Under Armour Senior Bowl Open Thread
by smileyman on Jan 26, 2010 2:16 PM PST
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PrintFooch's Note: We'll have some kind of open thread up tomorrow. But feel free to discuss today's practices here.
Wanted to have a fanpost for the Under Amour practices. Rec it up so it stays on top and then we can make this the stop for any discussion of practices. Some thoughts after the jump
Risers
Kyle Wilson--continuning to really impress. Extremely tight coverage. Covering well on short routes as well as the long ones. Makes plays on the ball constantly. He continues to improve this way and he'll be a 1st rounder. Right now I think he may be the best CB here.
Vladimir Ducasse--Played OG and OT in college but has done very well at OT in the drills
Dexter McCluster--They had him working at WR drills today and he's incredibly impressive. Schooled Linley, Mays, and Arenas.
Brandon Graham--put some great moves on that left the crowd oohing and ahing.
Rolle--showing decent speed and good coverage. Still has a lot to prove
Joique Bell--showing he's not afraid of the hole.
Fallers
Taylor Mays--does not look good in coverage. Getting beat all the time
Trevard Lindley--Ditto
Mike Iupati--Put him out at Tackle and he got beat badly
O'Brien Schofield--Sadly for him he tore his ACL first day of practice. May end up going UDFA or very late rounds.
Terrence Cody--not showing very good stamina. Getting worn out fast, but he's impressive when he's in.
Holding Steady
Tim Tebow--hasn't really shown he can take snaps under center. Dropped several exchanges yesterday. Showed some really nice touch on the long ball today. Showing his leadership skills right away too. Still has to work on the throwing motion. Mechanics are looking slightly better but he's looking awkard at it.
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Tebow stinks… He is definitely under your “Falling”. He can’t even take a snap. His throws are all ducks. He had one good throw to McCluster out of at least 15 throws today and thats it. I guarantee scouts are not giving him a “holding steady” grade. He’s going to fall to the 3rd or 4th round.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
McShay on Tebow today
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4858267
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Tebow is definitely a project
kind of like, hmmm, Alex Smith???
LOL
Alex can actually throw even with his 2.5 seconds on average of protection
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
And he also can put spin on the ball. Tebow’s passes today made Shaun Hill look like a pro bowler
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
LOL
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Jan 26, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
Maiocco disagrees
Tebow has shown difficulty taking snaps from under center but his throws have looked decent enough
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Aside from the fact his throwing motion
Is just slightly more compact than Dennis Eckersly’s
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Other people believe otherwise
I have read on a few of the sites such as Draft Countdown and Walter that his throws have been off the mark, his throwing motion is slow, and when he does hit a pass the ball is wobbly and slow to reach the target more often than not.
I saw it with my own eyes, I dont care what Maiocco says, Tebow lood horrible… horrible is actually an understatement. He wasn’t close to the best QB out there today. Pike and Robinson both looked WAY better than Tebow…and where are they projected? What does that say about Tebow. Maiocco is full of it A LOT. He wants us to draft a ILB for cryin’ out loud.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Maiocco isn't a 49er fan.
But I want to talk about Pike.
He had a bad 1st day.
I missed day 2 so I don’t know what happened.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 26, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
I think Pike can be good
REALLY GOOD, given several years to develop into a pro frame and placed in a situation he can succeed. I’d honestly say in real QB skills I have him higher than Clausen.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
I really, really like Pike
I think if a team drafts him in the later rounds and lets him develop for a few years before throwing him to the wolves they’ll have a great starting QB on their hands.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I'm not saying for us
I just like him as a prospect.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I wish we had Pike instead of Nate Davis
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 27, 2010 6:20 AM PST up reply actions
what's the possibility
that Davis get’s cut if they did bring in someone else and he outperformed Nate?
"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.
Honestly, I think it’s more likely at this point that Hill gets cut than Davis.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 27, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
me too
but neither a rookie or davis inspire a lot of confidence as a backup either…
"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.
I go back and forth. I really do want the security that Hill brings as a backup. But more than that, I want this team to stop treading water at the QB position while acting like that’s somehow going to get us to shore. Smith has given us some reason for hope, but he’s far from an option that gives us long-term confidence. And if we’re not sure about the long-term, then we need to stock as many other possible long-term options as quickly as possible so that we don’t end up spending another five to six years on the crappy-QB-go-round.
I want to get off the crappy-QB-go-round. It’s not a fun ride. My horsey has splinters in it.
I do hate going into next season knowing that if Smith goes down, there would only be Davis and rookie to take his place. That thought is legitimately terrifying. But long-term, I think it makes a hell of a lot more sense. And we should be thinking long-term. Because the short-term options aren’t very good.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 27, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Then would you be opposed to drafting a rookie QB and dumping Hill? Or roster 4 QB’s? Or even get a guy like Bulger or Campbell or someone like that as a backup to Smith? What are your thoughts exactly on the situation?
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I think the best course of action is probably to – assuming that a well-scouted option falls – draft a QB in the second to third round range, keep Davis, and drop Hill.
I’d be more or less okay with keeping Hill and going with 4 QBs on the roster, but with 4 QBs you have to believe that Davis is back to the practice team for some work as a fifth string DB, so it’s not ideal.
If the draft is a bust, I’d be very okay with taking a flyer on Campbell (which assumes that he doesn’t re-sign, and I think it’s extremely likely that he does). I’d be less okay with Pennington (but I could deal with it, probably, maybe), and I would rather have Hill than anything resembling Bulger.
1) So my top choice is to get a good pick in the second or third round and drop Hill.
2) My second choice is to do the same thing without dropping Hill (carrying 4).
3) My third choice assumes 1) that the options available to us in the draft suck and 2) that Campbell is legitimately available, in which case I’d want to drop Hill and sign Campbell.
4) My fourth choice again assumes no luck in the draft, and is a toss-up between Hill and Pennington. I probably prefer Hill for the price. In fact, I do prefer Hill. Pennington is probably just plain done, and probably too expensive for all that trouble.
5) Failing all of that, I’d just like to stick with what we have.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 27, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
I see what you mean
the colts didn’t have a fabulous backup to Manning, or the Giants with Eli, a ton of teams actually. Thinking of Davis having to play for half a season or even a long stretch of games is kind of an unknown and can seem daunting…but who really has great options as a backup? Not every team at least.
That way we aren’t wasting a roster spot on a guy like Hill and other kids aren’t getting snaps.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Pennington
That’s pretty much why I discluded him in conversation. The reason I bring up Bulger, is because when he’s healthy, he’s actually quite accurate. Sitting on the bench in a backup role may allow him to get healthy again. But maybe Campbell would be the best candidate as a backup.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Well...
