49ers-Broncos: Looking Ahead At The QB Position
by David Fucillo on Oct 24, 2010 2:40 PM PDT
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There were plenty of crushing blows in today's 23-20 49ers loss to the Carolina Panthers. One of the many has to be Alex Smith suffering a sprained shoulder early in the third quarter that resulted in an ineffective David Carr coming out to play. I don't have video of the post-game press conferences, but Maiocco tweeted that Smith said he expects to make the trip to London where he will then have an MRI.
Smith indicated he thinks the injury is to his left AC joint. I tweeted injury expert Will Carroll about the injury and what kind of recovery time it could mean. A quick search of Google would indicate a wide variety of potential recovery times depending on the severity. For example, last year Florida Atlantic QB Rusty Smith suffered an AC sprain and missed the final five weeks of the 2009 college football season. At the same time, it could be a low grade sprain and Smith could be playing by next week. We won't get an update until tomorrow early afternoon at the earliest, so we'll definitely have an update at that point.
In the meantime, the 49ers find themselves needing to consider their alternatives for next Sunday's game against the Broncos. David Carr was brought in as the primary backup to Smith and was rolled out today when Smith went down. Carr looked fairly abysmal most of the time as he lacked arm strength and accuracy. The rust was readily apparent. While most people wouldn't like it, I would be really surprised if Carr was not the starting QB next Sunday. That doesn't mean he will have a long leash, but Singletary brought him in to be the #2, and I think he'll stick with that.
Of course, that doesn't mean we have to agree with that decision. I can't imagine there are many people here that would start David Carr next week against the Broncos. And I know we've got some big contingents in support of Troy Smith and/or Nate Davis.
Given that, why not roll out a poll for who you think should be starting on Sunday against the Broncos IF Alex Smith is unavailable to play. This is not a question of who you think will start, but rather who you would WANT starting. And if you vote for David Carr for anything other than trying to be funny (trust me, it wouldn't be funny), I'm sure many folks would like to know why.
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do we have to?
9/8/10: 49ers go 11-5, Lose to Falcons first round. Smitty: 3500/25/15. Gore: 1300 yards, 10 TDs. Crabtree: 1000 yards, 7 TDs. Vernon: 900 yards, 8 TDs
by MichaelClutchtree on Oct 24, 2010 2:41 PM PDT reply actions
Ditto
Really… what’s the point right now? Clearly this is just a bad, bad team. We need to start thinking about our future coaching staff, and getting value from some of our veterans.
This season is a loss and we are officially in rebuilding mode.
Carr should be cut and Davis brought back at third string and we should play them both and look for a spark but if not. No sense is worrying about wins and losses anymore.
by Delmuir on Oct 24, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quarterback Change!
Mike Singletary, I hope you take this time and consider starting Nate Davis at QB. In preseason this young man played well. This is a QB league, and if you look at the rest of the league, having a great QB can take any team along way. Regardless… of talent around them good or bad. They will go out and get it done. Alex Smith, has ha…d six years in the league to prove he can be that QB. This is the one peace that is missing for this team. There is alot of talent on this team. 62% voted that Nate should start this game against Dever. The Rams have S. Bradford, he has won 3 games for the Rams, Falcons have M. Ryan he came in to the league and went to the playoffs his fist year,The NY Jets have M. Sanchez his first year playoffs, and so many more QB came into the league and made a differents. It time for a change.
by Runnenwater on Oct 25, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone that chants/chanted (earlier this season)
We Want Carr! Knows nothing about football… T. Smith at least is mobile.
by danknerd49 on Oct 24, 2010 2:41 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I've seen this exact post about a dozen times now.
So what does that mean? Do you walk with pride down the street tomorrow proudly saying, “Yeah, well, I wasn’t chanting for David Carr.” Do you get points for knowing beforehand that Singletary wanted a stiff as the backup so no one would want to bench Smith? Alex Smith has sucked. David Carr sucked today. And the guy who had Smith #1 and Carr #2 on the roster sucks.
The team is badly coached, the offensive strategy is terrible overall (although I saw a couple nice wrinkles early in the game), heck, the defensive strategy sucks too.
The only thing that makes sense is to see if Davis or Smith is worth holding onto for next year. And playing those two would be Singletary’s parting gift to the Niners.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 24, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone that let it all ride on Alex Smith
and set it up so there was no competition for the starting gig, knows nothing about coaching football.
How could a quarterback with a helmet THAT cool be SO bad?
by Rod Blogojevich on Oct 24, 2010 2:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 4 recs
Well I tweeted ESPN’s Stephania Bell and she said worst case scenario for Smith is
If complete triceps tear, likely surgery, done for year
It doesn’t look like the worst case scenario, thank god. But he should be out a few weeks…..
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison
how did you get that pink?!?
was it pink for breast cancer?
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
Hey, if he were healthy
Smith could have led us to a 3-13 season.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 24, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank God this apparently decent human being is not severely injured.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Holy [site decorum]
I thought 3 weeks at worst.
Didn’t know it could be that serious.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
How do you post pink , it's pretty ...;)
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
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We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
GO DATE NAVIS!
9/8/10: 49ers go 11-5, Lose to Falcons first round. Smitty: 3500/25/15. Gore: 1300 yards, 10 TDs. Crabtree: 1000 yards, 7 TDs. Vernon: 900 yards, 8 TDs
by MichaelClutchtree on Oct 24, 2010 2:45 PM PDT reply actions
Wait a minute
How old is Steve Young’s kids?
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 24, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
David Carr may not be able to play QB at an NFL level, but let’s not forget the joy he brought us at Niners Nation when he never showed up to his own press conference.
by Rod Blogojevich on Oct 24, 2010 2:48 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather have breakfast at tiffany's
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
exactly
Whether it’s Troy Smith or Nate Davis, I think you gotta try something other than Carr. I’d say probably Troy Smith given the preparation complaints about Nate Davis in the preseason.
by David Fucillo on Oct 24, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
i like smith, troy that is, mainly because of his arm, but well see
by Edrick Willis on Oct 24, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I really don’t think his arm is that bad.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s probably average-ish.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I voted Nate Davis
if we had a chance to make the playoffs this season I’d vote for Troy Smith but this season is done with, so lets see what we’ve got.
by smileyman on Oct 24, 2010 2:48 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Start Carr if you're still in denial
Which Sing is!! If you still think there is a chance to make the post season, go with Carr. If you know there isn’t much left, you see what you have in young players. Play Nate Davis.
So true.
Maybe play Carr next week if they don’t know where they stashed Nate, But it’s time to see what’s in the future for Nate.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 24, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
If you still think there is a chance to make the post season, go with Carr.
