Jimmy Raye Approval Rating: Looking back at 2009
With the season now a couple weeks in the rear view mirror, I'd imagine folks have had enough time to reflect and re-assess their opinions on offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye. Most likely remain the same, but it's possible some people have changed their tune in either direction. And seeing as we haven't seen much Jimmy Raye vitriol lately, now seemed as good a time as any to put together an end of season approval rating for the entire season. How you feel about Jimmy Raye's performance over the course of the season.
Asking a yes or no question is tough because things are not nearly this black and white. One reader suggested a scale of 1-10 and I think that's an excellent way to see where people's opinions fall on the spectrum. In determining your number, there is plenty to consider, and I'd imagine everybody will consider things differently. For example, as I figure out my rating, a positive would include his willingness to adjust the offense as the season went along, particularly when Alex Smith took the helm. At the same time, a negative would be his inexplicable play-calling that involved a Michael Robinson or Arnaz Battle play at the most bizarre time.
I'm not going to give the man a 10, and I'm not going to give him a 1. I'd bet good money there are plenty of folks who will give him a 1 (not so much on the 10 side) and I could certainly see reasons for it. I think part of it depends on how much you think the offense grew or regressed over the course of the season. Although next year remains a mystery, the potential going forward did still somewhat influence my own opinion.
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I voted an average five.
The thing that bugged me about Raye was the game didn’t seem to understand itself. The offense didn’t know what it was and there was just so many stupid calls. Also what bugged me is he was relentless in the worst way. He’d try the same screen ten times in one half just so once he can break it, get a first down, and then punt it. We don’t want ten drives of mediocrity just to pick up a first down.
The thing that made me sick was when a play worked, he would run two plays and then go back to the one that worked and change absolutely nothing, I remember my brother commenting during a game “I wonder if he actually has a playbook or if he’s up there with a coloring book?” I think he just called random crap and then when one of them worked he was like “Oh oh! Do that one again! :D:D:D:D”
It’s frustrating, is all, but I think he can do well with continuity. I’m willing to pass him for now.
I chose water over wine... Jars of formaldehyde... think of all the things I missed... Why'd you make me a scientist?
Yeah, it was eay to lose my voice at the games for all the wrong reasons when Raye was calling the plays.
Exactly. Raye was just.. ugh sometimes. He gets a five and no more lol.
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by James Brady on Jan 13, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
I-Form - HB Power O, Singleback - Doubles - TE Post - Touchdown.

2 ez.
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by James Brady on Jan 13, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
7
Begining of the year he was a 5 but he gradually improved throwing in trick plays and such but still some questionable calls. My analysis is to keep him.
by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2010 10:25 AM PST via mobile reply actions
so trick plays give him bonus points? to me it reeks of desperation. just me though
by srill waiting on Jan 13, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
No that smell is me.
I apologize..
I chose water over wine... Jars of formaldehyde... think of all the things I missed... Why'd you make me a scientist?
by James Brady on Jan 13, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
what, cold meds sweat in a blanket???
by srill waiting on Jan 13, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Actually I had Taco Bell last night. :/
I chose water over wine... Jars of formaldehyde... think of all the things I missed... Why'd you make me a scientist?
by James Brady on Jan 13, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
and not the fresco menu i'm guessing.
maybe raye should try that.
by srill waiting on Jan 13, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Not just trick plays
But opening up the playbook instead of the usual stuff
by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2010 11:31 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
5
if we ended up near the middle this made the most sense to me. I tried to keep emotion out of it, i think i did a decent job of that.