My opinion on Campbell’s underratedness has been well-documented on these boards. I would be very surprised to see him anywhere but Washington next year, though.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 27, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
I feel the same. I think even if they draft a QB, it’s gonna be Campbell who gets the nod initially at the beginning of next season
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
that's the smart thing to do
it wasn’t his fault they lost all those games. similar to Alex, they need to build around him and then see what he can do. Drafting a QB as eventual replacement (if needed) still isnt’ a bad idea…like the 49ers should probably do as well.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Really?
IMO, Nate Davis was WAY better than Pike in college.
Physically, Nate Davis is better in every way.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
College means nothing when you get to the pro’s… haven’t I heard that somewhere before? I mean Nate Davis doesn’t even grab the ball by the laces. He had a horriffic game against San Diego the last preseason game of the year. His footwork was bad and so was his throwing motion. I’m not saying that everything should be orthidoxed for a QB to be successful but he definitely has a long way to go. Pike at least has the mechanics and accuracy to have a better shot than Davis.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
?
He had a horriffic game against San Diego the last preseason game of the year.
No he didn’t.
He played well, and the one INT he threw bounced off a player’s leg and into another guy’s hands.
I guess we have a different definition of “horrific”
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Here's the box score
50% doesn’t exactly scream brilliant!! 13 for 23 with 1 INT and a TD. 115 Yards. …he played most of that game.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore;_ylt=Arn6iWLGnKbgRCtOyKsvMXkisLYF?gid=20090904024
The only game he looked somewhat decent in was against Dallas… and they were playing their 2nd and 3rd stringers the entire game. As were we. Doesn’t say a whole lot.
Anyway, that’s neither here or there. Pike>>>>>>Davis, is the point. WAY MORE upside and Pike is ahead of the curve as to where Davis is still playing catch-up.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
why? they’re both system qbs with strong arms. Davis just has a year in the nfl and better mechanics.
by hellaninersfan on Jan 28, 2010 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
Better mechanics? Is that a joke? Davis’ mechanics have ALWAYS been his worst problem.
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Maybe you meant better mechanics since entering the NFL but I don’t know how you could tell that from 10 Quarters of preseason football
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I think they're completely differnt QBs
Nate Davis has the grip thing but it never affected him in college so it shouldn’t really affect him.
I see Tony Pike as a guy that can put on 10-15 pounds and just be a pocket passer.
He’s very tall and he looks funny when he’s running.
He has an adequate arm and would do very well with a good O-line.
I see Nate Davis as a more accurate Donovan McNabb.
He has a very strong arm and can make a lot of great plays.
I’m taking this from watching both at the college level.
I haven’t seen Nate in over a year so he could be a different QB now.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t see McNabb in Davis one bit other than his size. McNabb has touch, Davis doesn’t know the meaning of touch. McNabb is a leader and that is up in the air with Davis. The grip thing does effect him; at times his passes look like a mobile see-saw flying through the air.
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I see it in his mobility and how he moves in the pocket.
They also have similar arm strength.
I disagree with the touch thing. He showed nice touch on some of his deep throws in Ball Sate.
Obviously he can improve but I think he’s fine for a 5th round draft pick.
I noticed you mentioned below that you think Davis will be out of the league soon.
I’m not going to argue with you on this because it’s obvious you don’t see anything in him.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
the "every pass davis threw" video
really does show that he was on the money on most of his throws. there were drops, deflections, etc that contributed to most incompletions and INT’s.
and all I’m saying with that is that he made good throws and mostly, decisions. nothing more.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
That’s not the way I saw it. The way I saw it was that alot of the throws where of the mark, some were wobbly and he couldn’t do anything when pressure was brought
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just a few
0:22
0:35
0:45
1:50
2:19
3:06
under pressure in a few of them, just saying I see talent there.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
I don’t… not like it should be at the pro level
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you're stubborn
question is, can you remember the last time you were wrong?
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Yep and I admit it when I am… only this has nothing to with being right or wrong, it has everything to do with opinion vs. opinion and mine won’t change. I think Davis stinks and he’ll be out when his contract expires, that’s my projection on Davis and we’ll leave it at that.
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fair enough
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
agreed
It’s not close. Pike struggles to throw down the field, played in a spread offense in which he had to make very few pro reads (Davis isn’t too different, but he did take about 1/2 his snaps under center), and is just a skinny dude. Davis can throw the ball 70 yards, has a beautiful throwing motion, above average accuracy, and has a great feel for the pocket (took very few sacks, though he did take off to run quite often).
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
Jamarcus Russell can throw the ball 80
And is probably is a better QB than Davis too
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 28, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
What is this even based off of?
Did you even watch Nate Davis when he played for Ball State?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
I did and I think it's a fair comparison.... statistically and play wise at the college level.
Davis
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=185609
Russell
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=146755
Russell actually had a better comp rate in college than Davis did. College doesn’t mean anything once a player gets to the pro’s. Russell had all the same “upside” that supposedly Davis does and look at him now.
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Russel is lazy
personally I haven’t heard the same thing about Davis. That makes a boatload of difference too…
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
You're not really taking into considertion the fact that Russell doesn't seem to care about football.
We don’t know much about Nate’s work ethic.
I’m not going to argue with you on this.
But I would still like to know if itburnz has really ever seen Nate Davis play.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
I haven't seen him much,
and the game I saw was the one in which he fumbled 4 times (ugh). But he carried the team and was really accurate. He has great mechanics and mobility—and the Jamarcus comparison is a bit ludicrous for the reason Tre9er gives. Davis has given every indication that he’s a great teammate and wants to study and get better.
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
Those two final games.
Really killed his draft stock.
His coach got fired and Ball state just fell apart.
He was considered a 2nd rounder and some guys thought he was better than Josh Freeman.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Count me among those who think Davis > Freeman
Davis’ draft stock fell for 3 reasons:
1) two really bad games at the end of the season
2) he doesn’t use the laces / uses gloves
3) learning disability
re: 1) Davis’ entire team was overmatched in those games, and only 2 of the fumbles in the game I saw were exclusively his fault (the center was short-arming the snap because he was getting blown up every time). (Full disclosure: one of the fumbles was Sage-Rosenfels-Helicopter-level bad— http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3_hi7gOjE0).
re: 2) unconventional, but Kurt Warner uses gloves too. At least Davis doesn’t have Alex-Smith-sized hands. If it was really an issue, it could probably be corrected.
re: 3) sit him on the bench and let him learn at his own pace. This is why I’ve been banging the ‘No Nate Davis in 2009’ drum all season long. Now he’s got an entire off-season worth of reps and study. If he’s on the Aaron Rodgers track and comes in with his level of familiarity, the Niners QB spot could be set for years to come.
