49ers Owners Reportedly Displeased With Team's Coaching
by David Fucillo on Oct 24, 2010 6:28 PM PDT
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This has been posted as a FanShot by mikeinsp and also has been mentioned in our recap threads, but this certainly is worthy of its own front page post. Matt Maiocco is reporting that a team source indicated that John and Jed York were both expressing displeasure with the team's coaching. It's really not surprising that something like this would happen, particularly in light of the team's rough loss to the Carolina Panthers. Throw in the fact that the team is about to head to London to be showcased with the Denver Broncos and John York happens to head the NFL owners' International Committee, and the timing couldn't be more perfect.
I've included a poll to see what people think. Unlike our poll about the QBs earlier today, this question is what you think the 49ers owners WILL DO, and not what you want them to do. Also, feel free to include your reasoning for why you think what you think.
Personally I do think the 49ers could fire Mike Singletary before the end of the season, but at this point I don't see it happening. Now, if the team continues its struggles then the odds will obviously only increase. Mike Singletary could not be any more on the hot seat as head coach. The coming weeks will be very interesting, particularly with a bye approaching after Sunday's game with the Broncos. If the 49ers are embarrassed on the field next Sunday I could very well see an emotional reaction from ownership leading to a firing.
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They fired Nolan midseason
Odds are good they will decide to fire Singletary.
by bignerd on Oct 24, 2010 6:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Nolan vs Singletary
The question is how they felt about Singletary as an option when they fired Nolan, versus how they feel about the 49ers current staff if they were to fire Singletary.
by David Fucillo on Oct 24, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
they wont fire singletary
the niners need a new OC and DC more than a new HC- im not even joking
So the HC..
who chose his own OC and fired him, should have others choose for him?
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Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
But the HC..
chose Raye.
The 2010 SF 49ers: It's FAIL, done better
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Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
Raye wasn't his first or even second choice...
media reported that he couldn’t get his first few choices.
Mostly due to Singletary.
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Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
yeah
Can’t really defend Singletary in this regard.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
We need to clean house of coaching staff just like Seattle did and bring in the Best
Well it all goes back to draft day when 49er ownership watched every other team line up and get the best players in the draft no matter what the cost. Even Seattle knew they had garbage form top to bottom in their ranks and kept only what was good and replaced everybody else from coaching staff to deadwood players who couldnt perform up to NFL levels of performance. If your gonna re-tool, you have to replace all the bad performing parts. Not just a few hoping for different results. If I were the owner I would shop around the NFL and look at the best offensive coordinators with the best results and offer them the head coach job. Move Mike Singletary to Defensive coordinator or say Goodbye and I would spy on the best teams in the NFL and find out who their potential draft choices are and grab them up in the draft before they are taken since we will get an earlier choice because of our losing record. If we are going to ever see glory days again, we are going to have to do this.
by Ninerhousecleaner on Oct 25, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think they will consider having a replacement available
(More like when) If the 49ers lose in London they will fire him and not care whether they have a viable alternative. Kind of in their character to fire a coach with a backup plan … see Mooch.
Fire Sing and CALL MOOCH back!! He could do some great things with some of the young players we have
"We are not a charity, we cannot GIVE them the game." -Mike Singletary
those damned yorks
they are a plague…..jed york needs to give up the reigns….he’s just as incompetent as sing is.
Alex Smith is garbage...
Yea, I think that is a key difference
When Nolan was fired it seemed like the team was already considering Singletary and wanted to give him a sort of try-out before committing to him.
what do you think will happen personally fooch?
and what do you want to happen?
Singletary
At this point I’d say keep him the rest of the year unless they have confidence in one of the assistants (which I doubt is the case). One upside to letting him finish out the string is that you won’t then have someone come in and maybe get a hot streak and decide to hire based on that. If need be just start over after the season.
by David Fucillo on Oct 24, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS was my same thought
I don’t think any assistant will be a good option and the last thing I would want is a replay of the Singletary hiring. Someone gets some meaningless wins at the end of the season and earns the job. It’s time to bring in a real GM, a real HC and some real coordinators.
Agree with jonesin & Fooch
If Singletary is fired you can’t select either the OC or DC as a replacement. Manusky’s unit hasn’t done very well. The OC just took over that job and has way too much work to do.
So who on the staff would you plug in as head coach? The only person I could think of was Tom Rathman, not because I think he’s got (or doesn’t have) head coaching mojo, just that he can be spared from being running backs coach.
I agree that the team needs a real GM and a real head coach (two different people) and that should have been what happened instead of naming Singletary full-time head coach. Jed should probably get some help in making these choices, too.
But this year? Ah, I’m afraid we’re on the highway to hell.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 25, 2010 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Why does everyone always suggest Tom Rathman?
He’s not experienced, he doesn’t want to advance as a coach in the NFL (said so himself), and there’s really nothing about him that qualifies him to be a head coach in the NFL.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 25, 2010 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Interim buddy...
he could basically say “I don’t want the job after this year” and they’d be fine with that.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
But how is the team better off with him at HC than Singletary (for 2010)?
Makes no sense to fire Singletary and replace him with a worse candidate.
Hell he could probably decline the offer and then we end up with no head coach….
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 25, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Nolan urged the Yorks to hire Sing...
I think.
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Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
can we fire
jed york and his parents?
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Oct 25, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
he is going to make it
NOt something im comfortable with but its going to be that way.
Prediction
Depending on how well the London game goes, Singletary will be fired during the bye week. If the 49ers play well and win, he earns himself another week and probably the rest of the season. If they lose and are embarrassed, he’ll be fired and Tom Rathman will be named the interim coach.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
lol
Tom Rathman.
No way dude.
Most likely candidates are Kirk Schottenheimer and Jim Tomsula.
Or maybe Jerry Sullivan.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
No
The three guys I listed above are the most qualified to be head coaches.
The most likely is Schottenheimer because of his experience.
Jim Tomsula has been a head coach in NFL Europe so he’s in the mix as well.
I added Jerry Sullivan because he’s a former OC, so the experience is there as well.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't like any of those ideas...
(Support Alex Smith)
by return2greatness on Oct 24, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
It's all we have
Better than the original idea of promoting the goddamn running back’s coach…
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
that doesn't matter dude
Tom Rathman doesn’t even want to progress as a coach in the NFL (he said so himself).
He wants to be a college coach.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Rathman?
If there’s an interim coach it’s someone who won’t be considered for next year (check) and wouldn’t be essential at his old job (one of the few areas on the team that’s functioning).
Anyone think that the O-line is in such great shape that you can pull their coach out?
The other advantage of Rathman would be to keep old-time fans distracted for the rest of the year. But I’m guessing no change will be made until the season is over. I think it’s pretty clear that the team has underperformed for its talent level and I expect a wholesale cleaning of the coaching staff.
Singletary’s idea of simple smashmouth football has proven to be way to simple for today’s game.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 25, 2010 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I can think of several
Jim Tomsula
Jerry Sullivan
Kirk Schottenheimer.
All are more experienced.
Either way, I don’t want Sing to be fired mid-season.
Let him finish and then cut bait at season’s end.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 25, 2010 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope they give him next year but
There is no time to build in the NFL. The average length of a head coaching tenure is like 2 seasons or something crazy. If Sing goes, they absolutely must hire an offensive minded coach. I would love a “name” coach with some history of success.
49ers and TOOL live, my personal Heaven!!!
by ninerchip on Oct 24, 2010 6:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Dungy
Not an offensive mind… But he never got in Payton’s way.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Dungy's done.
49ers and TOOL live, my personal Heaven!!!
by ninerchip on Oct 24, 2010 6:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Dungy is done as a head coach
I could see him taking a general manager job with a lot of power though, Pacells/Holmgren model.
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
by Johnnysixnut on Oct 25, 2010 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m actually pretty happy with MJ as OC considering he’s having to modify Raye’s playbook on the fly midseason. The results haven’t always been there, but there have been alot of player variables since he’s taken over, including bad decisions by Alex, Gore fumbles, and mainly alot of shoddy OL play.
I’m done with Manusky however, his zone shell coverage crap only works against truly awful teams like the Raiders that make mistakes…against anyone else, our defense can never close out games for us.
Basically, I’d considering hiring a defensive guy as long as he doesn’t meddle with the offense.
znk
I want to see more of Johnson. Some of his offense seems innovative. The problem is you don’t know how much is limited by Singletary’s philosophy and how much is limited by the talent on the line or at QB.
I’m hoping that whoever is the next coach is from the offensive side of the ball. I just don’t think head coaches from the D-side are what the Niners need.
I also wonder how much of the philosophy on defense, the overly bend-don’t-break thing we’ve got, is Manusky or Singletary. Seems that his defenses were less risk-averse a few years ago.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 25, 2010 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Who knows how much influence Sing really has with Johnson and Manusky. As for Manusky…well, he doesn’t really have a lot to work with as far as the secondary is concerned. I’d love to see more blitzes and a more aggressive defense, but we have corners who can’t cover (ie. Clements)…..
As has been mentioned before...
I don’t see anyone on the staff really qualified to take over. I think the York’s have to bite their tongues and leave Sing in until the end of the season, but they should start their coaching search now – not via interviews but through researching who is out there and maybe seeking some experienced and trusted advice…
As impolite or politically incorrect as it might seem
Jed probably is and damned well better be searching for Singletary’s replacement right now. He should be putting feelers out, having intermediaries ask potential candidates if they’d be available next year, etc.
On the Niners postgame show yesterday, when most of us were drinking heavily, Damon Bruce said he’d been told that Gruden is already committed to Cleveland for next year and would have been their coach this year if he hadn’t had a two-year contract for Monday Night Football.
