San Francisco 49ers 23 - Seattle Seahawks 10: Frank Gore is truly a one-man offense
by Fooch on Sep 20, 2009 4:25 PM PDT
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Well then, it certainly is easy to forget the week 1 rushing performance after a game like this. The 49ers currently sit at 2-0 thanks to a mostly stellar defensive performance, but just as importantly, an epic Frank Gore performance. The announcers mentioned the impressive percentages of 2-0 teams making the playoffs (something like 65%). Of course, in 2007 the 49ers beat Arizona and St. Louis to start the season before completely collapsing under the weight of expectations. Personally, this 2-0 start feels significantly better than that 2-0 start. The passing offense has been pretty atrocious so far, but this team just brings something else to the table.
The Good
Frank Gore: What needs to be said that the above picture doesn't show? Frank Gore caught the Seahawks completely off guard, ripping the interior for 79- and 80-yard touchdown runs. While the 49ers passing attack was truly abysmal for about 95% of the game, Gore stepped up and carried this offense today. 16 carries for 207 yards and 2 long touchdowns? Yea, I'll take that. He's provided two extremes in the first two weeks of the season, so we'll see how he stacks up against a stout Minnesota Vikings defense next week.
Nate Clements/Shawntae Spencer: People were calling for #22's head in the preseason as he was looking absolutely atrocious against some scrub wide receivers. I think we can say he was probably just messing around, working on some new stuff in the preseason. After a solid performance in week 1, Clements came up with another huge performance. And while it is always fun seeing him provide great coverage, I really like watching him make big open field tackles. As for Shawntae Spencer? He's showing Greg Manusky to be an absolute genius for starting him over Dre Bly. The best part is the depth Bly has provided at the nickel back role.
Isaac Bruce: He was quiet for the first half of the game, but then stepped up with a pair of huge third down conversions in that long drive in the second half. Isaac Bruce no longer shows a ton of flash, but he has been Mr. Consistency for the 49ers and is proving to be Shaun Hill's security blanket on offense.
Play-calling: I include the play-calling in the good because I really felt like the offense mixed things up a little more. Part of this comes from the success of the rushing game, but it just seemed like a slightly more varied offense. Of course, as The Bad shows, there's one part of the offense that can get tossed in the trash.
Joe Nedney: Just so absolutely money. Makes me forget the days of Jose Cortez and Jeff Chandler.
Moran Norris: Norris is a solid blocker, but he made some huge plays rushing and receiving today. Norris quietly goes about his business, but that swing pass for the first down and the 14 yard rush later were big on that drive.
After the jump we look at the bad, the ugly and next week's battle with the Fightin Favres...
The Bad
The Offensive Line: The Gore runs were great and the line did show improvement in week 2 (thus the upgrade from The Ugly to The Bad). But they definitely have their work cut out for them. Tony Pashos did get into the game in the first half and was a mixed bag. He made some big blocks, but he also let his man by him for a sack and had a holding penalty on that last field goal drive.
The Taser: Yea, the 49ers version of the Wildcat is just not good. They did have Vernon Davis wide open on that Spurlock pass and maybe Michael Robinson makes that play. Nonetheless it really wasn't even remotely pretty. Not sure how useful it is rolling that out anymore. Does anybody really have to remain honest on it?
The Ugly
Shaun Hill: It's great that Hill won, but we need to call a spade a spade here. Hill struggled in the passing game. He did manage some big completions on that long drive, but otherwise he didn't a whole lot of much. If the 49ers are going to do some damage in the NFL this year, he's going to need to step up at some point and make some plays.
Seahawks Injuries: I think the 49ers were definitely the better team today, but those injuries to the Seahawks just mount and mount. It's amazing how banged up they've become.
Next Week
@ Minnesota - Things get a whole lot of interesting next week as our 49ers head into Minnesota, setting up a showdown of a pair of 2-0 teams. The biggest storyline, in terms of what the media likes to latch on to, is yet another matchup against Brett Favre. The Brett Favre retirement tour apparently always goes through the 49ers. While the divisional wins are probably more important, this is definitely one of Maiocco's GPS games. The last time these two teams squared off, the 49ers shut down Adrian Peterson. Of course Chester Taylor lit them up, so it kind of defeats the purpose.
The real question in my mind is how the rushing attack (and the offensive line as a whole) stands up to the solid Vikings defense. The Williams Wall will be in the house, so we'll see if Gore can get anything going next week.
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Great game...
Nice to have a win streak early. Now let’s see how this carries into week 3.
I shudder to think this offense without Gore.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 4:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Thank GOD
We don’t have to rely on Hill’s arm to win games!! He has some sort of mental block that doesn’t allow him to play or throw the ball correctly until the game is on the line! But when it counted, Hill made the throws. I don’t know if it was the Seahags defense that made Hill look bad or if he did it himself. He missed way too many wide open passes, checked down far too often when receivers were open down field, and nearly caused the entire Niner Nation to have a heart attack with his lackluster play. Just win baby!! But could you win with a little more confidence throwing the ball? I am frightened every time Hill goes back to pass. The sack/strip on the one drive in the 3rd was totally Hill’s fault. He held onto the ball WAY too long. The rest of the team is playing outta their minds! Hill needs to step up his game! Somebody give Nate Davis the ball and let him warm up for some reps on the sideline! Maybe if Hill sees that, he will pick up his game to match the intensity of the rest of the players. But I shouldn’t be complaining, because the NINERS ARE WINNING !!
Another thing I noticed is we really didn’t blitz. Even after Hassleback left the game (I posted yesterday that he would leave the game on a stretcher… he was able to leave the field under his own power…) the Niners brought no blitz pressure on the SeaHags QB’s. They rushed 4 all game long for the most part and didn’t get much in the way of pressure on Hassleback or Wallace. Russhing just 4 WORKED, don’t get me wrong, but it seemed to me that rushing only 4 put a lot of extra pressure on our defensive backfield (which along with the rest of the defense is looking top 10 for sure now). I think if we had blitzed on a few of those 3rd downs that the SeaHags converted, we would have stopped them more often on 3rd down. Especially when they have their back up QB in the game, conventional wisdom would be to try and create extra pressure on a backup coming into a pressure cooker game. Again, I am nitpicking!! Hill needs to look long and hard at the films of this game and work on his throwing so he can get it right before we go into Minney.
If the Defense gives Farve that kinda time in the pocket, we will get KILLED. Different week calls for different plan. Farve is like Warner, not too mobile, and so easier to pressure. I cant WAIT to see Adrien Peterson vs Patric Willis !!! That will be a clash of the TITANS !! But that is next week. As for this week, Great Job NINERS !!!!!
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Sep 20, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Man!!!
Hill played a good game, he wasn’t asked to do much and he wont be asked to do much. He made ZERO mistakes and did what was asked of him. 9-3 as a starter, can you ask for more?
by nocal81 on Sep 20, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sooooo tired of that 9-3 argument...
