49ers Penalties: Aimed For The Foot, But Just Grazed It?
by David Fucillo on Oct 18, 2010 10:01 AM PDT
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One of the major keys to victory yesterday was the fact that the 49ers managed to not turn over the ball, while also forcing the Raiders into a pair of turnovers. The 49ers posted a stat that the team has never lost under Mike Singletary when they win the turnover battle. This isn't exactly rocket science, but it puts into perspective just how awful the 49ers were playing the first five weeks of the season. Every time they seemed to take a step forward in a game, they'd have to stop and pause shortly thereafter because they'd just blown a huge hole through their foot.
I mentioned yesterday (primarily on Twitter) that I would enjoy the win because it's been a rough season and it's nice to enjoy the first W for at least a little bit. Well, I'm still enjoying it, but I certainly have no problem starting the long-hard look at some of the problems that exist. While the 49ers did win the turnover battle, they did an amazingly awful job when it came to penalties. Over the course of the game the 49ers were assessed 11 penalties for 143 yards, with two other penalties declined.
Looking through the ESPN Play-By-Play, here's a breakdown of the penalties:
Shawntae Spencer - PI - 46 yards
Josh Morgan - Holding - 10 yards
Ahmad Brooks - False Start (punt unit) - 5 yards
Dashon Goldson - Unnecessary Roughness - 15 yards
Anthony Dixon - Holding (punt return) - 10 yards
Phillip Adams - Holding (kick return) - 10 yards
Joe Staley - Holding - 10 yards
Joe Staley - Holding - 10 yards
Michael Crabtree - False Start - 5 yards
Alex Smith - Intentional Grounding - 12 yards
Alex Smith - Intentional Grounding - 10 yards
Takeo Spikes - Illegal Contact - declined
Punt return unit - 12 men on the field - declined
There's a broad mix of penalties in there with some being incredibly stupid, some being apparent bad calls, and others just being something that happens from time to time in the NFL.
We've heard plenty about the second intentional grounding penalty against Alex Smith (the one for a 10 yard loss). Smith was throwing to his left and as he went to throw his receiver turned in when he apparently should have turned out. Using my mad lawyering skills I'll make a brief argument for why it might not have been as bad a mistake as Singletary and Smith made it out to be. Mind you this is just my interpretation.
The NFL's rules would seem to generally be meant to provide as little individual discretion for the refs as possible. Obviously there are judgment calls, but I would imagine the NFL would prefer strict liability type of calls. That basically means that there's no judgment issue involved. A perfect example is the rule about the corner not being allowed to touch the receiver after 5 yards (or however it's worded now). Technically it should just be, you touch the guy you get flagged.
With this particular play, it seemed obvious that there was a miscommunication between Smith and his receiver. And the wording "intentional" grounding would seem to preclude penalizing the team. But I'd like to think the NFL would have this in place to take away the judgment of the ref. I could be wrong on that but when you supposedly take away judgment calls, it evens the playing field because then personal biases and human error would seem to be less of an issue. Obviously that's not always the case, but I'm speculating on the league's philosophy.
Anyways, moving beyond that, special teams coach Kurt Schottenheimer might have some questions to answer for after yesterday's game. Special teams accounted for two holding calls, a false start, and 12 men on the field. Throw in the 9 men on the field goal attempt and it was not exactly a standout performance by the special teams unit. The 49ers got some decent returns from Ted Ginn Jr. but there was a lot of ugly along the way.
And as for Joe Staley's penalty for holding on Dixon's TD run that was called back? I would argue that Dixon probably gets tackled without that holding penalty. Maybe Dixon would have evaded the defender, but after reviewing my recording of the game, I think Dixon probably goes down there. It doesn't excuse the penalty, but just an explanation on the surrounding circumstances.
At the end of the day, the team is going to have clean up all the penalties. While they managed the win today, getting 143 penalty yards is not something a team can overcome every week. This comes down to team discipline, which is something the 49ers still seem to lack far too frequently. Although the # of men on the field penalties re probably the worst, Shawntae Spencer's defensive PI in the first quarter drove me absolutely crazy. If Spencer peeks back he can easily make a play on the ball. Instead, he RUNS INTO THE WIDE RECEIVER! He just barreled right into Louis Murphy. Just amazed me.
