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Weekend Whirlwind Part 1: 49ers offense heading into 2009

First off, HUGE thanks to Ninjames for kicking butt in keeping things going all weekend long.  I was out of town for Labor Day weekend with limited Internet access that basically entailed a little email access.  I knew this was going to be a rather news-worthy weekend, given the final preseason game and roster cuts and all.  However, things seemed to be especially hopping for the 49ers all weekend long and into yesterday.  Thanks to Andrew Davidson for his Pashos post of course.  However, this weekend would have been pretty bad without Ninjames stepping up.

I'll actually be mid-flight from Atlanta when this post goes up (rock on scheduled posting!).  However, I wanted to use today to sort of catch-up with all the happenings from the weekend.  We've got a whole bunch of posts and FanPosts and I thought we would bring the discussion together in more compact posts.  This post will be about how the holiday weekend has left the offense.  Later this afternoon (around 2pm or so pacific time) I'll have a post related to the defensive side of the ball and this weekend.  This will be a bit more interesting for me because I still have no seen the final preseason game.  I recorded the game and will watch it at some point tomorrow.  One plus is that, as to be discussed in the defense post, I can focus in on Shawntae Spencer a bit more.  Craziness I tell you (we'll see if it's good or bad).

Also, as you can see, I've posted a new Official Crabtree post.  People have had a whole lot of thoughts on it, and things are only going to pick up this week before the Cardinals game.  Feel free to respond in the various existing Crabtree threads, but for now let's avoid creating new Crabtree threads.

I have to admit, initially I was a bit surprised by some of the decisions regarding the 53-man roster and the final roster cuts.  Initially I was surprised to see Micheal Spurlock and not Dominique Zeigler.  Initially I was surprised to see Bear Pascoe AND J.J. Finley get the axe, and then even a little more surprised when Finley was placed on the practice squad over everyone's favorite, BEAR (ProfessorBigelow must be absolutely crushed).  And, of course, I was surprised Kory Sheets was cut.

And yet, in the end, maybe none of these should surprise me, or us.  After a moment or two of reflection, Spurlock over Zeigler is actually perfectly sensible at this point for me.  Zeigler has great hands, but he never showed himself as much of a special teams force.  Whomever was potentially going to be the 6th wide receiver on the 49ers would need to show a lot more than pass-catching ability.  Let's be honest: how often will that 6th receiver sniff the field?  Obviously they'll get playing time, but it will NOT be remotely significant.  So, that means you need a guy who can step up in other facets of the game.

That makes Micheal Spurlock your man.  He's seen time returning kicks and punts, he's seen time as a receiver, and of course, we've seen him in the Taser formation.  Maybe he does none of those things.  Maybe he's cut in three days when Michael Crabtree signs and never dons the sweet new unis.  However, he brings a lot more of a well-rounded game than Dominique Zeigler does at this point in his career.  Oh, and Zeigler has practice squad eligibility.  Oh, and nobody claimed Zeigler.  So, in hindsight, everything is hunk-dory.  Of course, given how fantastic this community has become, this is the kind of move that generates discussion, when most fans are likely to ignore it.

After the jump, we take a look at some of the other cuts, and of course the Tony Pashos signing.

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Tony Pashos
We might as well talk about Tony Pashos, right off the bat.  The whole thing is a little bizarre.  Pashos was complaining about his salary in Jacksonville and after being cut, signed a 1-year deal for less than what he was making in Jacksonville, with a team where he's not guaranteed starting time.  Of course, given his talent, it's entirely possible he surpasses Adam Snyder on the depth chart, shows his stuff and signs a big fat contract in the offseason.  A lot of things could happen.  Here's what the fine folks at Scout's Inc have to say about Pashos (Insider protected):

He started all 16 games at right tackle for the Jaguars in 2008 and does a good job of anchoring that side of the offensive line. He is a massive tackle with long arms, excellent strength and adequate athleticism. He is a powerful drive blocker that often simply engulfs opponents and uses his long arms to lock up opponents and drive them off the line. He is not a natural knee bender and has to work to keep his pad level down to leverage his blocks. He tends to grab wide to engulf opponents and has just enough foot agility to work his way around and seal opponents off. He has limited lateral range in pas protection and often has to turn his hips to run rushers on by the pocket. He is susceptible to counter moves but can sink his hips to hunker down versus the bull rush.

I realize based on comments made in the Pashos thread and every other thread about offensive tackles, that people will complain about not drafting a tackle in the draft.  Feel free to continue complaining as it is certainly a gripe to be considered.  At the same time, for a short term move, I think the 49ers have done a good job.  No matter what anybody says, offensive tackle was a definite area of concern.  Barry Sims causes most people to shudder.

