As Carolina falls, the 49ers rise
by urnext on Sep 29, 2009 1:16 PM PDT
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With another loss by the Carolina Panthers on Monday night, the value of their 1st round pick owned by the 49ers rises a little more. So just how far can Carolina really fall? Looking at their schedule, their are 3 games on it they should lose (@ Saints, @ Patriots, @ Giants). Their are 5 more games that are more likely to be a loss than a win, but they're almost a toss up (@ Cardinals, Falcons, @ Jets, Vikings, Saints). If they go 2-3 in those games, it would bring their loss total to 9. Finally, the other 5 games on their schedule are games they should win (Redskins, @ Buccaneers, Bills, Dolphins, Buccaneers). If they go 4-1 in those 5 games, it brings their overall record to 6-10. Last season Green Bay finished with a 6-10 record and got the 9th pick in the draft. So what should the 49ers do with that pick?
Considering all the great QB's that should be in next years draft, that seems like the obvious choice. Everyone knows about the big 3, Bradford, McCoy, and Tebow. But their's also Jevan Sneed. He was barely beaten by McCoy for the starting job at Texas so he transford to Ole Miss. Turns out he's played so well at Ole Miss that he may end up being the 3rd or even the 2nd QB chosen next year. Then their's Jake Locker at Washington and Jimmy Clausen at Notre Dame that are both Jr's. If they decide to skip their Senior years, they also have 1st round potential. Of course, since the draft is likely to be so deep at the QB position, the 49ers could use their 1st pick on a different position and wait to see if one of the top QB's falls to them with their 2nd 1st round pick. A little bit of a gamble but it could pay off big. Then again, maybe the 49ers don't need a QB. Shaun Hill is only 29, has a career 90.4 passer rating, and has been 9-4 as a starter (10-3 without BF's miracle throw). Not to mention they still have Alex Smith (25 years old) and they just drafted Nate Davis.
The safe choice would be to go with the Offensive line. OT's taken in the 1st round have one of the lowest bust rates of any position, and the 49ers definitely need the help. Right now their are 2 great prospects in the state of Oklahoma. The top prospect is Russell Okung at Oklahoma St, but Trent Williams at Oklahoma is not far behind. Both could step in right away and fill the rotating door they have at the right tackle position.
Another glaring need, as we saw in Minnesota, is the saftey position. Again, their are 2 top prospects to choose from. The first is Eric Berry at Tennessee. He's only a Jr but he's unlikely to improve his draft position by staying another year, and it's not like Tennessee will be playing for a championship anytime soon. The other prospect is Taylor Mays at USC. Scout Inc on ESPN has Berry and Mays as the 4th and 10th best players available to enter the draft.
Any way you look at it, the 49ers are in a great position. With 2 first round picks, one of which could very likely be in the top 10, they could have a draft to rival the one in 2007 when they drafted Patrick Willis and Joe Staley. Is their anyone left who still feels trading the 43rd pick in the last draft was a mistake?
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I agree about an OL
We need the biggest, baddest and uglest Tackle coming out of College. He also has to have a terrible additude and doesn’t want to save prisoners.He wants to break helmets with his fist and then laugh. Even I would want to run behind him !!!!
Eric Berry for sure and either NT,OT,QB
by 49erSalvatrucha on Sep 29, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions
NO to a First Rd QB
Safety first, Tackle second, a QB in second round or later. We already have Davis, and there could be many good QBs: 6, 8, maybe 10 available. QBs are always a gamble so why not wait? The late round QBs have about as much chance of being NFL quality as the early ones, and whole lot cheaper.
NO to DEFENSE.
We definitely need a QB more than a safety. We need to find the franchise QB to go with the incredible defense we have, and the solid o-line to protect him. Get the O-line first. No question about it.
by Flying2boston on Sep 29, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't safeties have a high bust factor?
I just think of Dana Hall with the Niners and both MIchael Huff and Patrick Bates with the raiders: All first round busts. Seems the best safeties either start as corners or even college LBs. Our best free-safeties (Lott, Hanks) started as corners. Our other most notable recent safeties were Shulters (4th round), Bronson (unsure but he may not have been drafted) and Parrish (2nd round by Bears).
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
+1
Interceptions are such a contextual thing, I’m not wild about the idea of picking a Safety. That position can often be addressed later in the draft.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
Reggie Smith
Thats why I like him…he started as a CB also and then got moved to safety. I think Reggie Smith (once Lewis is gone) and Goldson will be really good back there
Yes
I don’t have the refrence but I remember reading an article once that said QBs, WRs, and Safeties were the 3 riskiest positions to draft in the first round.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
But I'm not sure we should pass on Berry
if he’s available when the 49ers pick. He just seems like one of those players that only comes once every few years.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
I would add TE, all due respect to VD
Thinking of VD, Winslow. Remember Dudley with the Raiders? The best TEs in recent memory were not high round picks, with the exception (not the rule) of Gonzalez. QBs are high risk (especially financially) but also high reward. It seems the best value in high rounds are pass rushers, O-linemen and maybe corners. But if we’re talking late first round, then a guy like Berry may be very good value. I don’t recall but weren’t Troy P and Ed Reed mid to late 1st round picks? If we knew Berry would be in that mold, perfect. If he’s more like Roy WIlliams (outstanding college career, over rated pro career) it would be a wasted pick.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
The Problem With This
Is that Berry is going to be a top 10 pick no questions asked. Troy P and Ed Reed went in the teens. So if we were to draft Berry it would be with the Carolina pick therefor setting up a possible Roy Williams scenario, however unlikely that may be.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 30, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree
I would love to see us get at least one, if not two offensive linemen with the first two picks. If there is a great pass rusher in the draft, then we may want to go that way with the second first round pick. Second round I would like to see a safety or dare I say it (a receiver).