I thought about this and felt like it was really 50-50 whether I approved of what he was doing at any given moment
so a 5 seems appropriate. Normally I wouldn’t advocate retaining a 5 coordinator but I think continuity could really elevate the offenses game and while I don’t think anyone around here feels like he’s a long term answer, one or two more years with a groomed, in-house successor would be the best thing for the team
i gave him a 1 and not afraid to say it
its really probably more like a 2 or 3 rating, but the 1 is to make the point that he SHOULD BE FIRED!!! I swear, a year from now, those of you who disagree with me will be as frustrated as i have been with Raye all year. nicholastfarrell@yahoo.com is my e-mail to give it to me straight if i end up being wrong. But we were too poor on third down conversions…given some of that is receivers cutting their routes a yard short or the offensive line just not getting a push for those 3rd and shorts….however, as a fan of the 49ers i post this question to the rest of you….is there a reason to keep the man for 1 even 2 more years?? Do you see the 49ers winning a super bowl with him??? there should be no other goal BUT to win the super bowl. So this whole, “he’s not too bad, and he deserves another shot so smith doesn’t have to have another O coordinator,” is crap. Just go over the last Seattle Seahawks game, and think of ALL the horrible play calls he made. The worst case scenario out of that game should have been OT, but instead we end up punting with like 40 seconds left when we started the series with a little less then 2 minutes to go. He’s not the long term answer and given, its hard to find a long term answer at O coordinator because as soon as you get a good one they leave to be a head coach somewhere…but even so, jimmy raye is not going to take the 49ers offense to the next level. Lets cut our losses and move forward…there is no point teaching alex smith another year of this offensive system when (lets say he is the qb of the future) jimmy raye isn’t going to last more then 2 more years anyway. Every 49er fan knows we need a new Offensive Coordinator, so lets look now…Jimmy raye, in business sense, is a sunk cost. So lets cut our costs and move forward with somebody who knows something about offense, and wasn’t a defensive backs coach for the previous 2 years before this. Jimmy raye isn’t a bad guy or a bad coach, but he’s just not an O coordinator. He has no plan, we never know if we’re going to pass, run, shotgun, out of center, etc…he’s just winging it out there. Which is good for certain situations, but come on…..6 points in the first half against detroit, 0 points in the first half against St. Louis…THE TWO WORST OFFENSES IN THE LEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!! So we scored 28 against a crappy team when their incentive was TO LOSE TO GET THE FIRST OVERALL PICK ANYWAY!!!! The offense aint changing people, those of you who gave him a 4 or 5 yet still think we should keep him strongly reconsider that thought….good man, bad coordinator
Jesus Christ you are quite the stone mason, sir.
You do make some points though.
I chose water over wine... Jars of formaldehyde... think of all the things I missed... Why'd you make me a scientist?
by James Brady on Jan 13, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
That is an impressive block of text.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 13, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Aha.
You should stand up and do comedy at the same time.
I chose water over wine... Jars of formaldehyde... think of all the things I missed... Why'd you make me a scientist?
by James Brady on Jan 13, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not a very good multi-tasker.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 13, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
My friends nicknamed me James.
They are not creative.
I chose water over wine... Jars of formaldehyde... think of all the things I missed... Why'd you make me a scientist?
by James Brady on Jan 13, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
My friends nicknamed me Nemo
Apparently they thought “Noe” was too hard to pronounce….
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 13, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
lol you have no idea mangoman
been holdin in frustrations for Raye for a while…AND STILL EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO THINKS HE SHOULD BE HERE I AM SO GLAD YOU DONT MAKE DECISIONS!!!!!! THE MAN IS A JOKE!! YOU’LL ALL UNDERSTAND BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR….again e-mail is up there if i’m wrong. not afraid to admit it. But i’m pretty d*mn sure about this one
reply fail?
I’m not Mangoman
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 14, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
gah,
you just made me feel like crap for giving him a 5. It does sicken me he’ll be here again and probably my biggest disappointment would be that we let weiss go to KC without a fight.
by srill waiting on Jan 13, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
totally agree,
was frustrated we weren’t at least mentioned in the talks for weiss. He was a good match for Haley’s staff, but come on, where else can we find a O coordinator that isn’t going to be leaving for a head coaching job anytime soon??? At least put up a fight like you said
It might be because Mike Johnson is the heir apparent
I bet we’ll be seeing him get more involved in the coming season and taking over the job when Raye leaves.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I agree but...
My reason for keeping him is not that he is a great OC or that he will get us to the Super Bowl. Its that he keeps it simple and lets out very young players focus on the fundementals of football. This way when we bring in the next Mike Martz or whoever that is creative they will have the basics down pat. Personally even if the 9ers go to the playoffs next year i would still get rid of him after the next season. However, for what the 9ers need right now he fits the bill. That bill being continuity and fundimentals of the game before going to the next level which i hope we will reach next year.
Funny you mention Martz
I’m in no way saying Raye is better than Martz, but Martz made some pretty bad calls too when he was here, i.e., the handoff to Robinson to end the game in AZ.
but just cuz he's old doesn't mean he knows the fundamentals...
i respect your argument, but he has shown me nothing to prove that he knows and understands the fundamentals of offense or how to run an offense. We don’t even use our best player in Gore in half of the games.. its like Raye forgets he’s there
how can you say continuity though...
when you argue we should still get rid of him next season?? that’s not called continuity, that’s called a waste of time
I can see your point
However, i was thinking more along the lines of the players do not have to spend an offseason learning new playbooks and terminoligy and can focus instead on their own work on fundamentals and getting better at the plays they already have. I do think we have a lot of great positions coaches onboard to help them do that. Then when they have spent more time as a team togethor they would be ready for that next step in a different play caller. Its not that i am happy with ray himself i am happy for the continuity he brings and i dont believe he is so bad as to fire him. Thats why i voted 6. Plus Rlott#42 made a convincing down below as well i think.
i agree
good post. 9er fans have some of the lowest standards in the nfl. after 6-7 yrs of losing i can’t even be mad at it anymore.