The 49ers have yet to put together a complete game, which given the win today is a good and a bad thing. Good to get a win in spite of hurting yourself repeatedly. Bad because this team proved through the first five weeks they won't get away with this every week. It's great to win the turnover battle, but they really need to clean up some of the mental aspects of the game if they want to make any kind of noise this season.
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One thing that annoying me about the game...
was the missed roughing the passer on Smith during the first half when he missed Morgan on a would be TD throw. The ball was WELL out of his hands, and some defender comes down and barrels into him. I am talking, at least 2-3 seconds, and the guy wasn’t even in mid-tackle and can’t use that as an excuse for hitting him. Of course, if it was Brady or Manning getting hit like that, you know there’d be a flag.
Palmer got a RTP call
when he got hit while throwing the ball. Smiths arm was down and was watching the ball then he got hit. Huge missed call or what about all of the holding calls against the Raiders ridiculous refs tbh.
How about the missed RTP on the first intentional grounding call?
An Oakland rusher dove at Smith’s knees and took his legs out. That’s supposed to be a penalty. You can only hit the QB between the waist and shoulder pads. Perhaps the roughing and grounding would’ve off-set but it was another missed call on our QB getting hit.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Sadly that is true
50/50 shot against lower QBs, over cautious with the big name guys. Although there was an awful “hit to the QBs head” call on San Diego that allowed the Rams to continue a drive for a TD instead of kicking a FG. That four point gain in a three point win was the difference.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Bradford is pretty popular
I still can’t believe the RTP call that was called as Palmer was throwing the ball.
I tell ya, McNabb, Vick, and Young NEVER get these calls.....Mcnabb, Vick, and young, see a pattern?
Niners offense has been like my first car.....punt, punt, punt, punt, punt,
You will never see this happen to any one else in the league and b okay. F Fisher wasn't even pissed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjeDqLpGnKc
Niners offense has been like my first car.....punt, punt, punt, punt, punt,
I'd say it's more like the refs are biased in favor of popular QBs
Slight difference in interpretation.
;)
"Son, I'm going to break you like a wild horse." - Mike Singletary
Annoying, I agree, but this is one of the penalties that you pay when choosing to live west of New York City!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Oct 18, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
manning and Brady are West of NY.
Niners offense has been like my first car.....punt, punt, punt, punt, punt,
dixon
looked great on that td run that got called back, hopefully we see him getting more carries, he runs the ball like a maniac and finishes every run looking to hit someone, i love that.
this
he needs more than 1 or 2 plays. Heck, can we get Dixon and Westbrook 5 carries each please? Is that really cutting into Frank’s workload that much?
This team needs some real leadership from it's players.
Nitwitter
i agree
specially if frank is getting stopped on the run, i think we try passing too much, stick to the running game and it will pay off later in the game, i did like seeing all those play actions we ran but it never seemed smith got time to throw on those plays, our o-line really needs to do a better job and i think we will see smith performing at a higher level.
by FoAdTriPPinG on Oct 18, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
hard to keep running play action when the defense knows
1. your run game has sucked thus far
2. you don’t ever actually hand it off
This team needs some real leadership from it's players.
Nitwitter
That's why it's critical to run the ball well
Last week Jon Gruden was asked what the problem with the Saints offense was.
He stated that they weren’t running the ball well anymore (due in large part to the absence of Reggie Bush and Pierre Thomas).
The run game opens up play action which is a huge help in the passing game.
you need both
basically. You can’t be one dimensional. Which is to say I’m agreeing with you, but some people will say things like “you have to run, then that sets up the pass” and others “you can pass then that sets up the run”.
Really, you just have to be able to do both, at opportune times, whenever those times may be based on defense, mismatches, etc.
This team needs some real leadership from it's players.
Nitwitter
I agree
Nobody is arguing for being one-dimensional. One dimension (especially with the running game) won’t cut it.
The 49er offense will succeed to the degree they get the ball in the hands of Crabtree & VD.
Especially on BIG plays. Which Smith was able to do yesterday.
agreed
Ironically—or maybe not ironically at all, even the run game is looking better with Raye gone.
Start the young ones early, I always say.
twitter me @grantmp1
they said they used the same plays to set the Raiders up
then the Gore run was a different scheme that caught them off guard
This team needs some real leadership from it's players.
Nitwitter
yes
it was well executed, and most of all…Alex threw a catchable ball
This team needs some real leadership from it's players.