The late round QBs have about as much chance of being NFL quality as the early ones, and whole lot cheaper.
This is completely wrong. Early round QB’s are much much more likely to succeed than QB’s taken in the later rounds.
As for why not wait, well because people are tired of having a terrible offense. Getting a good QB would be a big factor in turning things around.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 30, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
You still don't analyze this argument properly
Statistically it’s true. Yet if a team drafts a QB in the 1st round they are forced to start him. Therefore if you count being a starter as being successful it’s not really analyzing the situation. It truly is the one position in football where politics overpower the notion of competition cause there is hardly an honest competition between a 1st round pick and 6th round pick.
Also if a team is seeking a QB, they are going to draft him the 1st round and not go shopping for a later round pick they do at every other position.
I meant in that order depends on whos on our lap
by 49erSalvatrucha on Sep 29, 2009 4:06 PM PDT reply actions
Eric Berry 1st and no other safety (Mays) we need a ballhawking pick machine that can man cover.
Ed Wang looks like he can fall to the later 1st nd pick or 2nd round. Eric Berry is the pick, call him Ed Reed Jr.
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Eric Berry anyone?
I want Terrence (spelling?) Cody
Bad. If the Niners had a huge, space-eating NT that demanded a double team, imagine the lanes that would open for our LBs to make plays. When I look at Cody I see visions of Jamal Williams in his prime. That is, finishing the season with 3 1/2 sacks, but allowing his OLBs to pile up the stats.
Don't worry about me Thurgood, I'll be fine. The robbery is what's important now.
Cody isn't that good
He does take up space but that’s about it.
I like the guy from Nebraska better.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 1, 2009 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
That would be a sick combo Berry and Cody
by 49erSalvatrucha on Sep 29, 2009 4:54 PM PDT reply actions
It's the reversal of 49ers in 07-08
That’s when the Pats had 49ers’ pick but at least SF got a 1st rounder from NE first (the pick was Staley and Pats pick Mayo). Can you imagine if 49ers made the playoffs this year and have a top ten pick as well as another late round pick next year? Let’s rebuild that Dynasty…
Win the inning.
Number One
I cringed when we gave up both a 2nd and 4th to Carolina, i still think the deal could have gotten done with just giving up the 2nd. Also i really did believe the 49ers were going to draft Everette Brown with that pick. But now it feels like a steal for us simply because we are going to end up with a top ten pick at the very least, maybe even a top 5 pick. I remember when we traded a future 1st rounder to the Patriots for their selection (Joe Staley) this was under the assumption the 49ers were going to be improved the following season which didn’t happen and the Patriots ended up with the 7th pick. It seems that Carolina made the same mistake this time that we did before.
Now on who should we get? Well i have always been high on Taylor Mays but if i am not mistaken he plays the same position as Dashon Goldson? And if that is the case it really isn’t an area of need. I would rather go with Eric Berry to replace Michael Lewis on the strong side. He should be available 7-10 especially with all these teams being high on QB’s. I have also though a lot about Nebraska’s NT, name escapes me, but i don’t believe the drop off from him to Terrence Cody who could be had with our own pick is that much. I would be extremely happy with Eric Berry and Terrence Cody as our two 1st round picks. Also keep in mind that the Crabtree situation has yet to play out. Are we going to get some compensation if the Jets did indeed tamper? And what will we receive in a trade if it does come down to that? This could dramatically affect our draft in 2010. We could end up with 2 or 3 more early picks!
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 29, 2009 5:55 PM PDT reply actions
Without giving up a second?
No way the Panthers would have done it for just a 4th. I’m assuming you must have switched the two around.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 30, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
He said with just giving up a 2nd and that's a NO WAY that get's done
Lastly, I think Eric Berry plays more into Goldson’s role than Taylor Mays. If anything, you would leave Goldson at FS and pick Mays to please SS since he is more built like a linebacker with CB speed. I think you got your players and roles switched around. I’d go with Mays, then OT if I could pick. LOVE me a hard hitting SS like Troy Palasomething…..
No
I didn’t go check out the draft sites. Mays plays FS and Berry SS
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 30, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be sick to get the jets 1st rounder and then trade it to get more picks in the 2nd round
by 49erSalvatrucha on Sep 29, 2009 5:57 PM PDT reply actions
Shaun Hill is good for now unless clausen falls to us then i think we take him
by 49erSalvatrucha on Sep 29, 2009 6:01 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah
Also remember that whatever we get from the Jets is just gravy because we will acquire picks “when” we trade Crabtree. And considering that his contract would be a part of the 2010 rookie pool a team that acquires him may have to give up a lot simply because they won’t be able to afford him crazy contract demands a long with the rest of their draft picks.
Regarding Clausen: Well reports out of South Bend are that he is most likely going to stay in school for his senior season unless he can be a guaranteed top 5 pick. Although i believe him to be the best of the QB prospects many insiders think he would go 5th which means if he does come out then he would be available in the 20’s most likely where we will be drafting
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 29, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
The Issue With This Is
You have Okung(spelling) then everyone else in terms of tackles. I am not sure i want the 49ers spending a late first round pick on the likes of Trent Williams, who has been steady but not great with the Sooners. Also The drop off in NT’s after Cody is pretty steep so i am not sure how much “value” we could get in drafting a NT in the 2nd round.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 29, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Well then...
Can we pass on Eric Berry?
by mountaindew77 on Sep 29, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the kid from duke u
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Eric Berry anyone?
