Who on the 49ers covers Seahawks TE John Carlson?
The title says it all. Last weekend the Seahawks tight end John Carlson caught 6 passes for 95 yards and 2 touchdowns. Great for one of my fantasy teams, not so great for the St. Louis Rams. Of course this makes it something for the 49ers to keep in mind heading into their week 2 showdown with the Seahawks. Coach Singletary was asked specifically about Carlson in his post-practice press conference yesterday:
On whether the team has a designated tight-end stopper:
"It’s by committee. Our guys just have to, as much as they want to rush the quarterback and go up-field and play the run. We also have to cover as well, and that’s part of the job. We don’t have a designated guy for that."On LB Manny Lawson’s ability to cover the tight end:
"Manny does a good job. Manny knows that the most important thing for him is to continue to work his technique. Coverage is all about technique. It’s not about speed. It’s not about all that other stuff. It’s about doing your technique. As long as our guys do that, along with Manny, we’ll be fine."
Under Nolan, Manny Lawson was the designated tight-end stopper, along the lines of a Julian Peterson. This season it sounds like Lawson is getting to focus more on pass rushing, so the question becomes who will handle John Carlson this Sunday?
The options to cover Carlson would include Lawson, CBs Dre Bly or Tarell Brown and FS Dashon Goldson. I don't include Michael Lewis because he's a run-stopping safety who is a bit of a liability in pass coverage.
The question probably comes down to how much are they willing to lose on the pass rush? If you drop Lawson back in coverage against Carlson, that takes a big something out of the pass rush (given Lawson's performance against the Cardinals). However, given Carlson's size and ability, maybe Lawson is the best guy to be covering.
If Deion Branch is out (a very real possibility), the 49ers would also have Bly or Brown more readily available to cover Carlson. Of course, I don't know if those are the kind of guys you want covering a big, athletic tight end. If you look at a guy like Dashon Goldson, he's bigger than Bly and Brown, but then you lose out on your center field-style position.
Any thoughts on what is the optimal solution here? I didn't mention it but I suppose they could role the dice on Bamm Bamm in coverage, but I'm guessing you'd rather have him be able to move all over the field.
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Thanks for the post
Carlson worries me the most on Seattle. Hopefully Manny can cover him.
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ManLaw wins the day.
I know that Lawson was in a designated pass rush role last game, but he figures to be back in coverage much of next game. Only one of Carlson’s catches came on 3rd down last game, and that’s typically when Lawson was in as a Nickel DE. When the team is in its base 3-4, Lawson will be covering and Haralson rushing the passer.
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We may not be able to stop him all the time
But if you bump him at the line and throw him off his route or timing, you may be able to reduce the #’s of times he touches the ball.
by LASVEGASNINER on Sep 17, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
"Who on the 49ers covers Seahawks TE John Carlson?"
Nobody.
JC’s going to have a huge day no matter who tries to “cover” him.
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Vernon Davis
Hoping Davis can match the production of Carlson. I think the committee approach is best, to provide max. flexibility with each play. Appointment of a certain person for a whole game is a bit of a weakness admission, which the defense hasn’t yet shown it needs to include in its approach.
damn
I was kinda hoping you were suggesting that Davis cover Carlson, I thought: “Now that sounds fun to watch…”
by foosball4949 on Sep 17, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Dre Bly, cover Carlson?
Please, PLEASE make this happen.
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Dre Bly will "cover" John Carlson
like JVG “covered” Alonzo Mourning.
by ninjasocks on Sep 17, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I trust our defense enough ...
… to make John Carlson this game the Tim Hightower of last game.
On one hand, this isn’t necessarily a bad thing since we have the guys to make sure the dump off passes never result in too many yards. The fact that we’d be FORCING Hasselbeck to make dump off passes is actually my ideal for this game.
On the other hand, I do think Carlson should be a little harder to stop than Hightower was last Sunday. He’s bigger, faster, and has more talent. Simply assigning one main guy on our defense to always cover Carlson would probably be a bad thing – it would make it too easy to play to whatever that one player’s weaknesses are, particularly in the second half.
My request to the Niners for the game is simply …
(1) pressure Hasselbeck (like Warner) so that he HAS to just dump the ball to Carlson.
(2) limit Carlson’s yard-per-reception
and
(3) when you tackle Carlson, hit the (site decorum) (site decorum) out of him. I’m talking about (site decorum) hard hits here. (site decorum) him up during the first half of the game. I actually believe they can do this.
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Hightower comparison.
That might be a good one for the upcoming game. The game taggers at Football Outsiders would’ve loved what the Niners did with Hightower last game—yes he got some yards, but only about 40 of the 120 yards he got were actually meaningful for getting first downs. Most of the time when Hightower got a catch, it meant that the Niners were getting off the field.
If the Niners can do something similar in the upcoming game with Carlson, that’ll be a similar kind of victory.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
John Carlson is not merely a dump off threat.
He’s a playmaker and the team designs plays just for him. He’s even being used as a receiver, for god’s sake.
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
just to be clear
I’m not saying that he is just a dump-off threat. I’m just hoping that IF he gets a lot of receptions, that he gets those receptions in situations similar to those in which Hightower got his.
Also, I’d think long and hard about a straight-up trade of Vernon Davis for Carlson. And the fact that I wouldn’t just do that deal in a heartbeat (which my brain tells me I should) probably has more to do with the extent to which I, as a 49ers fan, am invested in Davis’ success.
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I wouldn't.
That would be an emphatic rejection. Carlson is already tenfold more valuable than Davis on the field, younger, and not a headcase.
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
This is why Lewis needs to be replaced.
Due to his lack in coverage skills, we need to adjust who can rush the passer. Hopefully it’s Manny Lawson, but I would use Willis. He doesn’t usually blitz, and If Carlson is in the Middle of the field, I’d like to see him JACKED UP!!!
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I read that Lewis played less last game
Whenever the Niners went nickel, they pulled Lewis for Roman along with putting in Bly. The secondary certainly improved its coverage ability then. I know Roman is none of our fav players but his coverage in nickel D is better than that of Lewis. The question becomes, does Seattle throw to Carlson more on 1st down from their base offense or on third down where we can better match a DB on him.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Reggie Smith?
What about him, no one has even mentioned his name. Throw him in on our nickel packages. He’s played corner and safety and was someone to be reckoned with in preseason
Fair question
My guess: they trust and still prefer Roman in the nickel package. After last game, hard to argue with the coaches decisions re secondary play. It really is a numbers game of which 45 dress. Smith wasn’t alone on the 8 inactive players: Jason HIll joined him and I’d like him to get some PT.
