49ers-Seahawks: Validating the week 1 win
by David Fucillo on Sep 18, 2009 12:30 PM PDT
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PrintI wasn't quite sure how to word the title, so I'll just cut to the chase here: Do the 49ers HAVE to beat Seattle this weekend to get any value out of the week 1 road victory against the Arizona Cardinals? It's hard to make such a black and white argument of course. A win is always valuable, no matter what happens the following week. At the same time, one has to wonder what kind of momentum would be lost by a home loss to the Seahawk.
Obviously two games do not decide the season. Or at least, the first two games of the season. The NFC West is a notoriously weak division (just ask Bill Simmons this week), so one might argue two wins over NFC West opponents don't mean a lot. Of course, I think most of us agree that is BS. Any win is an important win and starting out 2-0 in the division would be a big plus for the team.
In the end, a win over the Seahawks means people start talking up the 49ers (even if it's a tight, ugly contest like last week's game). A loss to the Seahawks and I think all that momentum from last week is lost. Obviously I'm not declaring it a lost season (that would be ridiculous), but it definitely hurts things. If you want to be in the playoff hunt, you have to be winning your home games. And as a member of the NFC West you have to at least be winning your home divisional games.
This post is more meant to open this to discussion than anything else. It's a pretty simply question. Do the 49ers have to win this week to validate their win last week?
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Yes
they do have to win, simple as that.
Yes.
While last week’s win vs. AZ made a statement, nobody ever viewed the Cardinals as a legit team anyway. If they can beat a more balanced team like Seattle, then the momentum might carry over to some games that they are almost certain to lose.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
last word
Last time I check, Arizona was the NFC defending champions. Thats good enough for me to say that they are legit.
They won...
by default. 9-7 when we temporarily relinquished our FOUR YEAR throne, and your team wasn’t good enough to take it.
Now we’re back and healthy, and better defensively.
We’re taking it back!
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Healthy enough
to beat the Niners.
That’s all the health we need this week, and we’ve got enough of it to knock Shaun Hill on his ass, vanquish Frank Gore to 3 yard carries, and grind out a win with our offense, which any way you look at it has far more firepower than yours, even if not yet clicking on all cylinders.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Then What happend?
If your’re healthy enough to beat us, what happend? You should have beaten us but Singletery has us play tough football, not your mistake riddled team I saw last week.
Mistake riddled?
We started a little overly amped, but settled down nicely.
I watched both games at the same time too, and I saw in your game a team that was a shell of themselves last year play you guys and remain competitive despite significant injuries at their skill positions.
I honestly didn’t think you won last week’s game. I just thought you were better than the Cards at not losing it.
And what do you mean, “if your’re(sic) healthy enough to beat us, what happend(sic)?” I’m unclear here. What happened when? Last week we won 28-0. Last year we split with you despite being banged all to hell.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Nu-uh!
You are!
Or should I go, “I know you are, but what am I?”
Your smack has downgraded to calling me delusional when your own Niner-fan brethren can’t even string together a sentence or two of semi-coherent semi-grammatical thought.
Wow.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
A shutout is always something to brag about
A 28-point margin of victory is something to brag about. What are we supposed to do, cry about beating the living snot out of another team? Are we supposed to complain that we had our running game and passing game running while shutting out our opponents?
Or are we only allowed to cheer a victory if we barely squeak past our opponents?
Injury riddled opponents...
I might add.
Kurt Warner could barely throw. Boldin could barely run. Breston didn’t even play.
That’s a lot of pieces of the Cards biggest strength, negated before the opening kickoff. I’d be a little disappointed I didn’t beat them by more, if I was the Cards…
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Warner could barely throw?
Where’ d you get that? Unless you mean because he was under so much pressure, in which case that’s not injury that’s pass rush. I hope Hass is continually introduced to the same Sunday.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We
forced Warner to go to his check downs all day. If we keep the ball in front of us, there won’t be many teams that get huge plays on our D
Do us a favor
Do the same thing to Warner again in San Fran.
I have a new hatred for all things Cardinals.
We’ll take care of him in week 6. ;-)
The Rams are doomed so it should be a 2 man race. Winner this Sunday gets a head start.
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
I agree
What would happen in the scenario that we finished tied with overall record and also tied in division record?
Does anyone know? Is it better NFC record after that?
Assuming we split our season series
Common opponents is next.
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
Conference records come after common opponents
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
From what I saw, yes...
and we watched the game with my roommate, who is the first true Cardinal fan I’ve ever met. (He lives in Denver now but from AZ). He said the same thing, that Warner just did not look at all healthy.
But, what does he know. He only watched every Cardinal game last year.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Fieldturf in AZ.
We have to go to an antiquated place like the Bay Area to even see dirt these days in the NFL.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I've noticed that as well...
at least in regard to the niners and their tradition…
Seriously though, you are right. I miss having the occasional mud-bowl game.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
What does he know? He's only a bit biased perhaps
And perhaps looking for an excuse why he team was beat. Hey, I watched every Niner game last year, a few AZ reg season games and all their playoff games. Kurt looked fine just dominated up front and WRs often smothered in coverage. So what do you know. Two people with different perspectives. Only one if us was looking for excuses.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
This is all coming
from the same people that are going to be whining and crying that they were injured and that’s the reason they lost….
quack quack quack
Hardly.
