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I've been looking at a few mock drafts over the last week and I'm just curious to get the opinion of some die hard 49er fans on who specifically we should take in the first round. I realize that we have a mock draft post already up, but this one focuses on only our niners picks. Name 2 players (who you think will realistically still be around for our picks) with or without an explanation on why you chose said players. Here are my two picks...

13th pick: Clemson RB CJ Spiller: The kid has top notch speed. He'd be an instant boost to our return game (which we desperately need) and a perfect change of pace back for Gore. We've all see the the value players like him can have, i.e. Percy Harvin, Joshua Cribbs.

17th Pick: Idaho OG Mike Lupati: Instant upgrade for an O-line that desperately needs it. I like Rutgers OG Anthony Davis here too, but I'm assuming he wont be available by the 17th pick.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.

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Ok here goes

Pick 1 – Brian “the Bull” Bulaga – Anchors our right side and we’re good to go. Could move to LT at a later date.
Pick 2 – This is a toughy – I guess I’ll go Earl Thomas (listens to the boos) and note that I’d like to move down some with this pick and get some extra late round picks.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 7, 2010 10:50 AM PST reply actions  

If we drafted him I would actually call him Brian “Baby” Bulaga.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Jan 7, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

nobody else knows that song?

I’m disappointed.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Jan 7, 2010 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Raffi!

baby beluga in the deep blue sea, you swim so wild and you swim so free!

"The Football The 49ers Team has The excitement of the bear, the velocity of the deer and strenght of the buffalo.

by 49erLou on Jan 8, 2010 1:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Heaven above and the sea below! You’re just a little white whale on the go!

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Jan 8, 2010 8:02 AM PST up reply actions  

the only songs in my head these days are kids songs

usually from Phineas and Ferb…they have some really good ones.

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 8, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I like it Chesapeake

I think Earl could turn into our Merton Hanks – not the best in the league but elite in coverage with the chance to take one back everytime he gets his hands on the ball.

Bulaga – there is no need to take anybody else with our first pick. His game against GT was quite literally nothing short of astonishing. One of the single best games I’ve ever seen from an O-Lineman at any level. It was like watching one of the nations Elite highschool guys going against average talent. The difference was that big, and a 1/3rd of the time he was against the best DE in the nation!

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 8, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Thomas can't be Hanks

His neck is 9" too short

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 9, 2010 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

This is what I would like...

The Niners trading up for Eric Berry.

If it doesn’t happen I would like something like this.

Pick 1. Brian Bulaga
Pick 2. Mike Iupati

Not sexy but effective!

I also like Ras-I Dowling or Earl Thomas. Taylor Mays doesn’t really fit in here with Goldson he will be a Raider!

by Diplitomus on Jan 7, 2010 11:14 AM PST reply actions  

It will be impossible to get Dowling

this year at least. He’s going back for his senior at UVA.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 7, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry about that...

I missed that announcement. I have to say it is disappointing

by Diplitomus on Jan 7, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah I liked him too

dual threat good CB that could play safety

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 7, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I was just thinking that!

OR

1. Bruce Campbell (OT)

2. Mike Iupati (OG)

by masa11284 on Jan 8, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Bulaga/Campbell/Davis (Best OT avail assuming he’s worth a #13 overall)
Iupati

Wins are sexy. Linemen equal wins.

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 7, 2010 12:05 PM PST reply actions  

come on, give me the entire syllogism:

Wins are sexy.
Linemen cause wins.
Therefore…
Linemen are sexy in the draft.

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Jan 7, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

seriously, I would totally be up for this scenario.

Any way we can sit Snyder on the bench and have Baas only coming off of it is good with me.

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Jan 7, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Linemen are sexy period.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Jan 7, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I've always thought so

but I have some inherent bias.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Jan 7, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

So you're into big and beautiful...men?

I guess we do cheer for the San Francisco 49ers.

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Jan 7, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

/rolls eyes.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Jan 7, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

BODY BIAS!!!

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Jan 7, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

After his game against GT

I think Bulaga has a higher ceiling than Okung… and perhaps much higher

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 8, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

off of 1 game?

Tribute to #44........The Elmira Express

by rlott#42 on Jan 9, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, and most of a season

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 11, 2010 6:07 AM PST up reply actions  

2 picks
  1. - Joe Haden
    #16/17 – Trade down into 20s and take a Right Tackle – Brian Bulaga or Charles Brown (I think that Okung, Dan Campbell, Anthony Davis and Trent Williams will all be gone).

