Football Outsiders Stat of the Day: Blame the play-calling or the checkdown?
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Since the end of the season, Football Outsiders has been putting together a feature they call Stat of the Day. They have compiled a whole host of information over the course of the season, some of which may never be used. So, for every weekday until the Super Bowl, they'll be revealing a stat of the day.
In doing this, FO has shown some interesting numbers about some of our favorite 49ers. Over the coming weeks we'll take a look at some of them, but I wanted to start today with a quick look at a negative statistic that can definitely be applied to a variety of discussions we've had here.
Alex Smith
On January 15, FO ran an interesting stat of the day titled Failed Completions. For those that don't know, FO puts together measurements for "successful plays." When it comes to passes, a successful play is one that gets 45 percent of needed yards on first down, 60 percent on second down, or 100 percent on third/fourth down.
FO put together a list of most failed completions and highest rate of failed completions with a minimum of 100 completions. Alex Smith was lucky enough to appear in the rate category (not enough playing time to get in the total category), finishing third behind Trent Edwards and Jamarcus Russell. Running a close fourth was Ryan Fitzpatrick. Smith finished with a failed completion rate of 34.7%. So, almost 35% of the time, his completions were "failures."
The 49ers offense seemed to find themselves quite often in less than ideal situations throughout games. They'd struggle to gain early yards, and then found themselves in 2nd and 3rd and long with a passing game that was all over the place. This statistic has me wondering whether it's the play-calling, or too much checking down by Alex Smith. Was Jimmy Raye getting a bit too conservative at times, or was Alex Smith afraid to make the bigger pass?
I find that question a bit odd because Alex Smith could be all over the place on his passing in a given game. There would be times he would check down to Gore or a tight end every other play, followed by a stretch where he'd try and thread the needle with a dart down the field. Is it just a question of in-game decision-making by Smith? Whatever the case may be, this statistic would seem to reinforce many pre-existing opinions about Smith's abilities in the passing game.
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There are three reasons
-The line doesn’t block long enough for many of the long plays to even open up
-Even when they do, the receivers rarely get separation
-And Alex is afraid to stick balls into small space many times because he will be blamed for an int. This is mostly his fault for throwing a lot of bad passes his first couple seasons, but it can also be blamed on a “A TURNOVER IS THE END OF THE WORLLDDDDD” coaching mentality for 5 years, as well as his consistent habit of putting balls high, resulting in tips for interceptions.
From games later in the season it was frustrating watching Crabtree starting to come into his own in patterns, often making breaks wide open 10 to 15 yards downfield, but the ball was already out because Smith was on a 2-3 second clock.
by whistlingmountain on Jan 23, 2010 8:10 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
should also be noted
Hill did this a lot as well.So, I do wonder if it’s part of the coaching game-plan to throw safe short passes and expect the “play makers” to make plays.
by whistlingmountain on Jan 23, 2010 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed
Had Smith had the time needed he probably wouldn’t have had to check down as much. Although play calling has to be at fault too. How many times did we, as 49ers fans, scream: “what the (site decorum) kind of play call is that?!?!?!?!” during the course of the season? Horribly called (or setup) screens probably had plenty to do with this stat.
by return2greatness on Jan 23, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't put too much stock in people screaming bad play calling.
We play field position with a lead, we will take any lead and play field position. Not what people want, but it is what is neccessary with an inconsitent QB and unproven WR’s. Let’s not scream about the OL as well, especially since majority of us “fans” loved the Crabtree pick. We have to take the good with the bad sometimes. How the hell could Raye open his playbook and the only pass his QB makes accurately is down the center of the field, which is easy to defend.
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Don't get me wrong...
I LOVED the Crabtree pick but that doesn’t give our OL a free pass. My argument is that if given ample time in the pocket (4-5 seconds) Smith could really take control of the offense. If the WR’s are able to complete their routes and create separation, Alex can hit them. The reason he was good on the deep ball down the middle is because VD was consistently open. I know you’re not saying he didn’t have ANY other good throw’s all year are you?
by return2greatness on Jan 23, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
2010 man just wait. Our O line will be able to block people
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Jan 23, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
This is good for debate of Raye's offense and our lack of Wr's
We have inexperienced route runners, and an inaccurate QB. How can he be confident to make throws that he usually missed. Later on in the season, protection was better, Smith was making passes and was standing upright with no pressure, and missing targets. I hope Smith improves, I really do, but these stats show why his completion percentage is misleading.
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Don’t recall
many passes of Smith standing vertical after a three second wait before passing.
Do recall many passes with Smith flat on his back after a three second or less wait before passing.
Don't which games you were able to watch, I seen it myself.