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
Freeman was about what I expected this past year: 10GS 59.9QBRat 159comp 291att 54.6comp/pct 1857yards 185.7yards/game 6.4y/a 10td 18int 9fumb
Davis won’t be a rookie when he starts, but he’ll put up better numbers than those when he gets in.
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
Freeman holds on to the ball way too long
Too many turnovers too.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 29, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
At least Davis doesn’t have Alex-Smith-sized hands.
Alex Smith’s hands are actually measurably average sized for an NFL QB. They have been measured.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 29, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
I was being a bit facetious there. From what I understand, though, Davis’ hands are larger than average.
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
o_0
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 29, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
I watched the game against Tulsa and the game against Buffalo
So I watched him play 2 almost decent teams and struggle horribly against both. Nate, “Tony Banks”, Davis couldn’t keep from coughing up the ball against either team. He wasn’t the only reason Ball State lost but he did his best Donovan McNabb to further ensure that he put the game out of reach.
Fumble diving into the endzone fail.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 29, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
This is probably true
Although some will consider Leaf worse because some thought he was better than Manning.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 29, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
I like Pike too… he would be much more ready to go than Davis. He does need to put on about 10 pounds or so though.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
20 pounds
kid looks frail…
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
He looks like a stick figure
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Tony Pike 6’6 225
Phillip Rivers 6’5 228
Just to put things in perspective.
7-10 pounds of muscle and hitting the gym and he’ll be fine.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Tony Pike weighed in at 212 pounds at the senior bowl
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
maybe Pike carries his weight somewhere else
maybe he has a huge….or brain or feet…but his arms look like pretzel sticks…bleached.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Not comparing him to these guys, but the Canfield kid intrigues me as a late-round QB…you West-Coasters may know more than I do though.
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looked to me like he had a weak arm out there
Did good during the regular season though
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Arm strength isn't great...
But he is an incredibly accurate passer, with good mechanics who can drop even though he played in the spread, and he’s incredibly intelligent at QB. He’d be a great late round pick up.
Canfield didn't play in the spread.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 30, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
Are you sure?
If memory serves, and it doesn’t always because I’m ancient, Oregon State runs a spread option with lots of fly sweeps and other such motion runs.
Canfield had the most experience playing under center compared to all the guys at the senior bowl.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 31, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Jarrett Brown
at WV probably had the most snaps from center I believe. But he didn’t get a ton of playing time in the Senior Bowl
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Really?
He only started one year though.
Canfield had more experience.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 1, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
much better day 2
but still a project. I think he still may surprise some people because he will work hard on changing his bad habits, possibly even be much better at throwing motion and taking snaps by combine time.
"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.
what are you talking about... lets bring the uber-religious kid in the anti-abortion commercials to san francisco. hopefully no one asks him about prop 8...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Taylor Mays
looked fine except one time in man to man coverage
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
agree
He’s a saftey not a corner he won’t be in man coverage all game long. From what I read yesterday he had a good practice.
Niner Ball!!!!
by Batman559 on Jan 26, 2010 5:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
THey do have to play it, and a lot on 3rd downs when you send pressure
Taylor Mays………..LOL
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Taylor Mays and coverage = FAIL
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Jan 26, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
Elite
passing down OLB running down SS hybrid is his future.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
He’ll be a full-time safety… he’s playing that in the Senior Bowl and that’s what a team will draft him as. If he comes on safety blitzes, you can’t count that as OLB.
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the only time he'll play LB
is in Nickel possibly
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
That’s not really LB then, it’s a nickelback. Either way, it’s not what he’s going to be drafted to do a majority of the time, if ever.
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i consider nickelback to be third CB
Nickel is a 4-2 with 5 DB’s. I was referring to him dropping down like Lewis does and another safety/CB subbing in deep as a safety.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Nickelback can be filled in by ANY defensive back depending on who a team wants in there. It’s typically done with a Corner because of coverage but it’s not always the case.
What you’re talking about then is a Dime package then. Mays is a safety and he’s going to be that. Even though Palumalu plays somewhat of a “hybrid” whatever you want to call it, he is still a Safety…he’s not going to ever be an OLB. Ronnie Lott used to do this as well as Tim McDonald.
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what I'm talking about is when we're in Nickel
Willis and Lewis play right behind the DT’s as LB’s. Then there are 5 DB’s (Nickel).
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
(Lewis is not one of the 5 DB's)
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
I understand what you're saying
but I just don’t think he will be a LB all that often. And that could be the only exception because you wouldn’t want to take him off the field
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right
the reason I said that is that I think he’s a more athletic version of Michael Lewis, and that’s what Lewis does. You don’t really want him back there alone or in man coverage on anyone with moves.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Mays will fit with some team. After all the 49ers use their SS as another LB, other teams use the same strategy.
wouldn't be upset if we got him
though wouldn’t want to use a 1st round pick on him.
definitely a future upgrade over Lewis to do the same sort of things
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Players standing out
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4858247
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
WR Price from Ohio St
Does anyone know where he’s projected to go? I like the idea of a mid-round WR coming our way- preferably one with experience in the return game.
correction
From Ohio. Hadn’t heard of him before checking that link.
He' probably going to go in the 3rd round
He has been impressing at the Senior bowl practices from what I’ve read.
His 40 time is projected to be ridiculously low.
Does everything well.
At a more prestige school with an accurate QB who knows maybe he could have been a mid 2nd rounder. Definitely someone to keep an eye on this weekend.
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Andrew Quarless 4.Torell Troup 5.Mike Kafka 6.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Good hands and route running
With a run and shoot cllege offense, he could be projected the best player available………….LOL
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5th
According to NFL Draft Scout. And he’s fast and from what I read somewhere runs really good routes I think.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 26, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
Wilson and McCluster
I have been hearing that they are killing it. I’d love either one or BOTH in 2nd and 3rd. Assuming we get Tackle in first.
sounds like McCluster
will be going earlier perhaps…he’s getting a lot of press thus far. Said he plays bigger than he is too, which will help some scouts see him as more durable.
"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.