I don’t think that teams usually draft Right Tackles before about pick 20. It’s too much money to devote to the position. That’s why I think that the Niners will try to trade one of their picks down.

by MangoMetsFan on Jan 7, 2010 12:07 PM PST reply actions  

I don't see Bulaga being there at 20's

not after the Orange Bowl. I honestly don’t know that he made a single mistake that game. Not to mention the strong season otherwise.

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 7, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

He made 3 mistakes

I counted them.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 7, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

LOL Its funny cause I was just gonna say this. Each mistake was this – He ended up with nobody to block and was kinda in space. Nothing bad happened but he didn’t have anybody to help double team.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 8, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Take "The Bull" at 13

He’s not going to be around later. At least that is a large worry. Take a feasible viable Safety with the #2 first rounder (depending how the board is running of course) and then pick up an interior O-Lineman with our 13th pick in the second round. Then we have our 3 top needs handled by the second round of the draft and we start working on our second level needs starting with the 3rd round pick. See? Problem solved. :-)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 8, 2010 4:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Think again

Last year 3 OT were taken in the first 8 picks. OT are a priority even if a team picks them early. You’re talking about protecting your QB. Only 4 OT and 0 OG were taken in the 1st round last year with Michael Oher going at 23 to the Ravens. Anthony Davis OT is probably the most talented, and Brian Bulaga OT is a stud. Both would help this team at RT. Mike Iupati is a beast of a man but OG don’t get picked in the first round. His only chance to make it in the 1st is to play OT in the senior bowl game and do very well to move up.

1a. Anthony Davis, Brian Bulaga….Both are great OT prospects
1b. CJ Spiller, Jahvid Best….Both are fast RB with return abilities
2. Mike Iupati…OG is still a priority, Iupati is a beast
3. Javier Arenas…Nice CB with return abilities

by ericalancanty on Jan 8, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Bulaga is much faster in his kick slide

He might show more weakness against the most powerful bullrushers in the league than Davis… But the elite speed rushers will blow by Davis who’s kick slide is not elite. BULAGA BULAGA BULAGA

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 8, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

No on the concussion case of course

I think I would rather take a WR early than a RB

Tribute to #44........The Elmira Express

by rlott#42 on Jan 9, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

3 Left Tackles were taken

Not Right Tackles.

Like I said. Right Tackles are not taken before the 20s.

by MangoMetsFan on Jan 11, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I realize that we have a mock draft post already up, but this one focuses on only our niners picks.

The Official Mock Post is for both…FYI

Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?

by Drew Kerr on Jan 7, 2010 12:12 PM PST reply actions  

Any and all mock should be directed to the User Mock Post

Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?

by Drew Kerr on Jan 7, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

two picks

WR Dez Bryant and OT Davis/Bulaga/Campbell

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Jan 7, 2010 12:15 PM PST reply actions  

I know this post should be a comment on the user mock post

But I’ll comment anyways.

1. Bryan Bulaga
2. Earl Thomas (depending on how he plays tonight and if he declares).

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 7, 2010 12:55 PM PST reply actions  

NDAMUKONG SUH AND ERIC BERRY

Oh, what? You wanted realistic?

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Jan 7, 2010 12:59 PM PST reply actions  

Joe Haden
Bryan Bulaga….

If not we trade up (1st and 3rd) and get Okung and Joe Haden

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Jan 7, 2010 1:23 PM PST reply actions  

Toby Gerhart or C.J. Spiller
Bryan Bulaga or Trent Williams

Jason Hill supporter 'til the end

by SSC24 on Jan 7, 2010 2:31 PM PST reply actions  

I would like....

Eric berry and I would say trade our second 1st rounder to browns for cribbs but if they think his value is worth 1.6 mill over the next 6 years maybe we can get him for a 2nd round pick lets go anthony davis for the second 1st rounder

by RBoogy29 on Jan 7, 2010 4:09 PM PST reply actions  

From my mock 1.0

it will be

1A) C.J.Spiller
2A) Trent Williams (he will be a monster RT just watch)

by Jayd92009 on Jan 7, 2010 4:48 PM PST reply actions  

From KC Joyner: ESPN

Originally Published: November 17, 2009
Draft Lab: Trent Williams’ stock
Being a left tackle may get him into the first round, but his metrics are subpar
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In reviewing Oklahoma Sooners offensive tackle Trent Williams, I can’t help but think of Gosder Cherilus. Cherilus is the progenitor of this series; after seeing his subpar collegiate metrics accurately translate into subpar professional metrics, I decided to start reviewing more NFL draft prospects this way.

