49ers-Chargers: Q&A with John from Bolts from the Blue
As we'll continue to do through the season, today we sit down with John from our Chargers blog, Bolts from the Blue. The Chargers are hoping that a healthy squad will be enough to push them deep in the playoffs this year. And given the other three teams in the AFC West, I can't see the Chargers not winning this division. Of course, a long playoff run could (and in my opinion will) be short circuited by head coach Norv Turner. On to the Q&A...
Fooch: Folks would probably contend that while the 49ers 3-0 start in preseason is a good thing, there are a lot of reasons to be concerned (1st string passing game, pass rush, Nate Clements, etc...). After 3 games, do the Chargers look ready for the regular season?
Bolts: After the first two games against Seattle and Arizona, I would say the offensive line was not ready. However, they were mostly impressive and looked more like a cohesive unit against Atlanta last weekend. The only things that Chargers need to improve going into the season are the running game (which will come with more LT and a decision on a starting RG) and the pass rush (which is a mystery considering Ron Rivera has avoided calling any blitzes in the preseason).
Fooch: How are Chargers fans adjusting to life with Norv Turner? They've been in the playoffs, but it certainly hasn't been easy.
Bolts: Quite well, thank you. When it comes to a situation like the one that Chargers have with Norv Turner, all you can hope to see is growth and improvement. We've seen that from Norv. With each passing season he gets a little bit better at clock management, motivating the troops, and balancing being a head coach and an offensive coordinator.
It's funny has Norv isn't allowed excuses that would afforded coaches on more popular teams. If DeMarcus Ware was out an entire season and Dallas' defense fell apart, but they still managed to get in the playoffs, Wade Phillips would be praised. Yet Norv is criticized because he wasn't able to make a team perform to everyone's expectations when arguably his two best players (Merriman and LT) were either out or playing with serious injuries all year.
There is a lot to be said for somebody who can adapt and get better as the season goes along. That's what Marty Schottenheimer's weakness was. It was almost as if he started with a plan in Week 1 and the only way he could succeed was is if everything went according to plan. Now, with Turner, Chargers fans feel we have somebody that can take all of the bad breaks and eventually get things going in the right direction again. That's how you build confidence from your players. That's what an undefeated record in December and a couple of playoff wins will do for you.
We continue the discussion after the jump...
Fooch: ESPN the Magazine picked your Chargers to win the Super Bowl. I have to ask: WTF? Is it just a matter of them getting healthy? This might go back to the Norv Turner question, but I just can't picture a Norv Turner-led team winning it all. Please help me understand this.
Bolts: See the above answer. There's no doubt that the Chargers have the most talented roster in the NFL. Most of these same magazines have been picking the Chargers to win it all for 2 or 3 years now. It's just a matter of getting a little bit lucky at the end of the year in terms of health and matchups.
Look at the teams that stopped Norv Turner's Chargers the last two years:
In 2008, after beating the Colts, the Chargers faced the #1 defense in the league (Pittsburgh). They also did it without their starting RB (Sproles' 1st start) and had to play in the snow (making Sproles, and the pass-rush, less effective). Pittsburgh eventually went on to win the championship.
In 2007, after beating the Titans and Colts, the Chargers faced the undefeated New England Patriots that were 1st in offense and 4th in defense. Again, it was a road playoff game against a very worthy opponent. Philip Rivers played the entire game with a torn ACL in one knee and a sprained MCL in the other. Antonio Gates' toe was so badly injured that he couldn't even walk (or practice) for the week preceding the game. LaDainian Tomlinson famously spent the majority of the game on the sidelines with injuries. Facing a team that would've been considered "the greatest team ever" if they hadn't lost to the Giants, and doing it without the 3 best players on the team (Merriman was also playing injured, hurting his knee against the Titans), the Chargers still came close to squeaking out a victory.
Tough circumstances. I know that Norv's poor choices of Head Coaching jobs (Oakland, Washington) have created this image that he's a buffoon that can't coach in the NFL, but that's simply not the case.
