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Hey everyone, James here. I'm now not even thinking about the win over Seattle, now I'm completely on the fence about this Sunday's game. I'm trying to have faith in my Niners, and actually, at my highest point I'm thinking the team can pull it off. That, if the 49ers play a perfect game, they can get by the Vikings and be 3-0 to start the season. And not to insult the Rams TOO much but that's almost guaranteed a 4-0 start to the season and a 3-0 start in the NFC West. Wouldn't that be something? Anyway, I have a good bit of links for you today. One other thing though, I have a small personal favor to ask of those of you who read these, if you get a chance check out the link at the end of the Nuggets after the jump for details. Anyway, enjoy.

HB Frank Gore was named NFC Offensive Player of the Week--pretty cool. (49ers.com)

Here's Sunday's game at a glance--or in other words, a couple quick notes before the big previews kick in. (SacBee.com)

It is indeed because of Deion's mouth that the 49ers are filing tampering charges. Am I the only one here who honestly enjoyed watching Deion on NFL Total Access up until that Crabtree segment? (NBCBayArea.com)

Maiocco posts the rules on the tampering policy in the NFL. (PressDemocrat.com)

True grit, indeed. The 49ers are being molded into Mike Singletary's image... I've got no problem with that. Could you imagine eleven pairs of those eyes all staring down an offense at once? Jesus Christ I'm scaring myself. (NFL.com)

Here's an early preview of Sundays game from the official website. (49ers.com)

How exactly did Shaun Hill perform on Sunday? Here's a look at his stats and how he played. (SFGate.com)

Will the 49ers have to rely on the arm of Shaun Hill as opposed to the legs of Frank Gore? The Vikings have a pretty strong run defense.. (MercuryNews.com)

Kevin Lynch also takes a look at Frank Gore's second touchdown run, taking a pretty in depth look at it. (SFGate.com)

Star-divide

Frank Gore was nominated for the Fed Ex ground player of the week. (49ers.com)

QB Shaun Hill is a game manager.. and seems to be a pretty good one, at that. (SFGate.com)

Just because I can, I have some notes on the numbers so far for the 49ers. (NFLTouchdown.com)

The tampering charge (obviously) limits Crabtree's moves. (SacBee.com)

Gore is looking ahead to the Vikings game--it should be a good one. (SFGate.com)

That's all I've got for you, but as for my favor--basically, it goes like this. There's this "One in a Million" contest with Slap Magazine for skaters. Out of all the country ten people are picked based on video submissions and then between those ten, the three that gets the most votes on the site are picked to be flown out to San Francisco to compete in this contest to get sponsored and a few other awesome goodies--basically a skaters dream. My boy Adam Wersky was one of three people picked from the Modesto/Ceres area (which is pretty amazing) which is where I live and it'd be PRETTY AWESOME if you follow this link One In A Million Contest Voting, and click on "Adam Wersky" and vote for him. If you do this for me, I'll love ya forever! (Hey, watch the videos if you want--you'll still want to vote Wersky after since he's clearly the best!)

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What are the odds that there will be repercussions for Deion...

for kicking off this whole tampering thing with his Primetime mouth? How much is NFL Network tied to NFL policies? Granted, he doesn’t work for the Jets or the mysterious second team (…ahem ahem dallas ahem), but if the situation comes to a head, his relationship with those teams might be jeopardized.
Not that I’m really all that concerned for Sanders.

Anyway, here’s hoping for a third 1st round pick.

by Krowley on Sep 23, 2009 3:56 AM PDT reply actions  

He was great, I also voted for Adam.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Sep 23, 2009 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tampering

There is no logic for another team continuing to tamper after the trade deadline back in August. Any promises made last summer just don’t hold any water now. And Parker/Crabtree, even if the Jets/Cowboys promised $40 million last summer, cannot in any way consider it a tangible offer that can in any way be collected on next year.

Long short, for the Crabtree camp, the Niners are the only game in town. They are the only team that will pay Crabtree this year. If Crabtree shows up in the draft next year he will have lost lots of money. Millions. Teams have signed players who have been total busts. Teams survive that. The Niners can survive losing a first round pick. But an individual who walks away from 18 million guaranteed because he thinks he’s worth 23 million and who is risking that money and losing a year’s playing time has a lot more to lose.