It’ll be interesting to see who they get and I hope it’s an offensive-minded guy, but I don’t think it’ll be Gruden for the above reasons.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 25, 2010 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions
No
Because Denver was embarrassed today. BAD!! They will come out swinging. Niners will come out as they have all year, thinking they can win with what they have. It could be a close game, but I think they lose it. Which means no more Sing. I don’t know who they would replace him with, but I just don’t see the York’s gutting it out.
by agchee on Oct 24, 2010 6:48 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I picked up their D in fantasy
I’m gonna break a point record next week!
by mr. instigator on Oct 25, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd say...
Carr will throw at least 4 INT’s and probably fumble a few times. Meanwhile, Sing will be on the sidelines staring onto the field trying to convince everyone that he is deep in thought… when really he’s just practicing for Monday’s presser…
(Support Alex Smith)
by return2greatness on Oct 25, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only way they'd fire him during the season
Is if the players completely gave up on him. I don’t think that’ll happen as they’re all just as embarrassed to be so bad as he is to be their bad head coach.
by whistlingmountain on Oct 24, 2010 6:57 PM PDT reply actions
I've heard
that the players have already given up on Singletary and it could be seen when he went off on A. Smith on the sidelines a few games ago.
I don’t think that he’ll get fired in the middle of the season (although after London would be the ideal time) but I hear that he’s losing if not lost the locker room.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 25, 2010 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm so conflicted about Manusky.
He’s not performing right now, at all … but at the same time, I KNOW he’s a good coach and a great defensive mind. He’s just slumping right now, and I want to know how much of that is him, how much is the players, how much is Singletary … etc. I just know that he’s a good defensive coordinator in this league, and I’d prefer that be with us and not somebody else. He just needs to figure out what this slump is about.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
sending 3 man blitzes and playin soft zone costing us 2 defeats
is inexcusable im afraid to say
Yeah, well, people go through that kind of stuff.
Players have bad games. Fighters have losing streaks. Coaches have slumps. Manusky is in a slump.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
Every time? It’s this season. It’s a slump.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
it's not a slump....
move on without manusky, there’s alot of smart DC’s out there that know how to teach tight pass coverage and excellent pass-rush schemes. the team is soft physically, tactically and mentally…..time for smart, ruthless aggression on defense..
Definitely
You can’t run a 3-4 defense in this league without bringing the blitz. Without the QB pressure and soft zone we make every QB look like an all-pro. It is completely inexcusable and unbareable to watch.
Doesn't "unbareable"
involve pulling down your pants at halftime?
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 25, 2010 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I mean
It doesn’t help that his secondary can’t cover worth a damn, though…
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, he won’t blitz to get to the passer.
So no pass rush + no pass coverage = 49ers loss.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m sad now
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
That's not a good solution though
The 49ers need skilled veterans to play DB.
I want Jonathan Joseph and/or Champ Bailey.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Remember 1980?
Lott, Williamson, Wright. I think they got Hicks off the waiver wire. Then…football history.
Well yeah but how often does that happen?
And there are no Lotts in this year’s draft.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel the secondary was better than any other part of that defense
But you’re right, they could get to the QB.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
We already have our future Lott
We can focus on corners and get OJ in free agency and let Goldson walk
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I forgot about OJ
Good thing that you mentioned him.
But we don’t have our future Lott.
Taylor Mays doesn’t have Lott’s ball skills.
That was showcased for all to see today.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Um he made a fantastic play against Smith
That would have been a highlight real catch if for any wideout and he closed from distance and made a better play on the ball than Smith did.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
He's still no Lott
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
well nobody is.
And nobody will be. Lott is the greatest DB to ever play.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Asking to draft the next Lott
is more ridiculous than hoping to find the next Montana
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh I know
I was agreeing with your oorah
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Then why say we have our future Lott?
I say we stop trying to recreate the old teams.
I want OJ and Joseph (or Bailey).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm saying we have a Safety
who is fast enough to run down anybody on the field over 40 meters and hits with reckless abandon to intimidate. Like Lott did. Nobody will ever truly be Lott.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
So??
We still need good veterans on the team that aren’t going to blow simple assignments.
Joseph, OJ, and Bailey would be good pickups.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
are we disagreeing here?
I’m just saying Mays is going to be our starting SS for the foreseeable future.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Guess we're not
I just don’t want Will James to be playing CB for the 49ers
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
1980 and 2011.. I just checked my psychic
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Excellent point
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
manusky
is extremely overrated. he’s just as incompetent as sing. i don’t understand why people don’t see that. also, i hate how lackadaisical manusky is in interviews. he just gives off the vibe of a guy that doesn’t run a tight ship. he’s been exposed this year. this organization has some serious house cleaning to do from head to toe….here we go again…
Alex Smith is garbage...
by redrum21225 on Oct 25, 2010 2:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's a good coach for 54 minutes
He cannot coach the final 2 minutes of the 1st half and last four minutes of a game.
Lately. That's not indicative of how he always is.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
yeah, one could also argue that there are a lot of holes in the D that are forcing him to call these plays
our pass-rush is poor, so soft zone might be his ‘safest’ option i guess…
Remember I'm not saying he's the greatest thing ever.
But if I’m cleaning house, he’s the guy I’m hesitant to pull the trigger on.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
IF Sing is out before the year is done....
Manusky as interim?
(Support Alex Smith)
by return2greatness on Oct 24, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Jed York will step down to the sidelines himself.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Will he stand by his promise to make the playoff's?
(Support Alex Smith)
by return2greatness on Oct 24, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
York has to pull his thumb and his checkbook out his butt first
York would be safer to lock himself in his office and lower the blinds than show his pathetic decision making face on the side lines. Afterall what is he gonna do, hold Singletarys hand and say “thats alright Mike next year is coming”. IT ALL COMES DOWN TO MONEY. You get what you pay for and Niner fans are done with footing the tab !! Either put out or get out !! Start with putting out major money and grab every great high priced talent you can get.
by Ninerhousecleaner on Oct 25, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Good lord, it was a joke.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Manusky might get fired with Singletary
You can point to the defensive collapses in 4 games although I don’t think it’s fair. Most the games it’s was only the defense who showed up.
by bignerd on Oct 24, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Coordinators are usually picked by the head coach. I think you hire a new guy, he will want to bring in his own guys, figuring it’s a coach worth a damn. I wouldn’t anticipate a new coach from the outside keeping our current coaching staff around. I don’t think, however, the front office will fire the coordinators themselves after firing Singletary.
why is that the niners D are the ones to fold
when the game is on the line…happened last season and so much this season..not having a dig at you, just curious? he has excellent run-defense, but the pass coverage and screen recognition and coverage has been pretty poor this season…
I'd try to keep Manusky and Johnson...
The offense has shown tremendous improvement with Johnson, especially considering the constraints he’s been working under (Singletary’s obsession with gut-runs and Jimmy Raye’s playbook).
Manusky could just be having trouble because of the trouble the whole team is having. I’ll cut him some slack.His defenses have been tremendous for the past few years.
Manusky is gone!
His defense as you call tremendous have not been. Look at the rankings the numbers do not lie. The 49ers cannot play the pass and it starts with the lack of blitzing, the lack of a pass rush, etc….
The 49ers are fine with giving up yards only if it means being able to stop them in the red zone for a field goal. One of the things that Manusky’s defense is good at, but eventually teams will make plays.
Carolina did and they had the worst passing offense in football!
Disagree with you here
Manusky has taken his foot off the pedal too many times. He plays that soft shell that gets eaten up for 2 or 3 minutes and then its over. I’d rather have a team beat us deep for a quick 7, with us blitzing the hell out of them on high stakes 3rd and long, and get the ball back in our hands at the end with a chance to tie than get dinked and dunked and have run the clock down to zilch then get a FG kicked for the win.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
See, now, as I'm rewatching the game, I'm getting more and more fed up with comments like these.
I’m seeing good scheme after good scheme with terrible play from the secondary
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
Watch for the end of the game
When we sit in the shell and they complete like 5 straight passes to Lafell
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
we played zone against carolina...
why? is matt moore really that elusive in the pocket that we can’t rush him? can we REALLY not stop lafell? guess it turned out that way….
Because the DBs can’t cover man to man?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Poor execution of the plays, players are in position and not watching the WR or the QB and reacting.
mays didn’t even turn for the ball. We dont press. overload blitz, aone and press the wr’s none of that stuff, our defense is too simple.
I acknowledge
Mays has been playing well in coverage lately.
As odd as that is. When I think of “didn’t even turn for the ball,” I think of Shawntae Spencer doing that about five times today.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
Agreed
Mays wasn’t lockdown… But I didn’t see him getting burnt during the game. And he made that fantastic play on Steve Smith.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 25, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions
He made one bad play, in which he was in position to make a play
And never turned to see the ball, like most safeties, that are good do, however he is one of our best players on defense.
I acknowledge
johnsons gone
i wouldnt call one good drive at the start of each game tremendous improvement. thats all we’ve really gotten from johnson
I'm expecting
to have to learn new names for the whole coaching staff.
I think that lots of the fail for Johnson and Manusky come from having a head coach who’s stuck too far in the 80s to adapt to the present. Johnson doesn’t have enough of a track record but Manusky was definitely doing better under Nolan than this year.
