oh well
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
I haven’t had a chance to be on my laptop since the 49ers huge victory. A win against a divisional opponent on the road that so happened to almost win the Super Bowl last season. It doesn’t get much better then that. But the 49ers must remain grounded because they have a lot to work on and a lot to gain from the win. First off Adam Snyder better get his game together or else Pashos will be starting sooner rather then later. Secondly, the running game was absolutely non existent the entire game. But you can look at the ladder two ways. 1) We must be worried because that’s 60 percent of our offense, at least according to Raye. 2) Good teams find a way to win when their strength doesn’t show in a certain game. It remains to be seen which one it is.
Game balls: 1) Patrick Willis: What an absolute beast, just wow!!!!!!
2) Nate Clements: All who worried need not anymore. Great game
3) Vernon Davis: Game up huge when it counted. Acted like a Captain
4) Parys Harralson: Dominating performance in every way
5) The entire pass rush: Need we not worry anymore?
It is just one game and will mean absolutely nothing if we fall on our face next week against Seattle, a game we will be favored.
by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 13, 2009 9:35 PM PDT reply actions
1) Patrick Willis: What an absolute beast, just wow!!!!!!
Is Frog finally going to accept that P. Willis is a playmaker?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
next week he will have no choice
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
when is crabtree getting signed? he would be deadly in this offense and i thought they pretty much have the layout to what the draft picks get signed at
he would be a solid and reliable #1 guy
Wow someone is still wandering when he will sign?
I figured everyone had given up on him or just don’t want him anymore. I’m on the don’t want him anymore list. Plus with a QB that can’t get rid of the ball or throw it very hard, I’m not sure Crabtree would be a great addition anyway.
So where is all the Nate Clements and Secondary haters today???
Everyone has been dissing him all preseason and now nothing. I told you there was nothing to worry about there. Nate is the man and our defense is sick. The one area that deserved criticizing was the d-line, and today they really showed up. I think that caught everyone by surprise, especially considering they only came with 4 most of the game. Haralson is really turning out to be a beast.
I have been saying
that Clements was working on stuff during the preseason that’s why he made bad plays. FOX was saying he looked like he did in Buffalo and that will be huge for us. Secondly, i have ben defending the secondary all preseason long saying that they were going to be solid if not better in 2009. Clements, Spencer, Bly and Goldsen looked amazing today. Lewis made some very good plays in the offensive backfield on Hightower
by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 13, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
That Wasn't His Fault
Hill needs to look at his 2nd and 3rd options more and not stair down the number 1 option as much if at all even. Davis was open a lot up the middle and Hill didn’t see him. Davis took over on that huge TD drive and played the part of captain, expect big things from him this season. Pro-Bowl possibilities must i predict?
by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 13, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Great, exciting win
It was really sloppy, but whatever. That win was really important, and next week will be too.
The O-line was about as bad at run blocking as it possibly could be, but most of the rest of the team played well. Hill made some poor throws but for the most part was pretty good. I thought the pas rush was great, even though the Cards line couldn’t get their act together.
My only other beef was the playcalling. Too many runs on early downs and not enough creativity with them. Lots of situations just screamed for a screen pass but I don’t remember any being called. On top of that, there were two particular instances where I though the playcalling was poor.
The first was just inside two minutes to go in the first half, right after we had intercepted Warner for the second time. I would have run the ball there to try to run out the clock and prevent the Cards from getting another possession. At the most I would have tried quick passes to prevent a sack, since we were on the edge of field goal range. Of course what actually happened was Hill took a deep dropback and got sacked. Then the very next play there was another deep dropback and HIll fumbled and the Cards ended up getting a FG, swinging the score from a possible 16-3 to 13-6.
The other time was near the end of the game when we were pinned inside the 5 with about 4-5 minutes left. There was too much time to just run the ball and accept punting that deep in your own territory. But we ran three straight runs, all of which got stuffed. I think you have to at least try to pass there, otherwise you are ensuring that the Cards get great field position with plenty of time left. Of course we punted and it still worked out okay but I wouldn’t have called the plays that way, it’s much too conservative.
