49ers Quarterly Statistical Report: I. Overall & Offense
AUTHOR'S NOTE: Good news! This is going to be a condensed version of the statistical report because we're only 4 games into the season. That means we're talking about really small sample sizes for most of the advanced stats I rely on. There's a lot of football left to be played this season, so many of the 49ers' stats that suck now will be better later, and several of the few that don't suck now will be worse later. All in all, it's best not to jump to conclusions this early, so I won't. Lucky for you, this means a Florida Danny post of non-dissertation length! You're welcome.
Hey everyone...So, coming into this season, I had this bright idea. How about making my in-season DVOA articles a quarterly feature instead of a weekly feature? I mean, after all, team statistics don't change much from week to week, and it's probably easier for you guys to read one long stats article per month than one per week - that is, if you read them at all. Therefore, for the rest of the season - and for as long as Fooch keeps me around - that's what we're going to do. Hence, our not-so-new, new feature, the 49ers Quarterly Statistical Report.
For those of you who discovered our site during the offseason, the basic format of these posts is that I describe the 49ers' performance via a cornucopia of advanced statistics that have been developed and disseminated by Football Outsiders (FO). The main statistic I rely on is FO's defense-adjusted value over average (DVOA)*, which is a much simpler statistic than it sounds. The Cliff's Notes explanation is that every offensive play in the NFL can be classified as either successful or unsuccessful. Previous statistical studies have determined what the definition of "success" is given down, distance, and game situation. If you count up the successes, and divide by the total number of offensive plays, you have a team's offensive success rate, or "value." Compare that value to the league average, and you have "value over average." Adjust that value-over-average to account for the fact that teams run plays against defenses of varying quality, and you have "defense-adjusted value over average," or DVOA. Thus, DVOA is just a team's play-by-play success rate compared to the average NFL team against the average NFL opponent.
The only other thing you need to know about DVOA to understand it is that, as it's based on the success of offensive plays, above average offensive (and special teams) DVOAs are positive, whereas above average defensive DVOAs are negative (i.e., the defense is good at making opposing offenses unsuccessful). Therefore, a team's Total DVOA is the sum of its offensive, defensive, and special teams DVOAs, with an above average team having a positive Total DVOA. So, if I tell you that the Patriots' Total DVOA is 34.1%, this means their plays have been successful 34.1% more frequently than the average NFL team's plays have been against similar competition. In contrast, if I tell you that the Steelers' Defense DVOA is -22.9%, this means that their opponents' offensive plays have been successful 22.9% less frequently than the average NFL defense has allowed against similar offensive competition. Of course, DVOAs can be interpreted in this manner for any number of specific game situations, many of which I'll be detailing in these posts. If you'd like to learn more details about the development and interpretation of DVOA, you can read about it here.
So, with the re-introductions out of the way, let's delve into the stats.
After the jump, I'll report and discuss the 49ers' advanced overall and offensive stats through the first quarter of their 2010 season...
OVERALL TEAM RANKINGS
Here are the Niners' overall DVOA stats and rankings through 4 games, along with the degree to which they've changed since the end of last season (bold = top 8 in the NFL; italics = bottom 8):
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Games 1-4 |
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Last Season |
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Change |
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Statistic |
Value |
Rk |
Value |
Rk |
Value |
Rk |
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Total DVOA |
-31.7% |
28 |
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1.0% |
20 |
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-32.7% |
-8 |
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Offense DVOA |
-23.0% |
30 |
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-10.2% |
23 |
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-12.8% |
-7 |
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Defense DVOA |
3.4% |
19 |
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-11.8% |
3 |
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+15.2% |
-16 |
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Special Teams DVOA |
-5.3% |
28 |
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-0.6% |
19 |
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-4.7% |
-9 |
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DVOA Variance |
20.1% |
25 |
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10.3% |
8 |
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+9.8% |
-17 |
Just so we're on the same page here, the Niners' Offense DVOA of -23.0% means their offensive plays have been successful 23.0% less frequently than the average NFL offense's plays have been against similar defensive competition. In contrast, their Defense DVOA of 3.4% means their opponents' offensive plays have been successful 3.4% more frequently than the average NFL defense has allowed against similar offensive competition.
With that said, I think these overall stats pretty accurately illustrate the Niners' 0-4 start to the 2010 season, and suggest they're playing much less efficiently in all phases of the game than they were in 2009. That DVOA Variance statistic at the bottom of the table also indicates that they're playing much less consistently (aka more variably) on a game-to-game basis than they did last year, which I think also is an accurate reflection of the first 4 games: a blowout loss to a bad team, followed by a close loss to the defending champs, followed by a blowout loss to a descent team, followed by a close loss to a good team. With that kind of yo-yoing, you'd think Mike Singletary was walking the dog and rocking the cradle on the sidelines over the past 4 weeks.
What might surprise some of you - certainly not me given my comments in the Falcons' postgame thread - is that a dropoff in defensive success rate is arguably more to blame for the 0-4 start than the much-maligned offense. Granted, the offense has declined considerably as well. However, based on expectations coming into the season, the Niners' defense hasn't even come close to being the elite unit implicit in their reputation. Face it, we all know the offense has been - and still is - a subpar work in progress. We have minimal confidence in them; and for good reason. But the defense, that's a different story. They're supposed to be the bell cow of the team, not the bum steer; and as it stands through 4 games, each non-elite performance pushes the entire team closer and closer to the slaughterhouse. The question becomes, of course, what the heck's happened to the defense? I'll save that discussion for Part 2 of the quarterly report on Friday.
One final thing I'll mention is something most sports statisticians like to cite, and that's the difference between the team's expected win total and their actual win total. Without getting into the specifics, a team's expected win total tells you how many wins that team should have given their statistical profile. If a team has more expected wins than actual wins, it means that they've probably gotten unlucky to some degree or have lost an inordinate amount of close games (FYI...wins in close games is not predictive of future success whatsoever). In contrast, if a team has won more games than you'd expect from their stats, it means that they've probably gotten a bit lucky or have won an inordinate amount of close games.
