2011 NFL Free Agent QBs And The 49ers: Is Anyone OUR FUTURE?
The 49ers currently have four quarterbacks on the roster, three on the 53-man and one on the practice squad. Of these four guys one is hurt, on top of being on extremely shaky ground to begin with...another came on in relief against Carolina only to look completely inept...yet another guy is a big question mark at this point...and still another has questions of his own, so far, about the playbook.
Yes, I'm talking about Alex Smith, David Carr, Troy Smith, and Nate Davis, respectively. I think it's fair to say at the very least the team could use some depth at the QB position heading into the 2011 season.
The Draft is one way to get talent though even a high first round pick might not be ready to start the opening game. Two of the QB's on the roster aren't signed beyond 2010 thus far and it's hard to imagine both (or either?) getting an extension...so who's left that inspires a ton of confidence even to open the season while a rookie develops?
What if the 49ers aren't able to get the QB they want in the draft or don't want to leave the position to a draft-day game of chance? Who then is "OUR FUTURE" (to borrow from Kory Sheets' fame a bit)?
Let's turn our eyes to free agency and take a look at the QB's who, thus far, look to be free agents in 2011. Certainly we all expect a few of the big names on this list to receive contract extensions before free agency begins, but nonetheless I'll list them anyways...after the jump.
I got the following list from Football's Future and I think it's accurate, but if you notice anyone on the list who has been extended beyond 2010 please let me know so I can edit this list. The first group are guys who are high profile and/or starters this year.
2011 Free Agent QB's
Peyton Manning, IND
Brett Favre, MIN
Donovan McNabb, WAS
Matt Moore, CAR
Kyle Orton, DEN
Michael Vick, PHI
Matt Hasselbeck, SEA
Troy Smith, BAL
Trent Edwards, BUF
JT O'Sullivan, CIN
Seneca Wallace, CLE
Shaun Hill, DET
Brodie Croyle, KC
Chad Pennington, MIA
Tyler Thigpen, MIA
Tarvaris Jackson, MIN
Jim Sorgi, NYG
Kellen Clemens, NYJ
Bruce Gradkowski, OAK
Dennis Dixon, PIT
Billy Volek, SD
Kerry Collins, TEN
Chris Simms, TEN
Rex Grossman, WAS
So who stands out to you on this list who is a real, viable option for the 49ers to sign this off-season? Obviously there's no way Manning becomes a free agent barring the inexplicable.
McNabb has looked just as bad as Alex Smith this season and the 49ers didn't pursue him this past off-season when they certainly had the chance, instead choosing to sign David Carr as the backup and roll the dice with Alex Smith as the starter.
I think it makes total sense for Philly to keep Michael Vick on the roster and continue trotting whichever guy is healthiest each week (Vick or Kevin Kolb). After all, they are the ones who gave Vick's career a second chance and have done a nice job of using him in ways that take advantage of his talent. Vick probably feels somewhat grateful for the chance Philly took on him and I think it would be in both of their best interest to re-sign him.
A few names stand out to me, but none get me all excited and giddy...it's really not a great list. Still, we're talking about a guy who would be a fall-back option if the team is not able to swing a trade for a stud QB or pull off the elusive "draft-hit" at QB.
The most intriguing name on the list is perhaps that of Tarvaris Jackson. I say that because he's young-ish, mobile, and has been sitting behind Brett Favre for the last two years as well as having some starting experience of his own. I could think of worse options from the list unless you really just want a 1-year QB for a stopgap solution.
In that case you probably go with a guy like Kerry Collins or Chad Pennington. Neither has "all the tools" anymore but they are mostly smart players and have tons of starting experience in the NFL.
So, what say you Niners Nation?? Who would you choose from the list and why?
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JTO FTW!!!
"I don't know what feels worse than an interception... I don't know... Probably someone burning an American flag would hurt a little more, inside, than an interception. I don't know man, that'd be pretty bad." - Ricky Stanzi
WHAAAA!!!
JTOWOF or JTOIOF!!!
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by Haggardninja on Oct 26, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
even if he was the answer do we want another David Carr vs. Carolina performance from our backup?
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
oh come on
i think the intent of your post speaks for itself..
you want a new starting qb for this team.
I'd like to have better options than we have
I’m still on the fence with Alex
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
although at times it seems like a walrus could play QB better than Alex, his stats aren’t really that bad… strangely..
by PartyStarter on Oct 26, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
feh
He can’t make a play when it matters. If you discount the stats from garbage time, he’s just as bad as we think he is.
Plus, he has failed over and over.
Sure he can
He makes plays in the red zone all right.
It is the friggin defense that can not make a stop when it matters.
If he made plays in the Red Zone...
The Defense wouldn’t have to stop last minute drives for field goals. Most of our games we have lost by a field goal.
we are phenomenal in the red zone
and Alex makes plays in 2-minute situations (ie. “when it matters”). He’s not great but those two are actually two of his strongest areas (red zone and 2-minute)
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
wow, you really dont watch the niners...
the red zone is where we have been almost, if not top, of the league…
Now that Alex is injured
Maybe the jury is still out on him and Jed can re-sign Alex for another 3 years. And we can bring in Chris Simms and Josh McCown as backups so that way no one will doubt who the starter should be. Yes, this sounds like a good plan.
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
Good plan
This way we continue to rack up high 1st round draft picks. Gotta say without Alex and Jed’s game plan we’d never have ended up with VD, Willis or Crabs
If Vick is a FA then sign him and still draft a good QB
Otherwise try for someone list Tarvaris Jackson.