Nitwitter
I was like SCREEN
and then Smith looked the wrong way I was like WTF then he threw it to VD and I was like flaehfeskjfbeksjtr TD
Norv Turner likes (and still calls) that play.
VD got his first career TD on that same play in ’06.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
true
but i think our oc was seeing how the raiders were set up, and it was clear the raiders were looking run right off the bat so he tried to surprise them, just didnt work out cause they got to smith before he could really turn and look upfield.
by FoAdTriPPinG on Oct 18, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Grading the O- line on pass block C- thats being modest
"Really Can't boo yourself" Alex Smith
This is my platform for becoming the Niners new OC ...
1. Dixon gets at least 5-7 rushes per game.
2. Westbrook get at least 5-7 rushes per game.
3. Frank gets the rest of the rushes.
4. In all cases, Norris sits and Byham plays H-back.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Oct 18, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Think'n you need to start at the front ... the O line first , then Dixon and Westbrook , Norris sit's @ home ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Ted Ginn, Jr.
is not a punt returner…I mean, he wasn’t born to be one. I’m thankful that he catches the ball cleanly and makes good decisions whether to fair catch, return a punt, or let it bounce…but his skills with the ball in his hands on punts are not awe inspiring.
He’s a good Kick Returner but I can’t wait to get Williams back.
This team needs some real leadership from it's players.
Nitwitter
Special teams
Hmm.. I thought Ginny brought a stabalizing presence to special teams. Maybe my memory is off but before Ginn special teams was erratic, I think there was a turnover in earlier games. Maybe I’m wrong, but coming into this game my biggest worry was turnovers from weather conditions, especially in the return game. Ginn reminded me I had nothing to worry about.
Hmm.. I thought Ginny brought a stabalizing presence to special teams. Maybe my memory is off but before Ginn special teams was erratic, I think there was a turnover in earlier games. Maybe I’m wrong, but coming into this game my biggest worry was turnovers from weather conditions, especially in the return game. Ginn reminded me I had nothing to worry about.I’m absolutly appalled by the complete breakdown of coaching during games, resulting in 13,12,9 men on the field, let alone: the play calling (though improved a smidge), the cat fights on the sideline, the penaltys, the unfamiliar celebatory swagger, the burnt timeouts, and let’s not forget the 1-5 record.
Hmm.. I thought Ginny brought a stabalizing presence to special teams. Maybe my memory is off but before Ginn special teams was erratic, I think there was a turnover in earlier games. Maybe I’m wrong, but coming into this game my biggest worry was turnovers from weather conditions, especially in the return game. Ginn reminded me I had nothing to worry about.I’m absolutly appalled by the complete breakdown of coaching during games, resulting in 13,12,9 men on the field, let alone: the play calling (though improved a smidge), the cat fights on the sideline, the penaltys, the unfamiliar celebatory swagger, the burnt timeouts, and let’s not forget the 1-5 record.Victory is the best medicine and this being ‘pink October’ we just started Chemo. w/adr
J GO
by youngbuckeroo on Oct 18, 2010 11:16 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The timeouts were all called appropriately
Alex saw something he didn’t like at the line, didn’t have time to properly audible and burned a timeout. You can do that once each half. More often than not the QB is correct when he does.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 18, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Lol. That’s the third or fourth time I’ve seen one of these triple posts on SB Nation.
by cybermaldonado on Oct 18, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
ginn
i think ginn has done a good job returning punts, i dont have to cross my fingers everytime the punts up in the air with him and he even manages to get a few yards on each return, i think ginn should be our punt return guy, i remember williams dropping a punt or two as well. ginn all the way.
As long as he catches the ball
and makes some positive yardage he’s alright.
He pretty much heads towards the sidelines on a regular basis. Usually when Devin Hester returns one to the house he heads to the sideline and then turns it upfield.
You can’t score if you head to the sidelines.
Crabs
The false start was down right stupid how does WR do that.
One thing that boggled my mind to was that safety , how was that not a safety???? That was BS.
"Really Can't boo yourself" Alex Smith
That was definitely a safety
The 49ers got screwed on that play.
Seattle had Cutler completely in grasp on the one-yard line, dragged him in the endzone, and got a safety.
Watching those two side-by-side and it’s apparent that the 49er’s had more of a safety than did Seattle.
Seattle got it, the 49ers had it spotted on the one.