The only reason why Hill is a starter is because nobody else on the roster is “playable” at this point. Hill didn’t win this game. Gore and the defense did.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well he didn’t “lose” the game for us either. he gave the team a chance to win by not turning the ball over and making some completions at key times. you act like its a granted that the qb won’t throw some interceptions, or give up some fumbles in a game. how many times did we lose a game last year because of turnovers?
by randolphforpresident on Sep 20, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Not An Argument.
I am not debating anything man. I am simply stating his record as a 49er starting QB. That cannot be argued, avoided or discounted in anyway. It is simple fact and the sooner you recognize that the better.
by nocal81 on Sep 20, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
9-3 as starter...
in 3 seasons, and we have chronicled how those wins came about.
I recognize that. You don’t.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Care
How the wins came. THE FACT IS THAT HE IS 2-0 THIS SEASON, AND HAS WON 6 OF THE LAST 7 IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN. HE IS ALSO 6-0 AT HOME!!!
It seems you care more about style points then you do wins!!!!
by nocal81 on Sep 20, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because...
This win was defense, and Gore.
Putting that w-l stat out while trying to justify a marginal QB is a reach. Nobody, but nobody else but a 49er homer qualifies using that as a barometer of QB performance. Chad Pennington was 11-5 last year, in one season.
Yeah, 9-3 over 3. Nice.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did He Start The Game?
Did the 49ers win the game? Enough said. Hill has been a winner for this team and for you to discount that is under truly a mistake at this point.
by nocal81 on Sep 20, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
You cannot argue his record so you attempt to call me a “homer” or use some other false negative. What is Hill’s record as a starting QB for the 49ers again? Your point is falling on deaf ears as it should.
9-3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Sep 20, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you read the Pennington stat?
Does this clue you in on something?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win or no
I have less and less faith in Hill’s abilities as this team’s QB every week that I see him play.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Sep 20, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he definitely needs to shown signs of improvement
What’s the point of having WRs if we never throw the ball deep?
There was a lot of dinking today, that’s for sure (and not by the kool-aid man).
by Andrew Davidson on Sep 20, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd generally agree with you, but...
Your specific argument boils down to, “I’m tired of your fact, so let me offer my unsubstantiated opinion.”
As I actually agree with you about a qb’s win pct being overblown in general, two helpful revisions to your rhetoric:
1) Just as hill doesn’t win games, neither do gore and/or the defense. The team wins, with specific individuals and units contributing to the win in varying degrees. I don’t think hill should get ALL the credit for 9-3, but neither should he get none of it.
2) Like you, I would generally dismiss the 9-3 argument — which must be another one of those pesky, questionable “statistical facts” that I know you love to hate. However, in the specific case of hill and the niners, it actually is a good argument because hill vs. any other recent niner qb is about as scientifically rigorous an experiment as you can get in football.
What do I mean? During the game, the fox crew mentioned how, since the beginning of 2007, the other niner qbs have gone 5-17, as compared to hill’s 9-3. That’s basically twice the wins in half the games, spead out over multiple coaches, multiple personnel, multiple opponents etc., that are very similar to the coaches/personnel/opponents experienced by other niner qbs the past 2+ seasons. In other words, hill’s massively higher winning percentage has come in a variety of niner situations, which were similar to the various situations experienced by other recent niner qbs. Further, it’s not like hill is more physically talented than that group of qbs, or was drafted higher, so those too can’t be the reason he’s won more.
Long story short, there really seems to be something to hill’s 9-3 record that goes beyond what you (and I) would, in other contexts, be right to bring up as reasons to dismiss it.
Hope this makes sense. I’d agree the 9-3 argument is bunk, if only it didn’t seem to have such strong quasi-experimental evidence to support it. Of course, it’s not like the people who make the 9-3 argument are thinking about scientific methodology. They’re just like, “hill’s 9-3, so he must be a good niner qb,” which, though usually a total misinterpretation of that stat, seems to actually be sound reasoning in this specific context, albeit sound AND lucky.
by Florida Danny on Sep 20, 2009 8:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Gore 12 Seattle 10
Gore did win the game today, fact. ;)
Just kidding around of course.
by Andrew Davidson on Sep 20, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if Hill's gonna be compared..
To a whole ‘nother list of recent horrid 49er QB play and players, the we’re really saying he is playing just above the lowered bar of JTO, Wienke, Dilfer, Smith, Rattay (who really was a better QB than Hill is) Pickett, etc.
If I left any other recent horrid QB out, excuse me if I did.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes...
…we are comparing him to recent horrid 49er qbs. Again, the point I’m making isn’t that the 9-3 record means hill is a “good” qb. The point is that (a) he is objectively better than that horrid group; and (b) the 9-3 argument (or any argument along the lines of "qb x is better than qb y because he had a better win pct), although generally BS (as you correctly imply), is actually a valid argument in this specific context. That’s all. No more, no less.
Obviously, the niners would be better w/ brees, manning, brady, et al., but they’re not on the roster…which was basically your original point if I read it correctly. I agree. Just think you shouldn’t immediately dismiss 9-3 (as it specifically relates to hill and the niners) when arguing that otherwise correct point.
by Florida Danny on Sep 20, 2009 10:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
But Danny
I think we all know Hill is better than those guys. But the thing is being better than them isn’t good enough.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 21, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see where you're coming from..
But a lot of those wins came late into the season, and only one win (outside of this season) was against a playoff bound team who mailed it in.
This is the season that would qualify Hill as a true starter. I throw everything out the window because for the first time in Hill’s career, he is the de-facto starter from camp on, and even that’s not true.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 22, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill is very solid
Let’s look at what he brings to the table
1. Few turnovers
2. High Completion percentage
3. A 9-3 record
4. A leader when it matters
About #4, he lead a gw drive last week, against washington and st.louis last year. 3/3 in his last 3 gw drive oppertunities. The guy gets the job done. Furthermore, there are teams that look for good players and then there are teams that look to replace bad players. To be a team that looks to replace bad players, you need to be a championship contending team. If Hill is the only thing preventing a ring, then we’ll dump him. Until then, lets go Shaun Hill!
It is said that Patrick Willis was genetically engineered from the DNA of Chuck Norris and Black Jesus.
by montasmob69 on Sep 21, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
He’s good enough to not be the focus of what needs to be upgraded. I was all for the Crabtree pick, though of course who knew about the signability issue?
"The questions are so stupid. I don't believe in rivalries. I don't believe in curses. Wake up the damn Bambino, maybe I'll drill him in the ass."
- Pedro Martinez, asked about the Curse of the Bambino
by achiappanza on Sep 21, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mangini?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 21, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truth is
No, we cant ask for more. I don’t know if he has “More” to give us. I believe he is giving us his best effort. That is all we can really ask for. 9-3 is better than what the previous occupants of his position gave us. We are gonna ride Shawn Hill all the way if necessary! But it would be nice if he developed an efficient passing game with his wide receivers, not just dump offs to the running backs. I am not complaining! Hill is OK for now. He is a 2-0 QB and leading his division. Not a lot to complain about there. He hasn’t cost them any games with picks or turnovers! That is a big positive. Lets hope for steady improvement in the passing game while watching our top 5 defense snuff the rest of the league with the best linebackers in the league and a defensive backfield that is really stepping up to the challange!