What a puzzling sentence.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
because that's how Sing rolls
“Carr is the backup” he’ll say something blunt like that…be matter-of-fact about it despite the writing ALL OVER the wall (and the ceiling and the floor)
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
AC joint
is usually pretty serious..the good news is its not his throwing arm..that being said. my prediction: A. Smith misses next week.
Nate Davis will not see the field this season
He probably won’t last long in the league either. Troy Smith will not see the field unless Alex Smith is out for a while and David Carr gets hurt. There’s a reason why T. Smith wasn’t even considered for the starting spot in Baltimore.
I’ve never seen anybody overrating Troy Smith. If anything, his NFL career has been an uphill battle against criticism.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm.
Let me see. Do I take Rocky’s greater knowledge of all things football and sit quietly as David Carr and the Niners sink, or do I actually want to see if the guy with the accurate rocket arm in preseason is any good?
I’d rather not go to a respectable 1-15 with David Carr.
And the exercise isn’t about what the Niner braintrust is going to do. It’s what we want to see.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 24, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
when was he accurate?
Why are guys chanting for a practice squad player that no one has picked up?
Give Carr at least one chance, then Troy, then Special Nate.
I’m sorry im just upset, we do need to see what we have for the next coaching staff, so I agree to play Davis, just I would give Troy the start first. Nate Davis is not very good based on his performances thus far.
What????
Nate Davis has beenpretty good based on his performance so far. The question is, can he do it in a regular season game? We need to see Nate now. It won’t happen cause if he lights it up, he makes Stupidtary look even worse fr cutting him and putting him on the P squad!
Play Nate Davis
What do we have to lose, the season is pretty much shot. Put Davis in there and evaluate in depth our horrible QB situation.
Close your eyes. Picture a convict. What's he wearing? Nothing special, baseball cap on backwards, baggy pants... he says something ordinary like... 'yo, thats shizzle.' Okay. Now slowly open your eyes again. Who are you picturing? A black man? Wrong. That was a white woman. Surprised? Well, shame on you.
by Jordan Wareham on Oct 24, 2010 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
Singletary has to know that he’s a dead man walking on the sideline now.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 24, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
AS I HAVE PLEADED EVERY WEEK...
Nate: he has an arm, he towers over the line (less batted balls), he is mobile, he shows good instinct, and most important, he demonstrates leadership – our offense has the pieces, but it lacks a motivating leader – I (think) I see bits of that in Davis.
Put Megatron in (laser cannon arm)….I want one of those free nate shirts, Fooch…
If he does horible, Ill put a bag over my head…(like a few others prob are too…..)
I voted for Troy
because I doubt Nate will be given the chance, plus who do we release to bring Nate up from the PS?
Carr?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Well its good to know Mike Johnson likes Nate Davis, that might mean
a possibility of him starting a game. that would be awesome to see this year. Screw Carr.
"We are not a charity, we cannot GIVE them the game." -Mike Singletary
Quarterback Change!
Mike Singletary, I hope you take this time and consider starting Nate Davis at QB. In preseason this young man played well. This is a QB league, and if you look at the rest of the league, having a great QB can take any team along way. Regardless… of talent around them good or bad. They will go out and get it done. Alex Smith, has ha…d six years in the league to prove he can be that QB. This is the one peace that is missing for this team. There is alot of talent on this team. 62% voted that Nate should start this game against Dever. The Rams have S. Bradford, he has won 3 games for the Rams, Falcons have M. Ryan he came in to the league and went to the playoffs his fist year,The NY Jets have M. Sanchez his first year playoffs, and so many more QB came into the league and made a differents. It time for a change.
by Runnenwater on Oct 25, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Went a Niner bar to watch the game ...
.. and when Alex got hurt ( these Moron’s ) …started clapping and yelling chanting Carr … I have to tell you i never seen a more CLASSLESS group of people in my life …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Actually have these idot's couldn't understand why they didn't put N Davis , instead ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Uneducated and drunk yes ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
I had to leave and listen to rest of the game in my car ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Wow
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I voted Davis but its going to be Carr
This is it for Sing and he knows it. He doesn’t benefit from playing Davis as it’s a admission of loss of the season. Playing Carr means he hasn’t given up on the season or his job.
It's a no-brainer
Troy Smith all the way. He was poised to be a starter on Baltimore and came down with a virus that let Flacco in early. Troy has a strong arm, is mobile and a team leader. Not only that but -- they should give Teddy Ginn in more as a WR and let Troy and he work their magic again!
by Jeff I on Oct 24, 2010 2:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You do realize that they released T Smith in favor of M Bulger ... enough said about T Smith ...!!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Considering that
Westbrook has been on the squad since preseason and he apparently hasn’t learned the offense, what makes anyone think that Davis or T. Smith will be able to handle this offense?
By the way, when considering this year’s Niners brains should be left out of the discussion.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 24, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
there have actually
more importantly, pass protections specific to the 49ers system.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
Davis knows the offense fairly well
he’s been here a year and a half and though he didn’t know it all in preseason I bet he still knows more of it than T.Smith does.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
+1 lol
From a fans perspective, I agree completely. But from a coach’s perspective, you have to start Carr if you think there is any chance.
I want to hear this in April next year:
The 49ers select… PATRICK PETERSON… Cornerback…. LSU
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison
He'll be a Lion
Here’s what Goodell will say:
With the first pick in the 2011 NFL draft…The San Francisco 49ers select…Andrew Luck…Quarterback…Stanford
Loud screams and police sirens will then be heard as chikmagnet_565 streaks outside Radio City Music Hall
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but will anyone notice ?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
yes
That’s why I said loud screams and police sirens.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
they'll notice someone streaking
but they’ll wonder how he was born without a……
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
Fix the defense and the qb plays better
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison
How does that work?
The Defense played terrible in the final moments today but they played really well before that.
Why can’t the 49ers win 27-23?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Smith was a redshirt sophomore
Same as Luck. Both were more of the mobile quarterback variety and weren’t much of a pocket passer either. Next year’s quarterback will be Kevin Kolb.
That would work very well...
Provided we had a head coach who wasn’t hell bent on running an offense that doesn’t fit the available talent pool.
FAIL
I’ll be posting FAIL after all these types of comments.
You deserve no better.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
ANDREW LUCK IS A GOOD POCKET PASSER.
He does not play in the same gimmicky offense that Alex Smith did. I don’t know why you still think the two are similar quarterbacks.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
just suggestions
ryan mallet or jake locker?
by Edrick Willis on Oct 24, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I went and saw Jake Locker last night at the Washington-Arizona game
nothing spectacular. I wouldnt want him on our team. If he has nowhere to throw he won’t do anything with the ball but run or hesitate. really only had one nice deep pass, but thats it.
