A letter to Michael Crabtree
by urnext on Sep 16, 2009 4:04 PM PDT
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Dear Mr Crabtree,
I know you've been receiving a lot of pressure to sign recently, but I would urge you to hold out. I found myself in a similar situation when I graduated from college. I applied to several companies in my chosen field and finally got a job offer by a company that was good, but not at the top. I told them that even though they were the ones hiring me, I should get paid the same as if one of the top companies hired me, since i was good enough to work for them. They looked at me like I was stupid, so I walked out. After several months I applied to several companies again. Once again all the top companies didn't offer me a job, but one of the lower ones did. They actually offered me less then the first company to hire me did. Well it's been several years now and I'm still holding out. But I know they'll give in eventually. After all, how can they survive with out me? So I know how you feel.
Besides, do the 49ers even know the cost of being a proffesional athlete today? First, there's the cost of your agent. Then, there's the cost of your entourage. How can the 49ers expect you to go anywhere without a group of people agreeing with everything you say? Plus, if you do find yourself in a criminal situation, you need someone to take the fall for you. Then there's the cost of your new South Bay home and Escalade. And I'm sure you don't even want to get started with the price of gold in today's market. It's going to cost you a furtune to pay for all the jewelry necessary to look good in your post game interviews. So after you pay all your costs, what are you left with? A few million? That's not going to be nearly enough to start up your own clothing line.
So I urge you, Mr Crabtree, to hold out. Hold out for all of us who want to get paid what we think we're worth, and not what our companies think we're worth. Hold out for all those grossly underpaid athletes who have to get by on only a few million a year. But most importantly, hold out for yourself. Even if it means you never play a snap in the NFL, hold out for fair market value. And we all know fair market value is what your mom says you're worth.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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No kidding...the Niners' ownership is totally mistreating Mr. Crabtree
The NFL players ought to form a union or something. Oh, don’t — wait…don’t they have one already?
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
In all seriousness, this begs the question
Why the players union hasn’t taken up Crabtree’s cause. Truth of the matter is, Crabtree is rocking the boat way too much league wide, especially with the collective bargaining discussions going on. The players union has enough to worry about w/o Crabtree further messing w/ the way rookies are getting (over)paid right out of college.
Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!
It doesn’t bother me. The “correct” use of the idiom is based on an archaic use of the word “beg.” Sure, the meaning is valid, but it’s not really useful in a modern context.
On the other hand, the “incorrect” use of the idiom makes perfect sense. It’s a little metaphorical to say that a statement is begging you to ask a question (in the more widely understood “on-your-knees and begging” sense of the word), but personification isn’t exactly an uncommon idiomatic trait.
Language is fluid, and I don’t really mind when archaic usage falls by the wayside in favor of something more useful to a modern context.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 21, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm in 100% agreement
…in general. You make very solid points that I have myself made at various times. But in this case, I must agree with this from the website:
While descriptivists and other such laissez-faire linguists are content to allow the misconception to fall into the vernacular, it cannot be denied that logic and philosophy stand to lose an important conceptual label should the meaning of BTQ become diluted to the point that we must constantly distinguish between the traditional usage and the erroneous “modern” usage. This is why we fight.
what you do now, round eye?
this entire exchange begs the question...
If the majority of the english speaking world uses a phrase one way, and a small segment uses it another, how is the majority use considered “erroneous?” I don’t think I agree with the concept of ownership of a phrase due to some traditional use. Basically, get the F over yourself.
"If you move, I'll knock the hell out of you. I'm going to throw the ball as hard as I can, right at you. The only way you won't get hit is if you catch it. Understand?" my dad, teaching me to catch a baseball.
Union
Actually I think I read somewhere, that since he has never had a signed NFL contract he can’t be repersented by the Union, because he has never be employed by the NFL.
You kind of killed it with the criminal thing
But overall it was funny
Nice
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
entourage=good, ask Ray Lewis & Plex
Lewis:
would the Ravens have won the Super Bowl if Ray Lewis was in jail/on trial and hadn’t had his friends take the fall (even though they were later acquitted)?
would the Ravens have won if opposing players played without the fear that Ray Lewis could kill & get away with it?
no & no
Burress (& i’m sorry you got 2 years buddy, i think ordering NYC & North Jersey citizens to point & laugh at you for shooting yourself for the entire season would have been a more appropriate punishment and its really unfair that one man tortured puppies & killed man’s best friend while attempting organized crime received an almost similar 1mo shorter! penalty, sigh):
will the Giants lose some cohesiveness & chemistry knowing that one of their best players didn’t have the kind of friends who’d be incarcerated for them? afterall if a star could have a crummy entourage, why wouldn’t they question every friend of every teammate. trust is vital in a team game.
