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College Football Gameday Thread: Week 9


It may not be the most illustrious game on the docket today, but it could be the most prestigious. #13 Stanford heads in to Washington sitting at 6-1 record while Washington has struggled to stay above .500. But that is not the intrigue of this game. Eyes will be focused on both starting quarterbacks, Andrew Luck and Jake Locker as this has all the makings of a heavy-weight title fight. Both quarterbacks are considered to be top NFL prospects at their respective positions. Highlighted below are both quarterbacks statistics thus far...

Andrew Luck (6'4", 235 LBS - Junior)

2010

Rating: 165.43

Attempts: 200

Completions: 133

Completion Percentage: 66.5%

Yards: 1728

YPA: 8.64

Longest: 81 Yards

Touchdowns: 19

Interceptions: 5

Sacked: 5

 

Jake Locker (6'3", 230 LBS - Senior)

2010

Rating: 131.37

Attempts: 232

Completions: 131

Completion Percentage: 56.5%

Yards: 1614

YPA: 6.96

Longest: 57 Yards

Touchdowns: 14

Interceptions: 4

Sacked: 12

It seems pretty clear that Luck has Locker in just about every statistical category. Some folks have gone on to speculate that Locker doesn't have the same supporting cast that Luck has at Stanford. Whether that's true or not is irrelevant. If you look at the mechanics, accuracy and moxie of both quarterbacks, it seems that Luck would have the edge there as well. While Locker is sometimes quick to jump out of the pocket and run before he has to, Luck studies the field before he instinctually makes any moves. Locker is however, the better all around athlete of the two and can flat out fly when need be. Do not be surprised if he breaks off one or two touchdowns, or long runs using his legs. Since the game is being played on Washington's home turf, this one should be very intriguing even if it winds up being a one-sided game. Heading in to the season, these two, amongst most pundits were considered to be the top two at their position. We will see today how accurate those estimations were. The game will kickoff at 7pm EST.

There is a few more interesting matchups this afternoon that will be highlighted after the jump.

Star-divide

QUICK RECAP

Another one bites the dust...and another one, and another one, and anoth... well you get the point; that has been the theme for the last few weeks. The #1 ranked Sooners bit the dust last week against the Missouri Tigers who just flat out played a better, smarter game. That marked the third straight week that an unbeaten #1 has gone down following Alabama's loss to the Gamecocks in week 6 and Ohio State's loss to Wisconsin in week 7. As far as the BCS  is concerened, Auburn is now ranked #1 in the nation although it seems as though Oregon has earned the right to that spot. Ole Miss may have what it takes to upset another #1 this week as they take on Cam Newton and the rest of the Tigers though. Is it possible? If the theme continues, the last three weeks would suggest, "yes" to that.

TODAY'S BIG MATCHUPS

#5 Michigan State vs. #18 Iowa

Besides Stanford at Washington, this could be the most anticipated game of the week. There will be two more very talented quarterbacks in this one. Kirk Cousins and Ricky Stanzi are regarded pretty high up on most boards to date. Cousins has exceeded most peoples expectations this year. He has been supported by a very solid ground game which has, and will continue to take some of the load off. The defense has had it's ups and downs but Greg Jones may be able to rally the troops just enough to eek out the win. Cornerback Chris Rucker, who was pulled over recently on suspicion of a DUI traveled to Iowa with the team this week; it's uncertain if he will suit up yet but I suspect he will. Ricky Stanzi has had the support of his running backs as well and has made it easier for the Senior quarterback to focus on making good plays. His big play guy Marvin McNutt will have to play above par if they want to smooth sail over the Spartans. The defense will be led by Adrian Clayborn and Tyler Sash, both of which are regarded as top pro prospects to enter the draft next year.

#6 Missouri vs. #14 Nebraska

Missouri quarterback, Blaine Gabbert bumped his draft stock up quite a bit last week with a moving performance against a stout Sooners defense. If he can string together another solid game against a defense like Nebraska's, he will indefinitely rise in to the top five prospects at the quarterback position; possibly even supassing Jake Locker and Ryan Mallett for the number two overall spot behind Luck depending on how well he does. I won't get too far ahead of myself but I have really liked what I've seen from the 6'5", 235 LB Junior quarterback. Who knows, he may even stay another year to try and earn a top-two spot for the 2012 NFL Draft. Either way, he's played great football in games that have counted up to this point. Nebraska has it's own talent at the quarterback position as well and has seemed to emerge out of nowhere. Taylor Martinez has grown up in a hurry and has proved to have big-time playmaker ability. We could be looking at the next Michael Vick potentially. It will be interesting to say the least to see how this one pans out. There's no shortage of pro-caliber-talent in this game today.

