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Fire Mike Singletary!

Yeah, that makes sense.  Not really.  It's kind of laughable to me that it's even been discussed by some.  Here's why:

1.  Great Expectations:  

Have the 49ers underachieved?  Absolutely.  However the season is 16, not 4 games long.  Right?  Also this:  I've emailed clowns like Ann Killion, Lowell Cohn and others in the media asking a simple question.  I'm still waiting for my first reply back from any of them.

Here's the question:  "If you're gonna bash Mike Singletary like you're doing  for failing to live up to expectations in 2010, don't you then have to credit MS for considerably raising those expectations?"   I mean, who is the real Mike Singletary? 

Is he the one that took over a mostly directionless team that never reached .500 under Mike Nolan;  the one who went into his second full season as HC at over .500 (13-12).  Is he the one whose team many now felt had been improved enough by him to finally win the NFC  West again.  That Mike Singletary? 

Or is he the one that has gotten off to a real, real slow start so far after four games in 2010. 

The one after his first 25 games?  Or the one after his last 4?   I'm going with 25 here.

They have so far underachieved in 2010.  However, Singletary's coaching abilities had much to do with greatly raising the expectations of this team going into 2010. 

BTW:  Mike Nolan was .327 in his 55 games in SF.  To put that into context Mike Singletary would have to go 0-16 this season to basically match him percentage wise (he'd then be at .317).

 

2. Discipline/Stupidity

What about the lack of discipline?  The stupid plays? 

The 49ers currently have committed 25 penalities.  Mike McCarthy is the best HC in the NFC North.   On a Monday night against the Bears his Packers committed 18 penalties (plus a million mental mistakes).  In one game his team made 75% of the total number of penalties the 49ers have made in four games.

The 49ers are ranked 16th in the NFL in penalties, exactly halfway down the list.  Players make penalties sometimes.  That's life in the NFL.

What about Nate Clements?   Yeah, he blew that play cause the 49ers coaches don't spend enough time on situations like that.  Right?  Come on man.  He's played in the NFL forever.   The fact of the matter is this:  He shouldn't have gone down right away.  If he did the Falcons could've gotten the ball back with over a minute left on the clock (unless SF made a first down).  He had a wide open field ahead of him.  He was heading towards the sidelines/endzone.  His mistake was in not securing the ball.  He should've held that ball like it was his 80 million dollar check, not like a loaf of bread.  He didn't and the team paid a huge price for it. 

He was trying to make a play to ice the game and got careless with the ball.  Not condoning it.   Just sayin'.  Criticizing the coaches for that is laughable.  Coaches can only do so much on Sundays.

What about Alex Smith throwing the ball away on that intentional grounding play or on that INT to Gore?  A few weeks ago Eli Manning (who was the highest paid QB in NFL history last season) threw a left-handed jump ball at the goalline into three defenders, one of whom intercepted the ball.

We all know Eli's pedigree.  Pretty smart QB, right?  Yet he made an idiotic play.  The fact of the matter is that most QB's NOT named Peyton or Brady sometimes made foolish mistakes in the heat of battle trying to make a play for their team.  Sorry, it sometimes happens.  Not good but it happens all over the league, not just in SF.

Again, I know many find it hard to believe but penalties and stupid plays happen all over the NFL, not just in SF.  Not condoning it.   Just sayin'.

 

3.  Inexperience/Non-Coordinator/X's & O's

Briefly let's look at the 3-0 K.C. Chiefs.  They put on a clinic in outcoaching the 49ers in week three.  As bad as I've ever seen:  Manusky should've been embarassed.  Raye paid for it with his job.  It sometimes happens in the NFL however (though usually not that badly I'll concede).

Still:  The 49ers have played three of last years 'Final Four' teams recently (Colts, Vikings and Saints).  By definition three of the best teams in the NFL last year.  Yes they lost all three games but they weren't outcoached in any of them.  Not at all.  All those games went down to the wire with the 49ers having a chance to win each game.  They gave those (better) teams all they could handle.

It's not like these guys are idiots, no matter how much some believe that to be the case.

Let's now look at Todd Haley.   Like Singletary a first time HC in his second season.  Haley is a former coordinator (unlike Singletary).   Haley is on his third OC so far in K.C. (Chan Gailey, himself and now Charlie Weis).

Not exactly the picture of stability. Three OC's by his second season?  Seems to be working now, though.  Right?  Third times the charm.  Of course he was basically told this after last year by Scott Pioli:  "Do you wanna be the HC or the OC?"  Cause it's hard to do both for the most part.   He was told that as HC you are needed to manage the entire team, not just fiddle with the offense. " Which one is it Todd?"

(And yes, Bill Walsh had a dominating offense as HC/OC.  Buddy Ryan had a dominating defense as HC/DC in Philadelphia.  Currently his son Rex is doing the same in NY.  Sean Payton has a great offense as HC/OC - though one wonders just how great it would be if Drew Brees hadn't fallen into his lap.  It's certainly possible to do both and do them very well.  But that's not the only way to do it).

That's why teams have OC's & DC's.  For the X's & O's.  To create the gameplans.  To spend all their time scheming and coaching their unit to beat the guys on the other side of the ball.

And on the flip side that's why the HC graveyard is filled with terrible HC's who were good coordinators.  Recent coaches like Nolan, Scott Linehan, Cam Cameron and a million other guys were good managing a single unit of the team but not very good managing the ENTIRE team.

The point here is this.   Right now Todd Haley is functioning just like Mike Singletary:  Managing his entire squad and the game and letting his coordinators coordinate.  Does anyone think that Haley is overruling or helping out Charlie Weis on his offense?  I don't.   Part of the reason K.C. stuggled in Haley's first season was because he was spreading himself too thin and trying to do too much as HC/OC.  He's now being the HC and letting his coordinators coordinate.

After the debacle in K.C. Singletary fired his handpicked choice as his OC.    That's not easy to do on a personal level and also to publicly admit that you made something of a mistake with the original hire.  But he did it.  I think Mike Johnson was eventually going to take over as OC sometime in the future anyway.  This just accelerated the process.

Mike Singletary is not a stupid man, believe it or not.  His job (and now his coaching legacy) will depend, in a large part, on his coordinators and assistant coaches (especially the OC).  Sometimes, however, it takes a few seasons for it all to come together. 

In Dick Vermeil's first two seasons with the Rams Jerry Rhome was the OC and they went 9-23.  In his third season first time OC Mike Martz managed the offense.  They won the SB that season.

Singletary is no doubt on the hot seat right now, especially on the offensive side of the ball.  Give him and his new OC some time to make it happen.  That's how it works in the NFL.  It usually doesn't happen overnight, if it happens at all.

 

4.  The Quarterback:  

(Brief disclaimer.  This section, while absolutley relevant to this discussion about Mike Singletary, his offense and his 49ers, is dedicated to the clowns of Phoenix Sports radio who spend more time bashing Mike Singletary, usually with erroneous information,  than to talking about their own (suddenly stupid) Arizona Cardinals). 

Let's look at the most important position on the team and then let's compare Mike Singletary with the HC who's considered to be the best in the NFC West, Ken Whisenhunt of the Cardinals.  Sometimes the best way to judge someone's abilities is to compare them to someone perceived to be more successful.

Simply put,  Ken Whisenhunt is the most overrated coach in the history of civilization.  Here's why.

We all know the record.  Singletary is 2-1 against Whisenhunt and was a botched goaline play away by Mike Martz from  from being 3-0.   With LESS talent.  How so?

Ken Whisenhunt inherited a lot of (mostly) young talent from Denny Green.  Two #1 WR's in Fitzgerald & Boldin (most teams don't even have one #1).  Excellent defenders like Darnell Dockett, Karlos Dansby and Adrian Wilson.   But mostly this:  Future HOF QB Kurt Warner.  One of the most accurate passers in NFL history.  Singletary inherited Shaun Hill & Alex Smith.  No disrespect to Alex and Shaun but still . . .

Advantage Whisenhunt (in a big, big way).

But here's the best part.  Whisenhunt is a former SB winning OC with the Steelers who's considered to be FAR superior over Mike Singletary in all things offense.  Right? 

Whisenhunt's 'management' at the QB position throughout his tenure in Phoenix, however, has been HORRENDOUS.  That's right, horrendous.  It's the dirty little secret that almost nobody wants to acknowledge.  Especially those in the media, let alone their fan base. People like to criticize MS in this department (quarterback/offense).  Please.  Let's take a GOOD look here at almost complete incompetence: (that would be Ken Whisenhunt).

Briefly:

*  In his first season as HC in 2007 Whisenhunt names Matt Leinart as the starter over Warner.  There was some logic to this as Leinart was the 1st round pick and Warner had struggled recently.  I'll give the Wiz a pass here (pun intended).

*  Leinart , however, was injured and lost for the season in game five.  Warner starts the next eleven games (actually Warner was also injured.  He played most of 2007 with his left arm in a sling).  Leinart had 2 TD's and 4 INT's in 2007.  Warner 27 TD's and 17 INT's.

*  So who does the most overrated HC in history name as the starter for 2008?  That's right.  Matt Leinart.  Seriously.  Warner had to lobby Whisenhunt to be given an opportunity to COMPETE with Leinart for the starting job (believe me, I'm not making this up).  Whisenhunt said yes and then waited until SIX days before the start of the regular season to (finally) name Warner the starter in 2008.  Not during training camp.  Not even during the preseason.  No, AFTER the last preseason game and less than a week before opening day.

Hey Kenny, open your eyes.  What took you so long dude?  I mean, come on.  It took you to the Monday before opening day to finally name the superior Kurt Warner as your starting QB?  And they say Mike Singletary doesn't know how to handle the QB position?

*  Then in the opening game of 2008 against the 49ers Warner again had to lobby Whisenhunt (this time at halftime) - to open up the offense.  The fact is that Whisenhunt always wanted a more balanced offense in Arizona and was never fully comfortable with the air attack offense with Kurt Warner. 

Simply put, the Cards have succeeded in recent years NOT because of the 'great' coaching by the Wiz..  That's hysterical . No they played great at times because of the greatness of Kurt Warner.  Warner made that ENTIRE team better.  Obviously the offense, especially Larry Fitzgerald.  Also the defense (they knew they could give up some points and Kurt would go get'em back).  Special teams.  Front office.  Secretaries.  Janitors.  You name'em.  Warner helped them all be better and happier.

NOT KEN WHISENHUNT.  Whisenhunt the successful HC is almost exclusively the product of Kurt Warner's immense talents in Phoenix.  A HOF'er that he inherited and twice sent to the bench.

Whisenhunt isn't a great HC.  Actually he's pretty crappy to tell the truth.  At least without Kurt Warner he is.

And let's look at his abilities post Warner.  Knowing Kurt would soon retire, the thought by all was that Leinart was being groomed to replace him.  Makes sense, right?  Why else keep him on the roster?  Despite his early missteps like the hot tub situation, by all accounts the past few years Warner had taken Matt under his wing and Leinart was said to be working hard as he waited his turn under center after Warner retired.

So what does the Wiz do in the middle of training camp this season? That's right, he cuts Leinart and replaces him with Derek Anderson.  Said he didn't think Leinart was the right fit for the team.  Umm, you've had Leinart on your team for three seasons.  If you weren't sold on him replacing Warner why wait almost until the season starts to dump him? 

And then, for what?  Derek Anderson?  I mean, if Anderson could play, don't you think Mike Holmgren would've kept him in Cleveland?   Ya think?

If you're such a great offensive coach shouldn't you have been able to do something all these years with Matt Leinart, Ken?  Like 'coach'em up' and 'get'em ready' to replace your departing HOF'er? 

Have you looked at Arizona this year?  They are horrendous.  They are two plays away from also being 0-4 (a great strip by Breaston against the Rams and a missed FG by Janikowski).  They played two real good teams (Atlanta and San Diego) and were shellacked in both (41-7 and 41-10), losing by a combined SIXTY FIVE points!  SF also played two real good teams (NO and ATL) and lost by a combined FIVE points.

That's FIVE.  Not to be confused with SIXTY FIVE.

Where are all your great X's & O's NOW, Ken Whisenhunt?  You know, the kind that Mike Singletary knows nothing about but you know everything about cause, unlike Singletary, you once WERE a coordinator.  Where are they now Kenny?

Without KW (Kurt Warner) KW (Ken Whisenhunt) looks (and is) completely overmatched.  Those plays he's now calling on offense suddenly aren't looking so good without a HOF'er under center.  Hard to believe, right?

Without a HOF QB the spotlight now shifts to his team's lack of physicality, lack of discipline, focus, intelligence and drive.  And most importantly:  LACK of HEART!  His team is Heartless & Gutless.  Pure and simple.