That really killed the momentum of the game I think
We really were turning the corner there then we don’t get the call. I know we made them punt I think we would have really shut the door there.
"Really Can't boo yourself" Alex Smith
Ya with them kicking ball to Ginn on short kick
"Really Can't boo yourself" Alex Smith
With no camera on the goal line there was no angle to overturn the call. Refs are not going to overturn their own call, especially as it relates to forward progress or spotting of the ball, without 100% clear evidence. Remember the Steelers game winning TD vs Baltimore two seasons ago? They can always say that the camera angle is off and there is not enough evidence to overturn it. Would’ve been the same had they called a safety and Oakland challenged it; call on the field stands.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Uah, there is ALWAYS a camera on the goal line.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Oct 18, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
what?
no there isn’t. There really should be though, it would help out a TON with replays
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
No, there is not. Near it? Likely. Lined up on the line? Nope.
But there should be, simply for the purpose of replay. The league can certainly afford it.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
There isn't
I remember complaining about this last season. Should be a camera at the goal line and back of the goal line. Too many inconclusive replays in those areas.
No, the refs don't hate us ... some officials are just grossly more incompetent than others!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Oct 18, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
we seem to get the incompetent ones every week.
Niners offense has been like my first car.....punt, punt, punt, punt, punt,
The Cutler play
Cutler fumbled on that play and recovered in the end zone, hence the safety, otherwise he would have been down on the 1.
Cutler was grabbed and touched on the one-yard line
before he was taken into the endzone.
He fumbled in the endzone and recovered it himself.
This is all about ‘forward progress.’
Like I said, Cutler was touched MORE on the one-yard line by Seattle than Campbell was by SF on the one yard line.
The 49er play was more of a safety than was the Bear play.
But if you fumble backwards you no longer have forward progress. Forward progress is reestablished where you recover, which was in the end zone.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Look, he didn't 'fumble backwards.'
I’ve got the play frozen on the TV right now (I’m watching Mike & Mike from this morning).
The Seattle defender CLEARLY has Cutler in a ‘Bear hug’ on the one yard line. Cutler’s left foot is on the two yard line, his right foot on the one yard line. Essentially, Cutler is wrapped up on the 1 1/2 yard line.
Usually, that’s where the play is spotted. That’s his FORWARD progress.
The facts that Cutler dropped the ball going down IN THE END ZONE and recovered it in the end zone is meaningless. He was STOPPED on the 1, 1 1/2 yard line (forward progress).
As I had watched that play in the morning during the Bears game, before the 49er play, I immediately noticed a big difference in the way the two plays were called.
Like I said before, Cutler was FAR more wrapped up on the one yard line that was Jason Campbell.
If the ref blows the whistle before the fumble, that's forward progress
If not, the fumble is what matters not where he fumbled. You’re assuming the ref blew the play dead which he didn’t. Perhaps he should have, then it would not have been a safety.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Not exactly
You miss the point. Oftentimes in the NFL, the play is spotted where it SHOULD be spotted, regardless of when the whistle is blown.
The whistle blows to end the play . . . and then the official spots the ball.
Perhaps you don’t understand. Cutler recovered his own fumble. It’s not like possession changed from the Bears to Seattle.
Do you know EXACTLY when the whistle blew on the Cutler play? Answer: No you don’t.
Do you EXACTLY when the whistle blew on the Raider play? Answer: No you don’t.
Again, ALL I am saying is this: If you watch BOTH plays, side-by-side, it’s clear to see that Jay Cutler was stopped at the one yard line, MUCH more so than was Jason Campbell.
Campbell’s forward progress pretty much stopped in the end zone. Cutler’s on the one yard line.
That’s all. As far as Cutler dropping the ball and recovering the ball in the end zone, that’s irrelevant here.
just to clear this up
Are you saying that if I run and I’m about to score and I’m at the one, I pitch the ball back because there are three guys there ready to tackle, no one is there to get my pitch so I’m able to fall on it at the ten, so the ball is spotted on the one assuming that is where my forward progression was?
This is of course hypothetical as no one would do this, but I think illustrates the scenario
by mcwagner on Oct 18, 2010 12:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The scenario is this
Cutler was in the grasp of the defender . . . AT THE ONE YARD LINE.
He was in the control of the defender, at the one, BEFORE he went into the endzone.