#1 Auburn vs. Mississippi

Cam Newton...ahhhh...the joys of a running back playing the quarterback position.

All jokes aside, Newton is an incredible athlete with a not-so-great work ethic ala Jamarcus Russell. He rely's solely on his athletic ability to get him by week to week and so far it's worked because it's looking more and more like he is the front runner for the Heisman Trophy. LaMichael James and Denard Robinson are there breathing down his neck though. With 6 more weeks left in the season, it still may be too early to call. The Tigers should not overlook the Rebels in this one because even though Jermiah Masoli has had a rough road this year following everything that happened while he was at Oregon, he is still a gamer. Mississippi is ranked 19th in the nation in rushing, so we should see no shortage of running the ball on both sides today. Who's front seven is ready for the challenge? And will we see another unbeaten #1 ranked team bite the dust once again in week 9 in this SEC showdown? Does Auburn really deserve the #1 spot? All these questions will be answered by the end of the day.

#13 Stanford vs. Washington

As highlighted above, this game may be bigger than Stanford vs. Washington this evening. Andrew Luck vs. Jake Locker will hold most of the focus. It's quite possible that Sarkisian can coach his way past Stanford but last year when these two met, Stanford upset the then #24 ranked Washington Huskies. However, it was all Toby Gerhart as he ran for 200 yards on a less than stellar Huskie defense and Andrew Luck only went 7 for 14 with 103 yards. Jake Locker didn't have the best game either as his completion percentage was barely above 50%. He had 2 interceptions and only 1 touchdown pass in the loss. I suspect that the numbers for both QB's will be much improved as a lot more is riding on both their shoulders this year. Every move by both these guys will be watched with an eagle eye. Plenty of pro scouts will be in attendance for what could turn out to be a barn burner.

#2 Oregon vs. USC

Oregon may just have too much fire power on offense for the Trojans to keep up. Matt Barkley will have to have a spectacular, nearly flawless game just to stay on pace. Running back, LaMichael James is considered to be a top 5 Heisman candidate and rightfully so. When this kid puts the pads on, he turns in to bolt of lightning with thunder that follows. There is no question (barring major injury of course), that this young phenom will be playing for a long time on Sunday's. Darron Thomas is just as exciting to watch for the Ducks as James. Together they create enormous headaches for opposing defensive coordinators to game plan for. Southern Cal has been getting better and better each week on the defensive side of the ball but they could just be outmatched in this one. But do not be surprised if somehow, someway they pull off the miracle in the always mystical Los Angeles Colesium this evening.

 

Well that does it for Week 9... enjoy the games today!

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Andrew Luck
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Jake Locker
30 votes

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Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

You can’t even argue that Locker has a better surporting cast than Luck.

by manraj7 on Oct 30, 2010 8:49 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Really?

Who on Stanford’s offense is THAT much better than what Washington has? Top RB’s on both teams, Stefan Taylor and Chris Polk are almost indentical in stats. Top WR Jermain Kearse for Washington actually has a ton more receptions than Stanford’s top WR in Baldwin. I don’t know what you’re watching or seeing that everbody else is not but I’d say this falls under the 50% of the time category that we talked about the other day.

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on Oct 30, 2010 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

If anything Locker has the better supporting cast.

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on Oct 30, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

But I would go as far and say that they are pretty even at this point.

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on Oct 30, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Look at the O-lines

12 sacks to 5 and I’m sure if you watch the game today you’ll see Locker under a lot more pressure than Luck.

by manraj7 on Oct 30, 2010 9:06 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

You will see the diiference in their pocket presence today and just general play. It may not be night and day but it is at the least dusk and night…I don’t want a mediocre quarterback next year. I am tired of mediocre quarterbacks. Luck is the only QB this year possibly worthy to start right away. Anyone else may be a project. Although if Blaine Gabbert keeps it up, he may surpass both Mallett and Locker for that number two. Watch him if you can today against Nebraska. Don’t knoiw if you were able to catch him last week but the kid is good!

