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Jimmy Raye Approval Rating, Week 17

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Every year it seems like there is always one particularly big issue that gets 49ers fans all twisted up.  This year, aside from the punt return unit, the offense seemed to bear the brunt of hostility from 49ers fans.  Seeing as we'll have plenty of opportunity to discuss the season that was for Jimmy Raye, I thought I'd keep this relatively simple.

Yesterday I wrote up a post about Alex Smith in which I indicated I thought Alex Smith and the offense would benefit with a second year of the same offensive coordinator, even if it was the controversial Jimmy Raye.  One of the arguments against Jimmy Raye sticking around (at least in the full-on OC position) is that his offenses really have not taken off under his tutelage.  The argument I make probably falls under the sometimes ridiculous "but maybe it will be different this time" school of thought.

Given the talent at his disposal, and a chance for some continuity for Alex Smith, can Jimmy Raye do enough heading into next season to net a vote of confidence?  He's clearly not a guy who will be running the offense for the next decade, but conceivably, is he a guy who could carry the show for one or two more seasons before Mike Johnson potentially takes over?  I'm not saying that's the plan in place, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me.  Some folks may agree with me, and I know plenty of folks will disagree with me.

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Do you approve of the job Jimmy Raye is doing as offensive coordinator?
Yes
312 votes
No
345 votes

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Bad OLine, inconsitent QB that's received yet another OC. Plus an injury prone RB

1 WR a TE with mediocre hands, and he isn’t last in the league in offense, yeah I approve.

#42

by rlott#42 on Jan 6, 2010 1:11 PM PST reply actions  

JIMMY RAYE WAS/IS OUR FUTURE!

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 6, 2010 1:46 PM PST reply actions  

^ ^ ^ ^

hahaha

Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?

by Drew Kerr on Jan 6, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

There needs to be a scale system....

1 through 10 rating, it is way too difficult to pick yes or no lol

by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 6, 2010 2:21 PM PST reply actions  

scale

I think we’ll do that next week in a year-end review type of post.

by David Fucillo on Jan 6, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah!

That would be sweet! Like the one time I made lemon tea and dumped a whole buttload of sugar in it and I was jumping up and down then I ran into the garage and did a dance to Vanilla Ice!

by mr. instigator on Jan 6, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

On that note… 1 out of 10 (10 being the best) …he get’s a 4 from me.

Stand by for explanation in next weeks year-end review post

Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?

by Drew Kerr on Jan 6, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll be waiting for that one.

Considering what he had to work with and players not making plays, Crabs sitting out for a few weeks, he has got to be higher than a 4. Wait that is your rating and your choice.

#42

by rlott#42 on Jan 6, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you just agree with yourself?

I’m going to give this a try.

chikmagnet_565 is sexy.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 6, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 6, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Voted yes, but

It was still a tentative yes. We need some clearer indication that this offense is developing an identity. I think that with all the controversy surrounding the spread-like/shotgun offense, this still is and should remain an offense where if not run-based, should make it’s RB’s the focal point. Two of the best pass plays of the past two weeks were not even run out of the spread/shotgun. One was the 58-yard play action pass to Crabs against Detroit and the other was the 73-yard TD to VD against the Rams. On that one play action was not used, but they lined up in an I-formation. I almost feel like the spread shouldn’t so much be the formation of choice for this team, but merely a means to give Alex more time and better field vision when a pass appears to be the only option.

by Mangoman on Jan 6, 2010 3:07 PM PST reply actions  

Even in the spread

I seemed to notice it still wasn’t as effective as it could have been because defenses were blitzing off the ends and not getting picked up.

by Mangoman on Jan 6, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Smith struggles with pre-snap reads and is not accurate, and he goes through his progressions to slow.

And he doesn’t have good protection, but it is hard to protect a QB that won’t step up in the pocket.

#42

by rlott#42 on Jan 6, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I can definitely agree about the stepping up in the pocket part

started rewatching this season before my Game Rewind pass expires and that’s at least one thing that Shaun Hill did well. Of course if you asked him to throw it more than 15 yards the ball came out looking like a wounded duck.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Jan 6, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Shaun HIll/Stepping up

The thing is, when he stepped up, he usually stepped into sacks didn’t he?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 6, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Well yeah

Just saying Hill did a good job of stepping up into the pocket.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Jan 6, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

And into the arms of Darnell Dockett.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 7, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Might have to do with having been a spread QB?