Still man
Dude is like 175 lbs. People said Warrick Dunn was too small and he makes Dunn look like Arnold in his prime.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 27, 2010 6:22 AM PST up reply actions
i just have a feeling
that nasayers will eat crow. Just because it’s happened before
"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.
Not saying it can't happen
But I don’t think he goes before the 55th pick just because of the inherent risk in drafting such a small guy.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 27, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
175? Huh?
He’s 160. If you heard 175 somewhere, then you have been misinformed. On the Senior Bowl stuff, they said 165 but that’s gotta be inflated, or he was drenched with his pads on or something like that.
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Wait, so McCluster's weigh-in stats at the Senior Bowl are inflated but everyone else's are accurate?
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Where did I say everyone esle’s were accurate?
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Dude they weigh and measure them in front of a room full of people
It would be kind of hard to fool.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
He probably wore led fishing weights in his jock
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All I know is he isn’t 175… they said he was 165 today. I just watched it again to verify. 5’8" 165… In any case, that wasn’t the point. Point was that he can’t block if his life depended on it.
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At 5'8?
It would slow him down which would eliminate his biggest advantage.
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c'mon
not that much. There aren’t many guys who will NOT put on weight (muscle). He’s quick, that won’t change as long as he can stay flexible in adding muscle. Kid is determined. Don’t underestimate that.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Perhaps he can bulk to 175-180?
If he can retain his speed at that weight he could have success.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
yeah
and he’s short as heck. there are wide receivers at 180 who are around 6 foot tall. The kid will be fine.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
I wish him the best.
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by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Speed is not his biggest asset it is hte ability to chnge direc tion quickly, ala, Barry Sanders, who was always tracked down on big runs, he just didn't need a lot of space to make you miss.
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If he got lined up as a WR he wouldn't need to block
and that’s the point.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
If it was a run play he would. So pretty much wherever McCluster lines up, a defense would know what we are doing becuse of his inhability to block. If he lines up on the outside = pass, lines up in the backfield = run = transparent offense because he cant block.
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You're missing what I'm trying to say here
He’s not going to get drafted as a RB that lines up once in awhile at WR.
He’ll get drafted to be a WR and a KR/PR. That’s what I would do with him.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I am not missing your point I get that. What I am telling you, is that even if he lines up at wide out, he’s gonna be exposed in his blocking. I guess if you are always running the opposite way it might work but then you limit your options and audible capabilies. Not being able to block is a bigger liability than you are thinking I think.
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If he's lined up at WR
He needs to chip a guy for a second or two and that’s it. He’s not going to be asked to drop back to pick up a blitzer, so I don’t see where the problem comes in at.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Look at DeSean Jackson
he weighed in at 169 lbs at the combine, which is only 4 more lbs than what McCluster is at.
I don’t think the Eagles are complaining about him at all.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
DeSean
Isn’t in on every play…. plus he’s 5’10" and he CAN block… McCluster was getting chucked like a dog toy. I have seen Jackson make some pretty decent blocks.
And he really pretty much is only limited to the deep ball, look at his averages. I am not saying that’s a horrible thing and I am probably the biggest advocate of getting some guys like that. However, If he goes in the 2nd, that’s gonna be too high and it’s doubtful that he falls to us in the 3rd. If he does, all I am saying is I’d rather have Ford.
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Yeah, but citing the exception isn’t really compelling evidence to expect that a trend will be bucked again. One person being successful despite serious shortcomings does not mean that we can ignore those same odds on another player.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2010 8:09 AM PST up reply actions
Odds should be shortcomings there. I wrote that sentence twice with different words and forgot to change that one word.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2010 8:10 AM PST up reply actions
Really? cause I see Morgan and Crabtree pushing guys downfield…something McCluster will never be able to do.
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Blocking is about leverage more than it is about strength
it’s why you see smaller defensive linemen and OLB powering through big offensive linemen.
It’s 80% technique and 20% physical tools.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I did this to a friend once.
He was bragging about how he should be an Offensive lineman.
I knocked him on his [site decorum].
(I’m 140 and he’s like 250)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
He’s going to need to learn the “techinque” and there’s no gaurantee that he will.
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There's no guarantee about any player coming in
I just think that he reminds me of DeSean Jackson. Some of the same tools and same concerns and teams are kicking themselves now for not drafting him.
Of course he could turn out to be a bust too.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Yeah, but when you have really big guys who also spend almost all of their time perfecting leverage techniques, size helps.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2010 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
this
most WR’s unless it’s a sweep to their side don’t do crap except interfere with the CB for a second or two, then they look into the pile to see what happened.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
What? Are you serious? I will pull 1000 youtube or nfl.com videos and post them here just to prove that statement incorrect.
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on an inside run
yeah, most of them don’t do much. I see it all the time. Some do, most don’t. My point is I see it all the time, even good receivers, not all, but a lot of them.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Do they have to block for more than a second if it’s a 3 yard run? I don’t get the argument. But even on some of Gore’s up the gut runs you’ll see Morgan among others throwing blocks all the way down field.
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just saying
there are elite WR’s who aren’t known for blocking. It’s nice, but guys can be #1 WR’s without being great blockers.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
LOL
But, “COME ON MAN”
Starting to sound like chikmagnet, you know haterism!!
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There’s a difference from “hating” a player because you don’t want him to be drafted because you think there’s other needs so you make up all these fallacies against who he really is and being real with analysis.
McCluster can’t block… I am just re-quoting what was said by the analysists today. Not hating and not man-crushing, just simply telling it how it is.
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They're in shorts
You’re joking though aren’t you?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
McCluster
How does he play bigger? When I was watching this afternoon, he is going to be HUGE liability in pass blocking or even blocking on the outside on DB’s. He was getting tossed around like a little girl out there.
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DB’s will toss him too… Not sure if you had the chance to watch but it was pretty bad. If all you’re doing is sending him on seam routes and go’s then maybe there’s be a small percentage of value — assuming you were drafting him to do the returns also.
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Come on drew, those pass patterns would be killing his natural ability.
Screens outs and quick slants in man to man could be TD’s. He isn’t worth a high draft pick, but it is not a horrible option due to his size.
