Panthers Watch 2009: MNF Panthers-Cowboys Game Thread
by David Fucillo on Sep 28, 2009 5:00 PM PDT
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As most folks are aware, our San Francisco 49ers currently possess the Carolina Panthers 2010 first round draft pick. Due to that these last couple weeks I've rolled out our Panthers Watch 2009. We might as well keep track of how the Panthers are doing since a high first round pick would be most beneficial for the 49ers.
Prior to today, the posts have been Sunday night recaps of the Panthers games (game 1 and game 2). Today, with the Panthers facing the Cowboys on Monday Night Football, we get a chance to view our Panthers in action. A loss to the Cowboys will drop the Panthers to 0-3 heading into their bye week. I certainly don't think they're going to go win-less, but given their struggles, they could be in serious trouble. Speaking of which, next week, given the Panthers bye, I think I'll post a rather quick game-by-game breakdown of the rest of their schedule. Also, for those wondering, thanks to SaDak9er for suggesting the Pink Panther Watch. We're working on something more permanent, but I like this for now.
As for this game, the Cowboys are definitely not a world-beater at this point. They'll be a bit short-handed tonight with Marion Barber inactive, meaning Felix Jones starts and Tashard Choice becomes the #2 back. For the first time in a long time I find myself rooting for the Cowboys, but I honestly think an upset could happen. The Cowboys are a 9 point favorite, but I just don't trust them. But we can hope for the best right? Or at least the best for the 49ers. I mean it's not like the Panthers inspire any more confidence.
And if you get bored, there's always the Andy Lee Drinking Game for the monstrosity that is Jerry Jones' jumbotron. Just substitute in the Panthers for Andy Lee.
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I know, I know
But I can’t root for the Cowboys. I hate them very much, and I’m clinging to a 93-79 lead in my fantasy league and my opponent has Romo and Williams. How bout Panthers knock Romo and Williams out of the game, then Cowboys win 9-6?
I can't root for the 'Girls either
No matter what. I’m ok with a 15-1 record.
I’m in the same boat with my team, only I’m clinging to a narrow 3.5 pt lead and my opponent has Nick Folk (Dallas’ kicker) on his team, so I need them to do very bad.
Unlike the rest of you I wrapped up all of my fantasy matchups
In fact, if the Dallas D scores 12 fantasy pts I win the ass kicker of the week award.
I have DeAngelo Williams in all three of my leagues, but I don’t even need him this week
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 28, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a win-win situation for us ......
Panthers lose, draft pick gets better
Cowboys lose… well the Cowboys lost nuff said
Win-Win
It's tempting
I would like to see the Panthers lose for the higher draft choice. Then one the other hand the Cowboys lose and it’s in JerryLand on Monday Night.
Too hard to chose. Right now it is a win-win.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
Come on now
A Panthers loss is much better for the Niners.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL...Dallas
There opening was ruined by their rival last Sunday.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
I don't think I can cheer for Dallas
I wish Carolina would win this week and finish 1-15.
That would make this guy a happy camper.
As much as many of us...
including myself dislike TO, there was nothing greater than what he did to Dallas as a Niner with the star ball plant
Go Panthers!
I'll take either a Panthers' win or loss.
After all, we could get the #1 with the Panthers going 1-15.
Who’d the Niners want in the first round next year? Maybe we can trade down and get a bunch.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 28, 2009 5:44 PM PDT reply actions
I don't think DE is a need
Smith, Sopoaga, McDonald, and Balmer is a good rotation.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Leave it to the Cowboys to try to stick it to the Niners by losing to the Panthers tonight... Bastards.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Yeah
They really sucked on that drive… oh wait they went 60 yards.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope
JUst pointing out the Cowboys are playing well. They aren’t “sticking it to the Niners”.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I honestly can't believe a Niners fan would root for the Panthers
You’d hurt your own team just to see Dallas lose, makes zero sense to me…
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 5:52 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah but,
It’s Dallas! I will root against Dallas until the day I die.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
Well your rooting against the Niners too then
If the Panthers win it hurts the Niners. You should be able to overcome your hate of other teams to help your own in my opinion.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
for me..