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on Oct 30, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

thats not true, but Luck is a better QB.

by Xan101 on Oct 30, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

*50% of the time being wrong category that is

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on Oct 30, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I may actually watch a College game this year

Thanks for the reminder, it will be interesting to see these two go at it in the same game. How do those who are watching these guys regularly rate them versus Sam Bradford? He looks like he has got “it” and is going to be a franchise QB for the Rams.

by suffrin9erfan on Oct 30, 2010 9:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks Drew. Great post. Now I know what to pay attention to today!

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Oct 30, 2010 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

SPARTA MUST FALL!

GO HAWKEYES!

"It's something I think about on a day to day basis: These Colors Don't Run. Love it or leave it USA #1!"-Ricky Stanzi Iowa QB and Patriot
Blindly Optimistic follower of The Iowa Hawkeyes, San Francisco 49ers, and the Charlotte Bobcats.

by HAWKEYESBABY on Oct 30, 2010 11:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Indeed

"I don't know what feels worse than an interception... I don't know... Probably someone burning an American flag would hurt a little more, inside, than an interception. I don't know man, that'd be pretty bad." - Ricky Stanzi

by Haggardninja on Oct 30, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Cardinal has a better O Line

I expect Luck to have a better game., although the Huskies could pull off a win because of Stanford’s woeful pass defense. Barring bad weather, it should be a high scoring game.

Last month there was a long and interesting conversation with Harbaugh on Sports Byline. Harbaugh described what he looks for in a QB when recruiting. Aside from the standard stuff about accuracy, confidence, etc, he mentioned he likes QBs who can make things happen when the play is breaking down and chaos reigns around them. Luck is one such QB and that’s why is also the most NFL-ready

by Mood_Indigo on Oct 30, 2010 3:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Ability to improvise

Yep all great QBs have one of two great attributes: gunslinger arm (Marino, Favre, etc) or ability to improvise on their feet (Montana, Tarkenton, etc). Should be noted that Elway had a whole lot of both.

by bignerd on Oct 30, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Luck's supporting cast is dominating that of Locker

Both offense and defense, regardless of prior stats.

by fasupala on Oct 30, 2010 4:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Stanford game going as expected

Washington’s defense is 98th in the country for a reason.

This should be a blowout.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 4:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice warm up for the Oregon/USC game though

Will be interesting to see if Barkley can move the ball against Oregon

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously

Locker’s been sacked like 5 times in the first quarter. I feel kinda bad for the guy.

by See Jay on Oct 30, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

And Luck has a lot of time

while their running game is pushing the D anyway they want to

by fasupala on Oct 30, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats because

Stanford is going 2 TE and FB on most plays. That plus their elite offensive line allows them to just power run and play action. Washington doesn’t have the defense to compete. Their D is terrible and they are playing absurdly soft in coverage

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Washington's o-line...

makes our guys look like perennial all-pros. Locker’s getting blasted 2-3 times a drive out there and NEVER has time to throw.

by See Jay on Oct 30, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thats why he will be good

Dude will be like whats with the time?

by manraj7 on Oct 30, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

can't say will he be good or bad

at the moment dead or alive is the right question, he’s running for his life everydown.

by fasupala on Oct 30, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno man

No QB is good with no time. I want to see more of him with more than 0.5 sec to throw.

by See Jay on Oct 30, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

He won’t know what to do with time…

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on Oct 30, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

Think too much and throw a pick 6 or something

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on Oct 31, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even though Luck has a great o-line

he’s been incredibly good this game. That throw on the run earlier in this last drive was very, very impressive.

by smileyman on Oct 30, 2010 5:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Agree

But many other QB’s have been awesome behind good O-line’s, I just haven’t seen what sets him that much apart from the other QB’s.

On another note, Cam Newton has been slinging and receiving rather than rushing today, i’m impressed for now.

by fasupala on Oct 30, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

What sets him apart

Is mostly decision making and pocket presence.

Also, Cam Newton has a better arm than most give him credit for. I think he has better NFL potential than Tebow.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's made several across the body throws on the run.