Fooch: Will we see even more of the mighty-mite Darren Sproles in an attempt to keep Ladanian Tomlinson in one piece? Speaking of running backs, Gartrell Johnson is a guy a few of us at Niners Nation liked quite a bit. Is he making an impact in camp or is it too soon for him to be an impact player in San Diego?
Bolts: To start the season, it looks like it's too soon for Gartrell to be an impact player for the Chargers. However, he'll probably get a handful of chances during the season and what he does with those chances will determine how much a part of the gameplan he is by the end of the season. His disappointing performance in the preseason thusfar has been a missed opportunity to be a part of the offense out of the gate.
The Chargers, and Norv, are saying that LT will get the same workload he always has (300+ carries). Sproles is such a valuable weapon as a punt and kick returner that they're concerned about wearing him out. In 2008, he touched the ball 90 times on offense (61 rushes, 29 catches). In 2009, I would expect that number to be above 100 but probably less than 125.
Fooch: You mentioned your own stadium issues. Can you fill us in on that?
Bolts: Oh boy. Everything is kindof unclear at this moment. The Chargers desperately need a new stadium, but the city of San Diego cannot assist in the process due to their own money issues. The team has offered to fund the entire project themselves, but to do so they need free (or really cheap) land in an area where they can build a community (residences, commercial businesses, offices) around the stadium that would create another revenue stream for them.
A lot of places around San Diego County have been looked at, but so far all of them have been shot down for one reason or another. A developer in Los Angeles is in the process of building a large stadium and is trying to lure the team up there. Unless something happens that nobody sees coming, that could be the realest possibility for the team. However, the Chargers have made it very clear that they will try every avenue to try and stay in San Diego before going that route.
Fooch: At this point, what positional battles remain to be determined in this final preseason game?
Bolts: Starting Right Guard is really the only one, a battle between ex-Pro Bowler Kynan Forney and rookie Louis Vasquez. Every other position, and it's backups, are mostly settled. Trying to find a CB on the roster that the team can count on to be it's 4th CB will be an important task for this game.
Fooch: Is there one young player (on the roster bubble) we should keep an eye on in this final preseason game?
Bolts: Charly Martin is somebody to keep and eye out for. He is an undrafted free agent that the BFTB readers have fallen in love with. He appears to be the second coming of Wes Welker, but probably won't make the team.
Antwan Applewhite is somebody that I like to watch because he moves around so much, sometimes he's rushing the passer as a OLB and sometimes he'll slide inside an play zone coverage, but he may be on the bubble.
Also, keep your eyes peeled for Craig "Buster" Davis. A former 1st round pick who has struggled with injuries, he's stayed healthy and is having a very good preseason. I don't think there's a risk of him getting cut, but he'll have to continue to perform in these preseason matchups to move up the depth chart.
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I don’t see any team winning the Super Bowl with Norv Turner as the head coach.
I believe in Posey.
Sometimes I think coaches are overrated
Norv Turner is an excellent Offensive Coordinator. He has as talented a team as any in the AFC. He has made mistakes in the past at head coach, but he may have turn the corner and become a better HC than he used to be. In the weak AFC Worst, the Bolts are headed to the playoffs. Barring injury to LT or Rivers, this team is as good as any in the AFC. But that is on paper. Lets see how they do in the regular season and post season. If Norv has another post season meltdown, then we will probably see a regime change again
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
One thing stood out more than the rest....
That all but one position is set. I think that says a LOT for the continuity of a football team. Teams don’t handle change or things being in flux well. They like to get into a groove, a routine, and stay there. That’s what retarded A. Smith’s growth, that’s what Synder cited as the reason he has struggled. I think that’s something that the elite teams have that we don’t, and that’s consistency. That’s overlooked a lot, and I think that’s a big reason why the Chargers will play solid this year and why I think, sorry to say it but, why we will struggle at times this year. We don’t allow our players to get comfortable and just play and react because something is always changing meaning they are on the field thinking. For those that played football, remember your freshman year, remember how lost you were, now compare that to your soph year, jr, then finally senior year. Senior year you knew what was expected of you, you knew the offense/defense, you knew your role. We underestimate these things and until we get some consistency we are gonna be in trouble.
if
they don’t win the division playing the Chiefs (who just fired their OC…oh and for a good laugh read the tampa blogs about their OC issues), the Orton/Marshall show in Denver and the Raiduhs that might be the biggest collapse in a long time. They should be undefeated within their division.