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
Alex Smith is garbage...
I'm still perplexed...
…what the difference is between scoring four touchdowns in four quarters, as opposed to four touchdowns in one quarter.
Are you serious??
did you even watch the game?? it wasn’t even that they got shut out in the first half more then it was that Raye called the worst first half i have ever seen in terms of play calling. It got so bad even the fox analysts were pointing out how poor and predictable Raye’s play calling got. you think they would have scored 28 in the second half against a decent team?? It’s only because they played a team that only won 1 game all year that they even scored in the 2nd half.. It is extremely sad that they didn’t score in the first half against the RAMS….i can’t believe you even pose that argument.
Yes, I'm serious...
…and you completely missed my point with your angry axe grinding. Again, WTF difference does it make if we score one TD in each quarter as opposed to four TDs in one quarter? You can argue that 28 points against the Rams is inadequate. But 28 points is 28 points, regardless of how they’re distributed over the course of the game.
I think it even says something positive
That they scored 21 of them all in the 4th quarter. Yeah you can say that the Rams laid down, but if you are inclined to say the Niners offense is that bad, don’t you think they would likely not have scored that many points? What it tells me is that at least for once they didn’t play not to lose.
Two:
Because he is too old to change much. If he hasn’t developed an understanding of football strategy and has no idea about what the opposition might be thinking/doing now, he never will.
The 50 yard play action to Gore in the Rams game
was an audible by Alex.
Wasn’t even a true audible—he just told Gore to go out.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
6
Maybe a 6 is a little high, but I wasn’t nearly as down on Raye as most people were. No, I do not think he was “good” by any stretch of the imagination. But he wasn’t terrible.
I think Raye was just trying way too hard to please everyone else this year…especially Singletary. Singletary said at the beginning of the year, and consistantly throughout most of it, that he wanted to be a smash-mouth, running team. So Raye called tons of running plays. And of course it didn’t work. You cannot run on every play and expect to fool anyone. And you can’t run on every play with that offensive line and expect to run over anyone. But its what Sing wanted, so Raye obliged.
Then the fans started calling for more passing plays, and to open up the book a little bit…and so he did. But he went too far in the other direction, and marginalized our best talent, Gore, in favor of a mediocre talent, in Smith. I think the AZ game was a game where I saw some glimmer of hope. The run and the pass seemed to be blended together nicely, and we looked good. The rest of the season was up and down, but we finished 8-8, and finished right around the middle of the pack in PPG. That’s not terrible.
Upgrade the offensive line, and maybe Raye will have the confidence to blend the run and the pass together again in games, and we’ll have an actual, balanced offense. I’m more than willing to give him another year with this offense to see what he can do.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 13, 2010 11:31 AM PST reply actions
a good perspective
It wasn’t a typical 16 game season this year.
-he had to adjust to a philosophical change
-he had to adjust to a QB change
-he had to adjust to a new #1 WR in week 4 (or was it 5…whatever)
-he never really had the talent to win it at the line
and he is kinda old (per cornelius), I don’t see him whoopin the offense into a frenzy ala coach Mike.
I gave him a 4
He had to change the offense halfway through the season and then again near the end of the season.
The two starting OTs were injured, the No.1 WR missed 5 games, Frank Gore was out for a couple of weeks, and there was a QB change (along with an offensive philosophy change).
He didn’t have it easy.
But I’m still not pleased.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
nice curve!
the 1-10 scale is statistically sound.
I gave him a 6
He adjusted the offense based on what we had. He had to deal with a QB change, different wide receivers, and no consistent offensive philosophy. He did get to the point where he was designing some really nice plays, but he didn’t run them often enough.
My biggest criticism is that he would go into the half up by only a few points and then shut down the offense and try and play ball control. You don’t do that until the 4th quarter, not the beginning of the 3rd.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
true-
but do you want to risk the game in the 3rd? a TO changes the game entirely when you have a small lead. the niners have a pretty good defense.