Yeah Your Talking About
Vince Oghobaase right? He would fit nice as a 3-4 defensive end but needs to bulk up to become a NT in our system. Suh from Nebraska is also only about 303 pounds and would need to also gain weight to fit into a 3-4. Terrence Cody is already there (355 LB’s and runs an amazing 5.2 forty) and could be had with our pick in the 20’s leaving the top 10 pick open for Berry or Okung. I also wouldn’t sleep on Cam Thomas from North Carolina who would be there in the later rounds as somewhat of a project, but we may already have that in RJF.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 29, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
It's very possible that both Berry and Okung will be gone by the time the 9ers pick
If that’s the case what should they do? I agree with not going for a QB and I think Cody is a reach for the top 10. If both those guys are gone I think they should try to trade down to around 15 and then take Cody. With their second pick, assuming it’s in the 20-25 range, I think they should get the OT Williams from Oklahoma.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Bingo! I agree.
Trade down a few spots to about 15 to draft Cody and pick up another 2nd. Then draft an OT like Selvish Capers(W. Vir) or Ciron Black(LSU) with our own pick, although I’d rather have Capers because he can play either side while Black is strictly RT material in the NFL.
We already have a QOTF in Nate Davis. Before drafting another QOTF, maybe we ought to find out if Davis is any good. My guess is that both Mays and Berry will be gone before we pick unless Carolina completely collapses and we wind up with a top 5 pick. But getting a new/better NT is essential because A. Franklin is in his contract year and the team hasn’t attempted to extend his contract, which is a pretty good sign they aren’t interested in keeping him. DT Jared Odrick(Penn St) is another potentially good NFL NT in the 1st round, but he’d have to bulk up some.
Other positions of need are a DE/OLB Pass Rusher, OG (Baas’ contract is up, too), and CB (replacing W. Harris). Curtis Taylor or R. Smith appear to be M. Lewis’ eventual replacement, but we could use another FS behind Goldson. But otherwise, I think the 9ers talent level is now at the point where the team should start trading up in the draft to get better players instead of trading for more picks to plug holes. Two 1sts, two 2nds, and two 3rds would be fine with me. Or else use the late picks on ST players like a new KR – Rossum can’t last forever and his contract is also up at the end of the season, iirc.
by MontanaPass on Sep 30, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
E Berry makes us a top ten defense
THE SKILLS ARE EMINENT
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Eric Berry anyone?
What's your thoughts on drafting a Safefty so high?
It’s not a position that is a premium during the draft. I’m not exactly saying the team needs to follow the group think philosophy cause every year the 15th pick is usually the 6th best pass rusher (makes you wonder). What I am saying is E Berry or any other safety has turn out to be a multiple Pro Bowl impact player to justify drafting that position so high.
I'm not high on drafting A SAFETY so high!
But Eric Berry is the exception. Man Coverage Zone coverage and ballhawking skills in either. PLUS (yeah there’s more) he hits with intentions to hurt people. When have the niners been successful without a strong presence in the Defensive backfield? They haven’t, and think about the teams that passed on Reed and Polamalu and ask them would they draft him instead of their pick and a lot of them would take these players higher.
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Man That Is Tough
Simply because he is a difference maker. Just imagine a starting secondary of Nate Clements, Shawntae Spencer, Dashon Goldson and Eric Berry with Tarell Brown playing the nickel. If he is there it will be so tough to pass him up. But Okung is an absolute beast for Oklahoma State and could anchor that line with Staley for the next decade. I guess that is why Scotty M and Paraag get the big money, not me
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 29, 2009 6:52 PM PDT reply actions
I seen some other good tackles, we just got Pashos who doesn't look bad. Loadholt isn't doing horrible in Minnesota.
We need a LG too. I like Oghabasse, and Franklin has been playing well and we should keep him!
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Yes we do need a guard.
Even getting OT allows Snyder to go back to backup Guard which is far better than anything the team has right now.
I think right now
Our O line needs the most attention right now.
But it will all come down to how draft day plays out.
It will come down to just how bad the Panthers are, who gets drafted before our pick, etc.
Sure but does attention mean pass on E Berry when he can definitely catapult our defense.
The O line is a neccessity but can we not address it with later round picks. Look at all probowl lineman in the league and plenty of them come in later rounds. Some responsibility lays with position coaches, maybe we need new a OL coach?
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+1 So True
It is way too early, we have almost an entire college football season to play and aren’t even sure who is going to go before we pick or even where that pick will be. But it is hard to disagree with you regarding our offensive line. You add that anchor with Staley and Rachal and all of sudden it has the looks of a top 5 unit. Plus with all the money we will have to spend in free agency we can get a quality SS like Landry from Baltimore.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 29, 2009 6:59 PM PDT reply actions
Yep
We have a long, long way to go before draft day. And you’re right, if we add Okung on the opposite side of Staley, we all of a sudden have one of the top O Lines in the league.
I don’t think we are a Super Bowl team this year, but after this next offseason with 2 first round picks, you have to believe we will be elite in 2010.
Not To Mention
That is the CBA is worked out and next season is capped that we have the BEST cap situation in the entire NFL. Which would allow us to get a couple premiere free agents to fill the voids the draft can’t fill.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 29, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point.
Maybe a QB?
I hate the idea of drafting a QB. Do you happen to know what QBs are up for free agency next year?
by mountaindew77 on Sep 29, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Not Many Good Ones Are Available
And that wouldn’t fix our long term QB problem. Shaun Hill is doing fine short term and who knows what Nate Davis will do. The only way i go for a QB in the 2010 draft is if we have 5 picks in the first 2 rounds and Clausen drops to the late 1st round otherwise pass them up.
