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The Arizona Cardinals 2010 opponents: The Kurt Warner Effect

There are a million and one things to discuss now that Kurt Warner has announced his retirement.  The effect on the NFC West is obviously huge so we'll have plenty to discuss in the coming months.  Given that this is a rather quiet weekend (Senior Bowl/Pro Bowl), I thought we'd kick things off with a look at the Arizona Cardinals list of opponents.  I thought it'd be fun to make some quick projections for each opponent based on with and without Warner.  Nothing too long and complicated, but just something to get the conversation rolling.

The 49ers swept the Cardinals last season, so we know they can handle the Cardinals, with or without Warner.  Obviously a lot depends on what the Cardinals do at the quarterback, and how the rest of the team steps up without Warner.  The question now is how the Cardinals will do in all their other games.  Much of this is just throwing crap against a wall and seeing what sticks.  After all, Matt Leinart seems to be the QB of 2010 right now, but who really knows at this point.  Maybe the make a run at Donovan McNabb?  And if he is the guy for next season, will he step up and becoming a legit NFL QB?  Who knows, but it's fun speculating.  For now we'll operate under the assumption that the Cardinals 2010 QB is in the house now, or might be drafted (we won't project free agents).

St. Louis Rams
With Warner: The Rams are in full-on rebuilding mode.  If Kurt Warner had not retired, it's safe to say the Cardinals would be looking at a pair of wins against the Rams (as would the 49ers).

Without Warner: Given that the Rams are in full-on rebuilding mode, it would seem likely that the Cardinals should be able to take care of business no matter who is at the helm of this ship.  An upset is possible, particularly if Matt Leinart does not prove to be the answer, but I'll say 2 wins for the Cardinals for now.

Seattle Seahawks
With Warner: The Seahawks have themselves a new head coach in Pete Carroll, but they have a million question marks of their own.  The Seahawks were swept by Arizona last year, so depending on what they do at the QB position, among others, a sweep certainly is possible in 2010.

Without Warner: A sweep seems a lot less likely, particularly given that Seattle can be a tough team to beat at Qwest Field.  Depending on how the rest of the season goes, Arizona @ Seattle could be a difference-maker.  I'll say split for now.

After the jump we look outside the division and provide our first projection of the offseason for the Cardinals...

Star-divide

New Orleans (Home)
With Warner: They were crushed in a game many thought could be a shootout.  New Orleans might be a slim favorite among the bookies, and I would probably expect a Saints win, although it might be close, depending on when the game happens.

Without Warner: Sorry, but no matter who's QBing this team (except maybe McNabb), this is marked up as a loss on the schedule.

Tampa Bay (Home)
With Warner: The Bucs are re-building and are an expected win.  Simple as that.

Without Warner: Even Matt Leinart can beat the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.  Maybe an upset could be in the offing, but I just don't see it happening.  Cardinals win.

Denver (Home)
With Warner: The Broncos are a tough team to figure out, and given that the 49ers will be playing them in England, we'll have plenty to say about them.  If Warner was in town though, I'd argue win for the Cardinals.

Without Warner: I think it's still a win, but could be an incredibly tough battle.  And with a new defensive coordinator, who really knows.  I'll go with the win because I just am not feeling Josh McDaniel after the way they finished 2009.

Oakland (Home)
With Warner: Win, plain and simple.  These are the Raid-uhs after all.  Yes they've sprung some big upsets, but I'm just not feeling it.

Without Warner: The Raiders are one of the hardest franchises in the league to figure out at this point.  They pulled some big upsets last season (see Steelers, Eagles, Broncos), with the Steelers and Broncos wins happening on the road.  So clearly a win is possible.  This game officially becomes a toss-up in my opinion.

Dallas (Home)
With Warner: A likely shoot-out, but I think under Warner this is probably a win.  I wouldn't be surprised by a loss, but the Cardinals would have had a good shot to win this.

Without Warner: Are we talking old school December choking Dallas Cowboys, or are we talking about the team that wiped the floor with Philly back-to-back weeks.  Dallas should be able to win this game, but this is a tough one.  I'd lean towards Dallas, but this could also be a toss-up.

Atlanta (Road)
With Warner: If the Falcons were healthy and ready to go, I think they'd be favored, and would spring the upset.  A lot would have depended on how Michael Turner bounced back in 2010 (a big question for the Falcons).

Without Warner: I think Atlanta is a serious favorite and can take care of business in this game if healthy.  Mark it up as an Atlanta win.