(Rumor has it that he was so upset after losing to SD 41-10 last week that he actually raised his voice and expressed his displeasure to his entire team in the following days.  Imagine that!)

*  Mike Singletary has beaten Whisenhunt twice in three tries despite having a big disadvantage at the QB position.

*  Mike Singletary's 49ers have lost games, have looked bad on occasion and have even been outcoached a few times.  But his team has never lacked physicality, been heartless or gutless.

*  Mike Singletary is a better HC than the guy who was named the 9th best HC in the NFL a few years ago and is considered to be the best HC in the division.  Sorry.

Singletary's biggest problem is that he inherited guys like Alex Smith/Shaun Hill and not a guy like Kurt Warner.  Whatever one thinks of Alex or Shaun, nobody would ever compare them to Kurt, one of the all-time greats in NFL history.  Nobody.  No body.

Fire Mike Singletary?   Umm, I don't think so.

Apply some reason and logic and context and patience to the situation?  Now that would make MUCH more sense.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.

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Small pet peeve of mine: It’s not an article. You get paid professionally to write articles. This is a blog post.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think this is completely stupid

Singletary needs to be fired because he doesn’t understand the game of footabll from a head coaching perspective and he’s NOT Learning.

No wonder he’s pissed at Nate Davis. It reminds him too much of how he himself just doesn’t get what’s going on.

Just today he said, “I think Alex has done a decent job and going forward he’s only going to get better.” YOU THINK THAT’S A SANE RESPONSE?

Of course, he very well might get better, considering he’s at the bottom of every QB stat imaginable except he’s tied for first in interceptions.

We need a new QB and a new HC ASAP.

by Since79 on Oct 6, 2010 9:30 PM PDT reply actions  

I think this response is completely stupid.

Isn’t it obvious his QB lacks confidence in his OL, and himself? He is scared to make a mistake, scared to sit in the pocket too long, he isn’t reading the defenses and isn’t going through his progressions. yeah, he should be doing better, but fire the coach, because his QB is underperforming……HAHAAAAAAAA. And not to mention, he has to show confidence in his QB, no HC is gonna bash their QB, when have you ever seen that done?

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 6, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. Thank you. People need to understand that...$%*#...

Singletary can get it done as a HC and Alex can be a good QB – give them until the end of the season to get their acts together, and true to Sing’s word, Alex will improve, but Sing will also mature as a HC. Alex will develop confidence and lead the team to a winning streak. And besides, this is the NFC West so we’re still in the playoff hunt.

Bandwagoners are the prostitutes of fandom.

by SSC24 on Oct 7, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't laugh...

but i looked at the schedule and on paper I believe the niners can finish 10-6, but finishing the season 10-2 is unlikely for even the better teams, so a more likelier outcome is winning the division. It will probably take 7,8, or 9 wins to do so, Once they get that first win, I think this season can be turned around. I believe that first win comes this week at home on national tv, where they almost beat the saints. Also it will be there second home game of the season, the other came against the defending champions, so I’m not giving up on them yet!

by 80skid on Oct 8, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

If that’s true that explains a lot about Smith’s confidence problems.

"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig

by 10forTech on Oct 10, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

He openly questioned Alex’s toughness when the dude was playing with a separated shoulder that eventually proved to need surgery. Jackass.

Nolan is a fantastic X’s and O’s defensive mind and wasn’t too bad with scouting talent, but he was terrible at managing the people in the locker room, or on the field for that matter.

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 10, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn't too bad with scouting talent?

Hmm. He has had some very questionable draft picks.

by hudd07 on Oct 10, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

We may need and want a new QB and HC after this season but we have to give Sing and Johnson and Smith time to work things out.

One problem is that Smith has lost his confidence… Johnson needs to get him to take chances.. allow Smith to make the right choices. Right now Smith is afraid to throw up field except along the sideline once or twice a game. He needs to feel free to take chances because by not taking those chances, for fear of making a mistake, he is making mistakes.

Sing is a defensive coach.. he depends on the OC. If Johnson was in his second week against Atlanta.. they could have won. Johnson and Smith will work things out, hopefully sooner rather than later or you, Since79, could get what you are asking for. A new HC and new QB.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Oct 6, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think new HC is going too far, Sing didn't hand pick his QB.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 6, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

no he didn't

he only opted to NOT hand-pick one this past offseason.

mcnabb, clausen, mccoy…..

the list goes on.

anyone at all is better than alex smith in his 6th year. he blows.

"Winners, I am convinced, imagine their dreams first. They want it with all their heart and expect it to come true. There is, I believe, no other way to live."
- Joe Montana

by brooklyn49er on Oct 7, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you really think

Clausen or McCoy would be doing better at this point? Wouldn’t you have been upset if the Niners had to go through another “rebuilding” season with a rookie QB. I don’t believe our defense is good enough to win in spite of poor QB play, as evidenced by the season so far. I do think going after McNabb would have been a good idea, but I wasn’t sold on him either.

by Joshuahss on Oct 7, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

no

i think they would be sitting on the bench learning for the horrible mistake that is alex smith.

and i think that picking ANY OTHER QB AT ALL would have shown that simpletary is perhaps not SO simple. instead it would show him to be hedging bets, and creating a fall-back plan should the worst possible outcome come about.

ps, this is the worst possible outcome…

"Winners, I am convinced, imagine their dreams first. They want it with all their heart and expect it to come true. There is, I believe, no other way to live."
- Joe Montana

by brooklyn49er on Oct 7, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would disagree,

having the two first round lineman and grabbing Mays in the second were more important than taking a flier on one of the rookie QBs IMO. The fall back plan would have been virtually the same as we would have a rookie QB starting and another rebuilding year. And I think Clausen and McCoy are far less talented than the QBs that are probably coming out next year when our OL play should be good enough to protect them.

by Joshuahss on Oct 7, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

great!

cause we should be in a terrific draft position!!

look the point is, simpletary made a very clear statement and repeated it enough times that i’ll be recalling it on my deathbed: “alex is our guy”.

btw, mcnabb was in SF. timing was not off. simpletary just didn’t want someone who would throw the ball too much, or wouldn’t be intimidated by him.

"Winners, I am convinced, imagine their dreams first. They want it with all their heart and expect it to come true. There is, I believe, no other way to live."
- Joe Montana

by brooklyn49er on Oct 7, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has to say Alex is our guy

at this point. The team would completely fracture if he came out and said Smith was a terrible QB. What other option is there at this point? Passing on McNabb was probably a bad idea, but what do you think he should do now?

by Joshuahss on Oct 7, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

you're correct at this point

i meant during the offseason.

right now we are still surprisingly still in the race, so until we are out we have to truck along with smith.

if at any point we are getting blown out then i’d like to see carr or t.smith on the field. let’s see them take snaps and handle the offense. i’ve said it before but i’ll say it again for the homers – WE CANNOT GET WORSE ON OFFENSE.

if we fall completely out of sight and simpletary makes zero changes either in philosophy or roster, then fire him. cut smith. call nate davis up from the practice squad. let’s start rebuilding with our current personnel this year rather than wait til next year.

"Winners, I am convinced, imagine their dreams first. They want it with all their heart and expect it to come true. There is, I believe, no other way to live."
- Joe Montana

by brooklyn49er on Oct 7, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

you fix your OL first, unless you can get a guy like bradford, and we didn’t have that option, so we move on.

by t p on Oct 7, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d actually be hard-pressed to say that Clausen is doing any worse right now.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

But nobody knows how he would have done with the Niners right now, and with Raye as his OC the first couple weeks and now a first time OC with him. And who would you have draften him instead of? I think sticking with Alex was a mistake, but I also see very few viable alternatives.

by Joshuahss on Oct 7, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 49ers will find a better QB than Clausen next draft … well I hope. Seeing that they were team interested Clausen tells me they still don’t have anyone who can scout QBs.

Bring Briggs Back!!!

by bignerd on Oct 7, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is my fear. I worry that they will either draft the wrong QB or not develop him correctly. I’m kinda hoping QB hits the open market like the Rivers-Brees situation in San Diego, but that is probably just wishful thinking.

by Joshuahss on Oct 7, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

The SF 49ers: It's FAIL, done better

by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you not see how the career of Smith was mishandled? he was on the roster and the cap was in place.

Niners couldn’t take that hit. McCoy is third string on the browns and i don’t think he is good at all. Clausen is a drunken douche and McNabb was not available at the right time. you cannot tell me that Alex didn’t show some promise last year.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 7, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

who cares if he was mishandled?

that’s history, the present is an awful quarterback.

and no, i think he was average at best last year. always inaccurate. always scared in the pocket.

dude is a joke, move on.

"Winners, I am convinced, imagine their dreams first. They want it with all their heart and expect it to come true. There is, I believe, no other way to live."
- Joe Montana

by brooklyn49er on Oct 7, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not making excuses for this season. I am saying it made sense to keep him and manage him better.

That is all.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 7, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right.

What sense would it have made after last season when Alex showed some (emphasis—SOME) progress to cut him coming in to this season w/ no quality replacement? The coaching staff and management had to see what they had in Alex this year and depending on that performance choose to move on w/ or w/out him in 2011. He didn’t play lights out last season, but he showed enough to warrant being the starter entering this year. My concern is that if they had issues w/ Nate Davis’ preparation and evolution then they should have drafted a young QB to develop for the long-term so that he would have this year to learn the offense from the sideline. I don’t blame them for giving Smith this year, but I wish they had drafted a young QB w/ promise in the later rounds to challenge Nate.

"The principle is competing against yourself. It's about self improvement, about being better than you were the day before." ~Steve Young #8

by Young_To_Rice on Oct 7, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they used this season to push Davis further. Crabtree likes him alot for some reason.

At least I heard that.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 7, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

they kind of hung out at the combine in 09

like iupati and davis did this year. Think crab and davis had dreams of running the team when they came in.

Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......We all know PATRICK WILLIS is our future!
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by DreZ on Oct 8, 2010 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

he can not very well say

he sucks crap and has a 25% chance of getting better.

he made the qb bed this summer and he has too stick with it. he cant change now. a few more losses and many more ints compared to tds and smith is toast.

i just wish the niners could have gotten a signed joe montana poster for mike lewis…..

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Oct 6, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I keep saying it

Singletary isn’t the one keeping the QB around. If you think eliminating him will get rid of Alex you are mistaken.

Bring Briggs Back!!!

by bignerd on Oct 6, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

you are absolutely correct

big, bad, strong simpletary! there he is on the sidelines, yelling incoherently and breaking his headphones.

meanwhile, across the field… coaches are identifying mismatches and schemes, and figuring out solutions.

simpletary’s solutions? UP THE MIDDLE, PUNCH IN THE MOUTH!!

"Winners, I am convinced, imagine their dreams first. They want it with all their heart and expect it to come true. There is, I believe, no other way to live."
- Joe Montana

by brooklyn49er on Oct 7, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

assumptions, assumptions, assumptions

by eldingo on Oct 8, 2010 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great Post and breakdown these examples should open some eyes, but then again.

People are people and ignorance is bliss.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 6, 2010 9:48 PM PDT reply actions  

I think we should be fine the rest of the year. Our schedule gets easier and hopefully everything works out. I think we might need a new QB though.

49ers last stand on Sunday night. Al grito de guerra!!!

by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 6, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aren't you people too?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Oct 7, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah we all are.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 7, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speak for yourself.

lol

(I’m an alien robot)

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 7, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rec’d. Great read.

49ers last stand on Sunday night. Al grito de guerra!!!

by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 6, 2010 9:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Ball Security

That clip a few weeks ago of Spencer blowing Ahmad Brooks in practice happened while the defense was practicing ball security!!!! The argument cannot be made that Singletary didn’t go over that situation, it’s on the tape and only a few weeks old.

I will say Singletary needs to get himself out of the negative press. He hasn’t gone a week yet without causing a stir, that will ultimately cost him his job.

Bring Briggs Back!!!

by bignerd on Oct 6, 2010 10:48 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Hahaha

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by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 6, 2010 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice

but Wiz =enhut has nothing to do with how singletary is handling this team. I get the comparison but people want him fired becuase of the lack of winning. I am not one of those people (yet) but I do want a new QB. I also realize we are stuck with the current QB and there is nothing we can do about it aside from putting in even worse talent in Carr of Troy Smith. Although I would like to see what Troy can do.

by crumpedup15 on Oct 6, 2010 11:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Very good post. Rec'd

While I don’t agree with every word in the post (I do agree with most), it was certainly focused and made a plethora of great points. Well done, Geo. I especially liked the 2nd and 3rd sections.

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 7, 2010 12:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Fire Singletary?...