Almost always, they will spot the ball at the one yard line, not in the endzone. He eventually landed in the endzone, but was stopped at the one.
On the 49er play, Campbell wasn’t in control of the defender until he was in the endzone.
My immediate reaction as I watched both plays in real time was that Cutler should’ve been down at the one, and Campbell should’ve gotten a safety.
The exact opposite happened.
Two negatives make a positive I guess?
So you are saying that forget anything else, forward progression was established and Cutler is down on the one. No debates at all for the Cambell safety, that was clear as day
by mcwagner on Oct 18, 2010 1:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You're confusing me
Are you agreeing with me? Or disagreeing? It sounds like you are disagreeing with me, but it’s a little confusing.
Two negatives make a positive? Umm , what’s that got to do with this?
Forget anything else? No, all I am saying (again) is this: When Cutler was ‘wrapped up’ by the defense, not ONE inch of Jay Cutler’s body was in the endzone. Not one. His entire body was in the field of play, BEFORE he fell into the endzone.
Almost always, they’ll spot the ball in the filed of play afterwards.
How can you say Cutler was in the grasp?
He clearly fumbled it immediately upon being hit and there is no debate that Cutler recovered it in the end zone. The Bears were lucky to only give up two points because that was almost recovered by the Seahawks for Seven.
Dude
That’s a still photo.
I watched the replay and FROZE it a few hours ago. Did you?
I watched it FRAME by FRAME. Did you?
He was (like I said BEFORE) in the grasp of the defender with his RIGHT foot on the 2, and his LEFT foot on the 1.
Not one inch of his body was in the endzone when he was in the grasp of the defender..
He dropped the ball (and recovered it) IN THE END ZONE!
Showing a still here (before he was even touched) is ridiculous.
OMFG
Cutler CLEARLY fumbled the ball into the endzone. He was NOT down by forward progress the ball came out immediately after he was hit.
Campbell never lost control of the ball so he HAD forward progress.
IF YOU DON’T HOLD THE BALL YOU DON’T GET CREDIT FOR FORWARD PROGRESS. Argument over
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
Exactly
Even though I wanted the safety against Campbell, the Cutler play is CLEARLY a safety
by mr. instigator on Oct 18, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
No it didn't
the ball came out immediately after he was hit.
No it didn’t. He was drawing the ball back into his body when he was hit; the ball came out afterwards.
The ball fell out sometime after that and before he was down in the endzone. It did NOT immediately fall out when hit at the one.
It fell and was recovered by him in the endzone.
Perhaps you should watch the replay.
His ‘forward prograss’ when hit was at the one, not in the endzone.
Almost always they’ll call just that: Forward progress at the one.
I am sorry that many of you do not understand the rules here.
Yeah but
the play isn’t over just because the QB gets hit. He has to hold onto the ball going down or it is a fumble.
Do you agree that it was a fumble or do you think he was down right after he gets hit?
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
I don't see the wrap up
it was a clear tackle and Cutler couldn’t hold the ball and it fell in the endzone. Thats a clear fumble if that isn’t a fumble than the two fumbles gore had against the Eagles weren’t fumbles.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d81b65c9e/Seahawks-defense-safety
00:38 – (11:45) J.Cutler sacked at CHI 1 for 9 yards (J.Babineaux). FUMBLES (J.Babineaux), and recovers at CHI -1. J.Cutler tackled in End Zone, SAFETY (J.Babineaux). <- Official play
Are we playing touch football?
Is Forward Progress invoked upon a ball carrier merely being contacted by a defensive player? No.
Is the tuck rule applicable here? No.
What matters is that Cutler lost the ball before he was tackled or ruled down by forward progress. It’s very simple.
Typically refs will wait a moment to decide that forward progress has stopped and then blow the play dead, then spot the ball accordingly.
Cutler was hit, and as a result of that hit lost control of the football. Since the ball was recovered in the end zone it was ruled a safety.
Totally different play than what happened to Jason Campbell. The forward progress could have been called on that one (and was).
by mr. instigator on Oct 18, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
Shawn Kemp Agrees. ha ha
Sorry you guys have to deal with this guy. He clearly has no clue.
by bigtrain21 on Oct 18, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait?
You aren’t seeing the gif I posted?
Not only did I watch it frame by frame I created a gif from it.
gif
It’s a gif. You might not be seeing it. You need to settle down though in responding. It’s this kind of attitude that gets people on your case. You talk down to people and that’s really unnecessary.