will the giants be able to win every week facing opposing teams possessing a higher level of confidence knowing that they’ve lost their best receiver, along w/ their longtime reliable one, and can focus on messing w/ the little brother?
no & no
Crabtree’s entourage may be more Plex than Lewis given the fact that they’re allowing him to be a b!tc# & are fools enough to think they’ll have a better life to live off of if he holds out. i must disclaim that i don’t like crabtree, i don’t like any player 9 teams pass on b/c of personality problems, and welcome the freshair Coach brought in & don’t want it smogged by Crabtree, so maybe i’m biased about Crabtree & his entourage.
But an entourage is still needed and perform their roles well to ensure modern players are able to continue to entertain us.
MJP - Go Gore Go!!!
its by far the benefit we sadly see in the media most often. ideally the “entourage” ensures player happiness, provides daily & life motivation, helps out in other areas of life during the season, and generally contributes in a positive manner. however if you gotta whittle it down to a cost/benefit analysis, the highest return on investment is taking the heat for a player’s indiscretion, thus ensuring a multi-million dollar investment in the individual & the team as a whole.
not a morally awesome practice to encourage, but certainly an effective method of ensuring the highest level of entertainment and one appropriate to our societal expectations.
MJP - Go Gore Go!!!
I started reading this and thought, “Dang this guy’s a moron.” In other words, you did a very good job, because I laughed even more when I got where you were going with this.
Nicely done!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
yes please hold out
to end all this once and for all Niners need to give Josh Morgan DHB money. He is and will more productive than both DHB and “2010 2nd round draft pick aka Mr Crabtree”
I heard next years draft is one of the deepest...
does anyone have any mock drafts on where m.c. would go in that scenario..? I’m hoping late first round or second round…
ESPN had a segment about this today
I noticed it while grabbing my sandwich for lunch but unfortunately I couldn’t hear what Kiper and McShay were saying because the crappy 80’s playing in the back ground was too loud. Maybe somebody else it or will see it in one of the 80 replays ESPN will run today and recap it.
I’ve heard talk that he could be the 4th WR taken in next years draft which would push him to at least the end of the 1st round. It would be awesome, in a proving a point kind of way, if the Niners drafted him again and told him that they wouldn’t offer him anything except the same % underslot that he wishes to get paid overslot. It would totally screw up his career, which I wouldn’t generally be a proponent for (well maybe I would, I do have jerk tendencies) but I do make exceptions for morons.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Sep 17, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
We cant
Draft him again people stop saying this. To answer ur question kiper said crabtree would still go top 10 (but look at his hair who’s gonna believe him) and mcshay saying no way he’s going in the last first in the draft if he were to sit out which I hope crabtree is not stupid enough to do. I predict he signs after the seahawks game when he goes and watches the Texas tech game and starts getting an itch to play.
by 49ersAllTheWay on Sep 17, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
No way he is a top 10 pick next year
what team would be crazy enough to draft him in the top ten after taking a year off from the game AND knowing that he is a disaster to negotiate with. On top of all this, the 9ers own his rights until draft day so he won’t be able to meet or workout with other clubs before the draft. Translation, he is a late 1st round pick next year with guarenteed money of 4-5 million.
by BeijingKCfan on Sep 18, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
If he goes back in
I dont even think he’ll be in the 1st… If the Niners do well, (since we have {2} 1st rounders), I think we should grab him 20 something again, and force him to play for 20 something pay. He won’t sit 2 years, and if he does, he’ll never play in the NFL… how funny would that be?
muhaha....
I’m voting Jed York the owner/president of the year if crabbytree falls to end of first round and we draft him again. I’d love to see that meeting:
Jed: “now michael, you have been drafted TWENTY-SEVENTH…Let me show you the number 2 7…No, no not second or seventh…TWenty SEventh! O.k. Got that?
That means we can offer you a four year, 4.1 million guaranteed contract”
Michael (flustered) “But I was drafted TENTH last year. Aren’t I worth that much?!”
Jed: "No worries mike, just sit out and we’ll pick you up next year.. out of the arena league? In the mean time, you might want to do some serious math tutoring to improve your wonderlic scores—it might even boost your draft status..
Michael “You mean I might be drafter higher like because more teams want me?”