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Carlson works the middle A LOT
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Mix up
the blitz packages. Come from all angles so Hasselbeck doesn’t know what to look for. If they study tape all week long and we throw stuff at them that they haven’t seen or have prepared for, then we have the advantage. We need to jam Carlson at the line; NFL is all about timing, we throw thier timing off and I think our D is strong enough to pick up the rest.
I think that is the best solution
Hasselbeck has seen every blitz in the book.
He’s probably the best in the league behind Peyton Manning at audibling and adjusting plays at the line of scrimmage.
And while jamming Carlson sounds like a good idea, it’s easier said than done; who on the 49ers can jam a 6’6", 250 lb TE who runs routes like a polished WR?
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
We will see
Many Lawson is just as big and maybe not as agile but pretty close… if he lines up two feet away, all it takes is one pop to throw off the timing. You only have seconds in the NFL not minutes.
And maybe Hasselbeck is what you say he is, its really not him you should be concerned about. It doesn’t matter if he can read blitzes if your line cannot pick them up. So I was really refferencing your line. I am sure that there are innovative things that teamscan do to throw him off. And thats quite a stretch comparing Hasselbeck to Peyton Manning (I hope that was a hee haw ha)
The facts are that when he is blitzed, he makes mistakes…. as do most QB’s. Cause as I said before, its all about timing; if you throw a QB’s timing off its difficult to get a rythem.
Hasselbeck often finds the open man as soon as the snap gets off when he recognizes a blitz.
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Im sure
we will be playing press coverage against you this week knowing that. Manusky knows his X’s and O’s pretty well
Not as much as Knapp.
I’m wondering why 49ers fans suddenly think Manusky is a good DC. Everybody used to bitch about him last season almost as often as Nolan.
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Never been a Knapp guy
Not here nor his work in Atlanta or Oakland. His time here he seemed predictable to me.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Which coincidentally, was the last time SF had a good offense.
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Good not great
Coulda been better but Knapp was, again, predictable.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Well he's not Holmgren
so that’s an improvement in that department.
Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.
Because a gadget play that someone like Mike Holmgren could never dream of makes him predictable.
Oh, wait.
Predictable is Jimmy Raye calling run plays up the middle the entire game on every down.
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
You'll note
I said his time here. And were we talking about Raye? I though we were talking about Knapp. But since a gadget play is all you need for someone to be unpredictable, I guess you’ll forever not call Raye that after his first gadget play.
Coordinators mirroring the wildcat formations from Miami does not all of sudden mean these guys are less conservative or more inventive.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
No, but a gadget play helps.
There were a lot of inventive playcalls Knapp had on Sunday besides that. I still wonder how you feel about Raye if you didn’t like Knapp.
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Different talent
Knapp had proven talent at QB, WR, RB, FB and TE. This includes one of the top 3 WRS at the time and a mobile QB who had been in the same system for a few years. Raye has an unproven guy at QB, young WRs (outside of Bruce) and first year in his system. RB is the only established guy that he knows he can count on. The team is built to be mroe conservative. Not my preferred way to do it, but run with what you got until you draft or develop better. We’ll know by midseason who on this offense has developed.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Uhh correction
last season Singletary was the DC for half the season. I never complained about Manusky… afterall he only had half a season to make BIG adjustments. Now that everything is steady and the dust has settled and he’s had an entire offseason to put things together, well let’s just say things are different now.
How is it that Seahawk fans think they won the Superbowl because they beat the Rams. We on the other hand did beat someone that accomplished things. If youo think that the Rams are better then the Cards then you have issues. Anyway you chop it up, we are both 1-0 this year and the winner of this game will be 2-0 and more importantly 2-0 in the division.
The Niners are a different team this year as are you all. Typically when people under estimate someone they get beat. It sounds like there is alot of doubters out there in terms of the 49ers.
Singletary called defensive plays?
That’s the first I’ve heard of that.
And it’s not because we beat the Rams. Had we barely beaten them and squeaked by like the 49ers did the Cardinals, I wouldn’t be really high on them. As it were, we humiliated them in a way I’m certain the 49ers will not.
And I wouldn’t say they are really ‘different’. Same crap, different name.
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
He was the interim head coach after Mike Nolan was fired.
I’m not sure if he was involved of DC.
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
No....
Manusky was DC and Singletary was Linebackers and Assoc. Head Coach while Nolan was there….It was Manusky’s D but he was employing a different scheme under Nolan than he is with Singletary.
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by YoungWillis on Sep 17, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
This Hasselbeck guy sounds unbeatable! Has he ever lost a game?
Or thrown an INT? Better yet, how many SB rings has he won? Come on FF. He’s good and one of the better QBs of this decade thanks to Holmgren (and strong O-line play). Favre’s numbers changed when Holmgran departed. And Hasselbeck is now older and injury prone. He’s good and likely the best QB in Seahawks history, but what is that really saying. Will league wide fans remember much about him fifteen years from now?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Leave it to a 49ers fan to bring up irrelevant crap about the past.
The simple fact of the matter is that Hasselbeck is a premier QB certainly capable of slicing up a defense of a poor team like the 49ers.
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Poor team?
You mean the team that just defeated the defending division and conference champs in their building? I forget, has Seattle ever won in the new AZ hovercraft? You seem quite sensitive and nervous. You must feel a Seattle loss coming and can see the hole full of crow that you’ll have to eat.
Hasselback has been good. Currently calling him a premier QB is a bit much.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
And...
hasselbeck also, alot like his mentor Brett Favre, throws alot of picks because of his chance taking. When I was watching peices of the game against the Rams, he should have had two more picks in that game that the Rams secondary dropped. You all turn the ball over ALOT and you should have had at least two more last week that I can recall. If you play like you did last week against the Rams, against us, its gonna be a hard for you to recover from that.
Um, I don't recall any picks that the Rams dropped.
You’re either mistaken or just lying to prove a point. Even the first 2 INTs just looked like rust and overeagerness.
And you lost almost all credibility by saying he turns over the ball as much as Favre.
2007, the last season he played all 16 games: 28 TDs, 12 INTs.
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
How bout the
very first pass in to the end zone before he threw one for real?
Also last time he played us, he threw 0 TD’s and 2 picks.
He had no receivers
We were missing Branch, Engram and Burleson (our starters) going in. Before the second drive of the game we lost Logan Payne (a practice-squad guy) and Seneca Wallace (our backup QB put in as a WR). We had 3 guys left, including a couple of PS players and a retread vet who hadn’t been with the team for more than a couple of days.
No quarterback is going to have a passing game if he’s working with 6th-string receivers who he hasn’t practiced with.
That wasn't a dropped INT, that was a dropped TD pass that hit Burleson in the numbers.
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
There's nothing delusional about it.
Nate Burleson dropped a pass. It happens. The DB got a finger on the ball but that wasn’t even close to being a ‘dropped INT’
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
What about
the 06-07 season when he threw just 3 more TD’s than picks? Or the 02-03 Season when he threw 15 td’s and 10 picks.