If we lose to the Niners, I will admit that A) your team is better than I thought B) you have an actual honest to god, legitimate chance to win the division.
But, I’m not too worried. You have Shaun Hill throwing to Josh Morgan and Isaac Bruce. Not exactly combinations that would strike fear in the hearts of D.C.’s everywhere.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
You must have been taking a leak
when S. Hill tossed a perfect strike to I Bruce for something like 50 yards last week in AZ.
The future ain't what it used to be. Go Niners!
I might have missed it...
I admit I was drinking and watching Seattle just give the Rams a drubbing as my focus point…
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I was too busy cheering on the Hawks at the game
Literally willing the Rams into 2 false starts and a missed 45-yard FG.
37 yard FG
And one penalty was a Delay of Game thanks to the center not hearing the signal.
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
Good
I hope your DC’s are thinking along those lines. Typically when people under estimate, thats when they get bit in the rear
Yup, we're in direct communication with our DCs
We’ve already told them to ignore Isaac Bruce and pretend Josh Morgan isn’t there. Also, we made sure they’re going to blitz 11 on every down, just like in Madden.
You have to win it
while we’re in it, otherwise you have no ownership rights.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope.
You have to HOLD it for more than a single year to have ownership. Otherwise you’re just renting.
AZ got a sweet deal on a 1 year lease, but now the landlords are telling them to vacate.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
HAHAHA
You really like to live in the PAST dontcha? I am glad I don’t see things like that cause we owned it and were the original landlords since 1946. You guys got booted out of one place already being in the AFC West originally and more often than not finished at the bottom of the barrell…
They came closer to winning the SB than Seattle
I’m not believer in AZ, but when you win on the road vs the defending division and conference champ, that shows well. Winning division road games should never be taken for granted. After all, Seattle is 0-3 in the new AZ stadium. Having won there twice we’d be happy to share with Seahawk fans what the feels like.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Our game is the NFL equivalent
of the 72 Olympic Mens’ Basketball Gold Medal game.
Game didn’t exist, because it didn’t exist fair.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
You must be drinken to much of that rot gut Ole.
by Natural Red on Sep 18, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Olympia is now brewed in Wisconsin
The best beer in the world is brewed in the Pacific Northwest. The crap gets brewed in the Midwest.
It's sad, actually...
I loved that brewery when I was a kid, it was so iconic. And it is much better “crap beer” than PBR or natty light.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 19, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure I can count as everybody
But I’m in the group he’s talking about…
Never use a big word where a diminutive alternative would suffice.
Yep.
If we lose this game, Week 1 will be all about the Cardinals Super Bowl hangover, their aging QB, their changeover at the OC position, and Boldin’s contract.
If we win, while it will still be somewhat passed off to the Seahawks being a “home” team and being a bit banged up, we’ll be solidly first in our division, and at least viewed as a threat.
We’ll need that to carry us past Week 3, when it could get VERY ugly against the Vikings. As it stands, though a Week 2 win puts us in the conversation, I think that conversation would unfortunately be as much about how bad the NFC West is as it would the 49ers being a surprise team.
Oh my...
you’ve been listening to those east coast guys, haven’t you?
The NFC West isn’t that bad. It just doesn’t have any truly great teams in it. By the end of the season, however, the winner/last man standing will be seasoned with the potential for greatness.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
The NFC West
isn’t nearly as bad as the AFC west now.
by foosball4949 on Sep 18, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
This century is the 21st century
The Rams, Cards and Seahawks have all been to the Superbowl in the 21st century.
What are you babbling about?
Your Honor, may I approach the Bench?
Let me use my super powerful ability to reason here.
If the Rams, the Cardinals and the Seahawks all made the Super Bowl, does that mean the only team in NFC West NOT to have made it to the Super Bowl is…. the Niners?
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
They couldn’t possibly the only team in the division that doesn’t have a Pro Bowl QB AND hasn’t been in the Super Bowl this century. The thought just boggles the mind.
And yet none of us has WON a SB this decade
So we’re even there. But certainly not in the trophy case.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Jeff Garcia went to the Pro Bowl three times this decade.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Four, if you count when he went for teams other than the Niners.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
what omg r u serious
when did this happen?
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
zomg i wonder if there's some kind of connection!
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
Correlation is not causation, but
you probably should have re-signed him when he was a free agent a couple of weeks ago.
Oh well, I guess there’s always next year (or the year after or the year after that).
we probably never should have let him go in the first place
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
Crap
I just realized that he was on the market for a bit and was looking for a starting job. You should have grabbed him when you had a chance. Maybe then you’d have a chance at the postseason.
I am
pretty sure that a MAJORITY of people would use the word decade to describe what you were trying to describe. I think its funny that you used the word “century”…thats all
And what did you do? We never lost one.
And thats all the chickens have ever been in.
by Natural Red on Sep 18, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
And to think this was considered to be the best or second best last year
Things change quick. I think all NFC West teams will be better than last year, with only AZ not having a better record.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Didn't say I believed it...
but yes, the conversation will have an East Coast-focus, and they’ll buy into the NFC West being poor (despite postseason success) fair quicker than taking the 49ers seriously.