Carolina (Road)
With Warner: Is Jake Delhomme out of the picture?  Carolina walked in to Arizona last season and wiped the floor with the Cardinals in a rather shocking outcome.  Given that, maybe it's a Carolina win, but who really knows given the QB situation in Carolina.

Without Warner: We could have some abysmal quarterbacks on display if Matt Leinart doesn't step up.  Him potentially battling Matt Moore would just be awful.  Given the Panthers rushing attack I'd go with the Panthers in this instance.

Kansas City (Road)
With Warner: The Chiefs suck and are rebuilding, plain and simple.  A Warner-led Cardinals team would handle them with ease.

Without Warner: I think the Cardinals still win, but it could be a bit more interesting.  However, we'll stick with a Cardinals win.

San Diego (Road)
With Warner: The fightin' Norv Turners continue to disappoint in the postseason, but this would be one of the better matchups of 2010 during the regular season.  A "Super Bowl preview" if you will given that people would be jumping all over both these bandwagons.

Without Warner: I think San Diego takes care of business.  As long as this isn't the playoffs, Norv, LT, and Philip Rivers would lead the Chargers to victory.

Minnesota (Road)
With Warner: Now that Warner has retired, will Brett Favre get his crap together and get an announcement out soon?  This game becomes impossible to predict, in my opinion without Favre.  If Favre is around it would seem to be a Minnesota win.  If Favre was retired, an Arizona win.

Without Warner: Again, who really knows.  I think it's a loss either way, but without Fav-ruh, it's a tougher call.  Let's just hope he figures out his decision soon and ends any suspense other people (not me) might have.  I'll say loss for now.


Overview

A quick overview reveals the following:  Not including the 49ers games, I appear to have the Cardinals somewhere around 7-7.  I give them the win over Denver, but a toss-up against the Raiders (included as a win for now) and toss-up against Dallas (counted as a loss here).  The 49ers have to play the games of course, but a sweep is certainly a possibility.  So you're looking at potentially 7-9.  Am I being too optimistic for the 49ers, or do you think the Cardinals would do even worse at this point?

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How many games will the Arizona Cardinals win in 2010?
0-4
19 votes
5-6
142 votes
7
182 votes
8
191 votes
9
92 votes
10+
64 votes

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First! Ha!

First time I’ve voted first in a poll

by Rabbit T on Jan 30, 2010 8:03 AM PST reply actions  

bet you can’t pull it off again!

by dalien82 on Jan 30, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

...

Please don’t make this a place full of “First” comments… mature adults do not draw excitement nor desire the attention that such a comment warrants, and I should like to think that NN is home to (generally) mature discussions.

by Cruithear on Jan 30, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Gah

“… adults neither draw excitement nor desire…”

Some days I just can’t think straight. Also, not trying to stir the pot so to speak, just trying to maintain an environment that won’t devolve into 4chan chatter.

by Cruithear on Jan 30, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Im 15

49ers are the best there was the best there is and the best there ever will be

by swagger on Jan 30, 2010 2:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Well said.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 31, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think Leinart can really “win” games for them. He should be able to keep them in some games and the defense will probably steal a few for them.

by mat.esty on Jan 30, 2010 8:29 AM PST reply actions  

Leinart vs Smith

Why is it that Smith is somehow going to make a leap out of mediocrity with a full pre-season in the same system under his belt, but Leinart isn’t going to do the same? There are a lot of similarities with these two QBs. High draft picks. Disappointing after some signs of getting it together. Injuries followed by a loss of their starting jobs. New head coaches coming in and giving the starting job to someone else. Now we will see if either of them can take advantage of their opportunity. I think Smith is smarter and more studied. Leinart is physically more gifted and wilder. Neither are great leaders. Neither show a knack for being great in critical moments of the game. My guess is they will both show themselves to be average at best. But my other guess is that if one of them does riser above mediocrity it’s going to be Leinart because he gets his head together. I just don’t see Smith having enough accuracy in game experiences, especially with long passes, to take it to the next level. I think it’s likely both teams will need, or have, another QB by 2011.

by Since79 on Jan 30, 2010 9:23 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

This

Shoul be in an ESPN magazine, GREAT comment. I think the NFC West will boil down to who has the best offensive line and running game, hence my disgust with the Crabtree pick. Now we may HAVE to pass on Spiller, to address this need immediately.

