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2009 49ers practice squad taking shape

The 49ers began signing players to their practice squad today, Barrows is reporting that these players have been signed so far, will keep updated as the news comes out, keep checking back and discuss. So far:

RB Kory Sheets

OT Alex Boone

FB Brit Miller

NT Khalif Mitchell

TE J.J. Finley

WR Dominique Zeigler

WR Dobson Collins

So far, every name is to be expected. Sheets is a good sign, we may just hold on to him yet. This should satisfy some of the people clamoring for him and citing the fact that Frank or Coffee could go down to injuries. Alex Boone is a good name, along with Brit Miller these two show some promise for the future. It'll be interesting to see if Mitchell makes any noise, he was manhandling in the game at San Diego, but then again he wasn't exactly playing starters.

Update: J.J. Finley added to the list, which is.. surprising. Over Bear Pascoe, but I'll admit I didn't like much else about Pascoe save for his name and the fact that he had a bit of swagger about him. Still, a surprising decision to be sure. The team also took Dobson Collins, which isn't surprising but I don't see much in the kid, and Dominique Zeigler which is a good thing because he shows a lot of promise.

Will keep you posted as news comes out, probably from Barrows.

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Maiocco says...

J.J. Finley signed, but NOT Bear Pascoe

by Gob on Sep 6, 2009 1:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Makes me wonder

When they do film breakdown if his potential was beginning to look like only that: potential. If so, credit the front office for not holding onto a guy just because he was drafted and had a cool name for a blocking TE. If he’s not one of the best 53 (or even PS 8), better the spot go to someone more able to contribute.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 6, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suggest a name change for J.J. Finley

Maybe then we can be excited about him? Because he has looked good, I’ve just honestly always seen that name (for a year or two now) and kept reading, I haven’t given the guy a second though in so long.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too

Starts to happen; after awhile they become the PS guy. Seems if you don’t break through in your second season it may never happen. For them not to keep him on the 53 he must still need to work on his blocking cause he catches good and who wouldn’t want a 6’6" target near the endzone.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 6, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bear Finley!

And I like the story about him roping steers too.

by Bob On The Coast on Sep 6, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm calling him Bear Finley from now on,

unless Bear Pascoe also makes it.

I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.

by these3words on Sep 6, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reading the Golden Nugget

Singletary was quoted with a harsh assessment of Bear. Something about not adjusting to the speed of the game, worst yet the statement was made in past tense. I don’t expect him on the PS.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Copy that, I got the same impresion from Sing as well.

He thought Pascoe was having difficulty adjusting the larger guys in the NFL defenses moving much quicker than in college as a result he was having trouble making blocks and getting off blocks and making headway upfield for receptions

by WC-Ninerhead on Sep 6, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know the funny part??

A few short weeks ago there was a pole amongst niner fans that talked abour who would be the starting TE and get more playing time.

The sad part is a great % of the people thought Bear would surpass Davis.

This just goes to show you the number of morons that exist on the site.

What a joke.

by Italia1970 on Sep 6, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morons is just mean

Yet, I will agree there has been open sentiment about roster haul overs where there is no appreciable talent to do so.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you honestly believe

That people voted for him because of his potential as opposed to joking around because of his name and the fact that Vernon Davis is not favorable to fans right now then you’re the moron.

No offense.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vernon is still favorable to me.

It’s the QB position that continues to be unfavorable for me.

by jonesin25 on Sep 7, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bear with me...

Would really like to see Bear Pascoe get on this list. He may need more work before he is solid in the game , but that’s the great thing about being on the practice squad. I think we could see this guy as a beast with more transition time – Per a fanshot back in June I could see a real upside to him.

“June 11th’s OTA Play of the Day: “Rookie tight end Bear Pascoe somehow gathered in a 20-yard lob from Alex Smith, despite smothering coverage from linebacker Jeff Ulbrich. Pascoe jumped up and plucked the ball of Ulbrich’s back. Upon seeing the catch, the linebacker slid to the turf in disbelief.” – What a beast; this guy rules."