Wow the more and more I look at his stats, the less credit you have in saying he is anywhere near decent
The 02-03 season was one of his first starting.
06-07 he played through an injury.
And if Hasselbeck isn’t anywhere near decent, what does that make Hill? A CFL backup? Actually, that sounds appropriate.
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Hill
is 8-3 as a starter…. more importantly he is 5-0 at home. You can say all you want about him, but he doesn’t turn the ball over. The media has a funny way of making people seem worse than they are.He’s had a passer rating of over 100 out of those 11 games and most of the rest have been in the high 80’s and 90’s. Not bad for a CFLer I guess.
Hill had ..
4 TO’s in a game last season. Against one of the worst teams in the League.
Well, we're waiting....
So...
He had a bad game…EVERY QB that’s ever played the game has…whats your point? In fact, that makes it even better. Half his turnovers came from one game. That actually doesn’t help your argument out
I never
said once that Hill doesn’t have work to do… I realize that. However, he is our QB and I support whoever is on that field because I want to see my team win games….even if they’re ugly. The facts are that the team responds to Hill…Singletary has said that about Hill. I am pretty sure that Singletary knows what it takes to win games and knows just a little bit more than you or me about football. So as a FAN, I think we need to support our head coach and WHOEVER is on that field.
Hill
I like Hill and think he’s a decent enough QB for the 49ers. However, the turnover #s are hard to truly assess I think. He had 13 TDs and 8 INTs, but he also had 4 fumbles. I wish I had video from last year to check out who’s to blame for the fumbles.
by David Fucillo on Sep 17, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Last season
was totally different though. He only started 8 games last year. if he did EXACTLY the same in the 8 he did not play, his stats are the same as what Hasselbeck had in ’07.
We will see what he does with a full season this year. I think alot of Niner fans are quick to give up on Hill. But he has good coaching and when we get some premier receivers in there, I think alot of people who do not support Hill will change there tune eventually.
Results and wins will earn him respect. I guess we’re so used to (for the last 6 years) seeing people lose, that when we have a winner in front of us, it’s almost a foriegn thought.
Hill..
Couldn’t beat out JTO in preseason, and if Smith were healthy, he would have been the clear #2.
If we want to throw out hypotheticals, then qualify them at least.
Well, we're waiting....
It's the '09
season. If you don’t support Hill, then you kinda aren’t supporting the team… He is afterall part of the TEAM
Oh, the dreaded..
“You’re not a true fan” argument.
The favorite of every fan who doesn’t have his facts straight.
Well, we're waiting....
What facts??
The only fact that I see here is that you are bad mouthing someone who hasn’t even played a full season yet, ANNNNDD who has proven to the fans of SF that he and the TEAM can win games for us.
THOSE ARE THE FACTS!
How about..
The “Fact” that you’re trying to compare QB’s one who is 58-45 as starter, to one who is 8-3?
Reach much?
Well, we're waiting....
Smith is obviously the better QB, he just hasn't been given a chance
Hill has a noodle arm and can’t make any long-to-medium throws.
As a disinterested observer, I can honestly say that Shaun Hill is no better than the 4th or 5th best backup QB in the league. Heck, Ronnie Brown may be a better passer.
That's
just absurd…
You obviously did not watch any of the preseason. Smith could not hit the broad side of a barn this preseason… His confidence is gone and the game is too fast for him. He looks frantic out there everytime he plays.
Noodle arm? Hill gunned a 50 yard pass to isaac bruce this past Sunday. He may not be able to throw an 80 yard bomb like Jamarcus Russell, no… but let me ask this, (this is for point only, no comparison at all), but did Joe Montana have a great arm? Or did he have the ability to rally his team and win games? Not to mention an all-star supporting cast…
supporting the team
One can be critical of a member of the team and still support the franchise. I don’t think anything good comes out of the argument “You’re not supporting the team.”
by David Fucillo on Sep 17, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I totally disagree
What good is a TEAM, if you can’t support everyone??? Even when Alex was in there stinkin it up, I still wanted to see him win games… I guess I am just a ratre breed. Everytime I see fans bad mouthing thier own team, it always makes me think of Randy Quaid on Major League.
How long have you been a fan Fooch? I’m not trying to bash…I’m just curios. Your profile said you moved to the Bay area in ‘03 (sorry if I have that wrong). And that you were from Newark? I am glad you are a fan and thankful that you put this here for us… but I disagree with you sometimes. A majority of the time I see your points and I do agree with what you are saying but even if people disagree with me, they are entitled to have an opinion as well. Opinions are exactly that though…
Anyway, I know that you can’t change the way people think so people will hate Hill and people will hate others that they may see a flaw in from time to time.
Newark??
Where does it say I’m from Newark? I can’t find that on my profile.
So I had to support Lawrence Phillips? A person can support their team and not like a specific player on the team. Why does a person have to like everybody on their team? I can hope for the best and still not like a guy.
As far as the Randy Quaid comment, he turned on the whole team. Vastly different. Also it’s from Major League 2 (a vastly inferior movie!). I support the team but I don’t see why it has to be you either love the whole team or none of them. That’s a bit much.
by David Fucillo on Sep 17, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry
bout the Newark thing, not sure why I thought that.
C’mon though Fooch, you can come up with a better example than Lawrence Phillips if you’re referencing Shaun Hill…
Shaun is nothing like Phillips… I know that was just an example and you were just trying to make a point… but there’s gotta be a better comparison than that.
I agree that Major League and Major League 2 are two totally different movies…. but that is sort of the same way I feel about the Hill, Phillips reference.
Phillips
I was just trying to use an extreme example to make the point.
But even still, I think it’s perfectly fine if someone loves the team but really doesn’t like a particular player. That just seems ridiculous to me.
by David Fucillo on Sep 17, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
To each thier own I suppose. I just prefer to support the entire team. Adam Snyder had a horrible game last week but I still like him and wish to see him do good this week. He may eventually lose his job to Pashos, but whoever is in there, I want to succeed.
I guess that’s my point
Adam Snyder is a horrible player,
so that isn’t really a surprise.
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
well
consider the fact that it is pretty much well known that the qb “competition” last year really wasn’t a “competition” because Martz already had it in is mind that JT would start.
by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 17, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Whats
Your argument? All he said was that it wasnt a competition as in Hill vs. JT…. meaning it was predecided not based on talent, but on the knowledge of the system…
I’m confused on your point
And..
Early on, Hill didn’t have the knowledge or command of Martz’s offense.
In fact, he was the worst in camp and and pre-season out of the other 2.
Put it this way, he wasn’t ready to start the season, and if he did..
Probably not the best situation for Hill, or the team.