Part of me wants the team to continue it’s losing ways so that we could get Luck.. otherwise.. someone with good potential, strong and accurate arm and able to read and react postively to defenses.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
we likely need two QB's anyways
and judging by the list above, we’d still need to draft or trade for a guy even if we signed one from above
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
Do you think the Saints will trade Drew Brees to us ?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
yes
He threw 4 INTs last week…clearly he’s a bust now and completely worthless. We’ll give them Norris and some rice a roni
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
by Tre9er on Oct 26, 2010 5:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
none
there is no one in that group I want besides manning of course, so draft is the best bet
by texasniner06 on Oct 26, 2010 2:16 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I would draft a QB in the 1st round
I don’t know enough about college QBs to make an adequate argument for any one of them, but right now my choices are between Luck anywhere in the 1st round or Locker in the mid to late 1st round. None of them would play this coming season though. For that season I would sign one of McNabb (unlikely as Washington will probably extend him), Gradkowski, Hill or Hasselbeck. I personally would want a mediocre QB so the Niners don’t perform just well enough (like last year) and have a chance to add more talent in the 2012 draft before our QBOTF starts.
disagree
manning
vick would fit fine. move j. staley back to the right side.
draft another qb with starting potential
heck I even like gradowski
(my previous post btw was pure mischeviousness)
bruce plays to win.
would not mind signing him.
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Oct 26, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
gradkowski
i’d take him. hes always fired up and scrappy.
reminds me of Garcia-i’d take him. as a back up.
that said- i have no answer for the starting QB- those few of us still on the Support ASmith bandwagon are running out of food and water and none of the FA or college QB have me sold yet.
also, wouldn’t mind a healthy Pennington(i’ll probably get flack for that)
A healthy Pennington is like a no-brainer
Except he’s never healthy
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
Yeah
I like Gradkowski, good arm, mobil, started some games and won. He proved he can come in off the bench and be ready. He has also shown that he won’t make waves while sitting on the bench.
by On the fifty on Oct 26, 2010 3:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Why wouldn't we just take Garcia
We could give ol’ gunslinger a run for his “oldest QB in the game” record.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Need a long term solution
We don’t need a one year quarterback solution. Hell, Alex Smith can do that for us, assuming the coaching is stronger, we have a more aggressive system. An over-the-hill QB from elsewhere isn’t a solution.
Assuming Alex isn’t the long term solution, then the priorities need to be a) fix the discipline of the team (coaching) b) fix the offensive system to open it up and c) find the long term solution to the QB.
do you see anyone on the list above who might be a long-term solution?
my guess is that you do not
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
what if we draft another alex smith : / and wasn’t tyler thigpen like… not that bad in KC a couple years ago? i know its a long shot but what if he becomes good?
by PartyStarter on Oct 26, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
We'd need new coaches
if we’re gonna talk QBs. Otherwise, it won’t matter who we bring in. Any QB is destined for failure here as it stands now.
one topic per post...I can't fix the whole team in one post
despite popular belief
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
I was think'n the same thing ...
… when i watch other team’s their whole philosophy is so much better then the Niner’s , and for me, it stem’s all the way down the line …time for a complete shake up all the way around and it pain’s me to say it …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Slim Pickens
Yeah, that list doesn’t exactly bake the beans.
Orton stood out, but then I was shut down by topcheese613. It would be interesting to see what Tavaris Jackson can do with all the weapons available, but something tells me the Vikes are gonna keep him around. Probably the fact that Favre will eventually be nothing more than a skeleton in a loose fitting pair of Wrangles at this rate. If Vick is actually available, he is the best option.
Might as well buy a guy for a year and draft for the future. The only names I see fit for that role are Gradkowski, Pennington and I can’t believe I’m typing this….Matt….Has…slebeck…that hurt me.
by DuckNeck Merton on Oct 26, 2010 2:27 PM PDT reply actions
Micheal Vick
He has shown that he can be a starting without having to run. He has earned starting money. I dont think eagles will pay him starting money or want to hold him back form being a starter, even though they were the only team to sign him.
I like Vick, bruce, and shuan hill.
we can in addition draft a good quaterback in the draft.
go niners
I say get that Troy Smith guy you have listed in Baltimore
Sorry Tre had to poke a little fun
A proud member of the epic "Green Thread" that was Pitts nonsigning of 3/24-3/25. Oh and I was there for there for the Carr nonpresser too.
It is not slim pickens
There are plenty of guys out there. I would swoop up on Denis Dixon or Vick if we could. My morals are tossed to the side once we have a poop infested season like this. If we have a chance snag up Luck, Locker , or one of the Oregon boys.
I agree
Just for starters, with any number of those guys we would not be 1-5 this year.
:( :crying:
we’re 1-6
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
by crumpedup15 on Oct 26, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Wishful thinking
.. QB was not the biggest problem.
many of us think it is
But that is discussed on a different post (or many different posts).
Look, I know this season has been rough
But let’s not lose sight of what’s truly important:
Wasn’t there a moratorium on graphical representations of The Hated One on our beloved blog?
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
the pic
Had two of the FA QBs in it and I was in a hurry. Besides, this new Brett is less abrasive what with all the sucking and all
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
by Tre9er on Oct 26, 2010 5:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
True, now he inspires mirth and laughter
His photo used to inspire anger
Like I mentioned in my fanpost
I think we should trade for Kolb…eagles will re-sign vick, and besides hes still a risk to get a huge contract and then do something stupid. Kolb was given the keys to the starting job this season, only to have them taken away after getting hurt…hes not gonna want to sit behind Vick and will likely demand a trade.
I find the situation to be analogous to Matt Schaub being plucked from the Falcons, and its not just because both are/were Vicks backups. Both are young qbs and Schaub has proved that sometimes its best to use a draft pick on someone with proven abilities then roll the dice with a draft pick yet again.
please stop with the Kolb bandwagon
He’s not a good NFL quarterback. His success rate throwing beyond 5 yards is horrendous. He’s a typical spread college QB who throws short well.
He’s also the “Checkdown King Kolb”. Take McCoy out of the backfield and Kolb wouldn’t be able to throw for 100 yards per game.