We'll hear excuses with most any win until we are consistent
Part of that is our poor play and record since 2004. Part of that is playing in the West. If we win 9 or 10 games, Seattle wins 8 or 9 and AZ wins 8 that would mean three teams didn’t have a losing record. If the Rams can win more than 2 and look as though they’re improving, the West would receive some cred.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Defensive Test
Let’s face it, we are not winning our division or even getting to the playoffs unless our defense is as good as many of us believe it is. With that being said, there have been arguments that the Cardinals offense was not at full strength and that is only reason they lost. I think the bottom line is we need our 49er’s defense to win this game by holding the Seahawks’ so called balanced attack to minimal points if any at all, few enough points for Hill, Gore, and the rest of the gang to score enough to win. I predicted a 14-13 win for us. That is how close I see this game being. If our defense plays strong and we still lose the game for some stupid offensive reason, like turnovers, poor play by Hill, or even special teams blunders, I would not see our season as a lost cause. But if for some reason, our defense stinks it up, then I think I will have to admit that I have been living in la la Land or just admit that being stationed in Minot North Dakota as made me lose all the common sense I knew I had at one point. Oh and a final note, there is really no way to tell what the Seahawks offense it like after the Lambs game! I question why they only scored 28 on them? Heck last year the Rams Gave up more than that 50% of the time.
The first must win of the season for San Francisco
This is Mike Singletary’s first game as HC facing a “must-win” scenario as well. It will be interesting to see how the team plays in such an important early season contest. All the pieces are set up and in place, Whoseyourmomma missed WED and THU practices, and Burleson has a “hammy” to worry about. In other words, Seattle’s fans are lining up with excuses prepared when San Francisco beats Seattle 35 – 20 this Sunday.
You are about to see what the 2009 49ers are all about, tune in Sunday to find out. If you are going to the game @ Candlestick, amazing. Tailgate your ass off, ass is ok, right? And I’m talking to you James, TAILGATE your ass off. Get there as early as you can and live it up man!
The first must win, is a win, write it down on your paper.
by Andrew Davidson on Sep 18, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions
Sigletary's comments
A win would be a great boost in the division and a loss at home COULD create a temporary set back….BUT, here’s what gives me hope that EVEN IF we lost, that we could continue to have optomistic views of each and every game
Singletary: "I know that what I’m doing is right, so I don’t question myself and you just go forward and if you don’t win this game, it’s not the end of the world, you’ve got 15 more. The most important thing is you continue to build. Sometimes you can lose a game, but you gain something."
That type of philosophy can only be constructive.
I am optomistic for this week’s game. There will be lots of up and downs I’m sure much like last week’s game. But being that the Hawks have racked up a ton of injuries and other key players will be playing hurt, I like our chances and I look for there to be more ups than downs. The second meeting will be a much different game and thier crowd will be heavily involved. But if they cannot stay healthy, they will finish close to what they accomplished last season
Yeah..
I always love it when leaders never question themselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sulDYYAiCU
Good luck with that.
And for the record, sometimes you can lose a game and NOT gain anything. Ask Cincy last week.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
So it isn't real..
despite the fact that it happened last week?
Or because Cincy had that bad of luck and you don’t anticipate that kind of a heartwrenching, never-get-over-it loss for your Niners?
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Cincy has been the bitch of the NFL for 15 seasons...
Just like Detroit and The Seahawks.
by Natural Red on Sep 18, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Bush and Singletary?
LMAO!!!!!
Your comparisons are delusional…do you realize that? Prob not hahaha. That was hilariously dimented. You’re probably the guy who put that together arent ya?
You're right...
Bush only metaphorically dropped his pants in front of the world.
Singletary went a step beyond metaphor, though he kept it to the locker room.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Never understood why that bothered people
Most of what happens in a locker room only makes sense in that space in that moment. I certainly don’t need to know about it.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Agreed, actually.
I’ve also been in a lot of locker rooms as a player, college player and coach (hoops/baseball) and I’ve never seen a team need such motivation, particularly a team of adult professionals. It just seemed very “jayvee” to me.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice props for your self.
I’ll put my resume next to yours any day. Your critical view of our coach is pitiful considering yours is one of our retreads. how is sloppy-seconds…. or thirds.
by Natural Red on Sep 18, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know
Cincy learned that there defense might be pretty good. They also learned to KNOCK IT DOWN!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
politics
Please keep politics out of this.
by David Fucillo on Sep 18, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry...
just an apt allusion between leaders who never change their minds and never question themselves. I’m actually not talking politics there, I’m talking philosophy.
I see a lack of self reflection and questioning as folly. I’m actually not commenting on politics, only on a lack of questioning ones methods, philosophy or principles.
I wish I was as steely-minded as Bush and Singletary, where I knew I should never question anything I ever do.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I've heard Sing in interviews and he admits to questioning his methods
And seeking input and clarity from all staff. But I also think you have to have a philosophy for football in which you believe so long as you are willing to adjust as things change, i.e. talent on your team, weaknesses of your opponent. We can’t yet say that Sing is unwilling to change. I certainly take him over the waffling Nolan whose philosophy seemed to change bi-weekly. I think Holmgren had a philosphy to which he stuck and I don’t think you’d give back his run as coach.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
And I actually agree with you here...
I was mainly mocking your boy up above that said Singletary doesn’t question himself.
I certainly hope for your sake he does, and I hope Bush did too.
I was taught about my philosophy as a basketball coach, “You can ask questions in the system, but you can never question the system.” That would be what you teach the players. However, as a coach you should always be evaluating and analyzing and importantly, taking a step back to do so. Too many coaches don’t back away to evaluate, so they don’t see the total picture. That’s at all levels. And those coaches eventually fail.
