Official Niners Nation Michael Crabtree FanPost #2
by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2009 9:27 AM PDT
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PrintFor a while there things had quieted down in regards to Michael Crabtree. He had started to miss practices and then games and in my mind the next deadline became later this week/weekend. Basically, will he sign before the season begins?
Now that the season is mere days away, the Michael Crabtree conundrum is rearing its ugly head. Eric Davis continues to speak as someone who seems to have inside knowledge on the situation. Then we've got Deion Sanders yapping about the situation. I'd say it's gone from bad to worse, but bad is bad, and this is definitely not getting better.
Given the rapid increase in Crabtree-related FanPosts over the last few days, now seemed as good a time as any to open up the general Michael Crabtree FanPost. We had a previous version of this, but with over 300 comments it was a little difficult to keep track of all the various arguments. So, I thought we'd open this new version of the thread.
Feel free to continue using the existing Crabtree threads, but instead of creating new threads, let's keep the comments to those other ones or this one. And also, please rec this so it stays up in the Rec'd FanPosts for the foreseeable future.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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If he signs now, he won’t be seeing much playing time, if any… so it really doesn’t make much sense for the Niners to put pressure on themselves to get him signed, because he’ll start losing money off that contract for every game he misses. BUT, the sooner he gets in, the sooner he can FINALLY work with the team and learn the offense, perhaps helping the team in the second half of the season, if they are fighting for a playoff spot.
So, all the pressure remains on Crabtree, and it’s building up more and more. He thinks he’s punishing the team by sitting out, but he’s really only wasting his talent, and making it harder for himself. I don’t know why he would want to try to punish the team that drafted him… it’s not their fault he was labeled a pre-Madonna
It was a dark time for music, indeed, before Madonna’s shining light illuminated the world’s ears.
I’m not sure what that means at the end, but I’m pretty sure it’s true.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 8, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
nickname?
I know we’d been working on it but this is the second reference to “pre-Madonna.” Same person making the reference? Could be an amusing option.
by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
But Madonna, she still has not showed
We see this empty cage now corrode
Where her cape of the stage once had flowed
And the fiddler, he now steps to the road
He writes “Everything’s been returned which was owed”
On the back of the fish truck that loads
While my conscience explodes
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
ARG!!! Prima Donna
SORRY, I was at work, and that came out wrong… then accidentally hit the POST button when I realized my mistake and I didn’t even finish my comment. It was a long weekend, and my brain is fried from work…. etc.
No, I don’t think I was the first person who made that reference, but I’m not known as having the best grammar or spelling abilities… so maybe it was.
BUT, if the name stuck as a nickname, then so be it. I’d wear a jersey that said Pre-Madonna on it over one that said Crabtree at this point. HAHAHA!
lost pick
at this point the 49ers should take their loss and try to find someone on wavers to bring in to fill the gap left by Crabtree. It sounds like Crabtree is going to be another TO and teams around the league are getting tired of dealing with players like that. Maybe the 49ers can trade the rights to Crabtree away for some O lineman. If Hill doesn’t have time to get the ball out then it really doesn’t matter who is out there to catch it. The top teams in the league have great lines, the teams with an OK line end up with an OK season and I would like to see more then OK this year.
Crabtree = T.O. without the talent?
Lol.
Sorry 10 for tech, don’t kill me.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 8, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
basic programming
if
Crabtree =/= signed contract
then
Crabtree < T.O. without talent
Dwight, Jerry: Crabtree is clutch
gotcha
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 9, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think they can trade his rights away anymore. That time passed a long time ago. I believe they can sign him and THEN trade him.
I believe
they have to wait till March 2010 to trade his rights, could be wrong
by sundaysfinest on Sep 8, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
maiocco went over all this – but I think, signed or not, we can’t trade him until march
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
Why should they "take their loss"?
Why not keep trying to sign him?
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 9, 2009 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously.
There’s nothing wrong with keeping the offer on the table. Heck, I’d be all for making it a 6-year deal, since the first year is down the shoot.
maybe Al Davis
knew what he was doing all along
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Sep 8, 2009 11:27 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
*gasp*
It feels like a horror movie.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 8, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
“But what’s really amazing is that this is exactly what Al Davis said would happen.”
“Yeah, Al Davis was right.”
“I know, kids. I’m scared too!”
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
- Homer Simpson
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 8, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Truffle?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 8, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Truffle?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 8, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, how’d that happen?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, man I'm going to have nightmares tonight....
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 9, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Crabtree
At this point the only loss is of a draft pick. He cannot be traded, nor his rights because that deadline has passed. If he were to be signed, even if signed for more than his “slotted” value, then the Niners would have options. With 2 first round picks next year and Crabtree under contract their would be great leverage for a trade. They would be in a position to trade potential for a proven performer.
I don’t have any evidence of facts for support, but it appears to me that the wide receiver position is a prime source for head cases and prima donna’s. Possibly because they are basically invisible unless the ball is thrown to them, so they speak out to draw attention their way.
My biggest concern is whether or not Crabtree has the confidence in his performance to earn the big money contract on the field, so he wants it before even showing a glimpse of what he can do.
Sign and trade makes no sense
We would still have to pay him the guaranteed money
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 8, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I give 50-50 on a signing this week.
It’s all on Crabtree at this point, but it appears to me he’s not getting solid advice. If he holds out, the 9ers can trade his rights come March 1, 2010, but what they can get for him is another question entirely. Any team interested would have to give up a high first or a combination of picks and then have to deal with signing him. But if no teams bite on the trade, Crabtree will re-enter the draft to take his chances – but would you want to draft him knowing, for sure, that he’s a primadonna and will be difficult to handle? My guess is he would fall into the 2nd or 3rd rounds before anyone but Al Davis would take him. Imho, Crabtree is making a huge career mistake here. If he’s smart, he’ll just sign the contract, be grateful he got $17-18mil guaranteed for just his potential, and work hard to prove Al Davis made a mistake. Heck, he should be grateful he DIDN’T get drafted by the Faiders given how many players go there and disappear.
Maybe the 49ers can hold their own supplemental draft
That way the two teams that supposedly were willing to pay him can fight for Crabtree’s rights.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 8, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
care to explain?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 8, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but I've never seen that picture before....?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 9, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
You haven't seen those beer ads?
Where do you live? It’s the Guinness Beer ad campaign.
Here are some of the ads:
Guinness Beer Ad 1
Guinness Beer Ad 2
Inland empire (near LA)
Never seen em dude.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 9, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 10, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I like to vary my diet
Guinness and Patron
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I like seafood
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 10, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Or file a tampering complaint with the League.
There’s obviously some hanky-panky going on behind the scenes by FOC (Friends Of Crabtree) that amount to blatant tampering. If the two teams supposedly offering to pay Crabtree his money are identified, the 9ers have a solid complaint. And could be awarded a high draft pick as punishment (See Chicago v 49ers). Probably not likely, but it would be slightly ironic.
I really think Sanders said that to make everyone feel Crabtree was worth what they wanted
I really doubt that any other teams have contacted the 49ers about him.. at least not since the trading deadline.
The problem with trading him after March 1st is that the team trading for him will have to pay him the big bucks…
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
the Entourage factor (pardon the rant)
When Mangini called Crabtree a prima donna, this was what he was referring to; you haven’t played a down of football at the NFL level and you come in here expecting the moon because you’ve got the yards that should have been expected from a guy playing in a gimmick offense that passes every down and in which you were the only option. So you gather 15 people around you that are all telling you that you’re a receiver that should be mentioned in the same breath as Jerry Rice and should be paid accordingly—and because one of them happens to be a Hall of Famer you believe the hype?
Whatever Neon Deion did, he always got paid. When I saw the two of them together on a NFL.com video back in March I wondered if this was just a chance encounter (since Deion works for the NFL network). I wish it had just been a chance encounter, because you don’t have to look too much beyond #21 to understand where the notions in Crabbytree’s head are coming from.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
by grantmp on Sep 8, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+ some dude in the back to Crabtree's left going:
“Aw yeah! We rich baby!”