Also, Matt Schaub was better in Atlanta than Kolb has been in Philly. He had the arm to make the throws. Kevin Kolb can’t throw 30 yard passes into wind.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Oct 26, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
theres absolutely no way in hell peyton leaves the colts. that team is sub-500 without him
lets see about troy smith and nate davis, then see whos available in FA. id honestly like to get a FA rather than draft a QB. draft a top CB
of course i wanted vick signed our of prison so
9/8/10: 49ers go 11-5, Lose to Falcons first round. Smitty: 3500/25/15. Gore: 1300 yards, 10 TDs. Crabtree: 1000 yards, 7 TDs. Vernon: 900 yards, 8 TDs
by MichaelClutchtree on Oct 26, 2010 2:44 PM PDT reply actions
Two options
1. Sign Michael Vick, draft a QB in the middle rounds, and keep Nate Davis to be next year’s backup.
2. Draft a QB in the 1st round of the draft, sign Bruce Gradkowski, and keep Nate Davis as insurance.
Those are just about the only options I can see playing out. All three of the active QB’s on the Niners roster this year should be gone next season.
One option that I cannot support is drafting a QB and giving him the job on the first week of next season. This team had a bad record, but they are still closer to being a winning team than being a doormat. There’s no reason this team can’t compete in the playoffs next year with a few key additions.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
How Come?
All of the Smith haters say that he has six years experience? wasn’t he injured 2 years with the shoulder and now again with the shoulder so it would almost be 3 years and so it means he still has only played 3 years with us technically, so I say resign him for two years maybe 3 so we can draft OUR FUTURE QB and let him learn while Smith holds the fort down, because I know none of us want to throw in another rookie in right away.
you gotta count those years
injury’s an injury, and it looks like he’s losing time again this year….
Sexy Rexy Is Our Future!
But seriously, Dennis Dixon looked fantastic in college before the injury(s)… And Kerry Collins is the real deal, even if he just holds a clipboard (which is why I doubt they let him walk).
Same with Tarvaris, but again, he’s more likely to be locked up than Glen Coffee with a loaded weapon.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Micheal Vick , McNabb, Croyle
These guys I think would fit perfect in the organization 1 Vick he’s still young and playing the best I’ve ever seen since his college years. He has shown he can stand in the pocket and pass with great accuracy and use his feet when he needs to I like him. Philly would be stupid to extent his contact 2. McNabb experience leadership he still has the tools to get it done Philly all-time passer in yards and winning percentage why not get, though Vick is young both are still in their prime 3. Croyle this guy is unknown, but I seen him at Bama this guy has a great arm and can play plus he’s younger than Vick and McNabb he not a runner kind like Kolb, but he’s winner and tough we need that at the helm
Also, a guy I'd like to see the Niners trade for
Is Joe Webb from the Vikings. He has the potential to be a star in this league. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s the Vikings starting QB next year at some point.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
To be the backup BTW
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Oct 26, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Oof.
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Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
Andrew Luck / Jake Locker
I would rather have the future QB come from the draft in any of these 2 guys than sign anybody in that list (Manning & Vick wont be available, lets get real)…..show Carr and T.Smith the boot, keep A. Smith for a year more and let Luck learn the system, and then we will have a complete team (considering the most important part of all, that we have a new coaching staff that actually teaches some football to these guys, we have talent, its only a matter that they have been poorly coached and poorly put in the position to make an actual team effort and thus win games)
by Danny Cool on Oct 26, 2010 2:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Don't know why
Everyone assumes Vick won’t be available. The Eagles have a lot of money due to Kevin Kolb and won’t franchise tag Vick. That means re-signing him to a long term deal and being forced to trade Kolb. If Vick leads them deep into the playoffs then he’ll stay. If not, then he goes.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Oct 26, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
yeps!
and he’s got an old familiar friend in town in our OC. the chances of making a run at vick are substantial
Unfortunately, I don't think the Yorks will have him
He is a dog killer afterall. San Fran is way to liberal to accept Vick. If he killed people and served time it would be okay. Killing dogs… there would be rioting in the streets of SF.
kolb's deal
I believe it was mostly front loaded to circumvent the 30% rule, no?
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
by Tre9er on Oct 26, 2010 5:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Mallett is better than Locker, and just about equal with Luck
Locker is a bust waiting to happen. He’s regressed at UW this year
'Bama fan since birth, NIners & Hawks fan since '86, Braves fan since '90
Championships: 'Bama - check. Braves - work in progress. Niners - playoff berth is hoped for. Hawks....maybe in my lifetime
No to Locker...
…maybe to Luck. Both have serious question marks. Locker is under 60% completion percentage for his career, and Luck doesn’t have 27 starts.
Troy Smith
guy has a career TD:INT ratio of 4:1!
honestly, we are taking a QB in the 1st. That’s part of the equation if we’re going to get a great coach into town. Gradko would be nice, but i can see a vet like pennington coming in to be part of the mentoring process.
I feel like we’re going to know pretty quickly, once the new coach comes to town, whether or not Nate and Troy are worth keeping around (I don’t think sing- or nolan for that matter- had any clue what to do with troy/nate). however, i’d really like to see what happens when these guys get playing time and/or some quality professional education.
by t p on Oct 26, 2010 2:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Orton is an intriguing option who might become available.
If the Broncos continue to have a mediocre season then either the fans or ownership might clamor for Tebow. And if he shows anything then Orton becomes expendable.
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by Hoopers Judge on Oct 26, 2010 3:06 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Orton is in no way the problem for Denver
He’s playing his butt off.
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
Didn't say he was.
If they continue to loss and are knocked out of the playoffs early then Tebow will get snaps in place if Orton. He if he shows any talent they’ll consider starting the “Tebow Era” in 2011.
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Stephen Curry to David Lee
Madison Bumgarner to Gerald Buster "Jesus" Posey
by Hoopers Judge on Oct 26, 2010 4:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Rex Grossman
As competition for whoever we draft. Would not mind him as a backup.
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
this
Should get you banned
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
by Tre9er on Oct 26, 2010 5:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Grossman's small hands and questionable decision making triumphs all!