The 49ers' expected wins through their first 4 games is 1.3, whereas their actual win total is - need I remind you - 0. In other words, they've won 1.3 fewer games than you'd expect from their DVOA performance thus far this season, which currently is the 3rd highest differential in the NFL; ranked only behind the Lions (-1.4) and the Cowboys (-1.4). The reason I bring this up is because, as any of you who read my post on predicting team wins will know, teams who underachieve their expected wins pretty reliably make up that difference in the future. Teams like the 49ers, who are playing better than their record indicates, tend to improve their actual win total as time goes on; until the point at which their actual and expected win total converge. Know hope.
OFFENSIVE RANKINGS - OVERALL
Now, let's turn to the offense. Here' how the offensive DVOA stats and rankings look overall and by type of play, as well as how they've changed from last season (bold = top 8 in the NFL; italics = bottom 8):
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Games 1-4 |
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Last Season |
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Change |
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Statistic |
Value |
Rk |
Value |
Rk |
Value |
Rk |
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Offense DVOA |
-23.0% |
30 |
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-10.2% |
23 |
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-12.8% |
-7 |
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Pass Offense DVOA |
-28.7% |
29 |
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-8.2% |
22 |
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-20.5% |
-7 |
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Run Offense DVOA |
2.3% |
14 |
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1.5% |
13 |
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+0.8% |
-1 |
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Offense DVOA Variance |
9.7% |
26 |
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3.8% |
3 |
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+5.9% |
-23 |
There's absolutely no mystery here. The pass offense decided to take the first 4 weeks off, and the DVOA punch clock accurately reflects their vacation time. Interestingly enough, if you look at the 49ers and the 3 teams below them in the Pass Offense DVOA rankings, all have taken immediate, drastic action to improve their situations. Namely, the 49ers fired their whatever-the-opposite-of-innovative-is offensive coordinator, the Vikings (#30) just traded for Randy Moss, while both the Cardinals (#31) and Panthers (#32) just benched their starting quarterbacks (QBs) in favor of rookie understudies. On one hand, it's nice to see that the Niners chose not to stay the course while Jimmy Raye helmed their ship straight into an iceberg. I'm reminded of 2007 when conjuring up a 49er-specific example of the opposite reaction. So, at the very least, we can rest assured that Singletary is no Nolan.
Although everyone's focus is on the Niners' pass offense failings, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the running-in-place run offense. Specifically, when comparing the 49ers' Run Offense DVOA thus far in 2010 to the same stat in 2009, we can see that drafting 2 maulers in the 1st round of the draft has barely registered any kind of impact. That's probably due to the fact that said maulers are mere pups learning the art of the hunt as they grow, as well as to the fact of Eric Heitmann's absence. It just stands to reason that, when a run offense relies so heavily on interior blocking, replacing a perennial starter at C with a perennial backup at G is probably going to make things a little worse. In any event, I simply bring attention to this because Heitmann's due back soon, and the rookies' learning curves are accelerated; so it'll be interesting to track this as the season progresses. I mean, if I come back to you after the 8th game with the same nothing-to-see-here Run Offense DVOA, the Niners Nation musings of myself and Bill Barnwell vis-à-vis minimal 1st-year impact from the 1st-round rookie OLs will start to become a little less prediction and a lot more reality. Please prove us wrong, guys.
Now, let's get back to the more pressing question on everyone's minds: "Why the massive decline in Pass Offense DVOA since last season?" For that, we need to look at the situational DVOA splits.
OFFENSIVE RANKINGS - DOWN SPLITS
Here are the offense's pass and run DVOAs by down (bold = top 8 in the NFL; italics = bottom 8):
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Games 1-4 |
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Last Season |
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Change |
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Statistic |
Value |
Rk |
Value |
Rk |
Value |
Rk |
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1st Down |
-22.8% |
29 |
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-9.5% |
24 |
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-13.3% |
-5 |
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1st-Down Pass |
-46.3% |
31 |
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-7.2% |
25 |
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-39.1% |
-6 |
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1st-Down Run |
28.9% |
4 |
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-3.3% |
18 |
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+32.2% |
+14 |
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2nd Down |
-6.6% |
19 |
-23.9% |
32 |
+17.3% |
+13 |
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2nd-Down Pass |
9.9% |
15 |
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-35.0% |
32 |
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+44.9% |
+17 |
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2nd-Down Run |
-8.4% |
17 |
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3.2% |
15 |
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-11.6% |
-2 |
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3rd Down |
-64.2% |
32 |
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5.9% |
16 |
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-70.1% |
-16 |
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3rd-Down Pass |
-62.1% |
30 |
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14.2% |
17 |
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-76.3% |
-13 |
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3rd-Down Run |
-24.1% |
24 |
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11.3% |
17 |
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-35.4% |
-7 |
And here are the offesnse's DVOA down splits by distance (Short = 0-3 yards; Mid = 4-6 yards; Long = 7+ yards):
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Games 1-4 |
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Last Season |
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Change |
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Statistic |
Value |
Rk |
Value |
Rk |
Value |
Rk |
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1st Down |
-22.8% |
29 |
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-9.5% |
24 |
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-13.3% |
-5 |
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2nd Down |
-6.6% |
19 |
-23.9% |
32 |
+17.3% |
+13 |
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2nd & Short |
-20.9% |
25 |
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-18.0% |
28 |
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-2.1% |
+3 |
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2nd & Mid |
18.2% |
9 |
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-1.6% |
18 |
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+19.8% |
+9 |
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2nd & Long |
-10.5% |
20 |
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-34.6% |
31 |
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+24.1% |
+11 |
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3rd Down |
-64.2% |
32 |
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5.9% |
16 |
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-70.1% |
-16 |
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3rd & Short |
-3.4% |
20 |
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48.0% |
3 |
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-51.4% |
-17 |
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3rd & Mid |
-227.3% |
32 |
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-9.7% |
19 |
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-217.6% |
-13 |
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3rd & Long |
-68.4% |
28 |
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-43.5% |
26 |
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-24.9% |
-2 |
To the untrained eye, these tables simply tells us that the Niners' pass offense has been absolute garbage on 1st and 3rd downs, and that any 3rd down longer than 3 yards spells doom. While those things certainly are true, and there's a bevy of potential explanations for them, I think a more general statistical point might help to illuminate one major reason why the offense is seemingly underachieving our expectations.