2010 Free Agent QB’s as you asked for
Kyle Boller
Bryon Leftwich
Bradie Croyle
Kellen Clemens
Tavaris Jackson
Sage Rosenfels
Troy Smith
Unimpressive to say the least. Hill is 3 times better then any of those scrubs and i would actually take my chances with Nate Davis or Alex Smith above any of them
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 29, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I see
Like I’ve said before I like Hill right now..
But he is not our long term solution obviously.
I like what Nate Davis showed in preseason and would like to see more from him as we go along.
But yeah, none of those quarterbacks look appetizing
by mountaindew77 on Sep 29, 2009 8:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
That is why we wait until the 2011 draft/off-season to address the QB situation. Because right now we really don’t have a QB “situation” Hill has proven he can win long term and our coaching staff needs the time to evaluate Davis. Besides assuming we keep Hill past this season, which i believe we will, then there is no room for a rookie QB Because with Hill and Davis on the roster this would mean we would have absolutely no experience behind Hill if he were to go down and that it not a scenario i believe the 49ers will put themselves into.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 29, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Fail
I meant Hill has proven he can win short term.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 29, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
2011 is when we should look at getting a QB if Davis is not the answer
by mountaindew77 on Sep 29, 2009 10:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No point in acquiring damaged goods, Hill is as serviceable as any FA qb for 2010.
We need to get younger!
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Eric Berry anyone?
Jimmy Clausen?
Is he the best option at QB late in the first if all these guys are assumingly still available?
Tim Tebow Won’t be a good NFL QB
Sam Bradford
Colt McCoy
Case Keenum
Taylor Potts
Jacory Harris
I mean there is a ton of guys that you have to consider before Jimmy Clausen…at least in my opinion. If we sign a QB, we need to wait until 3rd, 4th or 5th round and hope that maybe there’s someone at a smaller school that is flying below the radar. Who knows, maybe there’s a guy like Brady or Montana out there right now that’s getting little or no exposure
Teams usually do better when a QB just falls to them. IMO, teams that target a QB don’t do as well (tend to reach) as teams that magically have a QB fall to them. The Seahawks are looking pretty foolish because Mark Sanchez was right there and they passed him up. Guess what, they needed a QB for the future and a prospect like Sanchez doesn’t come around every year.
Sanchez
has a really good supporting staff. Above average O-line…decent enough receivers, strong run game, and probably one of the top 10 D’s in the league. Rex Ryan has his team playing as a team and believing much like Sing has the Niners believing.
There is alot of talent at the QB position coming up in the 2010 NFL Draft….we can definitely afford to wait until a later round if we’re going to draft a QB at all
Also Notre Dame QB's
It’s really hard to take them seriously these days when the football schedule is filled with the dregs of the Big Ten, Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard and Girl Scouts. I think Division II and Division III school QB’s see more combined defensive speed in their schedule.
This is nowhere near the Notre Dame of Montana and Theismann days.
That Is True
And as a ND fan it upsets me. But by watching them every week i will say one thing. Clausen has what it takes to be a star in the NFL. He is mobile, has a cannon arm, his accuracy is uncanny, he is a team leader and his passion for the game is downright awesome.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Eric Berry please
Get Roman the hell off our roster already, the guy reeks of Nolan fail.
We can grab a good OT or pass-rush LB with our own pick later in the round, but Berry is truly special.
If he's still there
It’s very possible that Berry could go in the top 5 and be gone by the time the 49ers pick. Would it be worth it to the 49ers to package their 2 1st round picks so they could get into the top 5 and pick Berry?
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Hold on...
Some people were saying earlier that we should hope that the Panthers end with a draft pick in the teens, not top 10. This was because of the cost of top-10 rookies. Does this still hold true? What is the likelihood of a rookie pay-cap next season?
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
Safeties still aren't a highly paid position
QB’s will cost a fortune
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And With The exception of Jimmy Clausen
I really am not impressed with the QB class coming out in 2010. Many are saying it is the strongest in years, but i just don’t see it. Mccoy is a system QB and would fit good in Denver and Kansas City who use the shotgun a lot and don’t really need a strong arm QB. Bradford is well from Oklahoma and please name the last Sooner QB to succeed in the NFL. Tim Tebow is way too much of a risk and i really don’t see him suceeding in the NFL. Javon Sneed has all the physical ability in the world but is way to up and down to take anywhere near the 1st round, though someone will fall in love with him in the combine ala Jason Cambell and Tavaris Jackson and take him. If Clausen were to come out in 2010, which in all likelyhood he wont i would take him over any of those other 5 and that only if he drops to our pick in the 20’s
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 29, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind Jake Locker
He reminds me a lot of Steve Young. Of course he’s only a Jr, so he may not come out.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
He'ld probably be a 2nd rounder or even 3rd
If the 49ers didn’t have Nate Davis I think that could be a good pick. But as it stands, I think the only way they’ll take a QB is if they’re 100% positive he’s a franchise player.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Too much time in the Shotgun!
Don’t need an Andre Ware!
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But they still have to pay based on the draft slot
Safeties can’t demand the premium that QB’s do, but the 49ers will still have to pay according to the slot. Even if it’s only a slight raise over last year.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
No
Only the top 3-5 picks really make a lot of money.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 30, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Used to be the case. I believe DHB got a contract equal to Alex Smith. These days big money is throughout the top 10.
