Projecting the 49ers 53-man roster #4
As the preseason rolls along, more and more positional battles are won, meaning more and more folks lock up roster spots. For example, yesterday's release of Damon Huard not only locks in Nate Davis's roster spot, but as far as I'm concerned, it removes him from our last 5 on list. I'd imagine it's not a major concern to Nate, but still worth considering.
As you'll notice, I've bumped down Bear Pascoe to last 5 on. Maiocco rolled out his 53-man roster projection (feel free to compare with mine) and actually went with J.J. Finley as the third tight end. He based his decision on the fact that Finley is getting the lion's share of playing time, although he admitted he's not completely sold on that pick. I can see why he might pick Finley, but for now I'm gonna stick with Bear, albeit rather tenuously. I've listed Finley as one of the first 5 off because honestly nobody else really jumps out at me for that list.
Offense
QB (3): Shaun Hill, Alex Smith, Nate Davis
RB (4): Frank Gore, Glen Coffee, Michael Robinson, Kory Sheets
FB (1): Moran Norris
WR (6): Isaac Bruce, Brandon Jones, Josh Morgan, Jason Hill, Arnaz Battle, Dominique Zeigler
TE (3): Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Bear Pascoe
LT (2): Joe Staley, Barry Sims
LG (1): David Baas
C (2): Eric Heitmann, Cody Wallace
RG (2): Chilo Rachal, Tony Wragge
RT (2): Adam Snyder, Alex Boone
Defense
DE (5): Justin Smith, Kentwan Balmer, Demetric Evans, Isaac Sopoaga, Ray McDonald
DT (1): Aubrayo Franklin
OLB (4): Manny Lawson, Parys Haralson, Ahmad Brooks, Marques Harris
ILB (4): Patrick Willis, Takeo Spikes, Jeff Ulbrich, Scott McKillop
CB (5): Nate Clements, Dre Bly, Tarell Brown, Shawntae Spencer, Marcus Hudson
FS (2): Dashon Goldson, Mark Roman
SS (2): Michael Lewis, Reggie Smith
Special Teams
K: Joe Nedney
P: Andy Lee
LS: Brian Jennings
KR/PR: Allen Rossum
Last 5 on: Ahmad Brooks, Kory Sheets, Dominique Zeigler, Alex Boone, Bear Pascoe
First 5 off: Jay Moore, J.J. Finley, Curtis Taylor, Ricky Jean-Francois, Micheal Spurlock
After the jump, I include a practice squad projection and some further thoughts...
Practice Squad (8): TE J.J. Finley, OLB Jay Moore, FS Curtis Taylor, DL Ricky Jean-Francois, FB Brit Miller, OLB Diyral Briggs, G/C Matt Spanos, DL Khalif Mitchell
I doubt Crabtree signs when the practice squad is first put together, but if he signs before the season, I'm thinking he gets Zeigler's roster spot and Zeigler gets to use his last year of practice squad eligibility. The Crabtree situation definitely makes the wide receiver decisions a little more difficult...if not now then at some point.
Maiocco's 53-man projection, as compared to my own, is particularly interesting for a couple of reasons. Under running backs he lists six, with the last being "Unnamed Fullback Not on Roster." I find that rather interesting given Michael Robinson's occasional use as a fullback. I'm curious what fullback that is. Lorenzo Neal? Is he considering Brit Miller "not on the roster" at that point? Although fullback isn't a glamorous position, I find myself immensely curious by what Maiocco means with that. I even shot him a tweet about it. Anybody have any thoughts on this?
The other major area where we differed was at offensive tackle. Maiocco had Alex Boone on his practice squad and Barry Sims as the only backup tackle, basically acting as a swing tackle. I know how most people here feel about Barry Sims, and since the retirement of Marvel Smith, I figured Boone had moved into much safer territory. This kind of has me wandering back to his unnamed fullback. Is it necessary to grab another fullback over a second backup offensive tackle? Riddle me that....
Other than that our 53-man rosters don't differ all that much. That is primarily due to the fact that the 49ers are in a position where they have sufficient talent to actually fill a 53-man roster (unlike a few years back). Following the departure of Damon Huard (making Davis a lock), probably 46 of the roster spots are close to locks. Non-locks on top of the last five on might include Marques Harris and Marcus Hudson. So not exactly a lot there.