When you got a Vet like Ulbrich saying something about a rook, that’s gotta count for something right?

Lets just hope that all of thses guys slide past waivers and get some good schooling on PS for later use.

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Sep 6, 2009 1:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To quote Barrows

“At this time of year, however, every team has a young running back… they are excited about and don’t want to lose their guy for someone else’s guy. Yes, Sheets looked good in the preseason. But he looked good at Purdue, too, and still 32 teams passed on him in April.”

So true. All the hyperbole about other teams lining up for him and how he’d be a starter somewhere this season now seems a bit foolish. The kid has potential. So do lots of other guys. When you can only have 53 on you roster and must split that between positions, an undrafted player like Sheets, regardless of how quick he is, will often end up on the PS.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 6, 2009 2:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

The other 31 teams passed on him AGAIN even after seeing “what he could do against an NFL defense.” His value just isn’t that great to where he NEEDED a 53-man spot right now. He’ll definitely be the first RB tapped if Gore/Coffee/Robinson lose significant playing time to injury.

by sfgfan on Sep 8, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I do agree with this I feel Sheets was a special case in this area.

I attend Purdue making me somewhat of a homer, but what Joe Tiller did to this kid and the three draft classes before his was absolutely horrendous.

I don’t know what kind of coach it takes to not only not speak on behalf of his graduates, but actually badmouth some of them into not being drafted but he was that guy. I mean Dorien Bryant was the all time leading receiver in the Big 10 and didnt wind up even getting drafted because of Tiller’s ridiculousness.

Many teams radars before falling into obscurity due to his own coach telling teams he wasn’t a good investment…which to me is absolutely crazy.

Good thing the niners got him on the PS cause I still think he’s going to be able to contribute more than people thing.

I’m actually kind of shocked no one picked him up to be a 3rd down back! 49ers got pretty lucky here haha

Sheets will be better than Coffee

by Jranck on Sep 6, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good insight

I hope he works on being a solid 3rd down back and KO return and cover man. Versatility will guarantee him a roster spot.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 6, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Niners are interested in OT Tony Pashos

God I hope we get him. Not putting a front page up for it, but worth noting.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Cut Sims bring in Pashos.. That’s a platform i can get behind..only missed 1 game in 3 years.

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Sep 6, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I'd be comfortable with that.

Pashos starting at RT with Adam Snyder backing up at the tackle position?

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s my thought. Give Snyder more to work for. Definitely an upgrade over Sims. Anyone know around what he would cost us as comparison vs Sims?

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Sep 6, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They wouldn't start him

He doesn’t now the system and hasn’t worked with the other lineman. He would be solid insurance tho. My questions is: why did Jacksonville let him go? And would we cut Sims or consider it more depth and cut someone else? If so, who? (guess that’s three questions).

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 6, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course we wouldn't.

But we would around week six when Snyder isn’t playing like he should.

Jacksonville drafted Monroe, who is game-ready, and didn’t wanna pay Pashos a ton of money.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have higher hopes for Snyder

But would appreciate the insurance and competition that Monroe would provide. I’m guessing we won’t be his only suitors but hope we can get it done. I still wonder if he would replace Sims or someone else. It’s not uncommon to carry 10 lineman and we only have 8.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 6, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean Pashos, but yeah.

I’ve been defending Snyder all off-season, even clamoring to get him a ratings boost in Madden.. But you can’t ignore someone who is definitely better.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, Pashos

Good catch. Isn’t it nice not being constrained by the salary cap when we need to sign a new guy unlike years past?

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 6, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been searching for info on Pashos

He looks like a very good fit for the Niners. He’s in his late 20’s. Already has about 50 career starts seems to be healthy. Has a reputation as a very solid run blocker. His pass blocking reputation isn’t as good, but he’s been on several O lines that gave up less than 30 sacks in a year. I think he would be a huge upgrade on our RT position from last year, but whether he is that big an upgrade from where Snyder is now, I’m not sure.
The Jags basically switched their offense from run first to pass first this offseason, switched GMs etc. They wanted Pashos to switch from Tackle to Guard, and take less money, to make way for Tra Thomas and two high draft picks. He told them no.