The Crabtree camp is not holding out now because of any tampering, if there is any tampering.

So with the above, the logical reasoning is that Crabtree will sign. If all remains the same it would be crazy for Parker/Crabtree to walk away from that. Now let’s say you are McCloughan. You know that Crabtree will sign. It would be insane for an agent to have his client lose all that money and it would be insane for a player to walk away from that. Parker knows that the draft next year will be full of great players too. This is it. The Niners know and Parker/Crabtree knows.

So why continue the charade? That’s what’s burning the Niners. Crabtree could be in Santa Clara getting into football shape, learning the offense and stretching those hamstrings. Each day Crabtree’s value to the Niners for this year goes down. Each day it becomes less and less worth the Niners’ while to make a better offer, and they weren’t going to make a better offer anyway.

There are rumors that Parker is doing this because he wants to be part of the players’ group in the upcoming CBA negotiations. I know very little about the workings of that, but I can understand why the owners wouldn’t want to have to deal with Parker over the contract.

Jed York’s offer to talk with Crabtree face-to-face was a public rebuke of Parker. It was saying, “Michael, Parker is blocking this thing getting done. He’s not serving you well.” He may very well say, if there was a face-to-face, that Parker is using Crabtree to vault himself into the CBA negotiations.

The tampering charge also should be looked at as an attack by the Niners on Parker. You can’t accuse a team tampering with another team’s player without accusing the player’s agent.

Now there are a couple of things to consider. If the Niners do sign Crabtree they potentially have a game-breaking player for the next half decade. He could in the future raise up the Niners’ offense to nicely complement the defense. On the other hand, there is probably a lot of buyer’s remorse. This is an awful lot of trouble for one player and people have to wonder if he really is a “diva” and will hurt the team.

Throughout this mess Crabtree has remained silent. All the noise has come from his posse (Deion, his cousin) or indirectly from Parker. All the things that fans hate him for really aren’t things he’s done. So the Niners may ultimately feel that when he finally comes in from the cold that he’ll be worth it.

But Parker continues the war when there’s nothing more to gain. Parker is hurting the Niners. And with every day he’s hurting Crabtree. And the Niners now want to hurt Parker. That’s what’s happening now. It’s becoming personal.

by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 23, 2009 6:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Rumors

Do you think that maybe his foot hasn’t healed and that he wants more guaranteed money because of it? Was just a thought, but maybe he is worried that it will never be the same and knows that he might end up a bust and wants to get as much money guaranteed knowing that if he isn’t able to excel at the PRO level, then there won’t be a chance for him to have a higher pay day down the road. I don’t know, but I just have this feeling that it is all about the guaranteed money, I would bet if the niners offered him more guaranteed money but a smaller overall contract that he would sign it in a heartbeat. Anyways, that is just my gut feelings about the situation. Either way, there is defiantly something wrong with Crabtree, whether is Physical or Mental is the question now!

by Ten-Man on Sep 23, 2009 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

If that's the case

Then I’m glad niners aren’t giving him more money. If crabtree thinks he’s gonna be a bust cuz of his leg hasn’t healed properly or he has a big massive ego then I would prefer us to trade him to another team so we don’t draft another bust i.e alex smith, rashaun woods, j.j. Stokes but I want to sign him up cuz I don’t believe he will be a bust. We were all happy when we drafted him, I know I was. Now I just want him to sign so I can see what he can do. If he doesn’t sign though, whatever let’s trade him and get another first rounder :)

by 49ersAllTheWay on Sep 23, 2009 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not every on was Happy!

I knew if he slipped that far the niners would grab him, but I still think that there were more pressing concerns and a few good fits for our team, I personally was hoping for Brian Orakpo at that spot. And I think we would have grabbed him if Crabtree wasn’t there.

by Ten-Man on Sep 23, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

well

im pretty sure like 95% of us were i mean how great was it to see raiders take “no hands” heyward bey and then we take what everybody was saying the steal of the draft at #10. now it doesnt seem so good of a pick sadly beacause i thihk if he would have signed he would have had a pretty good season. too bad.

by 49ersAllTheWay on Sep 23, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Traded

Would have also been nice to have traded that pick to someone say like the eagles (who took maclin at 19th) and we could have picked up Oher (OT) and hopefully an extra 5th, 6th, or 7th pick. Oh well always nice to play the what if game huh?

by Ten-Man on Sep 23, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

No

According to MM and Trent Dillfer Crabtree’s foot is fine.

by GeeMunster on Sep 23, 2009 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dammit crabtree sign then

Just wasting away your career and wasting the niners time. SIGN!

by 49ersAllTheWay on Sep 23, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

From all reports

except for one internet rumor his foot is fine. And from what I understand, his foot injury isn’t the kind that would develop into a long-term problem.

