Vikings 27 - 49ers 24: Injury recap
Maiocco and Barrows have posted injury reports, so I thought I'd pass along some of that information and look ahead to what means next week and beyond. After two relatively injury-free games to start the season, the 49ers leave Minnesota a little more banged-up up than before.
The big injury was to Frank Gore. As Persiflage stated in the recap thread, an NFL Network person is reporting it's a high ankle sprain, although nobody can confirm that one yet. High ankle sprain usually means 3-4 week absence, but even if it's just a simple ankle sprain, the odds of Gore playing against St. Louis next week can't be good. Of course if Gore will be out, one would imagine Kory Sheets will be added to the 53-man roster fairly soon. We never want to see Gore go down, but I have to admit that I'm intrigued to see what Coffee and Sheets can do together in the backfield. And heading into a home game versus the Rams, it could have been a lot worse of a matchup.
The offensive line suffered a loss of Joe Staley to a leg whip-induced right knee contusion and David Baas to a sprained ankle. Baas did return and it sounds like Staley should be fine. However, it's safe to say none of us ever want to see a left side of the line containing Barry Sims and Tony Wragge going forward.
Dre Bly and Reggie Smith both left with injuries before returning. Mike Singletary usually has a press conference Monday around lunch time so hopefully we'll get an update on Bly and Smith. Reggie Smith hasn't exactly been awash in playing time, but depth is always a concern.
In the end, Frank Gore remains the main concern. The Rams may be awful, but a Gore-less 49ers team for an extended period of time is a significantly weakened squad. If Gore is going to miss a few weeks, now is probably the best time for it, as SpurredOn pointed out in the recap thread. The 49ers host the Rams and Falcons and then have a bye week. The Falcons are obviously tough, and the Rams fall in the "Any Given Sunday" category, but it could have been much worse timing.
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I saw Joe Staley back in the game after the injury. The ole’ leg whip play is usually reserved for the start of a playoff game or a very meaning full regular season game.
I guess this means we owe Jared Allen one if we should meet.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gore hurt
After the Gore got hurt in the Seattle game, I knew we should have left him rest. We were up and we did not need Gore anymore. We really need to have Gore rest up for the hard stretch of games that are coming up
by rice3eva on Sep 27, 2009 3:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
SOUL CRUSHING LOSS!!
But they fought like hell the whole game! We got Brett Farve’d AGAIN!
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Sep 27, 2009 3:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We should be fine this next two weeks. Give it to VD!!!!
by 49erSalvatrucha on Sep 27, 2009 3:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Quiz: When was the last time the 9ers lost on a final play TD pass?
I’m just going from memory, but I think it was a pass by the Falcon’s Ron Jaworski to Billy “White Shoes” Johnson back in the early ‘80s. I remember that play very clearly, as it was just as devastating as today’s last play loss.
Any experts here who can verify this? Kezarvet?
by MontanaPass on Sep 27, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How could you forget Billy Joe Hobert’s hail marry pass? Cost us a playoff spot, Jerry Glanville became a celebrity and the Falcons gloated about that win for years.
I’m thinking there was at least one more, isn’t coming to mind though.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of those happened in '87, I think.
That would have been the day my house caught on fire.
by Bob On The Coast on Sep 27, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
I think Brett Farve was sitting on the Falcon bench for that game . . . ugh!
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that Billy Joe Hobart? Thought it was Jaws.
But yeah, that was a real killer. I’m sure White Shoes Johnson was the receiver, though. What was that, about a 60-70 yarder with the endzone packed with jerseys.
by MontanaPass on Sep 27, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're thinking Bratkowski in 1983 when BWSJ was down; a play that helped bring on replay
But as Big Nerd said, the Michael Haynes catch from BJ Tolliver in ’91 when Andre Rison false started/illegal motion and the ref ignored it . Both plays were at Fulton County Stadium. I can not think of one since unless you include O.T… Then the Tim Brown catch in 2000.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ Tolliver
That was his name! Yes, Tim Brown did end the game in overtime against us.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gore out with an injury is not unexpected
As I recall this scenario was discussed and many NN folks had a sense that it would Sheets and Coffee who would pick up the slack, I don’t look for Sheets to come back right away. My guess is that they will look to Robinson to take on some RB duty however we will need to see how it goes with Gore, If his injury takes a while to heal, then you might see some action. For now it won’t really matter unless we can get better performance from the O-line then it won’t matter who is in at the RB position because they aren’t going anywhere.
by WC-Ninerhead on Sep 27, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem with Sheets is pass pro.
He’s not a good blocker on blitz pickups like Gore & Coffee.
by MontanaPass on Sep 27, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
no one seems to want to talk about aspects of being a rb other than running skill.
