Terrell Owens: Not in the top 100??
by ZivilynBane on Oct 28, 2010 10:36 PM PDT
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PrintI was very recently outraged when I realized that Terrell Owens was not included in the NFL Networks "Top 100 Greatest Players of All Time" list. I cannot fathom a legitimate reason as to why the #2 all time wide receiver in yards and #3 all time reception touchdowns isn't on the list. It is pure and utter disrespect on the part of the panelists.
There are a total of four Wide Receivers that have been named. They are:
65. Randy Moss
71. Paul Warfield
87. Crazylegs Hirsch
92. Michael Irvin
Now, there are only ten players left, and I think it's pretty safe to assume that only one of them will be a wide receiver..and that's Jerry Rice. I'm just going to put him at number one because I couldn't see it any other way.
1. Jerry rice
So we have five wide receivers. And before we go any further I would like to note that ALL five were first round draft picks. Terrell Owens was drafted by the 9ers in the third round. Well, you can't compare any WR ever to Jerry Rice, so lets not talk about him. Also Paul Warfield and Crazylegs Hirsch played in a different era than TO, so lets cross them off. So now we have Randy Moss and Michael Irvin. These guys are the guys that we will compare to TO and see if it was fair to leave TO out of the top 100.
Years - Owens: 15; Moss: 13; Irvin: 12 ADVANTAGE: Owens. 15 years in the league and he's still looking pretty darn good. 222 yards a couple of weeks ago, and he's on pace for his tenth 1,000+ receiving yard season.
Games/Starts - Owens: 211/196; Moss: 193/186; Irvin: 159/124 ADVANTAGE: Moss. Moss has started all but 7 games in his career, while Owens is out by 15. Irvin didn't hardly play much his first three seasons.
Receptions - Owens: 1046; Moss: 947; Irvin: 750 ADVANTAGE: Owens. Owens is fourth all time in receptions, behind Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, and Tim Brown. Owens will likely finish his career at #2 in this category.
Receiving Yards - Owens: 15,515; Moss: 14,770; Irvin: 11,904 ADVANTAGE: Owens. Number 2 all time in receiving yards. Moss is unlikely to catch him in this category this season, as TO is outperforming him every week.
Touchdowns - Owens: 150 (147 receiving, 3 rushing); Moss: 153; Irvin: 65. ADVANTAGE: Moss. This is a really close one between Owens and Moss. While Moss has two less years in the league than Owens, he still wins this category. Although when three years with Tom Brady nets you 47 TD catches....you're going to have an advantage.
Why are we still talking about Michael Irvin again? Oh yeah that's right...even though TO blows him out of the water in every single statistic, Irvin is still in the top 100 and TO is not. Ridiculous.
I want to end by saying that Terrell Owens is every bit as talented as Randy Moss, and even more so than Michael Irvin. And I want to take a stab at Moss by saying he has 15 fumbles to TO's 11, even though he's been in the league two less years to make them.
But the point of this is to find out what you guys think?? Does everybody else feel the way I do? Do you guys hate TO so much that you don't care about his accomplishments and that he is in all reality one of the greatest wide receivers of all time? Does his big mouth instantly take him out of the running for top 100? I honestly think that if it's a contest of skill, lets look at the skill. Post up with your thoughts please ^_^
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I voted...
Above Moss. In all honesty I think Moss is the better wide receiver, and that Owens should be on the list somewhere in the 80s. But I was pissed so I just voted above Moss lol.
I Disagree
Moss may have better hands than Owens, but Owens has never quit on a team. When he’s out there he does give 100 percent, not only that he doesn’t give up on routes, and Owens is so much more physical than Moss has ever been.
The clip that always plays in my mind when I think of Moss is the play in which there was a dump of pass to Wes Welker and Moss was supposed to block for him, but instead Moss ran away didn’t even attempt to block.
On Garrison Hearts’s 96 yard touchdown run against the Jets who was the receiver running down the field to get Hearst into the end zone, it was Owens. If it had been Moss, he’d be 50 yards down the field watching Hearst be tackled.
There’s the difference Owens is the better all-around receiver while Moss does have better hands, but I’ll take the all-around receiver over the guy with better hands.
Also, this year Owens has a total of 40 catches while Moss has 21. Owens is better than Moss.
Yeah, sure
…but Owens has never quit on a team.
And Jeff Garcia really is gay.
"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig
his suit agrees but his wife does not
by 49erLou on Oct 31, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
She is amazing
Gets the caveman in me wanting to club him over the head and carry her away.
Ya know, he's not here anymore because he quit on the 49ers.
Moss and Owens are both somewhat flawed. The headcase thing is even up. I put Moss over Owens because Moss doesn’t make as many ugly “an NFL-quality receiver should be expected to catch that” drops.
Huh?
