Joey Porter???
NFL Network reported that Joey Porter did not like his role with the Dolphins last season and wants out of Miami. While we already have three pretty solid Outside Linebackers in Lawson, Haralson, and Brooks, obtaining Joey Porter could give us leverage in possibly dealing one of these guys for an extra pick or two in the upcoming draft. Being that this draft will be fully stocked with talent, this could be a viable option.
J-Peezy, as Rich Eisen likes to call him, would already be familiar in working as a 3-4 linebacker. Last year he recorded 9 sacks, and the year before that 18 Sacks. I definitely would not be opposed to the idea of Porter coming to San Francisco where he could thrive in. The only question I would have is, who would you dump for Porter? Lawson? Haralson? or Brooks?
Anyhow, I thought I would just throw this out there since it was somewhat breaking news a few minutes ago.
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The 49ers are definitely a LB friendly place and Singletary seems to be pretty good at dealing with attitude. Why get rid of Brooks Lawson or Haralson though? Who could we get depth-wise in the later rounds if we were to trade one of those guys for a later round pick?
Briggs is there still (which Sing is real high on). So one of the guys, which ever stayed, would be Porters back up. Porter pretty much wouldn’t come off the field. And I like the prospect Jason Cole from San Jose St. also. He might be a nice pick up on day 2 of the draft. Haralson or Lawson would probably be the best guy. Although, all three of those guys are all the same age, so Porter would only be good for a limited time. I am just throwing it out there because of the instant talent you plug in with him. No waiting for development.
With Brooks, Spikes, Willis, and Porter we’d have the best LB Corp in the NFL.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
And then maybe you keep Lawson for coverage which would leave Haralson left for the guy to trade I guess.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Porter seems like he could be a major upgrade ...
The question is simply, when he’s going to hit the downslope of his career? He’s had 11 seasons, so it’s hard to imagine he’s going to maintain his quality of play for more than another year or two.
I’m not sure what’s left on his contract, but if it’s two years or so, I’d welcome inheriting that contract.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Actually, he's not a free agent.
He is still has 2 more years left on his contract.
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Joey porter , wanted to wear the Red & Gold before going to Miami
I would trade Haralson before Lawson, Are maybe move Haralson or Lawson to ILB!
I don't see why anyone has to be traded.
Keep them all on the team and put Briggs on the practice squad.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
Briggs
would get snatched up off our practice squad, that may be a bad move to do that. With the potential that Sing talks about with him, I don’t know if I’d be willing to give up a young prospect like that. Maybe just have 5 OLB’s on the roster? It may be overkill though.
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As long as...
… Porter wouldn’t cost the team too much, I don’t see why having five OLBs on the same roster will hurt. Lawson will be in a contract year, and Haralson is signed for a fairly decent price (as will Brooks).
He's on the PS right now....
And 5 OLBs on the team isn’t a terrible idea as long as we cut out one of the ILBs.
No Matt Willhelm or Marques Harris.
This above situation, however, requires that Briggs play special teams.
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by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Briggs
He suited up from week 10 on and played some special teams. What are you talking about he’s on the PS now?? He was Haralson’s back up at the end of the year. I thought Marques Harris was already gone also…
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Harris only lasted a little while.
The point is that we don’t need a guy LIKE Harris or Wilhelm if Briggs can play ST.
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by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
actually he is listed as Lawson's backup
We already carry 4 OLBs so what’s one more? You can never have too many good pash rushers on a team. Worst case you have a great Special Teams with a bunch of FAST agile 250 lb Linebackers running to cover kicks and punts.
If he were added I would keep him and the others so we have depth, and he has a lot ot teach these guys here as well.
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He doesn't need to be dropped
He spent almost the entire year on the PS.
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by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Im not convinced that Haralson,Brooks, and Lawson are gonna cut it.
Parys wasnt the solid pass rusher we needed. Brooks just had a great surge at the end of the season. Manny is good against the run, he doesnt know how to use his speed in the pass rushing department and gets locked up ALL the time.