Very impressive. One of them hit his man in the hands, but the guy dropped it.

by See Jay on Oct 30, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most of Luck's big plays

Come on bootlegs or roll outs.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Watching Stanford

makes me think of the kind of team the Niners wish they were. Power running and crisp passing. I like it.

by See Jay on Oct 30, 2010 5:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Hmmm, that throw was like twice the length

of any throw Luck has attempted in this game.

by See Jay on Oct 30, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its true

Luck doesn’t throw deep very often

by manraj7 on Oct 30, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Essentially my key complaint

When talking #1 overall. I still see a great game manager. He would definitely help a bad NFL team from day one, but I’d like to see him forced to make reads downfield, read off to more players in the intermediate to deep areas of the field, and make plays in obvious passing situations.

He’s been the beneficiary of playing in a great system where he is never FORCED to pass. It’s not necessarily a knock on him, just an unknown at this point. Thats why I say he’s never truly carried his team on his back like most other 1st round QB picks in the draft.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we decide to go QB with our first pick then i'm all for Luck

However, when I look at this QB class I don’t see as much upside in Luck as with Stafford and Bradford and less of a drop-off to the second tier QB’s. I think any QB from this draft has to spend one year learning in the NFL, and for that reason I see really good options potentially available later.

by fasupala on Oct 30, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same here I don't like any of the QBs either

but I don’t like any QBs coming out in next years either

by manraj7 on Oct 30, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends

On whether Mallett returns to school and Barkley declares early.

Mallett as a senior with another year of experience and Barkley coming out as a junior is a better class than Luck and Locker in my opinion.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%

That’s essentially what I’ve been saying here and people have championed Luck as one of the best QB prospects of all-time which is kind of absurd to me.

I do think Luck could step in from day one though without waiting a year. That’s why his value is so high. He can manage a game better than most college QB’s in recent memory. He’s not going to make many big plays in the NFL, but Vernon Davis and Frank Gore would be happy with all of the short throws and he shouldn’t throw too many INTs.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've seen John Elway comps here

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't remember but one of those NFL draft threads/fanposts

Not to mention the claim that he was on par with Sam Bradford, who is flat out the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol bradford isnt even as good as stafford... who came a year earlier imo

he’s performing brilliantly for the Rams, but he is no way as good a prospect as stafford

by TeeKay89 on Oct 30, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Stafford

Better vertical QB. Bradford is better in any other system.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

That’s the same thing with Mallett this year. Any vertical team that picks him is going to make Mallett look great.

I personally think the Vikings and Mallett are a match made in heaven if they retain Randy Moss.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dont agree :) at all

if you watch stafford, then you would know he has all the tools to make every throw in the book easily. bradford struggles with the deep pass sometimes

by TeeKay89 on Oct 30, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Both are excellent/elite QB prospects

The only reason I like Bradford more is that he’s the most accurate QB I’ve seen since Manning. Accurate in all zones of the field, not just short.

And both of these guys are what make me not think of Luck, Locker, or Mallett as #1 overall picks. None of these guys compare IMO to Bradford or Stafford.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Bradford’s accuracy is what’s so incredibly amazing about him.

by smileyman on Oct 30, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

i agree with this entirely, i'm not convinced by any of the QBs in this class.

i am convinced that prince, and peterson (even more so), will be shut-down corners in the NFL

by TeeKay89 on Oct 30, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

sanchez?

IMO, Stafford > Bradford > Freeman > Sanchez > Ryan

by TeeKay89 on Oct 30, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mmmm

Bradford > Ryan > Sanchez > Stafford > Freeman

I think I will win this Stafford debate. Kids been injured twice both years as a pro. That’s not a good sign for his career. He might be better but at this rate we are never going to see it.

by bignerd on Oct 30, 2010 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm basing my ratings on skill level right now

yeah Stafford might end up with a very short career, but I think his skill level is far better than Sanchez or Ryan

by smileyman on Oct 30, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I think Stafford is better than Sanchez.