Plus, if his foot is still bad then he’s limping around with something that could lose him millions of dollars. Better to sign quickly and get what you can instead of holding out and being discovered and then losing it all.

by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 23, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is no logic for another team continuing to tamper after the trade deadline back in August. Any promises made last summer just don’t hold any water now. And Parker/Crabtree, even if the Jets/Cowboys promised $40 million last summer, cannot in any way consider it a tangible offer that can in any way be collected on next year.

That’s not necessarily true. Consider this scenario:

- Jets tell Parker (or Crabtree) they will sign him for significantly more than the 49ers will.
- Parker agrees.
- Jets send a second or third round pick to the 49ers come March.
- Jets provide Crabtree with that money or he holds out and the Jets are out a second round pick.

by sfgfan on Sep 23, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

if we must!

if crabtree doesnt want to be in san fran then by all means GET THE HELL OUT! we dont want a T.O wannabe now if your willing to take the deal later and contribute like we know u can then thats cool welcome to the niners but if u dont wanna be here get out and we will take minimum a 1st rounder beacause we can argue with the jets that crabtree is first round talent so only a first rounder in my book, if there willing to give the first rounder then good :) win for us. then we have three picks one of which i think we should trade for a nice player already in the league like a calvin johnson if he is unhappy about being on a crappy team. (calvin johnson is just an example i know it is unlikely again just an example)

by 49ersAllTheWay on Sep 23, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here's some problems with that scenario.

There is no way that the Jets can guarantee that the Niners will trade Crabtree to them. Suppose the Niners get this offer from the Jets and a similar offer from the Patriots. If the Jets really did sabotage the deal, then why should they trade Crabtree to New York? Even if the Niners never found out about it this scenario would still require the Jets to have the best deal for the Niners. In essence, the Jets would have to make sure to outbid everyone else in order to make that trade. Suppose Kansas City offers a first and a third. At some point the Jets will say, hey, that’s too rich for us. And maybe the Niners are dissatisfied with any of the offers and decide to spend the rest of that time trying to get Crabtree to sign. The Jets can’t even make an offer.

But why would Parker believe that the Jets will be there next year? There are going to be lots of good players coming out in 2010. Suppose the Jets receivers turn out okay, or there is a really good, proven free agent available that can be had without trading a draft pick. Or when the Jets’ first pick comes up there’s a great pass rusher sitting there? Or conversely, despite his first couple of games Sanchez wipes out or gets a mortal injury or breaks his leg and won’t walk again. The Jets need a quarterback. You think they’d stick with the deal with Parker under those circumstances? Or suppose the Jets fail so badly that Tannenbaum is canned. Does Parker go to the new GM and say, “I had this illegal deal with the last guy…” There are just too many things that could go wrong for a tampering deal to work over a whole year.

And since it’s illegal it’s a deal that cannot be enforced. Parker can’t sue the Jets if they walk away. If the Jets renege next year Parker and Crabtree are left the biggest fools in the world. Parker would be gambling 18 million on an illegal deal that the NFL could blow up if anyone finds out about it. If the Jets illegally sabotaged the draft the one thing certain is that Goodell couldn’t allow the Jets to end up with Crabtree. As part of his remedy the Jets (and any other team that might have talked with Parker) would be banned from negotiating with Crabtree.

Last summer it was possible that someone from the Jets went to Parker and said that if he could swing a trade the Jets would pay X-amount. But even with that there are ways to go about it without being accused of tampering. Parker makes a public announcement that Crabtree will never play for the Niners and wants the Niners to trade him to a team that’s interested. The Jets step up and offer to take Crabs off the Niners’ hands. Something like that may have happened if there is any basis to the tampering charge. But probably not, because there is no evidence that any team made an offer to the Niners for Crabtree after he was drafted.