Smith got 49M w/ 24M guaranteed, Hayward Bay got 38M w/ 23.5M guaranteed. But, from what I hear, much of Hayward Bay’s escalators are in the “If he performs like Jerry Rice” variety and are not remotely achievable. Big money is throughout everywhere…
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 1, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
It Depends on the CBA
But as of now i can’t foresee a rookie pay cap in the 2010 draft, that would occur when a new CBA is negotiated which wouldn’t take place until following the 2010 season. So regardless a rookie pay cap will not occur under any circumstance next season.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 29, 2009 8:52 PM PDT reply actions
QB NEEDS (NOT)
THE NINER’S DRAFTING A QB IN NEXT YEARS DRAFT SHOULD NEVER EVER BE ON THEIR DRAFT BOARD AS WE HAVE OUR QB OF THE FUTURE IN NATE DAVIS AND IF THE NINERS DON’T GO AFTER A PASS RUSHING STUD AND OT TO BEEF UP THE RUNNING GAME LIKE WE HAD BACK IN THE DAY WITH THE STUDS WHO OPEN HOLES FOR CRAIG AND WATERS AND RATHMAN. WITH RATHMAN ON THE STAFF HE SHOULD BE A BIG HELP IN FINDING THOSE PLAYERS. BUT PLEASE DON’T WASTE A PICK ON A QB, NATE THE GREAT WILL LEAD US BACK TO THE PROMISE LAND, EVEN THOUGH NATE PASSING IN PRE-SEASON WAS AGAINST STORE BAGGERS AND PRATICE SQUAD GURU’S HE STILL MADE THE PASSES AND HE SHOWED A LOT OF POISE BACK THERE AND HE HAS A CANNON FOR A ARM AND CAN GET OUT THERE AND RUN….IAM A DIE——DIE——DIE——-HARD FAN, BUT IF THEY WASTE A PICK ON A QB IN THE DRAFT NEXT YEAR, I WILL BE THERE IN SAN FRAN IN THE BRAIN TRUSTES FACE AND GIVE THEM HELL.
as unnecessary as the caps lock was,
i agree with you.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
I agree with you 100 percent.
But dude what is up with the caps? It’s almost gave me a headache.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 29, 2009 8:57 PM PDT reply actions
I think right we need a RT or NT
RT is our biggest need. I’m not that high on Snyder hasn’t shown that much promise. He may improve but I think we could really benefit from having a solid RT. Hill (or whoever will be the QB next year) will have more time and it make it easier for Gore and Coffee to break the big ones. Franklin was pretty good against the vikings but we’ll need a NT for the future. Hopefully Balmer can fill that need. But our pass rush could benefit if we had a NT getting double teamed on pass downs. So far Goldson has been good, so I don’t see a need for Eric Berry or Taylor Mays.
Go 49ers
Well I See Your Point
But Mays plays FS and therefor we wouldn’t have much of a need for him because as you said Goldson is stepping it up. Eric Berry is a strong safety and would replace the aging Michael Lewis. Balmer isn’t your prototypical 3-4 NT unless of course he puts on 25-30 pounds and yes Franklin has played real well this season but will be a free agent at seasons end and is 31 if i am not mistaken, so we need a replacement for him. Regarding the tackle position, it depends on who we are going to sign in free agency to supplement the draft. There will be a number of very good offensive tackles out there in free agency and we will have the money to sign one of them. But my dream first round would be getting Berry or Okung with the Carolina pick and then Cody with our pick.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 29, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Franklin and Balmer
Franklin will be very very good for us and Balmer isn’t a NT, he’s a DE
Agree with your point on RT though
I think we should at least draft a QB next year but definitely not in the first round. I like Tony Pike from Cincinnati so far this year his made great improvement from last year and so far is completing around 70% of his passes. He would be a guy that would most likely be available in the second or maybe third round and if we do only end up getting a second round pick for Crabtree then I wouldn’t mind at all if we used one of our second round picks on a QB.
The Issue With Drafting Any QB In The 2010 Draft
Is this. We will already have Shaun Hill and Nate Davis on our roster correct? Assuming they both stay this would leave only one other roster spot remaining for a QB right? And i for one do not want to go into a season with two inexperienced signal callers behind Shaun Hill. I do agree with you regarding Tony Pike, he will be a good pro. Also Todd Reesing from Kansas impresses me. If we can get them in the 6th or 7th round and hide them on our practice squad then i would be okay with it, otherwise there isn’t any room for a rookie QB.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 29, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
That is true I didn’t think about that. There is no way we would have four QB’s on our roster and I wouldn’t be very confident with Davis and a rookie as the two back-ups.
Now
You like Pike and i do as well, he could possibly be had in the 6th or 7th round. The obvious bet would be retaining Hill and Davis as well as releasing Smith and singing a veteran back up while drafting a project in the later rounds to remain on our practice squad. I am high on Jimmy Clausen but even with that we have this same issue.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 30, 2009 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Dashon Goldson is a very good safety
and Nate Davis is the future at QB. Alex needs to go yesterday. We need to draft dominating offensive linemen, and/or a pass rusher.