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
Depressing
I find the whole thing a bit depressing. None of the free agents either will sign for us (Manning, Vick) or are any good (everyone else on that list). And I can’t think about a high pick being spent on a QB because it reminds me of Alex and gives me the heebie-jeebies.
The only thing I can think is that we bring Shaun Hill back.
(For what it’s worth, my first paragraph was serious; my second was not.)
Proud member of the legendary David Carr thread and the famous Green Thread.
i'd take a gutty guy like Gradk
Or at least someone with talent who hasn’t proven over and over to suck…or a vet who can help us bide time and mentor a young guy…but the main point is: after Alex (for whom most already hold a great deal of contempt) who can get us a touchdown on a drive as a result of their own skill, whatsoever? We need better depth, if anything.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
by Tre9er on Oct 26, 2010 5:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
well said
none of the top flights will sign (manning, vick, etc.), alex smith has made me completely paranoid when it comes to drafting a QB now and the rest i dont see being our future or are in their twilight years already ..the QB situation, along with the coaching situation, will be the most delicate position to handle this offseason
by FortyNiner00 on Oct 26, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
NO MICHAEL VICK
He’s a scumbag and if the 49ers were to sign him, a lot of people would turn away from the team for good.
He belongs in prison, not in 49er scarlet.
Vick's done his time
MICHAEL VICK IS OUR FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Untill he gets hurt, anyways
Well, We know that Alex sure is smart
…and his Wunderlick was through the roof! Let’s just stick with him
At this point, I don't think there is a one-way fix.
I think the 49ers need to take several routes to fix this issue. They need depth. They need a starter. They need both short term and long term solutions. Free agent signings, re-signings, and drafting will all be necessary.
Of the available free agents, I’m not too excited about anyone. Michael Vick is intriguing because of how well he has played and how he could make this bad pass blocking look a lot better. However, I don’t think he will ever be a reliable option long-term (injury; cost; will always play at such a high level?). Also, there will be a lot of competition to sign him after what he has shown this season, not to mention there would be a lot of sensitive 49ers fans resenting him from day 1.
Hasselbeck would be an interesting gap-filler. He wouldn’t be the future, but he could compete for the starting job and would at the very least add depth and a veteran presence. With that said, I wouldn’t be surprised if he stays in Seattle. McNabb, eh. Manning isn’t gonna happen. No thanks to Favre. Orton is over-achieving (to his credit, of course), but I don’t see him as a franchise guy.
Of the lower-profile guys, the ones I would have any interest in are Jackson, Pennington, Gradkowski, and Dixon. However, I wouldn’t see any of them as “the future.” More just guys that could compete and add better depth than Carr. None would be a guaranteed upgrade over A.Smith, but they could compete. Jackson seems similar to Smith (still unsure if he would be better or not), Pennington is a smart and scrappy (but injury prone) veteran, Gradkowski is an energetic spark plug, and Dixon has the potential to be a dynamic player. Not so sure he’ll ever be much of a passer, though.
As for Alex Smith, as sick of him as many fans are, I think it could be a good idea to retain him. He won’t demand a high salary, and rather than looking at him as “the future,” you simply look at him as one of the QBs on your roster. It is unlikely anyone available is going to come in and be immediately better than Smith, so he could help your team whether he’s starting or the backup. With that said, I don’t know if he will want to stay after this year. It may depend greatly on who the coach will be next season and whether he likes Smith or not.
And, of course, there is the draft. However, will that fix this team’s problems? I don’t know. Either way, a QB has got to be taken off the board by the 49ers, and I hope they hit on him. It’s such a damn crapshoot with QBs in the draft, so I hope the 49ers have good offensive minds going into the draft (I’m not so sure they have enough of those guys right now).
Touchdown Forty Niners!
well said
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
by Tre9er on Oct 26, 2010 5:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Good points.
As far as I’m concerned the only way to find a QB of the future is through the draft. Trying to find a free agent vetern to be “The Guy” is, I think, futile. Guys are either maxed out or “spoiled.”
And being afraid to draft a QB because of prior expierence is stupid. If that’s the case, why draft anyone in the 1st if you’re afraid of them busting?
Almost everyone here can agree that Alex was probably drafted too high. Also he was drafted by an awful team with awful players, coaches, front office, and ownership. A 2011 rookie is going into a totally different situation with weapons, a (hopefully) good O-Line, more then likely better coaching (sorry Sing), and a descent defence. Yup, Andrew Luck is going to fit right in.
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by Hoopers Judge on Oct 26, 2010 7:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
kerry collins and chad pennington
from the list. kerry tarvaris and gradkowski would probably be in there as well. vick will be hard to get, not impossible, but if he has a great year in philly, they’ll be foolish to let him go. vick and kolb is a QB headache most coaches would be happy to live with.
Eff it
Let’s bring back Rattay
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
somewhere out there..
Giovanni Carmazzi is wishing he had another shot.
then i have another chance at winning a bet i made with a friend in 7th grade.
GC wins a super bowl for the Niners: i win 50 bucks,
GC dies before we win another SB, i’m out 50- i toast to Gio’s health on a regular basis
The solution
Put Bamm-Bamm in at qb/ with an Andy Lee wildcat option.
Put a helmet on Sing and let him fill in for PW and have TKO keep him from killing a ref while out there.
Make Johnson the interm HC since Sings on the field. And have Alex Smith take over Play calling since he seems smart enough just has problems with the exicution part of it.
Problems solved in house.
Playoffs here we come.
A proud member of the epic "Green Thread" that was Pitts nonsigning of 3/24-3/25. Oh and I was there for there for the Carr nonpresser too.
by tanos135 on Oct 26, 2010 3:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Peyton, Alex Smith, Kolk, Vick
In that order. Maybe Kerry Collins, but he’s so old. And I still think Alex is a decent QB, just needs coaches to open up the offense more.
Alex is decent
for another team.
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
amended version
Luck, Locker, Mallet, Peyton, Alex Smith, Kolb, Vick, Dixon.