I only root for Dallas when they play Tampa Bay, because I lived there and hate the Bucs more than any team ever of all time. I hate them so much that if I owned the Niners it would be in everyone’s contract if we play the Bucs and lose, you are fired. The whole team from players, coaches, management, trainers, etc. Everyone!
But Dallas is a close 2nd nonetheless
Well frankly, I don't understand that at all
What if this is the difference between getting a great player in the draft and getting a bust? (Of course, it might not be but having a better draft position helps). Seeing Dallas lose is more important to you? That is just beyond incomprehensible to me.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess you dont live where I do either...
Raiders and Cowboys most popular teams where I live.. so that sucks too.
It is kinda of like
My favorite team is the Niners and anyone who is playing the Cowboys (or Buccaneers)
Doesn't matter
Rooting against my own team is something I would never do, regardless of how much I dislike the other team. That is in effect what you are doing if you root for the Panthers.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you sure
You want to hurt the Niners in future years just so the Cowboys look bad?
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
uh huh
because the 2010 draft along with the Panthers 1st round pick will be the definitive result for the success of the Niners bar none. Everything that rest on the Niners future will be the result of the Panthers, because having the Niners accept their own fate through their own actions is downright anti-fan. I get it now. Thank you.
No you really don't
The difference in the draft position might be the difference in getting an impact player or not. But you don’t care, you’d rather see the Cowboys lose, regardless of the fact that it could severely hurt the Niners in the future. Rooting for the Panthers has zero chance of helping the Niners.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe maybe
if the Niners went 1-15 and the cowboys went 0-16 I would be happy with the Niners.
remember the Niners were the first to win 5
and the Steelers have now won 6, which produces hate too
so if the Niners do better than the cowboys and/or the cowboys dont win a SB to get 6 before the Niners and most in the NFC as well, is always a successful seasom to me
But the Niners haven't done well
They have been terrible the last 5 years, and you are rooting for something that potentially hurts them long term in the future as well.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
life in not fair
i guess
how boring would it be if the niners won sb’s for 10+ years in a row, i doubt the NFL would exist after such a stunt after lower ticket and tv ratings
it is all a cycle i enjoy the ride
Fair enough I guess.
10 years in a row would probably be enough, haha.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Your obviously not a Niners fan. We want the Cowboys to lose every game, no matter how it affects us.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Sep 28, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rooting AGAINST the Niners makes you a Niner fan
That’s some interesting logic you got there…
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't forgive me
I’ve done nothing wrong. I prefer seeing the success of my team over the failure of others. If you don’t feel that way than whatever, I suppose you’ve enjoyed how the last 5 years of football have turned out.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes its a lost cause
Brendan most not know are about the Cowboys being are mortal enemies.
They won't be 1-15
Of that I am sure.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Dallas = teh suq
I didn’t expect Carolina to go 0-16 so a win against Dallas is fine by me
Yes
And the difference between 5-11 and 6-10 could be 3-4 draft spots. It makes a difference because the Panthers aren’t going to go 0-16.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes but...
we still have our 1st round, so im sure a top 5 possibly 3 would trade down for both our picks for their one if we really wanted to get someone and knew we could in such a trade. So I see no problem in rooting against Dallas, who stopped us from getting to several SB’s
we just need to make sure we sign them... hahahaha
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Hopefully...
if we are at least a playoff team/contender if will not be a problem, because most people would choose a ring over an extra 2-3 million a year. Memories are priceless.
That's an even worse scenario
Trading both 1st rounders for 1 top 5 pick?? You don’t understand how that would be way worse than having a top 5 pick from the Panthers and also getting our own 1st rounder?