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Finley will beat out
Pascoe. He’s a stud and way better than Bajema was for us last season. Eric Green may well earn a spot — he’s aggressive and always around the ball. Spanos could be a surprise. Solid player. Diyral Biggs is a sleeper.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Sep 2, 2009 8:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My take
I think Pascoe might beat out Finley more because there’s a higher chance of his getting plucked off the practice squad than because he deserves it. I think the niners would like to keep both players around.
I don’t agree about the other FB. The only reason they’d take another one is if Moran Norris was injury prone (he isn’t). Backup FBs have to justify their place on the team by being good special teamers (like Keasey was) and that doesn’t usually fit the mold of bruising lead blocker. I don’t think Miller will make the roster but I do think he’ll be on the practice squad and available to be bumped up to the 53 if needed.
I do think Boone will make it unless the team signs a veteran tackle or picks one up on waivers after the cut down, something I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see.
I’m about done with Sims, though I don’t think the team feels the same way.
Apart from that, I’d like to see Marques Harris and Demetric Evans’ roster spots go to Jay Moore and RJF respectively, though I don’t feel particularly optimistic that that will happen.
I know a lot of people would much rather see Curtis Taylor on the roster than Roman but I really don’t think that will happen, especially with Lewis’ concussions. Roman may not be flashy but right now he’s the best starting option at SS outside of Lewis.
WR is tricky, I’m worried that Hill might get cut, even though I think he finally started to show some stuff last season. Ironically for someone that was drafted because he was a burner, Hill seems to have developed into a solid sideline possession receiver who is clutch on 3rd downs. I like Ziggy too, but he’d probably be ok on the PS when Crabs signs (am I the only one who thinks that might not happen before week 1?).
Spurlock is good but really, in the grand scheme of things I don’t think he’s that special, there are a lot of players that can do what he does. He’ll probably find a job somewhere and more power to him.
Marcus Hudson seems safe for one last year but if I was him I’d really relish this year because I think some new blood might displace him next offseason.
by foosball4949 on Sep 2, 2009 8:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Forgot Diyral Briggs...
I really, really like this kid but I think he wouldn’t lose anything by being a practice squad player for at least the beginning of the year. He still has a lot to learn and isn’t polished enough to be put on another team’s 53. Probably wouldn’t see game action anytime soon…
by foosball4949 on Sep 2, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After week Three.....
I just watched the re-run of the cowboys game last night on NFL network at my local hooters since im in Ohio and this is what I saw. Going down the list…..
Nate Davis impressed the crap out of me. Arm strength was good. Granted, he was going against the backups but he looked strong (after that screen that was awful). I like him and i admit to not being a fan of the pic initially. Its funny because i talked to a girl that went to high school with him (hes from ohio) and she said he is as dumb as a box of rocks.
Kory Sheets has got to make this team. He runs hard and gives us that much needed change of pace. I think he should be more time returning kicks. I will be seriously disappointed if he doesnt make it.
Coffee on the other hand needs serious work on his pass protection. I almost think that sheets could be a better third down type back than Coffee.
I love Brit Miller. He cracks me up. He celebrates on every run sheets has i think. Maybe my new favorite guy to cheer for. I really hope we find a spot for him on the practice squad.
Wide Receivers- Morgan didnt look great but im obviously not worried. Brandon Jones from all accounts looks like a staple of the future. Hopefully, (soon) we have Crabtree coming into the mix and that, my friends, is our future. Everything else is pretty irrelevant to me. I understand Zeigler fans are out there in full force but despite how good he might be i dont ever see him getting the chance to prove it. He has hands, i’ll give him that but nothing he does destinguishes him from the others. I think he should be a gonner. Jason Hill could be in our future but once again i dont think it is possible for him to be top 5 on our team. He hasnt shown much this preseason and i dont ever see him playing in front of Morgan, Jones, or Crabtree. That brings me to my man Arnaz “dont ever doubt me again Niner Nation” Battle. That is A-R-N-A-Z “oh crap the offense is in trouble better throw to sure catch” Battle. Now I know a lot of you were calling for his spot to be taken once cuts came and you were wrong. And I’m going to say it now, unless he demands too much money in order to get out and find a team where he is even more of the game plan, we need to resign this guy. He will be our veteran after Bruce is gone and he is a great 4th WR. I know some of you want to give the spot to a guy with “potential” but potential only goes so far. Battle gets results. We have all the potential in the world in Jones, Morgan and Crabtree. We need Battle. I also am really cheering for Spurlock. He plays the slot the best and has a quicker step than Zeigler. He can also return and an option for Tazer.