Pretty funny
They would be super funny if we could actually draft him again which we can’t
by 49ersAllTheWay on Sep 17, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Just because it's not possible doesn't mean the thought of it isn't funny
I don’t think anybody is really suggesting that the Niners draft Crabtree again if he re-enters the draft but we’re simply acknowledging the humor in the scenario.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Sep 18, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Really funny if it could happen but still funny if...
if he did fall down to 2nd round. And from what we all seen so far he still would want #1 WR money. Just seems like this guys ego or whatever is motivating him to hold out is really just that delusional and if he was selected as 1st wr in this years draft his reason to holdout would then probably be that he shouldnt been the #1 overall Draft pick. And we would all be watching him holdout for #1 money.
Even if by some crazy chance the niners do sign him this year i cant put my support behind him. Becasue u know his only motivation to play is for his next contract and to make his bonuses. Every week its going to be he isn’t getting the ball enuff. We all know by now that when someone says they want the ball in there hands “because they give their team the best chance to win” or “i’m a competitor, and i have the competitive attitude” is all a joke and is a cover up for what they really mean. “Get me the ball so i can get my bonuses” and in his short, umm cant really call it a nfl career yet, but Crabtree’s short whatever, he has shown what he is all about and niners dont need someone like that right now. At least hide the fact that you think 20mil isnt good enuff for you especially during these economic times.
The Meeting With MR. York?
Does anybody know if he has even contacted the Niners yet after Mr. York wanted to have a face to face with him?
Nice letter.
So far, no info on that
Heard he was in Texas for the TT and Texas game. I would like to know the reception he gets at the Stadium. Will he be treated like a hero or Chomp ? It will be interesting to see the reaction ! This will be a real test for all Texans.
by LASVEGASNINER on Sep 18, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Please, stop arguing about this stupid crap
Please, stop arguing about this stupid crap and read this.
who's arguing?
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
who will blink first
I think after today’s game one camp will cave or compromise. The niners need more talent and Crabby need not loose more money. If Seattle blows us out then management has to pony up. But if the niners win, Crabby has to sign for tabled money. Otherwise we have a greedy chump or a cheap chump.
Hilarious...
But…. at the end of the day, Michael Crabtree WILL be drafted again next year even if he’s not a top 10 pick. The 49ers WILL NOT get that draft pick back.
Crabtree looks dumb now, but if the 49ers fail to sign a top 10 draft over a dispute amounting to ~$4-5M then it’s a huge black eye for this organization.
It would amount to yet another 1st round failure for an organization with plenty over the last decade.
But we’re supposed to have faith in them getting two great NFL players in the 1st round in next year’s draft, right? Please. (although please keep losing Panthers… please!)
There are two sides to every story and although I personally wouldn’t have taken Crabtree’s approach, the $5M means a LOT more to Crabtree than the organization. Going into a potential uncapped year, if $4-5M gets in the way of the 49ers and talent then we have some serious problems lying ahead. Let’s not forget that they used money as an excuse to trade out of the 2nd round pick in this year’s draft.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Sep 20, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It's not just $4-5M
Say you give in to Crabtree’s demands, you’re setting yourself up for every future pick to hold out b/c they know eventually you’ll give in.
by David Fucillo on Sep 20, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Poor logic
If your statement were true, then every Cubs 1st rounder since Mark Prior would have received record bonuses. And that’s a sport where players have more leverage going into negotiations.
It is indeed a matter of $4-5M and any other statement by this front office is a pathetic show of pride or ego. I agree that negotiations should be two-sided and the 49ers shouldn’t be forced to concede on all requests, but it’s quite absurd to offer a player a contract and tell him to take it or walk when that player defines your entire draft.
There is a lot of revisionist commentary going on regarding Crabtree on this website and people need to really look at both sides of this. As fans we love to side with the organization but I’m not going to sit here and consider it acceptable for this organization to walk away from a draft without a consensus top 5 talent because they were too stingy or “proud” to enter true negotiations.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Sep 20, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Agree, the things are NEVER one sided. The niner’s ogranization has dropped the ball with this one.
by GeeMunster on Sep 20, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nonsense
Pay him anything, just sign him? 100% baloney. He’s been offered a VERY good deal.
Fooch is 100% right on this. Crab is just one young unproven player. You don’t put the whole organization at a disadvantage for who knows how long for one kid who may or may not pan out. He’s already put a smudge of tarnish on us with this ludicrous situation, and more back biting by even fans like you and youALREADYknow is reason enough to play hard ball with Crab and his obstinate agent.
The future ain't what it used to be. Go Niners!
"one kid who may or may not pan out"
Every transaction has a level of risk, but the draft presents the unique opportunity of evaluating all available talent and CHOOSING the player who matches risk with reward. Signing Marvel Smith was risky, yet that acquisition didn’t seem to bring out this same emotion among 49ers fans.