That’s the point.
Well, we're waiting....
Not really
I can see you get lost easily though. You did the same thing yesterday when you were arguing with someone that was on the same page as you
Wins aren't a QB stat.
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope
not on yahoo or nfl.com or anywhere else. But do you think that matters to the Front Office? The Team? The Fans? Etc.
It is a TEAM stat, you’re right. But… who typically is the team leader? The QB…9 times out of ten. Hell maybe even 10 out of 10….thats debatable
And in that
2007 Season that you’re so proud of, he fumbled it 9 times and lucky for him his teamates fell on it 4 times outta the nine. Just to be clear, he turns the ball over like crazy.
Backed with facts
He’s also the best at blowing his back out the first time he gets touched up!
by AndOnTheDrums... on Sep 17, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
yup, that's right
hasselbeck is indeed better than Tom Brady at audibling and adjusting pre-play
what a joke, I can’t take anything you say remotely seriously
by foosball4949 on Sep 17, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Reggie Smith
I like him better than Lewis anyhow. He’s more athletic and better in coverage. didn’t he have 4 picks on preseason?
Carlson on early downs is the biggest threat
That’s when he’s most likely to be covered by or near (in a zone) a LB not named Willis or Michael Lewis. Third down it’s likely to be Roman or a corner. How about on 3rd down, putting Spencer on Carlson due to his height and let Bly and/or Brown take the WRs with Clements?
A macro question: can the TE, even one as talented as Carlson, win the game? If he goes for 8 and 90 but is a focal point because the WRs are blanketed, converts no third downs and is kept out of the end zone, will that be enough? I can live with Carlson having good numbers but the running game being stuffed and WRs getting no big plays.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Thereotically, that would be enough.
However, a TE like that is not going to just rack up meaningless yards. With a stat line like 8 for 90 it’s almost impossible for him not to convert a 3rd down, and that’s probably good for a TD as well. And that will probably open things up for the WRs, though I’m fully confident they can get open anyway.
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Not really
A TD from the TE requires being near the goal line or at least inside the 20. If the running game is stopped, Hass might do well between the 30s but unable tin find his TE in the endzone. So no, not probably good for a TD. And if those cathes are not had on thrid down then no conversions. Which was the point; the Niners should be better able to match his size and quickness with the nickel package on third down instead of early downs where Carlson may have the advantage.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Carlson completes regularly for 30+ YD.
’Beck and Carlson connected on two consecutive plays last week to score from the Seattle-29 (completion of 38 followed by a TD pass of 33). This is not an anomaly.
The same Rams that more or less beat the 49ers had it not been for a miracle play.
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by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
umm
Well two great drives in an otherwise awful performance…BUT it is nice to see that Hill had his worst game of his career and STILL had the manhood to lead his team to victory
by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 17, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
It wasn't manhood, it was Oshiomogho Atogwe letting a gift-wrapped interception go right through his hands.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you seriously talking about 2008?
Let’s see, Seattle barely won in STL last season. But that was last season. So who cares about that or the Niners winning in STL last year? Then you say more or less. There is no ambiguity; the Niners won. Now, try speaking about the present. Seattle beat up a bad team. It’s an okay thing to do but it keeps the 28 point spread in perspective.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Seattle had every member of the o-line out and Seneca Wallace starting.
The 49ers were healthy but still horrible.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 18, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Since you're an excuses man
The Niners were playing their fourth road game in the last five. That tends to wear teams down especially at the end of the year. Now, would you like to move into 2009 and away from excuses?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Now THAT'S an excuse.
Injuries, especially of a historical significance like Seattle’s, actually matter and have a tangible effect on games. Some anecdotal crap about team’s being worn down due to road games isn’t legit whatsoever.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 18, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
The only thing historical about Seattle
Was the heat wave earlier this summer. Well, and the excuses you fans have been shoveling. Fortunately that’s crossed into entertainment.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Jeremy Shockey
caught at least one TD pass last week on a play OUTSIDE of the red zone I’m pretty sure.
Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.
if we can stop Julius Jones this time ...
of course, there’s always that Edgerrin James threat to worry about
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
Or the dumpoff to the fullback that Patrick Willis will inevitably whiff on.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Carlson won't have as big of a game as last week.
Covering the TE by committee worked great against AZ. AZ TE’s didn’t catch a single pass. Of course AZ doesn’t have a proven TE like Carlson either. Last season the Rams had the 31st worst pass defense in the NFL giving up 8.3 yards per attempt. The 49ers pass D ranked 12th last season giving up only 6.2 yards per attempt. In other words, Carlson benefited from going against one of the worst pass D’s in the NFL. On top of that, Jones had a huge day: 19 carries, 117 yards, 6.2 avg, 1 TD. When the running game’s working it brings the deffenders in, which opens up the middle. In the end I think Carlson will end up getting 3-5 rec for around 50 yards. A solid game, but nothing like what he did last week.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
You don't realize that Arizona arguably has the worst TEs in the league.
All are useless sacks of crap.
And last Sunday, the opposite happened. First they went straight to Carlson, and Jones started getting effective and breaking off longer runs after Carlson had his 2 TDs.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Julius Jones will not do much....
against the niners. i lived in dallas and watched him for a few years with the cowboys. unless he learned to break a tackle in the last couple of seasons, I am not worried about that guy.
Patrick Willis is the best football player in the league. that’s my bombastic two cents…no player is better for building a team around. if he can zero in on A Peterson and demolish him, he can certainly erase a chump like julius jones.
Julius Jones is a bum who put up 4.4 YPC last year
He’s not worthy to hold Frank Gore’s jock strap because he only tripled Gore’s yardage last Sunday.
please don't make that argument
Maybe he ends up having a better year. But to make that argument after one game (against the Rams no less) is not going to hold water….and I would hope you would realize that.
by David Fucillo on Sep 17, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Because the Cardinals are the Vikings when it comes to run D.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
that's not the point
Wait until there’s more of a sample size to make these comments.
by David Fucillo on Sep 17, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
How good were they last year? How has the personnel changed? The coaching?
Can’t you make a reasonable extrapolation and determine that the Cards probably don’t have a top 5 run defense?
If we're judging everyone based on last year
Then Seattle won’t have a winning record in 2009. If you’re determined to judge in small sample sizes, Hass will throw around 32 INT this season. You should really listen to Fooch on this one and stop digging.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Ok, then lets extrapolate the last 5 years (or 3 years)
and the Cards still don’t have a top 5 run defense.
And yet perhaps they will this year
Time will tell. Or perhaps the Niners just really blocked that horridly. Maybe both will be true. What matters is whether they block better this week and going forward. If they improve, hard to see Seattle winning.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
If you commit to the run and can't threaten with the pass
Every opposing defense is going to look like a top 5 run D.