They're called RUNS for a reason.

by connie mack on Sep 6, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and this is good if he is already ready for a run first offense, and if we have the extra money to pay him what he wants I say recruit him into the samurai corps!

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Sep 6, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

link?

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For what? Being interested in Pashos?

It’s on Barrows’ blog. The Niners are one of the three teams interested.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanx

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Tony Pashos is signed than who gets demoted?

I assume it would come down to Briggs and Curtis Taylor moving to the PS.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sims, Rossum, Spurlock or Taylor

Though I hope it’s Marques Harris.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t believe Sims, Rossum or Spurlock can go down to the PS.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dmoted isn't our only option.

If Pashos is signed someone is cut, unless of course, Taylor or RJF goes to the PS.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 6, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cutting Sims still leaves the team with only one backup OT.
Rossum, apparently everyone has forgotten how much he’s helped the return game
Spurlock isn’t great but he is Mini-Crabtree (same style of play) until the real guy signs the contract.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want any of them to get cut.

But it’s what would happen. If I could choose, the cuts would be: Marques Harris, Demetric Evans.. and probably Brandon Jones, for no real reason at all.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I like the honest no reason at all for Brandon Jones. The team could use that guy to stretch the field. Morgan is the only receiver outside of him how can really stretch the field vertically.

I could live with Marques Harris and Demetric Evans but don’t want to wait for the youngsters to get a little more development before the team is forced to count on them.

Also, it’s obvious with one PS spot remaining that it will be rookie who will get demoted.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we knew we were going to get Crabtree..

Barring the holdout, we would never have signed Jones. At least I’m not trying to argue my decision on Jones, save for the fact that WR Jason Hill is faster, has comparable measurables, and deserves a chance more than Jones does.

Just because we have a PS spot open doesn’t mean that we’re going to demote someone.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes getting paid more matters!

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, it could be.

Which is why I included Taylor.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree Taylor is the last man of the current 53 roster.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just more in the business of

Not agreeing with the signing of Brandon Jones, and not agreeing with the signing of Marques Harris.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't either he wasn't sought after

But considering Crabtree’s actions it wasn’t horrible

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jason Hill is faster…

debatable

has comparable measurables…

such as…?

and deserves a chance more than Jones does.

based on what?

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Sep 6, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

You and I agree

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Debatable?

Hm. Jason Hill ran a faster 40 time. The measurables is self-exaplanatory, and how in the world does Brandon Jones deserve a chance over Hill? Hill stepped up last season when he was asked to and did his job just fine, proving to be a great route runner and a dependable target. What did Jones do? Steam in mediocrity on a team with other terrible receivers and then get a big contract.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

41 catches at the 3rd wr on the titans team is good

I think the debate should be about spurlock who I would call the 5th wr

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're misunderstanding.

I’m saying I wouldn’t have signed Jones in the first place, not that he should now be cut in place of Spurlock—despite the fact that if I had the power, I’d cut Jones, it’s mostly because I wouldn’t have signed him in the first place. We shouldn’t be arguing whether or not Jones will get cut, because he wont. I was saying Jason Hill deserves better than he’s getting, and I stand by it.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I AGREE TOTALY

I thought Hill and Hill had the best chemistry coming from last season, I was pissed when Crabs was drafted because we signed Jones

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was pisssed

Because I don’t believe he was the best prospect.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1.000,000,000,000

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And i am FU@@!! discusted

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like a modern 49er WR to me
What did Jones do? Steam in mediocrity on a team with other terrible receivers and then get a big contract.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Schlecko doesn't know what measurable are?

“Jason Hill is faster”

I’ll give you this one, they are pretty close. Jones ran a 4.38, Hill ran a 4.32.

