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Joey Porter???

 NFL Network reported that Joey Porter did not like his role with the Dolphins last season and wants out of Miami. While we already have three pretty solid Outside Linebackers in Lawson, Haralson, and Brooks, obtaining Joey Porter could give us leverage in possibly dealing one of these guys for an extra pick or two in the upcoming draft. Being that this draft will be fully stocked with talent, this could be a viable option.

J-Peezy, as Rich Eisen likes to call him, would already be familiar in working as a 3-4 linebacker. Last year he recorded 9 sacks, and the year before that 18 Sacks. I definitely would not be opposed to the idea of Porter coming to San Francisco where he could thrive in. The only question I would have is, who would you dump for Porter? Lawson? Haralson? or Brooks?

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Anyhow, I thought I would just throw this out there since it was somewhat breaking news a few minutes ago.

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Would you welcome the idea of Joey Porter becoming a 49er?
Yes, he'd be an awesome fit in production and attitude!
83 votes
On the fence, there are pro's and con's... just depends.
66 votes
No way! Porter has attitude problems that Sing could not fix.
20 votes

169 votes | Poll has closed

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The 49ers are definitely a LB friendly place and Singletary seems to be pretty good at dealing with attitude. Why get rid of Brooks Lawson or Haralson though? Who could we get depth-wise in the later rounds if we were to trade one of those guys for a later round pick?

by mat.esty on Jan 27, 2010 1:59 PM PST reply actions  

Briggs is there still (which Sing is real high on). So one of the guys, which ever stayed, would be Porters back up. Porter pretty much wouldn’t come off the field. And I like the prospect Jason Cole from San Jose St. also. He might be a nice pick up on day 2 of the draft. Haralson or Lawson would probably be the best guy. Although, all three of those guys are all the same age, so Porter would only be good for a limited time. I am just throwing it out there because of the instant talent you plug in with him. No waiting for development.

With Brooks, Spikes, Willis, and Porter we’d have the best LB Corp in the NFL.

Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?

by Drew Kerr on Jan 27, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

And then maybe you keep Lawson for coverage which would leave Haralson left for the guy to trade I guess.

Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?

by Drew Kerr on Jan 27, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

LBBC

Do it with both sides of the lines.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Jan 27, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Porter seems like he could be a major upgrade ...

The question is simply, when he’s going to hit the downslope of his career? He’s had 11 seasons, so it’s hard to imagine he’s going to maintain his quality of play for more than another year or two.

by Ronaldinho on Jan 27, 2010 2:23 PM PST reply actions  

I’m not sure what’s left on his contract, but if it’s two years or so, I’d welcome inheriting that contract.

Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?

by Drew Kerr on Jan 27, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure he’s a FA.

by mat.esty on Jan 27, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, he's not a free agent.

He is still has 2 more years left on his contract.

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by Chupathingy on Jan 28, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Joey porter , wanted to wear the Red & Gold before going to Miami

I would trade Haralson before Lawson, Are maybe move Haralson or Lawson to ILB!

by clrncbll on Jan 27, 2010 2:29 PM PST reply actions  

You cant move those guys to ILB. They’ve never done it before and they dont have the build for it

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 27, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

ILB

I think Haralson has the build to play inside. The mentality? I’m not sure. I definitely agree that Lawson doesn’t fit inside, though.

by sfgfan on Jan 27, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see why anyone has to be traded.

Keep them all on the team and put Briggs on the practice squad.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 2:33 PM PST reply actions  

Briggs

would get snatched up off our practice squad, that may be a bad move to do that. With the potential that Sing talks about with him, I don’t know if I’d be willing to give up a young prospect like that. Maybe just have 5 OLB’s on the roster? It may be overkill though.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 27, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

As long as...

… Porter wouldn’t cost the team too much, I don’t see why having five OLBs on the same roster will hurt. Lawson will be in a contract year, and Haralson is signed for a fairly decent price (as will Brooks).

by sfgfan on Jan 27, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

He's on the PS right now....

And 5 OLBs on the team isn’t a terrible idea as long as we cut out one of the ILBs.
No Matt Willhelm or Marques Harris.