I think Mora’s “time off” allowed him to do that to a degree that is rare, and that’s part of what excites me about him as a coach. Plus, he is really enthusiastic. I can also see Singletary being the right coach for you guys after a couple softies and Nolan, who just seemed noble, but lacking in personality and fire.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
YES WE HAVE TO WIN
Not a classic case of “must win or the season is over” but we have the momentum, the Hawks are in of Div so if the we want prove to ourselves that we are a playoff caliber team then as they used to say in those old WW11 movies DAMN THE TORPEDOES FULL SPEED AHEAD AND
YES
This game is a must win for the Niners.
1. because Im gonna be there : )
2. it validates what we did in AZ
3. the schedule only gets harder
Seahawks injuries
At what point do injuries point to a systematic issue with a franchise. The Seahawks are already banged up and it’s week 2. Year after year they have injury issues.
I really think our old school training camp is going to limit the smaller injuries for the team this year. Bumps and bruises sure, but our team has been hardened by Singletary in just a few weeks of hard labor.
False logic.
For one thing, we’re not THAT banged up right now. We’re pretty okay for the most part.
Second, we also had “an old school training camp” with Mora as opposed to the Walrus, who was a little more laid back.
Third, “year after year” we haven’t had injury issues. The past couple years, yes we have. And when we got to the SB we were relatively healthy. I think you’ll find most teams that get to the SB are actually relatively healthy— it’s why they got there!
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Not in the context of his statement...
That’s like saying we have had many injuries and the tally is four… technically “a few” is three, but does “many” deserve four?
Yes, it is more than “a few” which is technically three, but he was saying in a way that made me believe he was speaking of a long term thing…
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
But you guys keep talking about your injuries so it seems like so many
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Nice try
You are pretty banged up. I suspect (being that you played a crappy team this past week), that alot more injuries will pile up throughout the season.
You guys are so injury prone, you should draft an M.D. for your first rounder next year. Or…save the money and invest in neck and leg braces…maybe some crutches?? haha
We're not that banged up...
of course, last year threw our scale into a much wider range than pretty much anyone.
We have a couple guys out that will hurt us, but we weren’t really expecting much from a couple more anyway.
Tru and Leroy hurt. I don’t even consider Big Walt as hurt, I consider anything we get from him to be gravy at this point. Spencer hurts a bit, but fortunately our backups got plenty of experience last year, so I think we can weather the storm.
And, you like, totally opened yourself up here. It’s almost TOO EASY…. If we did draft an M.D. for our first rounder next year, we’d likely get more usage from him than you’ve gotten from your first rounder THIS year.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I will agree with you that more injuries will occur during the year, it's the nature of football.
Happens with all teams. The team you played last week was awful banged up, I don’t see you complaining about facing them given those circumstances. In fact, I see Niners fans calling it a huge win, but I just didn’t see it that way.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha
Yeah a Crabtree stab…figures…funny. And if it is TOO EASY, then that shows you metal capacity …or lack there of in your creativeness
Except, the funny thing is, that three of your key players that will play are hurt…Tatupu, Burleson, and Houshmandzadeh (or however you spell that retarded name)…and I hope, hope, hope that Jones and Spencer play cause they’ll be right back outta there. If not, no worries cause we’ll drill right through the back-ups. You are deluded if you think your injuries wont be a factor in this game. And its sort of the domino effect…one injury (especially on the line) leads to more and more
Well...
lack thereof would be the word, it is one word not two.
I do certainly find humor when someone online comments on another’s mental capacity with a grammatical/spelling error included.
Burleson is fine. Housh will be fine for the game. Tatupu? Well, he’ll be missed, but now we get to test our earlier theory that our 4th/5th/6th LB’s are better than your 4th starter and bench.
Injuries will be a factor in the game. No injuries, we crush you. Now we’ll just have to defeat you instead of destroy you…
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
More of a typo
But since you teach the english language at the colliate level, I guess I should take your word for it. Guess you’ve never had a typo or gramatical/ spelling error eh? Too funny
Hey sawdust I find abundant humor in someone...
Who is as miopic as you appear to be.Who spends so much time tooting their own horn and find some sort of glee in correcting someones spelling.
by Natural Red on Sep 18, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure how saying...
I’ve been in a ton of locker rooms and never seen a coach drop trou for effect it tooting my own horn.
And if you say someone lacks “metal [sic] capacity” while misspelling several words, you open yourself up to criticism.
Don’t question my mental capacity, I wont be myopically evaluating your spelling while you do it.
Seems simple enough.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 19, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I know, you've been player, coach, waterboy...
I don’t believe I questioned your menial capacity…..oops. Put the red pencil down and attempt to speak about football.
by Natural Red on Sep 19, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Not you...
the other guy went personal with the insult of my mental capacity.
Football talk? Fine. The Seahawks are gonna kick the Niners ass tomorrow, just like the Huskies kicked the Trojans ass.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 19, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Last time the Huskies were really good
Niners ruled the West and the Seahawks were an afterthought. Glad we’re returning to those times.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Because...
he has problems spelling it, so of course IT belongs on the short bus, not him…
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty sure
I spelled it correctly…Its ridiculously long…and it does sound like “Who’s your momma”… guess that’s why they made fun of it on a commercial
Or alternately, you just possess a painfully small mental-capacity.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 18, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
You have been busy all week.