No. you don’t fire an HC in 4 game of the season. Are there reasons why he is on the Hot Seat? Yes, and they are valid. Is he a great Head Coach? That remains to be seen. Does every team have the same situations Singletary has right now? No, teams are different, that’s why you can’t compare them to others.

Singletary can either wind up his own worst enemy, or become a good Head Coach. The only comparison you can make to Nolan is that they might be heading down similar paths. To compare him to Nolan otherwise would mean this:

He would have to take over a Terry Donahue riddled team, with John York at the helm. That would mean he would be fired in 2008, like Nolan had. Why? Because Nolan was not only the HC, but was also working as GM and Face of the Organization. He had no QB’s worth a darn, and he is the reason why they have the 3-4 defense. He hired Greg Manusky after firing Billy Davis, and after he not only having the GM and HC role to fill, but also took over the defense before Manusky was hired. There is no way Singletary could handle all those roles. No inexperienced coach can. This is why the percentage issue is bunk. The reason why Nolan failed is because he didn’t have a FO that had a clue. There were no checks and balances. The one thing he had to fix was his offense, and finding an answer at QB. So far, the same thing is still a problem under Singletary. There has been at this point at least 4 changes in offensive philosophy since: Martz adjusting to Hill, Raye with Hill the next season, Smith and the spread halfway through it, and now Mike Johnson.

As far as penalties: False starts and Personal Fouls are penalties, and those have crept up this season in crucial situations. Those have proven costly, especially when yards are at a Premium.

I don’t think anybody is gonna argue that the Cardinals, even with warner, are a stupid team. But that has nothing to do with the 49ers, who are making dumb mistakes that are costing them the game.

The Clements situation is one of pure tactical awareness, and it leads to coaching the finer points of the game. Maybe Clements was acting more out of pure emotion at the instance, but they at least have to know how much time is left on the clock, how many time out’s they have left, and knowing that a final possession can still win you the game.

Finally, the 49ers on both sides of the ball are regressing, and it doesn’t take a Rocket Scientist to know that Raye’s offenses had traditionally regressed in the second year, and usually when it does, he get’s fired, with the Coach that hired him being fired next. It’s almost a curse when you hire Raye. In may in fact be one.

Finally, a real nice attempt at trying to gloss over realities that you failed to research. If I ever want a fluff piece to read, you’ll be the first to go to.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 12:03 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreeing to disagree is one thing

but your arrogant reply is ridiculous. I don’t believe it is fair to compare coaches either, but it does show that even those coaches who are considered to be the best make there fair share of mistakes. I also think the head to head matchups against coaches can be misleading, and all circumstances need to be taken into account. All in all I think too much of the blame is placed on the HC and the QB at times. They have not fulfilled expectations for this year, but you can look up and down the team and say that many times over.

All that said, what is your purpose in simply degrading someone else’s opinions on here? How about just responding without being condescending.

by Joshuahss on Oct 7, 2010 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're defending GeoMak

Against arrogance and condescension? Talk about ‘kind of laughable’. I just squirted coffee out my nose.

"Careful Grasshopper ~ that's a god you're mauling." Master Takeo

by riderless on Oct 7, 2010 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

But his post wasn't targeting anyone else in particular

I know I am not overly familiar with the posters on this site, and I disagree with alot of what GeoMak said, but my point was that even though drummer has good points they get lost in the way he wrote them. Maybe it is just me, but I tend to discredit people who specifically demean others on blogs such as this. Its the “everyone is better than everyone else on the internet” principal.

by Joshuahss on Oct 7, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

The reason why I was harsh..

is because the OP uses those same arguments here like he does with almost every other comment he has made for the past couple of years. He just made a Fanpost about it this time.

I’d rather read a post from an actual Cardinal fan, rather than a person who only really follows the team peripherally, much like the OP does with the 49ers.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Then why read and comment on it?

If you know there are going to be ridiculous things posted why waste the time reading it. I think some of his arguments are valid if not exactly approached correctly, but I read it to see his opinion. My main point would be as a neutral person reading your respone I wouldn’t take it seriously even though your arguments are sound.

by Joshuahss on Oct 7, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because there has to be..

a rebuttal to this.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not disagreeing with that,

only that your rebuttal gets lost in they way you posted it. Obviously you can write whatever you want, but your comments get lost when your start attacking someone else. There is not a right or wrong way to be a fan, and just because you disagree with them doesn’t mean you have to attack them.

by Joshuahss on Oct 7, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your point is taken..

I just feel there quite a bit of dishonesty in the OP’s post.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't disagree with that either,

and I would have wholeheartedly agreed if you had said it like that in the first place.

by Joshuahss on Oct 7, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I try to give things a fair shot..

and I have to correct after a second reading that he did address Green, Boldin, etc. But I don’t know if I’m reading a post about the 49ers, or a rant against the Cardinals and Whisenhunt. I do know that to bring Nolan into the conversation, you have to qualify what his actual role with the team was.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

its easy to write about things out of context and make your point. There are so many factors when it comes to coaches, players and teams succeeding that it is very difficult to compare them fairly. At that point everyone plays the “what if” game, and it becomes a slippery slope. Using a mistake a coach makes as an example that all of them do it is one thing, but otherwise it is often apples to oranges.

by Joshuahss on Oct 7, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, for another example..

In Dick Vermeil’s first two seasons with the Rams Jerry Rhome was the OC and they went 9-23. In his third season first time OC Mike Martz managed the offense. They won the SB that season.

Vermiel built that team from the bottom up, and not including Marshall Faulk in this point is something the OP missed. The Rams had a lot of talent on that team. Martz didn’t create it in a vaccuum. Martz eventually destroyed that team later.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think

its funny how coaches can go from geniuses to morons in the blink of an eye. Alot of times neither is the case but the situation just falls right or wrong for them, and so they are branded. Its just as important to look at the situation as well as the individuals surrounding a HC to try to find out the reason they succeeded or failed.

by Joshuahss on Oct 7, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

To me, it starts from the top on down..

if Singletary fails this season, I would not put it all on him. He is a first time HC who could use a lot more help. Nolan begged for more help, and he went out and found Hal Leneghan. But I agree with the OP, he should not be fired. Not now, anyway.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well from what I read and how you post

you are a “pro” forum commenter that uses forum slang with 7337 skills……

by Sammallory on Oct 13, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh

I don’t think either Geo or drummer were arrogant. They had their opinions and they stated them with authority. So be it.

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 7, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's really a lazy Fanpost..

for 2 quick reasons:

You don’t use Whisenhunt or Warner without going back to Dennis Green, Larry Fitzpatrick, and Anquan Boldin.

You can’t compare Todd Haley or KC without including Scott Pioli, Romeo Crennell, and Charlie Wiess.

Another point that is also inaccurate is that Singletary gives free reign to his assistants. Well, does Mike Martz ring a bell?

I’ve seen bloated reasonings like this one when it came to Mike Nolan. My answer to a post like this then, with the fan asking a reason us to give an example if why he is failing: how about a 5 game losing streak?

If you’re gonna bring up Mike Nolan, then you also have to address the reality of the situation.

But hey, I can see why Killion and Cohn don’t respond. They know a hack piece when the see one, probably since they can write something like this in their sleep.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you're being bit unfair

I don’t think it’s prudent to call Geo lazy. He’s a fan. He isn’t getting paid to do this. He was simply expressing his opinions, no different from you.

The main issue I see isn’t that you disagree, but the way you’re degrading his post. That’s pretty weak, man.

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 7, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

The reason why I call it lazy..

is because there isn’t a whole lot of background within it.

BTW, he’s a Bears fan.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's fine

But I think you came across way too aggressively. It seemed like an attack rather than a counter-discussion.

Also: Hey, our coach is Mike Singletary. I’m all for a Bears fan talking 49ers football.

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 7, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well if you're gonna talk 49er football..

at least try to get 49er football right.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

its a fan made post and your ranting like a douche

w/e man now your just trolling….you tried to comeback and act nice but then after a couple more comments from other people you troll on…we get it your point was stated you don’t like the post.

by Sammallory on Oct 13, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

How is drummer's reply arrogant?

Or any less arrogant than the original post?

by smileyman on Oct 7, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Once you start a post..

calling sportswriters and other media people clowns, then maybe somebody has an agenda that isn’t quite that objective.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

They practice it.
The Clements situation is one of pure tactical awareness, and it leads to coaching the finer points of the game

If it is tactical awareness, then it’s on Clements not the coach. he has to decide to have his brain work, that definitley is not on the coach.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 7, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

One you regain possession..

with momentum and the clock on your side, then you keep that possession. Especially when you have the lead. Pretty simple stuff to teach, right?

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

But how do you know

that is wasn’t taught many times over during practice? To me it looked like Clements going for the glory and getting caught up in the moment. Some things you can practice a million times but during the heat of the moment a player may forget everything they learned and try to do too much. I’m not saying they coulldn’t have gone over that situation more, but I doubt its as cut and dry as you are making it out to be.

by Joshuahss on Oct 7, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just think boneheaded plays..

starts at the coaching level.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

bone headed plays

The 49ers had plenty of ways to win that game but in regards to the Clements play I don’t place blame on the coaching staff. Remember that video of defenders being hit (the one where Spencer laid out Brooks)? They work on drills with the ball in practice. At the end of the day it’s on Clements to secure that ball.

There’s plenty to complain about with Singletary but I don’t think that one’s worth the time.

by David Fucillo on Oct 7, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your point is taken..

IMO I think the team as a whole should be more aware of those kinds of situations, and for a guy who preaches ball security in practice, it really hasn’t translated well on gameday. But it isn’t the fumble that kills me. It’s not going down or out of bounds that does.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

score

In looking back at the play, the only guy between Clements and the end zone was Matt Ryan. I would actually argue Clements should have cut back in to score because nobody could have reached him and he wouldn’t have needed to slow up.

Point being, he caught the INT on the run not too far from the line of scrimmage and probably thought (although obviously I’m speculating) that he was only dealing with o-linemen and maybe a running back and could outrun them.

The safe play is of course to drop down but I think Clements on his own thinks he’s more of an impact player and figured he had a shot at the TD. It was overly aggressive but not the stupidest thought at the time given what he saw in front of him.

by David Fucillo on Oct 7, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like I said below..

in a close game where you have the possible final possession, just try not to screw it up. It was just another mistake for a mistake prone team, and those are problems that still have to be fixed.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

But it's on Clements NOT Singletary

I’m ready for Sing’s head. But that wasn’t his fault.

If you think holding the ball HIGH AND TIGHT isn’t being taught at that level you are crazy. That’s the first thing you learn, to hold it high and tight, and protect the football.

That was on Nate pure and simple. He HAS been taught that, they DO practice it, Nate is just an idiot and it either slipped his mind, or he was so caught up with fulfilling his contract all he cared about was scoring. But it starts with Nate, and ends with Nate in this particlular case.

Now with being outcoached, or failing to make adjustments, that goes all the way to Singletary for sure.

by hudd07 on Oct 9, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

In my opinion he was outcoached once and that was versus KC.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 9, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Outcoached BADLY yes

Outcoached in general? 4 times. You can’t say he was the better coach when his game plan either failed to score, failed to defend a lead, or failed to win the game. He has been outcoached in all 4 of the games. He was embarrassed vs. KC

by hudd07 on Oct 10, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell no he wasn't. he was outcoached vs KC.

The team left the other games on the field they have to take responsibility for their poor performances.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 10, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

with you on this

nate’s been our defensive leader so far this year, probably feeling like he was the guy to get the defense back to its scoring ways. they’re a proud unit… pride can lead even the mightiest to fall.

by t p on Oct 7, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah my only complaint about the play

was nate only had matt ryan between him and the endzone. He slowed down to wait for PW and Brooks to block him. COME ON MAN! it he cuts inside full speed its 6 and were up by eight and if we somehow still would have lost then we would have deserved it

Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......We all know PATRICK WILLIS is our future!
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by DreZ on Oct 8, 2010 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually the play was a great one!

It was an outstanding interception, just poor ball security. His entourage going into the end zone could have and should have peeled back to take out Roddy White

by mensa on Oct 7, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

exactly

his blockers should be looking for that.

by zacksf on Oct 13, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I am sure it was taught, i know they taught the ball security issue, his decision was not the problem

He failed to secure the ball, we all know they practice it.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 7, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

The point is..

and I would be screaming it to the team:

If we get the ball back, let’s not screw it up.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Point is, Nate messed up, not the coaching staff.

High and Tight and ball security is football 101. Does anyone yell at the Coach when Gore was caught from behind and fumbled or is that Gore for not protecting the ball?