This above situation, however, requires that Briggs play special teams.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Briggs

He suited up from week 10 on and played some special teams. What are you talking about he’s on the PS now?? He was Haralson’s back up at the end of the year. I thought Marques Harris was already gone also…

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 27, 2010 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Harris only lasted a little while.

The point is that we don’t need a guy LIKE Harris or Wilhelm if Briggs can play ST.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

actually he is listed as Lawson's backup

We already carry 4 OLBs so what’s one more? You can never have too many good pash rushers on a team. Worst case you have a great Special Teams with a bunch of FAST agile 250 lb Linebackers running to cover kicks and punts.

by hudd07 on Jan 28, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

O YA!!!

sing him ASAP and drop Briggs

by VINNIE MAC on Jan 27, 2010 4:19 PM PST reply actions  

He doesn't need to be dropped

He spent almost the entire year on the PS.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Im not convinced that Haralson,Brooks, and Lawson are gonna cut it.

Parys wasnt the solid pass rusher we needed. Brooks just had a great surge at the end of the season. Manny is good against the run, he doesnt know how to use his speed in the pass rushing department and gets locked up ALL the time.

This team needs a defining Pass Rusher at OLB. Thats what the 3-4 is all about…pass rushing OLB’s, and right now it doesnt have that defining pass rusher….just 3 average to above average ones.

by Beatclash on Jan 27, 2010 5:17 PM PST reply actions  

I don’t like Issac Sopoaga. I think he’s all about stopping the run, which is great and all, but he never warrants a double team, and can’t rush the passer at all. If we had another DE, maybe Richard Seymour, that could just do it all, this team would have the best 3-4 front 7 personnel in the NFL, especially if they also drafted/signed a good ILB to replace Spikes such as Kirk Morrison.

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by Ramah71 on Jan 27, 2010 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Sopoaga

one thing that I noticed about him is that he always went after the ball. He wouldn’t give up on a play. Seymour would be amazing but would cost big money.

Go 49ers

by iaalexeeff on Jan 27, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

re: Sopoaga

He did always go after the ball.
He got great penetration on a lot of outside runs and forced a lot of runs for negative yards.

He’s a great 2 down player but if a team runs a play-action pass against them on 1st down the QB will have all day to throw.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Sopoga's job isn't to rush the passer.

It’s the anchor the defense and let the guys behind him – Lawson, Willis, Brooks – make plays.

And he did that pretty damn well this year.

by Ronaldinho on Jan 27, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

He does a pretty good job of it too.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 27, 2010 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Brooks looks legit though

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by 49erSalvatrucha on Jan 27, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

8 Games, 6 Sacks? Imagine what he can do with a full season and more reps…

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 27, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Half of those sacks came in 1 game.

Im not saying the guy is a fluke. I watched him being thrown in rotation at the beginning of the season and i watched him take the starting spot from Manny. His progress is apparent. But i dont want another Parys Haralson (last year) type thing to happen. Or another Tully Banta Cain thing (he was only used in rotation with the Pats when he came over to be a full time starter with the Niners).

It seems the Niners keep putting all their eggs in one basket when it comes to the Pass Rush. HOPING that players will build on signs of progress. And guess what…….. It hasnt paid off……at all. In fact, its done nothing but backfire.

The last true pass rushers the Niners had were Julian Peterson and Andre Carter. Wanna know what they had in common? They were both 1st round picks.

by Beatclash on Jan 27, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

And they also had full playing time and didn’t have to “rotate” with other players. The Niners need to just name the starters at the beginning of the season and let it be those specific guys. With different packages, then and only then do you sub. When they are rotating all over the place, it’s not easy to gain momentum when there’s not any continuity. Yes, it keeps guys relatively “fresh” but it’s hard to get in a rythem. 1st pick has nothing to do with it. For every Julian Peterson, there’s five Kentwan Balmer’s or Todd Kelly’s. Manny Lawson was a 1st rounder too. Also, Carter’s second year was good with the Niners and other than that he didn’t do what the other guys currently are so there goes that theory…

They need to say this guy and this guy are our starters, if they get hurt, then they get replaced.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 27, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Freeney played against the Cards and Brooks put up better numbers.