TE goes to Finley…. A year on the practice squad makes him better and pascoe aint going anywhere if we PS him.
I want Boone on the O line for potential but Spanos is now getting time at center and he was the best of the rest going in to the dallas game in my opinion. I wonder if this affects Wallace’s future?
I dont have as much to say about the defensive side. There are a few guys i have never been able to cheer for…. shawnte spencer, Franklin, and Lawson
Lawson in like beating a dead horse… he isnt going to get better and he better be gone next year… (i hope im wrong)
Franklin was helped off his back several times in the dallas game. Now i know sometimes you bite scratch and claw to affect a play and you end up there but he is just there too much. This has to be addressed in next years draft and i Hope Cody falls to us.
Spencer… i dont have to say much because Bly and Brown are going to keep him off the field. Brown brought the wood a few times and i think next year if we look corner in the first round Clements has two years left because that man gives up too many catches to get paid the way he does. He is nowhere close to a shutdown and it drive me nuts. He may be a good tackler but i dont pay a number one corner to tackle… i would rather have a guy that cover and cant tackle to save his life. We have pursuing LB’s for that.
Goldson… verdict is still out
McKillop… i like this guy even though i admit i was pulling for us to take Brinkley from my Gamecocks
by Qbgetter13 on Sep 2, 2009 8:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
one
other thing I noticed on that game. Coffee and Robinson each got lit up trying to pick up the blitz. each time led to a sack or a hurry. That won’t happen with with FG. I think if I was a linebacker I’m not sure which I would dread more – Frank Gore coming at me through a gap with his head down or Frank Gore waiting to light me up on blitz pickup
by save10 on Sep 2, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't give up on Lawson
He needs to be correctly utilized and he needs to continue working on pass rush moves. It may be that he’s better as a LB in coverage or blitzing off the edge where he can use his speed come unblocked or only be blocked by a RB. Perhaps he’s better in a 4-3.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 2, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ok....
We’ve been saying that for too long…. if you watch the dallas game he flat out runs into the tackle and then he is done for the play… he doesnt have moves… or at least i dont see him use them on film…. this lawson experiment should not take this long
by Qbgetter13 on Sep 2, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
When you say too long, he missed 14 games in his second year and last year was coming off the injury while barely playing. The first year he was a rookie. He hasn’t really had time. Now, I’m not pleased with what I’ve seen thus far but I want a full season on healthy Manny before I declare anything.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 2, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree, but..
I mean.. Manny has, for one reason or another, been a favorite of mine. I’m not entirely sure why.. but this season is the last straw. Actually, this season isn’t. The first say, six games of this season are. I want production.
by Ninjames on Sep 2, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and on a side note....
I got to believe michael Robinson’s days are numbered….. we have the rookie running backs who are good… we have the fullbacks…. we have tazer options in battle and spurlock…. i cant get someone else to be a special teams captain… ha
by Qbgetter13 on Sep 2, 2009 9:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he's
not going anywhere this year. or maybe even next year. He’s like another old #24 – Harry Sidney. He was always on the team.
by save10 on Sep 2, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sidney!
There’s a name I forgot!
by Bob On The Coast on Sep 2, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a great special teamer and will work well in the Niners' version of the wildcat,
he used to run the option at Penn a bit and has a decent arm. I think his versatility will keep him on this team for a long time.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
by moproblemz on Sep 2, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's going nowhere
Emergency #4 QB, plays FB and RB, FB on punt block, up-back on kickoff returns and best option for the taser/wild cat. As someone noted below, he’s similar to Harry Sydney (great knowledge save10!).