"We are not a charity, we cannot GIVE them the game." -Mike Singletary
I watched the game
The TV people kept talking about how hurt and banged up he is, suggesting it’s possible he shouldn’t even be playing.
Wow
Just…wow.
Amazing how people can be so [site decorum] [site decorum]
At least compare him to Trent Edwards or something (it’s a valid comparison) but to say he’s anything remotely similar to Alex Smith is downright [site decorum]
Go hide in shame.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Or...
The 49ers have traded their 1/1 pick to the Colts in exchange for Peyton Manning…lol
Close your eyes. Picture a convict. What's he wearing? Nothing special, baseball cap on backwards, baggy pants... he says something ordinary like... 'yo, thats shizzle.' Okay. Now slowly open your eyes again. Who are you picturing? A black man? Wrong. That was a white woman. Surprised? Well, shame on you.
Even better
Close your eyes. Picture a convict. What's he wearing? Nothing special, baseball cap on backwards, baggy pants... he says something ordinary like... 'yo, thats shizzle.' Okay. Now slowly open your eyes again. Who are you picturing? A black man? Wrong. That was a white woman. Surprised? Well, shame on you.
by Jordan Wareham on Oct 24, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard he's gonna wait til 2011 to sign a deal, meaning we can at least give him an offer
and maybe with a new head coach who appreciates Qb play, we can get the FO to consider that option.
"We are not a charity, we cannot GIVE them the game." -Mike Singletary
we should offer Peyton Manning the head coaching job
in addition to starting QB.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Don't think he would
I think he would go crazy with the talent we have and get the ball out quick and down the field.
down field to who, only Davis can go, ginn will run from theball.
morgan won’t be open nor will Crabshe
I acknowledge
Smith is gun shy
He doesn’t throw receivers open. Manning does all the time. He puts the ball where only his players can get it. He also reads defenses like no one else. I guarantee he makes our O-line look like pro bowlers
God couldn't make the O line look like Pro bowler'S
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
this isn't too far off
Manning can get rid of the ball in a few seconds if he has to…he makes just about anyone they put in at WR look good…can you think of a WR they’ve had play in the last few years who looked bad most of the time? Neither can I. Manning probably gets the most out of any situation of any QB.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
Crabtree was open today
The OL couldn’t block worth a damn though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Go, None of the Above!
To be fair, Carr should be given a chance to prove himself after a week of practicing with the starters. But to appearances, he is a guy who shouldn’t be the backup to a guy who shouldn’t be the starter. Unfortunately, it seems Singletary inadequately provided in the off-season for the situation the team finds itself in now—with no reliable starter at QB.
Unreasonable haste is the direct road to error.--Moliere
Carr showed that he could play in New York
When he got put into the game. I’m going to put blame on Mike Johnson for not calling plays as if the starter was in. You can’t show lack of confidence in a player even if it is the back up, sure there may be some limitations, but as soon as Carr was in the playcalling was predictable again.
You mean after the 49ers were nearly backed up to the goal line
Where it was an obvious passing down? I meant the actual first series where he started with a first and 10.
cant forget
the offensive penalties by rookies and veterans alike..but carr not being able to throw over 20yards is painful.
I know what youre saying
But if anything, that should make things easier on Carr. Run the ball and don’t put your backup QB in bad situations. Almost every ball he threw was terrible.
Except that
Mike Johnson is doing the same as Jimmy Raye. What is the constant? Singletary.
I actually saw some nice wrinkles for the Niner offense today. Splitting two tight ends wide forced the Panthers to move their linebackers into coverage. That opened the box for Gore. Now I don’t think that Johnson forgot that between the first and third quarter.
Singletary’s MO is to run his offense defensively. No risks. Well, no risks means no success. I’m guessing that part of it was that Carr was so unprepared, but that’s again on the coach.
All the people who thought that Alex Smith was gunshy? I think Singletary is gunshy. The defense is playing too defensively too.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 24, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I cannot agree, I doubt Singleetary says i want Norris in the game, or I want to see this formation.
Johnson is not experienced, he went away from what was working, and again, he hasn’t installed his entire offense.
I acknowledge
Let's just run the Wishbone
Passing is obviously problematic for this team.
by suffrin9erfan on Oct 24, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Not about the quarterbacks but
Mike Sando
Seahawks RB Michael Robinson has knee injury and will not return, according to the team.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison
Sucks
Hopefully he gets healthy soon.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
HE WAS A QUARTERBACK AT PENN STATE WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE LET HIM GO WHAT’S ARNAZ BATTLE DOING RIGHT NOW???
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Wow. A fly-by grouging for a comment about Michael Robinson.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I was actually going to make a Michael Robinson at QB joke, and then I was skimming through the thread and forgot what I was going to say, so mike’s comment was very fortuitous for me.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Kolb and Vick headline qb's
Cornerbacks are Antonio Cromartie, Jonathan Joseph, and Champ Bailey.
49ers should draft Peterson, and sign Eric Weddle as a free agent.
Bailey or Joseph
Joseph has really good speed, would help with our slow secondary
by sanfranfanmdk on Oct 24, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Champ, we need a vet out there and we obviously need a new DB coach.
Our db’s don’t know what the difference is between man and zone.
I acknowledge
Right so another disguise technique, i get it.......where are these pass rushers coming from?
Unproven rookies? I pass
I acknowledge
agreed
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I want Joseph
Didn’t know he was a FA.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
why does everyone keep saying Kolb?
He got a new deal this off-season people!
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
Michael Vick
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
49ERS POSTGAME PRESS CONFERENCE
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison
by limited reps he means he sucks
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison
not for the 49ers
unless of course you mean replacing below-average CB’s with other below-average CB’s
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
Start Troy
and if he plays decently cut David Carr so Nate Davis can be brought up as the 3rd qb. Who knows, Troy Smith may even play well enough to earn a shot at starting.
I think cb is alot bigger need than QB. Also in light of this seasons awful cb play does the drafting of two o lineman instead of two cb’s seem smart?
No, makes sense to get OL, the question is why take crabtree over Oher? We could have taken McCourty afterwards...
I acknowledge
Last I checked the 49ers offense still isn’t scoring 17 points a game. The defense still isn’t close to leagues worst.
And our defense knows how to give up that slim lead in 4 minutes
Awful season ….
QB is still the biggest problem on the team. Never going get far having to win every game with the defense holding the opponent under 20 points.
We are losing because we can't score points and put the game away
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
we are losing because we just aren't good enough....
there are too many holes and the play-calling is dreadful
You lost all credibility there son
Joe Haden sucks
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
hmm
when is it going to brought up that drafting micheal crabtree was a mistake and getting vontae davis would have been a much smarter move.