Here's a little secret for those of you who don't peruse the seedy underbelly of NFL stat sites. One robust phenomenon that FO has found in their research is that 3rd-down success has this uncanny knack for putting lipstick on a pig. What I mean is that bad offenses can look competent simply because they're able to convert 3rd downs successfully after being unsuccessful on 1st and 2nd down. Generally speaking, offenses that fit this profile are unable to duplicate their 3rd down success the following season, and so their makeup gets washed away to reveal the pig that's been there all along. Meet the 2009 and 2010 San Francisco 49ers' offense. As you can see, Shaun Hill, Alex Smith, Raye, and company were in the bottom quartile of 2009 NFL pass offenses on 1st and 2nd down, but covered that up with above average success on 3rd down. Low and behold, they haven't been able to duplicate that - successful 75% less frequently!!! - and so 2009's Spider-Ham has been unmasked to reveal Peter Porker in 2010. Similarly, the 2009 unit was a Top 5 offense in terms of success rate on 3rd & Short, which masked a downright-ugly success rate on 2nd & Short; and, what do you know, they're successful over 50% less frequently on 3rd & Short this season while their success on 2nd & Short has remained essentially unchanged from its abysmal status in 2009.
Now, I know some of you might find that to be an underwhelming explanation; and it probably is to some degree. By no means am I saying that this explains everything that's gone wrong with the pass offense through 4 games. Heck, it probably doesn't even explain most of what's gone wrong. However, I'd argue that it does explain some of it, and this is definitely an under-the-radar phenomenon that I'm sure none of you have considered. I'll leave the "Alex Smith sucks more than a Bissell" and "Nate Davis is our future" commentary to others. I'm the stats guy here, so it's my job to tell you some explanation you didn't already know or hadn't heard 100 times already in the spectacular non-stats discussion threads we have on our site.
BOTTOM LINE
Woah! That's it? ‘Fraid so. Pretty much all of the other advanced stats I cover in these things have woefully small sample sizes at the moment. For instance, how can we evaluate the OL statistically when the Niners have fewer than 10 runs thus far in all directions besides up-the-middle and behind-right-tackle? How can we evaluate what kind of effect game venue has on the Niners' offensive stats when they've only run 58 plays at home so far? The fact is that, from a statistical perspective, we can't. Or, at least, I'm not dumb enough to do it, and then compound the error by posting bogus conclusions on the interwebs for all to see. Don't worry, though. After Game 8, I'll be back with my usual, exhaustive assortment of situational splits and advanced OL stats. In the meantime, here's what you should take away from the offense's first quarterly statistical report:
- The 49ers currently have the 5th-worst play success rate in the NFL, but...
- Even with a success rate that bad, they still should have a better record than 0-4, which means...
- They're bound to get lucky here or there, and perhaps win a close game or 4 before the season ends.
- When complaining about how sorry this team is, don't forget that the defense is just as - if not, more - to blame than the offense. We already knew the offense wasn't great. We thought the defense would be. Expectation is a helluva drug!
- While the run offense cruises along at a similar success rate to last year, the pass offense has nosedived...
- One overlooked, non-Alex-Smith-sucks reason for that nosedive is their inability to duplicate the above-average passing success on 3rd down that they enjoyed last season...
- It's too early to reach a verdict on the impact of drafting Anthony Davis and Mike Iupati. If the Niners' 2010 run offense continues to resemble the 2009 version - at least, statistically - after Heitmann's return and the rookies' maturation, then we can start worrying.
*DVOA statistics used to produce this article were obtained from Football Outsiders.
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Johnny Miller made a comment...
During a broadcast about Tiger Woods, and some incredible breaks he has on shots:
“The harder you practice, the luckier you get.”
In other words, you make you’re own luck. In the 49ers case, that luck has been bad luck, and really lands on them.
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You're right it lands right on them
And all over them. It just keep flying at them from all directions. you would think they were in a monkey cage.
And yet there's that old lady who hit a hole in one
The more times you do anything, the more “he got lucky” highlights you’ll produce. The more times I play poker, the more times I’ll get a straight flush.
There’s “hard won” luck and there’s “pull it outta your behind” luck. I’m not saying the 49ers have had solely random bad luck (blocked FG comes to mind), as they’ve certainly had plenty of “stupidly lost” bad luck (i.e. late throws & poor ball security). But let’s at least try to pretend that both happen and there’s often a gray area.
Trust me, learning english isn’t a waste of time. It is actually sort of useful.
-randolphforpresident
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 6, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Well..
I dunno, maybe the opposition was luckier than the 49ers because the good luck was on their side?
What Miller was really saying is the the hard work Tiger put’s into his game pays off. If it’s “dumb luck” for the 49ers on the bad side of it, then maybe they should work on getting the good side of luck, instead of making some real costly mistakes.
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You make your own luck...
…is an utterly nonsensical statement peddled by new-age nuts and pseudo-scientists. (Forgive me for being blunt — I mean no offense, drummer.)
No worries..
I think you do have to have a little luck (although who knows what luck really is) in life, but I’m more about the hard work to get the results. The harder you work at something, the more opportunity you make.