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 2, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Miller makes the roster ...
… because, as a London resident, it would achieve my ambition of seeing a Brit play for the 49ers ;)
by LondonNiner on Sep 2, 2009 9:53 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I like
Michael Spurlock. But I guess there are many players who can do what he can do. But how about the Michael Crabs situation? Who doesnt make the team when he is signed? Maybe that fourth running back?
Quote of the year "I want to wear a Dwight Clark jersey to the new cowboy stadium."
by Tony C on Sep 2, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No.
Zeigler, Harris, McKillop or Ulbrich. Not any of the running backs.
by Ninjames on Sep 2, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zeigler/Spurlock
McKillop and Ulbrich aren’t going anywhere. The former is the future after Spikes, the latter provides depth and is good on special teams. Also, in a 3-4 you gotta have LBs.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 2, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
I know what McKillop is to this team, but we could afford to ‘Squad him for a season. As far as making room for Crabby goes, that’d be the order methinks. Though I know it’ll be Zeigler. Maybe Allen Rossum if we have Spurlock and like him enough.
by Ninjames on Sep 2, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
McKillop would get claimed on the waiver wire
To use that of used phrase, “he’s a football player”… and “a play maker.” You don’t let those guys go.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 2, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point was
I can’t see anybody else going to get Crabtree on, but it won’t extend that far so I’m not sure what I’m getting at here. :[
by Ninjames on Sep 2, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the first time in a number of seasons
I really wish rosters carried 54 or 55 players. They’re a couple of players I don’t want to risk waiving. That’s certainly an improvement.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 2, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really disagree
McKillop looks like a player. There’s at least 10 guys I’d consider waiving before him. You’d keep someone like Marques Harris or Demetric Evans over McKillop?
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 2, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Hell no I wouldn’t. I dislike both Harris and Evans. I’m not speaking from my own standpoint. If it was up to me Evans and Harris would both already be on the way out.
by Ninjames on Sep 2, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
I thought you were giving your opinion on who should be the first guys off the roster. My mistake. I still say McKillop is not on the bubble though.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 2, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My question
Is who wins the battle to wear jersey #30: Smith or Sheets? Will it be a seniority thing? Waiting to see…
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 2, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
good, I'm not the only one wondering that.
by foosball4949 on Sep 2, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally threw me in the 1st game
Especially since Smith was #31 last year but now that’s Bly. I actually though Bly’s INT was Smith.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 2, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a
test of skills and wits would be sweet
round 1) nutcracker
round 2) rock paper scissors
round 3) smith vs. sheets in madden (or NCAA purdue vs. oklahoma)
round 4) karaoke
round 5) some sort of eating contest involving spice foods (ala Man vs. Food)
aggregate scoring to determine winner
I think in reality the person who is most senior gets it….Smith in this case
by save10 on Sep 2, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dance Off to wear #30
I believe in Posey.
by 49er16 on Sep 2, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Fullback Currently Not on the Roster"
The Packers will likely keep only two of their three fullbacks. The 49ers could pick up the one they cut, John Kuhn or Korey Hall (not likely to be rookie Quinn Johnson).
Brit Miller is likely to be a PS guy for now, but I like his pass-catching.
by garygnu on Sep 2, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cough shamelessplug cough
Just thought I’d throw my projection out there, ya know. Differs only slightly.
by Ninjames on Sep 2, 2009 12:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Delaine Walker didn't make Maiocco's roster?
by Mullester on Sep 2, 2009 1:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What happened to
Moran Norris?
Quote of the year "I want to wear a Dwight Clark jersey to the new cowboy stadium."
by Tony C on Sep 2, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
where has he been
in preseason?
Quote of the year "I want to wear a Dwight Clark jersey to the new cowboy stadium."
by Tony C on Sep 2, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With projected 60% running
I’d expect Sheets to be on the squad. No way can they afford to lose him. I can see where Maiocco might think that they’d need another fullback if they’re doing all that running, but they could also do a little Black Angus thing and have one of the linemen take some reps at the fullback spot. But really, with Robinson on the active squad and Miller probably on the practice squad having Norris the only official fullback active per game is probably enough.