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Well if he goes in the 2nd like people are saying, I definitely wouldn’t want him there. I don’t really want him anyway… I’d rather get Ford if we’re gonna opt for a guy like that. Less expensive and later rounds and he’s 5’10" 185… closer to deshaun jackson’s size
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But as a RB, opposing teams are gonna know it’s either a run or a screeen to him because of that liability. There’s no chance he will be a successful RB in the league in my opinion from what I’ve drawn from this season and these practices
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Brandon Ghee is also doing well
He ran with the Clemson WR step for step on a go-route.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
Please don't draft another guy named "Brandon"
for some reason McGm has had a love affair with guys named Brandon but honestly, if you were to pick players using their full name only how many Brandons are there that have done really well on a consistent basis in the NFL?? Not many at all…maybe good project for Florida Danny
I think one way of telling if a player has potential is to say his name in a way that an announcer would during a game. Many times the name just doesn’t sound right, such as “Touchdown Brandon (Last name)……” or “Sacked by Brandon (last name).”
In my opinion, many times just saying a player’s name in a game context can be a better way to evaluate than other qualitative methods.
Please, no more Brandons!
uhhh
are you serious? If this is serious it may be the single most stupid comment I’ve ever read. Seriously. This is hard to even believe its serious its so stupid.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think he’s serious.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
God help us
if we got Brandon Marshall or Brandon Jacobs
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Brandon Jacobs
Utter failure this year, pass on that idea.
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Can someone explain Syd'Quan Thompson?
I’ve always had a high opinion of him, I just think his game will do very well at the Pro level.
People have directed me to online scouting reports saying he’s a 5th round pick not to mention someone posted a comment yesterday saying how he had a terrible 1st practice.
Than I read Kevin Lynch column today explaining how Thompson was being raved about from Chavous and Mayock on NFL Network. That he might even be a 1st/2nd round pick.
I don’t think I’ve ever followed a non-QB player with such a variance in evaluation when it comes to the NFL draft. Does anyone have better insight they would like to share?
Thompson (My favorite CB prospect)
The thing with Thompson is that he’s small even for a CB, thus allowing scouts to theorize that in the NFL he’ll be man handled in the physical aspect of the game and he’ll rarely have the size advantage. When I watch him on film he’s quick to the ball, I can’t stress that enough. He can sometimes be overly aggressive but with more experience he should develop and learn to pick his spots better.
Thompson has been getting beat deep at these practices but anywhere else has been very impressive. Questions have arisen about Thompson’s ankle and whether or not it has feel healed. I’m not going to play doctor but even if it’s slightly sore, in the mind your worried about making deep cuts, which could be affecting him.
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Andrew Quarless 4.Torell Troup 5.Mike Kafka 6.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Thanks, I didn’t realize he also had some size issues. I knew about the speed. Ya, I like him too because he seems to challenge every pass. I see him as a solid #2 CB who often often has boom or bust games.
Listed as 5’9" / 191 on the Cal website. That is a bit small.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
Thats Cal's website too
They probably added an inch. Weight is accurate depending on fluctuations. Javier Arenas is listed as 5’9" on Alabama’s sites and he measure in at 5’8 1/2"
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 26, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
not unless we do it in the later rounds or he can be a return specialist. Safety is more important for us.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
If we draft Thomas
We get a Safety and probably the 2nd best coverage corner in the draft also. So we could really play with our packages in that scenario.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 27, 2010 6:23 AM PST up reply actions
nickel
he could play nickel corner on the 3rd WR if he beats out Brown. He’s small too isn’t he? Could challenge for a corner spot outright I guess…I wouldn’t hate it…just dont want to spend an early pick on sort of an unknown quantity or project
"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.
by unknown
i mean a guy who isn’t probably a true safety but hasn’t played a lot of corner…
"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.
He's a true FS and maybe a tiny bit small for that. He would be miniscule if anybody tried to play him at an SS position
He could stand to put on another 10 lbs of muscle though. He talks as though he knows football is a job and that sounds like the type of guy that will have his ass in the weight room and watching tape to me.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 27, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
2nd best coverage corner as in who as number 1
I would put Haden and Berry above him in coverage from the corner position.
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I have him and Berry just about even in coverage
Berry is a better tackler though
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 28, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
You said drafting thomas would give us the 2nd best coverage CORNER.
He is not that good.
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It's not necessary
I would probably recommend that they do, though.
The two guys that were set to be starters for the 2009 season got hurt (Harris and Clemments).
If Dre Bly and Walt Harris leave, the 49ers will need to add another CB for depth.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 26, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
I would actually say that if dre bly OR walt harris leave we need another CB for depth. odds are, at their age, expect at least 1 injury between the two of them.
by hellaninersfan on Jan 27, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
I would agree
Here’s our CB Roster as far as age: 35, 32, 30 27, 27, 25. And I’m sorry but one of those 27’s (Hudson) isn’t good.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 27, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
this
I said somewhere too. We need to get progressively younger. Besides, we roster like 11 DB’s in camp.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
I'd like the average age of the corps
to be around 27. a few young guys, a few vets, a few in the middle. We have 4 guys 30+ in the secondary currently IIRC. Tae is 28, Hudson is a special teamer, as is Taylor.
My point is just that when 3 of your potential starting DB’s are over 30…it’s time to think about the future.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
brown, smith
are probably the only youngsters we have that seem likely to start any time soon too…so I’d like young, promising talent.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
yes
and no. we need to add about 4 more DB’s for training camp. I suspect one will come from the draft. We’re old in the secondary. Harris, Lewis, Bly, Clements, Roman…all over 30. Even if some or all come back we need to get younger back there.
We might pick up some scrubs for training camp but we could also lose 2 or 3 of the guys above to retirement or being released. Granted two of them didn’t play much or at all in 2009 and one of them had no business playing when he did. But you have to plug guys in to replace them.
"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.
Kyle Wilson
This kid looks like a true shut down corner. He is making all the other CB look bad. The recievers are having a hell of a time getting open against him. I have never heard of him, but after watching him on the NFL network I’m convinced that he is a great player and all the experts are starting to get on board with him too.
this is true
most of the elite CB/Safety prospects are juniors though so they aren’t gonna be in practice out there. So maybe we can snatch him in the early 3rd round if we move some picks around.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 27, 2010 6:26 AM PST up reply actions
On that note
I wish they had an Underclassman bowl
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 27, 2010 6:26 AM PST up reply actions
I still like Ghee a little better
Ghee is bigger and just as fast….if not faster…
He ran step for step with the Clemson WR.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Well you better be big time if you role up in your own bus with your picture plastered on it king-kong sized…. No I agree, everything I have seen from him from the Fiesta Bowl to now, I have been impressed with. He should be good at the next level and he has a really good opportunity here.
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smiley, others...opinons on Schoffield?