I think they threatened quite well with the pass
When they chose to call pass plays. I think there will be more of that on Sunday.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
The Cardinals D-line is one of their strengths, especially in the middle.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Sep 17, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Their NT is the one of their strengths?
Maybe based on one game, but Alan Branch has been a pretty big question mark. This was one of his first breakout games.
Dockett is a 3-4 DE
The middle of a 3-4 DL is one guy, called a “nose tackle”. Alan Branch is the Cards NT.
The complete quote was "The Cardinals D-Line is one of their strengths"
And Dockett plays there. Also, a DE in a 3-4 plays inside the Tackle instead of right over him, meaning he is more in the middle than if he was and End in a 4-3.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
The complete quote is
The Cardinals D-line is one of their strengths, especially in the middle.
The middle of a 3-4 D-line is a NT, not a DE. A DE plays on the outside of a D-line, not the middle.
Any yet plays on the inside shoulder of an offensive tackle
Unlike a 4-3. So it is more to the middle. And Dockett played quite well, as he did in the Super Bowl.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
OK, how about this argument
The Seahawks had more yardage last year than the Niners did. Last year, the Seahawks didn’t have any passing game to speak of so opposing defenses were free to put 8 men in the box on any down they wanted to. Also, every starter on the offensive line ended up on IR.
Despite these hurdles, Jones put up 4.4 YPC. Had he been given the number of carries that Gore had, he would have had more yardage. This year, the passing game should be able to open up the running game more, the OL should be more experienced in the ZBS and Jones shouldn’t have to give up carries to Holmgren’s favorite veteran of the week.
Call Jones mediocre all you want, but he’s going to very productive in this offense.
did I call him mediocre?
No.
I’m simply saying, Gore has put up better numbers for career than Julius Jones and to take one game and point out a huge difference is incredibly weak.
by David Fucillo on Sep 17, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, you took one point of my argument and called it weak
But its one data point among many and I was responding to comment that began “Julius Jones will not do much against the Niners”.
As a Seahawk, he’s been pretty effective in general and especially against the Niners.
He's not
going to put up the 117 he did against the Rams D against the Niners D….that is for sure.
The only reason he got 117, is because one of the Rams players missed an assignment and Jones had a break for 62 yards; that’s more than half the daily total. Julius Jones is to Thomas as Marcus Vick is to Michael
Why can't he?
He did in Week 2 last season.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
last season
last season, last season… you know what else happened LAST SEASON…the last time Hasselbeck played us? 0 TD’s and 2 picks…I’m sure that’ll happen too then since Jones is gonna rack up 117 again against our D….riiiiiigggghhttt
Logan Payne, Billy McMullen, Courtney Taylor were the WRs that game.
Neither are even on the team now. They are replaced by TJ Houshmandzadeh, Nate Burleson, Deion Branch, Deon Butler, and an even better John Carlson.
You know what else happened last season? Seneca Wallace led a team decimated by injuries to blowout the 49ers.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
it is funny...
when it comes to the injury excuse, it is ok if you are a seahawks fan….i guess that means we can use that excuse for the Niners 2 years ago when they lost all of those games because of their injuries (used 4 different starting QBs, not to mention, injuries to Gore, the O-line, etc) So really they would have won the West lol
by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 17, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
It wasn't so much injuries as much as it was that their healthy team still sucked.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Its a good thing
that they don’t keep stats on excuses on these blogs cause you would have everyone blown away in that category
Sure, if you knock off Jones' longest run he still has twice the YPC Gore had
Most RBs in this league have a series of short runs toward the beginning of the game and then break a couple of long runs later in the game. That’s just how RBs rack up yardage.
Or, maybe if he was given more carries his YPC would have gone down.
See, I can play with sample sizes too.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Sep 17, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
AGAINST THE RAMS
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
Julius Jones made Willis his whipping boy in Week 2 of last season, including burning him on a decently long TD run.
He had 130ish yards on the day.
Willis isn’t even the best ILB in the NFC West. What makes him any different than Jonathan Vilma earlier this decade? He was a devastating tackler too.
And people tend to forget that while AP had a bad day, Chester Taylor still had over 100 rushing yards and the Vikings still won by over 20 points.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
That long TD run
Was the mistake of the blitzing safety who did not maintain containment, instead running straight for the QB. I believe it was Goldson in one of his few snaps. Not sure how you put that on Willis. I certainly think the folks in Seattle recall Willis looking better than Jones and most RBs on his INT-TD.
As for best ILB in the NFC West, well, believe what you must.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Is this guy
for real????
Who is a better ILB than Willis in the NFC West? Or even the entire NFC? I’m not sure I am ready to laugh histarically…so you may wanna keep that answer to yourself
Lofa Tatupu.
Hell, even Karlos Dansby started looking ridiculously good later in the season. What’s special about Willis? He ran a fast 40 time? He’s a great tackler, and that’s about it.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Ummmm
Pro Bowl every year he’s been in the NFL. Just about 99.99999% of everyone I know (fan or fan of another team) and everyone in the media say this guy is a future hall of famer already. That if he continues the way he’s going he will be better than Ray Lewis. Hell even Singletary says the kid gives him a run for his money…but yeah, good call on Karlos Dansby…haha
Tatupu's done that too until last year where he was injured.
And Willis can’t even hold Lewis’s jockstrap, because Ray Ray actually did things besides tackle.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
hahaha
who is this guy? Seriously….Willis is the best ILB in the NFL, get that through your head…he makes interceptions (and runs some for TDs), he chases down WRs that have a 15 yard head start on him, he is a tackling machine, and you are going to throw those Seattle bums at us? lol
by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 17, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
2 career INTs.
He’s not the best. He’s an overrated Jonathan Vilma.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
This is just a case of 49ers fans overrating the only bright spot on their talent-deprived team, thinking Willis is better than he is.
I mean, you actually think Joe Staley is a budding star.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
You team?
Is NOT a chalk full of studs exactly… If Tatupu would have played for a smaller college, he wouldn’t even be in the NFL
Really?
3 time Pro-Bowler in his first 3 years, considered one of the best ILBs in the league. The Seahawks are far more talented than the 49ers. How many starters on the 49ers would be likewise on the Seahawks? All I can think of is Andy Lee, and Frank Gore.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I guess Willis didn’t get an INT against the Cards last week…
Or…
Ya know what nevermind…you are funny sir
Against a Kurt Warner looking like a beaten dog.
Tatupu intercepted Warner too except when he was in the midst of his career renaissance last season.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
You know,...this blather from these Washington nitpickers is laughable.
Its like the Niners are going to play this overpowering team filled with Pro-Bowlers instead of a team whose so proud of the fact that they put a smack-down on one of the worst organizations in the NFL.