Showing us your mental capacity And you have left quite an impression.
by Natural Red on Sep 18, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Banged up
1 week in and you have 3 out and a couple more not practicing (but will likely play like Housh).
Maybe the Seahawks haven’t been more injury prone than others, but every 9ers game is seems they have a couple players out for it.
I would heartilly agree that the teams that dodge the injury bug tend to do well into and through the playoffs. But there are a number of teams that are playoff regulars, so it’s not all luck by any means.
Football conditioning does take some toughing up, getting adjusted to hitting and being hit after the offseason is required. I don’t doubt the Seahawks have tried to get their team in the best possible shape for the season, but I don’t believe they have gone through the type of fire of camp Singletary, the amount of hitting is going to become a thing of legend for better or worse after a couple seasons if it hasn’t already gotten around the league.
Our injury report has 1 guy out with a knee from the preseaon, 1 other almost back from a preseason injury and a few taking it easy to heal some bump n bruise type things. I take the injury list as part of the game and frankly expect my team to do it’s best to exploit what it can. I just can’t see taking the position of when we’re healthy then we’ll see when we haven’t played you healthy in several years, nor do I expect to any time soon.
You don't believe we've gone through a physical camp...
because you guys had one too.
I know he put your guys through the screws, but Mora is an absolute fitness nut and worked the hell out of the team this offseason far more than Holmgren ever did. Holmgren may very well have run one of the easiest vet-favoring camps out there, but Mora definitely ran a hard core intense physically demanding camp.
Did he hit as much as Singletary?
No. But then, our vet laden team didn’t need to knock each other out, then needed to get stronger and better conditioned. And they did.
Mancrushed. Jake Locker for Heisman 2010.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
5 injuries during the game with the 9ers for the seahawks
The Seahawks may need to rent space in the 49ers training room. CB Josh Wilson has suffered an ankle injury and won’t return. He’s the fifth Seahawk to go down, joining QB Matt Hasselbeck (ribs), WR Ben Obomanu (head), LB Lofa Tatupu (hamstring) and LT Sean Locklear (ankle).
from: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/SEA
Something is just not right with the program, be it scouting or training I have no idea, but it’s not good.
I think it's HUGE
we win vs. Seattle. It sets us up to be 3-0 in the division and probably 3-1 record through 4 weeks. I think it’s huge.
I think its bigger if the Niners lose
The Niners aren’t going to take a game at Qwest, so they’d have to take one at home. If they don’t take one at home, they’ll probably be swept by the Seahawks.
2-1 there the last three years
While being the flawed team we’d all agree SF has been. And now we’re better. I know it was low hanging fruit from socks but the idea that division teams can’t win at the other teams place when they have is foolish.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
IMO Seattle has had 3 advantages at home
Incredible crowd noise (great job building that place). Farthest travel for teams coming west. Having a good team since it opened.
One reason the Niners have had success there is the travel piece carries no weight. Crowd noise is overcomeable when you play well (and it seems like a decent number of Niner fans are there, another benefit of annual visis). Being better always matters but when you play people twice they know your weaknesses and are built (in theory) to take advantage of them.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Good points.
Travel is really negligible and SF fans are the norm on the West Coast. When Arizona comes, there are no fans obviously since there aren’t even that many Cardinals fans in Arizona…
Are you so sure about the Rams?
I am pretty sure that we can beat them but I would not count on it, like all we have to do is show up. Any team can beat another on any given Sunday and this is a divisional game. Divisional games can have some unually outcomes.
Must win
Although if memory serves me correctly, we started 2-0 in 2007 and look where that got us….
Granted Alex Smith got hurt but the losing streak that ensued was hard to swallow regardless.
Clearly this team isn’t THAT team.. but 2-0 that year was against the ’Hawks and Rams (I think) so both still in the NFC West.
by return2greatness on Sep 18, 2009 2:12 PM PDT reply actions
Good point - but it was AZ and the STL
Both of those teams had average at best QBs and neither would finish with a winning record. That’s why I’d argue that as important as this win can be to both teams, how the Niners play is just as if not more important than if they win. Being 2-0 while defeating Warner and Hass, the former on the road, would show legitimate progress from last season. But having the defense be strong in both games would show that the unit has improved and is likely the best in the west, a huge key to winning the division. But if we barely win only because Seattle plays horrid, it will eventually bite us when we’re not playing west teams.
I expect the offense to gradually get better throughout the season. The ability to win games while this is happening is a big deal. To be alone in first place while working out the kinks buys us some room for error.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Not a must-win
Because a loss doesn’t put us out of the running. It’s just much too early in the season to call a game a “must-win”. And we don’t really benefit by calling it as such; if the Niners lose, then woe is us the season is over, and if they win, then, well, they were just doing their jobs.
It’ll be a huge and important win, no doubt. But a loss isn’t the end of the season.
We need to win every game!
Every. Single. One.
Going in with the mentality that some losses are more acceptable than others is recipe for bad mojo. In the mind of Singletary, or any player, I never would go into battle thinking that with the odds against me, it’s OK to tuck tail and take the whippin’. I’d be ashamed of my name and position in the world.