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Sep 20, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have seen
Hill make some pretty decent throws downfield…. I hate that Niner fans (or those who call themselves that) dislike one of the leaders of our team. How disloyal
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop...
or leave.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You telln me to leave???
I have just as much right to be here as you….If not more. This is “Niners Nation” last I checked.
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have no right..
To question anybody’s “loyalty” when you get butt hurt over something you don’t agree with, or have an infatuation with. You add nothing with your comment. You have added nothing with your vitriolic spam towards the people you don’t see things the way you do. It’s really juvenile, and if you want to argue the merits of Hill, then there are a lot of places where you can go that have the opposite of your, and you will get your head handed to you because you don’t know what the heck you’re talking about.
If you don’t like it, too bad. But man up and back up your BS. Questioning someone’s loyalty is bush, and being a sandy vagina as well.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here we go again with the maturity
I just think there’s two types of people that God put on this planet…those who see the positive side of things and dwell on those things and those who are pesimistic a.ka. realist…or whatever you call youselves.
I think Hill played exceptional. I am sure that there are people that are in the Hall of Fame that have had games like this. Hill has no receivers besides Vernon. I think if Hill had John Taylor and Jerry Rice to throw to, then his numbers would definitley be alot different. He gets the ball downfield and he has come from behind to win on more than one occasion. I am not saying that you have to like him, hell there were plenty of doubters when Montana replaced Steve DeBerg back in the day. I just see somthing in Hill that apparently you and “others” dont.
To each there own. I’m done with you and your name calling. I have not stooped to that level. And I for sure think I have demonstrated that I do belong here more than you if you cannot refrain.
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boo frickin' Hoo...
That’s all I have to say about that.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because you don't deserve anything more.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would enjoy reading these threads a lot more if you weren’t involved in them.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Sep 21, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's because..
I’M on the drums. =)
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 21, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are both missing the point
The only thing Hill did wrong was not win the game with his arm. He didn’t lose the game either, but I thought we’ve all come to an agreement that wins are not a QB stat.
Bottom Line: Hill had 144 yards passing, 0 TDs, 0 INTs, 73.1% completion, and an 86.1 QB Rating. Gore had 207 yards (on 16 attempts) with 2 TDs and lead the team in catches and yards (5 for 39). Hill also had a nice 18 yards scramble, but also nearly lost a fumble on a sack.
by Andrew Davidson on Sep 20, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing Hill didn't do wrong..
Was turn the ball over with an INT.
Exceptional QB play is Drew Brees. Marginal QB play is Shaun Hill.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s no doubting that. Hill only put up 26 passes, and a 5.5 ypa is rather marginal indeed.
by Andrew Davidson on Sep 20, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing Hill didn’t do wrong..
Are you serious with that comment? Talk about negativity. The guy went 19-26 with two dropped passes and all you have to say is “The only thing Hill Didn’t do wrong was turn the ball over with and INT”
Negative nancy parading around on this thread.
Let me ask you a question. What did Hill do wrong today? Please answer that for me because providing a false negative in that comment is beyond my comprehension and must be opposed by any realistic individual
by nocal81 on Sep 20, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His delivery..
of the ball caused a few balls to be batted, he held on to the ball too long on a few plays, he fumbled once tat the 49ers recovered for a big loss, and he was generally mediocre most of the game.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His Delivery>
Who the hell cares about his delivery? Was Garcia the most conventional QB? I do agree regarding the fumble, he should have felt the pressure coming and tucked the ball closer to him. So that is the mistake you call? Generally mediocre? He moved the ball when he was asked to. Plus it isn’t his fault Nolan didn’t start him from day one last season. If he had we may have been looking at a playoff spot
by nocal81 on Sep 20, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delivery of the ball doesn't matter?..
It kinda did today.
Nice.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...I wonder if we watched the same game.
Who the hell cares about his delivery? Was Garcia the most conventional QB?
His delivery is a problem because it lowers is point of release – so even though he’s 6’3", the balls to come out as they would if they were being thrown by a 5’11" QB. A few of his pass attempts didn’t make it into the throwing lanes and were batted down at the line of scrimmage. Easy passes that get turned into incompletions and tipped balls are an issue for very obvious reasons.
Garcia’s release was unconventional because he often jumped during his motion in order to get the ball higher. While strange, it actually helped him overcome height issues that coaches worried about before he came into the league.
Generally mediocre? He moved the ball when he was asked to.
It would probably be more accurate to say that Frank Gore moved the ball when he was asked to. Outside of the two long runs, there wasn’t a single drive that got into the end zone – and even the one long drive in the 4th quarter consisted almost entirely of runs with a few easy-as-hell checkdown passes when Hill might have had guys open further down the field.
As has been mentioned, the game was called in a way that would minimize his impact on the game. When that’s the case, it’s pretty hard to completely botch everything – which it seems would be the only way that you’d ever come short of calling him a great QB.
Plus it isn’t his fault Nolan didn’t start him from day one last season.
Actually it kind of is. Say what you want about the pre-season QB competition last year, the fact is that Shaun Hill looked terrible in camp and during the exhibition snaps that he got.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Sep 20, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Now your defending Nolan. That’s epic!!!!!
You are all entitled to your opinions as am i. But i look at the record and am happy with it. Don’t need anyone bringing me down after this dominating victory. Sometimes i wonder about where some of your allegiance stands. I won’t name names or engage in childish rhetoric. I will allow the results to speak for themselves and so far they have for Hill during his 49er career. It really is that simple
by nocal81 on Sep 20, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to completely miss..
shlecko’s point.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh...
Yeah. That’s right. I’m “defending Nolan” by pointing out that Shaun Hill, as was reported a thousand times over by just about everyone that covered the competition, performed poorly in his chance to win the job last season.
Using arguments based on logic obviously makes me a disloyal fan. And a Nazi.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Sep 20, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont worry nocal
These guys are expecting 48/48 with 500 yards and 7 touchdowns a game…and until they get that from someone, they will be relentless in thier negativity. I am glad to see that at least some of the FAITHFUL are just that
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill is really...
John Elway in scrub clothing.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill is really..
Dan Marino trapped inside a Raye offense.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just can't resist..
can you =)
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry about it.
He’s discredited himself enough … just let him ramble on about how disloyal we all are for not declaring ourselves NFCW champs in week 2 in peace.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Sep 20, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exceptional
Can you let me know what was exceptional today? He made some solid passes, but exceptional? Just curious what leads you to that conclusion.
by Fooch on Sep 20, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the plays
that were pass plays….can you tell me how he wasnt??
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
pass plays
He made solid passes that any QB should be able to make. Not saying his completions were bad, but I don’t think you can qualify them as “exceptional.”