By the way, does anyone think it’s possible to run a true 60-40 run/pass offense?
by Bob On The Coast on Sep 2, 2009 3:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not unless your team is really good
So your always running out the clock.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 2, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
Of the most run based teams last season none reached 60%. Even Carolina, 12-4 with two very good RBs an over the hill QB who was average at best and an old defense that could use some rest didn’t make that number. I think it’s more about goals and mentality. I think the ideal is 55/45 run if your talent is more based in your running game, 55/45 passing when that is your talent. For example, I believe Bill Walsh’s offense was 55/45 favored to passing, but he was a great play caller, had a future HOF QB yet also tended to have the lead late in games. His philosophy was throw to set up the pass. Sing is going with more of a Parcells and old Steelers trend of running to set up the pass. But, since we’re not likley to be 13-3, there are going to be some games where we throw more than run and most will be losses. My guess is that in games that we win were there is no come from behind rally in the 4th, we’ll be close to 60/40 on those days.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 2, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His philosophy was throw to set up the pass.
That sounds a lot more like Sean Payton’s philosophy.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Sep 3, 2009 2:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They Must Change The Practice Squad Rules
I don’t think its fare that teams that drafted well and are deep at certain positions should be penalized for that. The waiver system regarding that is incredibly flawed. The NFL isn’t like MLB where teams like the Dodgers and Yankees can stack up on talent with little thought about the financial aspect. So in many cases teams that draft well are put into a position to either have to cut veterans to make room for low round draft picks or risk placing those rookies through the waiver system before they can be put on the practice squad. It’s not like teams are stashing away multi million dollar contracts in the practice squad. Most of the time they are either low level picks or rookie free agents. For example there remains a chance that the 49ers will be penalized for having a good off-season in terms of rookie evaluations. Due to our depth we may be forced to lose players like Ricky-Jean Francois, Curtis Taylor, Bear Pascoe, Alex Boone, Kory Sheets, Terrell Lambert and Britt Miller. Why should we be penalized for great scouting, draft picks and evaluation of rookie free agents?
by nocal81 on Sep 2, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because
It’s unfair to the players to make them sit on the Niners practice squad when they could see real playing time with another team.
Really, I think your overplaying it. There’s garbage veterans on the roster like Sims and Roman, if guys like Boone and Taylor really can be players in this league they will make the team over those guys.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 2, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not
I disagree how we are bashing Roman so much, why not keep him since it seems he is probably a better ss then at fs, and also keep Jhill-if you look at last years games he looks alot like a young Isaac Bruce, well to me atleast, he just needs to give it his all on the next game that is all.
by Lyken84 on Sep 2, 2009 8:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
At least two losses a year
Can be attributed solely to Mark Roman. One game at SS isn’t enough to convince me he’s good, either.
by Ninjames on Sep 2, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
Both of those guys are on the roster projection.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 2, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More likely an additional OT than FB.
I think MM is missing the boat with his additional FB theory. If another player is brought in it would probably be another OT like Runyon to back up at RT with Boone going to the PS (he’s not ready yet). Which means somebody gets pushed off the PS, my guess being J.J. Finley because TEs are pretty easy to find. Other than that and the question of who gets bumped at WR when Crabtree signs (Zeigler goes to PS, Spurlock gets released), I think Fooch has it nailed. The Huard release cleared things up a lot by freeing his roster spot.
by MontanaPass on Sep 3, 2009 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Practice Squad???
With a release of Spurlock and Price there will be room for Crabtree ( IF HE SIGNS ) IF NOT THEN trade the rights to Crabtree to Denver and get a proven reciever in Brandon Marshall!!! i would also release OLDER THAN DIRT ISSAC BRUCE AND KEEP BRIT MILLER AT BACK UP FULL BACK!!! He showed good hands and speed for a one time Linebacker!!! BATTLE IS A SOLID # 3 RECIEVER ALL HE DOES IS MAKE PLAYS!!!!!
by slammin on Sep 3, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
can't trade Crabtree
We can’t trade his rights anymore. Deadline passed two weeks ago
by Fooch on Sep 3, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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