Cards gave up sacks and our deensive players had the best games.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 27, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

If there's one thing I took away from 2009

It’s that the 49ers LB crew (OLB and ILB) got it done. No, the team didn’t set the world on fire in terms of sacks, but Lawson and Harlason provided pretty darn good consistency. If the team grabs Porter, it doesn’t really get to guage the value of how far Brooks has come along. Brooks is still relatively young, so unless a stud OLB jumps out in the draft, I think the 49ers are set at OLB.

by Andrew Davidson on Jan 27, 2010 9:46 PM PST reply actions  

Why couldn’t you play Brooks on one side and Porter on the other with Willis and Spikes in the middle?

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 27, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I suppose that wouldn’t be terrible, but then that’d be a disservice to Manny Lawson. Of course, seeing Porter and Brooks as PR specialists on third down wouldn’t. If you mean from a pure pass rushing situation, yeah, that would be cool. The big problem, would Porter want to be a third down specialist, and would he be willing to be paid as so?

by Andrew Davidson on Jan 28, 2010 7:16 AM PST up reply actions  

sacks are the least of our worries
No, the team didn’t set the world on fire in terms of sacks

I’m actually pretty happy with the OLB trio of Lawson, Haralson, Briggs. The Niners were 3rd in the league in sacks. Bringing in a draft pick seems a better idea, since pass rushers tend to take a while to develop.

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by grantmp on Jan 28, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

The Niners were 3rd in the league with sacks, but the highest individual player had 6.5 (Lawson). Not one guy filled up the stat sheet, they all contributed equally. Not exactly setting the world on fire, but getting the job done. I like the way the group played down the stretch, and I think they are developing into a solid crew.

by Andrew Davidson on Jan 28, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree, too.

I would take a group of players who are contributing equally to becoming a “good” unit over a unit that heavily depends on one player any day.

by sfgfan on Jan 29, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

He wouldn't mind being a third down specialist...

As long as he was also a first and second down specialist. In fact he sent our third down specialist off the field.

by Choose your screen name: on Jan 28, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

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by 49erSalvatrucha on Jan 29, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't forget where Brooks came from ILB

Could replace Spike’s, and you could use another veteran leadership with porter, after Spike’s is gone!

by clrncbll on Jan 28, 2010 7:51 AM PST reply actions  

Brooks wasn't good at ILB

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

This was his finest moment at ILB--and it was as a pass rusher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aErFwwUf9XE
(course you could call him an O-Line-Hurdler, but still…)

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by grantmp on Jan 28, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

OLH

His agent could create a new position for him!

by sfgfan on Jan 28, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Porter in red in gold..

I always liked this idea. Even before he got a contract with Miami, I wanted to see a Porter, Spikes, Willis, Haralson as starting LBs. I think Porter is from California too… so I can’t see a negative in this. I say trade Lawson. He’s a bust due to expectations of his game changing ability and as a 1st round pick.

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Jan 28, 2010 12:48 PM PST reply actions  

I don’t know about that… Haralson drew ALOT more double teams than Lawson which in some cases is more valuable than a slight edge on stats.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 28, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw him being doubled A LOT

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 28, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

He was a big contributor in freeing Willis up on the run… and on pass plays it seemed like he ALWAYS had a Guard and a Tackle on him…or sometimes even a chip be a TE and then a Tackle to finish it up, and he’d even sometimes break through that but not have enough time to reach the QB.

If people don’t see it on a stat sheet, it’s like it never happened sometimes it seems like.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 28, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

Because of his breakout season last year, more and more teams paid attention to him. Regardless of his stats, I saw Haralson around the ball more than Lawson… even Ahmad Brooks got a chance to show his pass rushing skills because Lawson was ineffective.

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Jan 28, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah that's why Brooks was put in

to give Lawson a kick in the pants. I think we’ll see Brooks the starter next year and Lawson the backup

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by smileyman on Jan 28, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

If people don’t see it on a stat sheet, it’s like it never happened sometimes it seems like.

+1000

by Ronaldinho on Jan 28, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I seen plenty of wiffs by Haralson and also seen him struggle in one on one, I watched games too.