“has comparable measurables”

This should be REALLY obvious. They are both 6’1. Jones is 212 pounds, Hill 192 pounds.

Now for why does he deserve a chance:

He’s two years younger and cheaper to keep on the roster. He also has been practicing while Jones is out two months with an injury. He seemed last year to be developing a chemistry with Hill, while Brandon Jones is developing a chemistry with crutches. I say cut him and keep Spurlock. When Jones comes back he doesn’t figure to be a starter, and do you want to pay a lot of money for a third receiver who will only be on the field every five plays?

by ewil1321 on Sep 8, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've thought about that

Our full set of WRs is such a contrast to two years ago, yet this party came about because Crabtree dropped to us. Had we known, Jones or Spurlock would never had been signed.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 6, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

AND replace Harris with Briggs on the depth chart if Briggs’ injury isn’t serious

"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds

by Persiflage on Sep 6, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mitchel

The niners will need an upgrade at nose tackle; we have very strong players there but nothing seems to happen with them.

by Vertigo on Sep 6, 2009 2:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree and disagree..

I said it last night: “Aubrayo Franklin needs to decide whether or not he’s going to be [site decorum] good. He’s always good enough for me to not want him gone, but at the same time it’s like augh.” Or something like that.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He needs to keep the energy up more time then he currently does. He makes great plays scattered throughout games but it just seems its only enough to keep him around. If ony he could keep up that play 75% of the time at least.

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Sep 6, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Franklin...

is the weakest link on our defense… that is the first upgrade we need to make… i.e. Terrence Cody.

by Qbgetter13 on Sep 6, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who is the weakest link?

DE opposite of Smith than Lawson

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weakest link?

Do not agree.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 6, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DE and SS and FS and Lawson's spot are all more suspect than Franklin

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DE?

What don’t you like about the team’s DE situation?

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

its not better than our NT situation

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

because of who? Smith

He appeared absent in the preseason

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of things were absent from the offense and the defense this preseason

I do believe that was planned.
The lack of pass rush and passing both were planned for the starters.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Sep 6, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The lack of pass rush and passing both were planned for the starters.

please, please, please be true – it’s the whole not showing your hand during preseason thing, right?

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by Persiflage on Sep 6, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hoping this is right as well

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In reality

I think the team will rely on it’s good rush defense to put offenses in 3rd and long situations. The team will scheme with blitzes and I think Singletary will turn over the OLB roster until he can find a guy opposite of Haralson who can rush the QB. Football teams evolve over the season and that’s how I see it playing out. I expect a few rough patches but by seasons’ end we may find someone behind Lawson who can get the job done.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Yep, even last year 1st and 2nd down D was not a problem. 3rd down killed us throughout the year along with not forcing turnovers. I hope scheme helps the former and more speed in the secondary helps the latter (as it has all preseason).

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 6, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He broke containment a few times but it was on roll outs so the QB was no longer in the pocket. Anyways he was one of those guys who wasn’t required to show a pulse in preseason. I don’t hear the Vikings complaining about Jared Allen taking the preseason off.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you realize that Justin Smith was in on like ten plays total?

Bit of an exaggeration, yeah, but Justin Smith is the real deal and the only person on our line I have absolute faith in to do his job.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

Why in the world would someone be concerned with the lack of a pre-season presence from Justin Smith?

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Sep 6, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but their is another DE on the line and that's why I'm saying the DE is weaker than NT

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, and that other DE happens to be

Isaac Sopoaga or Ray McDonald, whichever at the time. Two very solid players. Ray McDonald showed signed of getting through the pocket before going down, so we’ll see what we get out of him. Sopoaga is serviceable and would start elsewhere. So we have one above-average player and two average players against one average player. Yet the DE is weaker than NT. Hm.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're a lot higher on Ray McDonald than I am...

TBH, I’d rather see Balmer out there – if only for the sake of seeing what he’s got. I haven’t seen Ray Mac provide much pressure…in fact, the only time I ever notice him is when he’s getting caught jumping the snap too early.