My impression of spread QB’s is their main objective is to take the snap and fire the ball as fast as possible. So maybe it’s not necessarily in their forte’s to try to guess what is coming at them before the snap as it is to just get the ball to someone quickly.

by Mangoman on Jan 6, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

But then again

According to what you’re saying, Alex wasn’t really doing that, so maybe it just comes down to getting more accurate and smarter!

by Mangoman on Jan 6, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

He did have the one pass to Crabby against the Rams....

that he zipped out right away, the problem is that Crabtree must have forgotten to tell Alex that his QB college had a noodle arm, similar to Hills, so he can’t throw it that hard! lol

by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 6, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I approve for continuity

Continuity is key and something we haven’t had in a long time in our offense.. I approve for now, but only if Raye can make some adjustments in the offseason..

by mountaindew77 on Jan 6, 2010 3:09 PM PST reply actions  

Definitely

However, the key to continuity is going to be figuring out how to improve on the 3-and-outs. Worst in the league in that category is simply unacceptable!

by Mangoman on Jan 6, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I feel you on the continuity tip, but man, Raye is trash. It’s like he tries to out-think himself and becomes predictable.

by mr. instigator on Jan 6, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

NO:

Because he often forgets that the other team’s DC is trying to out think/guess him. If he would remember that fact he would be much less predictable and a whole lot more effective.

by CorneliusJ on Jan 6, 2010 3:17 PM PST reply actions  

Yup

It’s like he’ll line up in some formation that we’ve all seen before, and I’m thinking he’ll finally do something unexpected, but it’s just utter predictable failure and the other team knows it.

by mr. instigator on Jan 6, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I voted no

because I think that we had enough talent to be a better offense. It took too long to get Raye off of his “power-running 60/40” kick, and he never demonstrated an ability to consistently game-plan and call a good variety and mixture of plays to give us a balanced effective offense. We had that at times, but not enough. Obviously execution had a lot to do with the failings of the offense, but we all complained about the play-calling too often this season for me to say that I approve of what he did. I agree that we need to keep him on and I think things will get better, but for this season my vote has to be no.

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Jan 6, 2010 3:18 PM PST reply actions  

good point

the OLine was trash but there were times when the playcalling seemed to take advantage of our strengths and keep the defenses on their heels, and times when we were calling run run incomplete punt on every drive

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Jan 6, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

We can't run the same plays all the time.

He did utilize our TE’s better than anyone, and was very productive with both of them.

#42

by rlott#42 on Jan 7, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I voted no because I decided to do this on a game by game basis

But I agree with Fooch that it makes too much sense to keep him. The way I figure it, if Alex doesn’t show marked improvement with 2 years under the same coordinator then we can finally move on.

Also, something no one really talks about is why are people assuming that if we fire Raye we’ll get another good coordinator? Are people forgetting the reason we got stuck with him is because our top choices turned us down…for the lions…?

Think about that

by foosball4949 on Jan 6, 2010 3:49 PM PST reply actions  

I think the accepted wisdom is that Mike Johnson is being groomed to take over the OC spot

whenever Raye is gone.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Jan 6, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe

But they seem to both be goons.

by mr. instigator on Jan 6, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Mike Johnson is a goon?

What gave you that perception?

Mike Johnson has only two games of play calling experience (with Baltimore) and he won both of them.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 6, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I also voted N - O, no !

Granted, there many problems with the Niners but an 8-8 record is unacceptable. I wasn’t impress with his play calling. But as the norm, they will stay pat next year.

by LASVEGASNINER on Jan 6, 2010 4:01 PM PST reply actions  

Vote Yes

he did what he could with what he had. the line stank, the RB got hurt, they switched QB, his boss wanted a smash mouth running game then had to switch to pass first. lets see what he can do next year… both him, and Alex….

"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are"

by Bo$$Ixta! on Jan 6, 2010 4:02 PM PST reply actions  

I agree

There was a lot of stuff going on, so I’ll give him the befefit of the humongous doubt I have and say let’s go one more time.

by mr. instigator on Jan 6, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I voted (qualified) yes

The offense was better – both running and passing – than it was last year, despite the (inexplicible?) decay of the OL.
I don’t know how much responsibility to pin on Raye for the OL, but it’s “some”.

The only real addition to the team on offense from 2008 was replacing Bruce with Crabtree after the first 3rd of the season, and Hill with Smith. Smith played better than hill in 2009, but actually didn’t really outperform the 2008 version of Hill.

Also, although credit is usually given to Sing for “fixing” Vernon Davis, you have to give Raye some credit for getting him the ball. Raye also showed what I think was a surprising amount of flexibility in a coordinator level coach. Maybe I am wrong about this, but it’s seems quite rare for a team to completely switch it’s offense in the middle of a season, and Raye practically did it twice (once when Smith took over and then adjusted for more runs when defenses adjusted to the shotgun)

Raye did not turn a very bad offense into an average one but it did improve. I think overall, I am less concerned with Raye for 2010 than Smith… and I am in favor of keeping Smith as the QB for another year.

I think the play calling complaints are wrong headed. Execution is vastly more important than trickery. And Raye’s love of the bomb on 3rd-and-1 shows that he’s not above trickery.