It’s always on the player, because they know better.

by hudd07 on Oct 9, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

excellent post

well presented argument that makes sense…..

by ratumike on Oct 7, 2010 12:13 AM PDT reply actions  

It's a seriously poor piece..

that has platitude and strawman all over it.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

wrong

to say the 49ers are regressing after 4 games is a far too premature statement to make. all judgement should be put on pause till the season is over. in the end, you are what your record says you are. singletary’s first full season in charge has him at .500. who knows what it will be after this season. nolan gave us losing seasons……and that’s that.

by ratumike on Oct 7, 2010 5:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's that..

and Terry Donahue never existed.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

To say the end result is all that matters is foolish....

If we can only beat teams with a losing record and finish 8-8 and still make the playoffs, that’s a huge disappointment and everyone should agree. I know everyone, including myself, is desperate for a playoff return, but I said it before the season and I’m sticking to it, less than 10 wins is a disappointment, even if we win a playoff game.

I don’t want the Niners to be the Jets of last year and get handed a playoff spot and get lucky to win a few games. That would be disgraceful, and would bolster the poor mentality that some have right now about how we can “turn it around.” Poor play shouldn’t be tolerated no matter who is sitting on the bench that might be worse.

And for the point in the main post about Whiz being bad for going with Anderson, he’s doing something about his poor QB play despite the question marks surrounding his other option. He went the same route as the Niners by sticking with what he had and not pursuing a big name veteran. Meanwhile, the Niners will stick with Smith who is throwing twice as many INTs as TDs and that likely won’t change. Blame it on the receivers if you want, but I can easily count 3 that rest solely on Smith’s shoulders and countless other bad passes.

by 9thevolution on Oct 7, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Easy schedule worked for the Jets

Let’s get a [site decorum] snack!

Bring Briggs Back!!!

by bignerd on Oct 7, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

:pancakes:

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

About Anderson

He hasn’t done much lately, but in 2007 (on a lousy team) he racked up almost 3800 yards and 29 touchdowns and, IIRC, made the Pro Bowl. Perhaps he’s a one-season wonder, but that’s more than Smith has accomplished in any season to date.

by silverjay on Oct 7, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh I see, so your a Cardinals fan then?

by mikeinsp on Oct 7, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah..

I hang out at their SB Nation site all the time.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lol

Well now I better understand the “sting” in your original reply to this post.

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 7, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a 49er fan..

But I don’t why I am reading a post about the Cardinals. From a Bears fan.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

uhh

because the bears are who they thought they were and cards let em off the hook!

Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......We all know PATRICK WILLIS is our future!
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by DreZ on Oct 8, 2010 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

lmao

Well played.

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by Effage on Oct 8, 2010 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess that's your opinion. There may have been poor comparisons, bowever the post as a whole is not a poor piece.

You just refust to accept any optimism, and at times reality.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 7, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think I know quite a bit about this team..

more so than you think. As of late, the 49ers are the only team I follow, the only team I watch, the only team I read and write about. Well, only NFL team to be exact. Being that I have been a fan of this team since the late 70’s, I think I’ll trust what I’ve been witnessing for many years.

If you really want to know, I’m still highly critical of Pau Gasol, even though the Lakers had won back to back Championships. Because certain things are true, despite the Lakers winning.

If I want to read about the Cardinals, I’ll go over to Revenge of the Birds. Funny how I don’t see the any posts from the OP there. So I don’t know if the OP is really an expert on that team either. I do know he isn’t one of the 49ers.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

wait your critical of Gasol? Not Kobe? there is an arguement to be made that Gasol actually contributes more to the team winning than Kobe does.

by eldingo on Oct 8, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

diddo, Gasol has been the most consistent player on that team, especially in the finals.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 8, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your comments...

Make it seem like you have something personal against GeoMak that goes beyond this post. Why else do you need to keep repeating yourself about your belief that the post sucks? We get it, you’ve made your point. Simply because you don’t like or agree w/ the post doesn’t mean others cannot both enjoy it and disagree w/ your assessment.

"The principle is competing against yourself. It's about self improvement, about being better than you were the day before." ~Steve Young #8

by Young_To_Rice on Oct 7, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your point is taken..

But the OP needs to post this on Revenge of the Birds.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's pure opinion, and what makes you think you ca dictate where the post belongs.

That’s a bit “strawman” like, right?

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 7, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

The bulk of the post..

is a dedicated rant about the Cardinals and Whisenhunt. Maybe a Cardinal fan would be better suited to reply to it.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

STRAWMAN RESPONSE..............Child Please!!!

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 7, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeebus...

riot trying to pull all kinds of garbage out his rear end. Sheesh.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

rlott#42.............spell checked for ya, you're welcome.

I don’t see how a Cardinal fan is best suited to respond.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 7, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would add more perspective..

I would take a fan of the Cardinals perspective of the team, as opposed to a fan who isn’t one of them with a clear cut bias.

Would add some integrity to this, wouldn’t it?

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

So are you saying whaat was said about the Cards wasn't factual.

You don’t have to be a fan to get that information. If you’re saying the info is inaccurate fine, but if it’s just because he’s not a Cards fan, i think that’s futile. In that case how could a writer write about any other team then the one he liked?

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 7, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Freakin JEEBUS..

HE IS WRITING ABOUT THE CARDINALS. WHO THE HELL FOLLOWS THAT TEAM HERE? DO YOU? WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE CARDINALS??

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know they are in our division and ahead of us.

That’s my only concern, i know alot, but what does that matter. he used comparisons, whether you think they are valid, is your opinion and you are entitled to that, but it appears you would like to see the post deleted and your reasoning to me, is straw-like.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 7, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again..

The Cardinals have nothing to do with the 49ers for a lot of reasons, and no, I don’t want to see the post deleted. Now if you don’t have a real point, than I suggest leaving the keyboard, because you are a pointless mess.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

you have some issues mate, seems like it is you who is the pointless mess.

by eldingo on Oct 8, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

and

I don’t usually resort to personal attack, but it seems like you are unwilling to see the basic point that these people are trying to make. The OP was talking about the cardinal in relationship to Singletary and the Niners, that is a perfectly acceptable rhetorical approach

by eldingo on Oct 8, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn't have to be original.

He can write a FanPost on the issue from his perspective all he wants, whether it has been written before or not.

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 8, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

When all else fails..

I’LL JUST MAKE A FAN POST ABOUT IT!!

LOOK AT ME! i POST TEH REDUNDANTZ!!

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by drummer on Oct 8, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly

lol

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 8, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not just about the cardinals

It’s a comparison about coaches for the purpose of defending Singletary. Sounds like the post is right where it belongs to me.

by Andrew9erfan on Oct 9, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lol

I still don’t see this post as misplaced here at NN. The Cardinals coaching and personnel was very relevant to the point he was trying to make to the 49ers fan base, whether you agree with those points or not.

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 7, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I commented several times last year that it would take Singletary some time to catch on as head coach and that fans might as well be patient with some of his mistakes. However, I’m beginning to lose confidence in him. The team’s personnel seems to have improved during his tenure with the off-season acquisitions, yet it has no wins to show for the improvement. I’m not ready to call for his head in the midst of the season, though.

Your setting up Wisenhunt as a straw man and then knocking him down doesn’t convince me of much. I agree that some very good players contributed to Wisenhunt’s success with the Cards. Now that a few of those players are gone, his team seems to have degenerated to mediocrity. But the Niners should, by rights, be headed in the opposite direction.

Yes, other QBs make mistakes. I would venture to say all QBs, including the ones you except. I know I’ve seen Montana make them. But Smith seems to make more than his share and appears to panic under pressure. That may not be Singletary’s fault. But the coach seems blind to Smith’s weaknesses, or else inclined to ignore them. Maybe he didn’t “hand pick” Smith, as rlott says, but he anointed Smith the starter, let Shaun Hill go, and brought in two guys that were designated backups.

Lastly, I suggest you look up “briefly” in the dictionary. ;)

by silverjay on Oct 7, 2010 12:54 AM PDT reply actions  

The Cardinals have nothing to do with this team..

It’s like asking Sarah Plain about Israel, and she going off on Health Care.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Palin.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I liked the way you spelled it the first time...

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Oct 7, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is there a problem with Health Care in Israel? And did Sarah Palin create that problem?

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Oct 7, 2010 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I met somebody from Israel, actually. She said that she only pays the equivalent of three dollars a year to receive first-rate healthcare year-round. Doesn’t sound like a problem to me.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Are you trying to set a record?

For the most repeat responses in one thread

by Andrew9erfan on Oct 9, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Drummer you seem bitter....

Love how your so opinionated yet you are so eager to bash on other peoples opinions.

by Sammallory on Oct 13, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

great post

drummer maybe you dont live out here in AZ. But Geo was using the cards for comparison because they are in the same division and he’s stuck listening to sports radio out here.
Geo get sirius if you want real NFL talk

Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......We all know PATRICK WILLIS is our future!
May 12 2010 comment of the day award winner on the nuggets!

by DreZ on Oct 7, 2010 7:11 AM PDT reply actions  

I live in SoCal..

and can stream KNBR when I want to.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dang

you just seem sooooooooo bitter!!! Perception is there is a personal battle with the OP. Get over it and get over yourself.

by Quin on Oct 7, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

For the love of God, these are not articles.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

same thing. calm down.

by mikeinsp on Oct 7, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m on a crusade here!

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly, calm down

by Quin on Oct 7, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

simma down now!

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 7, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......We all know PATRICK WILLIS is our future!
May 12 2010 comment of the day award winner on the nuggets!

by DreZ on Oct 8, 2010 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll see your lol and raise you two lols

I made you lol here, and your “bears are who they thought they were” comment made me lol. We’re just all about the lol.

… I did it all for the lol. WHAT? The lol. WHAT?

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 8, 2010 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

good times

Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......We all know PATRICK WILLIS is our future!
May 12 2010 comment of the day award winner on the nuggets!

by DreZ on Oct 8, 2010 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

terrible article

you are spending your time comparing simpletary to nolan, then haley, then whisenhunt…

dude compare him to WHAT HE SAID THIS SEASON WOULD BE.

this is the worst division possibly in the history of the nfl. yet we sit at the bottom at 0-4 with TONS of talent on both sides of the ball.

i don’t care at ALL that he’s better than nolan. i care what is happening RIGHT NOW and the fact is, we are getting destroyed in the 2nd half of every game.

why? coaching. gameplanning. adjustments. being SMARTER than the guy across the field and finding mismatches of players and schematically.

but i’m sure you’ll get your sorry wish and he’ll finish the season. how will you justify/apologize for 4-12 record?

"Winners, I am convinced, imagine their dreams first. They want it with all their heart and expect it to come true. There is, I believe, no other way to live."
- Joe Montana

by brooklyn49er on Oct 7, 2010 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

It is NOT an article.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

lots of time to kill, huh?

"Winners, I am convinced, imagine their dreams first. They want it with all their heart and expect it to come true. There is, I believe, no other way to live."
- Joe Montana

by brooklyn49er on Oct 7, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 7, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Howie..

works as an Editor for his real job. I think he knows the difference.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

industry parlance is NOT the same as definition of a word.

i own a restaurant, but i don’t correct someone for using the number 86 in it’s disambiguated form.

ummmmm, 49ers talk now?

"Winners, I am convinced, imagine their dreams first. They want it with all their heart and expect it to come true. There is, I believe, no other way to live."
- Joe Montana

by brooklyn49er on Oct 7, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

86 the grammar lesson?

capiche

please don’t correct my italian

by t p on Oct 7, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

ar·ti·cle   
[ahr-ti-kuhl] Show IPA
noun, verb, -cled, -cling.
–noun
1.
a written composition in prose, usually nonfiction, on a specific topic, forming an independent part of a book or other publication, as a newspaper or magazine.

……..says nothing about getting paid for it.

"Winners, I am convinced, imagine their dreams first. They want it with all their heart and expect it to come true. There is, I believe, no other way to live."
- Joe Montana

by brooklyn49er on Oct 7, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Pwn'd

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 7, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

win

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Oct 7, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

And that definition of publication was created before the age of online publication. Back when publication meant a few very specific things. I think the word carries a pretty specific connotation since the journalistic age started. Just because the journalistic age is evolving with the internet age, I think it’s an affront to the profession to call anything that anybody slaps on the Internet an article.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

But that is just your view on it. Some people may refer to certain writings as articles even though they may not technically be one as you see it. Working in a law office I don’t try to correct people when they use legal terms incorrectly in casual conversation.

by Joshuahss on Oct 7, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know… I feel like there’s some false sense of empowerment going on in this context. It’s not just using a term incorrectly in a casual setting to me so much as it’s conflating a casual setting with a professional one. If I started thinking of the things I wrote here as articles, weird things would happen to my ego. It would be like if somebody won an argument with their friend, and then somebody else said “way to win that case, bro” in a totally serious an unironic way.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn’t someone tell you everyone on the internet is an expert? Unfortunately there are always going to be those people who think that just because they write a few paragraphs on a blog that they are true journalists. I know I am, my constant twitter posts are evidence of that.

by Joshuahss on Oct 7, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 7, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe not everyone has issues controlling their ego

like you do. Also, for you it would be an intentional “miss use” whereas it is clearly not in this case. Oops, I used the word case and I’m not a lawyer!

by Andrew9erfan on Oct 9, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha that's my strategy

if i set my expectations low enough, i’ll be ecstatic when i’m wrong

"Winners, I am convinced, imagine their dreams first. They want it with all their heart and expect it to come true. There is, I believe, no other way to live."
- Joe Montana

by brooklyn49er on Oct 7, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like it

Expectations are a killer. The higher your expectations, the more likely you are to be disappointed in the end.