+1 Thx for the perspective
I guess we should be flattered that they are using us as their measuring stick. If/when they come up short, what will that say about Seattle?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Perspective alert...
The 49ers played one of their worst games against the Rams last year too.
Well, we're waiting....
Yeah,..
That really justifies a 4 turnover game against the Rams, the same team we criticize SEA for winning decisively.
That really puts it into perspective.
Well, we're waiting....
Why don't you go back a couple of more years.....
If you want to give stats for particularly pathetic games. Its this year now . Hows that for perspective.
by Natural Red on Sep 17, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Qualification...
It’s kinda hard to bash SEA for winning a game big when the 49ers won against that team by a way smaller margin.
It’s not like the Rams can’t win one on any given Sunday either.
Well, we're waiting....
I'm with ya...
They were crowing too much.
by Natural Red on Sep 17, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Where is your justification...
On saying Hill doesn’t turn the ball over?
Oh, that was a fact that got in the way of your arguments.
Facts. Avoid them at all cost. You seem to do better that way.
Well, we're waiting....
You said
that 4 of them came in one game correct? He had one bad game…so I guess he’s just a bum huh? Favre never did that, Young never did that, Aikman never did that…did they? Never…. Everyone of those hall of famers have had bad games, hell even bad seasons…take a look at Aikmans first full season….or Steven Youngs first full season…
When Hill has played an entire season, and he totally blows everything for us…then you can talk. Until then I really dont’ want to hear your negativity….please spare me…us, those who actually want to see our players succeed. Maybe you just got used to seeing us lose, I am not sure what it is…but really, honestly, its tired.
Ok...
So now you’re comparing Hill to Aikman, Young, Favre etc.
When Hill plays a full season like those aforementioned QB’s………
Then you might have a point, albeit a stupid one, because you have a small sample size to work with.
You have the audacity to criticize people’s fandom here, when you are the worst example of a 49er fan I’ve
come across. You really are ignorant, and arrogant enough to not even see that.
Well, we're waiting....
All
I am saying is give the guy a chance for Godssake… He hasn’t even played one full season.
Im a bad 49er fan? I have SUPPORTED my team through thick and thin. Seen them win and lose…and liked every player on the team for better or worse. And you have the nerve to question me???
And you have “fandom”?? You have no loyalty whatsoever sir…and you have demonstrated that with virtually every post I have seen come from you…and you call YOURSELF a fan?
You obviously missed the boat on what I was trying to say. Your stubborness I am sure has got you in to some binds in your personal life… In what little I know, I can tell that about you.
No, I get what you're trying to say..
It’s all here in this thread and others.
You have the audacity to question Fooch’s fandom, without even knowing anything about him.
You have the audacity to question other people’s fandom, without even knowing what you’re talking about.
You call yourself a fan for the sake of being one.
You don’t like it when facts get into the way of your fandom.
Pretty simple to figure out. It’s because you’re that simple.
Well, we're waiting....
I just dont get
that if youre a TRUE fan, how you can want to see individuals on the TEAM fail for personal gratification…thats beyond me.
It seems to be split on these posts. There are people who are skeptics (like yourself) and then there are those who would like to see the entire TEAM prosper.
They play the game to win…that is the point. That is the bottom line. If you don’t want to see your TEAM win, then why be a fan? I enjoy to see my TEAM win with whoever and however. There is one purpose only. I know that’s hard for you to interpret with the wall of mental capacity that is preventing you from seeing that… To most, it goes without saying.
You bad mouth players on the TEAM, then in essence (in my opinion) you’re bad mouthing the TEAM
So what if someone does?...
That’s your problem if you don’t like it. You don’t have to respond to them, and you don’t have to read them.
Pretty simple solution, right?
Well, we're waiting....
What fun would that be
I find it amusing that there is people on these blogs that have actually convinced themselves that they are fans and continue to bad mouth thier team and its players.
To me it seems you don’t even enjoy football but just use these as an outlet to vent your frustrations
HAHAHA
totally senseless. Good luck with all your negativity…
Until you are mature enough to have a “grown-up” conversation. Fairwell
I am having a "Grown Up" conversation..
I’m the Grown Up helping someone who hasn’t quite gotten there yet.
You see, I’m not such a bad guy after all.
Well, we're waiting....
Look man
I’m done with the banter. I don’t think its who you are and I know for certain its not who I am
If you want to talk football then I will respond to that. If not, I will not respond to you. If that is your style, and you feel that you have won some kind of medal for me conceeding, then you win…..I guess. Not sure what…
When you wanna talk football, I’ll be more than happy to do that. But this has gotten a bit outta control, dontcha think?
Well..
It has, but I was talking football, just not the way you prefer it.
But it is getting juvenile and tedious.
Well, we're waiting....
This
All started because you dont like Shaun Hill. You have a right to feel that way. But I also have a right to think he will be good for us.
We are on the same side of the ball…and I realize people have the right to thier opinions. But I have a hard time understanding WHY people dislike Shaun for no good reason and no one that has had that “opinion” has been able to validate why.
He has 16 games to prove what he is all about. I think people need to start giving him the benefit of the doubt. QB’s in today’s league make mistakes and they shine. Even the Manning’s and Brady’s have days that they shine and days they dont. Look at Brady playing the Bills last week. He struggled but what mattered to the fans at teh end of the day? His game stats? Or the fact he pulled it off? Now there obviously is zero comparision of Brady and Hill…its just the point of it.
I don't dislike Hill...
But the reality is he still has to play a full season in order to qualify himself as a true starter in the League. Heck, he has yet to play 8 games from the beginning of the season as the true starter, not just the backup who came in to help mop up a season on the brink of disaster in the latter half. It’s hard for me to justify that to any other QB that has played a full 16 for several seasons as well.
That isn’t hating on him. I’m sure he would love to be able to prove that he can, since he hasn’t. He is 1-0 this season as De-Facto starter. The 49ers should not have had a competition this off-season. Hill deserved his status last season. Did it hurt the offense this past game? It did. But that’s how tenuous the QB situation is in SF. If the 49ers didn’t have the confidence in Hill from the beginning, then maybe “those who know more than we do” actually do know something we don’t.
IMO, he should have been the de-facto starter before camp even started. Too bad the 49ers will never give up on Smith.
Well, we're waiting....
Now you're talking
See… I am not sure where all the static came from? You are exactly right on all of it…
It IS a team filled with Pro-Bowlers.
As opposed to a team like the 49ers filled with the dredges of busts and horrible drafting. How’s Michael Crabtree working out?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Your editorials are misguided and without basis.
by Natural Red on Sep 17, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
It is factually correct that the Seahawks' roster is filled with Probowlers
It is also factually correct that the 49ers blew the first overall pick on a backup QB, the 6th overall pick on a pretty bad TE and the 10th overall pick on a WR who refuses to sign a contract.