Sheets has a lot of work to do on his overall game
that being said, I’m really hoping he gets elevated, I’m excited to see if he can produce.
by foosball4949 on Sep 27, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanna see Sheets around the end.
by Bob On The Coast on Sep 27, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether it is Sheets or anybody...The ability to break it to the outside
is missing from the game. Even when the play is designed to to inside, I haven’t seen Gore or Coffer do much to bounce to the outside. Not sure if this is due to Gores sore angle (which I believe he hurt in camp) or if is the line caving in on the outside as well, but what ever the problem is we need to find out what it is and fix it, cause three and out due to a bungled running game isn’t going to get it done as the season goes on.
by WC-Ninerhead on Sep 27, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since we run 60-40
that gives a lot of plays when Sheets doesn’t have to block.
by Bob On The Coast on Sep 27, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't want him pass pro on blitzes
You want him in the flat on a quick pass with open field where he’s beneficial!
BKA optimist prime- Got the Semi runnin' on 49er koolaid!!
Blasphemous beings, the NINERS will never forget!!
by rlott#42 on Sep 27, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seahawks just lost.
And the Cards face Indy tonight. So it could be just another 0-4 week for the NFC West.
by Bob On The Coast on Sep 27, 2009 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking the Cardinals win at home.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 27, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to see them lose
Even though they may move up and tie us for 1st place in the NFC west.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 27, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we win the West
It’ll be because we win that MNF game when AZ comes to town. Which would mean a sweep for us. SO they can win tonight; we control what’s in front of us.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would just as soon they lost.
As bad as this loss was for all of us swallow, how much worse would it have been if this were the Div title and we lost. So all the better to but as much distance between us and the rest of the Div…
by WC-Ninerhead on Sep 27, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Vikes fan (please hold the profanity, I come in peace)
I can say you guys should pull away in the West. The key was being able to already beat AZ in AZ, no?
You all have the physically toughest team in your division and that will wear on them. I can see, as long as the OL can come back, the Niners stay afloat ‘til Gore gets back—then Gore comes back with slightly fresher legs and helps for the stretch run. Doesn’t hurt that in your first 4 weeks, you should be able to be 3-0 in the division.
by Yotum on Sep 27, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heck man, I think it was one devil of a game no one saw coming...
The fact remains that your quarterback had one more miracle than our 3rd down conversionless offense did. Things happen – It’s a kick to the groin for us Niner fans but kudos to the gracious Vike fans such as yourself. I too believe that your team has your division by the neck, and it’ll be an interesting result at the end of the season for where we land in the playoffs. See you guys again in the future, I pray.
by ranger89 on Sep 27, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really want to say that the Vikings played a great game
But I really don’t think they did. The Niners just coughed this one up. I’m reading a lot of stuff on Yahoo! where Vikings fans are saying that Gore wouldn’t have made a difference. I think we all know how false this is, but just to put it in perspective, if Peterson had gone down on his first carry and the Niners had won, I’m pretty sure all we would be hearing about from Viking fans is how they would have won if Peterson had been healthy.
Don't worry about me Thurgood, I'll be fine. The robbery is what's important now.
by the guy on Sep 27, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The vikings played well
Their defense didn’t really give us anything.
We traded Special teams TDs and it just came down to the offense’s inability to put the game away….and maybe you could blame Justin Smith for whiffing on the final play of the game.
Now that I’ve calmed down I can look back and see it as a good game for both teams.
BTW: Tony Dungy calmed me down…..That guy has a god given talent to soothe people….
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 27, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet Gore's injury is not what cost us the game
Let’s not become Seahawks fans with injury excuses.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh geez, Favre interview on SNF. Disgusting.
by MontanaPass on Sep 27, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I love watching football night in America
Tony Dungy, IMO, is the coolest person on TV.
He’s right though, that was a bad call.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 27, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Dungy is cool. But Roman blew the coverage.
And I think it was probably Manusky who called that defense. But I suspect they’ll be practicing that next week, too.
by MontanaPass on Sep 27, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically
That the 49ers called the wrong play.
He actually outlined it.
There were 5 players in the middle of the field but only the 2 CBs protecting the sidelines.
He said that in that situation you have to leave the middle of the field wide open because even if they throw to the middle they’re not going to get the TD with only a few seconds left.
He also said that he made his team practice those situations every Saturday, the opponent is at your 30 yard line with only a few seconds left, you have to defend that play.
He thinks that Mike Singletary will practice the final play of the game more and avoid something like this happening again.
I like how they didn’t suck up to Favre that much.
They said it was mostly on the WR.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 27, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the play happened in the middle of the field
SF likely new they’d go for the end zone so they put more guys in the middle. Which is where the play went.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
????
Did you see the play?
The WR got BEHIND the secondary in the back of the endzone!