Maybe I should expect 1-15 every season and take my chances…

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 7, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I expect 10 wins this season..

when was the last time that happened in SF?

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lol

You know, back after the 2000 season I said the 49ers would win 10 games and make the playoffs in 2001. They won 12 games that season. That was the last time I predicted 10 or more wins for the 49ers following a non-winning season… until this year. So, on principle, I am very disappointed, though if they manage 8 or 9 wins out of this I’ll actually be very impressed with that kind of turnaround.

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 7, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Expectations..

the expectations this season stem from being in a crappy Division. Right now, the 49ers are last in it. That sucks. I may never live to see a 10 wins season, for I may jump off a cliff before that happens.

The SF 49ers: It's FAIL, done better

by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Welcome perspective

in lieu of what some others are saying, i think you have a good perspective, Geo. Mostly, in that Sing really has raised expectations here. Every poll of HC confidence last year weighed heavily in Mike’s favor, and that’s mostly because he brought a new attitude to the team. We approved of him, even though we were losing.

This year has been riddled with bad pub on sing’s part- the players quitting, the reporter crap, the yahoo crap, the mike smith handshake….all the while the team is also losing. A lot of the joke that is our team right now is…mike singletary.

he’s the problem. and he’s the solution. he’ll take the blame, and when this thing turns around (i really hope it does), he’ll be the reason for it. but your basic premise, that he should not be fired, is spot on. he hasn’t botched the 2010 season- he’s done what he needs to do.

maybe it’s time that the coaching staff get on the ball and coach up their players and let sing continue to give us and them reason to believe that we can win.

by t p on Oct 7, 2010 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I really believe they will beat the Eagles handily

And I’m hoping we can have a winning season even while I look forward to A. Smith being let go to pursue his career elsewhere.

But it confuses me when OTOH we’re 0-4 and the team is in dissarray and Sing is a “lot of the joke that is our team right now is” but OTOH you say that “he’s done what he needs to do”.

Personally I think he’s done a piss poor job managing the team this year. It isn’t coincidence that so many of our players are performing poorly and that we have had 2 blowouts and 2 chokes. He’s in charge ~ why isn’t he the ultimate blame for the whole miserable situation we find ourselves in especially when so many seem to think A. Smith isn’t really the problem either?

"Careful Grasshopper ~ that's a god you're mauling." Master Takeo

by riderless on Oct 7, 2010 12:58 PM PDT reply actions  

crap

reply fail

"Careful Grasshopper ~ that's a god you're mauling." Master Takeo

by riderless on Oct 7, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not confident

I liked things better when Vick was the QB. Manusky has been Reid’s b*tch the last few contests and sure he will exploit a few passing holes. T49ers offensive line has seen a quick defensive line since the Colts preseason game so it’s an unknown how they will handle it.

Bring Briggs Back!!!

by bignerd on Oct 7, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks..

It’s good to get my d**k stomped outta the way before Sunday.

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by drummer on Oct 7, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

me too

we win- if not big, decisively.

i say he’s a lot of the joke because he’s getting the attention. i think he makes stupid comments and has a poorly controlled temper. this year it’s eating him alive. problem is, he’s not the coordinator. he’s not the playcaller, and he’s not the guy drilling his players on fundamentals. if he’s failing from a coaching standpoint, it’s that he’s not holding his coaches accountable. he defended raye up until the axe came down. i wonder if he’s holding manusky’s feet to the fire, or solari for that matter.

yea, he’s not innocent- but he’s filling us and the team with expectations and belief. him getting the players to play above their capabilities comes back to the coaches doing their part. maybe it’s time he redirected his fire to the guys that hold his fate in their hands?

oh, and alex. good lawd that guy is bad. he’s been the problem for a long time now. not sure what’s going on there…but yes, he takes much of the blame.

by t p on Oct 7, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great "article"!

Don’t listen to the haters on here, great piece. MS has done a great job since taking over. Has helped a few players reach their true potential and he is trying that same magic on Alex Smith. At the end of the year, I have full confidence we will be 9-7.

Don’t ever tell the final score in the middle innings. There is much game to be played.

by Quin on Oct 7, 2010 5:52 PM PDT reply actions  

lol

“howtheyscored” is going to rip your kidneys out. For serious.

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 7, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

/begins polishing kidney rippers.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

ouch

stay away from me, I like my kidneys

Bring Briggs Back!!!

by bignerd on Oct 8, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

All I look at is results on the field...

You can’t argue that the 49ers are putting out a good product right now, or that they haven’t been frequently outcoached, so posts like GeoMak’s are just noise. OTH, canning Singletary tomorrow will not secure us a winning season this year. I can’t think of a mid-year replacement ever getting a team to the playoffs, off the top of my head.

by asleepinSF on Oct 7, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seattle

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 8, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't agree

They dominated time-of-possession in the first half.

Their problem in that game, to me, was one of ‘big plays.’

Alex Smith missed a wide open TD pass on 4th and one. Coaching helped design a play leaving a guy wide open at the goalline. Smith just overthrew him. That’s an easy big play they didn’t make.

Nate Clements jumped a route and was burned for a TD. That ended up being a big play for the SeaHawks.

To me they weren’t outcoached. They were in a one of the toughest places to play in the NFL and just were on the losing end when it came to big plays.

And once they mised a few big plays and Seattle made a few, it started to get kind of ugly there.

by GeoMak on Oct 8, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

That game was the greatest example of one tam knowing everything there is to know about their visiting opponent… while the visitor knew nothing about the home team. If you don’t want to call that being out-coached, that’s fine. But in the function of a game, that’s basically what happened.

But yes, the 49ers blew their early opportunities and fell apart by giving up big plays.

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 8, 2010 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well
That game was the greatest example of one tam knowing everything there is to know about their visiting opponent… while the visitor knew nothing about the home team

The Seahawks had tape from last years 49ers, who were pretty much the same as this years.

The 49ers had NO tape on the Pete Carroll SeaHawks, as this was their first regular season game under the new regime. So there is some truth to that statement.

Here’s the difference:

In the Seattle game, both teams had 14 first downs.
Seattle out rushed SF by only 28 yards.
SF outpassed Seattle by 55 yards.

All close totals. Almost the exact same. The biggest difference was in the two INT’s by SF (as opposed to one by Seattle) and those big plays I mentioned earlier.

In the Chiefs game, K.C. had almost twice as many first downs (21-11),
outrushed SF by 164 yards (207-43), and weren’t sacked once, while SF was sacked 5 times.

Those totals aren’t even remotely close.
Personally, while they were losses by almost identical scores, I saw almost two different games between the two.

by GeoMak on Oct 8, 2010 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I get your point. I don’t necessarily think the 49ers coaching staff could have done anything about that huge disadvantage, but I think, at least purely in the function of the game, they were… maybe not “out-coached” but “out-prepared.” To no fault of their own, of course.

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 8, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not even that either. The players were int he redzone 3 times, the defense got an early turnover.

The team came away with 6 points and after Smith’s pick six, everyone in the stadium knew it was pass time.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 8, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

The entire team was shocked. They had a few nearly successful drives end with nothing, and suddenly their defense got punched in hte face… and the entire team collapsed.

Touchdown Forty Niners!

by Effage on Oct 8, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best thing to do..

is force Smith to pass.

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by drummer on Oct 10, 2010 6:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Many times...

This goes all the way back to last year, and until they finally canned Raye, there was no sign whatsoever of improvement this year. We’ll have to see how Mike Johnson does the rest of the year. I have to blame Singletary for keeping Raye past the end of last year. Continuity is only helpful if you’re sticking with something that at least has the potential to succeed.

by asleepinSF on Oct 8, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Atlanta

defensively at least. Manusky drops the defense into zone coverage on every 3rd and long down and gets eaten alive on that.

by smileyman on Oct 8, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Singletray fails to win the division...

He SHOULD be fired. The FO needs to make some calls to Cowher or Gruden to see if they are interested. Or reach out young offensive coordinators who have played in run oriented offenses with young QBs. The young Shannahan and Schottenheimer… they each played in 3-4 defensive teams and had to work with a young QB to ultimately make them a playoff ready QB in their first year. I say we draft either Luck or Mallet and start all over. They can probably pull some coaches from either the Jets or Ravens and help the team improve.

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect ___?__ to be super so soon. Alex Smith is no longer expected to do much for this team in the future... on to the next one!!

by bayboy on Oct 8, 2010 12:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Off the Grid

Geo Mac:

You make some decent points sometimes but the way you respond to people leaves no room for reality. The REALITY is, you don’t know as much as you are insisting you know. Neither do I, by the way. I’m a fan, I’m not the owners, and not a coach in the NFL.

But when you argue your points so strongly you lose credibility. For instance, in the Seattle game, I could tell just from watching the game on TV that Singletary was being out coached. True, the Niners started the game very strongly, as they did against the Falcons, but then the coaching skills kicked in and Singletary lost a lot of credibility in my mind in both of those games. He just couldn’t keep up.

So when you debate other fans you may want to take into consideration what other fans are feeling after they actually watch these games. Personally, I think Singletary is an okay coach with some upside in his learning curve, but he’s not a great coach, and he’s not a coach who at the current time can take the Niners to the next level — a level that goes beyond 8-8.

My reasoning for this is very specific:

1. He’s happy and supportive of Alex Smith as a QB, and hand picked him last year to be our QB in 2010 when other options existed out there. And I don’t think a coach with a good handle on modern offenses and what it takes to win in this league would have given Smith the kind of support that is normally reserved for the top 5 QBs in the league.

2. He experienced Jimmy Raye as an OC last year. We all saw that he sucked. We all saw he was trying to win with Gore and eventually broke him down until at the end of the year he couldn’t even play. Yet, Raye was still around in 2010, using the baseline of run first, stuff it up the middle with brute force, which Singletary not only supported but demanded.

That might have been okay to try last year, but when it failed to get you to the playoffs or even close, and when you saw the Super Bowl and who was in it — Saints and Colts, with the two best QBs in the world and big-time passing games — might a great coach not stop and say to himself — I need to re-think my idea of trying to recreate the 1980’s Bears and develop a powerhouse offense with a great passing game — very much in the Niners tradition — or it won’t matter how good our defense is, we’re not going to get to the Super Bowl?

I thought that. I know most Niners fans still think that. Why do we have a HC that’s still living in the ’80s trying to re-live his time with the Chicago Bears?

Alex Smith and Jimmy Raye didn’t do anything differently this year than they did last year. They are who they are. There should have been no surprises when they flopped. A head coach’s job is to have a clear vision of the future, and clear knowledge about what each member of his team and his staff is capable of, and not capable of. Singletary only has his own stubborn limited way of seeing things. But at a certain point motivation and Jesus isn’t going to make him or the Niners become better.

We’ve tried the Singetary way. It failed. He and Smith had their shot. I’m ready for a new QB and HC, the sooner the better. We can debate timing but I feel strongly the longer we wait the longer it will take to get better.

Anyone can argue with stats. Stats are interesting. But I’ve seen too much defense of Alex Smith with stats that don’t match what I see when I watch him play. There are intangibles. They can work both ways though. Smith has the intangibles that losers have. I’m afraid Singletary does too. He’s not growing as a coach, not adjusting to a more modern offense. He just doesn’t seem to have that tricky brilliance great coaches have. And I don’t think he’s capable of learning that.

I’d appreciate your feedback, Geo, and anyone else that wants to respond. But do remember, we’re ultimately all on the same team! Whoever of us ends up being right or wrong, I don’t care. As long as we get a lot better than what I’m seeing now. I dread Smith taking the field. I don’t know whether to hope his head set is working or not working. I dread it when it’s time for the coach to make a critical call. I cross my fingers hoping there aren’t 12 men on the field. Or 10. I mean, come on. I just want the Niners to look and be great again.

by Since79 on Oct 8, 2010 2:20 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Blah blah blah.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 8, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look Since79
I could tell just from watching the game on TV that Singletary was being out coached.