He’s not here anymore because the team wouldn’t resign him.
Remember all those drops his last year in SF?
Some of them were deliberate. That, along with some serious loafing in practice and acting out, like the whole “Garcia is gay” thing, led to the team being unwilling to keep him. Not doing your best is as much quitting on the team as pulling a Michael Lewis, except that it’s a little more clever, because you don’t get sued for a piece of your signing bonus.
voted for option #2
i don’t think he’s as good as Randy Moss, but he should be in the top 100.
he should also be on the NN all-time Niners team. just want to throw that out there.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Oct 29, 2010 12:53 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
agree
about the all time niners team. rec’d
by SuspendingBJ on Oct 29, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
and there shouldn't be
John Taylor can’t hold a candle to Terrell Owens
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 30, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I voted Taylor
and I still would today. Taylor played his whole career in SF and did more then just play WR, he was also an excellent kick and punt returner and played on 3 SB teams. He also made the game winning catch in the 89 Super Bowl. Overall TO is a better WR for sure, but as a 49er, I’m gonna go with JT every time.
Playing on a super bowl team...
Doesn’t make you better. David Carr played on a super bowl team….
pretty sad that his mouth kept him off
DEFINATELY not his play. Also you forgot raymond berry and lance allworth (bambi) off your list. Think there might have been a few more too. I’ll admit it I watched the first season of the TO show and to find out dude grew up right across the street from his dad but could have no relationship with him cause his mom was just a side piece for his dad had to screw this guy up royally. It became clear to me why this guy has such a problem with authority and knowing his place on a team.
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cant forget about
Lynn Swann either. he should be on that list. Call me crazy but Largent was pretty dang good too
by SuspendingBJ on Oct 29, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
hmmm
Steve young went 81 and i wasnt too happy with that, but TO out of the top 100? i could care less.
I wonder who goes Higher? Joe Montana or Jerry? IMO it should be Joe but not gonna happen.
Jerry should be higher
reason being. When the topic of best QB of all time comes up what happens? I say its Montana but its always met with an argument. Honestly thats true for Most if not all positions in the game of football…. EXCEPT WR. when people talk about the greatest wr of all time they talk about jerry rice. No argument met when discussing this either. Jerry should be #1.
by SuspendingBJ on Oct 29, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
that's true.
there are only 3 positions in football with a consensus greatest-of-all-time:
WR Jerry Rice
OLB Lawrence Taylor
OT Anthony Munoz
if i had to guess at the top 3 on that list, i’d pick those 3 guys.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
John Elway, Dan Marino, Johnny Unitas...
this is only a partial list of Quarterbacks who would get several votes for G.O.A.T. in a non-Niners Nation poll.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Oct 30, 2010 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Dan Marino gets my vote
for most overrated QB in NFL history.
In 17 seasons in the NFL he only had 5 seasons where his completion percentage was above 60%, and two of those seasons were 60.7%.
His career average completion rate is 59.4% completion. This year Alex Smith’s completion rate is 59.1%. He threw 2 INTs for every 3 TDs which is pretty bad.
For most of Marino's career...
The Dolphins had no running game. Yet except for his last 2 years or so, when Marino really should have retired already, the Dolphins looked way better on offense than the 49ers look right now. Despite no mobility, Marino succeeded in avoiding a lot of sacks. He had a lot of yardage, and a lot of TDs. Do I think he was better than Montana? Well, no, but he was pretty good. If he’d played for a better team than Miami was putting on the field for most of the 80’s, he certainly could have won a championship.
They do not come close to Joe...............NOT EVEN CLOSE
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
you don't think those guys would get votes
for Greatest QB of All Time?
there is no consensus greatest QB of all time.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Montana
went to the Pro Bowl 8 times, 4-0 in Super Bowls, 3 time Super Bowl MVP, 2 time NFL MVP. In 4 Super Bowls combined he was 83-122 with 1,142 yards and 11 TD’s to 0 INT’s. What QB comes close to having stats like that? I’d say it’s fairly easy to make a case for Montana as the Greatest QB of all time.
i agree, Joe Montana is the greatest QB of all time.
but just because you and me think so doesn’t make it consensus.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
hmm...yeah, alright.
i guess that’s pretty consensus.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Oct 30, 2010 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Ronnie Lott never played strong safety for the 49ers.
The Raiders moved him there when they picked him up at the twilight of his career. He was a FS during his best years.
your opinion is wrong
Jerry is the greatest to ever play the game. Montana was as great a leader as there has ever been. But without Jerry the Montana legend never happens. 2 hall of fame QBs. 1 Hall of fame receiver that carried them both to the top of the sport.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 30, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Michael Irvin shouldn't even be on this list...
He was a good but not great receiver. He’s only in the HOF because of the success of his team.