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Sep 6, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well you and I are watching different games it seems.

I can’t see this discussion going anywhere else past “I like him” and “I don’t like him.” Point is DE is not weaker than NT on our team.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

debatable

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is more depth

That’s about it theres only one DE consitent in getting in the backfield out of how many 5 or 6 and the 1 NT we have is above average. 1 out of 1 is better than 1 outta 6

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no pressure from any of them and that also makes Lawson's job harder

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Justin Smith

wasn’t even brought in to be a pass rusher, yet he’s still consistently in the QBs face.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

3-4 de is a pass rusher on passing downs

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I apologize i need to specify

Smith is solid as a DE, I’m glad we have him, but on the other side is extremely weak, extremely weak no pressure from those guys is th ebiggest issues with needing to send 5 or 6 for pressure

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't agree.

I’m not claiming we have awesome DEs but I think NT is a bigger question mark, especially with a guy like RJF coming in and providing some speed.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

RJF has not played 1 reg season game

how can he be considered. Stemming from the Sheets convo RJF was drafted at the tail end of the draft for a reason. So how can you consider him when discussing our DL overall and he hasn’t played a real game

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because you're lotting him in with it

By saying “1 of 6” whereas you can’t really say 1 of 6 when you don’t know how at least three of them are even going to play.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

1 of 3 or 1 of 4 take your pick

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except we have much differing

opinions on Ray McDonald, and apparently you believe Sopoaga is below average.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly thought he was a nt

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sopoaga is the backup if Franklin gets hurt.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. If Franklin goes down

Sopoaga plays NT, and McDonald gets all reps at LE.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like sopoaga

That’s why I say the DE is weak, McDonald, RJF, Evans, and Balmer suck IMO

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Evans is below average.

I haven’t given up hope on Balmer. Any guy constantly praised for his work ethic will typically come thru.

RJF showed spark in the preseason. Neither are the next great DE but both look to be serviceable players the 49ers can rotate get production from.

Actually if RJF can find some stamina he might be an above average NFL player.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haven't given up on any of them, anyone can turn it around

I just think Franklin is better suited than hat DE position. So I’m not calling Balmer a bust.

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just remember we have we a lot of DE to use. That’s always a good thing. A rotation, along with specializations will keep them fresh and make each player more effective than what they would be individually.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now you're just reaching to support your argument.

You can’t possible know anything about RJF and Balmer has yet to get enough playing time. Everyone knew he was a project. Agree on Evans.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guys on the D-line are easy to watch

Either they are mowing an offensive lineman over or are getting mowed over themselves. RJF was consistent, good at the beginning than fading. Balmer was about 50/50 with a lot of stalemates. The play doesn’t always come their way so it’s hard to evaluate by playmake ability. Honestly I don’t think we are bad at DE for the season, it’s going to be an attack by numbers for the 49ers defense.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd agree

If we weren’t talking about Smith but the other DE spot. Whether Sopoaga or Evans that spot could be upgraded. SS too but I see Taylor there next year. I’m actually cautiously optimistic about FS with Goldson backed up by Smith. That spot is the best it’s been since Bronson in 2001.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 6, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ninja, are you looking for him to make tons of plays or be dominant at occupying blockers so our LBs can do it? As you know, in 3-4 the NT only makes so many tackles. I don’t watch Aubrayo enough to know if he gets blocked too easily or is doing a solid tho not pro-bowl level job.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 6, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just want him to do what he's been doing

But show a little more intensity. I know he wont have huge stats, he just seems to disappear on some plays and be completely dominant on others. I feel comfortable with Franklin right now.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one around him is a threat on the run or pass

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our DL is average at best

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed... We still not have a solid pass rush

If we don’t find a way to get more pressure on the QB with relying on stunts and blitzes then we are screwed..

by WC-Ninerhead on Sep 6, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe Diyral Briggs? maybe ...

I’m still not sure if what we saw from #99 is what we’re going to see during the regular season.