May as well draft for the next 10 rather than settling for an expensive QB for the next 3. No Collins, he throws like an old lady.
Hey Tre
What about some of the guys playing UFL?
I don’t know who’s all out there. But Garcia, Cullpepper?
Just thinking maybe that could be added to this disscussion?
A proud member of the epic "Green Thread" that was Pitts nonsigning of 3/24-3/25. Oh and I was there for there for the Carr nonpresser too.
Three ? marks in a row
is that an award or an epic failure?
Whoops make that four.
A proud member of the epic "Green Thread" that was Pitts nonsigning of 3/24-3/25. Oh and I was there for there for the Carr nonpresser too.
Haha, he has the "go deep" syndrome
1st and 10 – (Play-action pass) – Culpepper goes deep; incomplete
2nd and 10 – (Run up the middle) – Culpepper keeps it and goes deep to nobody in particular; incomplete (no intentional grounding penalties in UFL)
3rd and 10 – (Screen pass) – Culpepper pump-fakes to RB and goes deep; incomplete.
4th and 10 – (Punt) – Culpepper takes direct snap and goes deep; incomplete; turnover on downs.
Daunte Culpepper is our future!
Touchdown Forty Niners!
not opposed to it...
As long as you turn on the tape and see them diagnosing coverage and handling pressure, adapting, progressions, etc…not just someone who’s looked good in the ufl with TD’s and big plays.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
by Tre9er on Oct 26, 2010 5:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
One more opinion ...
Draft a QB in Round 1 because, if things get better (hard to get worse) we won’t get a higher pick in the near future.
The only free agent on your list that I would even consider would be Dennis Dixon.
Next year’s roster:
- Alex Smith
- Troy Smith (or Dennis Dixon, if you can get him)
- The rookie.
PS Nate Davis — maybe with one more year on the PS he will learn the playbook! Alas, with a new HC and a new offensive system Nate will be starting over, again! Somehow that sounds like Alex Smith’s story.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Oct 26, 2010 4:04 PM PDT reply actions
Glad I'm not alone
In the Dennis Dixon love. The guy was amazing in Oregon, and surprisingly decent when he got his chance to shine in Pittsburgh.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Draft.
I do not think that Smith is a very bad QB. And I do not see anybody on this list who will be available, and markedly better then Smith given this offense (and defense, which sucks).
What we need is a new coach and offensive coordinator, who will draft a new QB and develop him over a year or two, while still playing Smith (or anybody else, if just for the change of scenery).
Anybody who asks for Nate Davis needs his head examined.
Mike Johnson has actually done quite well with the system that's in place
He should stay. Manusky needs to go.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 26, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure on Johnson
He might be good.
For me, the biggest let down this year was defense. Not Smith. Even with a few obvious brain farts he played well enough to have a winning record right now. Seriously – with his red zone stats, how you can just throw him under bus and give everybody else a free pass.
Because the majority of sports fans are fueled by emotion and shortsightedness. It’s easiest to blame everything the QB or HC.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
The New and Improved Bay Area Connections:
Alex Smith to Michael Crabtree
Stephen Curry to David Lee
Madison Bumgarner to Gerald Buster "Jesus" Posey
by Hoopers Judge on Oct 26, 2010 7:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Mansusky is a victim of Coach Singletary
Remember, Manusky is the aggressive blitz happy Linebacker coach from Sand Diego who put that defense on the map. Notice that when we blitz consistently, we do damage. He is being forced to sit back on a 7-0 or 6-3 lead because Singletary is strategically inept. The coaches are being hand-cuffed by this slow black and white plodding philosophy that our team has adopted.
When you see defenses run late shifts into the play we run – they know what’s coming. It happens repeatedly in every game! we rae ebing out-coached and not out-talented.
I loved Sing going in, but the Niners are unprepared and unorganized each week. Just look!
Seriously, can we stop pretending the "Draft-A-QB" option is realistic?
This entire discussion (and possibly season) is fallout from the first time we tried drafting a QB from a weak class, remember?
Without a veteran QB, proven coaches, and system to plug him into, your #1 Draft pick superstar QB will end up just like Alex Smith in a few years.
Insert smart-sounding quote about those ignorant of history doomed to repeat it, etc etc…
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Draft is realistic if..
..if 49r get a good coach, who also know his X and O.
Otherwise, yes, 49rs already have two #1 picks on the roster.
With a good coach, Smith is perfectly serviceable for the transition period.
Nope
Draft is realistic if the 49ers get a real GM. Else it wouldn’t matter who is coaching the team.
This right here
'Bama fan since birth, NIners & Hawks fan since '86, Braves fan since '90
Championships: 'Bama - check. Braves - work in progress. Niners - playoff berth is hoped for. Hawks....maybe in my lifetime
Joe Montana
He’s wearing some kind of Forrest Gump “Magic” shoes, and on a commercial, he threw the ball really far… and it totally wasn’t fake.
Seriously though, he would probably still play better than any of the current 49er QB’s.
by aBulldog on Oct 26, 2010 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Doesn't move around well enough to avoid the rush behind our line
He’d get injured quickly.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 26, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed...
Keep Alex, bring back Hill or maybe Collins for a year, drop Carr and Troy Smith, bring back Nate…sorry Sing, luv ur style but u gots to go, Gruden would be a blast to have as HC and I am sure he can round up a quality OC, kind of like Manusky (except for that soft prevent crap that cost 3 games this year) but sure Gruden would fix that too…draft a long term prospect at QB…and I think we have a good chance at the playoffs for several years…
Gruden
No he can’t fix the D. Remember he won his SB with Dungy’s built team and Kiffins D. And against the team he put together.
A proud member of the epic "Green Thread" that was Pitts nonsigning of 3/24-3/25. Oh and I was there for there for the Carr nonpresser too.
but
Consider poss that sing is influencing Manusky’s style a bit with conservative mojo he gives off…just a poss
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
by Tre9er on Oct 26, 2010 5:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Have to
agree with this. I do think Sing might be influencing this. When Nolan was dropped boom the defense prospered. Sing has had to have put some into it since he took over but more so this year. I think Manusky is a good DC and needs to be allowed to do his job same with who ever is OC.