Would you go for him as a UDFA? Seems like it’s be a good one to throw a flyer at. End up like Brooks as a good OLB project
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 27, 2010 5:39 AM PST reply actions
I'd definitely
take a 7th round flyer on O’Brien Schofield
by foosball4949 on Jan 27, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah he'd be worth a 7th round, maybe even 6th
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Go for him in the 6th
and rLott’s “boy” Stephen Williams in the 7th or vice versa and get my “boy” Lemarcus Coker as UDFA. LOL the all sleeper team. :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 27, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
I don't get it
Schofield is a bit small for a pass-rushing OLB (6’2" 1/8, 238). He had one good year. What gives? I guess a lot of TFL’s. Not better than a 7th or a UDFA to me.
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
Spillers, Bulaga ... and Iupati?
In Mobile, it’s sounding like the Packers are pretty impressed with Mike Iupati (who isn’t?), so much so that they might consider him with the 22nd pick in the first round of the draft. This caused me to ask “what would it take to beat Green Bay to the punch and fix both of our OL problems for the long, long term in the 2010 draft?”
New England has enough age and immediate problems that they probably wouldn’t entertain trading pick 21. But how about the Houston Texans at pick 20? Pick 20 in this year’s draft has a trade value of 850 points. What could we do to come up with that? We know where we’re drafting this year, but how about next year? Just for the sake of argument, let’s assume that we improve during 2010 but end up with the 20th pick next year (therefore, picks 20 and something like 52, 84, 116, etc. in the 2011 draft). Assuming that Houston would agree (a HUGE assumption), we could obtain the 20th pick this year in exchange for the 49th pick this year (410 points) and the 52nd (380 points) and 116th (62 points) picks next year; and, we would still have picks in rounds 1 (McDaniel?) and 3 (Forbath?) in the 2011 draft.
As a result, the 49ers select Spillers at 13, Bulaga at 16/17, and Iupati at 20. What do you think? Is there any logical reason why the Texans would bite?
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 27, 2010 11:30 AM PST reply actions
Three 1st round picks?
That doesn’t seem logical.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Why not?
Just need to get the teams involved to agree to the trade.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 27, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe if there is no cap.....
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by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
At 16 and 20
The money won’t be a big issue. They will be making Brandon Jones money.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 27, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
Long term?
You really expect to be able to re-sign Crabtree and three 1st round picks?
Or are you counting on one of them busting?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
I see
So we just shouldn’t sign any good players. Got it.
…
…
… Dude it doesn’t matter what round they come out in if they end up being great they get paid. The best DE in football got drafted in the 4th round and is payed through the nose.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 28, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
What?
So we just shouldn’t sign any good players. Got it.
How in the world do you jump so such wild conclusions?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Ack.
How in the world do you jump to such wild conclusions
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
I hope you're wrong.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 29, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Spiller, Iupati and Ducasse
more likely, or insert Tackle who might fall to the 2nd for the last pick of the three
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Looking like
Ducasse is going to be a late first so we’d have to move up to do that. I am liking Ducasse a lot in the RT position. We could trade down the 13 to a lower pick in the 20’s and get Iupati and Ducasse and have two solid guys at LG and RT.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 27, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
Not gonna be a late first I heard he was getting toasted in the senior bowl practices.
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Hmmm interesting
I’d kinda heard and read the opposite..wait who are you talking about? Iupati? Yeah he had some trouble with the tackle position and catching on but seemed to look good today. And I heard that Ducasse was looking good seemed to just need a bit of coaching. I’ll check back, just finished watching my taped versions of both practices and I’ll check some of the usual sites.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 27, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
Ducasse, I heard edge rushers were assaulting him.
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rLott was right
I found this deep down in the bowels of McShay’s stuff on the Senior Bowl.
“Ducasse did a better job getting his hands inside the defender’s frame today, though, and that’s a positive sign that he’s accepting coaching and applying it. Still, he has dropped into the second or third round at this point and is likely a better fit at guard. The team that drafts him will have to be patient no matter where it plans to play him because Ducasse is a developmental project no matter what. He has the tools to become an NFL starter but need a lot of work to refine them. "
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 28, 2010 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
blah blah
we’ll see. how many practices do these guys get once they come to camp? how many practices have they had this week to improve on NFL level technique? we’ll just see.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Ciron Black has received some praise, although he received a lot of haste on our boards in the offseason chat!!
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he'll play RT
which will help. He’s big and mean. He can handle power rushers and has shown quickness to be decent enough against some speed. As a RT I think he’ll be a beast.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
a guy like Ducasse would be the argument for NOT drafting a RT in round 1
If you can get a guy who doesn’t have the feet to be a LT, but who has some size, nastiness, and upside and you put him at RT, you’ve got great value. Then again, RT is such a huuuge need, I think OT in Round 1 is the Niners’ only option.
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
That's why trading up for Berry is still an option.
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Ducasse doesn't have the feet to be a RT either
Thats why he is fallling
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 28, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
hasn't had a good Sr. Bowl though
so he would be a project in pass blocking I think. Probably hurting his stock and falling to the second at this point.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
More over throws and floaters from Tebow today. I think he made a bad decision to come play in this Senior Bowl. If I was him, I’d tell Sparano to sit me and make up some excuse as to why I couldn’t play. I have a feeling he’s going to get demolished and make enough mistakes in that game to have his stock drop a full game.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I think it may have been good for him (not financially)
I kind of like how he wasn’t afraid to go out there and show who he really is.
He obviously needs work but he has shown that he’s willing to work to fix his poor play.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
If the Niners pick him, I will be finished with football. I will start watching hockey more or something.
I am sure you will start pulling for the NIners to draft him now after that comment… haha.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Absolutely not.
I admire the fact that he wants to get better but I don’t want the 49ers to be the team that gives him a chance.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
Was just joking with a coworker
about Tebow (he played safety for Auburn a while back so we talk about football a lot) and he said “He might go out west, to seattle” I laughed. Wouldn’t it be so sweet to see us next year beat teams headed by two heisman QBs?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 27, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
this
he’s not going to play games. He knows he’ll get drafted. He’s not greedy. He isn’t trying to fanagle his way into 1st round money or something, he just wants to play the way he knows how, work on his mechanics, and be himself.
That’s admirable. Kid is going to be fine financially. How much money do we all make?
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
I think it may have been good for him (not financially) I kind of like how he wasn’t afraid to go out there and show who he really is.
I don’t see how it’s good for him in any sense of how you twist it. He’s proving to the world what we are all afraid of… that he is a horrible prospect in the early rounds. So he’s not afraid to go out and show everyone he sucks? How does that bode well for him?
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
You forgot what I said right after that.