Williams is much like Cherilus in that his collegiate metrics leave a lot to be desired.

His first and most important metric weakness is pass blocking. Left tackles get monster contracts and highly publicized motion pictures (“The Blind Side,” about Michael Oher, opens Friday) because of their ability to keep pass-rushers from impacting the game via splash plays (e.g., sacks, offensive holding penalties, tipped passes, etc.).

A review I did in Scientific Football 2009 shows the best professional pass-blockers allow four or fewer splash plays in a season. It tiers down from there, with four to six being above average, six to 10 being below average and more than 10 ranking at or near the bottom of the league.

Getty ImagesTrent Williams might not be signaling for a lot of first downs on Sundays.

The central premise of the Draft Lab series is that the top-level pro prospects should be able to post metrics against collegiate competition that are above average or better than high-end NFL players at the same position. In the five-game series I broke down on Williams (at Miami, versus Texas, at Kansas, versus Kansas State, at Nebraska), he gave up four splash plays. There were two sack plays and one offensive holding play, so three of the four splash plays were direct impacts and not simply judgement calls.

As bad as four splash plays in five games is, Williams was lucky that total wasn’t higher. He was beaten quite badly on an inside spin move in the Nebraska game that was very nearly a hurry or sack, but a quick reaction by OU quarterback Landry Jones saved Williams from splash play No. 5.

That wasn’t the only time Williams struggled with an inside pass-rush move. He was pushed completely off his feet with an inside shoulder club move in both the Kansas State and Nebraska games. Miami also ran 10 inside moves against Williams, which is such a high total that one has to figure the Hurricanes saw a similar inside pass-blocking weakness.

Those woes would be enough on their own to consider Williams overhyped, but his run blocking is actually worse than his pass blocking. Williams blocked at the point of attack on a running play 41 times and won the battle 33 times. That equates to an 80.5 percent POA win rate. To put that in perspective, an 80.5 percent POA rate in 2008 would have ranked 28th among NFL left tackles.

Williams’ POA win rates are worse than that if the 10 plays on which he had double-team blocking help are removed. He had zero POA losses on those plays, so his POA win rate on one-on-one blocks was 74.2 percent.

Williams also has issues with penalties. There was the aforementioned offensive holding penalty, two false starts, a personal foul/leg whip penalty and a personal foul/late hit.

The late hit might show an additional weakness. It came not long after Nebraska defensive lineman Barry Turner beat Williams on a POA run block. Williams beat Turner on a run block a few plays later and wouldn’t stop blocking him until well after the play was over. His extra pushing eventually led to the penalty, and it looked to my scouting eye like he was mad about having been beaten and was trying to send a message to Turner.

That could be a strength in that if a coach can find a way to tap into it, it might be used to his team’s advantage. The problem is, though, NFL defenders know when someone reacts poorly to having his buttons pushed, and if they sense that weakness in Williams, he’ll have someone trying to goad him in every game he plays.

The Football Scientist lab result: Had I not known before watching video of Williams that he was considered a first-round prospect in many circles, it wouldn’t have occurred to me to even consider ranking him that high. He might go in the first round because he is a left tackle, but the metrics say he will be a mediocre pro player, and that stamps him with the TFS overhyped label.

KC Joyner, aka The Football Scientist, is a regular contributor to ESPN Insider. His Countdown Daily by IBM weekly video matchups can be found every Tuesday here. He also can be found on Twitter (@kcjoynertfs) and at his Web site.

by masa11284 on Jan 8, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Again except this time: BRUCE CAMPBELL

Draft Lab: Bruce Campbell’s stock
The run-blocking metrics are superb, but there are some issues defending the pass
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Getty ImagesTodd McShay had this guy No. 12 in his first mock. KC shows him some love, too.

Every Tuesday, K.C. Joyner writes up a “Draft Lab” on a potential 2010 NFL Draft entrant. This one isn’t potential — Maryland OL Bruce Campbell has said he’ll be entering the April festivities. For a full archive of KC’s thoughts on various prospects, please click here.