It's going to be very interesting to see how these first few weeks go with the offensive line.  The offensive line will be completely together and we can truly start to judge them.  At times this preseason the offensive line has looked solid and at times the line has struggled.  Now that we've got Staley, Baas, Heitmann, Rachal and Snyder all together for week 1, I'm actually rather excited.  My season preview (coming Friday or Saturday as part of the final divisional roundtable) will reflect this, but I think this could be a pretty decent line in 2009. 

As you can tell, I've officially entered the kool-aid chugging phase of the offseason.

Tight End
In looking over the 53-man roster, the decision to cut Kory Sheets caught me a bit off-guard, as well as the decision to only go with two tight ends (and that has nothing to do with the cutting of Bear Pascoe).  The team did not seem to like Finley enough to keep him around, so the question becomes, who do they bring in as the #3 tight end?  Or do they bother with one?  Normally that third tight end is strictly a blocking tight end, along the lines of a Billy Bajema

Bear Pascoe was not going to be that guy at this point, so either the team is happy with Davis being the blocking tight end, or the free agent market is not dried up yet.  Any thoughts on where the team goes with this one?  The tight end position raises a lot of questions, particularly given Jimmy Raye's comments about using Vernon Davis like Tony Gonzalez back in Kansas City.  Mike Martz said something along the same lines last season, but we all know how that turned out.  This is a completely different offense so I'll remain open-minded, but as always with the 49ers tight ends, I'm not holding my breath for monster numbers....wait...I need a quick drink.  And we're back.  Vernon Davis named to the Pro Bowl as more than just an alternate!

Running Back
The running back situation is intriguing because of the potential implications.  At this point there are numerous possibilities, not including signing another running back: 1) Frank Gore is getting a heavy load of carries (least likely); 2) Glen Coffee is going to see the field a whole lot his rookie year (most likely); 3) Michael Robinson is going to get a decent number of carries.  As to this last option, Robinson will clearly be involved in the offense.  We know he's a key aspect of the Taser formation.  But beyond that, will we see much more out of him?  I know most folks are praying for fewer goal line carries.  Do the 49ers have that kind of goal line back at this point? 

I say no, that it's more just a mix of quality running backs in Frank Gore and Glen Coffee; neither of whom is the traditional big hulking goal line back in the Brandon Jacobs mold.  Now that's not necessarily a bad thing, or even a good thing.  It simply is what it is.  I'd imagine the 49ers are in a position where they can use either Gore or Coffee in short yardage situations. 

The plus to the 49ers running back situation (not factoring in potential additions), is that the 49ers have some flexibility in who will be in the game in what situation.  When Coffee was drafted, a lot of folks were disappointed because he appeared to be a similar type of runner to Frank Gore.  Why add another Gore-type instead of some kind of offsetting back?  Well, in this league, I think you're just looking for talented players, even if they play in a similar fashion to your current players.

As with everything else in this and all analysis leading up to this Sunday, the cards (no pun intended) will finally be on the table Sunday afternoon.  On the offensive side of the ball I'd imagine the news is not finished yet.  Aside from Crabtree (as always), I would be shocked if the team stood pat as is.  There are a couple of spots that might still be filled and we'll certainly have all the info when it comes down.

We'll be back later this afternoon (around 2pm pacific time) with a look at what's gone down with the defense and how things are shaking out for it heading into this weekend's game at Arizona.

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disappointment with pascoe isn’t about the actually player or him over finley. but that a draft pick couldn’t even make the practice squad. that is pretty bad.

by save10 on Sep 8, 2009 9:01 AM PDT reply actions  

The one thing about draft picks.

Is that no matter how much research or analysis is done, no one can predict with any real confidence how a college player will be able to transition to the pro’s.. The deal with Pascoe was no so much his talent at his position but that he apparently a much more difficult time adjusting to the speed and size of NFL players. So given a bit of time he may make that adjustment and become all that he was expected to be..

by WC-Ninerhead on Sep 8, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is that no matter how much research or analysis is done, no one can predict with any real confidence how a college player will be able to transition to the pro’s..

THIS. There are players every draft where some teams will rate them as a 3rd round pick, while other teams rate them as UDFAs. It happens. Predicting the late-round talent is an extremely difficult job. It’s not like Pascoe was a 4th round pick or something. Not a whole lot separates 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks from UDFAs.

by sfgfan on Sep 8, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

A third tight end

would be better than one of the nine line backers we have. Singletary-ism?

by dartdart on Sep 8, 2009 9:23 AM PDT reply actions  

3-4 defense

You gotta carry more LBs in a 3-4, more DL in a 4-3. Nine may be one too many but we’re now at 8 with Briggs cut correct? They can also play special teams coverage unlike linemen. each coach has his area; with Seifert it was DBs. Former special teams coaches focus on specialists. Former position coaches are allowed to have that one area of favortism.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 8, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

The 3-4...