As Ricky said to Lucy: “Splain.” (That means explain what you mean when you say ‘outcoached.’)

Like rlott#42 said above:

They were in the red zone three times and got an early intercepton. They only came away with six p[oints and after Smith’s pick six, everyone knew they were going to pass.

They weren’t outcoached in that game. They were outplayed in a hostile environment. They had chances early on but didn’t capitalize and after that it just started getting away from them.

by GeoMak on Oct 8, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

The best thing for an opposing team to do..

is force Smith to pass.

The SF 49ers: It's FAIL, done better

by drummer on Oct 10, 2010 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Okay Blah Blah Blah

So then what do you think?

I thought this site was here for fans to express their honest opinions. Do you have a problem with my facts? What’s your problem?

by Since79 on Oct 8, 2010 7:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I didn't feel like typing this much, but if you want to know hee ya go!!!
1. He’s happy and supportive of Alex Smith as a QB, and hand picked him last year to be our QB in 2010 when other options existed out there. And I don’t think a coach with a good handle on modern offenses and what it takes to win in this league would have given Smith the kind of support that is normally reserved for the top 5 QBs in the league.

For one, any coach with a handle on the offense, knows you need an offensive line. They also understand that ANY QB needs continuity in the system. The only QB available with a good track record was McNabb, and to get McNabb, we would either not have one of our first rounders or no Mays and Bowman. Then we would also be working another QB into a new system, that isn’t a WC system and he is a WC QB. Belichik said it best, the unit, whether offense or defense starts to gel when they see the system through the same eye, and that takes more than one season. That support reserved for Smith is neccessary because he=is most glaring weakness to me is confidence and mechanics, you can’t work on either without a supportive coach, or, TIME.

2. He experienced Jimmy Raye as an OC last year. We all saw that he sucked. We all saw he was trying to win with Gore and eventually broke him down until at the end of the year he couldn’t even play. Yet, Raye was still around in 2010, using the baseline of run first, stuff it up the middle with brute force, which Singletary not only supported but demanded.

Again, Singletary has said from day one he wants a balanced offense, and last season, our offense passed more than it ran and it wasn’t due to the game score, our OL couldn’t open holes for Gore at all. he didn’t break gore down. Gore was jurt in week 4 or 5 vs the Vikes, and was essentially out two games in the middle of the season, yeah there is rehab, but it is still rest. Gore was not broken down. Raye was still around in 2010 and it made sense because Alex had a chance to work on mechanics and had tiem to gel with his receiving options.

That might have been okay to try last year, but when it failed to get you to the playoffs or even close, and when you saw the Super Bowl and who was in it — Saints and Colts, with the two best QBs in the world and big-time passing games — might a great coach not stop and say to himself — I need to re-think my idea of trying to recreate the 1980’s Bears and develop a powerhouse offense with a great passing game — very much in the Niners tradition — or it won’t matter how good our defense is, we’re not going to get to the Super Bowl?

He isn’t making the 1980 bears, he of all people would know that this team is not even close. The 49ers do not have a load of HOF’s on their defense although it can be a good defense. A Great caocah is going to see a team for what it is and build on it’s strenghts instead of coming in shipping guys out left and right to fit the mold, it is a setback in itself and you will see how the Seahwks turn out, they did just that. it does matter about how the defense is, had it not been for an All-pro Rb coughing up the rick repeatedly the Saints don’t make the playoffs and the NFL’s most historic pick thrower gets a SB berth, and mind you in that Superbowl the team with the best defense won the game. Same can be said about the most historical offense in history being beat by a defensive team.

We’ve tried the Singetary way. It failed. He and Smith had their shot. I’m ready for a new QB and HC, the sooner the better. We can debate timing but I feel strongly the longer we wait the longer it will take to get better.

We haven’t tried the Singletary way, either, that would mean that Clements wouldn’t have coughed up the ball and our defense would not have gave away two game winning drives. Players are screwing up what Singletary is constantly preaching as verified in MJ’s interview, DON’T GIVE THE GAME AWAY.

I’d appreciate your feedback, Geo, and anyone else that wants to respond. But do remember, we’re ultimately all on the same team! Whoever of us ends up being right or wrong, I don’t care. As long as we get a lot better than what I’m seeing now. I dread Smith taking the field. I don’t know whether to hope his head set is working or not working. I dread it when it’s time for the coach to make a critical call. I cross my fingers hoping there aren’t 12 men on the field. Or 10. I mean, come on. I just want the Niners to look and be great again.

There hasn’t been a headset issue since week 1. No reason to keep bitching about it. You act as if greatness can be achieved in a season and a half, not to mention we had the toughest 1st quarter schedule in the league, when you factor in travel and what games are played in what stadiums, we weren’t gonna come out of these four weeks with 4 wins and would have been GREAT wih 2. 2 wins were there and us not getting them was not on the coach, and not on Alex either.

I thought this site was here for fans to express their honest opinions. Do you have a problem with my facts? What’s your problem?

My problem is, if you don’t understand that Sing’s philosophy is not pounding it up the middle, I don’t think you deserve a response, if you cann not see why he kept Smith, then why comment. This team was not in a positiion to add another Qb, who would we add? Who could we have drafted? We had to get an OL, since we wasted a pick on Crabtree. We had to get an ILB and safety in the draft, because the coach seen that our Safety that Mays is now starting over was a problem. So it took three weeks. Our coaches don’t throw people in the fire, unless they are the clear cut best option. I don’t agree with adding a Qbl last season. if anything, complain about not getting Peppers, who could have singlehandedly stopped either drive by the Saints or the Falcons.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 9, 2010 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Out coached

Anyone watching the Seattle game from the second quarter on, would see the we were out coached.

Half time adjustments — we’re out coached. Kansas City killed us in the second half. A part of that is they totally de-coded our simplistic offensive system and knew how to read Smith.

Geo, have you ever coached? I did. And I can tell you from watching the game that at a certain point in 3 of the 4 games the other teams began to adjust to what we were doing on both offense and defense and we did NOT make counter adjustments. So yes, we were out coached.

I’m not saying the coaches were the only ones to lose the games. I admit, Smith was mostly responsible for three of the four losses. But I am saying the coaches are not helping this team as much as great coaches could.

I think we have very good offensive line coaches. I think Manusky is good, not great, but not bad. And you can grouse or disagree all you want, but I know as a coach the MOST IMPORTANT part of dealing with personnel is the knowing how each guy responds to praise or criticism, how they study, or don’t study film. The latter can be taught.

So why then, if Singletary knows how to read the players on this team, does he blame Nate Davis for not studying the play book? You mean he couldn’t have assigned someone to him to help him study? If he has a learning disability and you draft him as high as the 5th round wouldn’t you go into that situation knowing you’re going to have to help your guy learn the system? I think he gave Davis a raw deal and I think it’s stubborn of him to stick with Alex Smith to the point of not even caring about his second year back-up. I think it was stupid of him not to get Davis into the last two games of the season, at least for a quarter or two.

I think it’s equally stupid of him for not insisting Westbrook get carries this year. Gore can’t handle playing all game all season. Westbrook is like LT on the Jets. They thought he was washed up, but he’s still a monster. I bet you Westbrook could be a great back for us and give Gore a little rest each game. But no, Singletary wants to play like it’s the ’80’s and thinks Gore is Walter Peyton.

I just think Singletary is making stupid moves as a coach and I personally think there are better, more savvy, less stubborn head coaches out there that could do a lot more with this team.

First thing is to admit our QB sucks. Not say “I think Alex played well today” after he screws up the game and is now tied as the league leader in interceptions, while he’s at the bottom of most other stats — yards per throw, 3rd down completions. Stats that actually matter.

After benching Smith and giving the other QBs we have a shot, if that doesn’t work we need to look to free agency or the draft. Or we could try Jeff Garcia as a desperation move to save the season and mentor a kid like Davis.

Radical things must be considered when you’re 0-4. Even in this weak division, with Smith at QB we have no shot. If you run Gore into the ground, he won’t be healthy by game 12, forget what would have happened if we got into the playoffs.

Someone has to start thinking smart and making the right moves. Singletary is stuck in his stubborn little ego trip. He doesn’t get modern football, and yes, because of that he’s being out coached.

If you want to see it another way, that’s fine. I’ll respect your opinion. But that’s the way I see it.

by Since79 on Oct 8, 2010 10:37 PM PDT reply actions  

You coached??? On the NFL level? Come on man you are just reaching for something to bitch about, because the team is losing.

you’re frustrated and you need to get over it. This team was outcoached in 1 game and that was against the Chiefs. in the other games our players were outplayed and didn’t make any plays to close the game out. Westbrook’s strength is nto carrying the football, it’s screen passes and routes out of the backfield and slot position. Westbrook is not like LT, he has never been a consistent threat between the tackles. Radical things need to be avaoided at 0-4, simply because you don’t want your team see you panic, because they will definitely unravel. You need to take a pill and realize there are 12 games left to be played and no stretch of four games were as tough as this one.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 9, 2010 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

You kill me dude
Anyone watching the Seattle game from the second quarter on, would see the we were out coached.
Half time adjustments — we’re out coached.
And I can tell you from watching the game that at a certain point in 3 of the 4 games the other teams began to adjust to what we were doing on both offense and defense and we did NOT make counter adjustments. So yes, we were out coached.

You’ve got the phrase ‘outcoached’ down to a science.

What you STILL haven’t done is to give me some EXAMPLES of the 49ers being outcoached.

Perhaps you missed my earlier post:


In the Seattle game, both teams had 14 first downs.
Seattle out rushed SF by only 28 yards.
SF outpassed Seattle by 55 yards.

All close totals. Almost the exact same. The biggest difference was in the two INT’s by SF (as opposed to one by Seattle) and those big plays I mentioned earlier.

How can a team be ‘outcoached’ when the stat lines are almost identical?
Can you answer that one?

by GeoMak on Oct 9, 2010 12:04 AM PDT reply actions  

How can a team be ‘outcoached’ when the stat lines are almost identical?

You just answered your own question! Look at the players’ stats and look at the score!

PS: I NEVER said I coached in the NFL! OMG! But when you coach high school certain elemental things are learned about coaching. There are obvious mental and strategic things to avoid. Such as, since you want examples, Geo:

Being stubborn and insisting your past ideas about how to win are going to win in the future, being blind to the weakness of your personnel, sticking to a game plan when the game plan isn’t working, sticking with a QB week after week when that QB is losing games for you on his own, not getting good players enough playing time to keep them motivated, calling totally predictable plays against a decent opposing coach, not making the right half time adjustments, not helping a kid with a learning disability by giving him private tutoring and extra attention and care (especially, in this case, since you spent a draft pick on him), not knowing how to read each of your players psychologically because you only have one narrow way of communicating, and not being able to keep up with the offensive and defensive trends that are winning games for other teams.

These weaknesses are Singletary’s weaknesses. They have shown up clearly by now, and they’ve shown up too often. What’s worse is that he’s not changing, he’s not growing. He’s imitating Ditka instead of Walsh in a way. But Walsh outfoxed Ditka and out coached him, didn’t he? So then why not learn from both? Singletary has no Walsh in him. He wants us to be the damn Bears, and that’s not going to cut it in SF or in the NFL.

So that’s why he will be fired. And Smith will be gone. And my only point is if that’s what’s going to happen, and I feel very strongly it will, why not do it sooner thatn later.

Riott, you talk about the team unraveling if we fire the coach, I think the team will unravel if we don’t. Maybe their doomed either way, but the only chance I see of turning this team around for good is if we hire a really good well-established coach to come in before this season is over, keep the other coaches around, and assess them and the players physically and psychologically so he knows who he’s got — not just on film but on the field. As an ex-coach I would hate to take over a totally new team and not know any of the guys, who I could trust, who the real leaders were, who the divas were, who knew how to study film, understand the playbook (or new plays) quickly, how they practiced, etc.

I would want to see that for myself and then would be far more prepared to start the next season with that information.

So far from being pissed at 0-4, or intending to kill you Geo, and I do hope you’re still alive I am actually, as a fan, trying to express my views. Which of course is my right in this kind of forum. Dude.

In my opinion, you guys aren’t doing the team any good by sticking with the ones who are ruining the team and holding them back from being great. Smith and Singletary are gone. The timing is debatable, but the writing is on the wall for both of them. The question is only when, and who will replace them and turn this team around.

Because right now, every time Smith takes the field I just shake my head and wonder how he’s going to blow this one. And every time Singletary says things like “Smith had a decent game” — against the Chiefs? — it makes me realize the guy is stuck. He doesn’t see an alternative, he anointed the guy his QBOTF, and actually may be stupid enough to believe he still is.