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by Persiflage on Sep 6, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Briggs is only 230lbs

He outta be fast off the snap but a liability against the run.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

3rd down situational rusher

Assuming he’s on the active 45 to start the season. They referred to him as needing to “continue to develop.” I’m not sure he’ll see much playing time, injuries aside or someone like harris getting cut, until after the bye.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 6, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's really not average

Yes, close to average players across the board. Yet when a team has 5-6 of those guys it’s considered a good situation. It’s odd football math.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well duh.

I agreed with you on that already.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know that it's that Franklin is always "just good enough"

I think it has more to do with the fact that the entire league only has 4 or 5 really good nose tackles. The reason it’s been so hard to replace him is because there really haven’t been any worthwhile names become available.

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Sep 6, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that is a hard pill for some to swallow.

When there is so little “great” talent to be had, you just have to make the best judgment you can based on what you have seen make your cuts to 53 and run with it. Occastionally a player or two will develop beyond where they were at the start of the season.

by WC-Ninerhead on Sep 6, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps spelling Franklin with RJF is the ticket

What I’ve been reading on this site is that RJF comes in strong for a few plays and then gets worn out.

They're called RUNS for a reason.

by connie mack on Sep 6, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It'll be interesting

To see how many games early in the year RJF is on the active 45 list. If he dresses then I certainly expect him to see some playing time, especially short yardage and goal line.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 6, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

He gets a lot of push but has a small gas tank. That’s what I’ve seen in preseason. Not necessarily at bad thing at defensive line since the norm is to rotate players in and out. As SpurredOn noted he probably won’t be on the game day roster unless someone is hurt for the week.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe that is all it would take is to let him get some air every now and again to let him build more intensity up when he needs it.

Judgment day is coming!

by Widowwolf on Sep 6, 2009 2:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Even tho he cleared waivers...

Can’t Sheets still be taken by another team before the season starts? Does someone know? Spanos is the other one I worry about. I have read that he really brings a load in run blocking.

Sheets should stay on the active roster. Cut Rossum, He looked horrible this preseason, and he has maybe one more year left in him. Sheets and Spurlock could easily replace him on ST.

Disappointing that we kept Hudson over the better coverage man Green or the speedster Lambert; keeping someone over more talented players simply because he plays well on special teams is a mistake. Luckily they’re probably safe on practice squad.

Practice squad full list: http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/

by J-House on Sep 6, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Practice Squad players

If my memory is correct, any PS player can sign at any time But they to remain on the 53 man roster all season. They also can refuse the teams contract if they choose. I pretty sure that is right..

by LASVEGASNINER on Sep 6, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rossum's spot

Can’t go to Sheets as it’s likely being kept for the #10 pick. Either he or Spurlock will go once/if he signs. Remember too that contributing on special teams means covering and returning kicks. There’s no evidence that Sheets is good at either.

As for Hudson, keeping a special teams coverage ace is quite important. You can’t sell the team on ST being 1/3 of the game then devalue it by getting rid of Hudson for someone who’s less of a ST player and an avg cover corner (Green) . Remember that AZ let him walk and they gave up more points last year than we did. He’s not much better than Hudson and neither will see much of the field in coverage situation. We have 4 corners plus Smith who will handle that.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 6, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Changes needed:
  • Cut Robinson – replace with real RB sheets
  • Cut Rossum – Bring back real FB Miller (Rossum replaced by Sheets and Spurlock on KR/PR)
  • Cut Sims (horrible) – Replace with either developing Boone or Free Agent)
  • Cut Roman (Don’t need 5 safeties) – Bring back developing, big load, OG Spanos (This would give us one more OL= 9…most teams have 10…8 is unforgivable)
  • Cut CB Hudson (kept for ST)- bring back better coverage man Green or the developing speedster Lambert.
  • Drop Briggs to PS (9 LBs is ridiculous!) – Bring back TE J.J. Finley (having only 2 TEs is even dumber!)

by J-House on Sep 6, 2009 5:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

1. Robinson is too valuable, Sheets wouldn’t get much playing time or even dress most games. There is a surplus of young rushing talent.