… requires a large number of linebackers. This is especially true if you STILL don’t know who your pass rushers are going to be.

In my opinion, I think it’s good the 49ers didn’t go with a third TE. It might signify that they’re a little more willing to try to spread the field than they originally indicated. Once Brandon Jones returns, it’ll be interesting to see what Morgon, Jones, and Bruce can do on the field at the same time.

by sfgfan on Sep 8, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn't really suprised

about Spurlock over Ziegler

"A foghorn blowing out wild and cold." -Dire Straits

by FriscoJoe on Sep 8, 2009 10:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Yep

And either would likely be cut if/when #10 pick signs (or Rossum).

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 8, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of course.

But shutup. :[

Yeah, no sarcasm. No witty remark. Shutup.

by James Brady on Sep 8, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did I do something wrong?

Or am I missing something.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 8, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can't open youtube at this time

Is it like a movie clip and that’s what I’m missing?

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 8, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well.

Actually it’s just a clip of “I Don’t Know How To Say (I Love You)” by The Superlatives.

by James Brady on Sep 8, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ahh

I missed the humor. And now understand. The frown face threw me.

BTW: I too like Zeigler and am happy he’s on the PS. If Jones can’t get/stay healthy he will be back on the 53 this year.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 8, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just wanted to say that I was happy with the Coffee pick…. it’s just I wasn’t happy when they chose an offensive player with the #10 pick, then traded their 2nd round pick, then went with another offensive pick with the third round pick…. and neither of the first two picks were for an offensive tackle. I REALLY wished that they had traded down for multiple picks, or even trade down twice…. they could have still taken Coffee, but they could have gotten a lot of value out of that #10 pick this year and next year. You can never have too many quality backs in this league.

I’m also disappointed in Pascoe. He’s better than that. I know they road him pretty hard in training camp, but that’s because they were so high up on him… and he didn’t rise to the occasion. It makes me sad to think that my Fresno State guys just aren’t going to make it at the next level… aside from Bernard Berrian.

I like the Tony Pashos signing…. FINALLY we have some depth somewhere on the O-Line.

by aBulldog on Sep 8, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Should have used that 2nd on RT Loadholt.

Instead of trading it to Carolina and signing Marvel Smith instead. And despite what McCloughan says, the trade wasn’t that good a deal for the 9ers – compare it to the Seattle trade with Denver a few picks before ours. As for the Crabtree pick, it was the right move but just hasn’t worked out very well. Seems the 9ers were relying on Dieon Sanders as a character reference and Sanders didn’t see any primadonna in Crabtree at all. Coming from a guy who was one of the biggest primadonnas in the NFL when he was playing, why am I not surprised he didn’t notice a thing? Oh well.

But as a general rule, the better a team’s roster is the less chance a late draft pick or UDFA has to make the team. Which argues for trading up in the draft to get fewer, but better, prospects. I know Belichick does exactly the reverse, trading high picks for later ones, but Belichick is a superior talent evaluator. I hope the team can trade up to get another 2nd next year.

by MontanaPass on Sep 8, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Crabtree pick was not a good pick

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by rlott#42 on Sep 8, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

how excited would we be if we were developing Orakpo into the OLB in the 3-4….. much more exciting than crabtree…..or if we shall descend…getting crabs?

by thatguywiththebeardandthebanjo on Sep 8, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like your O-line commentary. I’m quite happy that Snyder has been able to go through the entire offseason focusing on one position. I’m also happy that Rachal got some playing time last season. We’ll now know by the end of this season what we have and what we need up front. We’ll certainly find out early where we stand with two of the first three on the road, Minnesota’s top run defense and Spags’ new blitzing Rams.

Hope you enjoyed Labor Day in the ATL.

As for Coffee, I’m quite pleased with the pick and wonder if he may be a better short yardage back than Gore? Frank has fumbled in the past on teh goal line. Maybe anytime we need two yards or less Coffee should be the guy. It would certainly save Gore from all the extra punishment that comes with short yardage plays.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 8, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Both the Cards and Rams will be blitzing a lot.

Billy Davis has gone blitz-happy down in AZ, but without much effect. They were totally humiliated by Green Bay and make so many mental errors it’s hard to name any single culprit. For a defense with so many good players, it’s almost shocking how bad they’ve been in the preseason. The 9ers can beat them if they can, a) find a pass rush to get pressure on Warner, and, b) eat up the clock with the ground game and keep the AZ offense off the field. LT Mike Gandy has looked vulnerable all preseason, so some pressure there from Parys might be effective.