IMO it goes Bradford > Stafford > Sanchez

by smileyman on Oct 30, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

More like

Bradford > Stafford > Ryan > Flacco > Sanchez

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

No problem

Stafford is better than Sanchez when healthy.

by manraj7 on Oct 30, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope

I liked Sanchez better coming out of the draft. I don’t have a high opinion of Schottenheimer at OC. Rex Ryan limits his offense more than Mike Singletary. Sanchez has been throwing to constant drops Braylon Edwards and dink pass Cotchery. Now that Holmes is back Sanchez can start to do some damage, well for the three plays he’s given each game.

by bignerd on Oct 30, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

well when he was throwing more regularly,

he was throwing picks left, right and centre. This way his numbers have been hugely inflated by constant bootlegs and play-action passes

by TeeKay89 on Oct 30, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Come on

He had a bad stretch of games at the mid point of his rookie season.

Lets not forget he started out well, played great in the playoffs and has continued to play well this season. He’s been mostly productive for the Jets.

by bignerd on Oct 30, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

They have a great run game which helps him a lot

Put Stafford behind that line and they would be soo much more explosive. Besides if Stafford had a decent line he wouldn’t be injured so much.

by manraj7 on Oct 30, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think just the Stanford connection and being a possible #1 pick

Not to mention there are rumors he’d refuse to play for a team like Buffalo ala Elway.

by bignerd on Oct 30, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's what we need too

A guy to manage things well. It’s nice that Luck plays in a run-first system, because if we draft him, we (depending on coaching turnover) are a run-first team too. He could excel in our current system.

by See Jay on Oct 30, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except

He needs a coordinator who can provide that kind of 22 offensive scheme. Luck with 2 good TE’s (Davis and Walker), a great power running game (Gore), and a receiving FB (to be identified at a later date) would work VERY well even from day one.

What would not work well IMO is our defense consistently making him play from behind and putting him in passing situations. That’s actually an area where Alex Smith has excelled. He just can’t manage a game to save his life. And believe me, our defense will be terrible next year if needs are not addressed.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Stanford FB is a senior

I wonder what round he projects to? We could pick him up, too. No moar Moran Norris please.

by See Jay on Oct 30, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe so

but I still think he lacks upside as a pass catcher.

Stanford’s guy is excellent and projects to the 5th round, an easy grab.

by See Jay on Oct 30, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Marecic

Will easily go in the 3rd/4th. He’s a good LB prospect as well which makes him an instant special teams master.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol one of the best ever?

im still not convined. if we are drafting in the top 3, i still believe it is best if we trade back and take a CB and a DE

by TeeKay89 on Oct 30, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you are ready to much into that

I’ve watched Tom Brady his entire career, it took until 2007 before it appeared he was carry his team. Truth is he’s so efficient and effortless in running an offense it never looked like he was carrying the Patriots all those years.

by bignerd on Oct 30, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes but great game managing did not make Brady a first overall pick.

Projecting a QB to go first overall because of game managing attributes is a A.Smithe-sque risk. There are so many game managers that are great. You can’t measure the qualities of Tom Brady from watching college tape.

by fasupala on Oct 30, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

You could

But Brady was constantly benched in college for another QB with sexier attributes (a lot like Montana’s past).

I think another thing not being brought up is it’s harder to throw out of a pro formation compared to a wide open offense. Less receiving targets, more footwork, less big opportunities. I think that is why I see Sanchez and Ryan differently than the rest of you.

by bignerd on Oct 30, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

neither Detroit nor St. Louis

really go with with the wide open offense. Maybe more so than the Rams, but the Falcons throw it as much as the Lions do.

Bradford probably throws it more than any of the young QBs in the league right now

by smileyman on Oct 30, 2010 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's been really hard to evaluate Stafford

Even when he does play its for the Lions, meaning he’s mostly been throwing while the Lions have been down three scores.

I still prefer my rankings but I know that doesn’t surprise anyone.

by bignerd on Oct 30, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you about Bradford

just not convinced that Sanchez is better than Stafford.

by smileyman on Oct 30, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's harder to throw out of a pro formation?

I’m calling BS on that one. It’s harder to throw short into the middle of the field out of a pro formation. It’s much easier to throw downfield and to the outside of the hash marks because the defense is forced to bring 7-8 men into the box.

Pro offenses generally feature lower completion percentages, but that is not a reflection of how easy it is to pass from the formation. It is a reflection of the different routes which are run by WR’s. Pro offenses feature ins/outs, posts, corner routes. Wide open spread offenses feature a lot of screens and quick slants.