Kezarvet
Why do people so highly value players like
Dashon Goldson, and Nate Davis? specifically players who have done nothing. I’m not saying that these guys will never be anything, But you just can’t put that kind of stock in guys who haven’t played. I mean c’mon It’s taken Goldson 3 years to overtake MARK ROMAN on the depth charts, and he’s awful. and ND has never taken a snap in a real game. I’m of the same opinion when it comes to the draft that I have been for the past three years which is this: Our trenches need to get bigger and meaner on both sides. How many years is Adam Snyder going to stow away on our o-line? We need to use our picks to get a handful of big, nasty, brutish 300 lb. thugs from San Quentin Prison State College or something.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
Goldson was injured
Your points are fair when you way players who have done nothing, but that makes them the same as any college draft pick. The advantage a guy like Davis or Goldson has it that they’re already working in the system so coaches can see what they’ve got vs pro competition.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Yeah Goldson Was Injured
And Secondly when Roman first came to the 49ers from the Packers he was a pretty good safety, something happened regarding him in the last two seasons
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 30, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh my god thank you
A gigantic +1 from me. So tired of hearing we aren’t going to draft a QB because of Nate freakin’ Davis. :-)
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 30, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Let Me Ask You This
Where would a rookie QB fit on our roster assuming we wouldn’t be keeping 4? So i take it that you would be okay with Nate Davis and that unnamed rookies backing up Shaun Hill in 2010?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 30, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Under My Theory
Alex Smith isn’t even on the roster. I am talking about Shaun Hill and Nate Davis being on the 2010 roster and where a rookie QB would fit on that roster
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 30, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Why not?
When Aaron Rogers took over for Favre, he had two rookie back-ups. At least Davis would have had a year under his belt and know the offense.
It Would Be Incredibly Dangerous To Do That
Green Bay would have fallen apart of Brohm or Flynn would have played for an extended period of time. I wouldn’t be opposed to carrying 4 QB’s though. We could easily only carry 4 CB’s.
But i am still under the belief that if we do draft a QB in the 2010 draft it would have to be a mid to late round pick. The QB class in incredibly deep. Plus we will be getting at least one pick from the Jets and another one or two if we trade Crabtree. This along with the compensation picks for losing Strickland and Fields could bring our pick total to 12.
My Options
Tim Hiller, Central Michigan
Zach Robinson, Oklahoma State
Todd Reesing, Kansas
Tony Pike, Cincinnati
Joe Webb, UAB
Max Hall, BYU
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 30, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what I said a little higher up in the thread
We need to wait until the 3rd, 4th, or 5th round if we’re going to get another QB. There are other guys too that will be available via free agency besides the ones mentioned in your starter free agent list above such as Colt Brennan (He’d be a second year guy also) and we could sign him for virtually nothing. He has some real talent. IMO, he should have been 2nd on the Redskins depth chart instead of Todd Collins
Agreed
I say get rid of Alex Smith which i think is a no brainer. Then sign one of those veterans as a back-up and if need be draft another QB in the middle rounds that if we are going to carry 4.
I would have no issue with this
1. Shaun Hill
2. Colt Brennan/Jason Campbell/Patrick Ramsey/Bradie Croyle
3. Nate Davis
4. Insert rookie here
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 30, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
If we went with your option 2, it would be unwise to go with option 4 also. It has to be one or the other. And if they went with option 4, then I don’t feel that uncomfortable having Davis as our #2 with one year of learning behind Hill and learning the playbook thoroughly. In fact, (*knocking on wood), if Hill went down, God forbid, I would like Davis over Smith. They have the same time under THIS offensive coordinator.
I don’t think the Niners will ever carry 4 QB’s, at least it’s not likely. I can’t recall any team that has recently. It could potentailly be a waste to go after a rookie QB when we could use solid depth at other key positions (i.e. defensive line and offensive line). Afterall, the battles are won in the trenches
Everyone on the Number 2 slot would be a horrible addition as a backup.
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Eric Berry anyone?
Really?
I like Brennan and Croyle isn’t bad also…he almost stuck it to Baltimore the first game of the year
Yeah really, Croyle will remain in KC
Brennan can’t beat out Campbell. Campbell can’t produce at all( used to be high on him)
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Eric Berry anyone?
Brennan
The reason he didn’t beat either Collins or Campbell out is solely due to favortism and he came from the University of Hawaii. Zorn is an ex QB so you’d think he’d have a pretty good handle on the situation but there is alot of people in D.C. that hoped Collins or Brennan would get the nod. But Zorn has yet to win a game and has displayed that he’s a crappy coach (for Godssake he lost to Detroit). Anyway, Brennan played with the first team in preseason and did really well. I doubt we would get him, but I think someone will get him and be really lucky to have him
But
Better then Alex Smith right? He is our current back-up and i believe anyone on that list is a better player then Smith is. I do agree that the options are limited behind Hill.
I wonder if we could now get Brady Quinn for pennies on the dollar considering he lost his starting spot. I wouldn’t be opposed to giving up a 4th for him. Would You?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 30, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Anderson and Quinn
I think these two will flip-flop all season long as one and two. Either one of these guys would be viable back-ups for Hill. Quinn is young yet has a little NFL experience (more than Davis obviously). That could be a good move and I have actually thought of that before. There’s also Kevin Kolb but I doubt Philly will let him go now. And Michale Vick will be available but his completion rate is horrible.
But having some porr veteran backup like Dilfer or Huard
Doesn’t really change things does it? Either way the passing offense would be miserable, at least with the young guys you have a chance of growth and success.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 1, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes I would
Alex Smith certainly hasn’t shown anything that makes me think he deserves to stay on the team.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 1, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Goldson couldn't overtake Roman
because Nolan is a dumbass who prefers veteran free agents over his own more talented draft picks for some reason.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
Says What?
He’s better than Roman but that’s not hard to do IMO!
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Eric Berry anyone?
We still need a damn WR!
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Eric Berry anyone?
If things aren't worked out with Crabtree
the 49ers may consider taking Dez Bryant. Not only could he be a game breaking WR but he could also be used in the return game.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Return Game
I want Parrish Cox from Oklahoma State he can be our 4th or 5th CB and is a game breaker in the return game, we could also get him in the middle rounds.
Why go after an unknown like Dez Bryant who has a injury history and would cost another 1st round pick? Remember the last Oklahoma State WR we drafted? How did that turn out?