The Rams appear to still be a disaster area on defense despite having some good players and they are blitzing heavily with the safeties, CBs, and LBs, leaving dLinemen in coverage (this appears to be a trend in the NFL). But it’s been pretty ineffective in the preseason. I think the 9ers can run on them easily and if they can stop Steven Jackson, there’s pretty much nothing else there on offense. I predict the Lambs draft in the top five again next year.

The Seahawks are the team that worries me in the NFC West. Their defensive front seven may be one of the best in the NFL this year and once Trufant comes back, their secondary will be very good, too. With Hasselbeck running their WCO, they could be respectable if the OL holds up – an iffy proposition right now with W. Jones out again and changes at C and RG. I’ll be taping that Seahawks-Rams opener for review.

by MontanaPass on Sep 8, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

An advantage

That Davis is a new DC in AZ (and some would say a total advantage to us that he’s there at all). Their schemes, especialy as it relates to blitzing, are more likely to have some mistakes early in the season. That Hill now has audble power unlike last season is a good thing. If they choose to blitz a great deal and keep 8 or 9 in the box, Vernon, Morgan, Walker and Bruce all need to have big games becuase the opportunities will be there. We’re talking about AZ with the #22 pass D last season and only 13 INT. The same group that allowed Philly to come back and take the lead in the NFC ttile game and gave up the winning drive in the SB. Vulnerable. This seems to be forgotten when any expert talks about AZ, as though Warner’s passing can outscore people every week.

You’re right about the Rams but, low talent aside, it’s a test for any OL to have blitzers coming from all areas. I think that’s a good test for our guys, espeically with Philly looming later on the calendar.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 8, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Offense

I feel good about the O-line. Synder gives me hope and the other guys are very solid. They are definitely built to run so that bodes well for our offensive plan. I also think that Hill is a groove type player and gets better as a game goes on. That is probably the reason why he hasn’t done much in preseason. I’m not too worried about our receivers, we have the ever-dependable Bruce and the emerging Morgan. We have the ridiculously consistent Battle and the occasional playmaker Hill. Davis and Walker are formidable tight ends and I think we all forgot the first preseason game when Davis caught two long passes.

Our RB’s are VERY solid. Easily the biggest strength of our Offense. Shaun Hill doesn’t have to do much, just complete a few big passes a game to keep the defense honest and then all he has to do is complete those short yardage chunkers to compliment the “hit you in the mouth” running game.

Are there weakness and fears? Of course! But I tend to stay optimistic and take a wait and see approach.

"We want WINNERS!" - Coach Singletary

by cassusriff on Sep 8, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Barry Sims

Looking to start a Nickname thread for Sims. So far I’ve heard “Turnstile”, “Gumby”, “Screen Door”, “Strainer”, “Weeble” and “Hologram”.

by NateDavis9ersNextGr8QB on Sep 8, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I’ve called him Turnstile although I think Hologram is funnier. At least Sims gets credit for being a warm, live body, something Jonas Jennings and Marvel Smith never were.

by bignerd on Sep 8, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Michael Robinson

You missed the whole point with Michael. He had 17 receptions for 201 yards and an 11.9 average — third among all NFL RBs, in only half a season last year. He is a great receiver out of the backfield, and often is matched one on one with a linebacker. MRob has a quick first move after catching a pass and is hell in the open field. Rathman is his coach and his value to the team will be as the #2 FB in the Rathman/Craig mode. Remember, he was a wide receiver and a good one before Paterno asked him to play QB.

Kezarvet

by kezarvet on Sep 8, 2009 7:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Sheets "used to be" the best open field player we had

And he was cut, which still makes no sense to me. M rOB SHOULD HAVE BEEN UTILIZED ON kr/pr SOME OFFENSE, but not more than sheets

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by rlott#42 on Sep 8, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fooch...

I’ve been thinking a lot about the TE situation and I mentioned this in another post’s comments but I’ll reiterate here.

In normal 3 TE sets I’d like to see Pashos inserted as a OT and bounce Staley outseide to TE where he started his college career. Part of the reason we drafted him was because of his nasty athleticism and I’d like to see him used a in a little bit more of a flex role. I understand you don’t really want to put him there in practice because he’s still learning the ropes as an LT but I’d like to see him moved to being a pass-catching eligible target when we’re a couple of yards outside the endzone. I think he could be a good red zone presence from that close if he’s retained any sort of hands at all.

Thoughts? (from anyone)

by foosball4949 on Sep 8, 2009 8:33 PM PDT reply actions  

No!

I’m not putting our only good OT and most important lineman at tight end to get attacked or cheap shotted by the defense.

by bignerd on Sep 8, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good idea but flip sides

Put Pashos at TE outside Snyder who could use a bit more bulk on a running play.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 8, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

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