Lastly, I don’t expect the Niners defense to be great, but if they end up 31st in DVOA (as FO predicted) I will eat my hat. Even accounting for potential injuries, I just don’t see the D ending up nearly that bad.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 13, 2009 10:15 PM PDT reply actions
I Agree
They needed to pass on that 3rd down play. I understand getting the ball outside the shadows of your 1 but on 3rd down they should have at least done a play action or screen. That is where Davis can come up big for us if given a chance.
I am glad that no one questioned the 3 consecutive rushing plays in the final 2 minutes. Notre Dame and Charlie Weiss absolutely blew their game by passing twice and leaving Michigan with two timeouts. Singletary knows what he is doing.
I am with you on the Hill fumble as well. We could have taken a stranglehold on that game by either scoring a FG or TD (16-3 or 20-3) instead Hill didn’t do his job, neither did the offensive line. Also the 6 consecutive running plays to begin the 2nd half was way too conservative. At some point we have to give Hill a chance and they did that on the 15 play GW TD drive.
by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 13, 2009 10:38 PM PDT reply actions
I Know Right?
Maybe we should do a pact to agree on something every Sunday LOL. Even if it’s that the sun is going to go down tonight. Seemed to work for our Niners today
by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 13, 2009 11:35 PM PDT reply actions
a win is a win
It wasn’t pretty but it was a W,
Next week against the Sea Chickens will be the REAL test
Yes
The Seahawks will be a real test. But c’mon we went into the defending NFC Champions home turf and we hit our division rivals in the godamn face. I know we only had 3 sacks but we hit Warner 8 times, rushed him another 16 times and had 6 more tackles for losses. Our front seven stood the hell up and said no to this soft D anymore. NO NO NO NO!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 14, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Every week is a real test when you haven't had a winning record in 6 seasons
Seattle is a huge division game and early test for division superiority. But then MInnesota will another new test.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Your Right
Every single game is going to be a test. Next week is equally if not more important. Going 2-0 against our top two challengers in the NFC West would put us in a position most NFL teams would dream of. But i didn’t like they way he discounted this win by saying “Next week will be the BIG test” Because today was also a huge test.
our man Singletary said it right “We have been in this position before only to be at home in January” The 49ers know what they have to do and that’s to go into next weeks game as the favorites (Which we are 1.5) and hit the Seahawks in the face and defend out home turf. This team isn’t soft like it has been and they will do everything possibly to get it done against Seattle
by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 14, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Is it bad that
I’ve been sitting here staring a blank Golden Nuggets thing for like.. two hours now? I’m drawing a complete blank.. Plus I can’t stop watching the Aaron Rodgers shoryuken. Plus I’m mourning the loss of my pizza/atomic wings..
Here's a start
There should be plenty of links all over
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually..
Mr. T frequently sports a “Ninjames” mohawk. Much like myself. It’s understandable how you can be confused though.
by James Brady on Sep 14, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
So you didn't really have a blank screen..
You LIE!!(d)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 14, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Looking at the roster of commentors...
LOL
i wish we were good
Only one comment posted though.
Well, we're waiting....
The Game
First of all, I was on edge this whole game. The first game of the season is always tough for me cause I don’t really know what to expect.
Defense is solid. Our secondary is better than last year imo. We can still cover and prevent the big plays (we were one of the best teams at that last year) but now we can force more turnovers.
Offense, mixed bag. The running game didn’t get the yards, but it wore AZ’s defense down and made them commit enough to make the pass plays work. I think Raye didn’t throw in a lot of the wrinkles because we played with the lead most of the game. In fact, you notice that as soon as we got down we put together that 15-play drive? Fact of the matter is this, we were given 6 points due to the turnovers. Then we got a touchdown off a great pass. Then we were trying to protect the lead, and when we got down again we tried to protect the lead and did so successfully. Raye trusts our D enough to stick to the game plan. And the game plan is something I think will be more successful as the season goes on.