One of the traps that football personnel evaluators have to constantly remain vigilant against is overvaluing one facet of a position; this often happens, for example, with quarterbacks and arm strength. As important as velocity is for a passer, it is rather meaningless unless it is combined with accuracy. Passing power can be so alluring that it is easy to give it more credence than it deserves if one isn’t careful.

That mindset also comes into play for left tackles and pass blocking in large part because of “The Blind Side” (first as a book, then as a movie); the public’s perception of pass blocking is now at the loftiest of heights.

As important as protecting the passer is for the left tackle position, two moves made by NFL teams the past two seasons show that professional talent evaluators still understand the value of run blocking at that position.

The first was when the Miami Dolphins drafted Michigan left tackle Jake Long as the No. 1 pick in the 2008 draft. Long was a good pass blocker — but he was an elite run blocker, and it was the combination of these traits (not just his ability to protect the corner of the offensive line) that moved him to the top slot in the selection process.

The second was when the Philadelphia Eagles traded for Buffalo left tackle Jason Peters this past offseason. According to the metrics I compiled for Scientific Football 2009, Peters was coming off of a season where he was tied for last place with Houston’s Duane Brown for most sacks allowed among left tackles.

It may have seemed odd for the Eagles to be willing to part with a first and fourth round draft pick for someone coming off of a pass blocking season like that, but a look at the run metrics shows why Philly wanted Peters. Peters’ 90.9% Point of Attack (POA) run block win percentage was the 2nd highest among left tackles and 8th best among all offensive linemen. The Eagles obviously valued his ability to keep Donovan McNabb from getting hit but they also wanted his help in solving their short-yardage running woes and that was likely the clincher in closing the deal.

I bring all of this up because of what the metrics said about Maryland left tackle Bruce Campbell (currently listed as the No. 12 pick on Todd McShay’s Mock Draft 1.0). Let’s start with his pass blocking.

Campbell allowed three splash plays (defined as when a defender does something to negatively impact a passing play) in the five Terrapin games I broke down (at California, vs. Clemson, vs. Virginia, at Florida State and vs. Boston College).

As noted in the Trent Williams Draft Lab (read that here), the best professional pass rushers allow four or fewer splash plays in a season — so this isn’t a dominant number. Having said that, it does compare favorably to Williams’ splash play totals (four in five games) and was much better than the number tallied in Anthony Davis’ Draft Lab (eight splash plays in five games).

Going on those numbers alone, I would have considered Campbell a solid professional left tackle prospect, but his stock shot up considerably when reviewing the run metric totals. Campbell was at the Point of Attack (POA) of a running play 38 times and won 35 of his blocks. That equates to a 92.1% POA win percentage, which, as detailed in the Peters analysis, would be an elite number in the NFL. In addition, Campbell received double team blocking help on only 11 of those plays, so his one-on-one POA win percentage was a superb 88.9%.

The scouting eye notes on Campbell’s run blocking weren’t quite as good as numbers, but they were still almost entirely positive. One bright spot was that he was used as a pulling tackle quite often, which is an underrated skill that many NFL teams would take advantage of. His biggest issue is that he didn’t consistently finish his blocks. That would be a problem if it were due to a lack of effort, but in Campbell’s case it was inconsistent technique, so it is something that should be able to be coached out of him.

From a pass blocking viewpoint, the major scouting eye concern is that Campbell received a lot of help from other blockers; this made me look back at the numbers, which showed Campbell received some kind of assistance from another blocker on 31 out of 120 dropback pass plays. That is a bit higher than one would expect from an elite pass blocker, but it is probably more due to Maryland’s heavy use of zone blocking and facing two teams with 3-4 schemes than it is a sign that Campbell has blocking issues.

The Football Scientist Lab Result: If I were to grade the three left tackles reviewed thus far in the Draft Lab series, I would rate Campbell No. 1, Davis No. 2 and Williams No. 3. I plan to focus on Oklahoma State Cowboys OT Russell Okung in an upcoming edition as well. Campbell is just as — if not more — adept at guarding the blindside as the other two and there is every reason to think he could develop into a dominant NFL run blocker. That doesn’t seem to be the consensus perception of his skills and that disparity means that he receives a TFS seal of approval.

K.C. Joyner, aka The Football Scientist, is a regular contributor to ESPN Insider. His Countdown Daily by IBM weekly video matchups can be found every Tuesday here. He also can be found on Twitter (@kcjoynertfs) and at his Web site.

by masa11284 on Jan 8, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice

Didn’t mention his injury history though….