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I think the idea is: if you’re better, your luck looks better.
For instance, I’d be lucky to hit a golf ball on the green if I teed off on a par 3. Tiger Woods, on the other hand, would be lucky to get a hole in one on the same hole. We both had equal amounts of luck to do what we did, but his looks better.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
It's better to be lucky than good..
or really, really good looking to help you get lucky.
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I'm guessing about the defensive statistics
I don’t think the 49ers opponents have even bothered to run the ball against them, not while the game is in doubt thus negating their advantage. 20th is probably how good the 49ers have been defending the pass, hence a 20th overall rank.
Bring Briggs Back!!!
Mostly the 2nd half
When the game was already over. They had a two or three good runs in the 1st half but that was about it.
Bring Briggs Back!!!
So you're citing the give up factor then?
I see the defense losing a little bit of their soul every game.
I see this too
Why I think the “Play Alex Smith out” crowd is being ridiculous. He will drag the rest of the team down with him. The 49ers don’t win this weekend it’s time he sees the bench and never comes back.
The defense clearly gave up the 4th quarter of the Chiefs game.
Bring Briggs Back!!!
Also why the team cannot turn to Carr
I’ve seen Patrick’s tweets, he doesn’t believe one iota in David Car. The starting quarterback isn’t just one of twenty two starters, he’s one half of the belief pillars on the team with the head coach. If a team doesn’t believe in their starting quarterback it’s going to affect the other 52 players. Hence the reason quarterbacks and coaches are always the first to be fired when a team is losing.
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That's too bad
I’d still consider it, 0-6 is a scary possibility right now. If it’s Smith or Carr at 0-6 at least we tried everything. I bet the coach would get fired before the QB changes though. I don’t see Singletary admiting he was wrong about Alex any time soon. Carr is a pretty bleak option, it’s like selecting Cheney as VP so no one tries to impeach you.
I would argue Carr is like selecting Dan Quayle as VP. I’d try to be politically even keeled about it but the Democrats haven’t had many VP over the last 50 years to draw a comparison to. Joe Biden is probably the closest but he’s closer to Charlie Whitehurst than David Carr. You’d suspect he’d be awful but has never been given the opportunity to prove it.
I don’t see Singletary admitingheJed York was wrong about Alex any time soon.
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About what? My Jed York line?
Come on, Singletary said he was interested in bringing in Michael Vick just to give it a shot before the front office slapped his hand with a ruler. There is nothing with this Alex Smith fiasco that jives with anything else Singletary has said or done with this team.
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That's what I mean..
I agree with everything you say here. I think they sent Nate Davis to the PS because fans would already be calling for his number. Not that Davis would be better, but nobody is going to scream Carr or T. Smith.
One thing that is a bit concerning: Singletary is wound up way too tight. The whole mantra of the FO is that this team will be molded in his image, and of course, now the team is also wound up tight. I’d rather the team gone into this season as Division underdogs than Favorites. Maybe the sphincters would be looser.
Excepts Jed’s. Friday nights, you know.
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I would think Singletary could survive even if Alex led the team off a cliff this season.
However I do agree that Singletary has been wound tight and it’s effecting the team. His Week 1 meeting to save Jimmy Raye ultimately failed hurting his credibility. His wild interviews during the Saints week and now refusing to shake hands with the opposing teams coach while citing some 5 year old’s no-reason reason is just digging his own grave.
I think Singletary has been pretty good managing the other 52 guys on the roster, some tricky situations and I really like his draft class but his side antics are providing a reason to fire him. If Alex failed this team, Singletary could have been given a mulligan with maybe a capable QB in 2011. Yet he’s overshadowing Smith with his own circus show of negative headlines.
Bring Briggs Back!!!
That's one problem with hiring a guy with strong emotions
it’s great for motivation and getting things fired up but when things get tough those guys can sometimes destroy themselves from the stress.
Sing is way too stressed out..
Which I think is causing even more stress for the team, and the exodus of a few players isn’t helping the perception in SF
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Well, if there is a next season...
I somehow doubt the 49ers, if this season becomes lost, would keep Singletary around. I was reading the LA Times the other day, and they had an article on Jim Harbaugh (big game this weekend for USC). They mentioned he being a possible candidate in SF next year. Now I know that may not mean much, but if it’s already being put out there and creeped into the SoCal media, there maybe there is some smoke coming out of Santa Clara. Of course, they may be piggybacking off of Bay Area media speculation, but the Hot Seat is Officially fired up, and it may be due to how Singletary has been handling an 0-4 start.
Of course, this kind of behavior is what other Exec’s thought might be an issue when Singletary was applying for HC jobs around the League and I think even Baylor. They thought highly of him as they should, but also thought he wasn’t ready or had the experience necessary for the job.
Well, of course he could get one in SF. It’s not like the Yorks have doing a bang up job hiring HC’s. The ink was dry way before the last game of the season during his Interim phase for he to sign on.
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I don't know if I could trust a new coach
I kind of believe a few long time Bear observers that this team is like those Ditka Bears in a sense the personalities on this team are real difficult to manage and it takes a big personality like Singletary to keep it together.
I have my doubts whether a new guy could even come in and sell his vision inside the locker room without cleaning it out first. I’m really not interested in returning to rebuild mode which almost always goes hand in hand with a college coach. If Singletary has to go I’m for an experienced offensive guru who feels he only needs to tweak the team. To me it seems like a team ready to go minus the QB position.
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Especially Harbaugh
Going from the campus of Stanford to the 49ers current locker room ought to be a complete culture shock.
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Replace one Bear for another..
Harbaugh is pretty fiery. He can’t wait to embarrass USC again. But if your FO is still the FO that is in constant delusion of they thinking they have the Franchise wired, then it doesn’t matter who comes in as HC.