The offensive line is a bit of a concern. They have to open some holes for Gore. Even just one or two 8 yard runs would’ve made a huge difference. Run blocking also is streaky, as soon as you start breaking a few decent runs, they come more often. AZ game planned very well against our priority attack.
Hill continues to be creative, though he needs to check his other reads. If the O-line can provide a little more time, Hill will get more comfortable and check his other reads. And Davis is a dependable receiver as well as Gore (He always is). Bruce and Morgan are just solid enough to provide what we need.
Special teams concerned me. Rossum seems to have lost his game. We may see Spurlock getting the return duty in the near future. Thank god we have Nedney and Lee, those guys do more for us than we could even imagine.
Loved Singletary’s coaching. He motivated the defense when they were getting down. He made a great challenge on a botched call. Didn’t see any time management issues that really bugged me. Overall a solid job. I like the attitude of this TEAM. The displince is pretty damn good as well. And the truth is that this is a TEAM. They trust each other and they pick up the slack for each other. I love that.
One last thing. Turnover ratio has been the difference between 2 or 3 wins the past few years. If we force turnovers and commit very few ourselves, it will make up for our other deficiencies. If two teams are pretty evenly matched, turnovers and penalties are the difference, and thats what we saw today.
Overall, I’m stoked. Really want to see how they react at home against the Hawks. Should be a classic.
"We want WINNERS!" - Coach Singletary
Pretty much agree...
The defense has really improved this season and it was nice seeing a pass rush. The only thing I want to see from our defense is more consistency throughout the game and the season.
As for piling on the offensive line, I will admit they had problems today, but I put a majority of that blame on Raye’s playcalling. Besides the constant Dive/Smash runs between the gaurds, I found the last series before the half a little troubling. It just seemed that when we were running it decently, we went with the pass which led to 2 sacks that pushed us out of FG range. Anytime there were 2 backs in the backfield, Arizona put 8 in the box and brought the house, stuffing any chance of a run up the gut.
The cadence seemed to be very basic, walk up to the line, signal the motion, then hike it, leading to several Arizona lineman to jump the gaps.
Next week, I would love to see more screen passes in early down situations and maybe get the playaction game going by dumping the ball into the flat. Spread the defense out so they aren’t stacking the box looking only for the dive plays. Most importantly, we need more off-tackle and toss plays. We can still play “smash-mouth” with off-tackle runs and hb tosses, see Adrian Peterson.
I won’t put all the blame on the OL, but they were greatly exposed on counters and pulls. The mistakes will need to be cleaned up and I’m pretty confident that those mistakes will get pointed out in the video sessions.
The game was pretty rough to watch and the offense will really need to work on reducing the number of 3-and-out drives. The defense is good, but its not good enough to keep the offense in the game for the entire season. The offense will not always get the gifts Arizona gave them via penalties.
Recap
Pleased with….
Haralson- what a stud. He did so much more than his stat line indicated. This guy has a really bright futue. The best is yet to come. There was one pass to the flatts where he was jogging and just didnt seem to care about making the tackle at all.
Spencer- I am not a fan of this guy. Thought he would give up the deep ball for sure but he played well and I admit when i’m wrong.
Not Pleased With…..
Willis- Had a few more over pursuits than i would like. He truly is a one man wrecking crew. Him and a DB (dont remember who) had the running back sealed off on a pass to the flatts and Willis almost over shot the tackle because he didnt use the DB as leverage. Now willis is a stud and had a great game but i hold him to higher standards and thats why he made this list
Baas- He got blown up on a couple plays. I cant see us bringing him back if he plays like this again
There was one pass to the flatts where he was jogging and just didnt seem to care about making the tackle at all.
He wasn’t jogging, Tim Hightower is just MUCH faster than him.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 14, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he and his mates were tired
That was during the 3rd quarter when our offense had zero first downs.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
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