This team needs a defining Pass Rusher at OLB. Thats what the 3-4 is all about…pass rushing OLB’s, and right now it doesnt have that defining pass rusher….just 3 average to above average ones.
I don’t like Issac Sopoaga. I think he’s all about stopping the run, which is great and all, but he never warrants a double team, and can’t rush the passer at all. If we had another DE, maybe Richard Seymour, that could just do it all, this team would have the best 3-4 front 7 personnel in the NFL, especially if they also drafted/signed a good ILB to replace Spikes such as Kirk Morrison.
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Sopoaga
one thing that I noticed about him is that he always went after the ball. He wouldn’t give up on a play. Seymour would be amazing but would cost big money.
Go 49ers
re: Sopoaga
He did always go after the ball.
He got great penetration on a lot of outside runs and forced a lot of runs for negative yards.
He’s a great 2 down player but if a team runs a play-action pass against them on 1st down the QB will have all day to throw.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
Sopoga's job isn't to rush the passer.
It’s the anchor the defense and let the guys behind him – Lawson, Willis, Brooks – make plays.
And he did that pretty damn well this year.
He does a pretty good job of it too.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
Brooks looks legit though
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Jan 27, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
8 Games, 6 Sacks? Imagine what he can do with a full season and more reps…
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Half of those sacks came in 1 game.
Im not saying the guy is a fluke. I watched him being thrown in rotation at the beginning of the season and i watched him take the starting spot from Manny. His progress is apparent. But i dont want another Parys Haralson (last year) type thing to happen. Or another Tully Banta Cain thing (he was only used in rotation with the Pats when he came over to be a full time starter with the Niners).
It seems the Niners keep putting all their eggs in one basket when it comes to the Pass Rush. HOPING that players will build on signs of progress. And guess what…….. It hasnt paid off……at all. In fact, its done nothing but backfire.
The last true pass rushers the Niners had were Julian Peterson and Andre Carter. Wanna know what they had in common? They were both 1st round picks.
And they also had full playing time and didn’t have to “rotate” with other players. The Niners need to just name the starters at the beginning of the season and let it be those specific guys. With different packages, then and only then do you sub. When they are rotating all over the place, it’s not easy to gain momentum when there’s not any continuity. Yes, it keeps guys relatively “fresh” but it’s hard to get in a rythem. 1st pick has nothing to do with it. For every Julian Peterson, there’s five Kentwan Balmer’s or Todd Kelly’s. Manny Lawson was a 1st rounder too. Also, Carter’s second year was good with the Niners and other than that he didn’t do what the other guys currently are so there goes that theory…
They need to say this guy and this guy are our starters, if they get hurt, then they get replaced.
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Freeney played against the Cards and Brooks put up better numbers.
Cards gave up sacks and our deensive players had the best games.
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If there's one thing I took away from 2009
It’s that the 49ers LB crew (OLB and ILB) got it done. No, the team didn’t set the world on fire in terms of sacks, but Lawson and Harlason provided pretty darn good consistency. If the team grabs Porter, it doesn’t really get to guage the value of how far Brooks has come along. Brooks is still relatively young, so unless a stud OLB jumps out in the draft, I think the 49ers are set at OLB.
by Andrew Davidson on Jan 27, 2010 9:46 PM PST reply actions
Why couldn’t you play Brooks on one side and Porter on the other with Willis and Spikes in the middle?
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I suppose that wouldn’t be terrible, but then that’d be a disservice to Manny Lawson. Of course, seeing Porter and Brooks as PR specialists on third down wouldn’t. If you mean from a pure pass rushing situation, yeah, that would be cool. The big problem, would Porter want to be a third down specialist, and would he be willing to be paid as so?
by Andrew Davidson on Jan 28, 2010 7:16 AM PST up reply actions
sacks are the least of our worries
No, the team didn’t set the world on fire in terms of sacks
I’m actually pretty happy with the OLB trio of Lawson, Haralson, Briggs. The Niners were 3rd in the league in sacks. Bringing in a draft pick seems a better idea, since pass rushers tend to take a while to develop.