When its clear that we have a good QB
We will never know how good Crabtree can really be without a good QB who can get him the ball.
ok
wasnt it known at that point though that we didnt have a QB alex smith and shaun hill were battling right. i just dont see any improvments in our offensesince bringing him here.
True
But then that goes back to draft philosophy. If we were drafting for need, then I agree. But we were picking based on talent and best player available. Hindsight 20/20, Oher should’ve been picked.
ok
so why not do as pats do and trade trade back and make up better odds for yourself in raw numbers?
3 time Superbowl winning Coach and FO
Why don’t all teams do it?? New England knows how evaluate players and find talent in late rounds. I would not expect the 49ers FO to be able to do that. And then have the kind of coaches to get the most out of them.
wait one sec
they got 3 rings because they were cheating remember they got caught so i dont give them too much credit but he did learn from parchells on how to make the draft work for you.
I'd take 3 rings from cheating
Over this crappy team right now. Right? I’d also take The Cheater, Belichick himself, over Sing.
Really?
I love Vontae but he’s constantly getting beat by double moves. In fact not being the 49ers seems like destiny short changed him.
I wasn’t a huge fan of the Crabtree selection but he adds more to the 49ers than Vontae.
He’s a copy of Clements. Right down to a tee, good coverage, great run support and just awful at times against the double moves.
I like Clements .It’s the NFL, no CB shuts down anyone and everyone has a weakness. My point is Vontae is spinning the wheels as far as franchise development. The 49ers have the same exact CB, they had to use the pick to upgrade another position.
The shutdown CB is a myth...
…in the current NFL. Because of the rules re contact, it’s more important to have a strong pass rush.
I'm finding it hard to watch any football at this moment ...!!
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I voted Troy Smith
I’d like to see what the Heisman winner could do with a week of reps, but I would activate Nate Davis, jsut in case.
Davis Carr, blah. Might as well have Ken Dorsey.
Touchdown Forty Niners!
i voted nate
something about a QB with a cannon makes it just thats mjuch moreof a threat on the field for defenses.
I’ve got Druckenmiller on the phone.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Oooo, a conference call.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I would also ask Gore what stat line he wants to hit .... 1000 yards?
Tell him they will let him hit it than that is it. He goes on the shelf to preserve. Hopefully we can get a [site decorum] team around for once in his career next season.
Whom ever get's the start , Just get us a WIN ...!!
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If this team is better than 3-13 than someone should have been fired twice. Lose, put yourself in position to get a franchise changer.
idk
the bad teams usualy stay bad and they gets those picks year after year. with the draft you have to accept your gonna be wrong more than your gonna be right and high picks lock you into players that for the most part do not pan out.
Not really
Bad teams stay bad mostly because they end up trading those drafted players away after 3 seasons for failing to live up “the savior” factor.
Go look at Florida Danny’s postings over the summer. Drafting higher clearly correlates into get getting better players, it was as clear as day with an exponential curve.
Look at the bad teams that have sucked for a long time
Buffalo
Cleveland
San Francisco
Buffalo hasn’t drafted QB in the top half of the first round in decades.
Cleveland refuses to draft a QB high
San Francisco refuses to give up on Alex Smith.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Only once
Give it another shot.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
They haven't?
The Falcons, Jets, Lions, and Rams disagree.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
COWHER
i hope we make a push for Cowher He IS discipline and he’ll put a staff together that will teach the game to our guys
I don't like that idea at all
The Cowboys need discipline. Wade is too soft. With Cowher, they could be a really good team. Who here wants that??
Good he is out now let’s get Nate in !!! LET"S GO NINERS Sing Your next open it up for the QB"S Fank is not the only man on the team you just cant run and run and run ? NEXT PLAY RUN AND F%^&? RUN !!!!!!!!
Can put that on the offense anymore
They have been moving the ball better, mixing it up better, even running it better. All the losing is definitely a team effort and helped out a lot by the coaching.
You remind me of some people i just saw at a Niner bar ...!!
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How the hell did this even happen?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Some hope for next week lol
49ers por vida!!!!!!!!!!!!
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 24, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate Davis
After the bye week… Pretty much everybody playing for job security by then anyway. If he can start a winning streak toward the end of the year, maybe we start drafting DEs and OLBs that can get some sacks and more pressure. CBs is also a worth looking at this draft.
Start with 1 and never look back till week 17
It's not that we need OLB/PR it is that the defense doesn't use them correctly
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Alex
If Alex is healthy give him the shot to prove himself if not let Nate or Troy play……We all know now that Sing is a great motivater but not a great teacher or talent evaluator
Nate....
Troy has not even played a snap for us. Carr is Alex Smith minus a brain and we know Nate can let the ball fly. Let him prove his arm can get our receivers the ball down the field every once in a while and ride the GORE express next week.
Troy Smith
Dude is mobile, can throw the ball and never really got a real shot in Baltimore. We’ve got nothing to lose so let’s evaluate all our talent. If Troy doesn’t work out after a few games, then try Nate out some more. Doesn’t really matter and at least it’d be interesting (if not entertaining).
by NashvilleNinersFan on Oct 24, 2010 3:53 PM PDT reply actions
DO NOT....
Use Nate Davis at all. Ive watched every second of every game including the preseason. And anybody else who has watched it and not just heard about his arm would know that Nate Davis is far from being even a decent QB in the league. He showed that he has potential and does have a massive arm but isnt ready to take a snap in the regular season. Especially because he played pretty bad against 2nd, 3rd, and 4th string players in preseason games. trust me, if your going for Davis instead of Carr or Smith, you have absolutley no idea what your talking about and obviously havnt watched him play.
Go Davis!
Listen, we’re talking about drafting a QBOTF. Now if we’re ok with throwing him to the wolves just like we did Smith, cool. Lets start Carr or T. Smith. But if we want to develop someone who start next year while the rookie develops (cause the season is over), then we need to get Davis some snaps. He isn’t a meeting room, film guy. He is a get on the field, throw the ball, run the plays kind of guy. He will struggle early but improve over time.
The London game should be renamed the Employment Bowl- the two coaches are battling hard for their jobs, the loser gets canned!
by Rod Blogojevich on Oct 24, 2010 3:58 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
can we trade?
would it be much worse?
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
My old Sig is late a week.
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Cut Carr, hire Jeff Garcia
Today, everyone saw why signing Carr and cutting Sean Hill was a terrible mistake. Jeff Garcia can mentor Troy and Nate and help determine if either of them can be starters. It’s really about next season now and, even at 40, you can’t tell me Garcia will not be a huge upgrade on Carr.
I like it!
Get Garcia out of Oklahoma or wherever he’s playing in the Midwest and put the ball in his hands!
by NashvilleNinersFan on Oct 24, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Garcia is in Nebraska
Garcia’s Nighthawlks are 3-1 and he had a 90.5 QB rating and 65% completion percentage in his last season with the Bucs. Why he isn’t signed to an NFL team is beyond me.