It’s also much easier to throw when your offense is built around a power running game. Defenses are not game planning for the pass primarily. Wide open offenses must beat a defense which is expecting the pass.

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with this

However to be effective the QB in the pro formation he has hit the few deep opportunities provided or the defense puts the clamps on the rest of the offense, why it’s important your QB is good enough to hit a percentage of those throws.

It seems pro formation QBs have always been able to transition into a wide more open offense than QBs going from wide open to pro.

by bignerd on Oct 30, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

oops

high percentage of those throws

by bignerd on Oct 30, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....

by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ouch.

Locker smooshed again.

by See Jay on Oct 30, 2010 5:11 PM PDT reply actions  

That was last year

lot can happen in 12 months especially with the threat of a rookie hard cap

by smileyman on Oct 30, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno man

Most of his offensive linemen are seniors — big risk sticking around, since he’ll likely take a Locker-esque drop (I predict Locker drops pretty badly if Luck comes out).

by See Jay on Oct 30, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Washington could be ruining his career this season

He already seems shell shocked at times from the amount of hits.

by bignerd on Oct 30, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

What is with everyone wearing the Forrest Gump leg braces?

by bignerd on Oct 30, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

protect the knees

I have one but thats because I tore a ligament and need it to be safe when I play a sport.

by manraj7 on Oct 30, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen games with the entire Washington offensive line wearing them.

by bignerd on Oct 30, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Protect the knees

Still helps. Will make the knees not pop and lock.

by manraj7 on Oct 30, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

How stupid is he feeling right about now?

when he could be enjoying his millions while running for his life instead of being a pauper and running for his life?

by smileyman on Oct 30, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol do you think rams would have selected him over bradford?

if not where do you think he would have ended up? clausen did fall quite significantly

by TeeKay89 on Oct 30, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Possible

It’s likely Bradford would have been more dismissed as injury prone (a risk). Since there wasn’t a QB to challenge his top tier status the Rams waited it out until he proved himself in some great workouts.

by bignerd on Oct 30, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the Browns would've picked Locker

I think the Rams wanted Bradford from the very beginning.

by smileyman on Oct 30, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

who knows

maybe we would have selected him with the 17th pick – as more of a value pick i mean

by TeeKay89 on Oct 30, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Locker would have at least got picked by Redskins

McNabb wasn’t traded for until after the Rams made it clear they were drafting Bradford and Shanahan had a looked at Clausen.

by bignerd on Oct 30, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

We wouldn't have

we were always going to be getting two linemen in the first. I actually think that was a big contributer to McC being shown the door.

by smileyman on Oct 30, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah and 2 o-lineman was a very wise choice

considerin how poor the o-line draft is this year

by TeeKay89 on Oct 30, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

And if Alex Failed

At leats the 49ers already had some blockers on the team to protect the next young franchise QB.

by bignerd on Oct 30, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

He should have been shown the door after signing David Carr. Carr even tried to help walking away from his press conference.

by bignerd on Oct 30, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Time for the real game in the Pac-10

USC gets ball first. Barkley has a chance to cement his top 5 pick status next year with this game.

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by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:13 PM PDT reply actions  

eh

it was a great defensive play. not a bad pass by Luck

by smileyman on Oct 30, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mallett would have thrown it better

of course Malett’s deep ball are one of the best I have ever seen

by manraj7 on Oct 30, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't think so

it wasn’t a bad pass by any means. Maybe not as good as it could’ve been but not bad.

by smileyman on Oct 30, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree

The defender made the play, but it was catchable otherwise.

by See Jay on Oct 30, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

most of his deep ones do

He can work on it, but that’s not gonna fly in the NFL as I’ve said repeatedly

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by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's something that can be worked on and corrected fairly easily

decision making and poise like he has can’t be taught.

I also know that I don’t want Locker at all.

by smileyman on Oct 30, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know anyone who wants Locker

I also don’t know why he’s the 2nd QB on anyone’s draft board

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by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well I like the fact that Locker can be available for draft pick change

while Luck will require a top10 pick. Locker in second or third, rather than Luck top 10, because im not seeing Locker going first after the year is over, nothing to show except workouts and the ability to absorb a beating

by fasupala on Oct 30, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

which is what I'm hoping for if he declares

Mallett in the 2nd is a steal as a project QB to sit behind a veteran for a year or two.