Also with the boat loads of money we will have under the cap why not go after a player like Vincent Jackson, Braylon Edwards, Brandon Marshall, Steve Breaston or Michael Jenkins all of whom has #1 WR talent
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 30, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not saying the 49ers should take Dez Bryant
I’m only saying he could be a consideration if things fall through with Crabtree. I also don’t think the 49ers should rule out a player simply because they chose a player from that school in the past, at that position, and it didn’t work out. Personally I think the 49ers should go for a WR in the 2n or 3rd round if things don’t work out with Crabtree. They just have other areas that should be addressed first.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Or Anquan Boldin?
He is an FA next year isn’t he? If not, we can always trade some picks/ players for him
I Doubt Very Much
that the Cardinals would deal Bolden to a division rival. But that front office and organization has been inept for quite some time now so i guess anything is possible. Don’t expect Bolden to hit the open market either, Arizona will most likely franchise him.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 30, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly why, we do not get a FA wr, it's time for youth!
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Dez Bryant
NOOOO!!!
There should be plenty of good WRs available.
Why take the most overrated WR?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 1, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I've seen a few games (3 or 4)
I remember him getting flagged for blocking too early and false starting, I remember him dropping a lot of easy passes.
I also remember being disgusted by OSU’s spread offense.
Dez Bryant has a lot of work to do and I just don’t see how he’s better than the other top tier WRs that play in pro style offenses and don’t make simple mistakes.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 1, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Free Agent Receivers Next Year
Pretty decent list:
Brandon Marshall
Vincent Jackson
Braylon Edwards
Steve Breaston
Kevin Walter
and yes…T.O.!!
No to all these guys, we need a downfield WR
Dez Bryant anyone?
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NO
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 1, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
+1 Would
fill the WR slot via free agency. Marshall, Jackson and Edwards can all be #1 WR’s and i don’t see any of these teams franchising them.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 30, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Too much money for the baggage. Boldin is the only one I'd consider!
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He is unhappy in AZ
how awesome would it be for him to get to stick it to his old team, (one in which that stiffed him when it was time to get paid), twice a year. And has he whined to the media at all? Or has he just shut up and played anyway…getting his face broken, playing with messed up hamstrings. etc? The guy is a class act and would represent the Niners and uphold Niners class. Perfect fit I think. I don’t think the Bidwells will outbid other teams next year.
I wouldn't get in a bidding war withanyone, especially Dallas
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Jones
has said that his free spending days are behind him and is more interested in building through the draft, take that for what it is. Also the 49ers have the best cap situation in all of the NFL so there isn’t one single pending free agent that they cannot go after. In reality they “could” go after 3-4 top flight free agents as a supplement to the draft. York has said that he isn’t opposed to paying big money to impact players
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 30, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Only if things fall through with Crabtree
If Crabtree and the 49ers finally come to a deal, I doubt they’ld spend any money to get a WR free agent. Even if it is Boldin. But I’ld definitely rather have Boldin.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Let's see
Big Priorites: QB, O-line, WR
Lesser Priorities: S, CB, OLB, NT
Not needed: RB, DE, ILB
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 30, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions
Brass was gonna go after darius butler, to get young at DB
I’m sorry but if the brass passes on E Berry————————-STUPID!
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My take
High priority: FS LG
Low priority: RT OLB NT
Personally I think Pashos is our guy at RT, especially considering his durability compared to Snyder. If anything, health is as critical as individual skill level when it comes to overall OL play, and guys like Snyder and Baas (hurt again this week, what a shocker) are constantly hurt and not practicing.
Although we are still lacking a dominant pass rusher, it seems like we’re getting enough overall contributions in that department where it’s not a pressing concern given how strong our secondary is. However I see Goldson as a weak link because of his injury history…and you know if he gets hurt, that just means more Mark Roman, who imo is the epitome of everything FAIL about Nolan’s regime here.
Eric Berry ftw
Meant to delete NT off low priority
Franklin has been superb and underrated. We have nice DL depth with Soap and possibly Balmer with the ability to move inside if necessary.
You don't think QB or WR are needs?
Ok, QB I know some people like Hill, and I don’t really want to get into that again. I’ll just say I think we can do so much better.
But if we don’t sign Crabtree I don’t see how anyone can think WR isn’t at least somewhat of a need. Bruce is on his last legs and Hill isn’t good enough to even be on the active roster. That means for the future there’s Josh Morgan and….
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 1, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey! Why not draft WR M. Crabtree with that top pick?
If Carolina falls far enough to make their pick a top 5, we could draft Crabtree all over again and try to pay him #5 money. But of course then he’d want #1 money because he’s already proved he’s worth at least #7 money, right? Right?
Oh geez, I forgot to take my meds this morning.
we're not allowed to draft him...
even if we wanted to. Not that we would of course. And I realize you were kidding around…
by David Fucillo on Sep 30, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
How long do we think it will take
for the league to investigate the tampering charges and come up with a ruling?
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
I think we oughta...
Trade every single draft pick for relatively young (potentially awesome under Singletary’s guidance) veteran free agents. Forget the draft, get guys who have some experience
That's what the Redskins have tried to do
Obviously it hasn’t worked too well for them. Most of the top teams in the NFL today have built their teams through the draft and have augmented it with key free agent signings.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
It worked for them years ago
I don’t think the Redskins have a personel problem, there’s plenty of talent on that team. There is something wrong with Zorn and or his staff that the players are just not responding to.