Marvin Harrison
In my opinion was at least as good as Michael Irvin. I don’t think I’d put either of them in the top 100 though.
by ZivilynBane on Oct 29, 2010 11:11 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Why isn't J.J. Stokes on this list?
Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.
Just heard today that Owens was again voted amongst the most overrated players by his peers. It’s very unusual to have to disagree with players analysis of another player in their own sport, but frankly, I think this time it’s necessary.
Just goes to show how disliked Owens is. Also, there is a lot of envy there I imagine.
BTW – and I’ve pointed this out already – that top 100 players thing is a joke. They ranked Aikman one spot higher than Young. ’Nuff said.
Yeah it's a big joke
Steve Young only ranked 81st? that was enough to make me tune out the rest of the list.
T.O. definitely deserves a spot on the top 100. Without a doubt he’s one of the greatest WRs of all time, but his personality and his mouth have turned off just about everybody.
I think Young was done that way due to the amount of time he has played.
TO should be above Moss and moss is way too high.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Elway is way too high and Favre definitely is WAAAAAAYYYYY TO HIGH
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Respect
You gotta give Favre some respect though. Nobody in the history of the NFL goes out in the 19th year as a pro and play as good as he did last year. He is simultaneously good and bad at the same time.
by ZivilynBane on Oct 29, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Last game as a Packer.pick loses the big game. last game as a Jet pick to miss the playoffs
Last game of the season you speak of pick was his last throw………Do you see a pattern, he is most famous for the BIG PICK. When his team got it’s SB victory he played horrible and if not for the defense and the SB MVP which was a return man, he would not have a ring.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
That's what makes him overrated
and not deserving such a nice ranking. Turnovers have plagued his career!
Farve has the most impressive record in the history of sports.
Especially considering his style of play.
Consecutive games. His record is like Cal Ripkin’s plus half again of Lou Gehrig’s
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 30, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I gotta say
One of my most surprising is Tom Brady. I know it is because of the Superbowls, and he deserves to be on the list, but certainly not over Joe or even Steve.
For god sakes he is higher than Dan Marino, Troy Aikman, and John Elway? And none of them ever copied a 15 year old’s haircut.
my TOP 5
1.- Joe Montana (Like Mooch said he invented the comeback!)
2.- Jerry Rice
3.- Jim Brown
4.- Lawrence Taylor
5.- Reggie White
Lol Mooch...
They asked him a while ago who the greatest football player of all time was. He said Jerry Rice. Then right after that they asked him who the greatest 49er of all time was….he said Joe Montana. Then when he gave his top 5 players of all time he said in order Joe Montana, Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, Reggie White, Jim Thorpe. lol…he’s all over the place.
So was this based on skill or combo of skill + contribution to team
TO has top 100 skill, but bottom 100 team contribution. He caused way too much drama in the locker room. Top 100 should go to good players/good teammates. It is a team sport afterall.
Dumb analysis
You give Owens credit for having more yards and receptions, but … he’s played more years. He should have more yards and receptions.
Owens was good, but he was never game-planned for by opposing teams the way Moss, at his peak, was. Moss truly changed the way teams played defense against him. Witness the difference in the Pats offense pre- Moss vs. after his arrival.
Owens was never that dominant. To the extent that you can argue that Owens was /ever/ the best WR in the league, it was in a “first among equals” way – a lot of good receivers, maybe he’s the best. When Moss was on top of his game, nobody else was close.
Irvin gets bonus points for being the #1 receiver on a dynasty and winning multiple super bowls. That has to count for something.
The only argument for Owens over Moss is that he made Moss look level-headed in comparison.
Dumb analysis?
You’re kidding. Brett Favre is number 20 on that list. That’s higher than Tom Brady, Jon Elway, Dan Marino, Troy Aikman, and Steve Young. He’s not even on the same level as any of those quarterbacks…but he’s higher on the list because he’s played for 20 years. Being talented and being talented for a long time are just as important. The fact that Terrell Owens is making plays NOW just like he did 12 years ago is more than enough statement. Of course TO has more yards, receptions, and (now) touchdowns than the others not only because he’s played longer but because he’s played at a high level for a long time that only ONE receiver has ever surpassed. The simple fact that you don’t think longevity is important makes me question your judgement.
Oh and while we’re at it, lets go ahead and throw Terrell Owens on a team with Tom Brady and we’ll see how much the other teams are “game-planning” for him. Trust me…TO is catching passes from Carson Palmer and teams FEAR him. He tore apart PITTSBURGH just last week, the number one overall defense over the last decade.
You’re trying to make it sound like Randy Moss changed the entire way football was played, and I’m sorry you’re wrong. Only one wide receiver has ever made that sort of an impact on the game itself in the last 30 years and that man is Jerry Rice. Moss is good…TO is just as good. And right now TO is having a career year that I doubt Moss will match in his remaining years in the league.
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