A proud member of the epic "Green Thread" that was Pitts nonsigning of 3/24-3/25. Oh and I was there for there for the Carr nonpresser too.
Billy Volek
I think he’s the best option with the most potential upside for a Rich Gannon late Renaissance career. He played well when given the opportunity in Tennessee and some wondered why he wasn’t given a shot to ever win that job. He’s been forgotten because he plays behind Phillip Rivers in San Diego. Still he’s considered one of the best backup QBs in the NFL and has spent three years studying under Norv.
I like that option best if the 49ers cannot secure the top QB prospect in the draft. Even a guy like Locker probably won’t be ready to start the season so Volek is viable starter while the rookie learns on the bench.
by bignerd on Oct 26, 2010 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I like Volek
And if SD tanks there could be a chance to get Norv back at OC.
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idk
Part of me likes the idea of turner at OC but the rest says MJ is doing good, young, needs better HC and would a new system really be best?
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
by Tre9er on Oct 26, 2010 5:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Solid points
I guess getting Turner would also mean keeping A. Smith and getting Volek or Collins ie some one who has worked with Turner before.
Volek btw won me a fantasy title back when he came in for the Titans and had a few 4td games. So I guess I’m a little partial.
A proud member of the epic "Green Thread" that was Pitts nonsigning of 3/24-3/25. Oh and I was there for there for the Carr nonpresser too.
Yay, let’s go get a 7-9 season! What would be sad is if Turner came back and we came to the same putrid record.
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
Turner over M.J a thousand times ...
M.J. was the Qb coach , him Raye and Sullivan , had 18 month’s together and their imagination as a whole is far from creative , even if Sing had his hand’s in it , This whole offensive foundation is flawed , dang near as bad as the Defense …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
This way with Turner we could finally find out what Smith can do ...
… otherwise i want him to go to a team with a coach that know’s how to develope a team around his Qb strenth’s …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
The time for going backwards is over
No Norv – no coach that we’ve had before. It’s time for us to get a new young buck in the mix. Perry Fewell from the Giants maybe. I say that because we already have the pieces in place for a pretty darn good defense, we just need to cut them loose. Our offense needs a complete overhaul – if Singletary is pulling the strings on Jimmy raye then you know he is pulling the same ones on Mike Johnson.
We don’t threaten. we’ve got the concensus best TE, and a crop of decent young receivers who can’t be any worse than Austin Collie or Pierre Garcon or Brian White…the difference – - scheme and execution. No we don’t have Payton Manning, but good grief – I saw Jim Sorgi put up numbers in that system. We have Gore, we have Dixon, Walker, Zeigler…who is Brandon Lafell? IDK but he cut up our secondary Saturday.
It’s all about scheme.
I've long been intrigued...
…by Billy Volek. I felt we should have given him a look when Tennessee traded him.
completely agree
I think Volek is the most intriguing option on the list. Vick or McNabb would be big time signings but . You still have to draft a QB regardless of what happens (unless Troy Smith is our future ^^).
by asmithisaverage on Oct 27, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
JIm Sorgi
would be good quarterback backed up one of the greats. Fire Sing, i know nobody wants to here this,but sing came under nolan if you going to get rid of nolan get rid of him that means Sing. find a good coach draft a quarterback coach him up and let wins some games
Gradkowski- for the price/upside/stop-gap, whatever
or
Vick- throw as much money at him as it takes.
[site decorum]
I like your sig
makes me think “site decorum” these are my only options?
A proud member of the epic "Green Thread" that was Pitts nonsigning of 3/24-3/25. Oh and I was there for there for the Carr nonpresser too.
not talking trash to you
or your thoughts.
just saying how I look at it.
A proud member of the epic "Green Thread" that was Pitts nonsigning of 3/24-3/25. Oh and I was there for there for the Carr nonpresser too.
if only we hadn't cut Michael Robinson
I had been banging the drum for him to play QB the last few years. At Penn St he showed more ability and intangibles than Smith or Carr ever had.
[site decorum]
That's classic!
I’ll be d**** if Nolan had the right pick for QB, except asked him to play special teams. It’s just so indicative of our management.
Nate Davis @ Ball State > MRob @ Penn State
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
None of them will want to come here our line is so atrocious.
Teams with bad O-lines are where QBs go to die. Vick would be the only one with a fighting chance and he’s not dumb enough to try it without a big deal.
Gimme 1 round!
line
The good plays this year have been plentiful for these guys too…enough to think they’ll be much better next year. OL rookies take 2 years usually (not everyone is Clady or Oher)
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
by Tre9er on Oct 26, 2010 5:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
the o-line isn't actually terrible
They can open the run game and except for some rookie mistakes (and the ongoing saga at RG), the play is generally improving. The play calling and the decisions at QB have left a lot more to be desired.
by asmithisaverage on Oct 27, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Tavaris Jackson
seems nice, he’s been backing up for Favre for 2 years now (might start this week and beyond)… i think he would be the Singletary type QB, because Singletary will probably be back next year, SADLY, or atleast the Yorks like him (singletary)..
I like Jackson and Brodie Croyle… hell, bring back Hill. he was a gutty guy out there.
You all stare, but you'll never see, there's something inside me.
but...
gotta go get Andrew in this years draft… hopefully we get Luck(y)
You all stare, but you'll never see, there's something inside me.
What about C.P. Or T.R???