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Trade up

Take Suh

9ers!!!!!!!!

by Vad3n on Jan 7, 2010 9:01 PM PST reply actions  

This is almost impossible

He’ll go No.1 or No.2 overall

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 7, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

u mean you wouldnt wanna trade

willis, crabtree, vd and gore to get him? throw in your next 4 years of 1st rounders and thats totally logical. i mean other than the fact that if we keep franklin we’re actually kind of set at DT since we play a 3-4

by thewhizkid on Jan 7, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd go,,,

1-CJ Spiller
2-Best tackle

by GMARCH on Jan 7, 2010 11:29 PM PST reply actions  

Fix the BIGGEST weakness:

 OL, OL, OL …etc. If the niners draft enough OLs they are certain to find someone that can do the job.

by CorneliusJ on Jan 7, 2010 11:53 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed !

That has been the Biggest problem for years. Even with our past picks !
If Anthony Davis is available, take him.

by LASVEGASNINER on Jan 8, 2010 6:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Screw Needs
  1. Dez Bryant
  2. Rolando McClain

Or..

I’m jumping on the trade up for Berry bandwagon

by Johnnysixnut on Jan 8, 2010 9:24 AM PST reply actions  

So Bryant will never get the ball because Alex Smith or whomever else is QB will be running for their life and likely ending up on their back within 3 seconds of the snap.

We’ll be even better against the run and short passes than we already are but still get beat regularly on the deep ball and big plays.

I like what you’ve done there…

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 8, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m not in love with any of the Tackles that will be available when the 49ers draft. I like the guard from Iowa, but I would prefer the guards that are on the roster already pull their heads out of their asses and play to their potential. What I’d really like to see is Sims start at left tackle and Staley move back to right tackle with Adam Snyder getting traded to Detroit for their washing machine. This is just my opinion, but I think the first round is a good place to try to get superstars and than address needs in later rounds. Now if you’re lucky you can do both because your needs line up with the best player available, but with tackles this year.. I think there’s going to be a lot of second and third round talent drafted in the first round.

by Johnnysixnut on Jan 9, 2010 6:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Iowa's best lineman is a Tackle

Brian Bulaga, who played about as flawless and dominating as one could play the position in the Orange Bowl against Georgia Tech. It’s 50/50 he’s around at 13 because, as you said, of the playmakers available for other teams to take.

Sims is 35 years old. He played well this year but he’s not the future. Snyder is garbage and Pashos, 30 in August, will only stay if he thinks he can start. I don’t hate Pashos but we need quality depth and in that, someone who can start as early as 2010…so that means early round talent at Tackle. FA is likely going to be slim as everyone feels there will be no CBA. Plus our FO has shown they don’t like to go spend money on OL’s in FA.

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 9, 2010 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

  1. Joe Haden
  2. Trent Williams

by spiker on Jan 8, 2010 10:34 AM PST reply actions  

Joe Haden = Average NFL CB

Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?

by Drew Kerr on Jan 8, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Very average

He’s a guy I either see falling on draft day…or being a bust.

Never use a big word where a diminutive alternative would suffice.

by YoungWillis on Jan 9, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Keep saying

He’ll be great. But in an Eric Davis style. He won’t be the Deion Sanders guy that the QB never throws at but he’ll average about 4 INT’s a year, have a ton of tackles and be a powerful hitter who is very strong against the run and in taking on blocks.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 9, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like

a safety more than a corner to me. Though I loved Davis. Just saying.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 9, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Get off of the Dez

Dez Briant will never be picked by the 49ers. He has great talent but the niners have alot of recievers under contract. They got Jones for 5 years and didn’t even play him. They like to use 2 TE in passing plays, not 4 WR. i do believe that they should get a Jordan Shipley or a Freddie Barnes as a return guy and slot reciever position.

by ericalancanty on Jan 8, 2010 11:40 AM PST reply actions  

Barring trading up/down:

1) Best OT available
2) Best DB available

Address G, return man in FA.

Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?

by kinglouie33 on Jan 8, 2010 1:45 PM PST reply actions  

1. Bruce Campbell – OT Maryland

2. Javier Arenas – CB Alabama

Never use a big word where a diminutive alternative would suffice.

by YoungWillis on Jan 9, 2010 9:41 AM PST reply actions  

I like Arenas athleticism.