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 9, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably why he hasn't signed
Everybody has got to be rich beeeeeyotch
AKA.............Optimist Prime
Banned in 13 comments from the Gulls and I am proud!!
At least he isn't choking bisexual reality stars
Or maybe he should if he wants regain the NFL attention, although I am certain he will make big news if he signs by Sunday.
Has he signed a shoe deal or any endorsements by now?
Hello, Mike Crabtree here for Fisherman’s Wharf crabs, you gotta catch them!
Win the inning.
He's got money coming in
Barrows did an article about that issue. He’s got his Subway deal, he gets a cut on jersey sales and football card sales, and I he has some other endorsement deals already.
by David Fucillo on Sep 8, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Subway huh?
Will he do a similar commercial like Brady Quinn did a couple years ago?
Fan:
Hey Michael, come tailgate with us on Sundays!
Crabs:
Sunday? No I can’t….wait I am totally available on Sundays! No contract and no team but I eat fresh!!!
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Sep 8, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if this will be an issue
on Madden, since he hasn’t signed, but yet you can play him as a niner. I mean, if he doesn’t have a contract, he’s not part of the NFL, right?
by sundaysfinest on Sep 8, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it has to do with the NFLPA or something since they are still selling his Niners’ jerseys too while the team, NFL and Crabtree makes money off them. If he sits out, EA will likely update the rosters (as they always do once the rosters are final) and #15 will cease to exist on the 49ers.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Sep 8, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
too many
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 8, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't...
… understand how he gets a cut of the NFLPA stuff when he’s probably not paying the union dues?
Whether or not Crabtree signs @ this point...
doesn’t matter. He won’t be slated to start & he’s a head case who seems to think he’s all that from his time in Texas Tech, but hasn’t proven squat in the NFL. That said, I say if he wants to sit the entire year…let him. Because then, he’ll have missed out an entire football season…probably demanding 1st round money & there ain’t a team out there with common sense who would consider drafting him after the masquerade he pulled & is still pulling with us.
This brings me to a question: IF he doesn’t sign & we’re still holding his draft rights come 2010, what would be our best case scenario?
It absolutely does matter
Losing a first rounder for nothing is a HUGE loss, the effects go far beyond just this year.
In your scenario though the best case would be to trade him for what we can get or sign him, but the latter wouldn’t happen.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 9, 2009 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
BTW, good news concerning our O-line
The 49ers signed veteran RT Tony Pashos(notes) to a one-year deal Monday, bolstering a unit that gave up a league-high 55 sacks last season. As the ’08 season drew to a close, coach Mike Singletary cited offensive tackle as one of the areas the team needed to improve. The 49ers signed one-time Pro Bowler Marvel Smith(notes) in free agency, but his bad back prevented him from winning a starting job and he retired last month. Pashos (6-6, 326) is a six-year veteran who was released by the Jaguars after he refused to switch from tackle to guard. He is big and physical but susceptible to speed rushers. He will begin the season behind Adam Snyder(notes) on the depth chart. However, the hope is his familiarity with position coach Chris Foerster’s system—they were together for two seasons in Baltimore—will allow him to take over the position in short order.
— Matt Barrows
sorry this probably doesn't help any
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-crabtreeholdout090809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
so thats the latest!!!
should the niners look into someone tampering? because its mentioned again that two other teams said they would take him next year.
catching passes from Trent Dilfer
hmmm……
by sundaysfinest on Sep 8, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
well atleast he is working out and not sitting at home playing madden!
by whitemike1644 on Sep 8, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
So he’s practicing taking passes from bad quarterbacks? Some people might call that smart preparation!
(not necessarily me, but gosh darnit just roll with the punch line)
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 8, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
ZING
good post, all that was missing was the obligatory “I’m here all week, don’t forget to tip your waitress” line.
LOL
What the hell you think he’d be doing if he signed with the niner’s, the exact same thing, catching passes from bad QB’s.
by GeeMunster on Sep 9, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Thank you for explaining the joke.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Stating the blindingly obvious = rec?
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
I’ve never seen someone miss a joke that badly. It deserved recognition.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Ah, I dig.
Dude makes an ass of himself, and we put forth the effort to ensure that as many people see the embarrassment as possible.
In that case, I rec as well! =)
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
Crabtree would be the first first-round pick to sit out the season since quarterback Kelly Stouffer in 1987.
That sure worked out well for him
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
Distraction
NFL players are all about focus and repitition. The #10 pick has yet to become a distraction to them because he’s not around, doesn’t speak publicly and has yet to actually become a teammate. My worry is when he does sign how might this might impact ftheir ocus. Right now everything is about the upcoming season and AZ on Sunday as it should be. But what if he signs late Saturday? That becomes the whole discussion point throughout Sunday and Monday. I will truly resent him if he chooses to make his signing a poorly timed circus that in any way distracts the team from preparation or game day.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
He Will Never Play For The 49ers
Its obvious Crabtree will never play for the 49ers..He never wanted to come here and now he can sit out and maneuver his way to the Cowboys..Jones will give us their first round pick for him..
He will somehow be a Cowboy and circumvent the system, because the Yorks terrible karma rears its ugly head again..
Bottomline is zero for the tenth pick in the draft for 2009..
I see 6-10 written all over this season..
by The Sear on Sep 8, 2009 4:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
if you notice the schedule
you’ll see that we play our last game of the year on jan. 3rd. so he was, in fact, right… at least this year.
lol
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 12, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions
If we get Dallas' 1st rd pick next year
Then the #10 pick wouldn’t have gone for nothing.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
That's what I've been saying for the past 2-3 weeks
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 8, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
what if?
jones just drafts him in the first round
Not if we trade him for a second round pick to another team.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 9, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Its obvious Crabtree will never play for the 49ers.
No, no, a thousand times no. No, it’s not. Seriously? He has less than a week before he starts losing paychecks. When he starts actually losing money and STILL doesn’t look like he’s going to back off, then I’ll entertain these thoughts. But players have held out into the season before. It’s an unblievably dumb thing for them to do. But they DO it from time to time. They do. It happens. It’s not unprecedented. I know that he’s trying our patience, but we still have to wait and see before we can jump to conclusions like these.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 8, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
So wait… I keep seeing this stuff about the Cowboys, but I haven’t seen any sources for that.
I know the Crabtree situation IS getting weird, and he’s already pretty stupid for holding out this long. I still don’t think that it’s a foregone conclusion that he doesn’t sign, just because this kind of a holdout has happened before.
But where is this Cowboys stuff coming from? Is it actually sourced? Is it wild speculation? Is it just because of some Deion Sanders connection?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 8, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I just thought it was interesting...
There is no real source. But I’ve just been reading how some people believe that its all part of the plan to get Crabtree to Dallas. That’s his favorite team. His close mentor Deon had major ties with Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. Jones obviously has the money to pull it off and the connections and power to not get caught with tampering chargers. Buts all just speculation and conspiracy theories.
Okay. Well, in that case, I certainly agree that it’s interesting but I’m pretty much going to continue to respectfully (well, hopefully respectfully) write it off as complete bunk.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
You and me, buddy, we’re on the same boat.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope it's...
… not a two-man canoe, because I want in.
I’ve been really holding back from turning this into a “little man in a boat” joke, and you’re not making it any easier, darnit.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
That boat should sink this sunday
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 9, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know about Howie...
… but I believe he’s going to sign. I don’t know when he’ll sign, but I’m strongly doubt he’s going to sit out a whole year.
Pretty much, yeah.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Assuming that you’re talking about the same joke I’ve been trying not make, then I just have one thing to say to you.
You and me, buddy…
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, providing that we are indeed thinking of the same joke..
I’m thinking we should just stay at the bar, eh? Maybe make that boat trip another time..