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
I agree
The Niners were 3rd in the league with sacks, but the highest individual player had 6.5 (Lawson). Not one guy filled up the stat sheet, they all contributed equally. Not exactly setting the world on fire, but getting the job done. I like the way the group played down the stretch, and I think they are developing into a solid crew.
by Andrew Davidson on Jan 28, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
I agree, too.
I would take a group of players who are contributing equally to becoming a “good” unit over a unit that heavily depends on one player any day.
He wouldn't mind being a third down specialist...
As long as he was also a first and second down specialist. In fact he sent our third down specialist off the field.
by Choose your screen name: on Jan 28, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
Yup
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Jan 29, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Don't forget where Brooks came from ILB
Could replace Spike’s, and you could use another veteran leadership with porter, after Spike’s is gone!
Brooks wasn't good at ILB
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by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
This was his finest moment at ILB--and it was as a pass rusher
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aErFwwUf9XE
(course you could call him an O-Line-Hurdler, but still…)
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
Porter in red in gold..
I always liked this idea. Even before he got a contract with Miami, I wanted to see a Porter, Spikes, Willis, Haralson as starting LBs. I think Porter is from California too… so I can’t see a negative in this. I say trade Lawson. He’s a bust due to expectations of his game changing ability and as a 1st round pick.
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
Trade Lawson??? Haralson was easily the worst of OLB's, I guess I will post it again!
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I don’t know about that… Haralson drew ALOT more double teams than Lawson which in some cases is more valuable than a slight edge on stats.
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He didn't draw that many double teams as the season progressed. Lawson made more plays when they were both single blocked.
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I saw him being doubled A LOT
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He was a big contributor in freeing Willis up on the run… and on pass plays it seemed like he ALWAYS had a Guard and a Tackle on him…or sometimes even a chip be a TE and then a Tackle to finish it up, and he’d even sometimes break through that but not have enough time to reach the QB.
If people don’t see it on a stat sheet, it’s like it never happened sometimes it seems like.
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I agree
Because of his breakout season last year, more and more teams paid attention to him. Regardless of his stats, I saw Haralson around the ball more than Lawson… even Ahmad Brooks got a chance to show his pass rushing skills because Lawson was ineffective.
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
Yeah that's why Brooks was put in
to give Lawson a kick in the pants. I think we’ll see Brooks the starter next year and Lawson the backup
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I hope not, then we will have two OLB's that have no coverage skills.
I would use lawson and brooks.
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I seen plenty of wiffs by Haralson and also seen him struggle in one on one, I watched games too.
I seen some doubles but not enough to say that it was all game every game. He really SUCKS when it comes to any type of pass coverage and that’s why I give the edge to Lawson.
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He doesn NOT SUCK… you are blowing things way out of proportion. Everybody on that team serves a different purpose. Lawson whiffs A LOT more than Haralson… he doesn’t wrap up as well that’s for certain and he doesn’t ever draw a double like Haralson does.
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On passing plays, spaz, Haralson whiffs on a lot of passing plays.
Truth is Lawson made more plays with his tackles, and he made more plays with his pressure.
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Lawson
isn’t drawing doubles. Easy
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Haralson is drawing doubles in the run game
No he is not. He should be making tackles as well.
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What do you mean whiff? That doesnt make sense
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extremmely bad plays in coverage. Play is developing in front of him and he just stands there.
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No he doesn't
I bet you can’t name 5-10 times this season that he has.
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I seen more than one screen used on his side of the field, as a matter of a fact more screens went to his side of the field.