He’s short, really short though. Other than returns can he really play CB in the NFL though?

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 9, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

in researching, what's funny is

Allen Rossum’s name keeps coming up as one of the shortest CB’s in football. And he was just a return man for us. So I’m not opposed to Arenas but he better light it up in the return game if we have to spend a higher pick on him

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 9, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Assante Samuel is 5'10"

so 5’9" isn’t a huge disadvantage but I just worry about playing man on a 6’3" receiver and giving up 6"

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 9, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

If Arenas plays CB, he'll play as a nickel or dime back.

He would essentially replace Mark Roman in dime situations and possibly Michael Lewis in nickel situations.

He’s not going to be matched up against, say, Larry Fitzgerald.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 9, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Correct...

…add his explosiveness as a returner and it’s why I don’t mind pulling the trigger a little earlier on Arenas.

Never use a big word where a diminutive alternative would suffice.

by YoungWillis on Jan 9, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

In the 1st round though?

You’d make us the new Al Davis of the league. He’ll be around when we pick in the 3rd.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 9, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

False.

Never use a big word where a diminutive alternative would suffice.

by YoungWillis on Jan 9, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

If you've learned nothing from these drafts...

…athleticism is like sex to these NFL teams. Hell, it’s why we chose Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers.

Never use a big word where a diminutive alternative would suffice.

by YoungWillis on Jan 9, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously no team above 45 will pick him

and they are dumb to pick him before 50. Do you know how deep this draft is with STARTERS? Not return men. Starters right out of school. Its about 55 deep. Brandon LaFell might go in the 3rd round and he is twice the player Arenas is.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 9, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Pat White went in the 2nd Round last year as a back-up Wildcat QB.

Never use a big word where a diminutive alternative would suffice.

by YoungWillis on Jan 9, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

that's the special case of special cases.

Illustrates your point, but not a particularly strong argument.

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Jan 9, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Granted...

But, my point being that too much emphasis is put on height, 40 time, vertical leap, etc. and by the time the draft comes around…mistakes are made.

Never use a big word where a diminutive alternative would suffice.

by YoungWillis on Jan 10, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Dolphins also picked Ginn at #1 a few years ago

They aren’t the best example of drafting excellence LOL

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 10, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Parcells wasn't there for that

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by rlott#42 on Jan 10, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

this

is kinda true though. We take a lot of “athletes” and put high value on them

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 9, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

No way Arenas is drafted in the 1st

Possibly late 2nd early 3rd

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 9, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

1st rounder for a Return guy? I don't want him either in 1st. 3rd I'm ok.

No WAY when we can get Cribbs for a 2nd rounder and he is the TOP returner in the league.

by hudd07 on Jan 11, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Lewis

plays LB in Nickel often times

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 9, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I know

But in some situations Arenas could play on the Nickel D (he’ll play mostly in dime packages though).

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 9, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

R.W. McQuarters was what?

5’7", 5’8"? There were certainly better DBs, but there were worse, too. As long as Arenas isn’t supposed to be the starter at corner, his midgetude is probably acceptable.

by asleepinSF on Jan 9, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Caring too much about height is why Buffalo and Cincinnati chose James Hardy and Jerome Simpson instead of DeSean Jackson…

Never use a big word where a diminutive alternative would suffice.

by YoungWillis on Jan 9, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

different positions though

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by rlott#42 on Jan 9, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

and we chose, wait for it...

Chilo Rachal. Still waiting for those multiple pro-bowls.

Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!

by bonbrillio on Jan 10, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Who would be getting Jackson the ball on offense?

Don’t lie to yourself.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 10, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Just saying he has to have skill and hops to overcome

and if we can get some quality safety help in the near future…that helps any corner.

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 11, 2010 6:08 AM PST up reply actions  

13- Best OT available
16- Mays

by BayArea4Life on Jan 9, 2010 10:49 PM PST reply actions  

Homerism pick

WHIFF

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by rlott#42 on Jan 10, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Trade Down With New England

so they can select Terrence Cody ahead of Pittsburgh. Pats have three 2nd round picks so they would be willing to give up one

1. OT- Brian Bulaga, Iowa
1. OG- Mike Iupati, Idaho
2. CB- Javier Arenas, Alabama
2. DE- Greg Hardy, Mississippi or WR- Golden Tate, Notre Dame

"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 10, 2010 5:24 PM PST reply actions  

Way to early for me to be picking names

But I will go against the grain and not even care about position.