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Do Recall
Smith missing high and potentially getting his WRs killed in the middle of the field.
Smith missing recievers that were clearly open.
Smith throwing open recievers balls the ended up just out of bounds.
Smith missing wide open recievers at the very same second that he threw to recievers three feet beyond the line of scimmage with two LBs honing in on his receiver.
Smith looking straight at the guy he wants to throw to until the safety catches up to the play.
Crabtree and Davis and Morgan waving their hands wide open while Smith is looking for an outlet reciever.
The guy needs an Oline. OK! He does!
But so did a lot of other QBs this year: Brady, Rivers, Warner, Hassleback, Vince Young, Cutler, and many others.
WHY was Smith the worst of all the QBs who need a better Oline?
Guys with accuracy problems, and who can’t see plays developing, and who look down their receivers before throwing the ball, then throwing the ball too high, or behind the WR, don’t tend to get that much better with a better Oline, or with time. Just like great QBs like Brady and Rivers don’t completely fall apart when their Oline is weak in a given year. They may not be as good as they were, but they are still good. Still accurate. Still know to throw across the first down marker on third downs! Still don’t look at the reciever they are about to throw to. Still complete long passes a few times a game that changes the game on the spot, still know how to take command of a game a lot of the time, still are leaders, still battle and still find ways to win some games their team is about to lose.
Alex Smith, God love him, is a REALLY nice kid, but there are not things I see changing in the fiuture. THAT’S WHY I want the Niners to give Nate Davis a chance. Look at films of the kid. He has the potential to be great. We can debate the odds of that. potential being realized in the NFL. I don’t know the answer to that. Why? Because the team never let him take a snap even when we were out of the playoffs and playing bad teams.
They never prepared Davis to play in a live game even after they realized Shaun Hill was not our answer. They relied on Smith to be our savior even though there was no statistical or historical reason to do so. THAT is STUPID coaching. That is being naive to the truth. We will probably have to pay for that stupidity in 2010.
I stopped reading when you mentioned Nate Davis
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
by smileyman on Jan 23, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s what I usually do.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 23, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Yup pretty much
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Jan 23, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
ha
abandoning OUR FUTURE?
Here's hoping 2010 is the end of our drought.
by FearTheTree on Jan 24, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
I couldn’t agree more with you Since79 ! The only thing I would say is that possibly if the defense keeps getting better and we get the O line problems fixed,that the Defense and Gore will win the games and alex just needs not to screw it all up too badly.We should be able to win our share of games with alex at QB,IF he continues to get better and finally reaches the level of an average QB in the NFL. So far alex just doesn’t seem to have what it takes ,but if he improves quite a bit he can reach the level of a very good backup.
If we want something special at the QB spot,we will have to wait for Davis to get ready,or if unexpectedly that doesn’t happen ,then maybe another prospect will be found. But as far as the roster we have now,the only real possibility on that roster for anything special is Davis !
The only reason there is a possibility of being special, as far as Davis is concerned, is because he hasn't played at all.
He doesn’t have the offense down and he doesn’t have reps with the first team, not even second team. Furthermore, Smith has his first chance to work on his skills as a Qb, timing with WR’s, and accuracy. What I stated above is simply due to the fact that people are overreacting when concerning Smith’s numbers, they are very misleading. I will say that Smith is our best options, all of those screaming for Nate Davis need to remember HE WILL HAVE rookie growing pains, even if he played in the last few games, next season he would still have rookie issues, look at Matt Ryan, Better WR’s, OL, and running back, and his year ws not impressive at all. Nate Davis is not ready and the 49ers as fans are not ready for what should be an obvious setback going with Davis at this point.
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Nate
He didn’t have the offense down because THEY DIDN’T WORK HIM INTO THE LINE UP at the end of the season by giving him 10-15 plays and letting him play for a quarter or two. You can’t tell me the dude didn’t know ANY plays. Come on.
Didn't have the offense down
BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T PRACTICE HIM AT QB ALL YEAR!!!!!!!
Yeah that would be smart. Let’s throw a QB in who hasn’t taken ANY SNAPS during the season and watch him fall apart.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
So...
Cutler – 3666 YDS 60.5 Comp % 27 TD 26 INT 76.8 Passer Rating
Smith – 2350 YDS 60.5 Comp % 18 TD 12 INT 81.5 Passer Rating
How did Cutler have the better year again?
by return2greatness on Jan 23, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
I'm so out of this
I’m only defending Culter in this debate. Drummer is defending Tom Brady. The Alex Smith/Nate Davis extremes are too tiring.
No targets?
Earl Bennett, Johnny Knox, Greg Olson?