Too late, man. We’re already in the boat. There’s no turning back now. Looks like we really muffed this one. :/
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh…
We were not, in fact, thinking of the same joke. And, yes, you are a horrible person.
Geez. I thought we were talking about the clitoris.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, why do you think I used the word “muff”?
/continues to be horrified – o_0
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand where you're going
The reason I proceeded to say my joke was because I suspected that we were on different pages. I was right. :[
It’s the damn NFL Board on GameFAQs. They’ve turned me into a horrible person. I mean come on, Frog posts there regularly.
o_0
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm on a boat!
I am another that thinks he will sign. It would be absolutely foolish for him not to sign, there is no guarantee that he gets anywhere near the money he could sign for this year. So if he is truly about the money, the most logical choice would be to sign.
by VigilanteSteve on Sep 9, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
You people and your boats.
FOOLS
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 9, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Outside of putting an indeterminate number of twos together, though, how do you know that? I don’t think any of us have this kind of awesome insight into Crabtree’s psyche, and Occam’s razor really does tell us that more likely than anything else, it’s about the money.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
You are correct...
I do not know, just like the rest of us niner fans do not know. But my gut tells me he’s not signing. Obviously the money is a factor, but what he really wants is a show-case system to play in.
I can't see him
not playing for dallas. He grew up a cowboy fan, he has deon in his crew (who has always been a cowgirl fan). Thats why I think he is doing what he is doing. Imagine being drafted by your home teams playoff rival. What better way to stick it to them than making them waste a first round pick. I think he would take the slotted money if he was taken by dallas @ #10. It was easy for me to get over him not signing as I was mad that we drafted him in the first place. I think drafting an injured player is a very bad move on a teams part. Some may say, ‘what about adrian peterson?’ to that I would point to the type of injury…a collar bone broken? for a running back vs a foot for a receiver. Did AP go through the combine? I know he at least did oklahomas pro days.
Deion is a fan of JJ's money
Which tells you the true content of his character.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
crabtree
I say, if he is not happy being a team player, then trade him! Lets not have another T.O on this team. He obviously has no desire to play for the 49ers. If he did, he would be willing to play and prove his worth. Obviously, this is not an option for him. Trade him and be done with the mess.
Finally, a sensible response!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 8, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
GET RID OF CRYBABY CRABTREE!!!!
WHAT A MORON…I SAY WE JUST CUT HIM NOW AND BE DONE WITH IT…HE IS A LOSER AND LET HIM SEE IF ANY TEAM WILL GIVE HIM WHAT HE WANTS. LET IT BE A LESSON TO ALL COLLEGE PLAYERS THAT ARE COMING OUT THINKING THEY WILL GET MONEY WITHOUT PROVING THEMSELVES. EVEN IF THEY DO SIGN HIM…I HOPE THEY BOOOO HIM FROM NOW AND THEN HE CAN CRY ABOUT HOW WE DON’T LIKE HIM!!!! I DON’T WANT THIS PLAYER!!!! PERIOD!!!!!!!
OMG ALL CAPS!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 8, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He never wanted to sign...
It seems clear to me that Crabtree never wanted to sign with the 49ers. And why should he… with our run heavy, conservative, passing attackless offense. He basically decided, “Eh… joining the 49ers will not help my career, so I better wait until next year’s draft… unless the 49ers are stupid enough to pay me top 5 money…” The best way to get him to sign is to show him we can throw the ball around. Unfortunately, this is not going to happen. Do not expect him to sign. It’s not about the money, it’s about the offensive system…
Not Sure of Thoughts
Why is the only ppl that are talking for Crabtree are the ones that (a) Never played in the NFL at all, (b) Signed there contracts when they were rookies. If this guy cannot understand that you have to make it in the NFL before you can consider yourself a player. The draft is just a way for you to get in. If anything you should have a chip on your shoulder to prove you were a top 5 pick. There will always be players that drop in the draft based on when they get pick. That is life. After that, you hope to get picked in the first round and keep “face” that you are 1st round talent. The one thing I hope happen is that we make the player off with the best record in the NFC and he decides to sign to our playoff team
Cream
of course...
if he doesn’t sign by week 10(?), he cannot play with us the rest of the season. At least, that is my understanding.
I think
All of the people on here saying “He’s never going to sign with us and never wanted too!” or “Let him sit the rest of the season!” are going to look awful foolish when he ends up signing in the next few days.
Of course, I’m prepared to admit how foolish and naive I am if this isn’t the case.
What gives you any indication he is going to sign in the next few days? I think he comes to his senses before Week 10 but I doubt he signs this week.
I think the idea is the same as it’s always been for people like Brendan on these boards who have been saying “he’s going to sign before the season starts.”
Maybe even we didn’t think it would come down to the wire like this, but “before the season starts” still actually hasn’t happened. So we’re still pretty much going with the same presumption that we’ve had all along.
And, like Brendan said, we’re perfectly willing to admit that we were the fools in all this if he doesn’t sign. It just makes a lot of sense that a guy who seems so hung up on money won’t subject himself to losing paychecks.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
Why do I think he will sign? Simply because it doesn’t make sense not to. He’s only cosing himself money and he has nothing to gain by sitting out games, let alone the whole season.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 9, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
The problem is, his advisors, like Sanders, are telling him he will get 30 mil or 40 or whatever
Crabtree would not be thinking about what he won’t be getting because once he signs he will get a guarenteed amount no matter how much he plays or when he signs. He may miss out on paychecks but if he signs with another team next year for 35 million and 25 mil guarenteed then he will not lose anything.
Also, If Dallas really does want him.. they will pay for him..
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
He won't get nearly that much next year though.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 9, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Jerry Jones...
is a crazy man… I think he’ll sign by season start but if he doesn’t I’m jumping on the Cowboys Conspiracy Bandwagon
That logic is contrary to all reports
Every report says he is not going to sign anytime soon. Your the same guy killing people for making up the Cowboy/Crabtree conspiracy because there are zero reports behind it.
I said one time that I was going to treat the Cowboy/Crabtree conspiracy as total bunk without a report. I’m hardly killing people for it.
I think there is a MUCH bigger leap you have to take between “He still hasn’t signed, so he’s GOING TO BE A COWBOY NEXT YEAR” and “He still hasn’t signed, but it would be really, really stupid of him not to, so I expect that he will.”
The two aren’t exactly equitable.
That said, the reports ARE that the two sides still aren’t close. You’re right about that. And I guess it is a pretty glaring flaw in my dedication to the idea that he will sign soonish. But it would just be so monumentally stupid of the guy not to sign… like, monumentally stupid.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
This is how I view it...
If Crabtree honestly thinks he can get MORE money in next years draft… then he is an idiot and I’d rather him NOT play for the 9ers.
If it’s about the system then he clearly isn’t thinking about what’s good for the team so in my mind he’s out either way… unless he signs, then I’m ok with him.
by Smithisstilltheanswer on Sep 11, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Not sure if anyone remembers but
The Niners admitted having Crabs high on their board so Crabs does have a reasonable argument. He’s just barking up the wrong tree.
but that still doesn't make it a reasonable argument
part of the deal with the NFL draft is that there are draft slots and you get paid according to where you were drafted – so a good player might fall a little in the draft and get a little less money and a worse player might get picked early and get a little more money – but you can’t just say that you deserve more money because people thought you were going to go higher in the draft – the fact of the matter is you DIDN’T go higher in the draft – so maybe you are not as desired as you thought you were, and therefore not worth as much money.
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This is the biggest joke pulled on the Niners
They knew there was a problem before they drafted him but They didn’t want to believe it. It like believing they didn’t like anyone in the 2nd and 4th round. Lame !!!
Stop pulling the wool over our eyes !!!
What problem?