Let us not forget that the 49ers CHOSE Michael Crabtree, not the other way around. Your comments about a smudge of tarnish, back biting by fans, and playing hard ball are all childish shows of pride and arrogance that benefit NOBODY. Don’t think that other GMs are going to be proud or envious of the 49ers for standing up to Crabtree. They will be happy that one team was foolish enough to sacrifice their player personnel for the benefit of everyone else, but that’s about it.
We’re not talking about “pay him anything”. We’re talking about a gap of $4-5M spread over 5 years and if that is what makes/breaks a contract negotiation with a top 10 pick then it speaks volumes about what the future holds for this organization.
It also brings an interesting question to the forefront of my mind. If you can’t afford the $4-5M over 5 years that is between you and your 1st round pick, then how can you afford to trade out of the 2nd round into next year’s 1st round where another $10M+ will be spent over the next 5 years?
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Sep 20, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good grief buddy ~ he ain't a QB
He’s JUST a WR. You act like he’s some game changer. Well guess what? Been there done that with TO.
I think its ‘childish’ and arrogant to think some kid is bigger than the 49er organization. Get a grip already.
You obviously have a festering gripe with the FO. Get over it. We don’t NEED some kid who thinks he’s the second coming, who isn’t exactly the most cerebral if you’ve ever listened to him speak, and who has shown VERY questionable judgement by aligning with an agent who has put his whole career in jeopardy.
Time to cut bait and keep the focus on the hardworking, tight knit team that we already have and use that CONSIDERABLE amount of cash for FA’s and draftees that think TEAM first and deserve that level of compensation.
The future ain't what it used to be. Go Niners!
I just disagree with your logic.
This team doesn’t need any single player. No player is bigger than the organization.
Two points nobody mentioned. Why you chose to bring them up is a mystery to me, but I’ll indulge you and agree with both of those points.
The problem is that neither point matters. The question is whether a player is worth a salary and roster spot. If Crabtree wasn’t worth the money or roster spot, then he shouldn’t have been drafted. If the 49ers thought he was a bumbling idiot, then he shouldn’t have been drafted. If the organization thought Crabtree wasn’t a potential game changing WR, then he shouldn’t have been drafted.
To sit here and insult Michael Crabtree and then simultaneously pat the organization WHO DRAFTED HIM on the back is absolutely insane. You either think he’s a valuable player who would be an asset to the organization OR you think he was never a good draft pick to begin with. EITHER WAY the organization made a bad decision at some point to get in the situation we’re in today.
The good thing is that there’s still time to salvage an ugly situation and it will take work on both sides, not just Michael Crabtree and his agent, to get this resolved. If this can’t be resolved then everyone involved will have absolutely failed at their jobs.
As for the TO swipe, it’s convenient to forget his role in actually putting the last remnants of a winning product on the field for the 49ers. Hopefully a group of current and future 49ers (possible even Michael Crabtree) can make us all forget the recent struggles and come back to the glory days.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Sep 20, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
"he ain't a QB"
I also don’t see how his position matters here. The part most concerning is that he’s likely to be of zero value to this team in 2009/10 and that would be the case at any position aside from kicker, punter, and long snapper.
The negotiations probably get tougher and tougher as time goes on because you’re basically paying a player who won’t contribute and the price will reflect that. From Crabtree’s agents perspective, they expect the same price as they wanted on draft day…highly improbable at this point of the season.
I don’t personally see this working out well. If I had to guess today then it would be Crabtree back in the 2010 draft taken in the middle of the 1st round by a team who has never shied away from “personalities”.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Sep 20, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Are the 49ers and Crabtree only 4-5 million apart?
My understanding is that Crabtree wants a contract similar to what DHB got, 5 years for 38.25 million. That’s a difference of 18 million. The 49ers are really in a catch 22. If they give in to Crabtree’s demands, then they come across as weak. Future agents will know that if they lean hard enough on the 49ers, they’ll give in to their demands. With 2 first round picks next year, that sets a bad precident. On the other hand, if the 49ers can’t sign Crabtree they run the risk of completely waisting a pick.