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you...
underestimate the FA market when the Niners are in great cap shape. Getting a couple proven players is better than signing two 1st round picks imo
There's no point arguing this
If you don’t understand the value of 2 first round picks then you need to learn a bit more about how the draft and free agency work.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
That really proved your point there
How is he relevant at all?
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
that...
first round picks arent all that from both a financial and statistical standpoint. proven plays are always an easier and more guaranteed gamble
They are not easier
They are much, much more expensive. Guaranteed? Not really. They are usually older and likely to decline early on in the deal, whereas draft picks build the foundation of your team.
The reason the Niners have been so bad in recent years is because they haven’t drafted well, not because their free agent signings have been bad.
How many of the Pats, Colts, and Steelers impact players were free agents and how many were draft picks? Great teams are built through the draft.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
what?
the Pats are a vet team hands down for the past 8 years or so. yes they got lucky in the draft, these things happen, yet the Pats success, even to this day, is because of proven vets that understand how to make the right decisions and the right time to be successful
Not really
I think all of their starters on offense except for Welker and Moss were acquired through the draft. And they drafted Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Mayo, Bruschi, Samuel in the draft too. They’ve had some good FA signings and trades to supplement their talent, but their incredible drafting is what built their dynasty.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
dude we have two first rounders
chill out and let people root for whoever they want to root for
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
this years draft is gonna be a lot more top heavy too. last year I wasn't too thrilled with the guys deemed #10 worthy outside of Raji and Oher...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Then it makes even less sense to root for the Panthers.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually this is wrong
A Niners fan rooting for the Panthers makes zero sense either way. If you want to root against the Niners I’m not sure why you’d call yourself a NIners fan.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Better than a win I suppose
Still worse than the Panthers losing though.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
ok Brendan,
stop. We get it, you don’t share the same hatred of the ’boys that should be intrinsic to every 49er fan. Did you forget the 92-93 conference championship man? We should have beaten the Bills, not those arrogant pricks.
But regardless, I get that we should not root for the panthers. I’m fine with that. Not rooting for the panthers is not exactly the same thing as rooting for the cowboys anyway.
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
No I don't remember
I was 3 years old in 1992 and I didn’t even know what football was. :-)
Sorry, but to me rooting against your team (even indirectly) because of some personal hatred is just obnoxiously dumb.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Now it all
makes sense. Maybe now that you want the Cowboys to win they will and make the playoffs because of this one win and then beat the Niners in the NFC champ game and then win the SB and you can understand :)
Maybe
It’s not like I’ve never rooted for teams that lost in the playoffs before though. I don’t root for the detriment of my team later because of it, I root for my team to get better and get back to the playoffs as fast as possible.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh crap.. on the MNF game they are already hyping next weeks game
GB vs Vikes and guess what play they are focusing on as a teaser???
Maybe
Brendan can tells how rooting for Favre is being a Niner fan too?
haha sorry Brandan, no hate here, you just have been setting yourself up ;)
I hate Farve
You’ll get no arguments from me rooting against him (Unless they play the Panthers of course!). ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Another flag?
Just end this game. At this point, I don’t care who wins.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
What a boring game
At least there’s no Kornheiser anymore (Now nobody better disagree with me on this one lol).
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:40 PM PDT reply actions
Delhomme
is the best QB on our team!
by mountaindew77 on Sep 28, 2009 6:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If S.F. is going to get a better pick, then
Romo got to look better now cause this game sucks !
Jake Delhomme will find a way to throw a INT on the next attempt.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
A little quick fantasy advice needed
Would you guys trade Leon Washington for Clinton Portis in a .5 PPR league? Not sure if this dude is joking or not be he just offered me this trade, saying he was tired of Portis sucking. Good trade right?
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 6:55 PM PDT reply actions
Portis has better upside
I don’t think the Skins turn the season around. That’s always scaring wondering which players are going to pack it in early for the season.