I mean, this is starting to look like the Nolan era all over again, with the FO putting it all on an inexperienced coach who has never been in this position before.
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USC can thank the LA media giant for as much as that programs success as the actual football team. No other team in the Pac-10 ever rises in the ranks faster than USC. They hardly ever run the table but constantly are considered for the championship game. Not to mention the talent coming out of USC has mostly soured in the NFL.
I guess I’m saying I’m not impressed with punching USC in the mouth. Their press clippings have always seemed bigger than the team. I’ll give Harbaugh credit, I think he knew that.
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As a Notre Dame guy...
I’d also enjoy that.
by NotreDame9er on Oct 7, 2010 12:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think..
Singletary is managing himself well right now, and who knows if he really still has the pulse of this team. But the real problem is the same old problem: they are on another OC. That’s why you hire an offensive HC. Hell, they had that same problem during the Seifert era. Eddie decided to say to hell with it and hire one of his own in Mooch because everybody was leaving to become HC’s.
Steve Young still bristles at the the 49ers leaving behind the identity of offensive football that has proven successful, I would be too, since he helped raise the bar on offensive football, only to see it disappear in 3 yards and a cloud of FAIL.
The first step to fix that is hire that offensive Guru for HC. Not one who still thinks he is in 1985.
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I don't have a problem with offensive approach
But the 49ers have spent 6 years developing the Ravens approach, a proven model in the current NFL landscape.
It also took the Ravens years for their system to come fruition, in fact it started when they were still the Browns.
Finally think 49ers are in position to cash in on their effort, yet have been submarined by QB play with some bad luck. I’d rather someone come in and work with the system in place instead of installing a brand new system. Brian Billick came into the underachieving Raven team and just fixed the offense, he didn’t bring a new culture and it’s continued to work.
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I dunno if they are developing the Raven approach..
with all of the different offensive philosophies that has been implemented since 2005. McCarthy, Turner (forget Hostler), Martz, Raye, etc. WCO, Digital, Spread, Martz, heck, they have watered down the playbook in SF as well due to the talent. I don’t think the 49ers have much of an identity at all with the exception of a few players like Gore, Willis, and Davis. They put it all on the neophytes in charge of building the Franchise back up, but not to where it once was.
Jeebus, to go along with the Politcal comparisons here: It the Offense, Stupid. Not calling you stupid, just using an old Campaign phrase. But it’s true. If you can’t find an HC, QB, or an OC to fix it, then you go and find an HC who knows offense to find a QB that can run it. It’s a passing League. If Gore’s knees go out, then what? Worse, if Smith goes down, and who do you have as a backup?
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A lot of those mistakes were Nolans.
McCarthy is the one who actually stuck us with Smith than is rewarded with a HC job with Rodgers
Nolan lucked into Norv than lucked out in losing him. I still think Norv is overrated. He’s competent but has his issues.
Hostler was the devastating reward to losing Norv.
Martz was hail marry and a joke. Nolan ought have been fired trying to hire him and running his offense with the 49ers personnel.
Raye is Singletary mistake. I think part of that mistake was inexperience on Mike’s part. Barrows said Raye was used a sounding a board for Singletary during the long interview and surprise Raye ended up being hired.
The current guy seems ready. His familiar with the NFL and his paid his dues. Most importantly he’s been sticking his nose in the college game. Maybe he will be the next guy who successfully imports the college game to the NFL.
No offense, I know it’s the offense. I’m hoping Singletary does what he does best, turn it over to someone else. Except this time he has someone who knows what he is doing. I’m hoping instead of his old dog and his old tricks he has a new dog with some new tricks.
I would prefer Smith go down. It would be nice for the team move from the 6 year old Smith plan that has never worked. They would actually be forced to evolve to at the QB position which they have refused to do for years. Plus Jed could wash his hands of the problem instead of having the coaching staff fall on the Smith sword for him.
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If Nolan's job was solely being HC...
Than maybe we could really judge his as one. But we can’t. One scout told Kevin Lynch that he thought Nolan, as a pure coach, wasn’t a bad one, but the FO was so bad that a lot of coaches would have failed in the same situation. Now I think Nolan wasn’t a gooD HC, but I blame that also on the FO being a mess to go with it. Give Erickson a K, and the 49ers may have won 2 more games. Strip him of everything, and no wonder they go nowhere.
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I should also add
I really believe in the current OC Mike Johnson. I think he is a sharp, young offensive mind. Now that he’s been given a chance and not barred from offensive meetings by Raye ought to talk some sense into Singletary.
I haven’t done a 360 look at the NFL yet but I have yet to encounter an available OC who looks up and coming on another roster, at least not in a game I’ve watched. Right now Mike Johnson looks as good as a candidate as anyone and the 49ers already have services locked in. So far if the 49ers want to go offense they would have to go old and washed out or look to the college ranks, I think I’ve already made my feelings about going into the college ranks know.
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Once I see the WRs actually get involved..
and put YAC numbers up while being hit in stride to the endzone consistently, then I will be encouraged. Instead, Gore is putting up the YAC yards. Heck, defenses have already taken out the seam route, which as $$ last season.
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YAC
If the QB could ever a hit a receiver in stride. Someone had a great comment today about Smith’s pass to VD last year against the Rams, said even Smith looked surprised he threw it so well.
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I LOL'd..
when he made an audible the last game. He made an audible!! Awesome!!
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Tells you something about the way Jimmy Raye ran things...
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 7, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the Ravens...
…are only as good as their passing attack. Their rushing offense was ranked 3rd in weighted DVOA, while their passing offense was ranked 11th, but their overall offensive rank was 10th.
Point very well taken...
….I personally like the idea of Harbaugh as HC. But an experienced offensive guru like Chuckie who wouldn’t try to reinvent the team might be a better way to go.
Then what do we do?