If anything, “the bigger they are, the harder they fall” is a much better mindset to have. And with a great chance at owning this division, it’s more of a “are we really going to let the ‘hawks’ get the upper hand?” type of deal. I’d slap myself silly if we let them win the division this year.
Not in my house.
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NFC West
I’m a Seahawks fan, but I don’t think that you guys are giving any of the teams in our division enough credit. I really don’t think the Rams are going to be as bad as last year, I think the Cards will have a decent record, and I think the Niners and the Hawks both have a very good chance at winning records. Of course, I personally think the Hawks are going to win this game, but regardless of what happens I want the Niners, Rams and Cards to have the best seasons possible (except for their losses to the Hawks of course). Anyway, all I’m saying is don’t underestimate our division. I think there are some talented teams here, and the two most talented will be playing Sunday. I can’t wait!!
I disagree
about the Rams… Everyone is picking them to go 2-14. I can’t even see 2 games on thier schedule that I would pick them in. And watching them manage to not even 3 on the board against you all makes me even more of a doubter.
As much as I am on board with wanting to see the NFC West rise… I think at the most, there will be 2 teams at best that have winning records out of the division
Good observation.
I agree that we need to win to make the statement that it wasn’t a fluke.
Have to? No.
The benefit to it being a division game is you get one more chance to even the series and I expect these two teams to split this season. It would not steal last weeks momentum but would stall it and keep the huge question mark of “unknown” over our team.
I think that it would represent a 2-1 record in the division with wins coming vs our two biggest competitors within the division would certainly be a tie-breaker benefit for later in the year. Nationally, winning two West games will give us no respect but being alone in first would make us part of the conversation. I think all NFC West teams will need to win non-divisional games and road games in the eastern or central time zones to start earning a place on the national stage.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I honestly don't
think the Hawks are as good they think they are. They are coming off a 4-12 season (injuries or not) and here they think they are contenders. I’m sorry but after an embarrassing season like that, you have your work cut out. Bottom line.
Yeah Hasselbeck is back, but honestly, do you really think he will hold up the entire season if your line continues to be injury plagued? Julius Jones is not the answer at running back, anyone who is honest to themselves knows that. Burleson is an okay receiver but with the exception of last year, has never made it through an entire season. TJ can’t do it by himself…so really you guys arent too edgy in that regard. Your defense is the only thing you have going for you and they are mediocre…they aren’t a powerhouse like the Ravens, Eagles, or Giants… I admit that our defense is young, but at least we are on our way to becoming one of those “types” of defenses. You guys are on the way down, and we are on the rise. Mora will be outta there in tops 6 years. Why do you think Atlanta got rid of him??? Anyway, I think you all are way too optimistic for what you have. I will be surprised to see you all go 8-8…and that is my HONEST opinion. 4-12 to 8-8 would be a pretty goos accomplishment considering you cannot stay healthy
Good points...
for a guy whose team in the last 5 years, starting in 2004, went:
2-14
4-12
7-9
5-11
7-9
Those records there make me, to paraphrase you, “honestly not think the Niners are as good as they think they are.”
I’m sorry, but after 5 straight losing seasons, how exactly do you get to quantify the Niners as a contender if the Hawks after one below .500 season are not?
Honestly, yes I do think Hass will likely hold up the entire season. Our line isn’t incredible, but it is surprisingly deep top to bottom. I think we’ll do okay there. And, none of our line injuries are season ending at this point, they’re just “bang up” injuries that happened. You are assuming that the injuries will get worse, not better.
Hate to break it to you, but Jones doesn’t need to be “the answer” he just needs to be a solid back. He is one. He’ll be just fine. Not worried, AND honest with myself there.
Burleson, with the exception of last year, has always been pretty healthy. And he is a better WR right now, as our 2, than anyone on your team.
TJ doesn’t need to do it by himself, whatever gave you the idea he does?!? He has Nate, he has Carlson, he’ll probably have a little Branch and some young Butler all supporting his pass-catching endeavors. Our WR’s are so much better than yours, top to bottom, I don’t even know how you could possibly use this as a point in your favor.
How do you know our Defense is mediocre, by the way? I think we have more upside than yours, and, by the way, we are awful young and on our way to having one of those “types” of defenses ourselves. The Hawks D is better today than it was in the SB year, it is deep and talented and has a ton of upside. While you are quick to count your struggles under Nolan, we had John Marshall “leading” our D prior to this year, so we also have some great upside potential simply by changing coordinators.
“You are on the way down, and we are on the rise.” Really? I think we’ve managed to pull the always difficult team in transition yet still competitive card. You, on the other hand, have been a “team on the rise” for 4 years now. Of course, after going 2-14, it’s pretty easy to rise little bit by little bit.
Mora out in 6 years, eh? I guess I should take your word on it, because AtL got rid of him… If you don’t know why Atl got rid of him, then you don’t know why he will probably be a Hawk coach for a long long time.
We’re too optimistic for what we have? Again, 7-9, 5-11, 7-9. Last 3 years. See, I was even kind and didn’t include the prior two years that time. Still, that’s pretty weak sauce to be calling ANYONE optimistic.
And I, honestly, will be surprised to see you go 8-8. But then, what do I have to work with there, other than 5 years of historically NOT being 8-8. And that’s my HONEST opinion. 4-12 to 8-8 would be a pretty good accomplishment for you, considering you haven’t won 8 games in a season since 2002.