Wonder if Cody pick-it or Tim Rattay are FAs next year?! We could pick them up n have a real QB battle in pre-season!
by Mulch23 on Oct 26, 2010 5:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I'd like to have Vick
But I dont think he’ll come here. He’s going to get old in a hurry even if he really doesn’t because his jail time saved his legs, but his age number will lead teams thinking he’s old. So if his agent is smart he is going to attempt to parlay the season Vick has into a long term deal. So I think we are going after a QB in the draft as top priority which means whoever we bring in is a stopgap, dont think Vick will want to be a stop gap. The other strategy is to take Vick now spend that high first rounder on another position of need like CB then take a 2nd or 3rd round qb that you can develop for 3-4 years while Vick is around and address to areas of concern. The only flaw in the second strategy is that by developing a mid round qb you are saying I most likely am not getting elite talent and while I may develop a good qb at what point do I say as the 49er organization I need to have an elite quarterback who can carry a team. Id say its the difference between a Flacco-Rivers both much better than our current situation but still an obvious disparity.
Draft Luck No.1 overall
Draft K. Cousins in the 5th or 6th
Sign Matt Hasselbeck.
?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
Gradkowski
is the only one I’d consider on that list. How ironic is that? Raiders have a better QB. You look at him and see that he could defintely play in this league and the game surely isn’t too fast for him (ala Alex Smith). If not a starter, he’s at least a bonifide back up, unlike JTO or Carr. Call him a poor man’s version of Rich Gannon.
Too fast?
Alex Smith has some of the best stats in the red zone in the league. Game is not too fast for him. His problems are elsewhere.
Wow, where have you been?
Ok, I’ll lay off the sarcasm and assume you’re fairly new to the Niners. Read this (below) for starters, then try to look at some past vids.
Caught Steve Young on KNBR’s “The Razor and Mister T” on the drive to Candlestick Park tonight. After the requisite reminiscences, the Hall of Fame quarterback got to the important stuff: Alex Smith. And Young managed to not only praise Smith, but zing another NFC West quarterback who entered the league as a high first-round pick.
“I think Alex is a competent quarterback,” Young said. “I think Alex understands the game, and I’m telling you there’s a reaction – similar to Matt Leinart. He can’t get out of third gear. He throws the nice ball, he can drop back. But when things get fast – fast, fast – you can tell, he just can’t quite keep up. You really can’t win jobs when you can’t keep up.”
Ouch.
For most of his first four NFL seasons, Smith couldn’t keep up. He showed some signs of catching on last year, and is clearly embarking on a make-or-break season. Young no doubt has some empathy. He spent two dismal years with Tampa Bay – a 3-16 record, 11 touchdowns, 21 interceptions, 68 sacks – before getting rescued by Bill Walsh’s 49ers. He then sat behind Joe Montana for most of the next four seasons.
The point is that it took Young some time to prove he wasn’t terrible. Now is Smith’s time. And while generally supportive of Smith, Young didn’t soften the expectations.
“We can now make really hard judgments about Alex and the team and his play – this season,” Young said. “And that’s the truth. I would tell Alex: The pressure is on. You have everything in front of you, you’ve got all the opportunities you’ve ever wanted to be a professional quarterback today. So all the things you’ve been through, forget it.”
http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2010/09/young-to-alex-the-pressure-is-on.html
Mindless's point isn't without facts.
Alex has great numbers this year in the red zone. He’s got 9 TDs, a 77% completion rate, and a QB rating in the 120’s.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
The New and Improved Bay Area Connections:
Alex Smith to Michael Crabtree
Stephen Curry to David Lee
Madison Bumgarner to Gerald Buster "Jesus" Posey
by Hoopers Judge on Oct 26, 2010 7:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Now if Gore can carry Alex to the Red Zone on his back, then it's all good right?
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
Exactly!
lol.
But seriously, if you can do it in the red zone, you can do it anywhere. I really think this all comes back to coaching more than anything.
Touchdown Forty Niners!
You're right, but he's not answering the question (his own question?).
That stated answer would be to the question of what his red zone numbers are. Who asked that question? No one.
Worse yet, you’re helping the “red herring” gain strength.
Hilarious guys.
I think you should retake your logic 101 class.
There is no “red herring” here. Stats are stats, and they indicate certain level of abilities.
New to 49rs? I laugh in your general direction, good sir.
Yeah and those are tale telling stats right?
They answer the question of whether the game is too fast for him, right? Yep. Sure. How about his QB rating. No thanks. How about his completion %? No thanks. The only thing one has to know is his red zone % this season and that makes him a player. Yep, that’s all there is to it folks. LOL, I’m literally turning my stomach over LMAO!
Maybe Steve Young should just STFU and listen to Mindless stats (pun intended).
Agree Steve Young should STFU , after all what has he proven ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Yeah your're right. HOF Steve Young has proven he doesn't know squat about playing QB in this league.
In fact, his opinion should be secondary to yours. Just state your opinion and we’ll all bow down to it.
Once again, you should brush up on your logical reasoning
..and reading comprehension. Your are arguing with a strawman and ignore the point that was made. Appeal to authority added for good measure.
But do not worry, you are in a good company. Most of the fans here have their panties in a bunch and can not think straight.
LOL, digging a hole for yourself as if it wasn't already big enough
If you actually knew the idiocy of what your claim represents…
Mindless said:
Too fast? Alex Smith has some of the best stats in the red zone in the league. Game is not too fast for him.
Tell me, if you actually had a clue what fallacies actually were, what does this represent?
LOL, keep digging that hole deeper for yourself because it’s making you look smarter by the minute.
Dennis Dixon
I know he injured his knee this year and that may make this too speculative but from what I’ve seen I’d think he’d be a reliable backup.
He has running ability and I think from watching some games while he was at Oregon he will be a decent passer.
Unfortunately really only got one game to see him perform this year however this guy seems to win most of the games he is in and sometimes you just need that intangible.
Tavaris Jackson also wouldn’t be bad as he is mobile also.
Don't really need a mobile QB.
Just one that MOVES in the pocket. Don’t have to be a scrambler.
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
injury is an injury
it may count as an accumulated nfl year per collective bargaining but if he couldn’t play cause of injury how do you count that as nfl experience, unless you think spending all your time rehabbing will make you a better qb then being injured should be a mitigating factor, and while he was injured he had multiple OC so it’s not like he was learning the current offense while being injured. And don’t bring up Rogers cause it’s not the same since rogers was in the same system with the same coaches the entire time.