SF had to have 7 guys completely covering the endzone, all the corners as well as the back and the front.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 27, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, in the middle of the end zone not near the sidelines
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not the point
It was in the middle but they still didn’t have enough guys there.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 27, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think more guys help on that
We just disagree. Perhaps if we could see the coaches review we’d have a better idea as to where the WRs ran their respective patterns and how the DBs reacted to them. I still don’t think anyone did wrong. Roman bracketed the guy against the backline without being called for interference or holding. That he somehow gets his feet down is to his credit not the fault of the defense
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just relaying what Tony Dungy said.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 28, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was the case
It didn’t make any sense that Roman was the only defender on a pass to the end zone. The 49ers rushed three, their should have been a ton of bodies around that football.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Roman was all alone in the back.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 27, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if he had played it any tighter
he risked being flagged for pass interference. Which would have presented a different negative scenario. I tend to agree with those who suggest that a stronger pass rush may been the right call.. If it doesn’t come down to a better defensive call then we can all just relax and pay homage to Bret Farve for being the HOF QB that he is.. This is how all the other teams in the NFL felt after Montana did his magic.
by WC-Ninerhead on Sep 27, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could have just let the guy catch the ball and shoved him out of the end zone. It was the better play.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
The dude sort of caught it while he was dragging his foot.
It’s kind of hard to push the guy out of the endzone, it all happened really fast.
Either way, we need to let this go, I don’t want to go back and look at that play again and analyze it any more.
Let’s just stop talking about it.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 27, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And still get called for D pas intf. I have seen it called many times...
He could have have, should have, might have, would have,…Bottom line is the guy caught the frigging ball.
When it is all said and done, they beat us, I don’t believe for a second that we “lost” the game.. I am proud of the way the Niners played this game and what I want to see now is how they come back, Yeah some might say that this may be an “easy” game and since we had such a hart breaking loss that we will some how not recover. But the guys need to know that they are still a good team and on the verge of being a “great” team and will need the fan support next week at home… We can be 3-1 and 3-0 in the division by this time next week looking toward Atlanta.here at home. This may look like a " piece of cake" to some and may very well be, but the team needs to focus on what needs to be done not "shoulda, coulda, woulda.
Just a “die hard niner fan” trying to keep things in perspective.
GOOOOO NIIIINNNNNERRRRSSSS
by WC-Ninerhead on Sep 27, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rushed 4
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have yet to see the replay
When Farve tossed the ball I only recall seeing 3 guys battling the offensive line. If that’s the case than that’s an awful pass rush, Farve was given 7-8 seconds to throw.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite
Four rushed, there was a stunt and they lost containment allowing Favre to roll right. Smith was about to sack him but his angle was just off and he missed as he swiped at the ball. Favre was hit by Lawson from behind as he threw. Smith is likely kicking himself for not ending the game right there. But with seven back and most of them guarding the endzone, only a miracle throw and catch could beat you. It happened. It sucks. But its football.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was the bad call?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
see above
Tony Dungy analyzed it.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 27, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I heard Sam Rosen
gobbling off camera.
by Bob On The Coast on Sep 27, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Faith Hill singing on NBC does make me feel a little better...
by Fooch on Sep 27, 2009 5:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You should have watched the pre-game show before
Tony Dungy put a smile on my face.
Plus the TO interview was hilarious.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 27, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please don't make
the picture of Gore above the ‘caption this’ photo.
Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!
by bonbrillio on Sep 27, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is what coach had to say about raye
And they very nearly covered for one of those ill-timed bursts of Jimmy Raye-style conservatism as well. After going ahead 24-20 on the second Davis touchdown reception, Raye called for five Glen Coffee running plays over two three-and-outs which gained a total of minus-two yards, and the second series exhausted only 20 seconds, leaving Favre 89 seconds to play with.
He stumped the band in only 87.
“I totally support everything he did,” Singletary said. “I don’t analyze it. If it had worked, you wouldn’t be writing about it.”
by whitemike1644 on Sep 27, 2009 5:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW
That is very disappointing to hear.
Singletary needs to realize that it isn’t Raye’s team, it is HIS team.
Raye works for him.
He has to make sure that the team can FINISH…..
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 27, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Singletary does not strike me as a head coach who is going to rip his underlings publicly.
Giant season effort summary:
Was just enough ensure the Dodgers won the division.
Was just little enough to ensure the Giants lost the wild card.
by cybermaldonado on Sep 27, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't see what Raye did wrong at the end of the game.
3rd to last drive resulted in TD.
2nd to last drive they tried to sweep the outside and a TE screen.