Wow, really drinking the Norv Turner koolaid
I’m not sure why he is giving Norv so much credit. He’s made it one game further than Marty by beating the Colts, a team Marty was consistently beating. Norv has playoff wins in the wildcard playoff round but than again Marty’s Chargers had the bye.
He has a huge laundry list of injury excuses as to why the Chargers have failed the last two years but fails to put them in context. The Chargers have been so banged up in the playoffs because continually lose games early in the schedule and need a monumental run just to make it to the playoffs. Norv’s Chargers are the definition of limping into the playoffs.
What scenario would you rather have?
At New England for the AFC Championship with 4 of your top players significantly injured?
Or
At home against New England in the Division round with a fully rested, injury free team?
Marty’s had that team closer to championship than Norv. The 2006 Patriots were better than the 2007 Patriots, it had a defense was essentially the same veteran team that won all those earlier SBs.
Marty never won a playoff game
That’s why Norv is a better playoff coach. He’s won 3 in 2 years with the Chargers.
Also, the 2007 team wasn’t beat up because it needed a monumental run. They won the division 4 games that season. It was beat up because the Titans played tough football and the Colts game was a tough victory. All of your arguments against Norv Turner related to the 2008 season.
And you made a point that Marty’s situation was a better one, yet his team still lost the game. The simple fact is that as good as Marty was at coaching in the regular season, he panicked in the playoffs and lost the game.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
Marty was 5-13 in the playoffs.
He tended to lose in the playoffs because of the greatness of John Elway and because he too often got too conservative in those games.
That said, Norv is living off of Marty’s team in SD.
As a HC, Norv couldn’t carry Marty’s briefcase.
Marty took the Chargers to the playoffs twice (once with Brees, once with Rivers) and went 0-2. Losing to the Jets and Patriots and being thoroughly outcoached both times.
Norv has taken the Chargers to the playoffs twice (both times with Rivers) and has gone 3-2, losing only to an undefeated team (Patriots) and the eventual world champion Steelers.
I was not bringing Marty’s record with other teams into the equation. Also, this is not “Marty’s team”. He was not the GM, he was the head coach. This is not Norv’s team either. It’s A.J. Smith’s team, as he’s drafted just about every player on the roster, and Norv Turner does a better job coaching that team in January than Marty Schottenheimer did. There is no argument against that.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
Look
I’m pretty sure that Marty had some influence over those players drafted.
That said, it’s crystal clear. Before the 2008 season, it was nearly unanimous.
Two of the most talented teams in the NFL were Dallas & SD (both coached by glorified coordinators).
One went 9-7 and missed the playoffs. The other went 8-8. The Chargers ONLY made th playoffs due to the historic collapse by Denver (the only NFL team, leading the division by three games with three to go) that failed to win the division.
I don’t see how coaching that Charger team to under maned, un-winable games in NE and Pittsburgh is doing a better coaching job. Despite being an insanely talented team they have lost the last two years with injuries from taking the hard road completely attributed to regular season collapses. Considering how bad the AFC West has been the Chargers should of had a bye week in both 2007 and 2008. Unless Norv can coach them into a playoff bye week this season they stand no chance of running the table in AFC playoffs. Wildcard playoff wins are hollow victories for that team.
I’ll say it again. There was no hard road in 2007. Did the Chargers start out 1-4 in that season? Yes. But two of those losses were against playoff teams (Patriots, Packers) that each won 13 or more games that season.
In the same light, the Chargers needed to win 14 games to get a bye week in 2007. Considering that luck (and officiating) can probably determine 3-4 games each season, you can hardly blame Norv Turner for the team’s record. Also, in 2007 the Chargers got to the Conference Championship so they’ve gotten more than “hollow” wildcard wins.