Not good enough to protect a 3 or 4 point lead
I’ve always advocated treating the 3rd quarter like the 1st quarter. Open it up that quarter, put lots of points on the board and then play ball control in the 4t if you’ve got the lead.
The other problem with our offense is that it couldn’t play ball control—at least not ‘til the end of the season. Maybe we’ll have it figured out going into the 2010 season.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
hopefully! ideally we could score while also playing ball control football.
I recall a late 90’s playoff game in which GB took the lead on the niners late in the 3rd, and on their following drive, ran the ball on every single play: scored a TD while chewing tons of clock.
….oh how I wish we could be that kind of team in 2010.
Yeah
He started to go away from the ball control thing in the 2nd half of the Rams game. But it was the last game so go figure!
The consistent offensive philosophy really just has to do with finding identity. The only real semblance of that this season was Frank Gore and a little bit with VD. Other than that there was no way of establishing it confidently with anyone else. I say that because when you look at some of the more successful plays that happened near or at the end of the year, just about all of them involved Frank in some capacity, even though he didn’t touch the ball. The VD touchdown against the Rams happened out of an I formation. The 50+ yard pass to Crabs against Detroit was a play action pass. So really this offense wasn’t all that multi-dimensional. It will be next year!
For the pressures and issues he had to deal with
I’d say it could have been worse (thank God for this defense.) I am in no way content with it, but 8-8 is likely what the average joe expected. It’s definitely better than a losing season, and we know the potential is there to get back to the playoffs next year. For that I gave him a 5. We shouldn’t let our idealistic minds get the better of us. I really don’t think we have much chance at getting anyone much better right now. And yes, there’s a good likelihood that after next season we’ll be looking for another OC, and it will be a barely different situation from the previous five OC’s that were here. But I’m about 60-40 that we won’t have to look far (Mike Johnson) to find the next one. There is very good reason to be optimistic! Anyone who insists on dwelling in gloom, do it somewhere where you can’t be seen or heard! :P
Statistically, slightly better than last year
Raye 2009 Efficiency
-10.6% Off, -9.2% Pass, 1.3% Rush
Martz 2008 Efficiency
-11.3% Off, -8.2% Pass, -2.8% Rush
Norv 2006 Efficiency
-7.5% Off, -5.3% Pass, 1.5% Rush
I gave Raye a positive score for a slight improvement combined with the personnel turnover. The 2nd season will be the one to ultimately judge Raye. Everyone assumes the offense will have more talent next year with the combination of experience, familiarity, maturity and at lease one better player (we assume player x will play offensive line).
I think anyone passing off a 1-2 rating needs to come to gripes that this isn’t a talented offensive unit no matter who is the OC. Norv Turner didn’t do too much better despite having half an offensive line and veteran #1 WR in Antonio Bryant. Statistics disagree with a harsh assessment of Jimmy Raye.
So what do you give him?
I think based on what you’re saying a 6 is reasonable.
7 is a bit too high in my opinion. 5 is too low.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I would give Raye a generous 6..
although I think I screwed up my choice in the poll. I still feel the offense is has a lot of fundamental issues that cause it to be a mish-mash of whatever works given the situation, yet they still only score in the 20 point range. I don’t see it consistent or effective, and I’m not gonna put it all on the talent.
Well, we're waiting....
I notice the mish-mash too
However I blame the GM for that problem. The offensive pieces don’t fit together, any OC for the 49ers is going to have that problem.
Wouldn't that be more on the HC
for not developing a consistent offensive philosophy? If there’s no identity as an offense the GM can’t really draft guys to exploit that.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I have an answer
The guy in charge of compiling these players was also the guy coaching the team for several seasons. This guy was also fired for having no consistent offensive philosophy.
If there was a coach who could hit Alex Smith in the head to make him understand a pro style offense than I am all for hiring him. However, 10 offensive players are designed for a power run, big pass play offense and the QB is only comfortable running the spread.
He gets a 4.
You guys have made every possible point and taking all of them in he deserves a 4. Hopefully this time next year that will be double(I doubt it), I’m optimistic about our offense next year and not expexting any dramatic changes. I just want to see that balance that we had against Arizona…And, if we get Spiller and our offense is stil at the bottom…I don’t even know…
Gave him a 7
but almost voted a 6. If there was a 6.5, I would’ve given him that. I like Raye, but I’m not blind to his faults or at least the downsides of what he did this season.
I officially give Jimmy Raye a 10.