2. Cut a great returner and emergency CB for a rookie fullback? We need one thing out of a fullback this season: crushing run blocker. A bruiser. We have that in Moran Norris. If he gets hurt, we’ll think about bringing Miller up.

3. Agree.

4. Do not agree, Mark Roman is serviceable as a backup SS though I hate to say it. He is my least favorite player. I semi-agree here.

5. Hudson is part of our stellar special teams trio alongside Robinson and Ulbrich. But still, I agree here. But not for Green, for Lambert.

6. Do not agree. Briggs could be a great pass-rusher. If you were gonna drop a LB it’d be Marques Harris. Briggs has too much upside and we should not even consider stunting his growth.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow indeed

Robinson is a versatile winner. Cutting him makes a football team worse not better.

Rossum or Spurlock will get cut when/if the #10 pick signs.

No one likes Sims but Boone was a turn-style Friday night on pass plays. A year on the PS will do him good.

Roman is still here because he knows the defense and Lewis is having concussion issues. But they were willing to trade him in he offseason so his spot could be tenuous. That they kept Taylor tells me that Roman will not be on the roster next year.

Hudson is not much worse than Greene in coverage and much better on ST. Green couldn’t make it in AZ and their D was worse than ours.

9 LBs might be too much but when you play a 3-4 you’re going to have more LBs than other teams. And Briggs has pass rush potential, something that should never be given away.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 6, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

1 – I really like Sheets, but I have to go with Ninjames and SpurredOn on this one. Robinson is an underwhelming RB, but we do want a high quality special teams, right?

2 – I do have to say I’d prefer keeping Spurlock to Rossum, but Rossum has been solid for us for a long time.

3 – Cut Sims (horrible) – Replace with either developing Boone or Free Agent Tony Pashos)

4 – Agreed, if we can get some assurance that Michael Lewis is ok.

5 – yep, replace him with Lambert

6 – Cut Harris and bring someone up, replace Harris’s spot on the depth chart with Briggs. Between Lawson and Briggs together, maybe we can get a (site decorum) (site decorum) pass rusher.

"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds

by Persiflage on Sep 6, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Tony Pashos both a serviceable LT and RT?

If not that is why they need to keep Sims. We need a backup for both Tackle spots.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Sep 7, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

*Harris...

Is on the injured-unable-to-play list…he isn’t counted on the roster.
*Briggs has been dropped for free agent Pashos (yeah! Except they should have dropped Sims)
*Robinson sucks at RB and FB and we should never give up better positional players for special teams stars…Rossum (old) has maybe 12 plays a game at most —and he isn’t as good as Spurlock (only Tampa Bay returner to ever run a kickoff back for a TD)

by J-House on Sep 8, 2009 3:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harris

Do you mean Walt Harris? I’m guessing Persiflage means Marques Harris, although I could be wrong.

by Fooch on Sep 8, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barrows said it best about Sheets...

“As far as Sheets … I know a number of observers out there thought GM Scot McCloughan should have been locked in an insane asylum when the 49ers released him yesterday. At this time of year, however, every team has a young running back — look at San Diego’s Gartrell Johnson — they are excited about and don’t want to lose their guy for someone else’s guy. Yes, Sheets looked good in the preseason. But he looked good at Purdue, too, and still 32 teams passed on him in April.”

I love Sheets, he’s almost made me forget about my fan-crush on Thomas Clayton, but it’s just not the time for him right now.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 5:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What can I say??

Mc Boo Foo is up to his old tricks.

by Italia1970 on Sep 6, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Bear...

I guess your going to have to go into pro team roping then… arg.

Makes you wonder though. Bear got almost NO playing time, even in the preseason games. Did he really think he would kill plays that much? Or was it because he didn’t like Bear?