Yeah
I don’t know, it seems like a good buy low steal, but maybe I am just too caught up in the name when Portis is actually in steady decline.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
True
Leon Washington plays for the Jets? I think I’d rather hold onto him and count on a Portis and Thomas Jones decline.
Yes the Jets.
Jones was terrible yesterday, 14 carries for 20 yards.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Take a look at this before you make that trade ...
That would be difficult to say with the problems the Skins are going through now
Thanks for the link
Not sure what to think now.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Trading a decent player .....
For an injured player, in a team that is in flux.
Clinton Portis has been a great fantasy back in the past, but its hard to say what he will do the rest of the year.
If I had a decent running back already and was not using Leon Washington week in, week out, I would make the trade on the possibility that he will get back on track and maybe be something good about playoff time.
If you had to play him every week, you will rue that trade. He is definitely not a good choice to play at this time till you know what his coach is going to do and how badly hurt he is.
I wouldn't need him every week
I have Marion Barber, Marshawn Lynch, Knowshon Moreno, Lendale White, and Jamaal Charles as my other RB’s. We have to start 2 RB’s and there is one FLEX spot, so I’d definitely be using Portis some of the time.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Might be worth it then...
Leon Washington has never been an every down back in the NFL. Hes had some good games and Thomas Jones is not doing well, but the Jets are winning with Washington doing what he has always done since being in the league (3rd down back mainly).
Also you need to ask yourself how often you were going to play Washington. He has not been bad this year but his numbers are similar to a hurt player who’s team is in flux in Portis
http://www.nfl.com/players/clintonportis/profile?id=POR792942
http://www.nfl.com/players/leonwashington/profile?id=WAS503628
LOL, The Cowboys can't even get this right
I would not mind seeing the Cowboys take another nose dive this season but can they wait til after the Panther game?
rooting for the cowboys
would be like rooting for the dodgers…ain’t gonna happen. sorry for the grenade, but there it is…
Halftime
Gotta say, the Cowboys suck. I mean, this year, on the field, they really, you know, suck. I think the Skins have competition for the bottom of the NFC East.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 28, 2009 7:00 PM PDT reply actions
Nah
The Cowboys are better than the Skins. The Skins look truly bad, the Cowboys played the Giants pretty evenly.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
No
Jim Zorn makes Jimmy Raye seem radical with his playcalling.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
Lol
One thing I do actually like about Zorn though is his aggressiveness on 4th down. Otherwise, yeah he’s terrible.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Duh
That was as bad as the Favre over the line of scrimmage play.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
Lol at that play
I was screaming to everyone at the sportsbar where I watching the game that he was way over the line, but no one else seemed to notice until they showed the replay.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Idiot rookie tight end
How can you false start at the 1 foot line? It’s like mathmatically impossible…
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions
I want the Panthers to lose
but I want the Cowboys to lose. This is one of those games. You root for concussions.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 28, 2009 7:40 PM PDT reply actions
How funny would it be to see Jerry Jones's expression again?
After a second home loss in the new 1.3 billion dollar stadium… it would look like someone crapped in his wheaties
I want the high draft pick, but either way it’ll be fine with me…
I just saw a fleet of mexican flags in Cowboy stadium. I thought the new stadium was in Arlington not Guadalajara, haha
Ahhhh I wish for a tie,, at least niether can claim a win
But if one mus be a winner then I root for the panthers ( suck it up cow fans…)
LOL
Dallas secondary is still awful. The slowest WR in the NFL just got behind him them. I don’t care if used a chainsaw to get open, that’s pathetic. Even the Skins can put up points against that defense.
That was a terrible call
I almost feel bad for the panthers there. They were robbed a TD.
He touched the CB
You can’t do that.
It was a dumb play by the WR, he didn’t even need to touch him…..
God these fools can’t go a few seconds without mentioning Brett Favre
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 28, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
2 games?