As it stands, the 49ers have offered Crabtree 5 years for 20 million. But their are incentives in the contract that could bump it up to 28.5 million which is what the #9 pick, Raji, signed for. The 49ers have said they will not offer more then that, but I think they should reconsider. I think the solution to the problem is to offer Crabtree enough incentives to bump his contract up to 38 million, while keeping the guaranteed money at 16 million. The key is to make the incentives almost unreachable. Give an incentive for reaching 100 receptions in a season for example. Crabtree and Parker can claim they won, while future agents to negotiate with the 49ers will know it’s highly unlikely the 49ers will ever pay that money. And if Crabtree does reach the incentives, then the 49ers will have one of the top WR’s in the NFL and he’ll have earned it.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Sorting out the 49ers-Crabtree stalemate
It was Robert Boland that suggested that the 49ers and Crabtree are actually less than $1 million apart over a 5 year deal:
But looking at these comps, assuming the 49ers are at $16 million and Parker and Crabtree are asking for $24 million (more than Heyward-Bey) in guaranteed money, they would have a midpoint of $20 million (again a huge win for the slot where Jerrod Mayo got $13.8 million guaranteed last year) and the sides would be less than $1 million a year apart over a five-year deal.
Please, stop arguing about this stupid crap and read this.
Read it again.
Increasing the guaranteed money from 16 to 20 million is not “really” a differance of 1 million. It’s a differance of 4 million if you agree with the idea that guaranteed money is all that matters. Maybe the actual contract would change by 1 million, but it’s the guaranteed money that everyone looks at. And 20 million guaranteed is more then the 19.2 million the #8 pick Monroe received, or the 18 million the #9 pick Raji received. Why should Crabtree get more guaranteed money then the 2 picks ahead of him?
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
I'll make it simple for you
$20 million – $16 million = $4 million.
$4 million divided by 5 years = less than $1 million a year.
Please, stop arguing about this stupid crap and read this.
I miss read it.
I saw the 1 million but didn’t realize it was per year. Regardless, paying the number 10 pick more guaranteed money then the 8th and 9th picks sets a bad precedent. Future agents will know that if you just lean on the 49ers hard enough, they’ll cave into your demands. Besides, how do we even know Crabtree will sign even if they do raise it to 20 million? My understanding is he wants to get paid like DHB which is 23.5 million guaranteed. I know the article says to split the difference, but that doesn’t guarantee he’ll sign.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
escaltors are also a problem
Crabtree wants reachable incentives like the ones the Raiders gave DHB
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 21, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Getting inside the Crabtree negotiations
Fooch, even you strongly recommended that everyone read this piece from top to bottom.
Andrew Brandt says no, Crabtree will not sit out the season:
The deadline has passed for any potential trade of Crabtree; that ship sailed on Aug. 14. Crabtree will be a 49er. Pay no attention to the rumor of him sitting out the season.
And Jed york’s gesture to talk face to face with Crabtree was just a PR move:
Now there’s a report of a requested meeting by the president of the club, Jed York, to try to inject a fresh new voice into the negotiations, which have been handled by the club’s able contract negotiator, Paraag Marathe. This is a nice public relations move by the team to show it’s doing everything it can to sign the player, although probably not something that will have much effect.
He does offer some suggestions on how to handle the negotiations:
So, to answer a question many people have emailed me, what would I do if I were representing the 49ers? Not much different than what they’ve been doing, but here are some guidelines:Check out guideline #3—
3. Offer a substantially similar APY and guarantee as the Raji deal, a generous offer off of a reasonable deal done by the Packers. It’s more than the 49ers want to pay and takes the deal to the brink of jumping the slot ahead and potentially rewarding the player for holding out, but my sources say that deal has been contemplated all along.
So, if you agree with Andrew Brandt’s analysis (he makes the most sense out of anyone else I’ve read), the 49ers are going to have to up the offer.
It’s just that simple. They can put it off as long as they want if the really want Crabtree to look bad, but eventually they will offer and he will sign.
Please, stop arguing about this stupid crap and read this.
I thought that they already did
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 20, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what I said.
I read the article and I agreed with the advice in my comment. Up the offer to Crabtree, but only in what he calls “funny money”. Increase the value of the contract by increasing the incentives he’s unlikely to achieve.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
You read it again
Offer a substantially similar APY and guarantee as the Raji deal…
Please, stop arguing about this stupid crap and read this.
I believe the 49ers have already said they're willing to do just that.
They won’t go above the Raji deal, but they’ve said they’ll give him a contract that will pay up to $1 less with incentives.
blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2009/09/report-niners-lowering-offer-to-crabtree.html
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
That same article says not to pay out of the slot.
Look at what he says in points 2 and 4:
2. Try to cut through the charade of the player wanting to be paid outside of the slot.
4. Offer upside escalators between the amount of Raji and the amount of DHB, although have a great deal of “fluff” in the escalator – performance levels only achieved by the top receivers in the game.
I agreed with his assessment and said that’s what the 49ers should do in my earlier post. Put a lot of “fluff” in the contract but don’t pay above the slot. You seem to be advocating paying above the slot, when even the article you keep quoting say not to do that.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
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