I’m sure that they’ll all find work somewhere in the league. Heck, a lot of the OCs who fail in SF seem to land head coaching jobs lately. Except for Hostler.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 25, 2010 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess the question becomes one of whether or not the late soft coverage is his own style or organizational.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
By which I mean, in general I would expect a head coach to leave his coordinators alone. But in certain common situations, it doesn’t seem out of the ordinary for the HC to give some kind of instruction. So is it Manusky himself, or are we dealing with the old Marty Schottenheimer conundrum.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t mean something so strong as control. More like instruction or suggestion in key situations. My clarification is above (or below, depending on your load).
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Or that he doesn't trust his secondary enough to play aggressive
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Spot on with that comment.
Can’t stop the offense when they need to.
I don't think it was coaching, it was the execution of the zone.
if you look at the plays that they scored on, when Clements was burned that was just poor man to man coverage, the DC underestimated a rookie wideout. On the dropped td, the zone was not played properly. When in zone you cover your area, you don’t bite on fakes you cover your zone, and they always do that, they have 0 zone discipline. I think Singletary’s biggest mistake was trying for too much continuity. he kept the staff in tact and shouldn’t have.
I acknowledge
Not so sure
Why they never blitzed a crappy QB when they absolutely had to is questionable. You play coverage against a Manning.
Even Manning
On 3rd and 15 from his 3 you bring pressure from somewhere. Off a corner if necessary
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Smileyman has been making a point for a while now
What if Manusky’s “genius” was really just leftover Nolan scheme?
It’s a good question, really.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
No, we got a good look at Nolan’s genius. He could never settle on defense long enough to teach his players how to play it.
The schemes were still left over though
What if Manusky just picked a few simple schemes and had the players focus on those?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
That was a huge improvement. For three years the constant excuse was the 49ers defense messed up the scheme.
Maybe Nolan's hybrid...
using a lot of 4-3 would actually be better for the defense, or going back to the 4-3 alone.
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It would require a lot of changes
But there are going to be changes either way so….
I’m kind of in favor of just cleaning house.
Just get rid of everyone except the players
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
But which ones?
I don’t like so many of the coaches out there.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
i dunno, thats the problem buddy
but i really dont like our current coaches
Damn Kansas City for stealing all the good coaches!
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
what a shocker huh, hire two ex-SB coordinators and watch the team suddenly go from 1-15 or something awful to legitimate contender for a playoff berth
They have all the good Patriots on their team
The two coordinators, the Pats ex-GM, and even their old LB.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
The defensive linemen they drafted prior to the new regime finally showed up this season. Kind of reminds of Carolina after Seifert left.
Not to mention Matt Cassell has decided to stop sucking
And Dwane Bowe is interested in football again.
I still credit the coaches for all this though.
They’re the ones that are getting these guys to play (and play well).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
So what do you propose we do?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Stick tot he 3-4, the DE that is now in Carolina was ripe for the picking in the 6th round, i have been screaming for a Nickel DE since the offseason.
WHIFF……..
I acknowledge
Hardy?
He had injury and weigh concerns.
But yeah….
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Pass rusher, situational pass rusher, projected as a first rounder with weight issues, but he has skills.
He needs a kick in the butt, yeah I would take that guy with a 6th rounder.
I acknowledge
I would to
But I can see why they passed
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the 3-4
I think it’s a better defense than the 4-3. It’s better against the run and used creatively (the key) it’s better at getting pressure against the pass
Which 3-4 coach do you bring in then?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd pull a LB coach from the Steelers. I want someone from D LeBeau, the Ravens, or Jets.
I acknowledge
I don't know
haven’t done research on it. I’ll think about it and get back to you, though rlott makes a good suggestion down below
And Manusky just ran out of leftover Nolan schemes?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
It isn't, Nolan had more influence over the d when Manusky was there, Sing let him do what he wanted.
I acknowledge
Which was what?
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I've seen two entirely different things
2009 D
2010 D
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
No you didn't you seen us play inferior offenses and you seen Peyton Manning have abd game.
Our DB’s sucked last year, we added one, so of course they will suck this year. We played against worst teams.
I acknowledge
Minnesota
Arizona wasn’t bad last year either.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Minnesota was not as good as advertised on offense, we checked the run and put it on Favre.
Some bad calls lead to them having a shot to win and who gave up that when, what group? The DB’s again.
I acknowledge
Something has got to give
We can’t play this soft and expect to win Clemments and Spencer basically line up 8 yards off the LOS
I would have voted yes...
But after today, I am definitely voting no. And in a weird way I’m excited. We really need change. I adore Singletary, but he just isn’t right for this job.
You know what’s weird? If you took Nolan’s football IQ and mixed it with Singletary’s motivational prowess, you might actually have a decent head coach. But they are both too flawed in too many ways to run a consistent NFL team. They both can learn from those mistakes, but their first HC jobs have proven to be failures.
Touchdown Forty Niners!
A Singletary that knows Xs and Os like Nolan would be awesome
Or would it be a Nolan that has Sing’s personality so he isn’t a complete asshole.
Singlenolan
Nolantary
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
My comments above aren't even making sense to me ...
Yes, I think they will fire Singletary before the season ends. Despite having no replacement option at head coach it has been a York M.O. to fire a coach without having an alternative plan. I don’t think having Singletary on staff had anything to do with Nolan getting fired mid-season … they wanted Nolan’s head and Singletary just happened to be there to assume command.
They will fire to Singletary for vindictiveness and promise big changes next season.
I say he stays
its not like they have anyone on staff that can take over. wait till next year so that we can hire chucky and he can coach luck
Here is the thing
Every week Singletary remains coach the Yorks are the story and therefore the target. They have already shown how little they tolerate being the target of the fan base and media. No one is going to write about the lame duck coach (it’s boring press) so the articles will focus on ownership and management. By firing Singletary they quickly shift the focal point to the upcoming coaching search.
Yep...
better to leak stuff like this out. It takes away from a direct blow.
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Ah, I just noticed this right now
They obviously leaked this on purpose to show the fanbase that they too are displeased with Singletary…?
Makes sense.
Kind of conspiracy-ish though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
It's just the way they operate
They are very sensitive to criticism. They took over the team with no fan fare and have been terrified of being in the cross hairs of blame ever since.
Oh well
I mean, at least they’re sort of trying right?
I really can’t blame them for hiring Singletary…..
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I do...
because Mike Shanahan was there if they knew how to hire Head Coaches.
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Yes, he was.
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Yes he was
And that was really who I wanted. He would have brought competant personnel with him also. I’m liking what they are doing here in DC, their D is really developing well. Their offense is still a work in progress but with Mcnabb they are managing to win games.
Skins had a defense last year
In fact the 2009 Redskins are a lot like the 2010 49ers. Talent in other areas but getting absolutely killed at QB and coaching. 4-12 seems right for this squad.
4-12?
I don’t think we can get to 4 wins…
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 25, 2010 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope we don't
I want complete re-tooling.
by mr. instigator on Oct 25, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Same here
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 25, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
No he wasn't....
Shanahan was fired a few days after the Singletary hire.
And he wanted to sit out of football for a year.
The team looked good under Singletary and he looked like he knew what he was doing.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what I mean..
Instead of really doing an evaluation, they had a contract hammered out before the last down of the last game.
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Because the team was playing really well
The players loved Singletary and there was really no way ownership could justify hiring Shanahan over Sing.
Especially considering Shanahan didn’t want to coach for a year…
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Correct
Bad timing all around really.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure..
I would have loved to have Jerrah hire him. I doubt he would have, like a lot of others who didn’t when he was looking for a job as one before.
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I believe there were several college teams interested in him.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 25, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it was Baylor. He interviewed with Atlanta the year before. The York’s urgency was a mixture of how the team responded to Sing plus the upcoming number of HC vacancies (STL, DET, TB, CLE, BUF were all becoming vacant). It was not the best time to hire an young offensive coach since all those jobs were filled by defensive coaches, so they understandably stuck with the guy they knew who had the trust and confidence of the players, plus who had gone 5-4 (one Mike Martz brain cramp from 6-3).
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
And there you have it..
some scrub wins against the long term. Now they have to fire another Head Coach who had no experience as one, like their last one.
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I know man, it sucks
But it was just bad timing.
hindsight is 20/20
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
The Yorks are getting to the point...
of being the new Al Davis. Hiring neophyte HC’s you can get along with.
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You're assuming
That the Yorks actually do something.
They’re a hands-off ownership.
I really doubt they care about a coach’s personality.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
They do care...
thus Mike Singletary.
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?
They hired Nolan and Singletary.
Both guys have totally different personalities…
I don’t think they care as long as they win.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
They could have hired..
Jim Schwartz. He was a candidate after Erickson. They hired Nolan instead, because he “blew them away during the interview process” as Marathe, who lead that coaching search, said.
They sold Billboards with Singletary on them. That matters more to the Yorks than his actual experience. Personality is everything to them, when it comes to comfort. That’s why Parcells may never be a part of this team.
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Parcells doesn't want to come out West from what Ihear.
I also hear that the Dolphins may discuss moving to LA
I acknowledge
What, due to Magic Johnson?...
Like Jimmy Buffet and all the other SoFla minority owners want that.
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No not just due to Magic Johnson, and I did say may, don't jump out your shell and get dumber.
I acknowledge
I acknowledge..
that you really are pretty awful at conversation.
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LMAO
I fu*kin’ love this guy
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by return2greatness on Oct 24, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
wow
(Dolphins to LA)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
STFU man...
That doesn’t even matter, the Yorks haven’t “clashed” with Singletary.
They’ve been very hands off with the organization, even giving most of the power to their son.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry
But he keeps making the same point over and over again.