Not exactly much to judge the guy on.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
He's never been bad in the playoffs IIRC
Bobbled field goal snap aside. It’s more of a team wide struggle.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
I didn’t say he was good in that game, but he wasn’t that bad.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't have the numbers on hand
But as I remember it he seemed starstruck and hapless his 1st game and Jessica-struck and absolutely impotent his 2nd
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Here's his numbers from the 2 games
Seahawks game in 07: 17-29, 189 yards, 1 TD, 0 Int’s, 2 sacks
Giants game in 08: 18-36, 201 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int, 2 sacks
Like I said he wasn’t great but there’s no way you can convince me he was terrible either. His lone interception from either game came on the last play of the Giants game when he threw a desperation pass into the endzone and it was intercepted.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed then
Just the image of poor rookie Tony oh-no fumbling that fg hold… that’ll keep me warm on cold nights for years to come.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Back to basic's
Panthers need to learn how to catch, throw, block, tackle and everything else.
And look, another Favre mention.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
Little backhanded compliment
Listening to the relatively #4 free coverage on westwood1 radio, when of course they mention the purple one. Just as one announcer is ready to finish stating that he’s finally on a good team that really hasn’t played any good teams, the other announcer jumps
in and says “Well, except for the 49ers- I thought they gave him just about all he could handle.”
Thanks! … I guess?
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
What horrible playcalling
A fade to Martellus Bennett on 3rd and goal??? Do they know they’re averaging 8 yards per carry on the ground? That’s almost as bad as a Michael Robinson dive from th 3 on 4th and goal. but at least that one was a mistake.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 7:59 PM PDT reply actions
And then they don't go for it on 4th down
Almost makes me want to root for the Panthers. Almost.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Hate to say it
But these hapless ’boys remind me of the niners last year, with their inability to punch it into the end zone.
I root for a miraculous scheduling change where our niners get to play both of these teams this season.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
You should have (site decorum)'d that
It hurts my eyes.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Rec?
Please tell me you didn’ just rec that picture.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Flagged
For inapprpriate use of the purple ones image. Bignerd is dead to me.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Oh you DIRTY DIRYT DIRY DOG,,
I hope you step in great big pile of it…Not to mention I hope you buy a pair of wranglers that don’t fit and make you look really,really stupid..
by WC-Ninerhead on Sep 28, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't kill the messanger
This game cannot go 2 minutes without that name . . . I hate to say it but the only way it’s stopping is if Crabtree walks out to the 50 yard line wearing a Cowboy jersey, holding a fat check with a 2010 date on it.
That would be AWESOME
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 28, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
How funny
I just posted “go Facebook” on the cowboy blog
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 28, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Intentional grounding
Trying not to root for either, but coming from seasons of offensive impotence, I think I’m starting to root for these cowboys like I’d root for a kitten vs cancer
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
The only picture of favre allowed here
What happens when Willis gets a hold of Favre in the post season
Judgment day is coming!
Yeah, Delhomme loves the pressure Tirico
Look how well he played in the playoffs… Oh wait…
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:16 PM PDT reply actions
To be fair
It might have been Steve Smith’s fault, he cut off the slant.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
What about Eric Berry or Taylor Mays?
Either one would look good in our secondary.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
I wouldn’t want to take a WR in the 1st round.. I’d rather harden up our O-line and D-line first and get a pass rush guy in their..
A lot of people want a qb but I don’t think it would be worth a 1st round, after what happened with Alex Smith it could be another disaster.. plus we have Davis everybody c’mon! =)
Have you seen our draft picks
Tebow will be an excellent special teams players along with being the QB . . . we will draft him for sure.
Don't make me put up the cat again.....
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 28, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
From what I saw
Tebow will be lucky to be upright. That was an ugly hit
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Still not convinced
Playing the cowboy team d over the giants d was a good call, but this makes me feel better about it
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Wow, I get home, turn the TV on
and what do I see!