You say the “play Alex Smith out” crowd is ridiculous, but what better choice do we have right now? And please don’t say Nate Davis, who looked atrocious and lost during the preseason. That truly is ridiculous.
The real statistical reason the 49ers are 0 - 4
Alex Smith throws more interceptions than touchdowns, hell he hasn’t even put together enough touchdown drives to cover his interception rate. Alex Smith does not convert third downs effectively. 1 successful conversion in Seattle and 4 in KC out of a combined 32 opportunities. No touchdowns in Seattle, 1 very pointless touchdown in KC. Take away that touchdown of futility and you get two scores total in the second half all year. Both in the same game, and one of the drives was pretty much all Frank Gore. Alex Smith is a disaster so far this season. I don’t see him hitting anyone down the field, his desicion making sucks, his vision seems to be limited, his panic level is hair trigger. There also seems to be a lot of give up in him. He clams up on third in long and doesn’t produce drives in the third or fourth quarter. Rattle him early and it’s open season on the 49ers all day. We have to do somthing about our QB situation. His 2nd chances are all used up.
Alex Smith does not convert third downs effectively.
Well, the whole 49ers team doesn’t convert third downs effectively. The offensive line doesn’t seem to get much push on rushing downs either.
1 successful conversion in Seattle and 4 in KC out of a combined 32 opportunities.
Sure, let’s ignore the elephant in the room… you know, the one that says they were effective on 3rd down at home against the Saints (5-9)… and the one that says they were effective on 3rd down on the road against Atlanta (6-12). But hey, it’s Alex Smith’s fault, right?
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 6, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes it's Smith
You bet it’s Smith. Who else has the ball in his hand every single down? Baas? He’s made some errors but nothing near Smith’s failures. You can’t blame the pass blocking anymore, Smith’s been sacked less times than intercepted, almost. It shouldn’t even be close. 1 sack a game not counting Kansas City. This team is only as good as it’s weakest link, and given our W/L record our weakest link is pretty weak. Who do you think is our weakest link? Do you consider Alex to be more consistently good, or more consistently bad?
Seriously?
By my eyes, pass protection is atrocious. Smith faces pressure on almost every play. Even if he doesn’t get sacked, he either gets hit or bootlegs. We blew it by drafting O-linemen known for run blocking, not pass blocking — that was a bad call and it’s on Sing.
this...
is the absolute zenith of selection bias. is it at all a coincidence that you’re citing the 2 games where smith clearly sucked in the 2nd half, and ignoring the fact that he drove his team down the field pretty darn efficiently against NO? or how about the fact that, statistically speaking, the 49ers offense was 20% more successful in the 2nd half than in the 1st half during the 2009 season? need i remind you of the HOU game last season, in which smith came off the bench cold and threw for 209 yds and 3 tds in the 2nd half? he was just bringing them back from a blowout you say? well, in 2009, the niners 2nd half plays during close games were successful over 25% more frequently than their offensive plays overall.
my point here is not to defend alex smith, although it may seem like i’m doing that. all i’m telling you is that there are plenty of valid arguments against him. there’s plenty of statistical ammunition to fire against him. however, there’s absolutely no need to just pick out the games/plays/situations in which he sucked, and then make some general statement about his suckitude, when, in fact, he was actually pretty descent — if not waaaaaaay better — with respect to the exact situational stats you’re using to bash him.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 6, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course you have your opinion
But weren’t you the guy constantly citing Smiths 3 TDs against Houston as garbage time production that ought to be thoroughly questioned?
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not that i remember, no...
i may have said something like, “this doesn’t mean alex smith is the second coming,” but i didn’t “constantly cite” it or thought it “ought to be thoroughly questioned.” but, that’s kind of besides the point. Pat Willie is trying to make an argument that smith is horrible at X, Y, and Z, and citing conveniently selected stats. i just used the stats from the HOU game as a counterexample to show that smith is capable of doing what he’s saying smith’s horrible at. you can’t just erase that performance, or the others like it that smith’s had, just because it’s inconvenient to your argument. i still can’t believe there’s absolutely no mention in all of these smith debates about the end of the NO game. i just wish people would bash smith in a logical way — because there are plenty of valid criticisms out there.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 6, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
This leads to another argument I think you've suggested before
That Alex Smith or the 49ers offense tend to produce as long as the final outcome of the game isn’t on the line. This goes back to the Houston or Green Bay game, where the team clawed their way back than the offense went dead when it was time to win it.
I was actually thinking this during the Saints game. Pondering if it would have been different in the 49ers were down 5 points instead of 8.
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i have suggested...
that one, yes. in fact, i was thinking the same thing in the NO game. i’d been waiting for alex smith finally, after years and years and years, drive the team down the field in crunch time and score a TD. i didn’t have any confidence it would happen, and then it did. it was really a revelation to me, and kind of changed the way i think about him as a QB. but, of course, it still wasn’t good enough to the die-hard smith-haters, who cited the fact that the niners lost as some argument against the clutchness of that drive…you know, because alex smith is the defensive coordinator. oh wait, the defense also lost the ATL game for them too! trend alert!
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 6, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d argue the trend alert is the defense is always in position to lose the game but the offense is never in a position to win it. Sort of a glass half full, half empty view of the scenario. Do the 49ers even know the victory formation?
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Sure they know the formation..
all they have to do is look at the opposing team.
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good point...
just a tad cynical, but a good point nevertheless.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 6, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d argue the trend alert is the defense is always in position to lose the game but the offense is never in a position to win it.
This season, we’ve had two games where this mattered:
Game 1: vs. Saints. Offense drives the ball 82 yards down the field in 53 seconds, scores the tying 2 point conversion. The defense lets the Saints drive the ball 51 yards to get in field goal range. In crunch time, the offense did their job, the defense did not.