Last drive was an obvious running situation trying to force the Vikings to burn their timeouts and give their defense the advantage.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thing is if we got a 1st down in that last drive the game probably would have been over. but instead it appeared like we were ok with putting out defense on the field again.
also 0 1st downs on 3rd down is not acceptable.
by whitemike1644 on Sep 27, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of one play what if's would have sealed the win.
What would have said if the 49ers passed on one or all fn those finals downs and still lost game in the closing seconds? Would you blame Raye for not running out the clock and Vikings timeouts? Not giving our defense the best chance to win the game?
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so it sounds like your ok with 0 3rd down conversions… that makes 1 of us.
and i’m sorry but the last 5 plays that coffe had he had a total of negative 2 yards… so yea.
should have mixed it up a lil more yea!
can we change it… no!
would you be preaching the same song if we go through another game where we just give the ball back to see if out D can hold them again… yea doubt you would think what you think right now
by whitemike1644 on Sep 27, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd to last drive they tried to sweep to the outside and a TE screen.
They lost 6 yards mixing up with the sweep to the outside. If they would have run a typical inside run on 2nd down they would have gotten 1st down on the TE screen the following play. That was the result of mixing it up.
But no excuses for lack of 3rd conversions. They tried a bit of everything.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
i remember coffee bobbled the toss i think he would have had the 1st. don’t. but the last 5 plays went to coffee and they were all up the middle aside from 1 toss.
sorry never knew coffee was the one we wanted carrying our team… hell why did norris never get a chance to push the pile?
by whitemike1644 on Sep 27, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think they tried to do something outside the norm on the 2nd to last drive and the offense could not execute. I blame the players more than the play calls. I think that is where we disagree.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they would have run a typical inside run on 2nd down they would have gotten 1st down on the TE screen the following play
This is assuming that the Vikings would call the exact same defense on 3rd-and-7 (if, by some miracle, that hypothetical run up the gut on second down turned into a 5 yard gain) that they called on 3rd-and-17.
Which is a really stupid assumption.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Sep 27, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have taken a 1 yard gain on 2nd down.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Missing the point again.
3rd and 11 is a different defensive play call than 3rd and 17.
Likewise, I doubt that Raye calls the TE screen on 3rd and 11.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Sep 28, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A screen on 3rd and 11 is a decent call. It’s giving the offense a good chance to make a play if the defense blitzes. Getting 11 yards is in the realm of possibility.
by bignerd on Sep 28, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea but at least a “we will look at the tape” eh he knows if he says that tomrrow the headline will be “singletary and raye are feuding!”
by whitemike1644 on Sep 27, 2009 6:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I Can
Guarantee that Singletary ripped Greg Menusky and Mark Roman in private after the game. He isn’t going to do that in public, he is not Mike Nolan. The best way for him to deal with it was exactly how he did. Act a part in public while singing a different tune in private. I know Singletary ripped Coffee at half, that was reported by FOX. But he would never rip a player or coach in public especially if it was in the passion of the game. Not the stupid and blatant mistake, foe example the Vernon Davis penalty last season.
Also it is Singletary’s team but he cannot micromanage the team either. In order to the 49ers to be successful he must have trust in the other coaches. You coaching staff is only as good as the lowest coach on the totem poll and Singletary knows this. No reason to critique a man that has brought this franchise from one of despair to one where it is “shocking” that we lost on the road to one of the leagues elite teams on the final play. Just thing of where we were at this point last season. And the loss won’t sting as much
Papa Smurf Told Me To Do It!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Sep 27, 2009 6:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t believe Singletary is the type of coach that does a lot of finger pointing after a loss. I’m sure he will blame Manusky and himself for the defensive play call at the end. As for Roman, they may think of putting someone else in the game in obvious prevent coverage situations. Overall, I thought Roman has done well in playing pseudo linebacker role in nickel and dime situations. This is first time I’ve caught him playing deep coverage, so far he has had underneath responsibility.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Last Play
Was absolutely absurd. Roman had the player cornered in the back of the endzone, he needs to make a play on the ball. That said he played a pretty good game overall and has been solid in the dime package all season. When they don’t ask him to do what we all know he can’t do he will succeed. This is why he is our 6th defensive back, he has holes in his game that Goldsen doesn’t have.
Papa Smurf Told Me To Do It!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Sep 27, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually feel really good about this game
other than Gore’s injury. And IF he can come back in a few weeks, it may be a blessing in disguise, if Coffee gets some confidence. It may sound weird but I think this loss will be good for the team in the long run. Kind of bitter medicine that makes you stronger.
Less than a year ago SF was a pathetic team with no future. Suddenly we are disappointed that they didn’t beat the Vikings, a team with possibly the best offensive player, one of the best defenses overall, and a hall of fame qb. That’s an amazing turnaround, almost too quick. Overall the 49er offense didn’t play all that well. If they had won, everyone might be satisfied and complacent that they had “arrived”, 3 games into the season.