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Sep 28, 2009 8:21 PM PDT reply actions
Lol at Delhomme
Throwing his hands up immediately after the INT.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:22 PM PDT reply actions
Jake Delhomme's not going to make it past week six...
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Sep 28, 2009 8:23 PM PDT reply actions
He has a lot of stock built up w/ Carolina
It wasn’t even a discussion point this week, they have a bye next week, he’ll get one more start for sure, and then they’ll discuss whether they want Matt Moore or A.J. Feeley in under center…
Oh I can see that draft pick having just 1 digit… 7th overall perhaps?
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Sep 28, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd like 7th
I don’t want the team spending $80 million on the #1 draft pick. It would be better to call up the Panthers and tell them to keep it.
#1 draft pick
Is realllly good for trades
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Sep 28, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno
We couldn’t trade ours a few years back, the Lions wanted to trade theirs. No owner wants to write that check.
Jacksonville might
If it means they can get Tebow
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Sep 28, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
No way
No one will trade for the #1 pick, but I don’t think the Panthers will be that bad anyways.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Eric Berry is going to look good in the 49ers secondary next season.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
Wonder
How many Arab jokes Mohammed’s gotta endure traveling to texas
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
You realize this is prejudice right?
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm just sayin
Place like Texas, you wouldn’t cover something like that on national tv, wonder how much racism comes out in situations like these. Not trying to be racist myself.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Right now
I’ll take Shaun over either of these jokers
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Shaun over Romo?
That truly is a joke.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Relax
All three offenses suck
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 28, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
What exactly did Dallas do to suck?
They averaged 8 YPC with no turnovers!! Romo was 22/33 with 255 yards. I love how that makes him a joker. If the Niners had the Cowboys offense this team would be really good.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Play calling in the redzone
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 28, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a temporary thing
But yeah that was bad. Still, I don’t see how anyone could think the Cowboys offense sucks.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think they are that great. They put up points but also give up a lot of points . . . Romo has a bit of JTO.
Not great probably
But certainly not horrible. They’ve been very good whenever Romo’s played the last two years.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd say niners HAD
This cowboy offense with JTO or 2007 with alex
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
What?
The Niners offense was horrible in 08 and 07.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Red zone offense is pretty fluky from year to year
It’s best just to look at overall offense to see how a team will perform in the red zone.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha
Just because I like to look at things rationally you want to grill me, okay. Romo is so much better than Hill it’s not even worth the discussion.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Do I look like George foreman?
I’m not grilling anything. Shaun’s unbeaten at home. 1 int for the season (that I would argue wasn’t on him). Who gives you a better chance to win? From
what I just saw against a lackluster panther d? I say Shaun hill, but I’ve been trying say that to guys like you since 07.
Let me know how the bright lights divas work out for you, til then, I’m driving the hill bandwagon.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Shaun’s unbeaten at home.
Rofl, yeah in one game!! And the Niners are unbeaten at home, the team wins games, not just Hill.
Who gives you a better chance to win? From
what I just saw against a lackluster panther d? I say Shaun hill, but I’ve been trying say that to guys like you since 07.
Okay, i can’t take you seriously if you honestly think Shaun Hill gives the Niners a better chance to win than Romo would. Here are Romo’s stats and here are Hill’s, look at them please.
Shaun Hill is just… wow. I don’t know what to say. I’ve argued this enough in prior threads, but Hill’s had an easy schedule and even still has not been very good. Romo has been fantastic so far in his career. Saying Hill is as good as Romo is like saying Laurence Maroney is as good as Frank Gore. One is a borderline starter and the other is a pro bowler. There’s just no reason to debate a topic as silly as this.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I think he was including last year
That said, Romo > Hill still
by Badly Browned on Sep 28, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh
Okay, that makes more sense then. Still, that statistic doesn’t really matter. As for this:
Let me know how the bright lights divas work out for you, til then, I’m driving the hill bandwagon.