Otherwise, why be stubborn about the cold facts, why not try other guys who can at least manage the game a little better, or take a shot with Davis and prove to him that he’s still a viable member of the team, and not just a kid waiting to be picked off of the PSquad?

I’m even willing to see why we signed Carr and let him play. I think he’ll suck, but maybe we should give him a chance for a game before going to Troy Smith and Davis. We need to see what we have and don’t have and get rid of the guys who can’t get it done.

Singletary might be able to fix a defense, or tweak it to get it better, but he seems to have no grasp of the offense at all. He wants to run in a league where passing wins games more often than running up the middle does. Makes no flippin’ sense to me, unless you’re doing it temporarily until you find a decent QB who can actually not lose games passing the ball. But if that’s the case, than GO FIND A QB! Don’t make the guy the captain of your team!!!!! THAT’S BAD COACHING, DUDE.

by Since79 on Oct 9, 2010 10:35 AM PDT reply actions  

use the reply button for 1.

2) No one hires a new HC in the middle of the season. 3) if you hire a new HC he will want to pick ihis own staff. 4) Mike’s philosophy was never the problem, the problem was the OL and execution. 5) he just changed his coordiantors, are you paying attention. 6) it’s rlott#42 not riot, WTF? 7) how many times does it need to be said he will not bash his Qb in a presser, is any of this registering? 8) If you remember the way Singletary was in the beginning vs now and to say he hasn’t changed makes your observations less believable. You do not see Sing the entire game I don’t care what channel you are watching, you have no idea what changes are being made. And chill with the bears reference, simply because that is who he played for, is blinding your opionion.

Teams that use and execute Sing’s philosophy

Ny jets, Falcons, ravens, Vikings, redskns, cowboys win when they do, Bengals of last year and not this year, Chiefs, Dolphins, and the Steelers.

These teams have had exceptional OL’s for years becaue they actually had a regime put them in place. Our OL is young but improving and so is our offense. Sit back watch and wait, Sing will not lose his job to another coach this season. that is just dumb to think it’s the way to go.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST: there is no Bill Walsh and nothing like himin the league today, let go of the glory days with your spoiled ass.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 9, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Unreasonable haste is the direct road to error

[Singletary] will be fired. And Smith will be gone. And my only point is if that’s what’s going to happen, and I feel very strongly it will, why not do it sooner than later.

You may well be right about the coach’s and QB’s prospects. But I think there’s a good argument for waiting for the season to end and installing new leadership in an orderly manner.

You’ll recall, no doubt, that Singletary was promoted in the midst of a losing season. As assistant coach, he already had had an opportunity to observe the players’ character and habits, yet he did not lead them to instant success. I suppose you’ll say that’s because he was the wrong choice. Recall that the timing of Nolan’s firing gave the front office limited time to interview and evaluate candidates. Under the circumstances, I think promoting from within was an obvious move to get someone who inspired a degree of confidence. But here we are, with a coach who was unprepared for the roll and still doesn’t seem to have caught on.

If the Niners wait for the off-season, they’ll have the opportunity to consider a broader field of candidates. Maybe that will include some veteran coaches who have parted ways with their current teams or have left coaching temporarily and are ready to return. They will have a chance to choose among free-agent quarterbacks (if there is still free agency) and QBs in the draft. Those players who still have confidence in Singletary will not be made bitter by what they would consider a premature firing. Potentially (that is, if the decision makers do their job well), the team will be in a better position next year and in the years to follow.

How can a team be ‘outcoached’ when the stat lines are almost identical?

Unless I’m mistaken, the object is to score more points than the opposition, not to approximate their yardage. You may point to big plays that made the difference. But occasional big plays are part of the game, a part that has been missing from the 49ers’ offense. In any case, through four games, they are near the bottom of the league in both yardage (23rd) and scoring (31st).

by silverjay on Oct 9, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Edit

unprepared for the role*

Unreasonable haste is the direct road to error.--Moliere

by silverjay on Oct 9, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

AGAIN - - - FOR THE FINAL TIME!

And yes, I am ‘yelling now’ with caps:

Tell me HOW they were ‘outcoached’ in Seattle, OK? You have YET to do that (you keep saying they were outcoached and yet, you CANNOT explain or define it).

This, from you, is complete NONSENSE:

You just answered your own question! Look at the players’ stats and look at the score!

Hilarious. I’ve already explained this to you. I’ll try again. Oftentimes in the NFL, the stat line is close and yet ONE team has to win, right?

Unless there’s a tie, ONE team has to win. And often by a large margin. And that doesn’t mean they were outcoached. Quite the contrary. It usually means one team made more BIG PLAYS than the other team.

That’s what happened in Seattle. For example, Alex Smith had a wide open TD pass to Norris, which he overthrew. Was that being ‘outcoached.’ No, actually it was good coaching to design a play that left Norris wide open.

Alex missed the pass. It happens. Joe Flacco did the SAME thing against the Jets the following evening.

You make no sense.

by GeoMak on Oct 9, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly if you look at it closely, Norris took a bad angle, i think Smih threw it right and Norris took the wrong approach to the catch.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 9, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

That could definitely be

Either way it was a golden opportunity down the drain.

by GeoMak on Oct 9, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

No question about that

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 9, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've seen it

It was one or the other. Norris wasn’t running where Smith threw it.

Bring Briggs Back!!!

by bignerd on Oct 9, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

aggressive defense

One way in which they were outcoached (and this could go on Manusky’s shoulders) was that the 49ers were overplaying the Seahawks receivers to try and get some picks (particularly after the first one). Hasselbeck said he spoke with the coaches and they made adjustments and managed several TDs because of the overly aggressive 49ers DBs. 49ers needed to make an adjustment and didn’t.

by David Fucillo on Oct 9, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with that

but I look at it a little differently. Of course, I’m the first to admit that I don’t watch tape and essentially know nothing when compared to coaches and players.

I think I read where Hasselbeck said they noticed Clements being overly agressive during their preparations during the week and would try to use that to their advantage.

And they did just that. To me that’s good coaching in taking advantage of a player’s tendencies. While that may be defined as ‘outcoaching’ I think of outcoaching more like the K. C. game.

Charlie Weis kept running the ball and throwing screen passes which SF was unable to stop. It was play design and playcalls throught the game that Manusky never could stop. K.C rushed for 207 yards that game.

It reminded me of the SB with the Bears/Colts. During that season the Bears allowed 99 yards of rushing per game. In the SB the Colts doubled that (199 yards). Manning sliced and diced the Bears with runs and screen passes/short passes. He rarely went downfield at all during that game.

Ron Rivera and the Bears defense never did anything to adjust (like maybe Blitz) Manning the entire game. The Bears just sat back and letting Manning dissect them.

Again, not disagreeing with you but that’s more what I think of in regards to being outcoached.

by GeoMak on Oct 10, 2010 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

failure to execute adjustments.....being outplayed

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 10, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are assuming they didn't

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 10, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep...

49ers also had a 4th and 1 but a delay of game penalty cost them a down that led to the second FG. The 49ers still had a shot before the half. The offense was brutal after that, and the defense bad.

The SF 49ers: It's FAIL, done better

by drummer on Oct 10, 2010 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Singletary has struggled in his first seasons, as could have been reasonably expected,

but I think he is smarter in some ways than a lot of people realize. I have a feeling that he is good at subterfuge and is actually stashing Nate Davis on the practice squad until Davis is actually ready to play. I think he publicly criticized Davis’s work ethic to make Davis appear less desirable to other coaches (in a football sense, that is), likely with Davis being in on the con. Davis is now safe on the PS, and in a year or two, has the skills and mindset to start. Singletary is good at misdirection and “art of war” type strategy. His tactics might not always be the best, but his longer-term planning is excellent, imo. This is my latest conspiracy theory. Ask Jimmy Raye about it.

Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?

by kinglouie33 on Oct 9, 2010 11:29 AM PDT reply actions  

he is stashing nate davis, i cannot believe people don't see it. he gave him a kick inth ebutt and stashed him.

Basically, Alex would have been looking over his shoulder at nate.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 9, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

So...

Can someone do some math for me? I think Nolan coached for 3 full seasons. Singletary coached only one. Outside of a few games, wouldn’t 3 full seasons mean more games coached than one full season?

So, how can someone argue winning percentage without considering this?

LOL, why doesn’t this surprise me?

The SF 49ers: It's FAIL, done better

by drummer on Oct 10, 2010 4:13 AM PDT reply actions  

So I suppose no one should ever be compared to anyone else

Because any two people have had different experiences. Everyone gets that you don’t like this post. Give it a rest.

by Andrew9erfan on Oct 10, 2010 6:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

So is this your answer?..

why doesn’t this also surprise me?

The SF 49ers: It's FAIL, done better

by drummer on Oct 10, 2010 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not to mention, it really isn't fair to compare Singletary and Nolan, nolan had his hand in his team's drafting, Singletary doesn't. maybe in 2010's draft but not 2009.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 10, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

To take over a Franchise in turmoil..

without any experience in any of his job descriptions is quite a daunting task for even experienced football people who has a poor FO structure to begin with. That’s why comparing Nolan to Singletary is a reach, period. If anybody wnats to make that comparison, then they should at least give the proper context. To not do that is obfuscating reality.

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by drummer on Oct 10, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

You make the comparison quite often, unless it's someone else saying Nolan era all over again.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 10, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well..

you even said it yourself when it comes to McBooFoo.

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by drummer on Oct 10, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Said what exactly??

We are in a disagreement on what we would like to see happen with Singletary, so please explain.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 10, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, fi you can't follw a conversation..

that you really can’t start one.

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by drummer on Oct 10, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I follow just fine your response was to a more broad subject than this reply from your statement.

Once again, we have a failure to communicate.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 10, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes it does mean it's more games coached in 3 seasons.

It can easily be argued because people are asking for the HC to be removed before his 3rd full season. And on top of that, the Singletary era was compared to the Nolan era. While the team is relatively the same, besides the better draft picks under 1 regime.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 10, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really?...

Singletary has the same team Nolan had in 2005 and 2006? Eric Johnson is still on the team? Tim Rattay hiding somewhere?

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by drummer on Oct 10, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you have trouble comprehending English?

Never said 2005/2006.

All I ever said was:

1. He inherited the EXACT SAME team in 2008.
2. The core of the team Mike Singletary inherited in 2008 is pretty much the same as 2006/2007. Notice the word CORE.

Have someone explain these concepts to you, as you obviously struggle GREATLY with this simple concept.

by GeoMak on Oct 10, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

language

Honestly I simply think it’s people cherry-picking things to suit their argument (on all sides). If I had to guess, I’d say rlott#42 really means the end of the Nolan era, while drummer is interpreting “Nolan era” as including all that time before.

Yes Singletary inherited the same team, but rlott’s comment covers the entire era in which there have been dramatic changes.

by David Fucillo on Oct 10, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's compare

We’re trying to discuss the different cores of the 49ers so let’s look at them:

2006
Offense
WR 83 Arnaz Battle (15)
LT 75 Jonas Jennings (13)
LG 71 Larry Allen (11)
C 66 Eric Heitmann (14)
RG 65 Justin Smiley (16)
RT 77 Kwame Harris (16)
TE 85 Vernon Davis (8)/
 47 Billy Bajema (6)
WR 81 Antonio Bryant (11)
QB 11 Alex Smith (16)
RB 21 Frank Gore (16)
FB 40 Moran Norris (7)

Defense
LE 97 Bryant Young (16)
DT 93 Ron Fields (9)
DT 91 Anthony Adams (5)
DE 94 Marques Douglas (16)
RE 96 Melvin Oliver (14)
LB 56 Brandon Moore (11)
LB 50 Derek Smith (12)
LB 99 Manny Lawson (11)
LCB 36 Shawntae Spencer (13)
RCB 27 Walt Harris (15)
SS 26 Mark Roman (11)/
 33 Tony Parrish (5)
FS 28 Keith Lewis (9)/
 20 Mike Adams (8)2008

2007
Offense
WR 83 Arnaz Battle (15)
LT 75 Jonas Jennings (13)
LG 71 Larry Allen (11)
C 66 Eric Heitmann (14)
WR 83 Arnaz Battle (15)
LT 68 Adam Snyder (11)/
   75 Jonas Jennings (5)
LG 71 Larry Allen (16)
 C 66 Eric Heitmann (16)
RG 65 Justin Smiley (8)/
   64 David Baas (8)
RT 74 Joe Staley (16)
TE 85 Vernon Davis (14)
WR 82 Darrell Jackson (15)
QB 11 Alex Smith (7)/
   12 Trent Dilfer (6)
RB 21 Frank Gore (15)
FB 40 Moran Norris (5)

Defense
LE 97 Bryant Young (15)
DT 92 Aubrayo Franklin (13)/
   90 Isaac Sopoaga (3)
DE 94 Marques Douglas (16)
LOLB 98 Parys Haralson (11)
LILB 50 Derek Smith (14)
RILB 52 Patrick Willis (16)
ROLB 95 Tully Banta-Cain (10)
LCB 22 Nate Clements (16)
RCB 27 Walt Harris (15)
SS 32 Michael Lewis (16)
FS 26 Mark Roman (16)

by David Fucillo on Oct 10, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

2006 has nothing to do with what I said, you were right, i should have worded it differently.