Feels like trolling.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
The dude can drag down a free hooker party ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Eddie D.
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Especially the dead fans..
who voted for a new Stadium. Cat O’ Nine Tails for your Vote!!
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I'd go for that
Get it done.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Helped a stripper get into recovery ... and that was my gift for keeping her sober for Two year's ...
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
That's nothing...
several of them owe their BA’s to me.
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And I still believe it...
with an a** like Shakira.
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Do you want the truth?
They go to sleep for 18 hours before their rotten boyfriend or effed up brother come over and steal the money.
What does a..
stripper do with her a**hole before going to work?
Drops him off at band practice.
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understand....
but I’d say just ignore him. I basically just read his comments to make sure he’s obeying site decorum but given his repetition I don’t really pay attention to the 49ers-related content anymore.
by David Fucillo on Oct 24, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Will do
Sorry again Fooch.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes if he wins
If Shanahan can get along with Snyder the Yorks would be Yorkshire pudding.
Shanahan would be fine. I don’t think they are far off from Snyder personality wise. The difference is Snyder is a true fan of his team with a fat wallet and willing to do anything to make them better. Like the Yorks, he just isn’t very smart about going about it. He may have got it right this time though.
I'm not a York blamer
But I know they haven’t been willing to sit back and take the criticism in the past.
Meh
Their unwillingness to accept criticism doesn’t affect the play on the field does it?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
It does when you..
hire ScotM because everybody knows you need a GM to run this team.
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Hardly does any owner accept the blame
It really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. Just saying most owners will shift blame elsewhere in a heartbeat.
Interesting point
I think it has the potential to work the other way as well. As long as Singletary is around he is kind of the figurehead for the disappointing season. Right now the story is how the coach isn’t able to fix the mistakes and get this team playing up to its capabilities. Once Sing is fired the story becomes how the ownership hasn’t been able to make a decent hire to get the organization turned around.
The blame game...
is being directly targeted at the Jed and the FO after this game from the fans. The Media has always pointed that out. The Yorks hate that. But now those issues are being reinforced, because it really the heart of the matter.
Baalke spends as much time in his office as Donahue did. Donahue was out doing nothing though.
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I think they are going to give Sing until the end of the season.
If they don’t turn it around, I think they’ll fire staff and blow it up after the season.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Oct 24, 2010 7:02 PM PDT reply actions
I think the Yorks saw Red Flags before the season started..
and hoped to try and get through this season with a below .500 record that could get them the playoffs due to the poor Division. Some of the grumblings are what’s on the field, some of them due to Sing’s antics with the Media, and maybe some due to they seeing the day to day things we don’t see, and maybe some grumblings from the player’s themselves. Like Alex Smith, whose recent comments in the Media show a bit of disconnect with Singletary.
Mike Silver alluded that the Yorks hope that Singletary doesn’t blow up publicly that would cause further embarrassment.
Singletary is done in SF. The Yorks just hope to hang on until the end of the season, but the confidence that Singletary can himself hang on is what the real concern is.
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anyone think McDaniels might get fired? would like to see what he could do as OC with Gore in the backfield
He'll be fired
Probably not this season though.
They’ll just scapegoat the defense to keep McDaniels for at least another half season.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I voted NO
But I should have voted yes.
I just wanted to be negative.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
I want Norv back as OC....
is that too much to ask?
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by return2greatness on Oct 24, 2010 7:28 PM PDT reply actions
Yes...
because the Yorks would make him HC instead.
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I mean... why not?
He’s been so successful….
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by return2greatness on Oct 24, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
As a Head Coach?
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by return2greatness on Oct 24, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Not as a head coach...
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
He would
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Shush!
The Yorks would make this guy a head coach.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like MJ has done a nice job since he took over. He’s made adjustments every week, and you saw how effective Gore was running out of 11 personnel today.
But yeah, I would have no problem with norv as OC again.
He needs a lot more experience
Doesn’t know how to adjust at halftime.
His opening drives are fantastic though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
An appropriate one word phrase for this Atlantic Crossing situation: Bollocks
If the ownership is displeased, then what does that make us, the malcontent subjects?
All I can say is thanks to the Niners organization for leaving quickly, before the fans here drove them back into the sea – old school revolutionary style. Sorry LondonNiner and fellow fans across the pond – the carnage is in your backyard now.
The line must be drawn HERE...
Voted yes, but I'm not that confident in my prediction
I do think Singletary is pretty much through here but I still think the team will let him play out the season then clean house right after week 17. I don’t think ownership is interested in keeping any of the staff around so they might be weary of promoting someone to the top job.
Sing does seem to be on pretty thin ice though, if he starts to lose the locker room or suffers a couple really embarrassing losses the owners might just cut bait right away.
The only way I see Singletary gone
is if he refuses to fire Manusky, if the York’s aren’t happy with the coaching I don’t blame them. What was Mike Johnson thinking going so conservatively with Carr? You have the lead with just over five minutes left and you call predictable plays, there’s no excuse for that.
As for the other coach they are upset with there’s no doubt it’s Manusky. It’s hilarious to see how Manusky got so excited for McDonald’s touchdown, yet the touchdown was caused by actually getting pressure on Moore.
The question is where was that pressure? Where was the aggressive 49ers defense making Moore make quick decisions? It’s sad that the only sack of the game came from a cornerback and that was Nate Clements.
Justin Smith, Manny Lawson, Ahmad Brooks, and Travis LaBoy all could not get to Moore, but Clements could.
Justin Smith, Manny Lawson, Ahmad Brooks, and Travis LaBoy all could not get to Moore, but Clements could.
This here shows that you have absolutely no idea how defense is played in professional football.
lol at you.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Who had the sack in the game
Who was able to get to Moore? Was it Smith? Nope he missed twice. Was it Brooks? Don’t even recall him being the backfield. Was it Laboy he did have a neutral zone infraction, but he came through as the the one who got pressure on Moore that forced the interception.
The only 49er to sack Moore was Clements who was disguised at the line of scrimmage and the 49ers truly only rushed four on the play.
Can you go look at the boxscore and tell me who had the sack? I bet you it’s Clements!
You still don't get it
It’s in the SCHEME boy.
The fact that the 49ers only sack came from a defensive back means that when the 49ers scheme well (blitzing a DB) they can get to the QB.
If the opposing team knows that you’re only going to rush 4 they’re not going to be confused at the line of scrimmage and they’ll pick the secondary apart.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
True, however when Smith got to the Qb Brooks gave up his coverage, we keep putting guys in coverage that shouldn't be.
I acknowledge
yeah, I had a conversation with Manraj about this
Brooks should not be put in coverage.
He’s a pass rusher…
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
you can do that
but only when the coverage responsibilities are minimal and you KNOW you’ll get the QB within 2-3 seconds.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
DC's drop DL's from time to time even
in the short zone it’s acceptable but again, you HAVE to get to the cube
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
The 49ers weren't blitzing
at the time. The announcers even said it. Only four men were going after Moore and one was Clements.
Carr
The reason Johnson went conservatively with Carr is because they had no confidence in his arm. That seemed pretty apparent. When you’ve got a close game and you don’t have faith your offense can score, do you really want to start throwing and raise the chance of a pick 6 or turnover setting the Panthers up in good field position?
by David Fucillo on Oct 24, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
worst part though
is that if the other team knows you aren’t throwing, the run game has ZERO chance of success. He had to make a play here and there to keep everyone off Frank’s jock. He couldn’t. We’ll lose either way.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
They went conservative because Carr was playing HORRIBLE
half his passes weren’t even close. And then he threw into double coverage for the pick.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually he only had one play to warm up for
Which was a third and long. Really not his fault. As soon as the 49ers took over after the turnover on downs. That’s where they should have thrown the football, instead a predictable run play was called and Gore got stopped for a loss. Then another run play which again went for another loss.
It was stupid play calling. You can’t automatically run from what you were doing because Smith went out with an injury.
Really?
You wanted them to be airing it out with a terrible QB despite the fact that Frank Gore had been shredding the Panther’s defense on the drive before?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree, but you are a little off
He came in on the 3rd and 28, I think. Bad pass. The next series, it was empty backfield… 3 TIMES! That is retarded. He was cold. After that 3 and out, they went to ground game only, even when they needed to throw. It was horrible play calling after Carr came in.
Gore would have rushed for negative yardage every play then
you can’t run every play
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
formations schmormation
go to 4 WR if you want…I’ll play 11 in the box if you’re saying you’ll never throw
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
You wouldn't know that, child please, don't make it seem like I would signal the opposing eam's DC and say no more passes.
I acknowledge
they DID know that
because it was run 80% of the time and Carr’s passes weren’t even close! Point is there’s no way Carr should be in the game if you aren’t going to let him (or he isn’t able to) throw now and then.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
and if it were possible to succeed just running every play
we wouldn’t have lost the game when Carr came in. We could hardly get a first down, let alone get into scoring position
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
Manusky has got to go sooner rather than later
He’s terrible in late game situations, he hardly ever blitzes, his defenses are never aggressive, and the only thing the 49ers are good at is stopping the run, but the run isn’t nearly as important as a defense that can stop the pass.
Who replaces Manusky midseason?
Do you bring in a new DC and install a new defense now?
If we’re talking about the end of the season, Singletary won’t keep his job by firing Manusky. He’ll be packing up his stuff too.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 25, 2010 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Ninersnation.com
We will setup a voting poll each play:
a) Blitz A Gap
b) Blitz B Gap
c) Overload Blitz
d) Manusky (soft zone coverage)
starting to really wonder though
if Sing has his influence on both sides of the ball…he wants to not make mistakes and win the TOP battle, etc. That sounds like not taking a lot of chances and we all know…blitzing requires taking chances.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
Dang i'm in purgatory about all this ...