So now, I ask again, what made them exception?
by Fooch on Sep 20, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So last week
when Jake Delhomme threw 4 or 5 picks or whatever it was, he shoulda been able to make those…
He missed like 8 passes, two of which Bruce should have had….very efficient…I think that qualifies as exceptional…to me…but who am I right?
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exceptional
I think we have different definitions of exceptional.
by Fooch on Sep 20, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With
what they gave him…yes. I think he was superior. Gifted, whatever you wanna call it. That’s exceptional right?
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
No I don’t think it’s exceptional. We’ll just agree to disagree rather than keep going in circles.
by Fooch on Sep 20, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or...
When the 16 game season is up and he has LEAD us to the playoffs and maybe given a longer leash…well…his play will speak on this debate
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone is going to lead us into the playoffs it will be Frank Gore
That said, I kind of sympathize with you on the Shaun Hill thing.
I like Hill and he is doing just fine.
I think that with more playing time his pocket awareness will improve and he won’t walk into so many sacks.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 20, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the Gore comment
However, I think that alot of people here are failing to realize that we are still putting pieces together to make a championship run. Hill does not have a ton of weapons to go to, hence the high percentage passes. I think in time (when we get some help at WR) Hill will blossom nicely….especially because I think that Sing is developing and building solid confidence in Hill. Once those extra needed pieces come our way…we are going to be very dangerous. The passes Hill has gone down the field with have looked good to me
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
avoid the question much?
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
by 49erLou on Sep 20, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure
I answered it… Are you a stats guy too?
Key words, “with what they gave him”
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you did answer it
my bad
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
by 49erLou on Sep 20, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Singetary
is trying to develop his players (all of them) and I think that more and more, he will get more confidence in Hill. If we get some help with our recieving core…i.e. Crabtree…maybe Jones, then his numbers will go up. But right now, we have what we have and I do think Hill is exceptional for what he is working with
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exceptional? No!
But Drummer said “The only thing Hill didn’t do wrong was turn the ball over with an INT” C’mon fooch that is absolutely absurd and any realistic person knows that.
by nocal81 on Sep 20, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet...
you have no retort that makes sense.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Response Is What I Think You Mean
Response to what? I will not respond to baseless false negatives. You are proving absolutely nothing with your comments and even the untrained eye can see that
by nocal81 on Sep 20, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you don't...
Believe what you want to. Other’s that watch football differ in your opinion.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
Others who watch football differ in you opinion. I just look at the end result and am not worried about style points.
9-3 Overall
6-0 At Home
2-0 in 2009
THAT IS ALL I CARE ABOUT
by nocal81 on Sep 20, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good for you..
Being that Pennington won 11 in one season, I can see why that’s so important to you.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well there's your problem
As long as you continue to look at wins to judge a QB, you will continue to be bad at judging which one’s are any good.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 21, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Negative negative negative
Nothing good to say ever from you.
Are you secretly a Cowboys fan?
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you secretly a Cowboys fan?
This is not a useful thing to say. Stop questioning people’s loyalty when they disagree with you.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Sep 20, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think Hill played exceptional. I am sure that there are people that are in the Hall of Fame that have had games like this.
Uhhh….. Really though, Hill is just good enough to not lose. I mean I like the guy but be realistic.
by FiveAlarmFreddy on Sep 20, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol well put
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
by 49erLou on Sep 20, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you almost had a well reasoned argument
until the vagina comment
please stop with the insults, let’s keep this mature
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Sep 20, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry 'bout that..
I’ll refrain from the clear insults that are a response to someone trying to insult people’s intelligence.
I’ll keep it clean.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehe you said virgina
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
by 49erLou on Sep 20, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you seriously accusing someone else of being juvenile?
by randolphforpresident on Sep 20, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're talking to me..
Yes I did.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
drummer you're so goddamn stupid
If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.
by 9Custs on Sep 20, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
can everybody stop with the personal attacks?
Seriously.
by Fooch on Sep 20, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on man
He isnt a pro bowl QB. He is doing the best he can. We dont have any other options at this point on the roster. Lets celebrate the win. No one dislikes Hill. We all hope he performs well. The catches by wide receiver downfield are few and far between however. Those 2 receptions by Bruce were awesome and I hope that Hill can make more plays like those in the future.
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Sep 20, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the
two that Bruce dropped that Hill put right in his bread basket….Musta been HIll’s fault huh?
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree
Hill was 19/26 passing with two dropped passes. Apparently that isn’t good enough for some people on here. That is a joke!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Sep 20, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
19/26..
for 144.
Nice.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Is The System
No Shaun Hill. Maybe if they were to call some more downfield passes we would see more yards. Plus didn’t Bruce drop a 30+ pass?
YOU CAN’T BLAME HILL FOR RUNNING THE SYSTEM. WOULD YOU RATHER HE IGNORE THE PLAY CALLS AND GO ALL RENEGADE ON US?
by nocal81 on Sep 20, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL..
The system is designed to hide him, not exploit him. If it did, then you would be talking about a whole ’nother Shaun Hill.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The System Is Designed
To run the ball and use Frank Gore. You cannot attack Hill for not doing what isn’t asked of him. That is just crazy.
It would be like saying why didn’t Coffee break two 70 yard runs when he only touched the ball 9 times. What A Joke Man.
by nocal81 on Sep 20, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have a
Hins Ward and Santonio Homes to throw to
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or..
Roth’s arm either.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roth
is not exactly a polished QB…he gets lucky alot. But you know why Tomlin likes him? Cause he demonstrates leadership and he can rally his team to wins….wins….wins….wins.
Let me ask you this drummer? Would you rather see Hill throw 80% with 300-400 yards with 2 or 3 TD’s and lose the game?
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Faulty argument alert!
Let me ask you this drummer? Would you rather see Hill throw 80% with 300-400 yards with 2 or 3 TD’s and lose the game?
If he were to put up those numbers in a loss, it would likely be because the team faltered in other areas.
SIMILARLY:
If he were to put up numbers like 13-24 124 0 in a WIN – it would likely be because the team played very well in other areas.
Your situation basically amounts to having a good defense with a crappy QB or a good QB and a crappy defense.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Sep 20, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was trying
to make a point with him (drummer)…not sure if you followed the entire thread.
I think he is more concerned with the style of play rather than getting the W. To focus on the negative occasionally is okay; to focus on the negative consistantly and all the time is a drag
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This..
And If I were Tomlin, I wouldn’t start Hill over Roth either.
Since this is becoming hypothetical and all.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point has been made..
and I agreed with it.
What, logic doesn’t suit you?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't
answer my post about 6 or 7 posts up
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I did..
I don’t think you’re paying attention.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
weird
it didn’t show up on my end…
Anyway, It doesn’t seem like you are giving Hill the benefit of the doubt like you said you were doing. It seems like for some reason you just have some kind of vendeta against him and it won’t stop until he brings home a Superbowl…and I think even then, you may have something negative to say about him.