It feels like he admits he sucks but wants to get better.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
he doesn't care about 1st round money
he wants to show competitiveness, toughness, and that he’s not afraid, even if you hate his style, to play.
It’s good for HIM. Maybe not his wallet, but he’ll be fine in that department.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Did you guys not see me refference early round pick… I said nothing about the money.
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Singletary is at the Senior Bowl
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
So......?
I’m glad he’s doing his job.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
And you have the nerve to tell me not to be rude?
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Didn’t we know Singletary was at the Senior Bowl?
That’s where he interviewed/hired Ray Brown…..
I wasn’t trying to be rude.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
I didn’t see that he interviewed him there. You assumed.
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Mike Tomlin is there too.
So is Raheem Morris.
?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
I know he interviewed/hired him there
I also know that Jeff Ulbrich was there looking if there was a coaching opportunity somewhere.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
Ok? I didn’t know that initially and I didn’t know anyone else knew that, hence my comment. I just saw him on tv, so I mentioned it… not a big deal.
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Cool
I’m on twitter so I get all sorts of random 49er stuff.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
The "Other Taylor" is looking better than "THE Taylor" in the Senior Bowl
Taylor Price is looking good. I’d been kinda having my eye on him as a possibility for us fo a while and he’s been having a good Senior Bowl practice. Jacoby Ford looked a bit better today but Taylor’s looked good from first day of “camp”.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 27, 2010 9:18 PM PST reply actions
*Looks at rlott42*
Mock my projection but Taylor Price is 3rd round worthy!! if he can pull off the 4.3ish time he’s projected to run
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Andrew Quarless 4.Torell Troup 5.Mike Kafka 6.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Why are you looking at me supraman?
I am all for a speedy WR in this draft, espeially one that can assist in KR/PR!!
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Ah thought it was sarcam; my fault. *Looks away*
As you see my mock(in the sig), which is continuously updated, I am not for a speedy receiver that’s going to be a high draft pick. Rather steal Preston Paker in the 7th or UDFA then get him to KR and I believe he can beat out Brandon Jones for 4th receiver(If not this year, then the very next). I don’t see why Jason Hill has never been given a chance to PR. Other than it really seems like Hill is in Singletary’s doghouse.
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.Mike Kafka 6.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
If we came close to that mock, I would have to say it would be one of the worst drafts in the history of the franchise.
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All a matter of opinion
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.Mike Kafka 6.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
That's a horrible mock
Other than the Williams pick.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Could either of you be more specific?
Thompson, Troup, Quarless, Kafka .. players I hyped and mentioned before the East-West Shrine practices are now moving up the board.
Brandon Graham has replaced Jerry Hughes, in my mock, with his performance in the Senior Bowl. Graham did get the better of fan favorite Bulgala when they went head to head, so Graham I have always had high on my board.
Trent Williams has replaced Bruce Campbell since Campbell doesn’t look likely to be there at 13.
Quinton Andrews and Preston Parker, I doubt really anyone knows about them but they’ll probably move up into “draftable” positions come time of the combine.
Don’t expect this to turn into a lengthy argument as it did last time. If I can’t sway your opinion, then they’ll sway it for me.
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.Mike Kafka 6.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Thompson’s stock has been falling—he’s shown he can’t cover anyone at the Senior Bowl. Graham is a good LB but is a biiig reach at 17. I’d rather take a WR in the 3rd than a DT.
The Quarless pick isn’t bad. Rounds 5-7 are pretty much crapshoots no matter which way you go.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Thompson’s stock has been falling—he’s shown he can’t cover anyone at the Senior Bowl.
I’ll split the difference with you on this one. Thompson has been up and down in Senior Bowl practices. Early in the week he was amongst the standout players now he has been on the decline.
Kafka in my lonely opinion is the 3rd best QB prospect in this years draft. Behind him on my board is Snead, then follows Pike. I understand why people may doubt his skill but he has carried N’western on his back.
-Snead NEEDs to be more accurate make better decisions
-Pike NEEDs to gain bulk and show he can throw the ball consistently with the velocity.
Other than Clausen #1 Bradford #2 my QB ranks aren’t set in stone
Quinton Andrews IS replaceable on my mock. As of now though I don’t see a better safety selection in the 6th.
Preston Parker I think will be a steal. He was one of the up and coming stars at FSU before the McDonald’s incident. Poor man’s Golden Tate type of skill set.
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.Mike Kafka 6.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
The late rounds
are decent. I’m not opposed to taking a QB in the later rounds—in fact I had us taking Max Hall in the 5th with my first mock. It’s the first three rounds that I don’t like.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
when will Lefevour go?
he’s looked good this week
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Well you said that you’re okay with the Trent Williams pick, so the Graham, Thompson, and Troup picks you dislike? I assume.
Bulaga is one of your favorite linemen, and Graham did a pretty impressive job on him as I mentioned before when the 2 met. And like you said Graham is a “good LB”.. sure we can trade down late into the 1st round and still may be able to grab him but I’m just going off the given draft order.
Can’t wait to see Thompson this Saturday. Mainly to see if Thompson looks like he’s in any kind of pain. His ankle could still be bothering him and to me at least it would explain why he has went from great to struggling during these last few days.
Troup would be nice to have behind Franklin. I’m very suspicious of Franklin. Suddenly became a great player during his contract year. Maybe McC gives Franklin the Franchise Tag allowing Troup some time to at least get his feet wet. If Terrence Cody is still around in the 3rd, I wouldn’t mind taking him either.
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.Mike Kafka 6.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Again
Bulaga had just had a major thyroid issue and was back on the field for a couple practices before that game. I throw that out the window. In his own words he wasn’t a 100% for nearly a month after he came back.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 28, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
And that thyroid won't be an issue
just have to have it checked out once a month or so and that’s it.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Doesn’t fix one thing on offense and frankly besides Graham your defensive picks aren’ that good.
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It’s just not a realistic mock. Seems like a bunch of potentially average players at best in some cases.
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That's nice Drew K
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.Mike Kafka 6.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Bulaga's first game back from his Thyroid problem was against Graham
Take that game with a HUGE grain of salt.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 28, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Is Solari at the Senior Bowl?
I sure’s heck hope so. Let him pick his guys and shut up.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
meaning as it pertains to O-Line
if you’re Sing/FO
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
The best O-line guys
Are underclassmen. So why would he pick them there?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 28, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
out of the Seniors
This is a Sr. Bowl thread so I am saying as far as I’m concerned I hope Solari is the one evaluating the OL’s at the Sr. Bowl that would work best for his style.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
in addition to the Juniors
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Not sure
I know he coached the kids at the East-West game.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
I think you mean Schott
I didn’t think Solari was there…?