Talk about a season of dysfunction. Yet another new OC for the entire offense (1). Shaun Hill as the starting option, whose passing plays MUST range from 1-15 yards(2). Then you have 1 good lineman(Heitman), 1 above average LT (supposed anchor), 2 Guards that struggled for 7 weeks, and no Right Tackle(3,4,5). Your Best WR is a rookie who held out for a few weeks (6). A quarterback change to an inaccurate QB that has had the worst assitance by the FO (7). Then adjust to the abysmal protection and run blocking, and on top of that you haven’t been an OC for at least 4 seasons (8). You have to fulfill the philosophy of the HC that wants to play field position football (9) and you have to manage to coordinate a successful offense at the highest level of football. Not to mention, adjust accordingly to the defenses you face that outmatch you in the trenches, while trying to implement a NEW offense (10).
Jimmy Raye’s offense in 2009-10 season was not ranked at the bottom of the league despite all of this dysfunction. you can’t run off tackle, your team can’t execute simple blocks and you get a QB hurry from a 3 man rush. Then you have to go to the Raye gun and take away from your best offensive weapon in Gore, but you did at least get GREAT production from a TE that was selected 6th overall and come close to matching Brent Jones (matched IMO) greatest season.
I did not always agree with what Raye would call or how simple his offense was. However, Crabtree had one of the most productive seasons yard wise, fo a WR in YEARS. At best (pre-Crabtree) he had to work with 3 #3 WR’s on the team. It was a process and a grueling one, enough to make a man quit. Raye held up, despite bad coaching (in spurts) by a rookie HC and all of the above mentioned problems. Our ofense should have been 31st (Chiefs suck) and was 29th, it is horrible but considering the dysfunction, I have to give Raye a 10 for not having a heart attack during the season.
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Good Point
OK you convinced me that given the circumstances he did very well. However, are we voting on the results themselves or the effort and tennacity to get them? One for me is a 5 the other i would completly agree with your points that he deserves a 10. I oringinally voted 6 and i think that is still a fair assesment when you wiegh both of those factors. I think that at the least he did well enough that he earned a second year to improve at least.
He doesn't at least get one off for predictability?
and I think that finishing 28th is at the bottom of the league.
and I think running up the middle on first and second down then expecting that same horrible line that got you into 3rd and long to get the first down had a lot to do with his play calling.
Those same plays went for touchdowns when a defense was missing it's starters.
What you would rather Hill or Smith drop back and take a sack? wE GAVE UP 40 SACKS WITH THE DIVE ON 1ST AND 2ND PHILOSOPHY,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,No freaking O-Line
I don't need an Educashun............................................................-W Paige
well good thing you're not making any decisions for the 49ers
you haven’t the slightest….
Really!!
And why do you say that? Are we seriously neglecting the fact that our best weapon V Davis had an all-pro season in Rayes system? Did we not watch Smith only make accurate throws down the middle of the field to Davis? And you wonder why he called it so much. Our offensive line has a good center and 4 questionable supporters that have not played a full season together. It all starts up front and we are the worst in the league up front.
I don't need an Educashun............................................................-W Paige
thats true VD had a great season
but I’m not so sure a great team wants their TE to lead the team in receiving yards, usually your receivers should lead in that category.
Raye handled the WR situation rather strangely. First Bruce is the only guy guarenteed to make the team as a starter. Then, he’s not even good enough to play? Jason Hill, a fine player last year doesn’t see the lineup until the second half of the season?
hm
i’ll give him a 5 considering all the personnel/game plan changes, the identity search on offense, and the lack of a real qb.
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
Alex Smith is garbage...
6
players execution kept it from being higher. say what you want bout his play calling but it gave us a chance to win. whether it was back & forth(titians, vikings, kinda philly) or halftime adjustments(packers & texans), he gave us a chance to win. lets be truthful without chemistry & continuity the players execution was BAD. even though we lost alot of games, as much as it was wtf play calling, it was also passes being OVER or UNDER thrown, DROPPED passes(whether it was for first downs or TDs), FUMBLING or the f..king REFS. if i remember right for all you martz fans, raye scored more points this year then martz did last year. i’m not saying he’s the sh!+ but i hope now that we have continuity, chemistry & experience this will help with the execution which will make his play calling look better. GO NINERS!!!! in 2010 & beyond.
go niners!!! airday allday
don't compare to raye to martz
because i don’t know anybody who was thought mike martz was a good coordinator for the 49ers.
you may not have
but the way we were trying out the shotgun, alot of people thought martz would have done a better job & we should have kept him
go niners!!! airday allday
by calinig4life on Jan 14, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
I gave him a 6...
…because he showed an ability to adjust to the (relative) strengths of our personnel.

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