Game 2: @ Falcons. When the 49ers received the ball on their 8 yard line with 10:25 left, if you were told they’d run 6:45 of play clock and pin the Falcons at their own 8 yard line, you’d have definitely taken it, right? It’s not a score, but it’s absolutely the next best thing, and certainly not a failure. Well… that’s what the offense did. The defense then proceeded to give up 38 yards, intercept the ball, give it right back, and then give up a 69 yard game winning drive.
During most of the 49ers games, the offense has been bad (though much better against Atlanta), the defense has been mediocre. However, it seems to flip in crunch time. The offense becomes decent and the defense becomes putridly terrible.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 7, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Giving the offense too much credit for one drive
They did give up 3 turnovers and a safety in the Saints game.
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That Alex Smith or the 49ers offense tend to produce as long as the final outcome of the game isn’t on the line.
Maybe it’s getting off topic for this specific post, but… Am I not allowed to use this same argument against the defense?
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 7, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Grammar Nazi alert

descent is not the same as decent. The former means was a pretty cool video game from 1995 and means “a downward passage or slope” , or a “derivation from an ancestor or lineage as in descendant”
decent we all know the meaning of. I just point this out because you made the same mistake in your post and because little things like that bug me to no end.
haha!
holy (site decorum)…i really do know the difference, i swear. there are just some words that i don’t even think about and end up writing them incorrectly. another one is “knowledgeable.” my brain just can’t get the “remember to type that ea combination” to my fingertips.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 6, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah we all have those
I always have to look up the spelling of occasionally because I always want to add an extra i
The thing that messes me up constantly about knowledgeable is judgment. Why does knowledgeable get to keep the e, but judgment doesn’t? I always forget which is which.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 6, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
i think it has something to do with...
the fact that the natural derivative of making a judgment is being knowledgeable. thus, using calculus, it can be shown
d/dx judgment = e^knowledgable
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 7, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
NERD!
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Oct 7, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be the spelling Nazi, actually. I’ve always disliked that the grammar Nazi gets to correct countless things that aren’t even in his jurisdiction. Whenever the grammar Nazi gives me a ticket for a spelling violation, I refuse to pay.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 6, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
And yes...
That would be the technicality Nazi knocking at your door.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Oct 6, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
i was going to point this out...
but didn’t have a clever graphic to illustrate whatever that “correcting the grammar nazi” nazi would be called.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 7, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Google images only returns one hit for "spelling nazi"
all the others are variations of the grammar nazi

this is an immutable law of the internet
when one poster attempts to correct another poster’s grammar or spelling, he will invariably make a mistake that will require further correction
Not to be confused with dissent
Which is what a grammar Nazi usually encounters in response to his grammar Nazi-ism.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 7, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
"in fact, he was actually pretty descent"
that’s just it. “pretty decent” isn’t good enough anymore.
Alex Smith is garbage...
Hill is not here to compete with Smith anymore..
Smith is competing with Smith, and losing.
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3 home games so far for the Rams
One thing I don’t like about FO stats is they put weight into home/away. In reality there is a big difference between playing any team home and away.
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I'll give you the stats that say Alex is better at home
that gives us a good chance to go 6 – 10 this year.
I expect him to be better at home
However those stats cited above indicate he might be the worst QB in league on the road. You can expect some improvement at home, like jumping up a quartile. If he’s already dead last it means he’s likely to go from worst to just bad.
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The thing that kills me is
He will go on to have a few good games. Then he’ll stink it up at just the right time. We’ll be playing the Seahwks for a playoff spot and he’ll just give it away. Throw it right to them.
Good point
The ball was in his hands 2nd and short at the end of the last two drives at the end of the 4th quarter Seahawks last year. We punted both times after consecutive incomplete passes out of shotgun. Amazingly no interceptions, but still no win.
not to rain on your parade, but...
this “laying an egg at just the right time” thing has been a problem for the niners for the past 3 years, and alex hasn’t been the starter that entire time. i can think of several times in 2008 where the same thing happened with hill at QB. they win one game to get back in the race, then lose the next one against a crappy team to kill their playoff hopes….then they win 2 in a row to get back in it, then lose inexplicably again to fall back out for good. it’s like a broken record regardless of the QB.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 6, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I can understand that
Yet I think the parameters have changed this season. Prior years the QB was being asked to overcome the lack of talent on the team. For instance Alex Smith 2006-2007. Singletary changed it up a bit last year asking the defense to carry the team while Shaun Hill’s job was not to lose it.
Now the team has talent to win and Alex is being asked to just let that talent breathe, instead he’s been smothering it with a wet blanket called his play. Now Jimmy Raye holds a huge responsibility in this too, I’m not going to pretend that isn’t a huge factor in the present stats. Alex had a chance to prove himself last week and failed again to distribute. He’s suppose to get ball into the hands of the talent for them to win the game. It did not happen and Jimmy wasn’t around to share the blame.
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i understand your point about...
the expectations changing. i’d just say that this…
He’s suppose to get ball into the hands of the talent for them to win the game.
was actually one of the encouraging signs in the ATL game, not some indication of his failure. i mean, crabtree actually got involved in the game, and delanie walker seemed to be a frequent target before he got hurt. i thought mike johnson called a good game in terms of spreading the ball around at random intervals, unlike jimmy raye’s play-calling, which involved either every pass going to VD or every pass being a dump off to gore (see gore’s 13 targets in the KC game).
now, whether or not alex failed to fully take advantage of that improvement in play-calling is another story. i think he did for the most part, but the 2 INTs overshadowed it. i mean, they seemed to move the ball pretty well several times during the game, but had the drives short-circuited by turnovers. i do find it peculiar how — and i’m not directing this to you whatsoever — it’s ok to have 2 costly turnovers overshadow an otherwise good performance when it comes to smith, but some of those same people give clements a pass for his loser-is-as-loser-does turnover…because, you know, he had a good game other than that.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 6, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Clements sealed the loss
He’s easily the 2nd goat in that loss. I’m still grappling with how the game even came down to that situation. Typically on the road if the visitor gets off to a fast start, the defense gets the upper hand and special teams produce a touchdown you can mail in the win. Someone has to screw up royally on offense to let a game like that slip away. Outside the RG the QB was the worst player of the game.