The UFL season ends 11/19, so he may be contractually obligated until then
by suffrin9erfan on Oct 24, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Prop's to this ^^^^^...!!
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Yeah he can
But that’s point. He will struggle early but he will be miles ahead by the end. But I don’t think he can’t do worse than Carr.
Start Alex Smith in London
let’s see if he can play hurt
I like it!
Get Smith out of his hospital bed or MRI machine and put the ball in his hands!
by NashvilleNinersFan on Oct 24, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Because that worked so well last time we did it.
/facepalm/
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Just retarded his development...
For another two years… God, the 49ers are champs at QB development.
Right now...
I don’t really care.
I need a few days.
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i hope
i hope everyone here remebers with alex smith in the game even before he was hurt we were losing the game. our ofense didnt show we could move the ball much unless we handed it off to frank. the coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball failed to play to win the game instead they tryed not to lose which is always a bad stradegy.
Only two weeks ago it was the everyone thought Alex Smith was a superstar.
I’m excited to see what it is two weeks from now.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
who wanted carr?
i know with alex we got to record of 1-6 so one could say lets try anything othr than that . now i guess we will see what happens with this injury.
oh that's right, Alex played the entire game today...
must have missed the part where he came back in and failed to hit open receivers and threw a game losing INT
by sanfranfanmdk on Oct 24, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
lol when smith went down we were losing carr was expected to win the game and came of short sound familiar. smith played 3 quarters of the game and now that loss falls on carr?
And you forget
the defense gave Carr a lead (never gave Alex a defensive TD all year) and he still gave them game away
by sanfranfanmdk on Oct 24, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
really that 10 yard zone cushion defense. to the run run run ohh here carr try now to throw on 3 14 full spread which we hadnt done once when smith was in but now lets tell the defense we are passing for carr. lets try and run the ball with 40 secs left.
They converted a 3rd and 21 a couple of games ago
by sanfranfanmdk on Oct 24, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
what does that mean?
who cares if we did how often does it happen and what are the odds of converting a 3 plus 10 nill and doesnt leave your team in a strong position to convert.
You said
“to the run run run ohh here carr try now to throw on 3 14 full spread which we hadnt done once when smith was in”
Smith has converted 3rd and longs before, Carr just has a weak arm with high school accuracy
by sanfranfanmdk on Oct 24, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
forgive me
i worded it wrong in this game they hadnt went full spread . it wasnt on the 3 14 when they did they went full spread on first down with carr. i know you wacthed the game and even remembering the comentaters commenting on it because it didnt make sense. carr is not the man or anything but i blame coaching for this loss not carr.
It is a combo of both....
I mean the entire reason they signed Carr in favor of Hill was so that if Smith got hurt, there would be no drop off in style of play. Of course they didn’t realize Carr has a terrible arm and is a sack magnet, so I would have preferred to keep Hills leadership around
by sanfranfanmdk on Oct 24, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope, wrong...
the game was tied, Smith got hurt, next possession the Panthers got a FG to take the lead
by sanfranfanmdk on Oct 24, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Umm did you even watch the game?
I know you must really hate Smith, but check the game notes/play by play if you still don’t remember….it was tied at half time, then this:
San Francisco – 15:00
1st-10, SF20 15:00 A. Smith incomplete pass to the right
2nd-10, SF20 14:57 San Francisco committed 10 yard penalty
2nd-20, SF10 14:30 A. Smith sacked by C. Johnson
3rd-28, SF2 14:02 D. Carr incomplete pass to the left
4th-28, SF2 13:47 A. Lee punt. S. Smith returned punt for 2 yard loss
Notice the “D. Carr incomplete pass to the left” This is where Carr took over
by sanfranfanmdk on Oct 24, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
ok
carr comes in on third and 28 smith doesnt play defense so under what he did in the game he left of us a losing position.
Nope, the game was tied, is that hard to understand?
You are right, he DOESN’T play defense so he didn’t give up the FG that gave the Panthers the lead….and don’t blame him for the BS holding call that put them in the 2nd and 20, and don’t blame him for A. Davis completely whiffy on his block and having him cream Smith
When you come off as a blind hater, all of your comments will be laughed at or ignored
by sanfranfanmdk on Oct 24, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
the team
scored just as many points in less time without smith than they did with smith, but some how this loss gets blamed on carr. same situation last year during the texans game everyone hear i remember very well blamed that loss on hill kinda a double standard dont you think .
I have never said Hill is completely to blame for that loss....
but your comparison actually helps the case for Smith because he came in and the offense actually scored TDs….and Hill was taken out because he was ineffective, unlike this case where Alex got injured
by sanfranfanmdk on Oct 24, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually liked Hill and was annoyed they traded him
if he could have had Smiths physical abilities, that would be one heck of a QB
by sanfranfanmdk on Oct 24, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Not the same thing...
Smith put up 3 TDs that game. Carr? 1 INT. He did nothing to move the ball down the field. If was able to move the ball at all, that would’ve meant better field position, less time on the clock, and more rest for the Defense.
man
its alot diffent to put up points in junk time than it is when the game was on the line what happend when the game was online in that loss smith throew a pick didnt he. as he has done countless time when the game is on the line
An entire half is not junk time lol
So he comes in at half, has three great drives that result and TDs, and his 4th drive (near the end of the game) results in a TO and you say he sucked? I mean most QB’s would LOVE to have 3/4 success rate of drives in a half
by sanfranfanmdk on Oct 24, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Lets see...
I’ll let you guess which is which. One guy came in in the 2nd half down by 21. He scores 3 TD’s to make it a game. The other guy comes in, plays poorly, defense gives him the lead, blows the lead, and throws an INT that sets up a game winning FG. Which is better??
really
that loss comes down more on the coaching staff then it does carr. and losing is losing they played the game not to lose and didnt try to win thats what i saw from the play calling. what did you see?
I saw an even worse offense
An inept offense that couldn’t move the ball, gave up bad field position, and didn’t give the defense time to rest. Maybe Alex wouldn’t have been much better, but I doubt the play calling is so conservative if he didn’t get hurt.
we
we wernt moving the ball with alex either was was he 9 for 19 gore was moving the ball and once they showed they wernt gonna call anything but run that defense basically stacked the box how many times have we seen this now MJ looked alot like jimmy raye today.
He wasn't scoring
But was taking time off the clock and putting the defense in better field position. And MJ only went conservative when Carr looked like he was trying miss his receivers.
who
who really cares about the team that almost game back. if that were the case then they should have a stat created for alex the games that were almost won lol.
na
what iam saying is this loss goes on the coaches and people should take notice of some of the double stands they set. how many wins did we get last year because our defense got 5 turnovers so everyone over looked smiths bad play.