Tribute to #44...............The Elmira Express!!

by rlott#42 on Jan 30, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

What I meant was if we had taken Oher

We wouldn’t need to use a pick in the first on an OLineman, and now we do. We are gonna have to be able to run the ball well, without a question mark. We could still take Spiller at 13, it may be unlikely due to the fact that we need an OL, baaaad. Crabtree is gonna be bad a—, no doubt about it, I jut think the timing was wrong. We may have to pass on Spiller, but I think Scot Mc may pass on an OL at 13. There is still hope.

Tribute to #44...............The Elmira Express!!

by rlott#42 on Jan 30, 2010 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

how far are we from that now?

Who’s to say where we would be, Crabtree only had to play one game with Hill, and the others had more, then they were all placed on the back burner, so who’s to say what type of progression they have made.

Tribute to #44...............The Elmira Express!!

by rlott#42 on Jan 31, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I say if Spiller is there at 13

we grab him, no questions asked. Then get the best tackle available with the 16/17th pick.

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by mountaindew77 on Jan 31, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I think this will play to the hidden strength in AZ, which is the run game.

The Cardinals need to improve their run blocking and pass blocking but were still able to run the ball successfully at times. If they add better run blocking and address the fumble disease with their RB’s I think this will help Leinhart tremendously, as it does for all QB’s. Warner being gone is not all it is cracked up to be, they will use the run game and the play fake and be more like the old Steeler teams, just without the steel curtain. Beanie Wells, should be on everyone’s fantasy radar, ass he could emerge as an all- pro back with Leinhart at the helm. If you refer to our games vs the Cardinals, Wells did really well, he just wasn’t used much because their strength was with the pasing game, now they will need to improve the running game in the offseason and I am sure they know it, so it’s not something to celebrate, I think we were better off with Warner in Arizona.

Tribute to #44...............The Elmira Express!!

by rlott#42 on Jan 30, 2010 8:46 AM PST reply actions  

2010 MOCK DRAFT DATABASE

hey,

please update the 2009 mock draft database for the 2010 draft.

really need it asap.

by John358 on Jan 30, 2010 8:59 AM PST reply actions  

database

Gonna work on that today/tomorrow. I’ll have something up as soon as possible.

by David Fucillo on Jan 30, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

database

It’s a separate page that requires certain access that I believe only I have.

by David Fucillo on Jan 30, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I voted 5-6.

With the inconsistent play and general ineptitude that Leinart brings to the table, I don’t see the Cardinals being the offensive powerhouse that they seem to have been over the last couple of years. They have arguably the best receiving corps in the league (Well, outside of Crabs, Morgan, and VD >.>), but without a quarterback to throw to those receivers consistently, they will end up much like the 49ers.

The difference maker is that defensive play won games last year for our team, and I don’t believe Arizona can pull off a similar showing.

by Cruithear on Jan 30, 2010 9:47 AM PST reply actions  

I voted 8-8

I see next year’s Cardinals as being this year’s Niners. A team with a very good defense and a coordinator and QB who are trying to figure each other out. Leinart will perform well in some games, lose some games for the team, and quite possibly give some hope to their fans that he’s the guy going forward.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Jan 30, 2010 10:22 AM PST reply actions  

If only Nate Davis was ready to be the starter...

I just heard the host on ESPN radio give his top 8 teams for 2010 in the NFC. He had the Niners at #6 best team in the NFC next year(said we are rising fast), and said that we would be higher ranked than 6th if we had a good QB.
Sounds just about right to me.
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McNabb has a home in Arizona and he is on the trading block. If the Eagles keep him then Vick might be a fit for the Cards.
Just because Warner is gone doesn’t necessarily mean Leinart is the starter.

by TIM___ on Jan 30, 2010 8:17 PM PST reply actions  

Rams will sweep the Big Red with Leinart at QB.

Once Leinart took over after the Rams knocked Warner out he couldn’t move the offense against the Rams. Beanie adds a new dimension and looks to be special but it won’t be enough. Add Suh rushing Leinart and it gets ugly for the Big Red.

by 17 Hart of the team on Jan 31, 2010 4:38 PM PST reply actions  

Hey guys

Just coming by to say that a lot of us at RotB think that Leinart can be good, and we have seen some promise from him [mainly the Titans game where he came in at the last minute because Warner wasn’t able to play].

You guys are the only team in the NFC west I’m worried about. The Rams are still the Rams, and I bet that Leinart will play harder against his old coach when he plays the Seahawks.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

I can't stand band-wagoner fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on Feb 2, 2010 9:38 PM PST reply actions  

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