So that’s why I don’t think that there hasn’t been any tampering deal in place since the trade deadline.

by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 23, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

True.

The scenario would still leave Parker and Crabtree holding the bag, but so far, they don’t seem to have a problem with that. The Jets don’t care if they end up signing Crabtree or not, but it doesn’t hurt them to put the chips in place.

Basically, what I’m saying is that the Jets can very well still tamper. They don’t lose anything if they do. They can promise Parker/Crabtree the world, but it doesn’t hurt them if they don’t manage to acquire them as they still have that money and the draft pick(s) left.

I wasn’t disagreeing that it’s an unlikely scenario. I was disagreeing with your statement that it’s pointless for a team to continue to tamper after the trade deadline. I still think it’s possible, as your primary reasoning for it is that if the deal falls through, Parker and Crabtree end up looking like fools. I’m arguing, as of right now, they look like they don’t care if they end up looking like fools if they’re ready to enter next year’s draft.

by sfgfan on Sep 23, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe, but...

True, the Jets could promise Parker the world. But if they truly did tamper then they could expect the NFL to crush them over this. The draft is a very important part of the way the league does business, and its integrity is almost as important as the games themselves. So they do risk something. It would undoubtedly be at least a hefty fine, and probably a high draft choice.

But it doesn’t make sense for Parker to risk the money that’s on the table. He’s no fool. He knows any promise for next year is worthless. That’s the reason why players don’t reenter the draft. Almost every player’s contract will be smaller, and losing a year of playing time means losing a year’s pay. Crabtree, no matter how great he may turn out to be, won’t be running slants over the middle at 45.

That’s why the Niners know that Crabtree will eventually sign. They know it, Parker knows it. The Niners have drawn a line in the sand for all to see. Pride goes only so far. All the stuff about where Crabtree should have been drafted in the first round is all bluster. At this time it’s only a matter of how much longer Parker holds Crabtree back from signing the deal and what the Niners can do to make Parker personally pay for this.

by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 23, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

As much as I like Crabtree as a player...

… and hope for him to sign and finally contribute (next year), I’m slowly getting the feeling that it won’t happen. I’ve been a pretty strong supporter of the “he will sign eventually camp,” but at some point, you have to draw the line there, too. Where should the 49ers draw the line then?

I think the only ways the 49ers can make Parker pay is by having Crabtree do the punishing himself (i.e. dropping Parker to get a deal done with the 49ers), or by just refusing to sign him after a certain date, guaranteeing Crabtree gets significantly less money entering next year’s draft.

by sfgfan on Sep 23, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like I say

there really is no logical place for Crabtree to go other than the Niners. Jeb’s offer to talk face-to-face was a public attempt to call out Parker as the problem.

The tampering charge is another attack on Parker. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out that there was no tampering, that the Niners are merely acting on what Sanders said on the NFL Network as yet another way of getting back at Parker. If Sanders is called in to say what he knows at the least it will be a message sent to lackeys like Deion who do errands for agents like Parker. Expect Sanders to have to say, “well, er, hum, ah” to investigators and try to paint the most innocuous version of what he said, which was essentially to publicly pimp for Parker as part of the negotiations. He’d have to somehow explain how he knew their were other suitors for Crabtree. The last reported version was that Sanders said that two teams tried to trade with the Niners on draft day to get Crabtree. That doesn’t jibe with what he said on TV. Knowing that teams wanted to trade for the #10 pick doesn’t explain how Sanders knew that they would pay forty million to Crabtree, or that they would pay forty million next year, or even that after the draft they were still interested in Crabtree. In short, either Sanders spilled the beans on a lot of dirty dealing that could get lots of people into trouble (really unlikely) or he was just doing an errand for Parker/Crabtree and did it sloppily.

Logically, if there were people lined up to violate league rules and risk being fined and penalized, and Sanders were working for Parker/Crabtree, the last thing that they would want him to do is open his mouth about it.

I would suspect that the Niners will adjust their offer, but not in the way that Parker might want. For ex, because Crabtree has pretty much made himself useless for this year the Niners may demand another year. It could make the overall guaranteed money higher but it would push back his next contract negotiation another year, which would happen anyway if he holds out until next year.