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A screen is an entirely different beast than regular coverage
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Passes in the flat as well. Most of the time I seen him in the zone he gave up a completion
Te’s and Rb’s alike. Screens and routes, he made no plays in the passing game and forced no turnovers, I don’t see how he could be considered better than Lawson. He was double teamed is BS, it was not all season, he started out like that, but it dwindled away.
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When we got Favred please watch Haralson, he totally gave up on that play, no motor at all, he is our worst OLB.
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Are you serious?
He gave up? Favre ended up on the ground but good call. The LT initially got a good block on him but he made up for it and almost reached Favre.
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almost reached Favre in time… he was half a second late.
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That was Lawson
Haralson was not even a factor in that play.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 29, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Funny Drew, you are talking about Lawson and not Haralson
Try that crow.
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I dont care what you say, Lawson is not better than Haralson.
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Plus
Haralson has more career sacks in the same amount of years and less playing time than Lawson.
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Less playing time?
Lawson missed 14 games 1 year, and then had 1 year to recover, when that is the norm around the whole league. So when you figure that in you are once again wrong in that regard. Making the argument of him being better than Lawson, doesn’t appear true. Lawson has 12 sacks and Haralson 15.5 and Lawson missed a year and still has 4 FF’s while Haralson has the fat goose egg. I can agree we have a different opinion, but numbers appear that Manny is a better all around player.
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Uhhh …check Haralson’s ‘07 playing time and stats before you bring up Lawson’s 14 games missed. I am not wrong.
Point is, Haralson doesn’t SUCK as you suggested.
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Never suggested he sucks. He does in pass covearage though.
Point is Lawson is a better overall OLB.
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Not even gonna admit to being wrong? Ok
Lawson’s season this year was better than Haralson last year. I don’t see hwo he IS NOT better.
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It depends, Drew
Lawson is better than Haralson in a few areas.
The only thing that I think makes Haralson a bit better than Lawson is the fact that he is more consistent with his pass rush.
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by SportsChicken on Jan 29, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
He isn’t one dimensional but think what you will. Next season he should receive less doubles so we will see who is better then.
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Depends on who gets the playing time. Hopefully the better all around player does.
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Thank you for putting this in perspective.
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That the more 1 dimensional player is better?
That is laughable.
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Haralson isn’t one-dimensional. He has different responsibilities, he plays a different position than Lawson. There is no way you can prove that is true
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Not good against the run or pass, better at pass rush
That would be 1 out of 3
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He free’s up the ILB’s for the run to his side, it’s part of his job. What part of they have different assignments on different schemes and plays is hard to get?
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Sounds like an excuse.
I would imagine it would be the same case for Lawson then.
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Lawson is a first round pick and playing below par for where he was picked. Haralson was a 5th round pick and has more career sacks than Lawson.
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So it's the players fault he was drafted higher than he should.
He should have better numbers he had a whole season more to play. Lawson still has more forced turnovers in less games.
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I remember the same kind of arguments about Goldson early on in the year too... he SUCKS this and that, blah, blah, blah
You were talking all this negative stuff about Goldson at the beginning of the year and he stepped up to be a pretty awesome player in the second half of the season… I hope that you jinx Haralson in the same way.
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LOL
I stil don’t think he has deep cover skill and Lawson is a better all around OLB. That is my opinion, are you the only one on this site entitled to that? And again you could at least admit you were wrong about Haralson giving up on the Favre play and Lawson a splut second too late. I hear you say you admit being wrong, but you are delusional.
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Lawson doesn’t have deep cover skills either, that’s why he plays linebacker.
Where was Haralson on the field?
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Nevermind, I saw him. He looked like he was being doubled by the center and guard to me. The entire defensive line didn’t look like they were going full speed though. And I did get the wtwo mixed up initially because they normally play the opposite sides of what they were playing on that specific play. But it’s one play none the less, not an entire season.
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They do a lot more switching that, he was doubled, but he gave up and that should be plain to see. If it was everyone that gave up, at least Lawson didn't
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I was talking about Goldson, why would a linebacker have deep cover skills?