And they got a 1st rounder for the second and fourth rounders. They liked the first rounder more than anyone left on the board, I don’t see what’s wrong with that.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 9, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
I think all this fear of losing him and feelings that our roster has so little talent shows waht happense when a team has too many consectuvie losing seasons. People have bouts of unclear thoughts. It’ll all be okay it’s just going to take some time.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Seriously.
How do fans make the jump from having an “entourage” to being “un-signable”?
They equate not coming to his senses and signing to not wanting to look weak and disappoint his entourage.
In the end...
… you’re the one that’s getting paid. You don’t get paid for the entourage.
Although you probably support a few of your entourage
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
What I'm saying...
… is that if you lose $10M because you sat out a year, they don’t care. You’re the one that lost $10M.
In the end...
…it’s not about the money. He doesn’t want to be a 49er, hence the ridiculous request to receive H-B money. He is not signing unless the 49ers up their offer, which I doubt will happen. I suspect he will be traded prior to next year’s draft.
If he didn't want to be a 49er
Why wouldn’t he have said that from the beginning and try to get traded? Holding out all summer, losing a year of wages and then trying again in 2010 is an awful strategy.
He had to see what we'd look like first.
If Indy, Dallas, NE, etc would have drafted him, he’d already have been signed into a slotted deal. But since this is the no-pass Niners, he’d rather take a pass… unless we are willing to fork over the big money.
Again, common sense and history
No one has ever pushed their career back a year under the circumstances you’re talking about and no one ever should. Terrible career decision.
and there was that other guy
that was mentioned in another post
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MMMM STOUFFER’S LASAGNA.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
right
There is a precedent for something like this. The Cardinals selected quarterback Kelly Stouffer with the No. 6 pick in 1987. Stouffer sat out the entire season. The following April, the Cardinals traded Stouffer’s rights to the Seahawks for a fifth-round pick in the 1988 draft and first- and fifth-round selections in the ’89 draft.
per MM
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nothing seems to say
how much Seattle ending up paying him, and how it compared to what the Cards were trying to give him.
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
Yes, there was Stouffer
But its not really the same. The money he’d be giving up off the first year of his career is substantially more.
So it's not about the money?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope. It's about the system.
He’s watched mini-camp, followed training camp, and knows he doesn’t want to be stuck in a no-pass offense. Had Hill come out throwing touchdowns left and right, I believe he would have signed.
Vick
IMO, we’d of had a better chance signing Crabtree had we brought in Vick. He wants the ball… the money is just gravy.
And Vick is going to get him the ball?
Vick is a pretty bad QB that likes to keep the ball to himself.
I'm no Vick Fan
…and am glad he didn’t come to the niners, but he’s a gamer and he takes care of his boys. Of course, he needs to start first… which he would have had a better chance in SF. More than money, I believe Vick wants a QB and a system that will throw to him. I think he’s all about the lights… which isn’t all bad. Think Keyshawn Johnson.
Even...
… if the 49ers ran 60% of the time, a good WR is still a necessity. Crabtree has the makings of being just that, and when he was drafted, I had little doubt he’d surpass Bruce and Morgan by the end of the season as Hill/Smith’s favorite target.
If all he could do was catch, Singletary wouldn't have drafted him
What Sing likes about Crabtree is:
It’s the things that you do when you don’t have the football…
Mike Singletary
Dwight, Jerry: Crabtree is clutch
Arnaz Battle can block too
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 9, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
correction...
I meant “I believe Vick Crabtree wants a QB and a system that will throw to him. I think he’s all about the lights… which isn’t all bad. Think Keyshawn Johnson.”
If he wants to be like Keyshawn
I say fine, let’s give him Keyshawn money. That would be far less than Jerry Rice type money.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Bootlegger
You might be on to something. I think it’s more than just money as to why he hasn’t signed yet.
If he doesn't sign...
because Hill isn’t a gunner… how’s he gonna feel in a year or two when Nate Davis is thowing bombs downfield to Morgan and Davis?? Holllerrrrr
by Smithisstilltheanswer on Sep 11, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm sorry
But this is just a really bad idea.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 9, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
You have to keep in mind history and common sense. No one has ever held out a full year to impress their entourage. The reason is because that’s just silly. No one is impressed by a complete buffoon. But every year players hold out right up until the start of the season and even into it. Happened last year with Derrick Harvey and the year before Jamarcus Russel.
Maybe Crabtree will make idiotic history, but that’s betting against all common sense and history.
I just have to say
what a disaster it will be for the NFL as a whole if some team is dumb enough to either trade for him in March or draft him in the first round next year and pay him 30 million or more. It will just destroy the slotting system that has been set up, and give every prima donna player reason to believe they can choose where they want to play and how much $ they deserve to get.
If he does end up sitting out the season and re-entering the draft, we have to hope that he falls to the third round and gets offered a tiny contract.
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
Agreed...
As much as any team wants a Crabtree, I hope they are smart enough not to raise his draft position above the second round… or at the worst, give him a 10th pick.
I wonder if he has thought about the fact that he could get HURT while NOT playing football.
If he gets hurt before he signs his career could be over with almost no money.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
How is he going to get hurt by sitting on his ass all day?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 9, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
He could get a motorcycle. I mean, it’s not like he has any contract that says he can’t ride one or anything.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Sitting on his ass all day?
If Crabtree is looking to make more money next year than this year, he has his work cut out for him in terms of conditioning and staying sharp physically and mentally.
Eh
He can’t work out for teams so they’ll never see him.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 9, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Uh.
You still have to stay in shape. That’ll be one of the biggest question marks for him going into the next draft (if he makes it that far): is he still physically ready?
is he still physically ready?
Nobody will know that since he won’t be able to show off his “skills”
It will be last March all over again.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 10, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
There is always a chance for him to get Hemorrhoids.
And if he sits on his ass for a year.. he wouldn’t be able to play.. or walk. he would just be a pain in the ass.
He is working with Trent Dilfer, which, in itself is not a great thing but it does say he is trying to keep in some sort of shape. I imagine Deion is also working with him or making sure he works out..
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Has he hired someone to tackle him after he makes catches?
I would gladly volunteer for that job.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 9, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
No
I’d hope in that case that the Niners trade him for as much as they possibly can.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 9, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The Jerry Jones Factor
With a no cap year coming up, JJ just tells his people that he will make up for what he lost by sitting out the year, during the upcapped year..He is making so much money from his new stadium, its ridiculous..Crabtree is perfect for JJ and his new park, a local boy who he stole from the 49ers, what awesome PR that is..The league will just let it go because the Yorks are a laughingstock and the league could care less about a third rate franchise like the 49ers..Jones has the money and the juice to make this happen..
if that happens
I hope the Cowgirls get nailed so hard for tampering
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Heh… nailed.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Option
The only option the 49ers have to keep him away from the Cowboys is to trade his rights to another team after March 1.
I bet that Jones makes the best offer..I bet he is the only one that might offer a number one draft choice..
This is another in a long line of York debacles..So what else is new..
Man, this Cowboys thing is really taking off.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
If he really wants to go to the Cowboys then even if we traded him to another team.. he wouldn't sign with them and still reenter the draft
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
this dude was my #3 fanasy pick
screw what Bey was payed you are the 10th overall pick crabtree. But will having him help us anyway. Without an offensive line will Hill have the ability to get the ball out there. ill tell you if we didnt have Gore then our team would be shit. If the line does its job then i believe Josh Morgan will do some damage this year. He was my sleeper pick. Crabtree stop being a pansy and sign. what makes you think by re-entering the draft there will be a chance of you getting better then a first round pick or better then 10th over all.
FYI
our site decorum rules prohibit swearing in non-gameday threads
/moderator hat
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whoops
this is my first post but it was a light swear word next time it wont happen
Dang-nabbit!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I really like that game day threads are exempt.