Ok
On offense, MJ did what he could with what he had. Carr was throwing horrible passes. Can have your QB throwing those kind of passes when the game is still close and TOs are game killers. But I will give you Manusky. I thought if they were going to let the secondary get torched all game, at least go man to man and put tons of pressure on Moore. He had tons of time all game.
manusky
in that stupid shell zone with all the speed we have at the linbacker position is just getting older with me each time i see it i just wanna scream. the def. was on the field for 36 mins though and only gave up 20 so he stradegy is effective but still irritatesme at the end of games when he goes into that prevention to win defense.
I agree 100%
We can’t get good consistent QB pressure for it to be very effective. I know its cause we don’t have quality corners and they are easily beaten. But I don’t know why they don’t put pressure early and take them out of their rhythm. Make them jumpy and make bad throws.
MJ
MJ screwed this one up plain and simple as coach you gotta be prepared for this stuf smith does alot of short intermediate passes that iam sure carr would have done alot better with than just trying to convert 3 and a mile.
I agree
But with a guy coming off the bench, you have to reestablish the run game, especially when he isn’t throwing very well. If he would’ve thrown 2 more completions, I bet MJ opens it up more. One thing you can’t blame him for is #76, #74, #85. Lots of dumb penalties.
so
you pas on first down with like a lil wide out screen or something get his confidnece up maybe some swing passes but dont go to a full spread on first down like he did he threw the man to the wolves.
I agree
I thought why not throw a screen to Crabtree. That screen to Ginn last week went for 20. WTF?? Where were those? But I wonder if MJ thought, at first, that Carr would handle it fine, only he didn’t.
treat
you treat qbs like shooting guards dont have them shooting from the outside until they make a lay up .
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Jeebus..
Every Charger loss means Norv Turner as HC of the 49ers next season.
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For my sanity I have to believe that if Norv fails his way out of the job that he only got by being best friends with the GM, he never works as anything but a coordinator again.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Chan Gailey is head coach of the Bills
Your logic is invalid.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
has any OC ever been fired and rehired in the same capacity by the same team?
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
Ugh, no...
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
BUT HE TURNED ALEX SMITH AROUND!!..
Sincerely,
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Don't say those things!
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
It get's worse..
Jed gives Singletary a promotion because he is to afraid to fire him.
Sing named new VP in 2011.
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I think David Carr should challenge Moran Norris for his job. Did you see his lead block on that reverse?
Don't think we'll ever see Smith throw another pass as 49er
Some people couldn’t be more happy. I’m upset myself cause I knew what it would mean for our team if it happened. And we are one of the worst teams in the league and in rebuilding mode for the next couple of years at least.
If so
I will be ecstatic.
Alexcuses Smith is cursed. If it wasn’t for bad luck…he’d have no luck at all.
'Careful Grasshopper ~ that's a god you're mauling.'
Not getting it...
Our whole team is crap!! Yeah a lot of that is Smith, but him going down just means our team is worse. The season if already over and we’re not even halfway through the season. The next 2 years will probably be a wash too cause we’ll be in rebuilding mode. You’re right! I’m really really ecstatic!!!
No the QB is just crap
The rest of the offense is just young and inconsistent. The defense is suffering from buying into their own headlines and a defensive coordinator that cannot play call at the end of games.
The Alex Smith era is coming to an end, the insanity will finally be over.
The 49ers cannot score the necessary 20 points a game, it’s the been the QB first and foremost for years.
It can by a one year project if finally done right.
I understand both points
I’ve seen enough of Alex Smith to know he’s not the answer. Only a team with an extraordinary defense and running game and get by without a high-quality quarterback, and Smith isn’t it.
But let’s not kid ourselves about how good the team is. The first step is admitting that the 49ers are a bad team, then hiring a general manager and coach who will build on the ashes.
I'm saying he isn't
But ecstatic cause we’re one of the worst teams in the NFL right now?? What kind of fan is that?
I voted for Troy Smith, but I don’t think it matters too much. See what Troy Smith’s got for about a month, play Nate Davis in a few later games and see how well he does, and then next year’s coach can use that information to see if he wants to keep either of them.
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by groug on Oct 24, 2010 4:31 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
How about getting Jeff Garcia...
"Really Can't boo yourself" Alex Smith
Voted Troy Smith.
Just like him better than the other two (was never sold on Nate).
But I really hope Alex can play.
It just doesn't matter
Any sort of debate about the QB spot is a waste of time. The team has nobody good on the roster, or nobody who would be good under a system run by Mike Singletary.
QB by committee
Let Troy Smith play the first 2 quarters then Nate play after halftime
9/8/10: 49ers go 11-5, Lose to Falcons first round. Smitty: 3500/25/15. Gore: 1300 yards, 10 TDs. Crabtree: 1000 yards, 7 TDs. Vernon: 900 yards, 8 TDs
by MichaelClutchtree on Oct 24, 2010 5:07 PM PDT reply actions
I chose Troy
I think he has the most potential, and I love scrambling QBs. Growing up watching Young, I want someone who can throw, but who also runs like a RB. That is Troy.
That said, I think Nate may know the play book better. Even if he isn’t learning it well, he has been here a while.
This team isn’t playing good enough to run the season, with or without Alex. So we need to evaluate our talent. Troy and Nate should play from here out. But I know Carr will. And Carr will play better next week. Significantly I think. He can’t do worse.
Time to just blow this thing up and start over. Start by hiring a GM first.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Oct 24, 2010 5:20 PM PDT reply actions
i vote for...
fooch. you’re better than david carr. how the hell is he in the NFL and jeff garcia is in the UFL?
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 24, 2010 5:21 PM PDT reply actions
good call
I’ll make sure and pack my cleats this week.
by David Fucillo on Oct 24, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
the season...
is over. period. go find another way to spend your sundays. singletary’s going to be fired at the end of the season for sure. manusky should be fired already. they’re all an embarassment.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 24, 2010 5:23 PM PDT reply actions
Throw in Davis
I actually wouldn’t mind seeing T Smith either but realistically he will be a journeyman backup for the rest of his career, at least with N Davis even if he isnt the future we can show him off for the remainder of the season if he does well let him start next season while whoever we draft is watching and get some trade value out of N davis ala M. Schaub (not that Im saying hes on the same level), the key is getting some return on the time investment of N Davis, we wont ever see returns on T Smith but we never really invested anything to lose so no loss no gain. You set yourself up with Davis to see some positive returns if he shows any glimmer of hope. Remember Tim Rattay wasn’t a world beater but didn’t the Bucs give us something for him at the beginning of Alex’s career?