However, from 2008 to presen there hasn’t been much change in the team. Singletary and this Gm have had one draft withou McBooFoo, and who brouht in that guy?

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 10, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with bringing in Singletary.

The guy utilizing draft picks had an utter fail. At least the recent picks have made since going forward. nolan or McBooFoo made consistent whiffs with 1st rounders. Aside from Willis, they failed.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 10, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm sure you were saying this..

after every draft.

riot….

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by drummer on Oct 10, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I was, any draft in particular you want to discuss?

It’s rlott#42, wait I have told you before, this would be you being childish again, are you drunk? it is game day.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 10, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't you read this board?..

I’m drinking coffee, and I’m sure if I read a riot post somewhere else, it would just as inane as this post. I’m not sure what your excuse is for posting like you do, but I’m guessing it has nothing to do with alcohol. It has more to do with paint chips.

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by drummer on Oct 10, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Paint chips not even funny. Sad choice i would say.

I don’t understand why you post the way you do you twist and urn so many threads into a spiral of “what was the pont?”

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 10, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's see here..

Aside from Willis, they failed.

Vernon Davis anybody?

Reading a riot post is like seeing a wall of graffiti tags. You then realize why they don’t let kids buy spray paint.

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by drummer on Oct 10, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

2 out of 3 years, yeah pat your self on the back for that one dildo.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 11, 2010 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey look, riot posted again..

Someone’s garage door needs a fresh coat of paint.

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by drummer on Oct 11, 2010 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

He and dumber keep going back and forth.

Dumber likes to paint with his hands and only eats finger food.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 11, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

You have paint on your nose..

and you don’t have very many brain cells left. Maybe an intervention is in order for you.

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by drummer on Oct 11, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Still a double count above you. beer and lead apint.

Ohhh the possibilities.

Damn you Montana and Young, your success has spoiled a great percentage of our fan base into speculative rants and raves and pure denial of reality.

rlott#42

by rlott#42 on Oct 12, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're trying to shoehorn 55 games to 29..

while again, not at least trying to speculate what Singletary would have done if he was the HC, GM , and a whole lot of other things post Terry Donahue. You see, that’s a more accurate picture than trying to cherry pick situations.

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by drummer on Oct 10, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nolan's last season was 2006?

Relatively doesn’t mean exact….I have a dictionary.

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 10, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

GeoMak5!!!!

GGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOMak5!!!!!!

Still living in fantasyland?

Singletary is getting fired, time to deal with reality!

Staring at 0-5, yeah lets keep this clown around a little longer!

Dream on!

by Zero_X on Oct 10, 2010 8:15 PM PDT reply actions  

+1

Well, Geo, I guess Alex and Singletary just ran into more hard luck tonight. Not their fault. Never their fault.

I say, let’s give them another chance, eh what? I mean, what’s the rush. In fact, let’s see the glass as half full and give them a whole lot more chances. Maybe a few more seasons. Why not? In fact, fill your glass half full again tonight, bud and swig it down. You’re gonna need it.

Sadly, we may even be outplayed and out-coached by the Raiders next week, which would make me completely ill. I hate those morons. But at this point, we may be the bigger moron.

By the way, Geo, when Smith and Singletary are fired, will you go with them? I mean if you really believe what you write it seems to me you should take your faith in them wherever they may lead. And keep seeing all those half full glasses when we kick their asses out the door.

Meanwhile, if Singletary is such a good head coach, tell me again why he couldn’t hire an offensive coordinator that would allow Shaun Hill to play up to his potential? The guy is lighting it up in Detroit — not exactly a great team there. I always liked Shaun. He could at least manage a game. The players saw him as a leader. He wouldn’t average 2 picks a game like Alex is doing (worst in the league by the way). But I mean. all those tipped balls. Not fair, those stupid stats. I know, I know.

And tell me why Alex Smith was anointed future King and no other QB was allowed to even touch the ball in the last two meaningless games of the season last year? Tell me why that was smart? Other than Sing saving his own butt and raising his half full glass that we were an amazing 8-8. WOW. Yippie. Ya think we can go 8-8 again this year? Wouldn’t that give us hope? Well, we can always dream those big dreams I guess.

Meanwhile, please forgive me for being rude in your world, but Singletary has no idea how to coach an offense. And Smith has no idea how to lead one.

So it’s bye bye both, the sooner the better. “I hope some day you’ll join us . . .” as John was wrote.

by Since79 on Oct 10, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hill nonsense

I realize you’re making a larger point, but I think you need to take it easy in that Hill paragraph. I’ll give Megatron and Best a bit more credit.

by David Fucillo on Oct 10, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, I cannot believe Sing and Alex can take on an entire team and staff and lose by 3.

What about Gore and his fumbles? Tipped balls are often on the lineman, in blitz pick ups they are suppose to get after defenders hands, but hey Alex did it. Smith wasn’t anoited future King. When did he have a legitimate chance to start being the QB of the future? Maybe it was the 3rd offense in the 3rd season, nah that can’t be it, maybe it was this year, when we had to see what he had. We had to give SMith this season, and Shaun Hill, effected our offense more last year. he didn’t throw picks, but itno last season he wasn’t winning games either. Those two games needed to be played by Alex, he only played 11 games total. We seen in pre-season that Nate wasn’t ready.

i suggest you fet control of yourself, I hate the record too, but life is not over. GEEZ!!

Sing is no dumber or smarter a HC if Clements doesn’t fumble and/or Smith makes one less mistake yesterday. If this team had a better, not great just better, QB then they would be 3-1 and the perception of SIng and his staff would be different even though they are the same coaches doing the same thing. -SpurredOn...

by rlott#42 on Oct 11, 2010 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

wow

i was with you until you brought up shaun hill. i mean, really?

Alex Smith is garbage...

by redrum21225 on Oct 11, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since 79

Feel free to say something constructive and/or intelligent.

At anytime.

by GeoMak on Oct 12, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pot.Meet.Kettle

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by drummer on Oct 12, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I write nothing but

constructive and intelligent comments.

They just go over your head. Wonder why? Too funny.

by GeoMak on Oct 12, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Should start a Whisenhunt placeholder?..

his team beat NO at home.

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by drummer on Oct 12, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ditto Geo

You are trying to save the coaching career of someone who’s time is up. No way will he be our coach in 2011.

The question is, should we replace him before the end of the year, or wait and be tortured watching him fall apart and scream at his QB and yank him on national TV.

I’ve heard the arguments against replacing a coach mid-year, the best one being that more good coaches will become available at the end of the year. This is very true.

Other than that, I think the argument for hiring someone else mid-year and letting him get to know the players and the present coaches in game situations is the best idea. It would be my vote, IF we can find the COTF. Not just a temporary fix. Who that might be is anyone’s guess. But if the organization can find the guy they want mid-year, I say, bring him on now.

by Since79 on Oct 12, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hysterical

You kill me dude.

Fire a guy after less than two seasons? A guy who came into this season above .500 with group of players who were .327 under the previous HC?

You’re kidding, right?

I mean, do you honestly think the NFL is full of great and excellent HC"s, just not in SF?

Get a CLUE dude!

The Cowboys and Vikings were expected to go deep in the playoffs this season.
They are both 1-3.

I mean, do you know ANYTHING about pro fottball? ANYTHING?

I could go on . . . but it’ll just go over your head.

by GeoMak on Oct 12, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah..

both the Cowboys and the Vikings will be looking for new Head Coaches in the offseason along with the 49ers. Hell, Phillips might not make it past mid-season.

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by drummer on Oct 12, 2010 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless those teams come back

and post a winning record.

After all, there are 11, 12 games left in the season.

Apparently some people think the season only lasts 4 or 5 games. Those that know nothing, of course, about the NFL.

by GeoMak on Oct 12, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

We're aware of the sched..

This is a football site, and if you’re objective is to call others idiots, well pot calling kettle black.

See how easy it is?

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by drummer on Oct 12, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't call anyone an idiot, drummer

You just prove to me, with incessant critical comments about me, that you know NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL.

That’s all.

Don’t feel bad. You’re not alone. I know a few girls who know nothing either.

by GeoMak on Oct 13, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look at the Saints and Chargers.

Damn you Montana and Young, your success has spoiled a great percentage of our fan base into speculative rants and raves and pure denial of reality.

rlott#42

by rlott#42 on Oct 12, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Payton ain't going nowhere..

He got NO a ring. That’s like Hell freezing over.

Turner? Yeah, he is on the Hot Seat IMO. But the is always on it anyway. The seat gets colder in December.

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by drummer on Oct 12, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not saying a coach is going anywhere. Just saying there are a lot of teams under performing.

Damn you Montana and Young, your success has spoiled a great percentage of our fan base into speculative rants and raves and pure denial of reality.

rlott#42

by rlott#42 on Oct 12, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gotcha.

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by drummer on Oct 12, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can we list coaches on the hot seat?

Wade Philliips
Norv Turner?
Tom Cable?
Jeff Fisher (but people always think he’s on the hot seat yet he manages to hang on)
Marvin Lewis
Eric Mangini?
Jack Del Rio
Brad Childress?

What about hot OCs?
Jason Garret (but he’s next in line for the Dallas head coach job so no way he leaves there)
Mike McCoy (Maybe McDaniels pisses him off and he wants to leave)
Joe Philbin (Green Bay)
Charlie Weis (Didn’t he just start with the Chiefs?)
Cam Cameron (Miami Dolphins)

I just don’t know who’s out there.

by smileyman on Oct 13, 2010 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say Weiss, but his QB is on a volcano.

i don’t see any coaches out there. I mean coaches that want to coach. Cowher could be a choice, but he would have to have a disciple of dick leBeau to be competitive.

Damn you Montana and Young, your success has spoiled a great percentage of our fan base into speculative rants and raves and pure denial of reality.

rlott#42

by rlott#42 on Oct 13, 2010 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh I don't think I made myself clear

I wasn’t meaning to imply that the OC’s I listed are on the hot seat—just that they might be good candidates for a HC job if the Yorks decide to fire Singletary (which I hope they don’t).

by smileyman on Oct 13, 2010 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

The main reason to fire Sing goes back to Nolan...

both are defensive coaches. The difference between them? One has actually coached defense as an coordinator, and still does. Add the Admin part to that too.

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by drummer on Oct 13, 2010 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is no reason to fire a coach (being a defensive one)

The one that coached with coordinator experience, has the worst record, and yes he had more crap on the team, but the defense got better the same season, so being a coordinator doesn’t translate into being a better coach.

Damn you Montana and Young, your success has spoiled a great percentage of our fan base into speculative rants and raves and pure denial of reality.

rlott#42

by rlott#42 on Oct 13, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

True..

but not having experience as one doesn’t help one become a good one either.

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by drummer on Oct 13, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Singletary is a defensive coach?

In the sense of being able to draw up defensive game plans, and having a sharp mind for that side of the game?

What evidence is there for such a conjecture?

by Ronaldinho on Oct 13, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, well there's that.

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by drummer on Oct 13, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Save the career? LOL

Someone who’s time is up? Hi Jed….

No one does that with coaches, it doesn’t happen are you high? Simply because you feel that is the best way to go about a coaching change, is the reason i look at your comments and wonder the same thing Geomak is saying…..I’m just sayin’

Damn you Montana and Young, your success has spoiled a great percentage of our fan base into speculative rants and raves and pure denial of reality.

rlott#42

by rlott#42 on Oct 12, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

this sucks

i hate this because i really liked sing as a player, but yes, his time is up in SF. i pray that one of the Gods of the major religions removes the yorks from ownership of this team.

Alex Smith is garbage...

by redrum21225 on Oct 11, 2010 8:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Shaun Hill has looked damn good the last three weeks

I’ve been very impressed with him as a back up QB

My point was, we should have kept him and not signed Carr.

by Since79 on Oct 12, 2010 12:18 AM PDT reply actions  

the little red button lower right side of the post that spells r-e-p-l-y is your friend.

Reply button meet since79, since79 meet the reply button.

Damn you Montana and Young, your success has spoiled a great percentage of our fan base into speculative rants and raves and pure denial of reality.

rlott#42

by rlott#42 on Oct 12, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

yep, forgot

But at least now you know where I was coming from.

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