Pretty bad TE?
You mean the best blocking TE in the league?
I also believe the Niners have more than “dredges of busts” on their roster. Like Seattle, some guys certainly have Pro Bowls on their resume: Gore, Bruce, Lee, Jennings, Willis, Clements, Harris (currently on IR) and Spikes. I think Staley, Justin Smith and Vernon Davis will be in the running if the team has a good record as they are solid players. We know you blindly love Seattle. You gotta do better than hyperbole when insulting the Niners.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Let the guy develop
Perhaps he won’t as a receiver to justify the #6 pick. I didn’t like drafting a TE in the 1st round. But to say Vernon is pretty bad? He blocks great, seems to be growing as a receiver and his speed draws safety help deep which opens it up for other players. Certainly not bad. That would be the TEs in AZ.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Pretty bad is relative
If you picked Cameron Morrah with the the 6th pick, you’d call him pretty bad. If you picked him with a late-7th round pick, he’d be sort of ok as depth or as a developmental player.
Picking a TE in the top half of the first round is bad idea. Picking a TE who can’t catch with the 6th overall pick is either horrible drafting or picking a bust.
And who are you the Director for player personell for????
Opinions are like armpits.
I'm sorry
I didn’t realize I had to be an NFL GM to talk about football on this thread. Yes, it is only my opinion that VD is a bust and John Carlson is the best young TE in the league, but it is an opinion shared by almost everyone who’s seen the two play.
Well and I'm sorry also.
You’re opinions, insite and factual football knowledge leave something to be desired. But keep talken about football.
Lol at people who actually believe Davis is the best blocking TE in the league.
Just because Singletary is prone to extreme hyperbole doesn’t mean it’s true. Davis isn’t even the best blocking TE when it comes to TEs who also count as receiving threats; Heath Miller, Jason Witten, and even Chris Cooley are better, just to name a few.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
More than Singletary has made the statement
You know, people who watch film. It’s okay to give some credit to an opponent. It does not detract from you.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
ProFootballReference basically validated what I'm saying after breaking down the tape.
Davis is an average to below average pass-blocking TE and an above average run-blocking TE. Still an asset, but definitely a clear waste of a top 10 pick.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 18, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
haha
you guys have a player named tatapoopoo! we win. your arguments are horrible hawks fans step your debate game up
this?
I don’t think you’re allowed to “this” your own comment.
by David Fucillo on Sep 17, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't think we were allowed to revert to name-calling, either.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
OHHHHHH
My apologies. Missed your typo.
by David Fucillo on Sep 17, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
How to stop Carlson & the Seahawks.
People sure are chippy around here once the season starts. But back to the subject at hand, stopping the Seahawks potent offense. First, knock the snot out of Bureleson and Housh… at the LOS to take away those quick timing routes that Hasselbeck seems to love. We already know how to do this well, as demonstrated against the Cards. This makes the QB use up more time to either find the 3rd receiver or the outlet, time that can be used by J. Smith and Parys to get to the passer. Willis covers the RB out of the backfield and a second FS (replacing M. Lewis) is assigned to spy Carlson. Thinking of Carlson as just a big WR, which is pretty much his role as seen last Sunday, helps. Now you’ve taken away the QBs first two looks, disrupted his timing, and given your base pass rushers an opportunity to sack him. If he goes to the RB as an outlet, Willis is there just like with Hightower – J. Jones is slower than Hightower. Carlson has M. Roman or Goldson permanently attached to him. When they go to 3 & 4 WR sets, we blitz the house because their OL is missing W. Jones on the left, has a rookie in M. Unger at RG, and has a new Center – they will be vulnerable to blitzes & stunts in the middle is my guess, but Manusky will see what’s what with their OL and set up the blitzes right.
I think that’s about the best we can do with these guys – take away Hasselbeck’s first looks to disrupt his timing, let Willis take away the RB, and put Roman on spy duty with Carlson. M. Lewis rides the bench for most of this game because they don’t have much of a running game despite Jones’ big run on Sunday (he’s faster than everyone thinks, but still not fast).
On offense, we should come out attacking the secondary, which is Seattle’s weakest unit on defense. Hopefully, this will take the safety out of the box, which is weaker without LB L. Hill, and allow us to establish the run in the 2nd quarter. Then we start running play-action. But the OL must be able to hold off Seattle’s D-line, which is ferocious. Kerney, Jackson, and B. Mebane can all get into the backfield and make a QBs life difficult. If the OL performance doesn’t improve drastically from last week, it may be a very long day for Hill and the offense. But if the OL can do it’s job, not perfectly but adequately, this game is definitely winnable without divine interference from the football gods.
Feel free to poke holes in this, FF.:)
How do you react to 2 TEs out wide with Housh in tight and Forsett lined up as a receiver?
Or screen passes to Burleson/Forsett/Jones/Edge/Seneca? Heck, how do you shut down Carlson when he’s on the field with Burleson AND Housh AND Branch and any one of three RBs that can catch out of the backfield or pass block? On any given play you could one of 5 different receivers (including TEs and HBs) or 3 different runners.
The Hawks’ offense is so complex and multifaceted that there’s always going to be a mismatch somewhere (and there’s no way that any one Niners safety will be able to shutdown JC).
OMG! What ever will we do?? Maybe we should just forfeit, that way we won’t have to be embarrassed by the powerhouse Seahawks offense!
by AndOnTheDrums... on Sep 17, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't sleep on the rook, Deon Butler.
He’s got some polish to his routes, he’s tough, he’s got hands and I guarantee he’s going to make you groan at least once this game.
Housh is pretty used to getting banged up at the LOS, I would think. Obviously, Fitzgerrald and Boldin are no push overs either, and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t impressed with the way you handled them last week. The reason Seahawks fans are pretty hopeful is Matt just seems totally in sync with four legitimate threats (Housh, Burleson, Butler, and Carlson) and we have a lot of faith in Matt’s ability to make quick reads and good decisions when he’s got weapons he trusts.
Quick tosses aren’t Hasselbeck’s only weapon against the blitz… Knapp has shown a pretty good sense of timing with the screens all (pre)season and Jones and Forsett are capable receivers.
I have no faith in our secondary, but I think the front seven should dominate at the LOS, even with the loss of Hill. One thing we’ve seen this year is our schemes have allowed our linebackers and ends to hang back a little more and read the play as it happens, which has done wonders to improve both our run protection and coverage in the flats, as opposed to last year when we would blitz 7 and give up a huge play when short pass would turn into 20+ YAC.
I don’t expect this to be a cake walk for either team, and I think both fanbases are excited to see if their team is for real. May talent win out and may that team be the Seattle Seahawks.
Isn't Butler injured or nicked up?