It works better if their's no salary cap
Veteran free agents usually get paid more then all but the top draft picks. Consider what Patrick Willis makes now and what he would get if he became a free agent. With the salary cap it makes it hard to sign too many top free agents. I think teams need a good balance of both. However, if the NFL gets rid of the cap with the new CBA, then that stratagy could have more success.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
I hope that doesn't happen
The we will just see the teams that have extra money with all-star teams (i.e. the NY Yankees) and I, personally, do not want to see that in the NFL. The cap is what evens teams out to a certain degree
OMG
Drew, I am so disappointed. Plus you don’t even have trade for veteran players. Teams cut them or under pay them by the boat load every season.
But they cost a lot more than their equivalent rookie counterparts.
Ignoring the draft is almost always the wrong route.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 1, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
IMO- Needs
1. Elite Safety- The best defenses in the league are 3-4 defenses, from Baltimore to the Steelers, they have lead more than any other tandem of defenses that aren’t in the 3-4. What do they have? Safeties that can blitz, man cover, and ballhawk. Eric Berry should be #1 on everyones list
2. LT or RT youth- not a top ten selection because of cost but late first I’m all for it
3. Successor of Franklin, he’s doing well this season, very well IMO, bring in a guy with upside that needs coaching
4.QB- you can never have too Many, and Hill will be fine another season
5. WR- we need a wideout that is a threat to the house at anytime
6. KR/PR is a must- I’d hate to see Rossum another season
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Our pick is probably going to top 10 the way the panthers are playing. So if Berry is there we should take him if not go for RT
by 49erSalvatrucha on Sep 30, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I can easily see 4-12 or 5-11. If Delhomme goes down, they could be even worse (he’s backed up by Matt Moore and AJ Feeley, ye gads!).
Another way to look at it is: right now, there are got 6 other 0-3 teams plus Washington, Oakland, Detroit, and Buffalo that are going to be terrible. That’s 11 teams, including Carolina (one of which is Tennessee, who should end up with a much better record than they’ve got now). The 11th pick is the worst they’ll give us, and I wouldn’t be surprised with #4 if things go… well.
I like linemen early in the draft. Other than that, lets look for some trades to pick up some extra picks this year or next and lower the cap hit.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Sep 30, 2009 10:03 PM PDT reply actions
About NT
How often do those top picks work out? I already have a problem drafting the fattest man in college football and expecting the professional behavior it takes to be successful in the pros. Not to mention these guys take years to develop, this player might be ready by 2013. I think when you draft 355 lbs college players you are getting more fat than might for you defensive line. More often than not I think NT drafted in lower rounds tend to be the far better value for the franchise.
Yes Cody
Is extremely heavy, but he is also fit, if that makes any sense. Plus he runs a 5.2 (40) which is amazing and could bench a bus if asked to.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 30, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
40 time is the last thing I think of when considering a NT. When I think of NT I imagine a guy dedicated to being a world class power lifter in combination with a guy almost paranoid about his football technique. You can be a big shot in college, at that position it’s not even the same game in the pros. It’s no longer about pushing boys over, it’s about how much of beating you can take with the guts and wits to find a way to push forward.
Not to mention the injury rate at that position. I think the 49ers already have it right. Keep stockpiling the position with lower picks, develop guys, rotate them and realize it’s a long development cycle with short football lifespan. I think it’s a more sound strategy than trying to find that one silver bullet at the cost of a couple gold bricks in the 1st round.
by bignerd on Sep 30, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I watched him last week in the SEC game.
Yes, he’s fat. But he’s the most active 365lb guy I’ve ever seen – he was running(running, not waddling) to the bench and jumping up for high-5s after big stops. He looks like he has the phone-booth quickness required of a 2-gap NT. He just tosses off double teams, but that’s college. I think he’ll be very good if he loses 30lb and gets better conditioning. He looked excited and motivated to me.
Another prospect is Jared Odrick from Penn St. He’s a little underweight at 295(listed), but he excels at holding the point, even against doubles, and shedding blocks to grab the RB, which is what we want in a pro NT. If he can put on 20-30lbs and get his pad level a little lower, he could step right in after a year or so.
People who are thinking A. Franklin can remain at NT should take note of the fact that the team hasn’t made an attempt to extend his contract like they have several other players. My spidey sense tells me this is due to one of two things – either the 9ers aren’t interested in keeping him (he’s 30+) or Franklin wants to try the FA market in order to up his bucks. I’m betting he isn’t on the team next year, which means Sopoaga will move to NT and Balmer moves into the LDE position. Which sounds about right to me.
Another option is to spend some big bucks in FA for V. Wilfork next year. Will he want Haynesworth money? It’s possible, but I don’t know of any owners besides Snyder and Al Davis who would consider coughing up that kind of money on a 2-down player. But the NT is a key guy in a 3-4 defense, and a NT who can dominate in 2-gap is definitely worth a top draft pick.
Also
Neither Snyder nor Davis owns a team that runs a 3-4, and Snyder just spent $100 M on a DT.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 1, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Just because...
… a team doesn’t run a 3-4, it does not mean they can’t use a guy who has a 3-4 NT’s skill set. Most 4-3s are run skewed, meaning one of the DT’s tends to line up over center more than the other.
I know
Still, they’d be better fits in a 3-4.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 1, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh.
I think a 3-4 NT is a great 4-3 DT, whereas you can’t say the opposite. Difference in opinion, I suppose.
Yeah but a huge gap clogger
Isn’t as vital to a 4-3, so they wouldn’t be as interested in spending big bucks in free agency on those guys.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 1, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Possibly true
But a lot of the top NT’s were high picks. Hampton, Wilfork, and Ngata were all first round picks and Rogers and Jenkins were both second rounders.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 1, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
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