Singletary is builidng something slowly and deliberately, and I’m beginning to see that. The niners played with awesome effort without their best player, with a “journeyman” qb, no name receivers, left it all out on the field, and it took a miracle play to beat them. That is effort and attention to detail. Put it this way: If we could play 16 games where the opponent had to complete a 32-yard TD at the last second to beat us, I take those odds EVERY single time.
Regarding all the running, I would have complained about it in years past, especially with the Niners’ glorious passing history. But Singletary is convincing me. He believes a great team should be able to run when it has to, even if everyone in the stadium knows it’s coming. That’s what Mike is trying to establish bit by bit, and that last drive was a part of that. It’s “sacrificing” something now for future gain. The goal is that at the end of the game you can run no matter what and say “sorry but there is nothing you can do to stop us, you have already lost”. Maybe I eat my words later. But again, if the “failure” for now is that the other team has to have a miracle to beat you, as I said I’ll take that every time.
by monophonik on Sep 27, 2009 6:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
AMEN SIR, AMEN!
People will have to look twice to realize that the Niners are in for reckoning with the best after they’re done lauding Favre – it took a miracle to beat us, and I think that after this, the Niners will be dedicated avoiders of the loss and “Miracle Killers” to the end. They will NOT forget this, nor will they dwell on it.
by ranger89 on Sep 27, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now It Is Time To Step It Up
The 49ers may have just proven that they belong with the big boys. Before we were looking at 8-8 or maybe 9-7 and sneaking into the playoffs. And now after this performance the 49ers has shown that they are a real good team and 10 or even 11 wins is possible. Looking ahead we have games against the Falcons, Colts, Titans, Bears, Packers and Eagles which will be telling of how we expect to contend come playoff time, assuming of course we continue this play and down under perform. Yes folks the 49ers are for real, legit and a contender in the NFC
Papa Smurf Told Me To Do It!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Sep 27, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course if Gore will be out, one would imagine Kory Sheets will be added to the 53-man roster fairly soon. We never want to see Gore go down, but I have to admit that I’m intrigued to see what Coffee and Sheets can do together in the backfield.
One silver lining in a dark, dark day.
"We’ll see them again in the playoffs." - Mike Singletary, right after the Week 3 Minnesota game
by Persiflage on Sep 27, 2009 7:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Does he play OT on running plays?
I don’t know how he will get outside. Our tackles haven’t kept the defensive ends from crumpling up the line of scrimmage on run downs the entire season.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This won't be
much of an issue against the Rams. But moving forward when we go up against the likes of Mario Williams, Dwight Freeney and John Abraham then it will be. I expect the 49ers to adjust offensively and disguise this weakness. They did it a couple times with Norris taking on Jared Allen, that worked with success a couple of times. Also they can bring Vernon Davis in and have him act like a tackle on running plays, this would also free him up for the play action. FYI Davis is the best blocking TE in football and is now turning the corner on the receiving end. He can be the best we need!!!
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by nocal81 on Sep 27, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coffee needs to read his blocks much better. I can see why Singletary jumped on him at half time. I counted 4 times he ran in the opposite direction of his block.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's
pretty much inexperience right there. I bet he wasn’t asked to block much at Bama. He will improve in this aspect as he gains more experience. The reason Singletary got on him is because they have been working with him on this for months now and he cannot make those mistakes in game action. I am sure Coffee took the critique constructively and will attempt to get better regarding this, i also expect Rathman to have one on one sessions with him on this during the week.
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by nocal81 on Sep 27, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who do you cut to add him to the 53 man roster?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Question.
I am thinking possibly Allen Rossum or Ricky-Jean Francois. If we have Sheets on the active roster there really isn’t a need for Rossum. As he doesn’t play much on the defensive side of the ball and Sheets can back-up Spurlock returning punts and kicks.
I also have another question. How much worse can Alex Boone be then Barry Sims. Would it really hurt to cut Sims and add Boone? I just don’t see one thing that Barry Sims does to add to this team. NOT ONE, well except for the tatts
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by nocal81 on Sep 27, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Sims played well today
I say that while acknowledging that I didn’t know for a while that he was in the game, as Fox was too busy with Favre love to notice such things. I do recall Boone in the final preseason game being run around on multiple pass plays.
As for who to cut, if Sheets were to be added why not cut Spurlock? Am I right that he has zero receptions in three games? Other than Taser and backup return man, what does he do?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't You Rather Have
Spurlock then Rossum?