I’m really confused as to what he’s trying to say here.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
If stats won football games
I’d be clamoring for romo too. Fact is, Romo hasn’t been the world class QB he keeps getting billed as. And don’t take my word on Shaun Hill. Stats? These are all the stats I need.
We tried drafting an answer at QB, and he’s grateful to be wearing a jersey on the bench. We have a stellar QB, and I’ll take his heart and his smarts over “America’s QB”. who, by the way, is a stud dud among cowboy legends.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Yes, Romo has been a great QB
QB’s don’t win games, teams win games. Drew Brees is not any worse of a QB because his defense sucks and he’s never won anything, he’s still one of the best 2-3 QB’s in the NFL.
If you don’t use stats to measure a player’s performance then how do you measure it?
And no, Hill isn’t a stud QB. There’s a reason when you go look at draft sites they often have the Niners picking a QB in the first round, QB is still a big need for the team. Thinking otherwise is just ignorance.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Look
I don’t know how long you’ve been a Niner fan, and I frankly don’t care. If I wanted to slice and dice numbers, I’d come sit next to you in calculus.
I’m excited about this season because we have a QB that gets better the more he plays, and a team that’s 100% behind him. If all you can get out of that is that we have a glaring need at QB, then there’s nothing I can say to make you believe. I just don’t want to see you on this bandwagon in the postseason, you can go golfing with Tony Oh-no.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
I just don’t want to see you on this bandwagon in the postseason, you can go golfing with Tony Oh-no.
I have no idea why you include these little jabs in your comments. Is it supposed to be funny?
Your right you can’t make me believe because Hill hasn’t been good yet! If he starts playing better then I will be the first to give him credit. But once again through 2 games only Quinn, Stafford, Kolb, and Delhomme had been worse than Hill. He has’nt played well so far this year (although I thought he had a nice game yesterday), I don’t know wher eyou get this idea that he keeps getting better or that he’s anwhere near Romo’s level.
Please, just look at the situation a little, there’s no way anyone can honestly say Hill is close to Romo’s skill level. Even this year Romo has been better than Hill, forget the previous years where he completely dominated him.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I never said
He was better than Romo, of course, Romo is a better Qb in all the metrics. But all things considered, the drama, the decision making, the pricetag, I said I would take Shaun Hill over Romo.
Let’s put it this way- Im not saying Hill’s Pickup is a better vehicle than Romo’s Lambourghini, I’m saying when we’ve gotta get dirty, I’d rather take a pickup that won’t quit over a lambourghini that looks nice on the back of a tow truck.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Hm, okay
I definitely don’t agree, I’ll take the better QB as I think Romo’s struggles in the clutch are overrated (although Romo is a lot more annoying off the field than Hill, haha). But at least you aren’t saying Hill is better.
I just don’t get why people want to insist that the passing game is fine (not necessarily you, but a lot of people do). It’s been one of the worst in the NFL even with Hill under center, and while the line and receivers share some of the blame, the Niners could still get a lot better at QB. I like Hill as a person, but he still leaves a lot to be desired as a starting QB.
By the way, sorry for the rudeness, I was a bit over the top in some of the comments.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks
I was wondering “why so serious”, I appreciate that you weren’t trying to be rude.
This isn’t the first time I’ve heard clamor for a new QB, but like I said, I tend to distrust the dazzle of future prospects in the modern NFL. I agree we have yet to see what Hill Is made of, but last weeks performance against a strong Viking d really upped his value in my mind. But, as always, I love talking and debating about it!
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
by LA49er on Sep 29, 2009 10:24 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We'll see
this postseason.
If we win a playoff game…
Hill > Romo
by mountaindew77 on Sep 28, 2009 8:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No sorry
It’s not a we’ll see thing. Honestly they are so far apart in talent it’s not worth the discussion. Wins are a team stat.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry mountaindew
Brendan has just closed the book on this debate. He wins, cause he says so.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Not worth the discussion...
by mountaindew77 on Sep 28, 2009 8:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not worth the discussion...