In this case, as the gif plays, the ball is dropped at about the half yard line.
by David Fucillo on Oct 18, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
This shows
Cutler getting hit, fumbling immediately. Presumably he recovered a live ball in the endzone for a safety.
by mr. instigator on Oct 18, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats the ruling
(11:45) J.Cutler sacked at CHI 1 for -9 yards (J.Babineaux). FUMBLES (J.Babineaux), and recovers at CHI -1. J.Cutler tackled in End Zone, SAFETY (J.Babineaux).
You're wrong on this one.
Niners offense has been like my first car.....punt, punt, punt, punt, punt,
Didn't know there was forward progress going backward's ....definitely a safety ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
He was going backward during his drop, but yes
there is still ‘forward progress.’ He was stopped at the one and fell into the endzone. His forward progress would be at the one.
Stopping is not goin forward , so nope on the forward thing ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Forward progress
is defined as the last point FORWARD a player was.
Cutler was stopped and in the grasp at the one, BEFORE being dragged (or falling) in the endzone.
Thus, forward progress would be at the one.
Why is this so difficult for so many to understand?
Haven’t you ever seen a receiver catch a ball, and then immediately be dragged backwards? Where do they usually spot the ball?
That’s right, where he CAUGHT the ball, not where he ended up (he might end up five yards backwards).
This is really simple stuff. Really.
Bro
You don’t get forward progress if you fumble. ONLY IF YOU HAVE CONTROL OF THE BALL. It is not a hard concept.
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
Campbell not Cutler whom i was referring too ...
… there is no forward goin backward or stopping , momentum doesn’t allow it … Issac Newton once said that if Two object’s …. oh heck never mind , not worth the back and forth … Go NINER’s …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Watching thr replay of Campbell...
He steps back into the end zone of his own accord, both feet in the end zone and THEN gets sacked. No way it’s not a safety. You don’t get forward progress when you loose yards of your own accord before getting touched.
Only one of a NUMBER of bad/non-calls.
by ColoradoNiner on Oct 19, 2010 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions
blame the nfl
they always give horrible refs for the niners games unless they are playing the cowboys or the saints or something, that intentional grounding call was ridiculous, plz give us some good refs. im sure it will be another group of low grade turd sniffers refereeing our game against the panthers too. i hope they have a couple back up headsets for sing lol
I've said it before, I'll say it again ...
One of the penalties of choosing to live west of New York City! You’re thought of as second-class and therefore undeserving of the better officials.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Oct 18, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone know if the team is for sure going straight to London from Carolina?
that was suggested back when they announced the London game but hadn’t heard official word yet
This team needs some real leadership from it's players.
Nitwitter
the way things have happened
i would not be surprised if they left on saturday night.
lol
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Oct 18, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
yes
They’re arriving in London on Monday, with media availability when they get there. I’d imagine they’ll either fly the red eye out of Charlotte or early Monday morning.
by David Fucillo on Oct 18, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Nah
Leave immediately as they would if returning home. Flight back to SF is about six hours. Flight to London is probably close to eight. You go right away, leaving Charlotte around 6:00 eastern time and get to London in the early morning. May as well get adjusted to the time difference ASAP, do media that afternoon and prep for film on Tuesday, practice on Wednesday.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
as an athlete who has gone to europe
It is best to arrive midday and establish the time change. I would exercise asap to keep alert and get the blood flowing. Then sleep when they sleep and viola, no jetlag. Also, drink water
by mcwagner on Oct 18, 2010 12:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No way
Drink three pots of coffee each day so you never fall asleep. When you get back you’ll easily go to bed normal time preventing jet lag. If you are still tired the next day, fall asleep at work. Waste your time on them, not your precious vacation.
Good to get a win in spite of hurting yourself repeatedly.
YEAH! Niners Rule!
Bad because this team proved through the first five weeks they won’t get away with this every week.
Hmmm…seems like they didn’t get away with any of their foot-shooting in the first 5 weeks.
Start the young ones early, I always say.
twitter me @grantmp1
true..
I was thinking more looking ahead.
by David Fucillo on Oct 18, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Two biggest penalties
The PI and roughing call on Goldson led to Oakland points. Without those the Raiders are being shutout into the 4th quarter.