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by nocal81 on Sep 27, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know
Spurlock has never done it for us before. I know Rossum is easy to jump on but he had two good returns today and doesn’t turn the ball over. He also had a TD called back last week. When it comes to punt returners, ball security and knowing when to catch it vs let it bounce is more important than big play potential.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Also
dropped two kickoffs, almost fumbled a punt return and went out of bounds untouched twice. Look i have absolutely nothing against Rossum. He has done what we have asked of him over the last two seasons, he is an ultimate pro and it doesn’t hurt that he is a golden dome alum. But i think it may be time to go with Spurlock on returns.
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by nocal81 on Sep 27, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Would Also
Open up a roster spot for Sheets without shortening our depth in other positions. Just a train of thought is all
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by nocal81 on Sep 27, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Curtis Taylor gets pushed down. Isn’t my judgment but basing it on the roster moves the team has done so far.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it's a receiver
it may be Hill.
After all, Brandon Jones is the money man. If Crabtree ever signs then Spurlock should be worried.
But with this kind of running game they need three real running backs, and Robinson, for all his versatility, is not a real running back you want to be handing off to for twenty times a game.
by Bob On The Coast on Sep 27, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder why Spurlock has not gotten touches on KO return
Makes you wonder cause that would seem to be an area he’s deserving of a chance. I don’t worry about today’s bobbles cause it’s not his norm. Makes me think the dome ceiling got the better of him. Plus once was in the endzone on a touchback.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I Said
I am not attempting to dog Allen Rossum in anyway, he has done everything asked of him. I am just wondering aloud if we are at the point that we don’t need his services anymore. By allowing Spurlock to return punts and kicks, something he did with success in Tampa Bay, we would be able to open up another roster spot in an area in which we need it more. I do agree that attempting to demote RJF to the practice squad comes at a major risk as it would with Curits Taylor. So this would be the move San Francisco may have to think hard about in the next day or two.
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by nocal81 on Sep 27, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RJF?
He hasn’t been active for any games right?
And if you cut him you can still put him on the practice squad (?)
As for Simms, didn’t he get flagged for a false start on his first snap?
He played a little bit better after that, but still.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 27, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want a drop a guy to the practice squad that won’t get picked up by another team. RJF plays at a position that is premium in the league, thus it’s likely he would be lost.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
But didn’t Reggie Smith get hurt?
They need the depth at S.
We shall see what happens soon enough
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 28, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reply Fail
The RJF point was in response to chikmagnet
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by nocal81 on Sep 27, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watching the Colts-Cards game and I can't help but think..
that Jimmy Raye should take notes on how Indie runs end- arounds and screens for Dallas Clark. Davis would be perfect for those kind of plays given his speed. it would also force teams to spread out a little more laterally instead of stacking 8 in the middle of the box..
by ThermoElectro on Sep 27, 2009 7:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 One Thing Is For Sure
They must call more plays for Vernon Davis. You are 100 percent correct regarding how the Colts are using Dallas Clark in this game. San Francisco has to find mismatches for Davis like Indy is doing with Clark, example was a LB trying to cover Clark on a crossing route. That didn’t work out too well and Indy scored. I cannot see any LB in the league running with Davis on these same types of routes. The man is an absolute beast and it shouldn’t be that hard to find mismatches especially on the screens and crossing routes.
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by nocal81 on Sep 27, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id davis has truly found rhythm with Hill
Then this offense will find its full potential. He had over 90 yards receiving today. If this guys can go over 70 yards per game, catch a TD every game or so and convert some third downs (as he did both vs AZ and Seattle) it will keep the LBs off the line of scrimmage and draw the attention of the safeties. At some point that also opens it up for the WRs.
I’ve heard Steve Young and other QBs say that a QBs best friend should be his TE.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
offense
One would think. I’m actually working on a post about the 49ers offense for tomorrow AM. You definitely make a good point.
by Fooch on Sep 27, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not all bad
I think Glenn Coffee ran for as many yards as Adrian Peterson, around 55 each.
Before the final drive where the 49ers went into the prevent defense to play the clock advantage, Shaun Hill had 195 yards passing, 2 TD and 1 Int while Brett Favre had 221 yards passing, 1 TD and 1 INT. So comparatively the 49ers offense was on par with the Vikings. Unless you look at 3rd down conversions.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until that last drive almost all stats were even
We needed one conversion on offense or one knock down on defense. Heck, the Vikings offense had zero second half points until that last play.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My kingdom for a first down.
by Bob On The Coast on Sep 27, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't even have a kingdom!
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 27, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's still an if with Vernon
But his receptions in all three games have been chain movers and now scores. I want this guy to arrive because the TE position, especially with such a big and fast guy like him, can make Hills life so much easier. He would become the major focal point (after Gore) for D-coordinators. That certainly should then open it up for 1 on 1 with our WRs.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i swear i watch other teams play and they all do soooo much with their offense. the last 3 niner games i’ve watched i swear i’m having deja vu because the only thing different is the team we are playing.
by whitemike1644 on Sep 27, 2009 7:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NFC West 0-4 today
We retain our one-game lead in the very early NFC West race. At least we have that.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
by Yoyo on Sep 27, 2009 7:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not Just A One Game Lead
But with victories over both of our closest competitors. Hey i know we could be 3-0 right now and two games ahead of both Arizona and Seattle. But it is done with and we must move on.