That's what I'm saying
Don’t throw the QB we draft to the wolves. At the end of the year, Smith is gone, Carr is gone. That leaves Davis and T. Smith. Davis knows the playbook better so let him have a crack at it.
And waste a season in the half in the process?
If Smith is gone for sure, why wait until next season to see if Davis is the guy. What if you wait until next season and then find out he isn’t the guy, and you didn’t take care of the problem? You find out now, then you have time to either draft a QB or pick one up through FA in the offseason.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Oct 24, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm agreeing
Play Davis now. Lets see if we have something or not. If he isn’t the guy, good. We can find a temp. veteran. If he plays well, we keep him until our drafted QB is ready.
I'm not thinking this season anymore
This season is over, IMO. Unfortunately, Sing is out of chances. That means he has the rest of the season to change Jed’s mind. If he plays Davis, he is admitting that the season is over. That doesn’t help him keep his job. He will start Carr.
My bad
I thought you meant throw Davis to the wolves like don’t play him because he’s not ready or something. But yeah I think that Sing would play Davis if he thought it was best for the team. He might not know how to coach but I don’t think he would purposefully hurt the team to save his job.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Oct 24, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Both.
Yes, I think this season is over, and have since they lost to the Chiefs. I do think the team has many good pieces, however. I don’t think the team needs a complete overhaul, but some positions really need help, those being the secondary and the QB position. Find out if either Troy Smith or Davis can be the future QB by giving both playing time, and if neither pan out than move on to the draft or FA.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Oct 24, 2010 5:33 PM PDT reply actions
personally...
i love how, now that everyone’s seen the abomination that is david carr, many of you are doubling down on abominations by calling for nate davis. jesus christ. when will you people wake up and realize that, if the 49ers are FORCED to start a mediocre QB (smith), and he’s 1,000,000 times better than his immediate backup, then the scout teamers like nate davis and troy smith must be about as good as chris weinke.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 24, 2010 5:39 PM PDT reply actions
I dont think everyone is saying that, Im not at least but Smith wont be coming back this season if the injury is what he thinks it is, he thinks because its his left he will be able to play as somebody the had the same injury on a left shoulder and tried to play for the same reasons I’ll tell you its not the same you can’t follow through because of the pain as you open up, I tore my right rotator cuff shortly after the doctor said I was over compensating with my right arm because of the injury to my left. I only hope Alex the best and realize hes got something left in the tank, that at this point I hope someone gets to see cause he seems like a genuine good guy. That being said he’s done for the season worst case or a few weeks best case you have to put someone else on the field, and Alex right now can’t be that guy…
yeah...
i don’t doubt that whatsoever, and the injury to smith forces the niners hand of course. i’m just commenting on the hilarious (at least to me) development of “we want carr!” until carr immediately shows himself to be about as good as me at NFL QB, and that now morphs into " we want nate." it’s one of those “fool me once…” situations.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 24, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate
I will say that very few people on this site have declared We Want Carr while the Nate Davis chant has been going on for a while. So maybe that means Nate Davis will be the real “foo me once situations” !
by David Fucillo on Oct 24, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
"fool me once..."
I think we are all fools if we think this season is anything but over. I’m only calling for Davis because I want to know what he’s got. I don’t necessarily care if he wins the next 5 or 6 out of 9. But I want to know if we have someone who care keep the seat warm for our QBOTF.
Not me
I’ve been for Alex all along and when he went down I knew we were screwed. Carr is horrible, I’ve also said THAT all along… I was just hoping he would never see the field. With that said; I voted Davis. I think it makes sense to put him in and see what he can do. He has shown a knack for making plays and looks comfortable in the pocket. I understand it was only preseason but still, that type of feel for the game can’t be taught.
(Support Alex Smith)
by return2greatness on Oct 24, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Davis showed no pocket presence this preseason...
He had the one highlight reel long completion, and a whole bunch of making David Carr look good. Although I put T. Smith in the poll, on grounds that he couldn’t look any worse than Carr did today, I’ve changed my mind. I’m going to say we should start Davis. I think this team needs the #1 pick in the draft. Nate-Dog will make 1-15 an absolute lock.
I wish
I knew you so I could bet you that Nate moves this team if he gets a chance. He will win games for this team if he gets a shot. If you felt like he did’nt perform well in the preseason, you’ve got blinders on. He has what it takes to play at this level. Stay tuned, if he plays.
He looked OK last preseason, but...
this year, there appears to have been no progress. They put him in a game a little earlier once this preseason, against guys that were going to be special-teamers instead of guys who will be in the CFL at some point. He had that one long throw and otherwise {site decorum} the bed in that game. IAt that point, I officially quit the Nate Davis fanclub. I don’t generally make bets unless I’m 100% sure I’m going to take all your money. In this case, I’d bet.
To be perfectly fair to me, I’ve more or less wanted Troy since we signed him. I just gave Alex my courtesy support until things got bad.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
QB not the problem, just the symptom
IMO:
Within a Walsh system, or some other coherent, creative, and intelligent offensive system, Smith would be much more successful. Putting any QB in the Nolan-Singletary non-system system is doomed to failure. I like Mike but I don’t believe he is the guy. He needs someone to tell him what to do and then let him do it with his particular fire and talent.. At this point the cart is leading the horse.
So, while I understand the calls for Nate Davis or even Carr or Luck, those are distractions from the underlying problems and fundamental limitations. Putting Johnson in as OC has been a positive shift, but still doesn’t address the core limitations. No QB solution will work as long as the underlying problems remain unconscious and unaddressed. I’m not sure that the Yorks have the ‘it’ to do what needs to be done. Eddie certainly did and he hired the right people and gave them what they needed to be successful. I’m not sure this will happen, but I would like to see Jed et al hire someone like Walsh [or even Holmgren or Shanahan for examples] would is intelligent enough to create a vision and strong enough to make it happen. Walsh had both and that was his genius.
We can tweak this all in our fantasies, and I do that too, but until the system is radically revisioned and rebulit nothing much will change. Fortunately there are many talented pieces in place that merely await the right visionary to ignite them so I don’t believe the rebuilding will be so long and so slow. Maybe this is just my hope, but with a core visionary President, GM, and Head Coach foundation, this ship can be righted.
I hope you're right
This season had already been extremely long and its not even halfway finished. I don’t know what I’ll do if this team is really bad for more than a year.
THIS>>>>
You have to have coaching that knows how to best utilize and exploit the talent they’ve been given. Would anyone in their right mind say that the Rams have more talent than the 49ers? No. Yet, the Rams have a better record. Why?
Because they’re building around their talent and not trying to make their talent fit the team they want. Why the hell do we insist on a gut run-heavy offense when we have Smith, Davis, Crabtree, Gore, Westbrook, Morgan, Zielger and Ginn? They look fantastic when Mike Singletary finally lets them spread out the field horizontally and vertically.