Mancrushed. Jake Locker for Heisman 2010.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I know exactly why
Mora was fired… It was because he came in his first season and helped them to a winning season…then got beat in the Championship game. After that it was all down hill for good ol’ Mora. And then he made some STUUUPID comments to the media that Arthur Blank dissaproved of as would any team owner…. Then guess what? He got canned. Is that why he’ll be there for a long long time? I was being generous with saying 6 years…He got chased out of Atlanta by a mob of angry fans and an upset owner. He betrayed his team AND his fans and he will do the same with you…just wait.
This is all true.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 18, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Again your selective statistics.
Will not cover the facts that the chickens have never amounted to anything in their history of competing in the NFL.
by Natural Red on Sep 19, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I honestly don't think the Hawks are as good as they think they are...
We have some injuries, but I have been very impressed with the play of our back-ups. Watch Will Herring this weekend — he is good. And, I have a lot of confidence in both Seneca Wallace & Mike Teel if Hasselbeck goes down (which I don’t think will happen). Finally, running backs are only as good as their offensive line and the system they are playing in. The zone blocking system has worked well, and I think our guys are picking it up. Plus, we have 2 first round picks next year. The Seahawks will be the biggest thorn in the Niners side for years to come….. IMHO of course!
Will Herring?
He plays special teams…
Seneca will never be an elite QB..if you’re honest to yourself, you realize that
Herring
He’s starting in play of Hill this weekend.
by David Fucillo on Sep 18, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
He will be
exploited. You will miss Hill. I think it will be eveident come Sunday. This isn’t gonna be a walk in the park like some of your fans seem to be thinking.
Quick question
Is Nate Davis your backup if Hill goes down?
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
Sando disagrees with you
The Niners have no passing game and will have to try to run it through one of the biggest front 7’s in the NFL.
Have no passing game?
It looked fine winning the game on Sunday. Don’t confuse not calling more pass play with the inability execute them.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Such a ringing endorsement
“It looked fine winning the game on Sunday”
Sando thinks we won’t miss Trufant this week because your passing game is week:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/5134/nfc-west-injury-situations-that-matter-18
Good for Sando
I like him. He also said AZ would win last Sunday. Ooops…
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
As did
everyone else. it was a hands down win for the Cards according to most of the media. And alot of people are saying that Seattle is gonna win this week as well. I think it’s easier to win when youre the underdog…not as much pressure. However, I think there will be pressure on the team coming from the coaching staff much like last week. Singletary puts the pressure and accountability on the team. As long as we continue to execute plays with little or no flaw, and not turn the ball over, our chances of winning every week look good. Hasselbeck should have had at least one more pick last week. The Rams defense and the Niners defense are like night and day.
You sure are asking us...
to be honest with ourselves an awful lot, for a guy whose team hasn’t had a winning season since 2002.
Mancrushed. Jake Locker for Heisman 2010.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Since you're carelessly
throwing around the past….how many Superbowl titles do the Hawks have? I usually keep that one in the vault but every once in a while, when people are acting irrationally, I will throw that out. Don’t like doing it cause last I checked it was 2009 but if you want some facts and stats, I can go off all day long on you.
New year, new team, new attitude. Same with you… although you are hurt again, maybe not as bad as last year…but those are the facts.
Lame.
First, I’m not acting irrationally.
And your “facts” are awful. Your facts basically consist of opinions of optimism, but when I state something on a similar plane, I’m “not being honest” but you, apparently, are.
I’m also not all that sure what SB’s in the 90’s and 80’s have to do with present circumstances. I think you can make a pretty logical argument, however, that the last 5 years performance does have a distinct bearing on present situation and circumstance.
Mancrushed. Jake Locker for Heisman 2010.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 18, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Really
So the Dolphins who had those same 5 year stats….were horrible when things turned around for them last year huh?
How contradicting can one be in two sentences???? The past is the past. Your point is hollow, just like your views on where things are for you all
So because the Dolphins had a fluke season, the 49ers are due for one too?
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 18, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Let me ask this
Can you tell me how many players of our 2003 team are still playing for us…coaching staff as well?
You see what I mean. The last 5 years has no bearing in the 2009 Season. So yes, in a way, you’re being maybe not irrational but there is obviously a neglect for the logistics of the way things are
You seem to be a victim;
Of the post hock fallacy. The word lame in regard to your endless blathering does not quite describe the lack of critical thought you have shown. When are you going to realize that other than one year , the Seahawks have been the laughing stock of the NFL. And you have gall to reference that record with that of the 49ers! I think you need to have another Ole.
by Natural Red on Sep 19, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
So, four of the last five years...
you were laughing at us, while looking up at us from the standings?
Sweet.
Mancrushed. Jake Locker for Heisman 2010.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 19, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I know it must be difficult...
For you to see the failed logic of comparing four or five years of basic mediocrity by the Seahawks to the history of the 49ers. Anyone can couch their argument with a selective quotation of statistics. I don’t deny the Niners have been down but attempting to equate the histories of the two franchises does not hold water.
by Natural Red on Sep 19, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Wallace is better than ANY QB that SF has had since Garcia.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 18, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
We released Brian Russell
Our problems have been solved.
Greg Knapp replaced the FB draw with a trick play (did Knapp even run a draw play during meaningful gametime last week?)
John Marshall’s 66 man blitz on 3rd and 44 is gone.