What I wonder is what happens if the November deadline passes if there is any point for the Niners to sign him before next March. You know, what are the salary implications. After all, it’s possible if it ever does get beyond November that Crabtree, sitting around watching his thirty second spot with Jared and eating ramen in a cold water flat, will wonder what he’s done and be more amenable to signing a deal with the Niners.

But I don’t think it’ll come to that.

The thing that fans have to remember is that Crabtree, despite this contract squabble, is a great talent. If for some reason he can still be signed down the line, the Niners would still want him.

by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 23, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I wonder is what happens if the November deadline passes if there is any point for the Niners to sign him before next March. You know, what are the salary implications.

I was thinking about the same thing. If the 49ers can somehow manage to get him to sign a 2009 deal (for this year), they can work more of his “guaranteed” money into this year’s cap figure (considering they already know how much money they have left for the rest of the year). I don’t know how exactly they’d do this, but it’s possible, I think.

Another question I have is this: why do people call Jed York, “Jeb”?

by sfgfan on Sep 24, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting article.

My guess is that this is driven by Eugene Parker. And if someone told me that if I just sat at home and watched TV for another couple of weeks I’d be worth another couple of million I’d sit at home.

The day that Crabtree calls Parker and says, I wanna sign or I’m gonna fire you Parker will be calling the press conference announcing the signing.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say that this is Crabtree-driven, but he’s still onboard with Parker’s strategy. That’s why I’m surprised that the Niners haven’t been removing money from the deal for games missed. I’m guessing that’s the next step.

by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 23, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with the NFL comments

I make that same assessment about a month ago regarding firing his agent but didn’t. It’s all on Crabtree head regarding signing or not. As for the Tampering Charges or promises made, regardless who the team is, Crabtree doesn’t want to play for the Niners. He knows that he wasn’t going to the " STAR " and we’re not not a Pass Happy Team. That’s what make me think he’s willing to take that Chance ! Let Him sit and if we can find out if the Charges are true, we may be able to get a refund from that team. However, The Commish doesn’t neccesary have to give us a Draft choice, that’s his call and it will depend on if he wants to do. Personally, I don’t think the Commish likes our team/Owners. Just a guess.

by LASVEGASNINER on Sep 23, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder.....

If crabtree even has the so called “itch” to play? It doesn’t seem that way seems like he loves to sit on the couch and watch sportcenter and every analyst rip him saying he’s dumb. If I was him I would listen to all the advice Jerry Rice, and Steve Young, and every other analyst is saying and tell my agent what’s going on here ur making me look like a fool just for a couple extra million that I probably already lost for sitting out this long anyway! At least meet with Jed York face to face and don’t ignore him jeez.

by 49ersAllTheWay on Sep 23, 2009 7:49 AM PDT reply actions  

If God make a mistake on Sunday !

I’m missing a RIB !!!!! Don’t get me wrong, I love them, BUT, Geezs……. On Sunday ?

by LASVEGASNINER on Sep 23, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sando amplifies that a bit..

Doesn’t he? I though Walsh’s “biggest regret” was retiring when he did?

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Sep 23, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

He Hated that decision !!!!

It bother him until his pasting. But He’s in " Football Heaven " with the big BOYS

by LASVEGASNINER on Sep 23, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think...

… he’s “amplifying” it any. He’s merely interpreting the following question very literally (right or wrong is a different issue):

Looking back from the time you took the Niner coaching job in ‘79, if you were able to go back in time and do one thing differently — it could be a play call in a game, a personnel move or whatever — what would the one thing you’d do differently be?

Walsh’s retirement would definitely fall within those bounds but Walsh’s answer didn’t even mention it.

by sfgfan on Sep 23, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see..

The word “regret” anywhere. So saying it’s Walsh’s “Biggest regret” is misleading, since Walsh’s retirement had more of an impact than a draft pick. Besides, Walsh has said many times should have not retired when he did. Compare that to one question, and there you have it.

Sando inserted his own spin on it for a “grab”.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Sep 23, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again.

The word regret may not have been used, but wanting to change something is usually the result of regret, no? As I said, it was his interpretation of the question.

I sure as heck wish Walsh didn’t retire when he did.

by sfgfan on Sep 23, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure...

Ok, Sando is inserting his own interpretation of the magnitude of it.

That’s not splitting a hair here. It’s pretty obvious.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Sep 23, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

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