Okay. Since you say so…
by mountaindew77 on Sep 28, 2009 8:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
Seriously, ask any fan for any other NFL team if Hill is better, you’ll get laughed out of the room.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
If we wanted to ask any other NFL fan
We’d talk to you or go on the main SBNation site.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
What is that supposed to mean?
You think everyone else is just wrong because you know better? Hill isn’t good, he’s never been good. Look at how anemic the passing game has been this season.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
And look who's stepped up
when we needed him too.
Romo cracks in the clutch
by mountaindew77 on Sep 28, 2009 9:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Nah ah
Romo has always stepped up in the clutch. What you saw was a coverup of massive proportions. Romo is better than your puny impression of him, but he has nothing to prove to you. That was Shaun Hill choking in that Romo jersey. /brendanscolari
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
It's supposed to mean
When you say “fan of any other NFL team”, I know plenty with more sense, but I’d probably still come talk to you cause you’re a funny dude. I’m here to join in some good niner talk since the sports media is more than happy to ignore us, but every once in awhile, I run into a lively debate.
And that’s you.
Ok, I get you’re not a Hill fan. So what do you say we do if Hill is the hack you seem to think he is?
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Well nothing right now
He’s certainly better than Smith and Davis so you have to keep starting him. But I’d certainly try to address the QB situation in the offseason if at all possible.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
THANK YOU DELHOMME
Your pick 6 was the only thing that could cost me my fantasy victory so THANK YOU IDIOT!!!!
Aww
That sucks. (Not being sarcastic)
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
well do any of you think the panther will win a game this season???? there schedule looks kind of rough. especially the way they are playing
They'll win multiple games
They aren’t that incompetent. The Rams won 2 last year, the Panthers are better than they were.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Lets see where they could win...
Week 5 – Redskins: Maybe, they lost to the Lions
Week 6 – @ Bucs: Maybe, they reallllly suck
Week 7 – Bills: Depends on if TO can see the ball through his tears
Week 8 – @Cardinals: If Warner is in, yes, if Leinart is in, no.
Week 9 – @ Saints: HA
Week 10 – Falcons: Matt Ryan will pick this D apart.
Week 11 – Dolphins: Depends on how Chad Henne plays.
Week 12 – @ Jets: After Rex finishes his 10th serving of chicken parm, he’ll crush them.
Week 13 – Bucs: Again, they have to be better than the Bucs.
Week 14 – @ Patriots: No
Week 15 – Vikings: No
Week 16 – @ Giants: No
Week 17 – Saints: No
I see about 5 wins there (Redskins, Bucs twice, Dolphins, Bills). They could lose any of those games, but I say they get 4 or 5 wins on the season, meaning a top-ten pick for us!!
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Sep 28, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I see a three game win streak coming
Followed by Berman and crew complimenting the fighting spirit of Jake and his mates. They will then lose 3/4, beat the Bucs and thus finish with 5 or 6 wins. That should be more than good enough for a top 10 pick as we picked tenth with 7 wins last year.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
He's looked really good so far
I also liked what I saw from Tony Pike.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Haven’t had a chance to see him much yet, heard good things though.
Snead has a long way to go this year if he’s going to declare.
Yeah
He hasn’t looked very good at all.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
We take a receiver
Hey maybe Crabtree will be available in the draft
If I gotta play, I'm gonna play 'till I win,
Since I gotta be here, I can´t wait to begin
by albertoleecho on Sep 28, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
so no faith in nate davis in the long run eh?
by whitemike1644 on Sep 29, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
so no faith in nate davis in the long run eh
by whitemike1644 on Sep 29, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I have to see more of him
before I can make a conclusion on that.
He looked good against 2nd and 3rd stringers this pre-season.
Maybe he’ll get some time if we clinch the division at the end of the season and we can’t position ourselves better.
by mountaindew77 on Sep 29, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
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