That’s why I haven’t been considering him. But you’re definitely right about him being a force at WR – he was good in the preseason when I saw him. Is he playing or not?
But I think the SF secondary can take on even these four powerhouses. Nate is especially good at banging receivers at the LOS to disrupt timing, and Spencer looked great this last week, too. Then add Dre Bly as the nickel, a guy who has played at a high level most of his career, and youngster Terrell Brown, who likely only lost the starting job to Spencer because of a preseason injury. At FS, new starter D. Goldson is a playmaker and his backup, Mark Roman, is last year’s starter who plays smart, has excellent technique, and makes almost zero mistakes. That’s why I would assign Roman to spy Carlson – he plays with great technique and can be counted on to keep Carlson close and screen him out of the play.
If your LBs hang back or you take that Safety out of the box, the 9ers will run. They’ll probably run even if neither of those things happen, and even if it doesn’t work. I’m pretty sure this OL is better than their performance last Sunday, but the weak spot at RT was evident. If Snyder has a bad game, expect Pashos to take over in the second half. Don’t expect S. Hill to get rattled or make mental mistakes, even if he’s sacked a lot. It’s just not in his character. Expect some short timing routes and screens if the Seattle pass rush begins taking a toll. And I can’t imagine Raye won’t attempt to take advantage of the Seattle secondary – Bruce can spin any CB around and Josh Morgan has excellent moves and hands. Don’t expect a lot of 3 or 4 WR sets, though. I think the idea is to make the LBs and one Safety tighten up to defend the run and then run play-action.
I always like the game planning aspects of football – it’s much more complex than any other sport. :)
No, Butler's fine. Branch is out.
WRT to our WRs vs. your DBs, we’ll just have to see. I’m skeptical your secondary is as good as they looked last week, considering the Cards only had one and a half true receiving threats.
I’m confident in our front seven’s ability to contain the run. Curry flies like a bat out of hell when he gets a bead on the ball carrier; you will learn to hate him. You know Tatupu. Herring isn’t the run-stuffer that Hill is, but he’s surrounded by good talent and is probably a league average LB in his own right. Tapp/Mebane/Jackson/Kerney could be a top 5 d-line this year. Tapp and Mebane are stars. Kerney I expect to fall off a bit from his height but he won’t be worse than average. Jackson is finally starting to show up after his mediocre rookie year and is starting to prove he was worth his pick. We’ve got tons of depth behind that front seven as well, maybe the deepest in the league. Deon Grant at SS is strong in run support as well.
See, you started off well...
Until this
Then add Dre Bly as the nickel, a guy who has played at a high level most of his career, and youngster Terrell Brown, who likely only lost the starting job to Spencer because of a preseason injury. At FS, new starter D. Goldson is a playmaker and his backup, Mark Roman, is last year’s starter who plays smart, has excellent technique, and makes almost zero mistakes. That’s why I would assign Roman to spy Carlson – he plays with great technique and can be counted on to keep Carlson close and screen him out of the play.
Holy crap, seriously?
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that why
Matt threw 2 picks and shoulda had 2 more that the Rams just couldn’t hold on too?
Yeah, he looked good….real good. If he feels the heat, he WILL make the mistakes. He has his entire career. Rattle him a couple times real good and he won’t hang in the pocket. And if he gets outside the pocket that increases his chance of injury…which we all know he is prone to. In fact your entire team is…
I think you guys should draft a team doctor with next years first round… I’m sure someone will have a wise crack about Crabtree so….let’s hear em
You blitz when there's 3-4 WR sets.
If there are 3-4 WRs in the game, it means there’s likely an empty backfield and the TE probably has pass pro duties, which is not Carlson’s strong suite. Time to bring the house. If they play 2 TEs outside with Forsett in the slot and Housh in tight, the extra Safety takes the non-Carlson TE and both sides just play the TEs like big possession WRs and force them to the sideline where they can’t maneuver – Roman stays with Carlson. Nate mans up on Housh and bangs him or chips him before he blitzes. That still leaves two DBs to contain. With Forsett in the slot, he gets chipped by a CB on a delayed corner blitz, or more likely, he is the outlet and Willis puts him on the ground(Forsett is pretty small). I think that accounts for everyone. This formation would likely be on an obvious passing down, so the 9ers’ nickel or dime package would be on the field and rushing the QB hard to take advantage of the OL and an empty backfield. Hasselbeck is not nimble or elusive, so that would seem to be a pretty dangerous formation for him with no protection. Did they run something like that last Sunday? And who would be the extra TE split out? I didn’t think they had another receiving TE.
John Owens
he came from the Lions or something. They only have one receiving TE.
We have two tho…with Vernon and Walker
Too bad both of them suck.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Vernon Davis
succckkkkked sooooo bad that he made it as an alternate on the pro bowl team last year… otay whatev u sayyy fwahgggy
You can't cover John Carlson
But you can catch him in a foot race. He’s the slowest creature on earth but regardless he finds yardage.
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
I'd rather have slow-ass Carlson rather than Vernon Davis and his useless speed.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I notice a VL trophy on the beak of your chicken... Do they actually have one of those?
I THINK NOT!
He really isn't THAT slow for a TE.
The John Carlson is slow" idea started after he was sick during the combine and ran a shitty 40.
You see him run in the open field in a real game right?
He’s Fred Bilitnikoff slow.
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
classic
And if he (hasslebutt) gets outside the pocket that increases his chance of injury…which we all know he is prone to. In fact your entire team is…"I think you guys should draft a team doctor with next years first round… "
i’m wondering if modern medicene can clone hasslebuck so they can wallow in mediocrity for another decade..
Hmm, that doesn't change the fact that Hill in the pocket is still arguably the NFL's worst QB.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
It seems that perhaps 5% of 49er fans
know how to spell Hasselbeck. It’s as if we’re playing a team from Alabama.
It isn't that we can't spell it, NOBODY CARES!
And what cultural mecca are you from?
by Natural Red on Sep 18, 2009 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
On what grounds?
Yeah he looked horrible on that 15 play 80 yard drive to beat the Cards last weak
*quack *quack *quack
No, he looked horrible the entire game and his career before that.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 17, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember 49er fans saying the same thing about J T O'suckington
last year. LOL! Shaun Hill is next to get discarded.
You Northwest boys have made all the right draft picks and trades...
Thats why your team has not, is not and probably never will be great. Its pathetic to read your mindless tiraids and hopeless opinions under the guise of talking about football. Your idea of talking football is to berate the other teams players and site selected worthless statistics in an attempt to hide the fact that you know nothing about the game and your team is not that successful.
Shaun Hill isn't that bad to be fair
I’m blaming it on you and FF if we lose this weekend. ;-)
If we win? I’ll give the team all the credit. ;-)
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009

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