Because whenever a turnover happens I always want to say [bleep!]
by mayfieldcol on Sep 12, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
In general. We still don’t condone really awful stuff like racism, sexism, homophobia, etc., and we’d always prefer that things stay clean in general, but if the 49ers call for a hopeless challenge when it doesn’t make a lick of sense, we won’t make an issue when you f-bomb your socks off in the gameday thread.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 10, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey
Well that makes all the [site decoration] sense in the world! Thx
Sacred cows make the best hamburger.
cont..
im sure there will be alot of great players coming out of college and i will laugh if crabtree gets forgottin about completely. I doubt it but if he doenst sign then screw him
well
whats the nin game day threat u are talking abouyt and do u run this site
When there is a game, Fooch will open a thread where people can go talk about the game while it’s happening. During those threads, the rules of conduct are a little bit looser. In other threads, we don’t let swearing go by.
And actually, we do kind of run the site. Fooch is the head honcho by a longshot, but you can see a list of official website moderators at the very bottom of the website.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
cool
love the site and hope to see a good season
yeah
the assistant coaches are people who regularly contribute to the main page – I’m just on as a moderator to make sure nobody is getting out of hand, swearing, being a jerk, etc.
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
And if anybody on the site would know about being a jerk, it would be you.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
wow
I haven’t even started dominating you in the prediction games, and you’re starting with this?
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
I’m saving “wjerkalope” for the prediction games. But if you set me up like that I’m not just going to let it sit there.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
WELL I CAME UP WITH IT I SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT AS MUCH AS I WANT!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
actually
I think someone else before you used it a long long time ago
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
Well, the search function seems to be telling me that I was the first, but I really don’t know. I’m just assuming.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
oh yeah
you were probably the first on NN – but I’ve used this handle for a long time in different places, so who knows.
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No swearing or Bochy references in gameday threads!
You know, Site decorum and all.
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by David Fucillo on Sep 9, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
No need to press Crabtree anymore to sign
Just sit on the offer now and move on, reducing by some percentage each week for the current season.
Now that the 49ers are days away from opening the regular season Sunday at Arizona, perhaps Crabtree should be the one concerned. He’s not even a focus anymore, barely mentioned at team headquarters. He’s so far behind that his rookie season could be lost even if he does finally show up for practice and pull on his No. 15 jersey — or at least his impact might be significantly less than had he reported on time.
“I thought I’d see Crabtree by now, but he’s not here,” tight end Vernon Davis said Wednesday. “He could help the team out, but he’s not here and we have to move forward. We can’t wait.”
Crabtree’s locker is unoccupied, a helmet and pads there ready for him if and when he does appear, along with a hefty stack of fan mail. He very well may be losing his teammates’ respect, too — though there’s the thought that if he arrives and immediately plays well the lengthy contract impasse could be forgiven in a hurry.
This article made me look over the draft picks’ contracts one more time.
6th Cincinnati – OT Andre Smith – 4 years, $26 million, $21 million guaranteed
7th Oakland – WR Darrius Heyward-Bey – 5 years, $38.25 million, $23.5 million guaranteed
8th Jacksonville – OT Eugene Monroe – 5 years, $25 million, $19 million guaranteed
9th Green Bay – DT B.J. Raji – 5 years, 28.5 million, $19.2 million guaranteed
10th – WR Michael Crabtree – San Francisco’s Offer – 5 years, $20 million, $16 million guaranteed
Personally, I still think there’s no reason they can’t reach a compromise here. The fact that 6th pick Andre Smith signed for less than Heyward-Bey helps at least a little bit. Honestly, if Crabtree called and asked for more (but still less than Raji and Monroe) I don’t see why the Niner’s could sign him on the spot for oh say, $22 million with $18 million guaranteed.
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
Actually we don't really know what amount is on the table right now.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
A bit misleading about Andre Smith...
who is still getting more guaranteed money per year than DHB.
I agree with your point though – I believe the 49ers are willing to negotiate within a reasonable range, just not beyond what #8 and #9 signed for.
I agree… they should up the offer just a bit to show good faith and get the guy in. At this point, both parties are making bad decisions. The Niners are holding out more money out of spite, and Crabs is waiting on something that isn’t coming. Him sitting out is a ridiculous move, because he’ll lose on year of his career – a career that is already too short in the NFL. Whatever more money he makes (3M / 4M?) he could make on the back end of his career by having gotten to free agency sooner… the move, numbers wise, to hold out – just makes NO SENSE.
One thing's for sure, Crabtree's agent is doing a great job
Think about it objectively for a minute. If you were Crabtree’s agent and you were trying to get him more money, wouldn’t you want the rumors to be flying and the speculation to be rampant?
Deion was lying out his arse. Did anyone else notice how ‘scripted’ he looked on the NFL Network interview?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-preseason/09000d5d81263600/Where-s-Crabtree
C’mon people! You’d think there’d be at least one skeptic out there that saw that ‘great acting’ performance for what it really was—-an acting job for a friend that landed you a whole lotta dough not too many years ago.
It’s all smoke and mirrors. Crabtree’s agent is just trying to get his client the best offer on the table he can before the Sunday deadline and he’s pulling out all the stops. Wouldn’t you want your agent to do the same?
In the end it may not work but it sure has caused a stir. Just look at these posts!
Dwight, Jerry: Crabtree is clutch
The first thing that comes to mind when watching that video...
what the hell is up with that tie? The shirt is bad enough, but the tie?!
The next thing – he’s pimping HARD for Parker. So much for any journalistic integrity, or even hiding the fact that you’ve got an obvious agenda. I guess he isn’t bright enough to put his agenda out there without making it obvious that he’s a shill.
Te tie was a gift from Jamie Dukes
Even if he was acting, the 49ers don’t give a load.
They’re not going to change the contract and I don’t see how Deion lying on TV affects the 49ers.
It pissed off the fans but the 49ers know all of the facts.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 9, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
That much is obvious
And that’s why I still see Crabs signing.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 10, 2009 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions
support
I’d love to believe that but it reads as pure speculation. At the same time, it’s an easy rumor to spread and claim they were right on it if it happens.
by David Fucillo on Sep 10, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
con
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 10, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Crabtree is over hyped.
ok i am not a big college guy, i dont watch much college ball and study about the draft class but i went back and looked at Crabtree’s highlights on youtube and if left me wondering what’s all the hype about?? maybe it was just a couple bad reels or something but i seen nothing that said to me the next T.O. or anything close to that, i seen a bunch of 15 yard dump screens were he out ran everyone, i seen him break one tackle and didnt see one circus catch, he just looked solid.. but when you go to the NFL speed steps up and I didn’t see anything that showed he had any advantage against a NFL defense.. its just me, i could be wrong but this guy’s ego seems just a tad inflated.
J GO
I wrote an entire post on that before the draft . . .Upon Further Review – Michael Crabtree Not an Elite Prospect.
I’m also not a big college football fan and watched the tape to see what he could in the NFL, I had the same thoughts.
Trade his rights on March 1, 2010 to Denver for Marshall. At least we get a guy who’s proven himself in the NFL. At this point that’s worth more than all of Crab’s “potential”.
Marshall is supposedly (finally) talking about a new deal with the Broncos
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 10, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
This article is funny but true in the fact that you can’t hate on San Francisco, unless your Crabtree.
Am I really the first person to notice the title of this thread?
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
wow
what took you so long, we all knew, just waiting for you to figure it out!
lol
that is amazing how you’re the 1st to point it out…..good eyes
by sundaysfinest on Sep 11, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
weird
I didn’t even notice it. Crazy. Just corrected it.
Love the graphic.
by David Fucillo on Sep 11, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm, I did notice it, but I figured someone else already mentioned it lol
by Badly Browned on Sep 11, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
I noticed it a long time ago and I don’t have any idea why I never said anything
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do it crabtree
seymour is going to report to the raiders and play on monday.
it’s time for you micheal crabtree to do the same. i’m sure you are itching to get your feet wet in the NFL.
Gametime is almost here.
Nah
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 12, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Crabtree the human beaver taint
Will not sign
AKA.............Optimist Prime
Banned in 13 comments from the Gulls and I am proud!!
wtf does that even mean?