Haralson was at LDE and went to the inside pressure and GAVE UP, way before the play was over.
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He stopped when Favre was in his throwing mostion and he was 10 yards away from him. By your standard Justin Smith gave up to then cause he didn’t bounce up off the ground in enough time to get Favre.
AGAIN, it’s one play… and not a very good example at that. It’s not a clear example at all
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he gave up at the 3second mark and favre threw it at the 6 second mark
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He is 8 yards away and getting blocked in the back. Youdont see that??
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Probably closer to 10+ actaully because I am not accounting for the angle
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I don't think the whole play is sinking in!
Had he had any ambition, he could have made a play.
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alright drew bck to the post
Who was it talking about?…….lol
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Joey Porter???
I think? I lost track…lol
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Mosty of the time
he doesn’t even drop back in coverage… he is a PASS RUSHING LB. LAWSON IS NOT
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I think you have been confusing the two all season as well.
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You're going to draw more doubles when you are labeled this coming in to a season... plain and simple!
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-countdowns/09000d5d81231ac3/NFC-West-Top-5-breakout-players
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Being labled a breakout player doesn't mean that is what you are.
He was not doubled that much, he had plenty of one on ones and just was not productive. he didn’t take advantage of one on ones.
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Yes he was, you are wrong lott, sorry. He had 8 sacks coming in to the season. Of course teams are going to pay more attention to you. That’s just how it goes, it’s not hard to put one and one together. Lawson doesn’t draw doubles because he doesn’t threaten teams like Haralson does.
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But I seen plenty of one on ones in which he got absolutely no pressure, you say this as if he was double teamsed every down he played
Lawson is better in run support IMO.
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Lawson is better in run support IMO.
This is true.
He’s better in coverage as well.
Each player serves his purpose though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
Our defense did better with Brooks and Lawson than Lawson and Haralson and Haralson and Brooks.
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Brooks replaced Lawson though.
I don’t think Brooks and Lawson were on the field at the same time too much this season.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 29, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Not alot. Haralson and Lawson saw most of the snaps. When Brooks cam in, he mostly subbed for Lawson
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I didn’t say it NEVER happened, I said it didn’t happen frequently, which is a fact.
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you said this:
Oh yeah they were.
in response to this:
I don’t think Brooks and Lawson were on the field at the same time too much this season.
Which was an insinuation that they are on the field alot together which is not true.
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This doesn't insinuate anything
I seen them on the field together vs the cards
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He has 2 years left on his contract I believe. We would pick whatever is left up.
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How much would the Dolphins ask for?
A 2nd?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 30, 2010 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
Couple of questions possibly silly ones
Are we 100% sure that the Dolphins have to let him go with no compensation? I mean if I was the Dolphins I woudn’t let someone go without getting my piece and it seems he’s signed thru 2012.
Also Drew based on this being broached by you do you feel the need for increasing the pass rush from LB to be greater than you did before? Just wondering
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 30, 2010 10:35 AM PST reply actions
You are correct, he is signed with us thru 2012.
So we wouldn’t have to let him go without compensation. As far as what we would take for him, I guess that depends on how much interest we get from other teams.
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this is great
but the niners need to close it and sign him. they need to actually make things happen. if they got porter we would be able to deal one of the other talented LBs (not Lawson or Willis of course) and get a pick or something else out of it. I also believe the niners need to step up and sign josh cribbs. he is a great all around back and would give the special teams the super boost they need. i think cj spiller would also be a great option for the niners here but they need to focus their picks on offensive line and other necessities
by nhlogan on Feb 3, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
LBs
i would not mind getting rid of takeo spikes but only for porter. i also think that they should not touch parys haralson and scott mckillop
by nhlogan on Feb 3, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Takeo Spikes
Why would you get rid of him?
He plays TILB, Porter would probably be at WOLB.
Two completely different positions.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 3, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions

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