… knowing that change has to happen and yet not wanting to go threw another building type season …New H.C. mean’s new coaches scheme’s and his own personell …!!l
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
you’re just jaded because our current coaches can’t find a way to get Westbrook on the field when any other coaching staff would’ve gotten him 10 touches per game from the first week of the season.
Improvements can happen quickly, just not around here.
But what if...
That OC was an offensive minded coach who was good at bringing out the best in his QB’s?
(Support Alex Smith)
by return2greatness on Oct 24, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Same here
Seems like we are so close to greatness. Don’t want to start over. We really play to the level of our competition. So we are capable of playing really well. But they don’t come through. Hate to throw it all away and start from scratch.
Better going into a season knowing its rebuilding time again...
then hang hopes on a playoff appearance and division championship that doesn’t exist.
But in spite of that, you’re right. More of the same for a while yet, it would seem.
The line must be drawn HERE...
What bothers me is how different things have transpired.
McBooFoo, took Crabs, and was obviously not a player Singletary wanted, especially to have the 2nd rounder traded. Then they appeared to want to have things exhausted with Smith, and that seems to me that the Yorks wanted things exhausted, and had Singletary pick an OC and keep Smith in said system for consecutive seasons. Now, the stashing of Davis, almost seemed like a ploy, as in we don’t want him to be a threat to Alex so we will stash him for the future, because honetly, he didn’t look that bad in preseason to warrant the PS-ing.
I dunno, if Sing is on the hot seat, it is already on fire. Cowher may be able to bring in a Lebeau discile which would be good but I don’t want an OC of his picking. then Gruden, i am too worried he will make players play hurt and ruin careers like he did in Tampa.
I acknowledge
And, with two rookie OL, did you really expect them to be great? i mean it was hyped up a lot
Due to using first rounders on them, but to expect to go from a horrible OL and adding rookes to one that is suppose to compete for a playoff spot is a bit much to me. it all begins at the line.
I acknowledge
Well I expected improvement
in that we should have had Heitmann and Staley was going to be healthy again. SURPRISE MOFO. Heitmann is out and the guy the rookie replaced in camp is the center now. Oh and guess what? Staley is having the worst season of his career! SCHNAP. This season is like getting the “I’m Late” call.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I did too, don't get me wrong. Look at the schedule, and look at the Steelers, bye week, right as Be comes off of suspension.
game 1, toughest road game every year, 1st home game vs the SB champs, on th eroad every game at 10 am, and did that back to back, those are crazy odds for a young team, especially one with a new OL. Our schedule should have been reversed or some away games at 4pm, WTF. Then the referees, what the hell, did anyone see the give the Steelers a chance to win call at the goaline….it’s crazy man crazy.
I acknowledge
Steelers were gifted a TD
and so was Carolina. PI on a ball that was 30 feet in the effin air LMAO
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Steelers were gifted posession back in a game they were down two. it was a fumble and the Dolphins recovered.
I acknowledge
Oh yah they didn't score huh
I was semi-watching that and saw the fumble but thought they scored when they got it back.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
No, it was ruled a TD and the fumble recovery was ignored, then they said it was a fumble and
They couldn’t see hwo recovered, 4th down Steelers ball. Dolphins had the game and the ball.
I acknowledge
About the OL
I’ve been critical of the OL.
But the guy that his really been disappointing has been Joe Staley.
I mean he’s had some great games, but he’s also been really bad at times.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
He is hurt and never was a Pro Bowl talent to begin with. I can forgive Joe a mulligan for this season.
Hurt?
The stinger?
What about week 1?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
YES
An unknown pass rusher abused him all game long.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He was still abused
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
But did you really expect him to light it up?
Chilo Rachal has also been terrible.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
No i didn't, this is merely the Crabtree effect. Besides his nifty moves he is Ziggy.
Its like we have Ziggy and Morgan at WR, anyway. They didn’t let Sing draft his guy, which was Oher and due to that, he should get to stay, sorry but our offense would be better.
I acknowledge
I know you don't like Crabtree
But you can’t say he’s just another Dominque Ziegler.
Crabtree is a better blocker and he can actually break tackles.
I still believe the Crabtree selection was the right choice at the time.
You don’t pass on a WR with his stats.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU wouldn't i would. It was horrible, our OL has been atrocious for years and we didn't draft one.
What is a WR to a QB that has no time…………….NOTHING.
I acknowledge
We still ended up with Anthony Davis
long term this may end up being a non-issue
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Who cares?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't want to start all over may be some of you feel that is what is best but I don't.
I acknowledge
It clearly isn't working right now man
I don’t feel the team can be “tweaked” and they will instantly be SB contenders.
The entire team has taken a big step back since 2009.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
No it hasn't. There wasn't a huge step being taken last year.
We were exstatic at 8-8 in this division, that is not that good. The schedule was easier, our rookies are in KEY positions, and they have their growing pains. What team is successful with our youth? NONE…..
I acknowledge
many teams?
the Rams? Seattle?
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
oh well 1 rookie
and a few others at other positions. I think they qualify
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
They have a vet QB we don't.
rams just have yougn WR’s and a QB not 2 rookies on the OL
I acknowledge
how many years to be a vet
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
1
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
You're just nitpicking
Rams have more young/inexperienced/less talented players starting than the 49ers
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The most important parts to the offense is the OL.
that’s where it starts and we have more dysfunction due to youth and injuries.
I acknowledge
Says you
QB is very important.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 25, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
1 rookie and a 2nd year player that didn't play last year
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
There wasn't a huge step being taken?
So the 2008 49ers = 2009 49ers
Come on man….
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
louise
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
like a lawn implement?
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
and its a good one
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
we need to clean house
just lost to the Panthers in case you didn’t notice. We are also 1-6
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Crabtree has been giving me serious fits this season, but whenever he gets the ball in his hands… boy is he fun to watch.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
this
he should be our wes welker basically…a slot guy who gets a lot of slants and bubbles and then tries for YAC
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
and yes I know he's not really like Welker
but he would be better in the slot
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
well
he’s not a short speedy white dude…
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
Only to a degree
He’s a bigger man so he’s harder to bring down.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 25, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
He can be better than Welker
Because he can get open deep downfield as well.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 25, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Who made the decision to start Davis?
it was Singletary’s call, Davis should not be starting, he’s not nearly ready and will take probably at least 2 seasons before he is, if his confidence isn’t destroyed by being hung out to dry there too early. Singletary made a decision only someone who is utterly clueless about Offensive line play would make. He is an imbecile when it comes to the technicalities of Offense.
by suffrin9erfan on Oct 24, 2010 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
And to be a good DC you have to understand the O. See how this gets bad fast?
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 25, 2010 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I almost agree
but he wont get much better if he’s on the bench.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
Always found it curious
about all the Niners with learning disabilities.
Okay, let’s grant them Nate Davis.
But does Westbrook have a learning disability?
I suspect that we have teaching disabilities.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 25, 2010 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions
this
I’ve been coming around to this…we talk about how our draft class all made the roster and all play on game-day, a lot of them start or play a lot…that means they were a pretty good crop but they are still rookies. Teams rarely have all of their rookies performing at high levels. And to have two on the same OL…it’s like Russian roulette with two bullets instead of one.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
HC, DC, QB, and OC need to be replaced......................
at the end of the season. Sing does not know enough about the intricacies of the game to be successful, Manusky is an IDIOT at the end of a game by constantly putting the defense in prevent, Alex Smith is never going to be great, and the OC still needs some time as an assistant OC to be successful (though I do like what he is doing at times so far). To score 7 pts right away and then just 6 more on offense for the rest of the game is embarrasing and shows bad coaching. Coaches who can’t adapt to what the team is throwing at you are not during the game are not good coaches.
Alex Smith's statline is good enough to win
Brett Farve’s statline – 7TDs 10 INTs.
Rogers statline 12 TDs 9INTs
Alex exited at 9TDs 9INTs
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Translation...
I just had to post about Alex Smith here.
The 2010 SF 49ers: It's FAIL, done better
Official Sponsor of Steve Young for Vice President of the 49ers in 2011
Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
Packer Fan...
WE SHOULD HAVE DRAFTED ALEX SMITH!!
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Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
lol
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
For all the advantages he's had in his career
he still can’t win. They probably should have.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Lather.Rinse.Repeat....
Troy Polamalu has nothing on you.
The 2010 SF 49ers: It's FAIL, done better
Official Sponsor of Steve Young for Vice President of the 49ers in 2011
Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
LOL
I miss Alex already.
(Support Alex Smith)
by return2greatness on Oct 24, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex Smith is no Favre or Rodgers..............
We all know that. You are talking about two teams that are not even over .500 coming into tonights game. So Favre’s and Rodger’s statlines are not even good enough to win.
So do you think Sanchez is better than Rogers because the Jets are better?
Or because he’s got better numbers?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Sanchez is playing better than Rodger's now with 9 TD's and 2 INT's....
Is he better?? Hell no. They just have one heck of a defense that is allowing Sanchez to do just enough.
That 9 and 2 will go to hell quick whenever somebody can actually get to him
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
THE POWER OF A GREAT O-LINE
(something we don’t have)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 24, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
That means absolutely nothing..............
I think we should share that with every defense in the NFL: " If you put pressure on a QB, he will do worse." You should make T-shirts!