If Cutler was so good he could make it work with the above players. I don’t understand why everyone think’s he is so great. I liked him in Denver and I loved when he said he has a stronger arm the Elway but c’mon folks, how good is he REALLY?
by return2greatness on Jan 24, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
LOL Nate Davis is the future my (site decroum).
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Jan 23, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Several things
Receivers who don’t run to the first down marker on 3rd down (Josh Morgan)
Receivers who drop balls (VD, Crabtree)
An internal clock that seems set at 2 seconds (Alex Smith)
A line that gave up 40 sacks and 84 hits and lots of pressure otherwise
A lack of any true WR threat until halfway through the season
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
That internal clock is a problem.
Sometimes he needs to take the sack and just go through his progressions. He made arrant throws even when he had time.
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Several Comminets to Several Things
I saw a lot of WRs coming back in front of the 1st down marker to catch Smith’s balls.
All receivers drop balls from time to time, Rice included. But when those balls are high in the middle of the field, or behind the WR, or thrown into double coverage with CBs hands in your face, it’s a wee bit harder than when a QB can lead a guy deep downfiled accurately. How many times did Smith do that last year?
For the first time, Alex Smith has the chance to focus on his game
That is, every offseason Alex Smith has had to learn a new playbook, a new philosophy to football, a new way to play.
Now, Smith knows what to expect for next season. He knows the football he is going to play, and a lot of the plays they are going to run. He can spend his time focusing on HIS game. Things like reading defenses/corner routes better. Getting the ball out a bit faster. Sure, these are things all NFL quarterbacks should be able to do with no problem, but for the first time, Alex Smith has his OWN game as a primary focus in the offseason. Let’s see what he does with this opportunity, and how much his game really improves.
by Run Dubz on Jan 23, 2010 10:36 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Alex will probably be the backup before too long anyway !
From Niner’s beat writer Kevin Lynch today…An NFL Scout told him…
“The scout also said he’s a huge Nate Davis guy. In five games he studied of the former Ball State star, the young 49ers quarterback threw only three bad passes. “I hope they don’t figure out how good he is,” the scout said. “That would be bad for the rest of the teams.”
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So,as I have been saying,when Nate is ready (maybe another full year? Maybe sooner than anyone thinks ?),then Alex will need to move aside,unless alex has dramatically improved by then over anything we have ever seen him do up until now.
Great to hear an NFL expert confirm what I already believed from using my “eyeball test” !
I hope Nate gets plenty of playing time next preseason to work out the bugs and then even gets some regular season time in to get him seasoned and experienced,so he can be as ready as possible and hit the ground running when he does take over.
Are you going to report what else the scout said from that article?
that he thought Tebow would be a good NFL quarterback?
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Actually the scout DID NOT say Tebow would be a good NFL QB . He did say he liked Tebow and said he thought the critism of him having a slow delievery was not right,but he didn’t really give his opinion about how Tebow would fare in the NFL. BUT he did say he LOVED Nate Davis and thought that the other NFL teams would be happy if the Niners left Davis on the bench,since Davis was going to be something special in the NFL.
LOL hahahhaha
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Jan 23, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
Alex is also a case of "Pay for Mediocrity."
Alex is never going to be top notch quarterback. At best he can become serviceable. A great quarterback needs the 3 A’s: Athleticism, Acumen, and ACCURACY with the last one being the most important. Who are the accurate quaterbacks? Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Peyton Manning, etc. These guys can throw perfect passers to covered guys and hit them chest high in the hands. Alex can usually get within 5 feet of a moving target or he will do his oh so tiresome “run right and throw it away.” If we can pick up QB that is raw but accurate, I say get him. Is Nate accurate?
Did you see how poorly Tom Brady played in the playoff loss?
Did you also see how much pressure he was under?
Without that outstanding offensive line Brady is just an average to slightly above average QB.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Yes he had a bad game because of pressure.
But that is not my point. When given time Brady is accurate. Alex is not.
by NeenerNeener on Jan 23, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Alex hasn't been given time to be accurate
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I meant +1 to this!
Yes he had a bad game because of pressure. But that is not my point. When given time Brady is accurate. Alex is not.
THAT’S JUST THE SAD TRUTH.
Since you say Brady is average or just slightly above average with his O line playing poorly,I guess that means that if you evaluate Alex using that same criteria that you would judge alex to be a very poor QB,compared to Brady or any other accurate QB who has " IT ",unlike alex?
I agree !
Smith had average stats this year
don’t believe me? Look them up.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
The old saying goes something like this…“There are lies and then there are damned lies and then worst of all are statistics”.