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by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

and turn into derek anderson,

which i think he will unfortunately.
I say we pick defense defense defense in the first 4 rounds.

by TeeKay89 on Oct 30, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Naah...

I like a high upside QB pick up in the 2-4 range

by fasupala on Oct 30, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

or Mallet, Newton (not in 2nd), etc. anyone our staff feels confident

they can develop. If we want an answer of the future that pays dividens, go trade or free agency.

by fasupala on Oct 30, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want Kellen Moore

but I think he’s an underclassman.

by See Jay on Oct 30, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

You think so?

He’s a front runner for the Heisman… not too many Heisman winners go undrafted.

by See Jay on Oct 30, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Boise QB?

He’s 5’11’’ and supposedly he has a bad arm. I love that kid great leader and finds a way to win

by manraj7 on Oct 30, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

he's competitive that's for sure.

If he goes in the mid-range or lower I think he will have work ethic to prove himself in the next level. If the Raider’s give him 30 milion upfront, then he might start slacking

by fasupala on Oct 30, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Moore?

I haven’t heard anyone talkign about him for a heisman

by smileyman on Oct 30, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

well if they are that confident after his workouts...

and I don’t mind because I don’t see this draft as having clear first rounders and late rounders, I feel this draft is stacked with great potential projects in the QB department. Love our two 4’s and 6’s, but not confident in our QB scouting or developing department, wonder why

by fasupala on Oct 30, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

THAT

was a dumb decision.

Throw a bomb into THREE MAN COVERAGE?

Ugh.

by See Jay on Oct 30, 2010 5:21 PM PDT reply actions  

A HAIL MARY

and its picked off. Meh can’t blame him for that

by manraj7 on Oct 30, 2010 5:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Robert Griffin

13-17, 174 yds, TD against a Texas team with two 1st/2nd round graded CB’s.

Hopefully this game makes it to espn360.

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by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Love the III behind his name

Wish i’dd have one, actually I might add a ‘first’, it would give a nice egoistic ring to it.

by fasupala on Oct 30, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

I have a II behind mine although I rarely use it.

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by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

Redshirt sophomore

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by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want him

Like the cookie monster wants cookies

by manraj7 on Oct 30, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

ditto

Maybe in 2013 we won’t need a QB though.

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by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

never say never

The Alex Smith project seems to have a few excuses left :D

by fasupala on Oct 30, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Locker

And another terrible throw. I ask again why he’s the #2 QB on anyone’s board

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by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:50 PM PDT reply actions  

While Mallett

has 259 yards in the first half against Vandy.

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by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Locker shouldn't go first round,

but not sure any QB has yet really shown 1st overall credentials

by fasupala on Oct 30, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Horrible throw

and once again i’ll say his athletic ability

by manraj7 on Oct 30, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wish, but it's easy to make your own

Find total passing yardage for a QB, subtract combined YAC for all receivers and that’s the QB’s yards per throw in the air.

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by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I left out

Divide by completions or attempts

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by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Although

I don’t know where YAC is posted for WR’s

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by youALREADYknow on Oct 30, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

nice of Michigan St

to show up against my freakin HAWKEYES! ANOTHER week with NO int’s for my boy the great patriot Ricky Stanzi.

"It's something I think about on a day to day basis: These Colors Don't Run. Love it or leave it USA #1!"-Ricky Stanzi Iowa QB and Patriot
Blindly Optimistic follower of The Iowa Hawkeyes, San Francisco 49ers, and the Charlotte Bobcats.

by HAWKEYESBABY on Oct 30, 2010 6:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Just saw recap

Notre Dame did a patent ‘49ers2010’ move and shot themselves in the leg for an epic loss.

by fasupala on Oct 30, 2010 7:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Andrew Luck is the real deal

That is all.

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on Oct 30, 2010 7:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Naa

Peyton Manning was the real deal. Luck does not = Manning therefore Luck is not the real deal.

Plus his deep balls hang like a…

by manraj7 on Oct 30, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are tripin'

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on Oct 31, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

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