He'll make it until the end of the season
Because there is no better option on the staff and because elevating an assistant (Sing) is what got them in this situation of keeping a promoted assistant. The Niners’ second half schedule sets up such that if Alex Smith is back after the bye, Sing or a replacement will go 5-3. That’s not enough to keep Sing now but it would make the interim an option and I don’t think they want that option. They’ll want a clean start after the season.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Good point
Don’t make the same mistake by making another unproven interim an option.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
What? No post on "unamed sources"?
The 2010 SF 49ers: It's FAIL, done better
Official Sponsor of Steve Young for Vice President of the 49ers in 2011
Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
dont you think it's remotely possible
they’d fire him and elevate a guy on the team KNOWING that a “real” HC is coming in during the off-season? No false hope based on impressive finishes…start the coaching search now.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
If they're even considering making a move
They should be preparing now for who his replacement could be, absolutely. But firing the head guy that only seven weeks ago you and the players had full confidence in seems quite short-sighted and reactive. Let the full sixteen games play out; if it really is about SIng, it’ll show and the decision easy. If it’s the players, they’ll certainly know what requires an upgrade.
The York’s don’t have a resume of good decision making and loyalty on which to lean, so they need to be careful about another in-season dismissal. The person who is here next may see that as a red flag that keeps him away. Who wants to work for an owner that panics after eight games, possibly because he and the media were wrong in their team evaluation? Or who fires coaches simply because the fans are complaining after years of losing that has nothing to do with the current coach? Jed York needs to appear publicly stable and adult even if behind closed doors he’s putting his fists through glass like his uncle did.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
One thing noone mentioned about coaches
Sing is now 9-1 when winning turnover battle
lol
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
it's like saying:
I have a perfect record of waking up when I set my alarm clock
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
whoever the new HC is that acquires this team
will be licking their lips at the amount of restrained potential that’s waiting to burst out from this team on both sides of the ball….cut some of the dead wood, have an solid draft at need positions, re-structure the game-planning and style of football that we play, and it’ll be a different story…
HAHA, there is none. Restrained potential liek who? Evans? Spencer and Clements?
Goldson? Lt. Whiff on PD’s……where is all of this potential. we need better position coaches.
I acknowledge
May's, Bowman, Reggie Smith, Justin Smith, Lawson....
even Goldson’s positional awareness can improve…..
Who is gonna cover the WR's that keep feasting on our defense?
Bowman is a rookie making rookie mistakes. Reggie, can’t even get ont he field, although he is better than Goldson. And Goldson is horrible as a FS, he should be the SS but his coverage skills are lacking.
I acknowledge
He's already at SS
Mays played deep all game long.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
He still can't cover, he has been playing like that for a few games, but in two deep
Lt. Whiff on PD’s and picks………..his new nickname
I acknowledge
Yeah I know
Which is why I want Atogwe
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Weddle is grossly overrated
OJ is much better.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
You wanted to keep Goldson before the season, what gives, how could you not see he sicked last year.
I acknowledge
I didn't think he sucked last year
Didn’t think the final few games were flukes.
i was obviously wrong.
No sense in sticking up for him now.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
belichick could do it.....
he could make him excellent, so could rex, but that’s not our coaching situation at the moment… he has skills to be good, he just needs proper coaching. goldson that is….
THIS IS JED LEAKING SHYT TO THE MEDIA AGAIN !!!!!!!
Happens every time Jed starts getting criticized for being nothing more than a lucky sperm.
He’s the prime reason for the Niners current state. His mom who owns the team needs to tell him that playtime is over and he can’t keep driving down the value of her property, the Niners.
Jed obviously can’t get a new stadium built. Can’t put together a wining team. Can’t do jack.
I think Jed could do jack. Its the latest with the youth.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Can’t do jack. Lucky sperm. Things getting sticky in Santa Clara?
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 25, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
So glad Rocky90210 is gone
that guy is the worst! Making excuses for Carr? Arguing Manusky wasn’t a failure at winning games? wow
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
wait...
I still smell the hate
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Niners are under review
its from the booth
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Is Marathe in it?
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Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
lets hope he called for it
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Packers-Vikings
Too bad the Vikings didn’t step out of bounds on the TD against the 49ers last year? Great game at Lambeau on NBC right now.
ugh I was thinking the same thing
but couldn’t stomach enough to write it
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
I actually wanted that to be a TD
I picked the Vikes in the prediction contest and I want a Favre TD for more fantasy pts.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 24, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Clay Mathews should have a metal band
and call it “David Carr”
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
If they got rid of Raye
why not Manusky?
I noticed that Sing yells at the officials a lot. Kind of weird. Why isn’t he solving the problem to make a better next play? Smith talked about this.
Finally, I’d like to see somebody on the defense benched. Try something different.
so does sing
hmmm……
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
we should bench Manusky
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Yelling
Got two seconds added to the clock late so the refs did something wrong. And he had every reason to yell on the PI call on Mays. Awful.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
The real thing that the Yorks should do is something more dramatic...
they should fire Singletary near or at the end of the season…the guy doesn’t know enough X’s and O’s to rise as a top-level coach and he is too emotional to be the guy in charge.
Release Alex Smith…let’s face it, the kid will never become a dominant NFL-QB. He is too smart for football and doesn’t have enough in him to be aggressive and take it to the other team.
Trade Frank Gore for a high draft pick as he is quite valuable at this time….I love Gore, but eventually his wheels will come off as the upside for RB’s with his amount of snaps dwindles every year. Also, get him to a team that has a chance of going deep into the post-season…Gore has earned the right to play for a championship in my opinion seeing what he has done in SF. We have Dixon to replace him and I think Dixon would do fine.
Bring in a new Head Coach that is a proven NFL-Caliber talent. No unproven promotions, no take-a-chance-on-this-guy picks, but get a guy who is proven and young enough to still have the fire and desire. That guy is John Gruden period. Cowher had Dick LeBeau all those years to run the defense, and I think if Cowher really wanted to coach again he would have come out of the studio long ago. Cowher is the wrong choice whereas chucky has the knowledge and intensity to get it done. Important**: the new HC should have an offensive background, not a defensive one. This is because offenses win the games, not the defenses, period. The NFL is no longer a defensive-league and the new hitting rules tilt things even more to the offenses favor.
Fire whichever coordinators and coaches the new Head coach wants. Try and keep Mike Johnson as I like what I see in him, but again even MJ is a bit unproven and unfortunately does not have an offensive HC that can mentor him and help him grow.
Stick with Baalke as he is doing a good job with talent. The real problem seems to be utilization of talent via game-plans and coaching.
below
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
You do realize that gruden never had an offense in TB that ranked higher than 18th. he also had his choice of Gm for 3 seasons.
He also, had a team lose 4 straight games and miss the playoffs, he never drafted and developed anyone, and none of the players he took on offensive side of the ball are still on the team he hasn’t been gone 3 years. No eye for talent and no offensive mind. he was a WR coach, that rode his defense and Mike Alstott into retirement. NO.
I acknowledge
by rlott#42 on Oct 24, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Same GM..
helped Gruden turn around an OAK team that didn’t want a GM.
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But, it wasn't succesful in TB, so maybe it was adding veterans and not from drafting.
I acknowledge
Salary Cap did them in as well...
I don’t think Gruden is a good fit in SF anyway long term. The 49ers need long term solutions. You don’t hire Gruden without one, and he wouldn’t come here without one either.
I’m of the serious opinion no Head Coach stands a chance in SF.
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Exactly why I'd keep Sing and replace the OC and DC.
I’d ask Young to be the OC. he can draft his own QB, or pick the FA, and have sole control of the offense, if he wanted to.
I acknowledge
Damon Bruce...
disclaimer: Bruce is a horrid broadcaster, but he did raise this point due to a source…
Said today that Gruden has the inside track in CLE, and that Mangini is just a placeholder for Gruden until the end of the season, due to Gruden wanting a GM that backs him, like Holmgren would.
Gruden coming to SF is not gonna happen due to the FO. So forget an A-List HC with Jed York as Owner.
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You're joking
Release Alex Smith and then who will be the starter? Troy Smith? David Carr? Unless the 49ers go after Kevin Kolb in free agency Smith will be the starter next year because as it’s has been proven if the 49ers draft a youngster, he will need time to be ready. The 49ers aren’t going to throw the young quarterback underneath the bus like Smith was.
Trade Frank Gore, heck no! Gore has the opportunity to become the greatest running back in 49ers history. He is to be kept. By the way who would take Gore’s place anyways? Westbrook who has the injury history and is barely used now, Anthony Dixon who showed he was great in preseason, but still doesn’t understand the concept of pass protection.
Yes, a new head coach would be nice, but the truth is if the 49ers don’t have the ownership capabilities to bring in a Bill Cowher to the team. He may want to coach again, but the York’s are a joke in the NFL.
You’re wrong about the the NFL is no longer a defensive-league as well. The Baltimore Ravens and Pittsburgh Steelers are proof of that. Defense wins games, a steady offense makes it easier for those teams to stay aggressive because the defense is not on the field for a majority of the game.
One of the reasons why Singletary will be fired..
is because Alex Smith is his quarterback.
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or because God is his quarterback
Alex just plays football.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
I'd would be even more scared..
if Singletary told God how to play at his position too.
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yeah God would fail
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Because he would refuse to play on Sundays..
Which, like Singletary, is his day of rest.
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oh now I see the light
of darkness
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Singletary would tell God:
“No lightning bolts. I want to establish the ground game first.”
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 25, 2010 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Kolb got an extension this year
he’s not a FA in 2011
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
no way, you need to score a lot of points on offense.
d helps, but having a powerful scoring offense will do better.