I’m not sure the PI call was legit. I know that Spencer didn’t turn around but you don’t have to if you don’t throw your arms up. It’s not the DBs fault if the ball is underthrown and hits him in the back. Spencer did collide with Murphy but it looked to me he did right as the ball arrived. That penalty rewarded the Raiders for poor execution of a great play call.
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the thing I hate about faceguarding
is how is the DB supposed to know when to turn around? if they’re getting beat to an extent they’ll always be running with back turned to the QB…like you said, if it’s underthrown and they aren’t turned around and they also contact or impede the receiver from coming back to the ball, then I get that.
This team needs some real leadership from it's players.
Nitwitter
Depend's on which way your trying to force the receiver ...
… if your trying to force him to the sideline’s there’s less room to cover , so your having your back to the Qb and you play the reaction of the receiver , when he make’s a move for the ball is when you turn to look , if you force him to the inside you turn your hip’s into him while keeping an eye on the Qb … Cb drill’s 101 backpedal and turn your hip’s …!!
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Face guarding is a ridiculous penalty
Why not go ahead and flag the defensive linemen every time the QB chucks the ball off his helmet.
I thought this wasn't DPI in real time
but on the replay I am sure it was. He ran into the WR without turning/looking for the ball. 100% of the time that’s going to get called a DPI on anything remotely catchable.
In fact, at the time I was convinced that Spencer ran into him on PURPOSE because if he doesn’t it’s probably 6 points. Remember he was badly burned and had to run back just to get into the play (not sure if it was his coverage blown in the first place, or he was just trying to correct for someone else’s error)
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Anyone wondered about that non-safety call?
Where Campbell got sacked near the endzone and the refs put the ball at the one inch line? Safety imo.
PROS N CONS
Pros:
Gore finally got going. In fact the running game in general was good. Dixon looked great on his discredited TD. Even though it was against the 31st ranked rush defense it gives the team confidence to run the ball.
The defense played well. Taylor Mays is the TRUTH. He’s playing a lot better than expected for a rookie safety. I’m beginning to think he WAS worth spending a first round pick. To get him at pick #49 is awesome. Manny Lawson had a sicc INT. We generally tackled well and Brooks stopped Campbell from scrambling for a 1st down on 3rd and long(Bowman I’m still sore at you for Kolb).
Crabtree and Davis both caught TD’s for the second straight week. They didn’t have monster games but they played well. Especially Crabs considering he had #21 on him all game. Asomugha(is that spelled right?) is Awesome-uh.
Our QB didn’t turn the ball over. Same goes for the entire team. We have to limit TO’s to 1 or 0 every game. We finally quit killing ourselves with turnovers and got a win.
Cons:
The offense looked terrible for 3 quarters beginning with the QB. While he didn’t make the stupid mistakes we are so used to seeing he definitely left a lot of yards on the field and atleast 10 points in my opinion. He threw a lot of throws off target in the first quarter especially and the pass to Morgan on 3rd down would have been a TD but it was nowhere near him. I read the transcript and he said he didnt’ really see Morgan and just threw the ball in his direction. WTF? How do you throw the ball to a guy you don’t see? If he was throwing to where he thought Morgan was going to be that’s awful because when a guy is running free to the endzone you throw it to him even if he’s not on the same path he ran in practice. You don’t throw the ball where he’s supposed to be you throw it where he is when he’s wide open. And Gore is not 6’6" but that overthrow just got away from him.
The pass that bounced off Crabs hands for a near INT was unnecessary. There was another receiver on the left side of the field opposite Crabs position that was wide open. It looks like they ran 2 slant hook routes and Crabs got covered up and the other guy (not sure who it was) was uncovered. The MLB followed Smith’s eyes right to Crabs. Sucks because it was 3rd down and we had to punt.
Smith’s best throw of the day was on the first offensive play on the deep play action pass to Morgan. It actually hit his hands but he just couldn’t come up with it. I was like WOW an accurate deep ball!
Anyways that’s all I can think of right now.
Dang this was a long comment maybe it should have been a post.
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
i think
i dont think thats really our style as a team to get lots of penalties that was just a very tight crew of refs. that really could of let the guys play a lil more esp for teams who scrimage each other every year and have a long history of playing another. sure some things can be cleaned up with some of the extended arm holding calls, but overall i dont think this is a place that we need to be worried. the important aspect of that game was we didnt turn the ball over.
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