That being said, I hope for substantial improvement next year given that he has a better idea what kind of talent/team he has – but in the end it’s going to come down to line play.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Jan 6, 2010 4:04 PM PST reply actions  

i like the bombs on 4th and 1

"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are"

by Bo$$Ixta! on Jan 6, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

jimmy raye

is waaaayyyyy too predictable…i can’t remember the last screen play, like that WASNT a

 WR screen that actually worked..so when we get blitzed it seems like our only option is to have Alex run like *&ll backwards and heave the ball away. (we do the WR screen reliably 3 times a game) Hello anyone heard of a hot read or flat passes?

The bombs on 4 &1 have been great because we’ve actually had success…but just like a kid who can’t stop with his new “magic” trick, I’m afraid we’ll try it again at the worst possible time in Nolan-esque stubborness and futillity. An area of definite need is creativity in our offense coaching to keep the defense guessing.

by 11allstar on Jan 6, 2010 7:19 PM PST reply actions  

you do realize

that the reason the screens get blown up it’s because the OL doesn’t sell the dropback or get into position.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Jan 7, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

A Nay for the Raye approval

IMO, not when the 49er offense is ranked below the Rams in these categories:
-third down efficiency
-first downs per game
LOL, yes, below the Rams whose entire offense is basically Steven Jackson and the healthiest QB for that week.

Also, in terms of total points scored:
2008 season: 339
2009 season: 330

Sure, the OL was a problem but this is hardly news, anyone who has watched the Niners has known the OL has been a weak link for at least the past two seasons. How he and Singletary thought this OL unit could be the core of a power running team is still beyond me.

This is not to imply that play execution was not at fault but IMO, play calling had just as much to do with an offense which sputtered in most games and at the end of this season, still is trying to find its identity.

What in the wide, wide world of sports is a-goin' on here?

by leaping_larry on Jan 6, 2010 8:32 PM PST reply actions  

Offensive line injuries o a bad Ol, a Qb change, a late signing rookie WR was your best

Vernin Davis had 13 td receptions, as if a first year cooedinator dealing with all of that could be better than last in the league. He was ahead of three teams and I am sure one of them was not in the first year of coaching of OC and HC.

#42

by rlott#42 on Jan 7, 2010 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Close one

Wow, my “nay” vote just made it a dead heat at 247.

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- Pedro Martinez, asked about the Curse of the Bambino

by achiappanza on Jan 6, 2010 11:52 PM PST reply actions  

Give JIMMY RAYE approval rating some love

Come on NINER NATION, we all have too cut Jimmy Raye some slack. He had to evolve from a hardnose offense to a pass happy spread offense. First off he had Shawn Hill( More Heart & Leadership then skills.)Gotta Love him thou! Then ALEX “I’m not sure if I’m a BUST or NOT” SMITH! Who only seems successful in a spread offense. Next Frank Gore Behind a offensive line that gave up over 50 sacks last year alone. (Not to mention he is one of the few real HB’s taking all the carry’s left in the NFL)( and you wonder why he gets hurt. Also Vernon Davis who is an hell of an athlete, but still can’t catch enough balls to call him an definite future hall of fame tight end! Josh Morgan who shows us spurts of greatness every three weeks.( No consistency) Finally last but not Least “Micheal C” are rookie wideout who heldout and looks promising, but was running on basic high school routes the first 3 games he played. Can’t make ALOT out of a LITTLE and definitely not SOMETHING out of NOTHING. So unlike previous years lets have some continuity and faith & see what happens. If he fails then we will scold him like we did J.T.O’fumblin.(LOL) Until then enjoy Singletarys motivational speechs, Jimmy’s 30 years of Guru Wisdom and Manusky’s craving for destroying NFL quarterbacks. 2010 HERE WE COME!!!

by CertifiedCj on Jan 7, 2010 12:54 AM PST reply actions  

Posted by CertifiedCJ:

Come on NINER NATION, we all have too cut Jimmy Raye some slack. He had to evolve from a hard-nosed offense to a pass happy spread offense. First off he had Shawn Hill( More Heart & Leadership then skills.)Gotta Love him thou! Then ALEX "I’m not sure if I’m a BUST or NOT" SMITH! Who only seems successful in a spread offense. Next Frank Gore Behind a offensive line that gave up over 50 sacks last year alone. (Not to mention he is one of the few real HB’s who manages 90% of the teams backfield carry’s left in the NFL Finally last but not Least "Micheal C" are rookie wide-out who held out and looks promising, but was running on basic high school routes the first 3 games he played. Can’t make A LOT out of a LITTLE and definitely not SOMETHING out of NOTHING. So unlike previous years lets have some continuity and faith & see what happens. If he fails then we will scold him like we did J.T.O’ Fumblin. Did anybody see him with the Bengals last weekend? (Horrible, L.O.L) Until then enjoy Singletary’s great motivational speeches, Jimmy’s 30 years of Guru Wisdom and Manusky’s craving for destroying NFL quarterbacks. 2010 HERE WE COME!!! I WANT WINNERS

The 49ers New Years Resolution should be turning Continuity into Consistency

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Jan 7, 2010 8:11 AM PST reply actions  

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