Stick with Baalke
Stick with the guy that drafted us to 1-6. Sounds a great plan. Where do I sign.
So you're blaming the poor record on the 7 rookies Baalke drafted?
That’s pretty absurd, he’s only been in charge of one draft none of the players he’s picked have been around long enough to really have an impact. (Well, other than Davis being responsible for the impact to Smith’s shoulder.)
he got us good players
you can’t EXPECT rookies to all perform at a high level and you also can’t BLAME Baalke for player development (ie. coaching)
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
Release Alex Smith?
Really for nothing?
Should get at least 20$ for a release…
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Brad Childress was asked about the record..
“We are what are record is are.”
After winning only 2 games. With Favre and Peterson.
You won’t hear Singletary say that at 2-9.
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"We are what are record is are."
I don’t want to hear Siungletary say that.
Unreasonable haste is the direct road to error.--Moliere
LOL..
I don’t ever want to hear Andrea Kramer ask Singletary the difference between Kolb and Vick ever again.
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I don't see why not. We haven't been 2-9 under Sing, so how can you be so sure?
We are what are record is are- I hope there isn’t a head coach that would ever say that, what the f… kind of grammar is that?
I acknowledge
LOL..
That’s on me. I was watching the presser, eating pie, and typing at the same time.
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The grammar is on me.
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After checking the film, I think drummer did some good things grammar-wise. He made one key mistake, and I talked to him after that sentence and we talked about it together and I was very encouraged. There was also an unfortunate spelling miscommunication, something to do with the speed of the brain-to-finger communication devices. We’re going to deal with these things during the week, but it’s nothing to worry about. He typed well today. He really did.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
You know what? I stayed up all night praying about this, and I’m actually going to have to fire drummer Spelling Coordinator. I’m promoting Andrew Davidson to take the position, and I think you’ll see he’s a visionary.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Dangit, that missed possessive was just bound to happen, wasn’t it? I just can’t get through one darn fake press conference without making some stupid mistake.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 24, 2010 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
LMAO...
After today’s film study, I found the answer to last night’s error:
Back, and to the left.
Back, and to the left.
Back, and to the left……
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However, it’s going to take drummer another two years on the practice squad to learn the computer keyboard…
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 25, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Typing errors aside,
there’s another point to be made. You may say Sing (I won’t try to type his full name again) is in denial or is trying to save his job. Someone else might accuse Child of giving up. But I think they are just using different tactics to motivate their players. Childress has a group of vets who were among the league’s elite last year. He may think they’re overconfident and is trying to shame them into concentrating. Sing has a bunch of young guys who he thinks need more confidence. Even though his pressers come off as a series of platitudes and Pollyanna pep talk, I’m not sure he has the wrong idea. The results make me wonder, though.
Unreasonable haste is the direct road to error.--Moliere
Start now
Start looking now for someone to take over all football operation similar to Mike Holgrem in Cleveland. Then let that person choose the Head Coach for next season and beyond. Let Singletary finish this season. Otherwise someone else will finish this season and further disrupt the franchise heading into next year. Try to maintain as much continuity as possible then the day after the last game announce that the 49ers are going in a new direction.
I hate how the league is a win first league
Coaches use to stick around for years even if they have a bad season and they are given the chance to improve and develop. If Singletary is fired…there is very good chance all of the coaches the fans are lobbying for will not return to coaching or they will not want to coach for the 49ers…then who could we possible hire. Either way there is not a quick fix to this team…what much worse could happen if sing stayed around?
If they keep him he needs to get an OC and DC and let them do there thing and not get in the damn way.
49ers por vida!!!!!!!!!!!!
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 24, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
We could stay this crummy until Singletary decided to retire?
That’s what would be likely to happen, and I think it’s unacceptable.
An old guy?
And an old lady that can’t contain her laughter?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 25, 2010 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions
The 2010 San Fransisco 49ers...
is not the result of failure from Mike Singletary. He simply wasn’t ready to be the 49ers Head Coach. Nobody is. It’s like being ready to be Head Coach for the Oakland Raiders. Singletary like Nolan does not have at least a good Organization behind them. Bill Cowher would not come into the 49ers Org because he can see how screwed up they are after being brought up in the Rooney/Steelers brand of football. There is no Head Coach that has a chance under the Yorks. Nobody.
Nobody.
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The front office has been screwed up...
Ever since Mooch lost his power play to outmaneuver Terry Donahue. Seriously. It’s a decade later and we still don’t have a front office worth a [site decorum].
I like Balke and the other guy who does contracts.
49ers por vida!!!!!!!!!!!!
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 24, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah man
So I should just become a Chief’s fan or what?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Oct 25, 2010 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions
They are laying the ground for his firing
I doubt this leak is an accident and it does look like Jed’s “prediction” we would make the playoffs was really nothing more than providing the justification for canning Singletary,, because. if we don;t make the playoffs or don’t look like making the playoffs, then you have to fire hm after making a public statement like that.
I personally think they should wait till the end of the season as it will not make anything better appointing Manusky or Rathman interim HC and canning 2 head coaches in succession mid-season is only going to discourage candidates for the vacancy that have any other options from applying.
They really don't have to lay any ground work
Expected to win the division by almost everyone and delivering next to dead last results will get any coach fired.
Pretty much
Sports, business, politics. Someone has to take the blame when expectations are not met and the guy that signs the checks won’t fire himself. Sing is gonna get fired barring a miracle run of nine straight wins. In other words, he’s going to lose his job.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
The Ownership needs to pulls its head from its Asshole
Pardon the french, but the Owners should be considered just as at fault as the 49ers coaching staff. Here, I don’t have time to grammar:
Get a real Team President please. Is there a reason the Ownership refuses to do this? At the very least get someone in there with NFL experience as a coach. Someone needs to mentor Mike Singletary, while also having to put together a great talent department and coaching staff. What would it take the team to hire Bill Parcells? Hire him, and give him a big ol’ janitor keyring. I would then suggest the team put Parcells and Singletary in a room for 24 hours. Bill vs. Mike one on one, if Parcells emerges and says Coach Singletary is still HC, then let’s roll.
by Andrew Davidson on Oct 24, 2010 11:17 PM PDT reply actions
Bring the WCO back with Mooch
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 24, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone pointed this out the other day
The 49ers franchise has a long history of hiring new, offensive minded head coaches. I think the person said Erickson was the 1st experienced coach the franchise has ever hired (or in the last x amount of decades).
Parcells is done....
the game has passed him by. get a younger, hungrier GM with ideas and energy. problem is, jed york wants to be a kingpin and, since he won the ovarian lottery and woke up one day with an NFL franchise in his lap, he wants all those bigtime front office decisions to run through him so he can puff his chest out and all that jazz. dumb, i know, but it is what it is…..
idk
I think he’s a ressurector…not a champion builder
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
Patriots? Cowboys? Dolphins were 1-15 when he came, and they are waaaay better than us.
If they had a better QB they would be a great team.
I acknowledge
No retreads
I agree with your Team President idea if Sing were to stick around but that’s not happening at this point. Someone has to take the blame when you’re asking fans to re-up season tickets and explaining why expectations fell so far short of reality. I don’t think that Sing is even the primary problem but he will take the fall as many past HCs have. Comes with the job description.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
warning
As I’ve warned everybody else, no swearing outside of game threads. Understand the frustration obviously.
by David Fucillo on Oct 25, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
a lot like what Holmgren did with Mangina
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
Theres only so much motivating you can do
this team needs a coach that knows what hes doing singletary does really not know what hes doing
Pointless to make a change now.
Sing will remain through the season, they have no one capable of doing any better, but you can be sure by next season we’ll have a new coach and QB. If they really want a new stadium, then they’ll have to hire a coach who can turn things around quickly and find a halfway decent QB to hold us over as one we get from the draft has time to mature properly. Unfortunately, it’s still going to take a couple more years now before we become competetive again and I don’t have much faith in the York’s to fix this with any intelligence, they really should get pointers from Eddie before they tottally ruin it for all of us.
John Gruden
if they can get him they should, he is capable of getting good production out of mediocre quarterbacks. keep the D coordinator
It's almost a relief that we've reached this point.
No more getting kicked in the nuts every weekend. No emotional attachment to the games.
~In Heaven all the interesting people are missing~
by ~Yellow Fever~ on Oct 24, 2010 11:49 PM PDT reply actions
i actually agree
no more getting upset on sundays just to fail midterms on mondays.
I am freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
MURS for President!!!!!!!
The Yorks have no right to grumble
They gave Singletary the job and now they are complaining that the over-emotional meat-head that they appointed to a position way above his abilities or experience, is not performing too well. Well, here is my shocked face :^0
LMAO!!!!
Singletary is the worse coach ever, I bet ever coach if laughing at how stupid Mike is.
Pete McCully.
That was over thirty years ago. And there might be an “e” in McCully for spelling freaks.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 25, 2010 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I really want to hold onto Singletary
But I unfortunately see this team in panic mode and if (knock on wood) the Niners lose next weekend in London, Sing is gone. :(
8
After next Sunday's debacle in London, Jed says
“Ladies and Gentlemen, I introduce to you the Niners interim coach, – - -
Mr. Tom Rathman."