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
It's the area between a beavers reproductive organ and his culu
A dirty nasty area on the beavers body. In essence he’s below an (site decorum)hole and below a D!@% at the same time.
AKA.............Optimist Prime
Banned in 13 comments from the Gulls and I am proud!!
How in the hell...
…can he expect to wait until next years draft to make more money!?! With just the quarterback talent alone in next years draft, there is no way he is going to be ‘slotted’ higher than tenth, therefore he won’t be paid more! If sitting out is his strategy, all I can do is laugh and be glad that our brass has some balls.
"We'd like to think that tickets will be hard to come by." Bill Walsh
"human beaver taint"
LMAO
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
crab's dislike of sf
at first i thought he hated frisco because he’s a cowgirls fan. then i read that he’s interested in playing in cities other than texas towns. what if crab’s refusal to play in frisco is because he dislikes homosexuals and the gay culture that is fostered in frisco? is that a legitimate beef or no? lol
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
He’s refusing to play in San Francisco because he doesn’t feel the contract has enough money in it.
That’s it.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
um
this article is insinuating that it’s about more than just the money
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
by redrum21225 on Sep 13, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Trying to read his mind
Is pointless. Especially since he never speaks about his holdout to the media. That allows everything to be a filtered assumption from cousins, Deion or his agent.
Also, if he has hatred for any type of diversity within the culture he must plan on never playing in New York. Chicago, Miami and host of other places. Perhaps then he should return to Lubbock
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
You do know Lubbock is a college town, Right?
Is this diverse enough for you?
What color is Crabtree?
Don’t let your bigotry get the best of you.
Crabtree WTF?
Yes I know, which was the point
And diversity is more than color. White and black together is a norm most places, not an accomplishment. That he chose to play there makes it an acceptable place to him whereas I was responding to a poster stating he may have problems with SF culture. Perhaps you should get the chip of your shoulder and stop seeing bigotry where there is none.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Also, if he has hatred for any type of diversity within the culture he must plan on never playing in New York, Chicago, Miami and host of other places. Perhaps then he should return to Lubbock.
You point was that Lubbock isn’t as diverse as a host of other places. And you make that assumption based on what? That Lubbock is in Texas? Well then, it can’t be diverse at all, can it? After all, we all know Texas is filled with backward bible-thumping rednecks that just barely tolerate blacks and certainly do not tolerate homosexuals, right?
Maybe you shouldn’t be so close-minded (bigoted)…
Crabtree WTF?
Well, it's not as diverse as those places
Most places can’t be just based on population numbers. Nothing wrong with that. Again, the original poster asked “what if he dislikes.” If that were the true reason that would mean where he already chose to play college ball is less diverse than here.
Again, let go of the chip on your shoulder. No one was slighting Lubbock.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Sometimes I wonder who you're debating with.
You’ve got a habit of making up imaginary arguments and projecting them onto other people so that you may take the high road against their (your) ignorant points.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
I'm not talking about me.
In fact, I usually agree with the base of most of your arguments. I’ve just seen a lot of your debates with other members turn into these projected falsehoods.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
You misunderstand what other people say
“failure to communicate”
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 16, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
i get your point spurred on
maybe that’s EXACTLY why he wants to play in texas. crabs sounds like a homophobic black redneck. i’m not mad at him for that though. i’m just mad that he dislikes gays but is a fan of the gayest franchise in the nfl. the cowdivas.
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
ok so since everyone including espn says he will sit out the season… what the hell do we do? i mean we lost out on a draft pick we save money, but if that money that would have been used on that draft pick isn’t allocated to another player that can help us win. what good do we really get out of this… and with TO and jj stokes and crabs, can we please just stop drafting WR in the first round that look like they will be trouble or just plain suck. sorry just rambled its late and im annoyed.
i just feel like this year we wasted time and potential talent on chance. marvel smith and crabs and keeping alex, frustrating. glad we won today though!
Don't have to do anything
Just wait for Brandon Jones to get healthy.
You saw today that we don’t really need a big time WR.
Vernon Davis fits well into the whole “playmaker” role.
I came to terms with this a little over 2 weeks ago, I suggest you move on too.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 13, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
oh i’m with you i was already looking at the FA list of WR next year to replace bruce if we don’t pick one up in the draft. i’m ok with him sitting out so we can spend that money else where.
by whitemike1644 on Sep 14, 2009 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions
We are in desperate need of offensive play makers
How else does a mediocre QB become a threat, he needs weapons.
With Crabs,Morgan, Jones, and Davis along with Bruce we’d have weapons and Gore won’t see 9 in the box!
AKA.............Optimist Prime
Banned in 13 comments from the Gulls and I am proud!!
Dude, let it go
It’s not going to happen.
Just worry about the guys that are on the team, the Crabtree situation is out of control.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 14, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
What I'd like
Is for Crabtree to hold a press conference stating that if his demand for $X amount of money is not met he will sit out and return to the 2010 draft. Then we can have this on record, stop the speculation, say no thank you and move on.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Agree
cosign with you, I am getting sick of the rumor mongers.
I´d like to see that too....
but I don’t think that will ever happen. For now Crabtree can contend that the 9ers are the ones being unreasonable. But as soon as he puts his ridiculous demands on the table in public, he looses even more cred and respect. Sucks that we wasted a first round pick, but everyone should remember JJ Stokes……….1st round WR’s (even can’t miss WR’s) are risky, the last thing we need is to guarantee a boat load of $ to a guy who has, in my opinion, a huge possibility of being a bust. Deion says he needs to get his guaranteed money, I disagree, if he is good then he’ll get the big paycheck in free agency (which he is now putting off for another year) and if he sucks, then why in the heck did he deserve the big contract in the first place. This seems to point to a guy who KNOWS he won’t be getting the big free agent check so he is trying to get paid NOW! Watch out!
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by Humboldt2Torreon on Sep 14, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
Deion’s logic was illogical but then he’s trying to get his friend paid. And none of his friends on NFLN are going to call him out. Your point about JJ Stokes is quite good; I hate losing a first round draft choice. I hate even worse having the guy who turns out to be not very bright and a bust while we’re still on the hook for his salary. If Crabs is this delusional and/or so easily influenced by his advisers, I really do not want him. I’ll take a wasted pick that cost nothing financially and earns some future negotiating cred that the front office is not dealing with B.S.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I think it's pretty clear at this point that Crabtree has zero interest in making a public statement of any kind.
It’s unlikely that he could say anything that the media wouldn’t use against him in some way, since villainizing Crabtree has become a very popular trend nation-wide, so he really has nothing to gain by talking.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
We probably have to trade him for an established player, a series of lower picks or a high pick in 2011. It would be difficult to sign 3 1st round rookies in one salary cap year.
He still has 9 weeks to come to his senses cause his money isn’t going to be there in 2010.
Assuming this is all about money...
How does it make sense for a team to trade for him. That team would have to pay him more than what we were willing to pay, which would mean that a player successfully circumvented the draft slotting system. It would mean years of headaches to come. This would give agents a big stick in the negotiating room. I could see it now: “We don’t want to sit out the year but we are completely prepared to do so if our contract demands are not met.” However, if the new CBA were to address the up-side-down rookie pay scale, than that might give teams a window of opportunity to pay more than us, because a player may not be able to do it again. Unless this has more to do with who drafted him, than how much we are willing to pay the guy, I don’t see how a team would be willing to give every agent in the biz such a sharp weapon.
by SanFranSoldier on Sep 15, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
You still want a team to take that chance so the 49ers don’t walk away empty handed. I doubt it will set a trend in the NFL. Crabtree would still lose a year’s worth of salary and if he doesn’t shine no team will take that chance again. If anything he’s made it harder for WR to get drafted in the 1st round. After this diva act . . . all teams might relegate WR picks to the 2nd round like they did in the 2008 draft.
Well you definitely have to try....