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Yes.
I confused them.
I go through so many tweets that I’m confusing coaches.
I’m going to take a break.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
me too
I think I have the key guys (Matt’s) plus PFT, Scheft, Mort, Joe Schad, etc. so that I rarely am very far behind the news. In fact, it’s painful to watch ESPN or NFLN because they are “reporting” things I read two days ago.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
so I've got
the two matts for Niner news, the 49er official site, Takeo, Ochocinco, Adam Schefter, Adam Brandt, Rich Eisen. Anybody I should add?
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Niners nation?
Fooch mentioned something about being on twitter.
I don’t think I’ll add him though….at least not yet.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Twitter.com/ninersnation
Until recently it was just re-posting all posts here. I’ve started adding some more comments there the last week or so.
by David Fucillo on Jan 28, 2010 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
a few maybe
ProFootballTalk – they break rumors first, speculation abound, and report about the same time as Schefter, sometimes sooner, sometimes later.
mortreport – he and Schefter break a lot of NFL stuff, Scheft usually more than mort but still…
schadjoe – Joe Schad knows which coaches, players, etc. are doing what in College football. He broke the declare or stay juniors before they officially announced it.
espn_nfcwest – if you like Sando’s insights you can get his blog posts tweeted and linked this way. Also reminds you of chats he’s having, etc.
FauxJohnMadden – just some pretty funny stuff. Schefter re-tweets a lot of his footballl related jokes.
49erswebzone – is good for recapping what the Matt’s and the official 49ers site has posted recently. In case the original tweet was 14 hours ago…they link to the blog posts and such periodically.
That’s about it for me. Like I said, rarely is there something that happened that I didn’t see the tweet unless I was on hiatus from the computer (ie. Disney with kids, etc.)
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
I've been looking for fantasy football injury updates on twitter.
I just recently started following Schefter so I don’t know if he goes through injury reports.
?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 29, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
He does inactive and actives before each game
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Good to know
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 29, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone think that if Cody is available in round 2 the niners snatch him up?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Chiefs would probably grab him, but I would in the second.
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admit that the last two defensive lineman they've drafted in the first round both suck balls? haha yay lsu... hahaha
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Hey, we got the other guy.
7th round pick though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 30, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
i feel that the niners should draft legarrett blount solely for the marketing synergy...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
because
“we hit people in the mouth”?
if we could get Cable too that would be sweet. then it wouldn’t be just talk anymore…
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Adds 3 words to that LOL
I think Singetary meant “We hit people on other teams in the mouth. Not our fellow coaches.” Just to clarify LOL (been using that joke for about 3 months now)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 30, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, but still
we didn’t hit people in the mouth much this year…so at least this way we could say we have guys who actually HAVE hit people in the mouth…
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
So you want to..
put Cable on the field? LOL Too many penalty yards. :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 1, 2010 6:27 AM PST up reply actions
no, but the statement will have more credibility
because we’ll have people who have recently hit people in the mouth…and can teach others how to do it.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
LOL hope you're joking
Or I’m misunderstanding. I thought you liked our new OL Coach.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 1, 2010 6:50 AM PST up reply actions
of course I am joking
i’m not an advocate of actually punching other players or your own coaches in the mouth.
I really am pumped about Solari and Brown coming to town. I hope they can get Chilo and Baas to the next level and help a rookie RT start and play well for us next year.
2010 is the year of Answers to the questions!
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
do you IM?
you’re one of the few east coasters…ie. you’re on when I am, not noon like the Cali guys.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
I'm usally on day time from work
Checking on it when I’m doing big compiles or running big reports or programs and such. I’ll get you my gmail if you want. Maybe use Fooch or Drew as a go between for passing the e-mail out. :-) That is if they are ok with it.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 1, 2010 7:43 AM PST up reply actions
yeah
I do Data Processing so there are plenty of times I’m waiting on a database update that takes 10 minutes or so…other times I’m just taking a break.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
emailed Fooch
I like to discuss things more real time, but I don’t know many 49ers fans that I have online connections with, or who know much of anything about the team in depth.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
if mays fell out of first rd
if he did, i might trade up a little to take him, but will not use a #13 or #16/#17 for taylor mays. lets see on draft day if he drops to 2nd rd. taylor mays is one of those examples where on the usc squad has lost a lot of money, lets take a look back: matt leinart? possibly the #1 pick to the niners, dropped to #12, following year. rey mauluga, dropped to 2nd rd last year, taylor mays will possibly drop to late first, early second. these guys could of been primed for first rd cash. lets take other players. sam bradford, possibly #1 pick last year, will still be top 10 but injury problems loom everytime he plays. jermaine gresham, could of been the first te drafted and possibly a mid first rounder. i think he will still be a first rounder but late to the 20’s, james laurinautis, possibly the top 10 pick to the pats dropped to the second overall pick in the second rd.malcom jenkins hurt himself, too. could of been top 10 but dropped out of top 10 because he really had a bad season. this year will be the case of: jake locker and ryan mallett and see if they become the next matt leinart or sam bradford. locker could of been the #1 pick depending on where the rams are. but he must have a good year to be a top pick next year, with mallett, terrelle pryor, case keenam on their heels. what if tebow came out last year, would he still be a first rounder? if he still lands in first rd this year, he made the right choice to stay.
is anyone going to create
an official NN Post-Senior Bowl thread to change where guys are looking to be drafted based on last week?
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Looks like
Rolle did the best for himself and Tebow probably did the worst for himself. Rolle it looks like from what I’m reading moved from like a solid 6th rounder to a 3rd to 4th rounder. Also Taylor Price did good for himself moving from looking like a 5th rounder to a 3rd round guy. NFL Draft Scout has Risers and Fallers and McShay has some “report cards” on some guys on ESPN Scouts Inc.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 1, 2010 8:07 AM PST up reply actions
i'm telling you
Rolle just has it. I can see it in his eyes. He’s going to work, study, play hard, do everything he needs to do to succeed. He’s big, fast, smart…I really hope Sing has his eye on him.
"If I were to walk down a dark alley in a bad part of town, I'd want Ray Brown with me. And if I were to have a nice dinner at a fine restaurant, I'd want Ray Brown with me." The Late Great McKittrick
Yeah I like him too
Not a great ballhawk but very intelligent back there in a spot that needs that. And he does have ball skills.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 1, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
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