Anyone who watched alex play knows he is below the talent level of the average NFL QB right now. And even if he improves to “average level” then is that really all we 49ers fans want in a QB,“average” ???
Statistics help you evaluate what you see. They’re not bad. I don’t trust the opinion of anybody who dismisses statistics because that almost always means that they have a vested interest in ignoring a record of what actually happened. Which usually only happens when a person is wrong.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 23, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
this
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Insane Logic
So does anyone in NE want to trade Brady for Smith plus some draft picks?
Brady And Smith
Your really blind if you think Smith is in the same zip code, much less the stadium as Brady in accuracy..He had a bad game more because of a broken finger on his passing hand, a bad knee,and a bad shoulder..Now his line contributed to his injuries, but please don’t insult anyones intelligence by putting Smith in the same blog with Brady..
Nate is very ,very accurate and has all the intangebles any fan could dream of. Nate has " IT " !!!
If as expected he can take the next step up and reach his potential in the NFL,we will have a great QB for the next 10 years or so ,well worth the wait for him to get prepared !
Nate is very ,very accurate and has all the intangebles any fan could dream of.
This is dumb. Nate Davis has never even taken a snap against an NFL backup. We have absolutely no idea what we have in him.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 23, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Hell, he hasn’t take a rep in practice. What leads you to believe NATE HAS “IT”
Here's hoping 2010 is the end of our drought.
by FearTheTree on Jan 24, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
reply fail
meant to be for TIM___
Here's hoping 2010 is the end of our drought.
by FearTheTree on Jan 24, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
So I guess the point is that IF alex improves and reaches the “average” NFL QB level,we will probably be able to win our fair share of games,with Gore and the defense leading the way. But how much bettwer would it be to have a “GREAT” QB and win game BECAUSE of our QB,instead of in spite of our QB’s poor play?
Nate Davis has the potential to be that great QB,Smith has potential to maybe some day be “average” or maybe if a miracle happens “good” ? Why settle for less ?
Oh lord, Nate Davis. This needs to stop.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 23, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously he has done anything. He’s not starting so get over it
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Jan 23, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
not*
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Jan 23, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
NATE DAVIS IS OUR FUTURE.
at DB possibly but not QB.
Here's hoping 2010 is the end of our drought.
by FearTheTree on Jan 24, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Where ya been?
Man, Tim, where have you been during the last 1000 posts? I’ve been fighting these guys tooth and nail with no other believers until now. I have been making two points:"
1. Alex is a really good guy but will never be a great QB in the NFL because he just doesn’t have the intangibles that great QBs have. And I don’t think they can be learned. I don’t think accuracy and instinct and being able to throw bombs that glide into his WRs stomach on the dead run can be learned.
2. I was begging for Nate to play at least a quarter in the last two games against the Rams and Lions to get him on tape and let both him and the organization get a feel for what his potential was. I was derided for that. Apparently that was an insane idea because he didn’t know tha playbook! My point was, so what, if the staff wanted to play him they could have given him 10 plays a game plus a half dozen plays where he hands the ball off to see what we might have on oiur hands. I have met stiff opposition to that even though Walsh slipped Young into games for a quarter for at least a few games a year even in years when they were fighting for a playoff spot, he slipped Montana into games at the end of the season when Deberg was QB and they were out of the playoffs. Walsh always wanted to get a feel for all of his players.
3. In that regard, why did they not let our other young players get more expereince in those last two games as well? Brown, McKillop, Alex Boone, and others. Not necessarily at the same time. But just plug them in on certain plays, certain downs, to let them learn and get more information about them on tape to use in the offseason. Why they were simply hell-bent for two meaningless wins at any cost against two crappy teams is no mystery: Sing and Co. saving their own assess by waving the 8-8 flag is the reason. There was no true foresight, no leadership, no vision. Thye said, yeah, these wins will carry momentum into next season. What BS. That’s ridiculous. If everyone knew Sing was working out young players and seeing if the Niners had players that could get us better next year, the players would have understood and applauded their coach for caring about 2010. That’s what a true leader would have done. Instead, he tried to show the NFL how Alex Smith could eat up the two worst defenses in football and came away with egg on his face. Then after the game it’s the same crap, “Alex did some good things out there today.” Yeah, luckily he didn’t get his WRs killed with more high passes and horrible timing. Luckily the balls were so inaccurate our guys had no chance to get themselves killed.
Tim, this is what most of these guys who post all the time disagree with! Amazing. Anyway, welcome to the posts!
Nate ready in 2011?