But It’s not so much setting the trend as it is giving agents and diva’s ammunition. If a team needs a wideout and there is one on the board they will take him a good percentage of the time, so I can’t see this relegating wideouts to the late first early second round. Additionally, not all wideouts have this attitude. Sure, it seems like more do than other positions, but they are still the exception to the rule. If this works out well for Crabtree, and it works out well for whatever team snatches him, and the 9ers get shafted than I guarantee there will be some broken furniture in GM offices around the leauge after the deal goes down. And you can’t tell me that agents for QB’s, RB’s and LT’s won’t take notice. Just by making that trade, the team that deals for him loses some of the same kind of leverage that we would if we caved to Crabtree’s demands. If you overpay once for unproven talent you will do it again. You have to try, but I don’t see it happening unless Crabtree gets nervous about his draft slot, and decides the money being offered is more than what he will get in the draft.
by SanFranSoldier on Sep 15, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m getting more and more ready to eat crow on this one.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2009 8:25 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
oh man i have to see this
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
Well, I mean, not literally.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Let me know when it happens
I want to be there to laugh and say I told you so.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 14, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I blame Deion
Why didn’t we re-sign him again? Was it really cuz him and Jerry got into a pissing match (as wiki suggests)?
This franchise has fallen apart since Deion left…goddamn Marquez Pope getting torched by Freeman and Brooks left and right, ARGH.
Fallen apart since Deion left?
No, no. Niners had the #1 ranked defense in the league the year after Deion. Niners and Cowboys have won the same number of playoff games since Deion departed by choice (4). SF had a 2-1 record vs Deion’s Cowboys. Deion left, at least in part, because he needed to be the alpha attention whore and Irvin was (and still is, just watch NFL Network) willing to make him feel special and play into the whole “Prime” image. And Jerry Jones was willing to overpay to pry him away from a rival. I believe Carmen stayed in the bidding war beyond what we’d pay just to drive up the price and further impact the Dallas salary cap.
Our franchise fell apart short-term when Lawrence Phillips didn’t pick up the blitzing Aeneas Williams. It fell apart long-term a few years later when John York and Terry Donahue began making all the decisions. That it appears to be turning around is due in part to the elder York ridding the team of Donahue and the removing himself from a decision making role
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Hm...
“Adam_Schefter: For what it’s worth (and it might be a lot to a certain WR): Sporting News’ 2010 mock draft had Crabtree going 19th overall – 4th WR chosen.”
That's what I'd like to know
But I think the more important question is: what have the 49ers offered?
Crabtree WTF?
Crabtree, the 10th overall pick in April’s draft who turned 22 on Monday, hasn’t accepted the 49ers’ offer for approximately five years and $20 million with a reported $16 million guaranteed—instead seeking money comparable to the higher picks.
by whitemike1644 on Sep 15, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
none of us have any reason to believe the 49ers
aren’t offering him fair money
It was Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazin that s*** up everyday.
if we are offering $16mil guaranteed and DHB got $23mil.
what would you call it if he wants more money?
so we give him $20mil, i would still call that DHB money because he is the highest player in this draft?
by whitemike1644 on Sep 15, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
to update some of you.
info on the original offer:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-49ers-crabtree&prov=ap&type=lgns
most recent info:
sorry i don’t know why that second link won’t work but go to the yahoo sports nfl homepage and click on rumors and the link is there that we are reducing the amount of our original offer.
by whitemike1644 on Sep 15, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
from the yahoo page that won't link...
Crabtree offer reduced by 49ers
By Mark Miller
"Michael Michael Crabtree (notes), the tenth overall pick in the NFL draft this summer by the San Francisco 49ers, isn’t having the kind of autumn he envisioned, one imagines.
You figure that the wide receiver once dreamed of actually making some incredible catches in his first year in the league. But instead he’s still sitting around in a contract holdout, which appears to be costing him his reputation and a whole lot of money.
The San Francisco 49ers have apparently reduced their offer to Crabtree, according to Yahoo! Sports’ Michael Silver, and the team may keep reducing it each week that he doesn’t play. The initial reduction is reportedly for $200,000.
The 49ers are apparently willing to pay Crabtree up to one dollar less than what the No. 9 pick, Green Bay Packers defensive tackle B.J. Raji(notes), who supposedly got a five-year deal for $28.5 million with almost $18 million guaranteed. But Crabtree supposedly wants more than that and is willing to sit out the season for it.
Niners head coach Mike Singletary admitted that offering pay reduction to Crabtree had been discussed but wasn’t sure if the deed had actually been done, according to the San Jose Mercury News: “At this time in the year, that may be the case. I’m not sure,” Singletary told the paper. “I didn’t want to hear about it any more after last Friday. I said, ‘Hey, do what you have to do. I’m focused over here.’”
Enjoy the games on TV, Michael.
by whitemike1644 on Sep 15, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
now this
49ers co-owner Jed York has offered to meet face-to-face with unsigned first-round pick Michael Crabtree, but hasn’t had his phone calls returned by Crabtree’s agent, Eugene Parker.
The Niners are willing, but Parker and Crabtree don’t appear to be yet. At least it’s a development; the sides have had little to no dialogue since the start of training camp 50 days ago. It’s up to Crabtree whether he wants to play.
Source: Santa Rosa Press Democrat
by whitemike1644 on Sep 15, 2009 9:31 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Steve Young on ESPN...
Young just weighed in on the Michael Crabtree situation. He thinks that the 49ers gained the leverage in negotiations by beating the Cards. Personally I think they already had the leverage and that just added to it. The most interesting part of the piece: Young says he has to sign, there are just too many complications involved with sitting out the season. He seemed pretty convinced that Crabtree will sign. I can’t believe that Parker sees value in sitting out the season. He is not a stupid man.
I dont know if it is what I ate for dinner last night or what, but I have a renewed faith that Crabtree will sign. For some reason, I am not as mad at Crabtree either. I just want this song and dance to end, and I want him to get in here and start his Niner career. I was ready to write this guy off, and move on to next year. We don’t need Crabtree, but we should still want him. For a a couple weeks there I didn’t. Now I just want this to be over.
by SanFranSoldier on Sep 16, 2009 12:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I can’t believe that Parker sees value in sitting out the season.
Parker works for Crabtree.
Crabtree is holding out because of Crabtree
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 16, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
True
But Crabtree is a 22yr old young man just removed from college, who doesn’t have the legal knowledge to negotiate an NFL contract, that stuff is way over his head. NFL analyst Michael Smith said on ESPN First Take that to his understanding Crabtree has one of the best contracts of the first contracts. Now if Crabtree thinks he’s being lowballed and the contract isn’t, Parker is the one to plant that seed in Crabtree’s head. I worked in the entertainment for 9 years and trust when I tell you that sports agents aren’t that much different from agents in other areas, they are all SHADY.
by GeeMunster on Sep 16, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
sorry
Sorry for the typos, I was typing to fast lol.
Eh
It doesn’t seem like a smart road for Parker.
He is screwing himself for years to come since players that he represents will be considered “difficult”, also he will lose money if Crabtree doesn’t sign.
I’m currently waiting for Parker to throw Crabtree under the bus, since it’s the only way to save face.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 16, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
That is true...
but part of being an agent is advising your client on the best course of action and, explaining the pro’s and con’s of every potential negotiation tactic they might use. Think about it, if Crabtree sits out the season, re-enters the draft and gets picked later, Eugene Parker loses money. As it stands, he is almost working for free (he gets a percentage of M Crabs endorsement deals) If this was all Crabtree’s idea, and Parker didn’t think he was being listened to, he would quit as Crabtree’s agent. Who would put in a year of work, for almost nothing, just so that he could lose money. This is one reason why I think Crabtree will sign. If Parker thought he was serious about sitting out the season, he would drop Crabtree like a boeing-bomb at 30,000 feet. Unless there is some back room dealing going on, I just can’t see Parker sticking around.