We released Brian Russell.
We released Brian Russell.
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
Man I so want to get in to the smack-talk game
But I can’t. They were my first team growing up even though I was closer to the Raiders’ stadium and I don’t have the heart to do it.
Did people just forget that if Mike Martz had decent clock management in Arizona and Hasselbeck doesn’t throw to Rodgers-Cromartie the Seahawks would be playing the defending NFC West champs? It’s not like the 49ers were bad, they were two breaks from pulling off an improbable comeback.
A must-win? I don’t know. But the Niners have a tougher schedule and it’s a home game so it would be best to defend your turf.
Good luck to you guys this weekend.
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
Appreciated
Not sure tho why think SF has the tougher schedule. We play the same teams at the same locations with the exception of two: we go to Philly while you go to Dallas, and we host Atlanta while you host Tampa. I would agree that Atlanta is better than Tamps but if we have the same results from those respective games, all in scheduling is equal.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Will Herring?
He plays special teams…
Seneca will never be an elite QB..if you’re honest to yourself, you realize that
Herring plays substitute LB
But yeah mainly special teams.
Seneca isn’t an elite QB so I don’t get that. He just needs to perform like he did last year and win the game if Hass goes down.
Last year he had Koren Robinson and Courtney Taylor. This year he has Burleson and Houshmazode.
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
All I am saying
Is that you have just as many holes in your team as you did last year. They are all just in different areas
Not denying we have holes
Our secondary depth is not good and we still don’t have Trufant.
Special teams…we just suck.
But our team is improved from last year. No doubt.
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
Most of our holes came from our defensive line
Because the other team saw our DLs suck and the RBs went through the big hole. ;-)
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
Fine
I’ll give you that, you are improved. But “how much” is the question at hand. If you have your entire team healthy, then maybe you are contenders. But there is that IF as of right now
That's why they play the game
I respect the Niners defense a lot.
The offense? Not too sure about Raye.
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
Yeah
We’re liking Greg Knapp so far. He needed 1 game to do everything Holmgren didn’t (run trick plays, do a QB sneak, SCREEN PASS!!!).
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
I saw that
It must be exciting for your fans to have a dose of something of which you lacked for years.
There were a couple of questionable calls last week with Raye. For instance the 2 times he ran the ball 3 times in a row. I did not understand it at all. The last time he did it, may have been influenced by Singletary wanting to play field position. But I think you have to sometimes take risks to be great. We did that one time with Bruce on that 49 yarder after we drew your safeties in by using Vernon in the pass game. We’re okay with going to our check downs and letting them make plays with some YAC.
It’ll be interesting. But I did watch a large portion of your game against the Rams and I don’t think you were tested at all. I cannot see the Rams finishing higher than 32nd both in offense and defense this year. They may be the Lions of last year
When you fumble the opening kickoff
That’s a sign you’re doomed.
How often did Raye use screen passes?
He drew up a beautiful call to adjust to the blitz on the winning TD.
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
It was
a moderate usage of the screen passes but I have a feeling that will be increased this week. I am sure you will test Snyder on the right too with some blitzes…so if Hill can pick those up and audible at the right times, the screen pass may be useful. I think that you will see Vernon being utilized a bit more which could open things up for us down field. I know that Raye knows his X’s and O’s very well and is good at finding mismatches adn holes in the defense. We will be picking on Herring and Wislon. If we are smart, we will have taken notes on what the Vikings did last year when teams were stacking the box against AP.
We don’t have anywhere near the holes in the team as we did last year. Both of our lines are about 70% new, and that was our biggest problem last year. Our entire receiving core (except for Carlson) is new. Also, last year Seneca was hurt too, and we didn’t have a single WR that could catch. Anyway, Seahawks are a good team and the Niners are going to be shocked on Sunday….
Burleson and Branch are new?
That took me by storm.
Then again Branch never shows up to actually play a game so I guess he’s new.
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
Burleson went down in the first game last year
He’s playing this year and wasn’t last year. That’s close enough to new for me.
And he’s a weapon when he’s on the field. Don’t sleep on him.
How can he be new when he's been with us for 4 years?
"[Aaron] Curry is not a good pass-rusher" - Fearless Frog, 4/25/2009
So Shawntae Spencer is new too?
Since he got hurt last year in Seattle and missed the rest of the season. Guess it’s a good thing our secondary has so much depth at corner.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
The problem is that Shawntae Spencer has been mediocre forever and never made a strong push to ever look like a good corner.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Sep 18, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Except when he's played. Like last Sunday
I know one of his career INTs came against, what’s his name… the QB in Seattle. Hopefully he’ll gather another on Sunday.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
You can't sleep on anyone in the NFL
The Cards slept on Bruce last week and what happened? We saw that and threw a 50 yard bomb. So the people that are saying that Morgan and Bruce are non-threats, well I think that if your coaching staff thinks that, then they’re gonna have a rude awakening
Must win against seattle
I think coach Sing said it the best,“We have been 1-0 before”. If the niners are for real, they will beat Seattle here at home. I like Hill, he rises up to the occasion (just like Joe? well maybe not just yet). In practice he was missing that 50 yards pass he hit to Bruce during the game, his focus Intensifies under pressure, just what we needed.
The fact that Seattle beat the Rams means little, the seahawks need to prove something also, so it may come down to another 4th quarter drive by Hill to win the game.
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