Hmmm………

by Poundtherock on Sep 6, 2009 5:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I heard repeatedly of how the players liked him, and his innocent nature (see phone prank)

But it just makes me wonder. His most significant playing time was in the last minute of the last game, and he caught a pass then, I mean really, why not give the guys some time?

by Poundtherock on Sep 6, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really liked his potential

But Singletary saw more from J.J. Finley, and he certainly did look good in practice and games. I still say this would be easier if his name wasn’t Bear.

by Ninjames on Sep 6, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

stoked about sheets

hi all. first post for me (have been following this site for some time).
IMHO sheets could develop into a premier back inside of 2 years. let’s hope no other team changes their mind.

by 9ersForLife on Sep 6, 2009 6:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

would like to see

Terrail Lambert take the last spot. did good stuff in the preseason.

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by these3words on Sep 6, 2009 7:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What's the latest on him?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by chikmagnet_565 on Sep 6, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn’t look like the team is interested. Since Nolan the MO has been to go after veteran CB and only keep an interest in the young ones who show top level talent (Tarell Brown)

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does our personnel seem better suited for a 3-4 or 4-3

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Does it really seem like such an invalid question?

It’s not like we’ve got Merriman, Ware and Haynesworth. The essential positions of the 3-4 (rushing OLB, NT) have in no way been strengths on our defense in the past few years. At the very least, we’d be just as effective using a 4-3 setup, I would think.

If you move Spikes out to OLB, with Haralson and Lawson splitting time in run stopping/coverage situations and place either Balmer or McDonald on the field as the 4th linemen, I fail to see how we really get worse from a personnel or scheme standpoint.

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Sep 6, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t we see that last year with Nolan’s Big Nickel?

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

3-4

It’s a 3-4 defense. Lost in all the pass rush complaints the team has been really good stopping the run. Stopping the run does help. 3rd and 8 is better than 3rd and 4. Which gives our inept pass rush another second to get to the QB or easier to call the blanket coverage.

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm asking about personnel not what we have accomplished

We are a 3-4 d period. I was asking does anyone think we are better suited for a 4-3

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's better in the 3-4

The strength of the defense is at ILB. The 3-4 enables Wills and Spikes to make a bigger impact. Are we missing a few spots in the 3-4, of course. It’s not a bad defense, there is room for improvement

by bignerd on Sep 6, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think 3-4

I know most people are down on Lawson, but any defense that gets Willis, Spikes, Lawson and Haralson on the field at the same time is our strength. Perhpas Brooks and Briggs further add to that. We don’t have 4 down lineman that are as consistent or capable of making plays.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 6, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're actually kinda right rlott#24...

The whole reason Nolan kept switching back to a 4-3 system (instead of the continually using the 3-4 that he wanted) had a lot to do with personel. He wanted to switch to a completely 3-4 sceme, but they kept drafting undersized defensive ends and asumed they could make the transition to OLB (i.e. Haralson and Lawson).

by J-House on Sep 8, 2009 3:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it's a hypothetical question

Not based on us playing as long as we have and not thinkng the season starts next week

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by rlott#42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Man! No serviceable arguments for me to jump in tonight?

I’m seriously bored, and I already put together the Nuggets for tomorrow..

by Ninjames on Sep 7, 2009 12:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Now that the roster and PS is settled, more or less

When is it time to place all our attention and debates into the AZ opener and overall season predictions?

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 7, 2009 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Odd...

Every time I provide a counter point to something you say, you seem to only respond with “we clearly disagree, and debating isn’t going to change that. I’m done.”

Are my arguments just not good enough for you? =(

My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

by shlecko on Sep 7, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I come up with

After it last awhile and goes nowhere. If something can’t be proven and it simply comes down to opinion and we’ve already said what we could say to try and sway the other, why continue? It’s why I like it here. Good debates, while still being as close to home as possible considering we’re all 49ers fans.

Except for Frog.

by Ninjames on Sep 7, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also considered responding to this with

We clearly disagree, and debating isn’t going to change that. I’m done.

by Ninjames on Sep 7, 2009 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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