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i'll also add...
that the obvious rebuttal of “well, smith’s out of 2nd chances,” or, “we’ve seen this too many times from smith to give him yet another pass for a bad turnover,” doesn’t hold water in a comparison of reactions to clements’ costly turnover because we can say the same things about clements. he’s never done anything for the niners, and has pretty much been invisible for 5 years except for being a really good run-supporting CB. if there’s anyone who’s overstayed his welcome as long as smith has, it’s nate the not-so-great…especially now that arnaz battle’s not around anymore.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 6, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Well you know that I never gave Clements a free pass for that play
and I’ve been one of his biggest supporters here at NN.
In that game only one player had the game 100% in his hands on one play and that was him and he screwed it up.
yeah...
you weren’t part of the nebulous “same people” i was referencing.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 6, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
p.s.
i got “nebulous” correct.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 6, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Congrats

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 7, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I will admit a bias
I’m never looking for a CB to be a reason the team won game. I hope the CB isn’t the reason the team lost game. Watched to many 49ers game in the 90’s and Mooch era 2000’s to have any higher expectations at that position. As long as the opposing team can’t score a touchdown at will attacking the CBs than I’m pretty happy with their performance.
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That seems to perfectly describe Cal Football.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 6, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Rec'd
Great job, and very informative.
In a weird way, this makes me slightly more confident the team will improve going forward. But if they fall on their face against the Eagles, I’m not so sure that will matter. I hope they take it to the Eagles with a decisive victory, but hope seems to get me in trouble with this team. So far, at least.
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FD, you’re so good at explaining these things. It’s a pleasure to read.
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wow...
i think that’s the best compliment i’ve ever gotten here. it’s the only one i really need to hear anyway. thanks.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 6, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey Danny
is there any difference in our offense DVOA from the Atlanta game compared to the other three games?
give me a few...
i just got home from the gym and need to eat something. be back in 20ish.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 6, 2010 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
haha...
you’re out of luck. FO doesn’t have the game-specific DVOA for the ATL game up yet.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 6, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
no offense, never read these before because they were too dense...
… but you explained it really well here. great stuff, really informative. unfortunately, it leaves me even more depressed about this team. For all the (fair and correct) criticism of A Smith, these statistics, specifically the fact that the team regressed in so many areas, shine an even harsher light on the coaching staff. good coaching makes players better. it’s that simple. you are limited by the talent on the team, but a good coaching staff takes that talent and teaches it to perform to its potential. these stats shout pretty loudly that that is not happening here, in fact, they’re moving in the opposite direction. Drag. I like Sing’s act – really sucks to have to admit he and his staff are just not getting it done.
clements
i dont understand how a 10 year vet keeps making the mistakes that he makes. that fumble was a huge one time screw up, but the risks he takes in coverage is ongoing, and he seems to get burned almost every time. dashon goldson is extremely overrated as well.
Alex Smith is garbage...
Third Down Efficiency
The team’s third down efficiency has been brutal this season. What up with that?
If the team is so damn successful on first down running plays, why are second and third down rates so terrible? For the first three games, it was San Francisco’s OC to blame. In Mike Johnson’s first game calling plays, the team had very good third down efficiency.
At this point I think the formula is simple, the defense needs to pull its head from its [ah].
Alex Smith has had some punch myself in the face drive killers. In my opinion luck only has about 25% to do with this. Good teams find a way to win games. While the team has come close twice it has sufferred two horrendous blow outs. If the 49ers had lost each game by within 3, I’d say it all had to do with bad luck. The Atlanta loss was not bad luck, it was a bad decision by him who won’t be named.
3rd down efficiency this past game..
was better because they had a lot of 3rd and shorts. A few times when the 49ers had a favorable 3rd and short before this game, they had a false start or a delay of game.
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I think Danny's point was that...
…when third-down success rates are radically out of line with success rates for other downs, it’s usually a sign of bad luck, not bad coaching. Not that I’m saying Raye was a good coach, mind you, just that his poor coaching probably isn’t to blame for the difference.
You got the theory somewhat right
But took it to a really weird and incorrect statement about the 49ers.
bad offenses can look competent simply because they’re able to convert 3rd downs successfully after being unsuccessful on 1st and 2nd down. Generally speaking, offenses that fit this profile are unable to duplicate their 3rd down success the following season, and so their makeup gets washed away to reveal the pig that’s been there all along. Meet the 2009 and 2010 San Francisco 49ers’ offense.
What this means is that there’s a lot of randomness in 3rd down conversion rates. If a team’s 3rd down conversion rate is much better/worse than its 1st and 2nd down performance, it’s expected that it’ll even out in the long run and be worse/better the following year. Thus, you shouldn’t look at the 3rd down conversion rates and say “See! The Niners were good last year, which means their offense was great, but now sucks!” You should just look at the 1st and 2nd down success rates of both years and say “See the Niners offense is kinda pretty bad!”
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 7, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
If the defense pretty much can call the play correctly from the personnel grouping,
it’s tough to run a play, especially converting on third downs where it is even easier to predict when a Niner play will be run or pass.
by Mood_Indigo on Oct 7, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 7, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
while i agree...
with your general point about how predictability dooms plays…i actually think mike johnson was pretty unpredictable on third down against ATL. i mean, on one of the early 3rd-down plays, he called a play-action deep cross to delanie walker. that’s sure not “frank gore up the middle for no gain.”
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 7, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
very late to the party but
looks like we should run for decent yardage on 1st down, throw on 2nd, and just punt on 3rd down if we dont convert on 2nd
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