Unless there is some back room dealing going on
That’s the key point here.
No agent or player would ever sit out a season and re-enter the following draft in the NFL.
Analysts believe that these guys have some sort of safety net for next year…..and if they do then tampering must have been involved.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Sep 16, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
SanFranSoldier
Exactly, Parker is NOT obligated to continue representing Crabtree. Parker is the reason Crabtree is holding out in the first place, he obviously thought the Niner’s would cave and they didn’t.
by GeeMunster on Sep 16, 2009 5:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Doubt it
If Parker drops Crabtree because he thinks he’s an idiot and that somehow shocks Crabtree into reality, then Parker gets zilch. These guys work for the players, and I have no doubt Crabtree has dozens of hangers on telling him how he’s great and deserves big money, nevermind his own ego.
By the way, if Crabtree sits out the season, how does he go 19th in a mock draft? I don’t buy it. This guy will have the headcase tag of all headcase tags on him, he won’t have played for two years and it’s a deep draft for WRs. He could be a 3rd or 4th round pick.
by Bitter Fan on Sep 17, 2009 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've heard a few so called experts
on TV etc say that he would be likely a low first round pick, sorry no linkage
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Sep 17, 2009 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I heard
From Mel kiper that he would still go top 10 on espn when he was arguing with mcshay. Wow! Kiper I see your super rogain wig hair isn’t the only thing that needs work on. I agree with mcshay totally he would go late first if even that because all of his baggage i.e money issues, diva issues, durability issues, tampering issues. Like I am saying all along crabtree your best bet is going to be signing with the 49ers or ruining ur career
by 49ersAllTheWay on Sep 17, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions
It's about weighing your options...
Sure he loses out on his cut of Crabtree’s reduced contract, but how much does he lose by looking like a crappy agent? A lot more, I think. Practically everybody agree’s it would be ridiculously foolish to sit out the year and re-enter the draft, do you think Parker really thinks that is a good idea. If this is Crabtree’s doing Parker would say adios, and tell people next year “he hired me to do a job, and then wouldn’t let me do it.” Parker is a successful agent, It is not as if he suddenly went stupid.
by SanFranSoldier on Sep 17, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Crabtree re-entering the draft
Even if a team likes Crabtree, based on this fiasco if they don’t have a Top 7 pick they will probably conclude they cannot sign him.
CRAP-TREE HAS SHAT HIS OWN NEST!
I mean really, why are we talking about this idiot? He has an agent that is one of the worst negotiators in the league. He doesn’t make counter proposals, he issues EDICTS! The Kid might be good some day somewhere down the road, but not with the Niners. Singletary has his locker room right where he wants it. Working hard and believing in themselves and the system. WHY ON EARTH would you bring in a Prima Donna like Craptree to mess that up? He is just now getting these guys to believe in themselves, and they are buying into his system! I think that at this point, the Niner’s should take the offer off the table if he doesn’t sign by next Saturday, and cut their losses.
And that is another thing that drives me nutz! What are the Niner’s actual losses in all of this? Sure they could have picked up an offensive lineman or a pass rusher at that spot. But look at all they DID save. 1) They freed up 16Mil that this Prema Donna is being promised. That money can be used next year to sign proven free agent OL or D Linemen who are proven and healthy. They could probably get a Pass rusher, another Offensive Lineman, AND a very good receiver for 16 MILLION in free agency next year. Especially if the Niners are looked at as a team on the rise! 2) They have identified that Crap-Tree and his entourage are not a problem worth bringing on. They are a bunch of meatheads. Not signing this guy would be a great thing, just to keep the entourage element away from the team. 3) Next years draft is looking to have at the minimum of 3 WR’s that are BETTER than CrapTree. He is going to get re-drafted anywhere from 25 to 3rd round. He will lose a boatload of money because he and his agent thought they could strong arm the Niners front office. That backfired didn’t it? Well, we have TWO first rounders next draft! I think we can find what we need with TWO first rounders. We maybe even be able to trade Craptree to another team (anyone but the Cowgirls) and get an additional 2nd or 3rd rounder.
All in all, I believe the Niner’s front office bargained in good faith and offered a more than fair offer. If Craptree isn’t willing to sign it and have his family set for life, then he is not so bright after all. Sitting out till next draft is like a -500 on the Wonderlick test!
One last parting shot. IF a team DOES waste a 1st rounder on Craptree, and that team happened to be ANYWHERE NEAR TEXAS, the Commissioner MUST investigate the entire disaster! If tampering IS involved, and the CowGirls are probably guilty (but proving it will be tough), then we will get some of THEIR draft picks as well! I would bet 1000.00 that Jerry Jones promised this kid better money on a 2nd round pick to avoid the slotting system. If it is TRUE, the league is gonna find out. And I hope they force Jerry Jones out of the league if it is! No team in their right mind would waste even a 3rd round pick on this guy given his track record and obvious DIVA mentality. If they do, they have an ACE up their sleeve. They have tampered and that is a big NO NO to Roger Goodell. MORE Draft picks for US! So we wait the punk out and we will be rewarded for not signing this PUNK in the end !!
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
Bounty Pot on Parker Right Here
Jed York has offered to meet face-to-face with unsigned first-round pick Michael Crabtree, but hasn’t had his phone calls returned by Crabtree’s agent, Eugene Parker.
Ok, that’s it. Enough is enough.
Has anyone started a bounty pot for a hit on Parker yet?
If not, I’ll start it by committing to $200 for now. If the hitman is good, I can always add more.
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
I'm poor right now, but heck, actuaully just chalk my contribution up to an even $500
"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds
LOL
We don’t need a Hitman, we need a bounty hunter!! But seriously, I am concerned with the team playing tomorrow, not some yahoo who cant seem to make a decision when the question is Rich or Poor. Seems easy for me. If I was Craptree, I’d take the money, and ask for a 3 year contract. That way, If I was the greatest receiver in the last 10 years and was making the pro bowl and really putting up great numbers, I could get my money on the free agency market. This holding out stuff will stay with him for the rest of his career. No team will be willing to take a chance that this guy is a T.O. or WORSE. Actually, T.O. signed pretty early in the process compared to Mr. Craptree. I’d take T.O. over Craptree right now. At least you know T.O. wants to win and can PLAY in the NFL! We know NOTHING about Mr. Craptree other than he put up gaudy numbers in a run and shoot style offense that would make any receiver look prolific. We don’t know if he’s healthy, we dont know if he’s stable, and we don’t know if he is stubborn or doesn’t want to play in San Francisco. A town known for some pretty good receivers over the years. Maybe Hill isnt Joe Montana, but if he is as good a receiver as he thinks he is then he would get a lot of receptions. If he had gotten into camp and gone thru the beast of a training camp with his fellow teammates, he might have been a factor this year.
Now if he signs, he’ll be an outsider for at least the remainder of the year, and will NOT be a factor. His value THIS year is ZERO. Maybe as a decoy?? But that is about it. So now we are talking about his value NEXT year. There will be plenty of good receivers in next years draft, and if the Panthers have a crappy year, we might have a high pick (I don’t think the Niner’s are gonna have a crappy year). Look at it as if Coffee was our #1 pick, and say goodbye to CRAPTREE. Save the money to sign FA OLine or DLine, or perhaps even a FA Receiver. You can spread 16 MIL guaranteed over 2 or 3 free agents. That is what the Niners need to do. Just shut Craptree out and use the money to build the team with players who WANT to play in San FRAN! We don’t need a blatant Headcase DIVA in the locker room anyway. Coach Sing has a solid group and “We Want Winners!” Let the punk find his way someplace else. No loss to us if he goes someplace else. We get free agents with the money and players that want to play here. I say cut the Craptree out of picture. The Niners will do just fine without him. Even if he becomes an allpro, he already has proven to be a headcase, egomaniac, stubborn and foolish child. NO THANKS!! GO NINERS !!!
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
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