I seen some doubles but not enough to say that it was all game every game. He really SUCKS when it comes to any type of pass coverage and that’s why I give the edge to Lawson.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 28, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

He doesn NOT SUCK… you are blowing things way out of proportion. Everybody on that team serves a different purpose. Lawson whiffs A LOT more than Haralson… he doesn’t wrap up as well that’s for certain and he doesn’t ever draw a double like Haralson does.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 28, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

On passing plays, spaz, Haralson whiffs on a lot of passing plays.

Truth is Lawson made more plays with his tackles, and he made more plays with his pressure.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 28, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Lawson

isn’t drawing doubles. Easy

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 28, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Haralson is drawing doubles in the run game

No he is not. He should be making tackles as well.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 28, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

What do you mean whiff? That doesnt make sense

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 28, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

He does suck in pass coverage

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by rlott#42 on Jan 28, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

No he doesn't

I bet you can’t name 5-10 times this season that he has.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 28, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Passes in the flat as well. Most of the time I seen him in the zone he gave up a completion

Te’s and Rb’s alike. Screens and routes, he made no plays in the passing game and forced no turnovers, I don’t see how he could be considered better than Lawson. He was double teamed is BS, it was not all season, he started out like that, but it dwindled away.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 28, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you serious?

He gave up? Favre ended up on the ground but good call. The LT initially got a good block on him but he made up for it and almost reached Favre.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

almost reached Favre in time… he was half a second late.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Again that was Lawson, the better of the two.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

That was Lawson

Haralson was not even a factor in that play.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 29, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Funny Drew, you are talking about Lawson and not Haralson

Try that crow.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I dont care what you say, Lawson is not better than Haralson.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus

Haralson has more career sacks in the same amount of years and less playing time than Lawson.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Less playing time?

Lawson missed 14 games 1 year, and then had 1 year to recover, when that is the norm around the whole league. So when you figure that in you are once again wrong in that regard. Making the argument of him being better than Lawson, doesn’t appear true. Lawson has 12 sacks and Haralson 15.5 and Lawson missed a year and still has 4 FF’s while Haralson has the fat goose egg. I can agree we have a different opinion, but numbers appear that Manny is a better all around player.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Uhhh …check Haralson’s ‘07 playing time and stats before you bring up Lawson’s 14 games missed. I am not wrong.

Point is, Haralson doesn’t SUCK as you suggested.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Never suggested he sucks. He does in pass covearage though.

Point is Lawson is a better overall OLB.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Not even gonna admit to being wrong? Ok

Lawson’s season this year was better than Haralson last year. I don’t see hwo he IS NOT better.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

It depends, Drew

Lawson is better than Haralson in a few areas.

The only thing that I think makes Haralson a bit better than Lawson is the fact that he is more consistent with his pass rush.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 29, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

so the more 1 deminsional player is better?

How?

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

He isn’t one dimensional but think what you will. Next season he should receive less doubles so we will see who is better then.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you for putting this in perspective.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

That the more 1 dimensional player is better?

That is laughable.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Haralson isn’t one-dimensional. He has different responsibilities, he plays a different position than Lawson. There is no way you can prove that is true

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Not good against the run or pass, better at pass rush

That would be 1 out of 3

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

He free’s up the ILB’s for the run to his side, it’s part of his job. What part of they have different assignments on different schemes and plays is hard to get?

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like an excuse.

I would imagine it would be the same case for Lawson then.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Lawson is a first round pick and playing below par for where he was picked. Haralson was a 5th round pick and has more career sacks than Lawson.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

So it's the players fault he was drafted higher than he should.

He should have better numbers he had a whole season more to play. Lawson still has more forced turnovers in less games.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember the same kind of arguments about Goldson early on in the year too... he SUCKS this and that, blah, blah, blah

You were talking all this negative stuff about Goldson at the beginning of the year and he stepped up to be a pretty awesome player in the second half of the season… I hope that you jinx Haralson in the same way.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

I stil don’t think he has deep cover skill and Lawson is a better all around OLB. That is my opinion, are you the only one on this site entitled to that? And again you could at least admit you were wrong about Haralson giving up on the Favre play and Lawson a splut second too late. I hear you say you admit being wrong, but you are delusional.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

split

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Lawson doesn’t have deep cover skills either, that’s why he plays linebacker.

Where was Haralson on the field?