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by nocal81 on Sep 27, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frank Gore does not have a high ankle sprain
Means he is probably back after the bye instead of being questionable.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 8:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Start Coffee working with the first string and elevate Sheets.
by Bob On The Coast on Sep 27, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
read my mind
i was just looking at the schedule and i think if we sit gore to rest the ankle we can have him ready for the falcons the week after. if not then hey he gets 4 weeks off so i’m ok if he is not ready to go for the falcons… given than coffee doesn’t make me want to punch myself.
by whitemike1644 on Sep 27, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Falcons
Aren’t so strong up front.
They can roll with Coffee for the next two weeks which would give Gore enough time to fully come back without worrying about his ankle.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 27, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One gripe about the officiating that I never heard the announcers comment on.
Did the Vikings D-linemen (namely, Jared Allen) appear to be offsides on multiple occasions with no call from the ref to anybody else? One example I’m thinking of is the first play of the game when Shaun Hill got the ball swatted out of his hand. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here… anybody else notice that or was I just seeing things?
by WhiteBuffalo on Sep 27, 2009 10:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Youre completely right
I had seats on the 40 yard line behind the vikings bench and got a great view of the LOS. The Vikes lined up offsides multiple times and no one seemed to care. None us us, all the vikings fans around me included, seemed to know what half of the penalties called were for. very poor game from the officiating perspective, A High school crew couldve done better
by Camraman926 on Sep 27, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
really I’m just thankful that I’m not completely crazy. I saw it happen literally at least five times and was screaming at my TV, wondering why the hell the announcers wouldn’t even note the obvious foul on the replay. This also begs the question: why the hell wasn’t Singletary chewing out the refs after obvious offsides calls?
by WhiteBuffalo on Sep 27, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A handful of times
That first play of the game and once later, it was the middle LB coming to blitz and his full helmet was across the LOS. Awful officiating. Sing did get on the Side Judge after the second time Minnesota jumped w/out a flag.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i noticed the offsides too
and it really annoyed mean. I’m all for losing graciously, but those offsides could have made a difference in the game.
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Sep 27, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Was Just Watching The Game On DVR
And i am not going to harp on the refs nor am i going to cry and blame the loss on them. But i will point this out
1. Justin Smith rolled over on Favre and the called that a Penalty. How exactly was Smith supposed to stop in the middle of the tackle?
2. Spencer’s taunting penalty: So apparently a player cannot celebrate a very good play he made? An important play he made? In no way was he taunting the Vikings WR, he was just celebrating the play he made
3. Jared Allen was off-side 4 times in the game that i counted, none of them were called.
4. There was a holding penalty against Vikings OT- Phil Loadholt in the end zone when Favre completed that long pass to Berrien. Now i know that you don’t call a holding in the end zone unless it is blatant, but i challenge you to go back to that play and tell me it wasn’t blatant. That should have been a safety.
5. Griffin held Josh Morgan on that 3-13 play that we didn’t convert on, it was obvious holding and messed up the timing route, otherwise Hill threw a great pass and it would have been completed.
Now that is two personal foul penalties that ended up resulting in a gift FG. A non call on a hold in the end zone that would have caused a safety. 4 off-side penalties that were not called, at least one of them would have resulted in a 1st down. And a non holding call that would have gave the 49ers a first down across mid field.
That said we can blame the refs all we want but we left too many plays on the field, called a horrible final defensive series, failed to convert on ONE 1st down, allowed a kick off return for a TD.
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by nocal81 on Sep 27, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
those are all my gripes in a nutshell...
I also think I remember our DE or Lawson getting held on Peterson’s single long run as he bounced to the outside.
Now I challenge you to cut all those clips into a single file, upload it to youtube, and send the link to all the sports journalists in the Bay Area. Oh, and one more example of a bad call, but this one went AGAINST the Vikings- the PF for the hit to the head of Shaun Hill did not appear to be PF-worthy. I could be wrong though.
by WhiteBuffalo on Sep 27, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blaming refs is gax..
Good teams can overcome the refs. Guess what? The 49ers almost did.
The “Catch II” would have never happened if the refs made the right call, you know.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 27, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, you're right..
That call on the Vikes wasn’t PF worthy.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 27, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Jon Grudden the refs never call holding on the final play of the game.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well..
Gruden. Brady.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 27, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, don’t want to play that game. We lost on the last play. The offense couldn’t run the ball enough when they needed to. Every game has a few questionable calls.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey...