The facts are simple. With Marty, the team couldn’t beat very weak competition in the playoffs (like the Jets). With Norv, the team wins in the playoffs. It’s a step in the right direction. I really don’t understand the hatred of Norv as a decent head coach.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
It’s not hatred of Norv. If you believe he can get your their than that’s fine. It’s the notion that the Chargers are clear cut better with Norv I question.
I'll put it this way
Going into the season with Norv makes me more comfortable than going into the season with Marty. When all of this SB talk would start and Marty was the coach, I was always the first to say “Let’s see him win a playoff game first.” Not only has Norv done that, but he’s beaten a former SB team (Colts) twice in difficult games and his coaching came into play. There almost no worry of being “one and done” in the playoffs anymore.
Do I think the Chargers go 8-8 with Marty at the helm last year? Probably not. Somewhere closer to 10-6. Do I think Marty beats the Colts in the playoffs last year? Heck no.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
just a fun fact
Norv has 3 playoff wins.
Tied for the most in the history of the chargers.
And didnt Alex Smith have his only decent season under Norv?
I would almost go out on a limb and say something crazy.
I think that Marty is clearly a better HC than Norv.
That said, I can actually give credence to the belief that Norv is better in the playoffs (beyond the stats which support that position).
They might be the first starter/reliever HC’s ever in the NFL.
Marty to drive his team into the playoffs (something that isn’t Norv’s strength) and then Norv to coach the team in the playoffs (where he can put a better gameplan together than Marty, who usually goes stone cold conservative in the playoffs).
Forget the bye.
8-8 with that talent, in that division?
That’s a friggin JOKE!.
The 49ers FIRED their HC and still went 7-9.
You can make all the excuses you want John, it doesn’t matter.
The record speaks for itself.
Regarding luck and the officials probably determining 3-4 games, listen to what Jimmy Johnson (Turner’s old boss has to say about that).
Johnson: Didn’t believe in luck on the field and always told his team that they have to play well enough to overcome a few mistakes by the officials. He NEVER blamed the officials.
It’s all in Jimmy’s book “Turning The Thing Around.”
i got your back john
i think a big part of the questions surrounding norvs abilities as a HC stem more from his records coaching washington and oakland, teams not even lombardi, or walsh could make look respectable considering his short tenure at each stop
by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Sep 5, 2009 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Jerry Rice on Norv Turner
(after he played for him in Oakland):
“He could not motivate the players,” Rice said. “He had no control.”
Ouch!
Merriman's suspension was so ludicrous.
Oh, you’re on steroids? Here, take a month off, and when you come back, well, you’ll still be all juiced up from your last steroid cycle! His first full season back from steroids? He misses with injury. Coincidence? I doubt it. I’d be surprised to see double digit sack totals out of Merriman this year.
Actually
Shawne was suspended for 4 games in 2006. He played in every game for the Chargers in 2007 and had 12.5 sacks that year.
Shawne injured his knee against the Tennessee Titans, when Jeff Fischer put a hit out on him because Merriman hit Vince Young late. It had very little to do with the supplements that he had been taking a year and a half earlier.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
AFC Playoff contenders
The same teams will likely be contenders this year…
-Steelers
-Patriots (with a healthy Brady)
-Chargers
-AFC South team
-some wild upstart team
Those top three teams can beat each other.
The Chargers are likely the hungriest. Sometimes that is to their detriment (see: Marty’s last game). But they should now have the experience to not be stung by playoff football. They’ve won one more game each year under Norv (one win, then two wins). That’s the logic. It’s not like the Niners, hoping they can make the playoffs and “see what happens.” They were there four years ago. They know what they have, and they know what it takes for them to win.
by coicoy on Sep 3, 2009 11:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
2010
Obviousman, have you heard any rumors regarding where the Chargers plan to relocate? Have the Bolts begun to set up marketing and advertising offices in a new city or do you expect them to wait until after the season?
They'll wait
Right now the most likely re-locate would be to L.A., but there’s no NFL-worthy stadium options there yet. The stage we’re in now is the team is trying to find a suitable location in San Diego, but each idea is dying for one reason or another. If they find a suitable location with no issues, there’s a good chance they’ll stay. They want to stay, the fans want them to stay and Goodell wants them to stay.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

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