I like what Sing is doing in Hill’s development and I think when we get some weapons in at WR, the sky is the limit for Hill, Gore, and the rest of the offense. Usually behind a great or even really good QB, is a fleet of lethal receivers
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have a vendetta against him..
and I don’t have a chub for him either.
But thanks for trying to post thoughts and words that don’t come from myself.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've
got to be the most negative person I have ever come across. And I’m not saying that as a personal attack toward you. I am serious. You are vile with your comments and have the maturity of the 4th grader with nothing REAL to ever say. Never facts, only your out right negative opinion. It seems others here (after going through the entire thread) feel the same. You should really find another way to get your kicks
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's your opinion...
Not that it makes you look smart or anything.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, the majority of what I've seen of your posting...
has been void of factual support, and very high on domineering opinions and slander.
This isn’t to defend drummer, so much as to point out the flaws in your attacks on him and other posters that don’t agree with you.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Sep 20, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree
He isn’t being asked to do too much. That is the way our offense is setup, it’s not his fault that they run first in that offense. In the end it is the record that matters right? Not the style point!!! Someone mentioned that he was “sick and tired” of the 9-3 argument. But how exactly can one’ avoid that FACT? Can he deny Hill’s record as a starting QB? No He can’t!!!
by nocal81 on Sep 20, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newsletter?
Where do I sign up?
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by Giant among Angels on Sep 20, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I am going to get Grey hair watching these dramatic finishes !!
The Offense is overly too conservative! Too many runs into the line for no gain. Of coarse there were 2 runs that accounted for 160 yards of offense, so that is good. But the Offense was very conservative today again. Where did our pass rush go today? There was not even one sack that I can remember. The Defense played great straight up, no blitzing at all and yet held Seattle to 10 points and shut them out in the second half. Hard to argue with the results, but I swear I am gonna have a heart attack if Coach Raye keeps calling games like this!!! 2 – 0 is HUGE !! We are gonna start getting a lot of positive press now. Hill had a pretty pedestrian game. He was just OK enough to not lose the game! Our Defense got kinda soft in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, but recovered in the 4th to take control. WOW what a game!! GO NINERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Sep 20, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ray McDonald had a sack
And Justin Smith (?) was getting pressure on Wallace near the end of the game.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 20, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good catch there...Must have missed that sack...
I am glad they got enough pressure at the end when they needed it. Great game to watch. 2-0 and leading the division!! I am stoked about the wins!
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Sep 20, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
great game
this has been a great weekend for me! The niners won, my hokies won and the panthers lost! If only the SF giants had won that would have been the icing on the cake. But I will take a 2-0 start anytime…especially 2 wins right in the division. I’m not ready to say that we are to be taken serious until the offense clicks a little bit more. Next week if we win against the vikings then I will be saying and feeling a whole more. The defense is looking great even though we didn’t get any sacks today the pressure is getting there which makes coverage even better down field. THe defense will be tested against the man child in A.P all day next sunday but until I will enjoy this win.
"Of all the things in the world losing isn't so bad; it just starts to feel like it does when you do it for so long"
by ninerfanNVA on Sep 20, 2009 4:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we got 1 sack from McDonald
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by rlott#42 on Sep 20, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks rlott#42
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Sep 20, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm soooooo happy..
That Mike Nolan isn’t the coach of this team anymore.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 4:46 PM PDT reply actions 8 recs
+1000000000000000000000000
49er faithful since July 11, 1985
by J2daZ on Sep 20, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice win
You kicked our butts. We’ll get another chance later in the year but this day is yours, hats off gents.
what you do now, round eye?
by shams on Sep 20, 2009 4:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
a polite Seahawk fan?
WTF?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 20, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call there SeaHawks fan! +1 for sure.
The Niners are emerging from their recent downturn to play competitive football. I am sure all the Niner’s fans are happy to see the wins. SeaHawks are pretty banged up now. Hopefully Hassleback didn’t get any broken ribs. I thought for sure it was his back when they showed the replay.
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Sep 20, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fooch...
one thing to consider about hill’s “ugly” performance.
as performance relates to winning, what matters is passing efficiency, not passing production. the fact that hill isn’t putting up big numbers in the passing game isn’t as important as the fact that he (a) has been uber-succesful on third down, (b) has yet to throw an INT this season, and © has an above-average 6.2 yards per attempt through two games.
just saying…perhaps we need a new rule…“ugly” QB performances must have at least 1 INT in them. cutler vs. GB last week: 4 INTs. now that’s ugly. delhomme last week, 5 turnovers, ugly! hill, 0 INTs, cannot qualify as ugly. bad, maybe. ugly? no way.
by Florida Danny on Sep 20, 2009 4:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fair point...
But I still shudder at the thought of he carrying the offense without Gore.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did it against ARZ
BTW, anybody going to talk about how the Cards have come back to life?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 20, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because...
They weren’t the AZ of last week.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WUT? Jags Sux
That was a team the Cardinals should have pushed around. Those 5 yard tosses to Boldin and Fitz didn’t work last week because the Cardinals got dominated in early downs and were playing a lot of 3rd and long.
by bignerd on Sep 21, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They still did better in the penalties area didn't they?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 21, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Penalties are result of mental errors and/or getting your butt kicked . . .
by bignerd on Sep 21, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how did they do this weekend?
Better?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 21, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
I like his efficiency…
Besides, Coffee isn’t a slouch and has potential. Really the run game rely’s on the O-line. I think that that is evident between our two first games.
IF we get Crabtree in, I think he’ll eventually make a differnce in opening the field up also
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Hill is a good fit for what they have right now. If gore goes down, all bets are off. Although, stranger things have happened than either (a) a rookie rb having a good season or (b) a backup rb stepping in for an injured starter and having a good year. Not saying it’s likely. Hope it doesn’t come to that. Just saying it wouldn’t be unprecedented.
by Florida Danny on Sep 20, 2009 7:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
if the niners lose gore
I say give Crab DHB money.
by Andrew Davidson on Sep 20, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
With all the time he’s already missed Crabs has basically become useless to us now.
If Gore goes down (knock on wood) Kory Sheets will probably get elevated.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 20, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good points
In regards to this particular type of post I think with the good, the bad and the ugly, it’s a mix of me looking quickly at numbers and also considering just my impressions from watching it. In reality he’s been infinitely better than Delhomme was last week. I think it’s more just quick impressions.
by Fooch on Sep 20, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
Guess by “ugly” you mean “aesthetically displeasing.” :-) perhaps, then, there should be 2 “ugly” categories: “ugly good” and “ugly bad.” Hill’s performance this week was ugly good, whereas Delhomme’s week 1 performance was ugly bad. You know, kind of like the distinction between “funny ironic” and “funny haha.”
by Florida Danny on Sep 20, 2009 7:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
He was better than Brady today!