Did you have fun watching this game. I sure the hell did. I don’t care if the 49ers lost. Every team can lose a game.
That’s the bottom line. This was a great game. One of the best games the 49ers have played in years.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 28, 2009 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m also a Sac Kings fan. I gave up on moral victories a long time ago. I should say moral victories were tortured out of me.
Entertaining game but I will take ugliness of Week 1 Cards game any time.
by bignerd on Sep 28, 2009 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A game being close =\= a game being played well.
For me personally, the main reason that the loss was so excruciating was because we didn’t play very well.
If we were 5-for-11 on third downs and had only four 3-and-outs, instead of seven, then I would be much more willing to say that, “it was a well-played game and we were beaten by a miracle play. It happens. What can you do?”
Instead, I’m torn to shreds thinking of how many different ways we could have easily won that game simply by excecuting on the countless opportunities that we had laid out in front of us.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Sep 28, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
blaming the refs IS "gay"
you are correct, because the vast majority of plays are called correctly, and in the end refs are only human. But when it is something blatantly obvious happening over and over again, like the offsides shenanigans, I think it deserves its due diligence. In the end, the refs did not cost us the game. The Bush Administration did.
by WhiteBuffalo on Sep 27, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do yourself a favor...
don’t watch the NBA. More bad calls per play, that has more impact.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 28, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
please please please do NOT call it the "Catch II"
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
by 49erLou on Sep 28, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The long run by Peterson was more the fault of Lewis who lost containment by jumping inside. Even if Lawson was held, if Lewis does his job that’s a maybe a 4 or 5 yd gain. I do agree that the PF for hitting Hill was iffy (much like the holding call on Lewis that allowed Minnesota’s first TD drive to continue) but Hill was later hit right in the face w/out a penalty. I tend to believe that the little holds and calls an dotehr judgement calls even out over a game.
The lining up offsides (quite clear to see) and taunting penalty were awful. The former is right in front of you; no excuse. The latter is one of those moments where a ref makes it all about him and injects himself into the game, which should never be the goal.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Sep 28, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anything on the Leg Whip that took out Staley
Judgment day is coming!
by Widowwolf on Sep 28, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally saw the replay
The 49ers did rush 4 on the final play.
Kentwan Balmer is going to get a butt chewing for his effort on that final play. If he wasn’t jogging and trying decide whether to drop back or rush the QB he would have met Brett Favre in the passing line before the launch of the rocket ball.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 10:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lee and Singletary are to blame for the loss
Lee messed up the last 2 punts….With his experience they should have started the last drive on the 2yd line.
Singletary not allowing any passing the last 2 times the NINERS had the ball. The reality is coming to roost….he is a 8-8 coach in a good year….guess jesus was not with his niners today….
by cdapaca on Sep 27, 2009 10:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
8-8 Coach?
Can i have some of what you are smoking? I mean are you serious? How do you come to this conclusion? Are you living in the Family Guy parallel universe? I mean seriously!!!!!!!!
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by nocal81 on Sep 27, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He lives in the same...
Universe as you do. His math just adds differently.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Sep 27, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fooch is going to ban you hanging the blame on Andy Lee. You’d be better off insulting his mother.
by bignerd on Sep 27, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
some mistakes
coffee was 25 for 54 and peterson was 19 for 85 thats a 2.2 ypc compared 4.5… big difference. Four rushed on the last play of the game as they crashed right(defensive side) and had smith loop around, allowing favre room to the right side.. i believe our o-line needs to be revamped. they allow too much penetration and lots of blocking miscues and are not fit for the “power running” style raye strives for. The last offensive series i believe was smart, conservative coaching. you do not want to stop the clock for the vikings and the d was stopping them the whole second half. You dont gamble with the lead. I do however think Raye is doing poorly in ADAPTING to what the defense is doing. The seams were open all game vernon should have had 20 catches. Its obvious now that every opponent so far sees how they can completely neutralize our run game with blitzing up the middle so ADAPT
by itsAteamGAME on Sep 28, 2009 1:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A bit of a counter to your own argument.
Its obvious now that every opponent so far sees how they can completely neutralize our run game with blitzing up the middle so ADAPT
This, I think, is exactly why you can’t really lay the blame on the offensive line for the lack of a stable running game. If the defense knows what you’re doing, knows how to stop it, and you still call plays into the heart of their attack over and over to the exact same result…then there’s really not much that the line can do.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Sep 28, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
very true
my criticisms of the o-line were directed wrongly and was mostly the play-calling. And i wasnt aware of the 35-yd. run i had to work and only saw the fourth Qtr. :( i just looked at the post-game stats thanks fooch for the perspective
by itsAteamGAME on Sep 28, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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