Lets get back to the West Coast Offense
If we have the mentality of getting back to being an offense minded team and getting back to our roots, we need a veteran to play a year and let our QBOTF sit for a bit. I think McNabb fits the best. He knows he isn’t going to start very much longer and he knows the West Coast Offense. He’s also a classy leader who could teach a rookie not only how to play the game but how to conduct himself like a professional.
+1
getting back to the west coast offense is what i’ve been saying for years now ..im not sure why we ever got away from it
by FortyNiner00 on Oct 26, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed...
I know a reason has to be because of the success of the WCO itself. The success created an immediate market for the coaches underneath Walsh and hence the long (and very successful) careers of Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren (keeping focus on offense for the sake of the WCO argument). This market pulled away the very thing that made it successful in the first place- a solid coaching staff that worked together. Reclaiming an identity like the West Coast Offense can be done but you need to bring someone back in with the knowledge of how it works. The coaches immediately available (Gruden, Cowher, etc) will not bring that knowledge.
Gruden actually would...
He worked for the 49ers early in his career, and was an assistant with Andy Reid, who runs WCO. He managed to work for Al Davis without losing a lot or going postal, so this organizational situation might not be too challenging. OTH, he doesn’t have a very good track record of working with or developing young players, which we’re awash in.
The answer to all our problems is Brian Westbrook
Use him and watch him turn a team around. He’s bailed out the Eagles from inept seasons on occasion.
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
Wildcat on every play
see, getting rid of M.Rob and Mike Spurlock was a huge mistake.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
and Arnaz Battle too?
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
Bring back Garcia and Mooch or Gruden.
Garcia still has a couple of years left in him. Get him as soon as his contract with the UFL is up in November.
Mooch took us 12-4 with a mediocre team so imagine what he could do with the level of talent we have. Gruden’s won a superbowl.
Draft a smart qaurterback who can throw deep accurately. Let him learn from Garcia for two years. By that time our rookies on the o-line will be solid and able to protect him.
Keep Johnson. His playcalling gets more creative each game, so I’d like to see where he goes.
The bend but don’t break has got to go. When the opposing team is driving sixty yards a possession, that is time that your offense is not on the field. It also wears out your defense.
That means get some top flight cornerbacks.
QB
Is just one of the prolems we have. Granted it is the biggest problem but I think with the experience the rookies on the line are getting and if Heitman ever comes back the QB, whoever it is next season, will do better.
Draft all the way. Those of you who are using the “Look what happened last time we drafted a QB in the 1st round” argument have a valid point. Drafting a QB so high is a crap shoot for sure but if you don’t go for it then we will never get a franchise QB. Franchise QB’s are only found in the draft. Rarely does a team get a QB from another team and suddenly that QB becomes great. It’s up to Baalke and company to decide if this years class of QB’s is worth such a high pick.
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
we have to atleast try and get a QB
something has to be done after 6 years of not doing anything.
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
by crumpedup15 on Oct 26, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
steve young, jeff garcia
young was drafted by tampa bay
garcia was not drafted
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Oct 27, 2010 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Rarely does a team get a QB from another team?
Drew Brees from San Diego
Matt Schaub from Atlanta
Matt Cassel from New England
Kyle Orton from Chicago
I won’t even get into the veteran FA’s such as McNabb and Favre.
People need to wake up to the realities of the modern NFL salary cap era. This isn’t the 1970’s/1980’s where every NFL team can afford to hold onto 2 quality NFL starters for a decade. Quality NFL starters move around all of the time.
The reason you see so many starting QB’s in the NFL who were drafted in the 1st round is because that team had little to no choice but to play that player after making such a huge investment. If the player can develop and become competent then they will stay around and grow into an NFL starter. If not, then you have Brady Quinn.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Oct 27, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Resign Troy Smith
None of those on the list besides Manning really jumped out at me. To be honest, I haven’t heard of most of the bottom half of them. But Troy seems legit. He lost his starting position to Flacco because he got sick. Flacco played well, so they stuck with him. Troy asked to be released when it was clear he wouldn’t have a chance to start in Baltimore.
I hope he gets a chance to prove his worth this season. But I don’t think it is going to happen. When Alex gets better, they will put him back in, for a meaningless season. Troy has potential, I want to see what he can do.
Oh, and draft a "future" QB to sit behind him
Maybe ask some high profile prior QB like Garcia or Young to come in and mentor them. QB coach or just QB consultant or something. The Yorks have deep pockets, they can make it happen.
New orders!
Order 1: Fire Singletary (sorry love you as a player, but barely like you as a HC)
Order 2: Hire Cowher, or Gruden, or Fisher, or Fox (in that order, whoever is available. We need a HC w/ success)
(Overall we need pieces all around and depth but obviously just focusing on QBs)
Order 3: Sign McNabb, or Collins, or Pennington, or Vick, or Gradkow, or Dixon (in that order, but preference more to the experienced veteran, than skills)
(If we keep the way we’re going, we will go 3-13 which would get us a top3 1st rounder.)
Order 4: Draft Andrew Luck, or Jake Locker. NOT Mallet (it is vital we get a QBOTF, that can learn properly through a good HC and experienced vet)
Locker in top 3 not seeming like a good deal
trade back a few spots and get an extra late 1st (those top 3 picks are worth a TON)
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
for instance
trading back from pick 3 to pick 10 yields the 18th pick in the draft as well…Locker and a top 3 or 4 CB…not a bad haul.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
yesss
good call. Luck i do see going top3. but Locker seems like a mid to late 1st round. While Mallet may just make the first round cut, or start out the 2nd rounds…
Mike Vick
Is th eonly guy worth considering on this list. Period. You want the fans back? You want a guy who can make a play? You want a reason to believe?
MIKE VICK! NINER!

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