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Nevermind, I saw him. He looked like he was being doubled by the center and guard to me. The entire defensive line didn’t look like they were going full speed though. And I did get the wtwo mixed up initially because they normally play the opposite sides of what they were playing on that specific play. But it’s one play none the less, not an entire season.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I was talking about Goldson, why would a linebacker have deep cover skills?

Haralson was at LDE and went to the inside pressure and GAVE UP, way before the play was over.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

He stopped when Favre was in his throwing mostion and he was 10 yards away from him. By your standard Justin Smith gave up to then cause he didn’t bounce up off the ground in enough time to get Favre.

AGAIN, it’s one play… and not a very good example at that. It’s not a clear example at all

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un3B7Og-FS0

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

He is 8 yards away and getting blocked in the back. Youdont see that??

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably closer to 10+ actaully because I am not accounting for the angle

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think the whole play is sinking in!

Had he had any ambition, he could have made a play.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Doubtful

He was doubled at the beginning as I said before

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

alright drew bck to the post

Who was it talking about?…….lol

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Joey Porter???

I think? I lost track…lol

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Mosty of the time

he doesn’t even drop back in coverage… he is a PASS RUSHING LB. LAWSON IS NOT

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 28, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

So how can you compare the two

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by rlott#42 on Jan 28, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

nope

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Being labled a breakout player doesn't mean that is what you are.

He was not doubled that much, he had plenty of one on ones and just was not productive. he didn’t take advantage of one on ones.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 28, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes he was, you are wrong lott, sorry. He had 8 sacks coming in to the season. Of course teams are going to pay more attention to you. That’s just how it goes, it’s not hard to put one and one together. Lawson doesn’t draw doubles because he doesn’t threaten teams like Haralson does.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 28, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Lawson is better in run support IMO.

This is true.
He’s better in coverage as well.

Each player serves his purpose though.

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by SportsChicken on Jan 28, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

?

Brooks replaced Lawson though.

I don’t think Brooks and Lawson were on the field at the same time too much this season.

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by SportsChicken on Jan 29, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah they were

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Not alot. Haralson and Lawson saw most of the snaps. When Brooks cam in, he mostly subbed for Lawson

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I seen them on the field together vs the cards

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn’t say it NEVER happened, I said it didn’t happen frequently, which is a fact.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't say it is ALWAYS the case neither.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

you said this:

Oh yeah they were.

in response to this:

I don’t think Brooks and Lawson were on the field at the same time too much this season.

Which was an insinuation that they are on the field alot together which is not true.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

This doesn't insinuate anything
I seen them on the field together vs the cards

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Still doesn't mean always

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by rlott#42 on Jan 29, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

He has 2 years left on his contract I believe. We would pick whatever is left up.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 29, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

How much would the Dolphins ask for?

A 2nd?

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by SportsChicken on Jan 30, 2010 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Brooks....

would learn a lot from Porter, This would be perfect for our pass rush..

by GMARCH on Jan 29, 2010 9:05 PM PST reply actions  

Couple of questions possibly silly ones

Are we 100% sure that the Dolphins have to let him go with no compensation? I mean if I was the Dolphins I woudn’t let someone go without getting my piece and it seems he’s signed thru 2012.

Also Drew based on this being broached by you do you feel the need for increasing the pass rush from LB to be greater than you did before? Just wondering

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 30, 2010 10:35 AM PST reply actions  

You are correct, he is signed with us thru 2012.

So we wouldn’t have to let him go without compensation. As far as what we would take for him, I guess that depends on how much interest we get from other teams.

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by Chupathingy on Feb 2, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

this is great

but the niners need to close it and sign him. they need to actually make things happen. if they got porter we would be able to deal one of the other talented LBs (not Lawson or Willis of course) and get a pick or something else out of it. I also believe the niners need to step up and sign josh cribbs. he is a great all around back and would give the special teams the super boost they need. i think cj spiller would also be a great option for the niners here but they need to focus their picks on offensive line and other necessities

by nhlogan on Feb 3, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

LBs

i would not mind getting rid of takeo spikes but only for porter. i also think that they should not touch parys haralson and scott mckillop

by nhlogan on Feb 3, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Takeo Spikes

Why would you get rid of him?
He plays TILB, Porter would probably be at WOLB.
Two completely different positions.

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