I could see them doing that
not because he’s qualified or wants to be a HC, cause he’s neither…but someone has to hold the title while the ship sinks towards the abyss where new regimes are found.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
We could always hire the guy selling the popcorn to coach the team, We might win
Everything else has failed. Why not hire the guy selling popcorn to coach the team
by Ninerhousecleaner on Oct 25, 2010 9:33 AM PDT reply actions
there is noo way the yorks are going to disappear.
with that said, we need a parcells type to get it started from the top down. don’t think that is going to happen though
I'm gonna miss
Singletary’s incessant sideline clapping though… What are we gonna do without that clapping?
by mr. instigator on Oct 25, 2010 10:45 AM PDT reply actions
Yeah
But doesn’t Pete Carroll clap when his team does something good and not when they are getting their asses handed to them?
by mr. instigator on Oct 25, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
good point
that is so annoying when Sing claps
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
He's trying to be positive with a very young team
I guess he could pissed and yell more but we critique him for that. Or he could stand still and look angry but we critique him for that. I think that when a team is losing, there is nothing the HC does that people like.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
New GM, sure...but who's available?
Parcells is a nice notion, but he’s not a long-term guy anymore. As I’ve mentioned before, sure, he’s done a great job of resurrecting teams, but did he stick around? No.
He turned the Patriots around, put them in the Super Bowl…then left.
He took over the Jets and had them 30 minutes from a SB…then turned the job over to Belichick, who split for NE instead. Fail.
Jerry Jones hired him in Dallas…four years, no playoff wins.
He took the Dolphins from 1-15 to the playoffs…and “steps back” just 2 years later.
All this, plus he’s pushing 70. And I think he’s waiting for the Mara family to cave in and bring him home to the Giants.
Don’t get me wrong, if we can get him, I’m all for it. But would he be receptive to a WCO coach/‘system? Or would he reflexively hire someone from his own tree? Can’t think of who would be left at this point.
by NinerEd on Oct 25, 2010 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Singletary was in the black until this season (5-4, 8-8)
From his first two seasons, we all saw the toughness and attention to detail lacking from the Nolan era. That’s why it’s hard to digest the regression of the team. Yorks will ride this out because they have too much invested in Singletary. Secondly, it isn’t the Yorks to go outside the organization to and find someone with creditials (e.g. Gruden), much less to do it in mid-season. If they do it, we’d probably be looking at Head Coach Manusky, which in hindsight makes the move improbable.
If the Yorks do anything in the offseason, get ready for another good character guy without much of a resume – it’s the Yorks way!
Freakin' 49ers
Everyone out there wants to blame individual players, coaching staff or the bad luck of too many losses of 3 points or less. Listen up people…
The York family’s inept decisions coupled with their penny-pinching ownership style is where to squarely place the blame. Think about it, this is the NFL. Give up the dough it takes to succeed or give up the franchise.The York’s were given the opportunity to let the team thrive on in the NFL, a playground of extremely competitive business people, not a place for inexperienced newbies wanting to play football.
An offer to place a bid for the team was being seriously researched and it’s viability considered by a football savvy consortium of players and some of their financial/legal colleagues. Included were Harris Barton, Joe Montana, and others most of whom were disciples former 49ers owner Eddie DeBartolo Jr. These men knew the team that once reigned proud and strong. Their interests were to maintain that strength and profit from it as well. I do not believe the offer was ever made to the York’s because, as I recall the York camp, in no uncertain terms made it clear that the team was not for sale.
That ignorant choice was an immature power play, an uninformed business decision and a selfish, childlike “it’s mine and you or your friends can’t play with it” display of stubbornness that did nothing but thrust the 49ers and the Faithful into a state of limbo that has gone on far longer than any of us could have imagined. It has made us fully aware of our negative worth to the owners. We are in a place where we now know that we are of no worth to not only the York’s, but to the NFL as well. The York family’s statement that the team would not sell, was their first mistake and unfortunately, marked the beginning of the end.
Next came the fatal blows in rapid succession. I ask you to recall three names from a long list of others whom were either fired, retired, let go or simply released from the team by the inept, knee-jerk reacting rookie ownership in a childish “I’m taking my ball and going home” sort of manner. The names are Carmen Policy, Steve Mariucci and Jeff Garcia. One a great football front office mind headed for Cleveland then retirement, the next a coach with a vision and a magical knack for producing winners out of what seemed to be the opposite. Finally a gritty, fire in the gut QB who at least would have made a fine mentor for the young, green kid out of Utah, eager to learn the ropes after being picked #1 in the 2004 draft.
Since these player and staff departures were either orchestrated by or blindly agreed to by the York’s, try to rationalize the reasoning and see If you can define the York moves as anything other than outrageous, uneducated or irresponsible. I would love to accept a more reasonable explanation and eat my words. I am afraid that what I’ve thought over and outlined above may be the most accurate rationale that I can accept. I am unable to explain the team’s meteoric failures over so rapid a time frame for any other reasons.
The result was a parade of head coaches coming and going through an ever spinning and sometimes crowded revolving door of bargain basement wash-ups and unqualified suit wearing, pretty boy wanna-be’s looking confused. They wondered what went wrong as they paced the sidelines trying to look confident, but were just without a clue. Clueless, because they lacked the experience. Yet the York’s brought ‘em in anyway since they came cheap. The perfect fit for the York family credo.
Sprinkle liberally with a stale smorgasbord buffet of coordinators du jour from both sides of the ball. Follow all that up with an embarrassingly long roster chock full of talentless and forgettable players at QB. QB’s who should never have been allowed to collect inflated salaries for doing so little. They laughed all the way to the bank with a collective “go through the motion” prima-donna attitude as they collectively, yet each in his own unique style, aided in the sinking of the once proud franchise. On top of that, the QB’s were to help bring along the #1 draft pick.
Instead Alex was used and abused recklessly. Thrown to the wolves by seven offensive coordinators over six years. 4 or 5 head coaches, each brimming with the energetic drive of a new hire ready to make an impact with a new team. Season after season a new and different “plan” for him to study digest and attempt to execute. New directions, different schemes, confusing changes and not a stitch of continuity were the order of the day. Season after season, he struggled to succeed, outlasting eight random, less than average NFL hangers on at the quarterback position, each one charged with being his mentor, to bring him along. All pulling and tugging in separate and different directions.
What remained was what eventually would become the premier laughing stock and top whipping post of the NFL.
Today, we field that laughable team, but sadly it is more erratic and confused than then. A collection of disgusted under achieving and stunned players either being given no direction or not willing to accept the coaching. The coaches are unable to find any way to snap the players back into mental or physical strength Lacking the respect of their players and angry with that scenario and frustrated with themselves and the other coaches, all are in a state denial and in a tailspin of stagnant peril they are powerless to escape and seemingly cannot be freed from.
The natural reaction for them is to look to each other and into themselves for reasons and places to put the blame. The confusion so deep, frustration too vast and the constant scrutiny and criticism from the press and fans has blinded them all of where the problem truly has grown from. Try as they might, no relief will be forthcoming, they’ll all be fired sooner or later. The power of ownership means no blame need ever be accepted. The York’s won’t fire each other. Not even if it makes all the sense in the world. For all of us, except for the York’s the following is the truth:
No direction. No leadership. No drive. No fun. No more.
Faithful always, then and now!
penny-pinching
You’re more than welcome to criticize the Yorks, but why do you call them penny-pinching? Given the money they’ve spent on free agents Justin Smith and Nate Clements, and the extensions they’ve given to Patrick Willis and Vernon Davis among others, penny-pinching is a weak argument.
by David Fucillo on Oct 26, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Because they are. This website routinely 86es my messages before I post them whil I attempt to edit, dso fear not, I will not be back
Faithful always, then and now!
huh?
What do you mean 86es your messages? Are you accidentally reloading or something? If you’re having technical problems can you spell it out a bit more so I can let the tech folks know.
And as for your response, saying “Because they are” doesn’t exactly support your argument, or counter my mention of free agents and big contract extensions.
by David Fucillo on Oct 26, 2010 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure what happened. I was proof reading and correcting spelling & punctuation. Saw a misplaced apostrophe and clicked next to it and…POOF! Gone. Made me a bit frustrated, because I had made some great points (my opinion). Couldn’t find it. I’m sure it was my error, since I’m not a real techno-phile. No worries though. I learned a long time ago to let the small stuff go. That’s why I am so passionate about the Niners. I’ ve been attending games since 1984 (5-8 games/season thru 1998), only a couple a season since then. I decided to come back for real, and have had my own pair of seats in UB54 since 2002. I am a Chef and do some fancy tailgating w/ about 30 of the nicest people I’ve ever met. Met them through sharing my grub. Even served it up for #87 two years ago., Couldn’t believe he was hanging w/ the faithful in the lot! Awesome! I guess what I’m alluding to is that even as bad as it gets on the inside, the camaraderie in the lot is what it’s all about. At this point, if they get a win, it’s a bonus. None of my crew will follow the Niners if they move out of SF. We’ll get together at each others homes 4 – 6 times a season and do it up. Afraid none of us can afford to be treated like Raider fans and allow PSL’s and inflated tix and parking prices at a park w/ no tailgating. Unfortunate because we regular guys are THE true Faithful. The Silicon Execs and their rich cohorts and trophy wives will be the only pseudo fans able to attend. We know football and are proud to be critical of the garbage we have been witnessing of late. What the bulk of the wealthy south peninsula attendees know about football is to act like Viking backers and treat every game day as if it were Halloween complete with face paint, goofy hair, posters seeking John 3:14 and the worst fan participation event the “Wave”. We shut that crap down @ the ‘stick! After all there is a game on the field, even if mediocre! We will rule the ’stick up and until thet move ’em out. Come hell or high water, win or lose., I hope they’ll get the same loyalty if they leave SF. Not holding my breath on it though!
Faithful always, then and now!
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