Seems as if most folks think Nate is a better QB than Alex. Would be nice to see him start a few games next season. Thought you all might want to reread his scouting report:
Ball State QB Nate Davis Scouting Report
Height: 6-2, Weight: 217
Strengths: Tremendous arm strength…throws an excellent hard ball…athletically gifted and can move very well in the pocket…has some scrambling ability…has the skills to extend the play…throws from a variety of angles…as his career at Ball State progressed, as did his leadership abilities…just now scratching the surface of his professional potential…has an accurate deep ball and may stretch a defense more than any other QB prospect in this draft class…tons of upside here to like…
Weaknesses: Needs to continue to develop his accuracy, and throw the ball into tighter windows or he will not find success at the next level…playing at Ball State, the level of competition was not very good, so his production should be criticized somewhat…needs to develop more touch on his longer passes, can not gun the football on every toss…also needs to develop a better feel for the game and to get rid of the football on time on precision routes…do not expect a starting NFL QB in 2009…
Overall: The more film you watch on some prospects, the more scouts tend to sour on a prospect, Nate Davis is one of the unique prospects that are an exception to the rule. Nate Davis is going to take time to develop, but a development escalation the likes of 2008 rookie QB Joe Flacco is not out of the realm of possibility. Nate Davis is a strong armed, mentally tough prospect, who brings excellent intangibles to the table, yet a prospect who must develop an NFL level accuracy and is going to take time for refinement. Scouts opinions vary on Davis as much as any other prospect in the 2009 draft class, his name could be called anywhere from the latter portion of the 2nd round until the latter portion of the 3rd round.
Its probably a combination
Of Alex getting his feet wet as well as no time to throw, and Jimmy Raye being way too conservative
Thank you Al Davis for Michael Crabtree!!!!!
hm
i think it’s great for blacks to be conservative in this day n age. it really confuses many of the racists
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
Alex Smith is garbage...
That’s not a good joke.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 23, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
That was terrible
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Jan 23, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
lol
your replies were the joke for me.
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
Alex Smith is garbage...
by redrum21225 on Jan 24, 2010 12:16 AM PST up reply actions
not the guy
Alex Smith may understand the playbook and be serviceable but he lacks the three imperative components:
1. Fire
2. Leadership
3. Improvisation
You cant be great unless you have these three, look at all the greats especially Steve Young and Montana, they excelled in those areas. So does Manning, Farve, Brees, Brady heck even Sanchez appears to have this.
Everyone talks about Nate Davis but we really dont know how he passes the intangible test.
it just amazes me that
some people on here continue to put their trust in mediocrity..oh how far we have fallen.
Wakeup call: You need to need to have a star or potential star at the quarterback position to be a perennial playoff caliber team.
I’m sorry but making excuses for the quarterback, and somehow FANTASIZING that Alex Smith will suddenly show us things he has Never or Rarely ever done before consistently is ludicrous.
But keep bucking Nate Davis or other possibilities, maybe just maybe they might surprise you.
You know, the more I think about it the more I feel like this stat is really flawed.
It rewards quarterbacks on teams that pass on first down, because all you need to do is complete a 4 and a half yard pass to get credit. And it rewards quarterbacks who play on teams that run successfully because it increases the number of third and short situations you’re put in.
Any quarterback who ends up in a large number of third and long plays is going to be punished by this stat unnecessarily.
It’s interesting in theory, but the current application is completely unbalanced.
I’m also not sure of the method itself. 45% on first down? Where does that number come from? 60% on second down? At least 100% makes sense.
I don’t know. I have problems with this stat. It’s too dependent on factors that are independent of quarterback play (playcalling and running play), and I’m not sure that I like the percentage breakdown. Completing a bunch of 4.5 yard passes doesn’t seem like something you should get rewarded for so heavily.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
I was under the impression that it was 33% on 1st down, 50% on 2nd, and 100% on third, which makes sense, considering that an offense that gets exactly those numbers will get 3.33 yards on every play (starting from first and 10)
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I would guess they have established some sort of statistical "ladder"
where they keep track of the percentage of new first downs achieved after a gain of 1 yard on the original first down, after a gain of 2 yards on the original first down, and so on. And they probably found that there’s a sharp dropoff in that percentage in between making 5 yards on first down and making 4 yards on first down.
Or something along these lines. FO seems to be pretty sound on stuff like this. I don’t think they’ve come up with these numbers just off the top of their collective heads.
Insert signature here.
No, I do believe there’s likely a basis similar to what you mention for the numbers, and that shouldn’t have been one of my major points of contention. Mostly, I just think that while the idea of the stat is great, this implementation is doing too much rewarding / punishing for plays that the quarterback really plays no role in.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 25, 2010 8:12 AM PST up reply actions

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