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by rlott#42 on Sep 20, 2009 5:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This was a refreshing win
We didn’t truly dominate, but it never felt like the game was ever at risk in terms of the 49ers losing complete momentum. The Hasselbeck injury was huge, and it was unfortunate we couldn’t beat Hasselbeck for the entire game. I’m a bit tired of Seattle suffering so many injuries, because it gives the fans a forum to moan. I’m not accusing any Seattle fan of doing so today, or in the future, but it’s always a crappy thing to have happen to the team (especailly to the QB).
The crack Willis layed on Hasselbeck looked quite painful, it wouldn’t be shocking if a rib got cracked. I’m not giving Willis props for hurting Hasselbeck, but the hit was not dirty nor was his intent to injure Hasselbeck. The team let Justin Forsett do some damage, they’ll need to have tackling drills this week of practice if they want to shut down AP. Both Hightower and Forsett have had pretty good receiving outings, and while I don’t mind the 49ers forcing opponents to check downs, it’d be nice if we could tackle better on those plays and limit the YAC.
We are 2-0, but there is plenty of room for improvement. Frank Gore is an absolute manbeast, there’s no denying it. Way to get that ypg average up over 100 Frank (and that ypc up to 6.2)! Hopefully Gore is used wisely against Minnesota, a team notorious for shutting down the run.
And agree with Billick (for those that watched it on TV), our wildcat offense was used in the worst scenarios today. I think we should scrap it all together, once we can dump Spurlock when Crab signs. Seeing Isaac Bruce have success offensively should encourage Crab to get the [site decorum] on board already. Hopefully he’s not watching Texas Tech and realizing how elite he’d be at the college season if he stayed behind.
by Andrew Davidson on Sep 20, 2009 5:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Frankie Gee!
He’ll give Minnesota something to think about.
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Sep 20, 2009 5:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Niners are a serious team now
I hope the NIners don’t panic if they lose a game, say against Vikings next week. They are a bruising, serious team. The QB play is not featured in this style (the Niners are Ravens west), which is tough to get used to. A solid front line and a db corp that can really tackle (remember when they couldn’t? ouch) is signature. Don’t be shocked if they come out with a win in Minnesota though and go 4-0. Awesome win.
by Vertigo on Sep 20, 2009 5:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ravens?
They seem like an above average offense this year…
A good rotation of RBs, Flacco has stepped it up, and the O-line is playing pretty good.
I’d say their offense is much better than ours.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 20, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
49ers similar to 2000-2001 Ravens
I don’t think Vertigo is referring to the Flacco Ravens of now. Hopefully he
(or she?) is dead-on with this comparison, assuming he is refering to the Superbowl champion Ravens of 2000-2001. They used a stellar defense led by Ray Lewis, and a strong running game with Jamal Lewis all through the season. Despite a pretty weak passing game with QB Trent Dilfer at the helm, they won it all, because Dilfer was conservative and reliable – that’s all he needed to be.
Substitute Willis for Ray Lewis, Gore for Jamal Lewis, and Shaun Hill for Dilfer, maybe that’s what we have. I wouldn’t complain, but it is hard for all of us 49er fans to adjust to this type of winning style after seeing winning only under high-octane offensive years with Montana, Young, and even Jeff Garcia.
by NorrisBoothe on Sep 20, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except I see only 1 problem
That Raven defense was one of the top 5 greatest single season defenses of all time. I am pretty sure this years Niner defense isn’t ANYWHERE near that caliber.
by Italia1970 on Sep 20, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of defenses....
Who’s going to be No.1 this year?
I strongly feel that Jets have THE best defense in the NFL (I think I’m becoming a Jets fan, help me)
Sorry for going off topic, but I just wanted to point that out.
BTW: The 49ers defense isn’t championship caliber, but it sure is top 10 worthy.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 20, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Jets
I don’t think the 49ers defense is going to be the best in the NFL but the Jets are fooling everyone. They are a poor run defense team up the middle. Kris Jenkins will break down (he always does) and the Jets will face opponents who can run the ball up the gut instead of NE and HOU.
by bignerd on Sep 21, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We shall see
But how awesome is it that I shower praise upon the Jets one day and the day after I find out that the 49ers are accusing them of tampering?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 21, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the approach to the game is what I meant
They do happen to have a good offense this year.
by Vertigo on Sep 20, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gore is awesome
Im enjoying this season
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
SCIENCE
by CB30 on Sep 20, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Minnesota
If we can hold Peterson like the Lions did today, I like our chances. Make Favre beat us…Or… Well put him in the dirt like we did Warner
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 5:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Favre usually does beat us,
if you’ll remember any point during the past two decades.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
by these3words on Sep 20, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
9ers came through with bumps and bruises only again
The 49ers had a few dings in their victory over Seattle: RB Frank Gore suffered a right ankle sprain, backup RB Glen Coffee had a right hip pointer, LG David Baas had a right ankle sprain and OLB Marques Harris had a right toe contusion. Coach Mike Singletary doesn’t believe any of the injuries are serious and that everyone should be good to go for next week.
Seahawks lost 5 during the game:
The Seahawks may need to rent space in the 49ers training room. CB Josh Wilson has suffered an ankle injury and won’t return. He’s the fifth Seahawk to go down, joining QB Matt Hasselbeck (ribs), WR Ben Obomanu (head), LB Lofa Tatupu (hamstring) and LT Sean Locklear (ankle).
was a note on the tweet like thing at cbs sports.
by Dave R. on Sep 20, 2009 5:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seahawks were early pick favorites
Perhaps not now.
by Vertigo on Sep 20, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've still got a good shot
Let’s not eliminate teams because of one game, especially when a bunch of their starters were out.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 20, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They
HAVE BEEN OUT…quit making excuses. Willis put them out…give credit where crdit is due
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here you go again..
You know how this doesn’t bode well for the forum, as well as yourself, do you?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is our friend, Fearful Frog? lol
he was talking HUGE smack, trying to throw out all of these stats and BS, and saying the niners would be destroyed…..where is that talk now?
by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 20, 2009 5:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That was
An absolutely huge win. First place!!
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 20, 2009 5:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fooch
Again, not giving Hill the benefit of the doubt. Can you NOT see what Singletary is doing with him? He is obviously slowly building his confidence. Numbers apparently don’t mean as much as you think they do. There were games where Montana and Young did not have the stats to show a victory, however, they LEAD thier teams to victory. Hill is a great leader!! period!! bottom line!!
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 5:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What did Hill do?
Hand the ball off and watch Gore run?
I’m not trying to criticize him, I thought he played well, but Hlll doesn’t even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Young and Montana. Gore and the defense won the game, all HIll did was throw checkdowns all day.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 20, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't play well today. Bruce dropped a biggie.
by Vertigo on Sep 20, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another one of
Fooch’s hench men huh?
I was making a point with Young and Montana….Brady, Manning, WHOEVER!!! It doesn’t matter what name I threw out…my point is that all games are won differently obviously since you play a diff team every week. It is how you LEAD (once again) a team to victory, Hill does that!!