13. Perennial Future Pro Bowler
16/17. Perennial Future Pro Bowler

Works for me!

by bignerd on Jan 10, 2010 8:34 PM PST reply actions  

eric berry, best OT

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by rlott#42 on Jan 10, 2010 9:35 PM PST reply actions  

Its best to wait untill after the combine to really take any mocks seriously

This past decade has been all about the combine. Whos to say Bulaga doesnt have a bad combine and slips right into our laps with the 2nd 1st rounder? or maybe even the 2nd round??

Every year players in the 1st round jump up and down like crazy.

by Beatclash on Jan 10, 2010 11:38 PM PST reply actions  

this

could be true. He was out of commission for a while with the thyroid this year. If his bench numbers are down, etc. it might scare some teams off. I’ve seen enough of his potential to know that he’s worth a 13th pick

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 11, 2010 6:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

I think the combine will be very important for Charles Brown.
He’s the most athletic OT in this year’s draft and a good combine could turn him into a top 15 pick (he doesn’t fit in the 49ers scheme, in case you’re wondering).

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 11, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

haven't studied him much

is he more of a zone blocker?

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 11, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

That's the rumor

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by rlott#42 on Jan 11, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Hasn't Zone blocking been noted as an option?

Here’s hoping we get lucky and get April for ST Coach and Cable for OL Coach.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 11, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

cable

i would like that, but Sing has to feel that there wont be competing egos in the room. Cable has to submit to Sing’s authority and there can’t be any distractions. I don’t want a guy who brings un-necessary crap to our locker room

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 11, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Cable

I don’t think he’ll be fired.
What has been said about the Raider’s HC situation?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 11, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Cable is old school

I think he’d be a bit…welll…not in awe but respectful to Sing and he also knows how it can be being an HC. And doesn’t want to pull a TO

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 11, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he will be fine

But Davis can’t fire him, IMO, unless he wants Leach as a coach.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 11, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Del Rio might lose his job in Jacksonville

Cremel is going to the Chiefs. Del Rio might be losing his job.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Del Rio going to USC

sounds like.

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 12, 2010 4:53 AM PST up reply actions  

last I heard he claims he's staying in JAX, and Mooch is in the running for the USC HC job

"The Football The 49ers Team has The excitement of the bear, the velocity of the deer and strenght of the buffalo.

by 49erLou on Jan 12, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

yep

i was feeding the rumor mill but all indications now are that Del Rio staying put for 15 million reasons. Mooch and also heard Herm Edwards name mentioned in relation to USC though could have just been that he’d be a good choice

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 12, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

If Mariucci takes the USC job, he’ll have lost my support forever. First he screws Cal – but at least he did it for a good cause!

But this… this I couldn’t forgive.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Jan 12, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Sing is retaining Chris Foerster

according to Maiocco.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Cable looks like he's going to be gone too

Oh well.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

He needs to put on a little more weight and prove that he can maintain his athleticism.
If he shows up around 10-15 pounds heavier at the combine and dominates in all the drills he could even go in the top 10.

Kind of like Jason Smith last year.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 11, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

and look where he is now.

I hope we use the body of work vs the combine in our draft process. Smith is struggling a bit.

by hudd07 on Jan 11, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Well Smith has had concussions

But I still believe that he was drafted way too early.

He almost never played from a 3 point stance in college….

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Jan 12, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmmmm.. trade back second 1st rounder...

1a- CJ Spiller
1b- Bulaga
2a- Brandon Spikes
2b- Marshwan Gilyard
3- Syd’Quan Thompson
4- Jordan Lake
5- Dan Lefavour
6-OG
7-OG

by GMARCH on Jan 12, 2010 3:14 PM PST reply actions  

you keep saying trade back...

but what I don’t get is how Bulaga will be available at wherever you’re trading back to. I wonder if he’d be available at 13 honestly. The combine might rocket him up into the top 10-15. I was impressed with him all year but after the Orange Bowl I think his stock went WAY up.

"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.

by Tre9er on Jan 12, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Yaaaaa

Thats why I want Bulaga, but ya after his bowl game his stock could go way up. Although I think there willl be a very good tackle with our second first round pick, even if we trade back. The top five tackles are all very good, and one of them will be left late in the first round.

by GMARCH on Jan 12, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

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