But we still don’t do that because Singletary is obsessed with “NOT LOSING GAMES,” instead of winning them.
Quarterback Change!
Mike Singletary, I hope you take this time and consider starting Nate Davis at QB. In preseason this young man played well. This is a QB league, and if you look at the rest of the league, having a great QB can take any team along way. Regardless… of talent around them good or bad. They will go out and get it done. Alex Smith, has ha…d six years in the league to prove he can be that QB. This is the one peace that is missing for this team. There is alot of talent on this team. 62% voted that Nate should start this game against Dever. The Rams have S. Bradford, he has won 3 games for the Rams, Falcons have M. Ryan he came in to the league and went to the playoffs his fist year,The NY Jets have M. Sanchez his first year playoffs, and so many more QB came into the league and made a differents. It time for a change.
by Runnenwater on Oct 25, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Davis because you might as well
At least he has upside. Playoffs are out of reach and Smith will likely not play for a while.
Davis is at least exciting.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Trade
Spikes, Goldson, Gore, Morgan, and Spencer
Get
as many draft picks as you can for them
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
And while you’re at it, keep Gore and Spencer.
I’ve actually been kind of bothered by the team’s draft strategy the last few years. Since 2007, it’s like they’ve been going out of their way to either stock up on late round picks or to have a small total number of picks.
This year no fourth or fifth round picks. Two years ago we had TWO picks before the 5th round. A year before that, only six total picks. This year alone, the Patriots had six picks before the fifth round even rolled around! That number was seven in 2009! Five in 2008! Two in 2007… but nobody’s perfect. And anyway, they get back up to five in 2006.
It’s probably not fair to compare anybody in today’s NFL to the Patriots when it comes to drafting, but the strategy is clear: as often as possible, have at least five picks in the first four rounds. Stock up on highly-scouted talent, not just just draft picks in general.
Which was basically the Mike Nolan draft strategy….
It’s weird to think that the 49ers had the most Patriot-like draft model when Mike Nolan was still handling GM duties, and have had a virtually anti-Patriot draft philosophy since.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
but we can more for them
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
I don’t really want to trade Gore and Spencer for decent picks, if we’re just going to flip those picks for piles and piles of seventh round goodness.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Bad comma. Bad, bad comma. Get out of there.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
comma comma comma comma comma chameleoooooon
you come and goooooo
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
Curious about people's opinions
Personally, I think Smith won’t throw another pass as a 49er. I think if he is healthy in a few weeks, they stick with the current starter. And I don’t think they bring him back. So who would want him? Would he be successful?
I think it depends on how the other qb does
If Alex is out say 4 games and the other 3 guys are abysmal they let Alex play as a sort of collect some tape for your next interview, but no I dont think he stays as much as I’d like him to, he’s not going to want to be a 1 year seat warmer for the next qb and we have to at some point turn the page, however he has been nowhere near the draft bust of a Leaf or Russell so thats a plus at least…
by Justin Heim on Oct 24, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
NEW THREAD NOW OPEN
This is about the report that ownership is “displeased” with the team’s coaching.
ok...so at this point
Carr sucks royally as any kind of back up…Troy Smith should have gone in as the backup in the 4th quarter…and if smith is done for the season we should either:
A: Promote Nate Davis to the starting line-up and have him start against the broncos
or
B: Sign Jeff Garcia to a 1 Year Contract…i mean at this point it wouldnt hurt.
A man's life is described either by his actions, words, or even the people who he loves and loves him.
besides him
being a pretty accurate and mobile qb…why not? just manage the rest of the season since A. Smith might be out for the rest of it.
at least get a descent record out of the year…at the very least 8-8…
A man's life is described either by his actions, words, or even the people who he loves and loves him.
I vote Nate Davis...
…just to appease his clueless fans. The true answer is, I want none of them. They all suck. Alex Smith, to me, is the only QB we have. Given our current record, that’s extremely sad.
Basically, this season is over...
So we should see what we’ve got. For many, that will mean Nate Davis, and I can see the pros and cons of that. But I’d be much more interested (and interested is used in the loosest sense, since I really don’t want to watch any of our QBs play…ever) in seeing the man whom caused Nate Davis’s demotion to the PS…Troy Smith. He was obviously brought in for a reason…whatever that may be. He has to be better than David Carr, right? He’s had some time to hopefully learn the system…let’s see what he’s got. It’s not like we’re gonna beat the Broncos anyways, right?
"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
Tweet Tweet.
by ZeroIndulgence on Oct 25, 2010 12:07 AM PDT reply actions
saying Troy Smith was "obviously brought in for a reason"
is forgetting that so too was David Carr…makes you wonder if there really WAS any reason to either signing or was it just “uh…we need a guy…uh…there’s one!”
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
COME ON!!!
Troy Smith already.. You don’t win the Heisman Trophy for no reason.. The guy is great.
Let’s start him.
Anybody see that commercial
where Joe Cool talks about a comeback?? I’m all for it, except he’d get killed behind our LOLine.
I'm going through TUMS by the case watching this team...
Nate Davis isn't the answer
Not sure what is, but he played terribly against San Diego in that last pre-season game against a second string defense. Awful. All anyone remembers is the under-thrown bomb. All of a sudden he’s become the saviour of the franchise! The emperor surely must have no clothes. I’ll go with Troy Smith for now, considering his history with Ginn at Ohio State….
not advocating him
but he played well last pre-season too, granted against scrubs, but he seemed to make good decisions and accurate throws.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
which I wont back down from the accurate throws
making accurate throws has little to do with the competition, besides maybe a pass rush.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
if alex s. cant play who should the 49ers start against the broncos
why not start nate d. or troy s. what have we got to lose……………….maybe a couple of coaches or a few qb’s or maybe both.
Quarterback Change!
Mike Singletary, I hope you take this time and consider starting Nate Davis at QB. In preseason this young man played well. This is a QB league, and if you look at the rest of the league, having a great QB can take any team along way. Regardless… of talent around them good or bad. They will go out and get it done. Alex Smith, has ha…d six years in the league to prove he can be that QB. This is the one peace that is missing for this team. There is alot of talent on this team. 62% voted that Nate should start this game against Dever. The Rams have S. Bradford, he has won 3 games for the Rams, Falcons have M. Ryan he came in to the league and went to the playoffs his fist year,The NY Jets have M. Sanchez his first year playoffs, and so many more QB came into the league and made a differents. It time for a change.
Plan B should involve more than just having a backup QB. My guess is that Carr was never in the slightest prepared during practice to actually step into the offense and that there was no plan for if Alex ever got injured. Just like there is no plan for if/when Frank Gore gets injured except for Westbrook and Dixon to take over.
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
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