Hill will have better games when he gets better recievers, a full season, and a continuance in strategic coaching by Sing and the rest of the staff, If you cannot see the point then shame on you also!
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
That’s my point, HIll didn’t “lead” the team to victory. He had a nice game but didn’t do too much. Gore and the defense “led” the team.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 20, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
totally disagree… Who is the leader in the huddle??? Hill made some good SOLID passes. Its the play-calling you have to consider as well. Hill did lead the team….maybe not like last week. BUT every game he has played, I have seen him LEAD…in one way or another
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
I am not saying Hill didn’t play well, and I’m not saying he doesn’t exhibit some leadership. But the fact that the Niners won doesn’t mean Hill is anything special. Rex Grossman won a lot when he was a starter too, but the winning had nothing to do with him.
That’s my point, pretty much any NFL starting QB could have done what Hill did today. Hill mostly threw checkdowns all day, that’s not really hard (from the standpoint of an NFL starter).
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 20, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has
made decent throws downfield too. He hasn’t gotten alot of calls to go downfield (yet) and I stress YET. Sing is doing th eright thing in Hill’s development
by Drew K on Sep 20, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
Like I said, I thought he played well. I’m just saying let’s not crown him yet. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 20, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won the Game
and lead our division. What more do you want?
Key to the game: Score More
by pygalgia on Sep 20, 2009 5:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said. 2-0 is a great start no matter what.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
by Yoyo on Sep 20, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gore is a beast!
Wow what a game! I totally nailed it when I said the running game should get going, but even I didn’t expect a 200+ yard performance. Gore ur my hero :) p Willie my hero too. I’m super glad those two are niners!
by 49ersAllTheWay on Sep 20, 2009 6:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well THAT was fun!
Great experience at the game – free parking, got there in time to have a few brews before the game and eat, seats were high up but still totally fine, crowd had a lot of energy, and the niners won!!!! Gore’s two runs were huge and the defense played great once again. Of course it didn’t hurt that they were missing Hasselbeck for a half – what’s the word on his injury anyway?
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Sep 20, 2009 6:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Right now
Its being called a bruised rib.
by jpgarfunkle on Sep 20, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah thanks
I found that online – it looked from where I was like he must have been hit in the head, but I guess not. Good news for him for sure.
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Sep 20, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After all is said and done....
We are 2 – 0. NFC West division leaders. 2 Solid wins. One against last year’s NFC Championship winner and followed that up with a solid performance against a Seahawks team that has controlled the division recently and was fired up and looking to take back control of the division. The Niner’s defense is looking to be a top 5 defense. The Niner’s offense is not where they want it to be, but is showing signs of improvement. If the Niners go into Minnesota and get a win, the rest of the league will begin to take notice. For now, we will have to settle for being in the division lead. Nothing wrong with that !! Is this all because of Singletary? Or is it just the young talent finally coming together. I think it is a bit of both. But the Niner’s have served notice that they are gonna compete for the NFC West.
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Sep 20, 2009 6:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The play calling was terrible.
It should not have been in the “good” category. I don’t know if I would go as far as to say those two huge runs were lucky- maybe they were- but outside of that it was still so obvious. I felt like they may have opened up a couple more things, but they were in the same formation constantly and ran many of the same plays over and over and just weren’t fooling anyone. The play calling and the lack of a passing attack I think will give me a heart attack by some point this season.
by jonesin25 on Sep 20, 2009 8:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you on one point:
That one dumbass play where the WR motions to the side and stands sideways is soooo DUMB.
Jimmy Raye called that play WAY too many times and the Seahawks defenders just put everyone in the box when they saw Josh Morgan line up sideways.
That said, I thought the play calling on that one drive that ate up most of the 4th quarter was fantastic.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 20, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The play itself isn't bad.
The first time it was called it resulted in a 79 yard score – where Morgan was in perfect position to seal off the defensive back that might have otherwise had the angle on Gore going up the middle.
The stupidity came into play when Raye called the same play a 3rd and 4th time. Every time I saw it, I was hoping for a counter, a pitch or play-action – as the Seahawks were obviously biting on the A-gap run. However, the deception never game and the play never saw success past its first appearance.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Sep 20, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I wasn’t dismissing the play, but rather how the play was overused.
And has been overused since the pre-season
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 20, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good game niners.
I feel obligated to man up and post here due to my participation in the smack talk thread.
I feel the Seahawks will be significantly more competitive facing the Niners at home.
by redwolf75 on Sep 20, 2009 8:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah.
Frank Gore is indeed a manbeast, but Shaun Hill looked pretty terrible to me. Once the niners have their first ugly loss, I’d let Alex Smith have a try.
by redwolf75 on Sep 20, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm dead serious when I say this
Nate Davis (I mean, if for the sole purpose of benching Hill to shake things up).
Otherwise, I’m cool with Hill even after a bad loss. This Sunday at Minnesota is a good measuring stick for this team’s talent on offense and defense. Favre’s arm was barely on his arm when we manhandled him and the Jets last year. This Brett Favre looks young and scary, even if only asked to throw 20-25 passes a game. I’m a bit worried for the next match up.
by Andrew Davidson on Sep 20, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt hill
wasnt sharp but its not his job to catch passes (i.e. vernon dropsies davis and off the fingertips to bruce) when it hits you in the hands it is suppossed to be CAUGHT. Far too many people B and Moan on this sight about S Hill. Quit throwing turds in the punchbowl and realize A) A win’s a win a win B) the whole offense needs to get better not just the quarter back..that means recievers actually have to get OPEN and create separation and quickly…
defensively..i don’t think outside of hasslebacks dominant drive we have much to fear about seattle..their biggest opponent right now staring them in the face is injuries..
by 11allstar on Sep 20, 2009 9:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i wish they trusted hill a bit more
to throw a quick slant to morgan or hit VD down the middle between the safeties15-20 yards down the field like he did a few times last season. It’ll only help the running game that much more.
I feel like the passing game took a step back from last game, and overall has taken a step back from last season. Yes, I know it stems from the change in philosophy and not having Martz, but could part of it be the absence of Jason Hill? I’d really like to see Hill in there next weekend and spurlock as the inactive next weekend, especially since both are essentially trying out for a spot on the team if/when “the c-word” signs
by Rep the Bay on Sep 20, 2009 9:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm HATING Spurlock right now
He is absolutely useless.
That Taser thing FAILS
What’s the point of having a guy active just to run two useless plays when you can bring in another true WR that can freshen up guys on long drives?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 20, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
forgot to mention
it seemed like last year J. Hill was another security blanket for S. Hill, only he has the ability with the (supposed) 4.3 speed to add some YAC and potentially turn it into a big play. Definitely more foot speed than Issac Bruce. If the Hills already have the rapport, why not throw him in there to run across the middle of the field?
Will also be interesting to see how they work in Brandan Jones this coming week and weekend
by Rep the Bay on Sep 20, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you overestimate the importance of a 6th WR.
Regardless, Spurlock is no worse than Zeigler or any of the other “true WRs” that we had in camp.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Sep 20, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zeigler isn't on the team
And Hill wouldn’t be the 6th WR, he would be the 4th behind Bruce, Morgan and Battle.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 20, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your comment was in reference to Spurlock, not Hill.
You were attacking his presence on the team – and were he not to make the roster then it would have been Zeigler to take his spot. (1)Bruce, (2)Morgan, (3)Jones, (4)Battle, (5)Hill, (6)Spurlock. A 6th WR was the player in conversation.
If your statement was to insinuate that Hill would have more utility on the field as a 4th or 5th receiver than Spurlock would as a Wildcat QB, then I simply must respectfully disagree with you. With Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Glen Coffee, Michael Robinson and an (apparently) decent Moran Norris all as available options as that extra skill position player, and a playbook that carries very few 4 or 5 WR sets, I would argue that Hill offers very little to the team right now.
Say what you want about the Taser, but just having that extra look in what is already an extremely small playbook is a pretty good thing. I mean, I even disagreed with today’s commentators on the futility of the formation on 3rd and long in the game today. What else would teams do in that situation? Screens? Draws? 15 yard throws into coverage that expects throws of 15 yards? The playcall in that situation wasn’t so awful, and Spurlock even had a guy open on the play. There’s no reason to believe that Shaun Hill hitting Jason Hill for a 15 yard completion out of the shotgun in that situation would be any more likely.
But, as mentioned, I don’t expect to convert you to my line of thinking.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Sep 20, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he has a point
Instead of Hill having to hit a dart in Spurlock, Jason Hill’s is an easy target because he usually gets his body in front of the defender for the ball.
by bignerd on Sep 21, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I agree
The play was open if Spurlock had made a good throw. Even the run play out of the Taser would have worked if Spurlock had held onto the ball. They just needed to execute better.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 21, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SOOOOO TIRED OF ALL THE CRAP
This is the NFL, not a hollywood script. So for all the BS ney sayers out there if you don’t like what you see then turn the frigging TV set off and go play golf or something.. Crap what the hell do you expect.
THE NINERS ARE 2 AND 0 and looking very strong in all aspects of the game.. If you have issues with that then you can take it some where else. Can’t play with you. can’t win with you, don’t wan’t you around..
GOOOOO NNNNIIIIIIEEEEERRRRSSSS
by WC-Ninerhead on Sep 20, 2009 9:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this is exactly the kind of post that is causing problems up above
we are all 49ers fans. We all want the team to win. We all are happy and excited that the team won. But that doesn’t mean that we all have to be happy with all aspects of the game the 49ers played. Last week the offensive line looked terrible. This week Shaun Hill looked a but shaky, and we didn’t get much pass-rush. There is nothing wrong with pointing out these flaws and discussing what could be done to improve them.
There’s been a lot of talk about Hill and whether or not he is a good QB. Yes, he has a winning record, and that’s great. But that doesn’t mean that we couldn’t upgrade that position and that aspect of the team. Our passing offense has not been very good outside of a few plays each game. Yes we are 2-0 and that is a good thing, and Hill has done enough to win those games. But the lack of an explosive passing attack is going to make us more susceptible to teams stacking the box and taking away the run. And we’re also at risk for not having the ability to come back in a game when we are behind. We also are going to have games (like yesterday) where we could easily put the game out of reach but fail to do so. Sure, we won yesterday, but we left ourselves open to getting shocked in that one. If SEA converts that third or 4th down in the end zone you never know what might happen – onside kick, big play, we lose.
So criticizing Hill is totally fair. A better QB might have won yesterday by 21 or more. Yes, it’s nice to have a QB that probably won’t lose games for you. But it would also be nice to have a QB that can win games for you. (and yes I recognize Hill has led some good game-winning drives).
Saying Niner fans that criticize Hill is disloyal is just like the argument Bush and the GOP used to make about people not being patriotic because they were protesting the war in Iraq. We are all Niner fans, we all want the team to win, and it’s ok to not give blind loyalty and support to every player on the roster.
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Sep 21, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
thanks
glad you share my views on this one (but of course if you disagreed that would be totally fine also)
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Sep 21, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love for Hill
I’m not about to say Hill is a great qb. But I like the guy. No matter the player there is always room for improvement.
Hill does have a strange release on the ball. In fact, It amazes me that his passes are completed as often as they are. I think we have gone over his qualities before as well as his faults. However, I think part of the issue here in the past few games is a bit different.
In game one Gore did nada as far as yards. Right? Game 2 Gore basically wins the game. In game one Hill stepped up in the 4th qtr to make the difference.
I think Hill has a nack to know or gauge his performance. He stays within his capacity as a QB. But I think he has an enlarged fear of interceptions. Maybe it’s his own lack of confidence in his arm. Not sure here. But he seems hesitant.
It is obvious that he holds the ball a bit too long at times and does not do a lot of long passes. As fans we love to see those Drew Brees like performances out of our QB. Hill is just not like that.
However, he does some things right. One of which is manage the game. He does not go down field on most pass plays because they are lower percentage passes. Besides, when you are winning a game and there is time on the clock then there is no need to get pass happy. If the running game is working then there is no real need to do anything but run and work the clock.
I think next week against the Vikings is the true showdown. Hill will have to contribute more so if the Niners want to pick up a win against a strong run defense.
Therefore, I give Hill his props for his attributes thus far. And to you guys who do not like him. Well let’s wait till next week. I’m thinking you may end up liking this guy after all.
by carbone on Sep 21, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good points
to clarify – I’m not a huge Hill supporter or detractor. I like Hill and I like that we’ve been winning with him, but I still think we could be getting better play from that position. I don’t think we should bench Hill, but I would be curious to see what Smith could do now that he’s healthy.
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Sep 21, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way,,, Has any body heard from the Frog today???
Just curious. You know them Frogs,, they jump around and land on this leaf and that one looking for bugs and such.. I guess that is all one can expect from a dang frog anyway…to bad a frog can’t find a good football team anyway near these days. at least on the pro level…
Good night mr. frog until we meet again I bid you adou…
by WC-Ninerhead on Sep 20, 2009 10:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Frog manned up..
With his own fanpost. Props to Frog.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 20, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks..Drummer
I will withdraw any further diragidory comments and yield to the Gentelmans way
Mr Frog, until we meet again on the battle field
Good day sir..
by WC-Ninerhead on Sep 20, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win!
The defense is pretty good and it turns out Seattle is injury prone, huh who would have thought that? Yes, I’m padding myself on the back for this one. A summer full of debate and the game comes down to the simple premise that Hasselbeck isn’t scrambling for a TD if the Seahawks have an actual run game or aren’t stitching together a pass protection due to an aging offensive line. I really like Hasselbeck but his injury was inevitable as the ending to Steve Young’s career. Shame on Seahawk management for doing nothing to protect him in the off season and I’m sure they are going to blame him for the last two years.
by bignerd on Sep 20, 2009 11:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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