Official NFL Draft Thread 11/01/10 [NEW]
by Drew Kerr on Nov 1, 2010 10:00 PM PDT
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Last week I posted a poll in regards to what positions were top priority. The poll concluded hands down that we need to be drafting a quarterback first and foremost in the '11 NFL Draft. The position that had the second most votes was cornerback.
In light of Troy Smith's so-so performance some feel already that he could be a long-term solution if he continues to win games. And should he do so, my question to Niners Nation is this; is drafting a quarterback still priority number one? There has been very good conversation with debate on both sides on whether or not we should continue to go with Alex Smith if Troy Smith keeps eeking out the W's. Since we are in the bye week, Troy and the rest of the Niner offense will have some time to build a bit more chemistry. However, chemistry can only take you so far with a poor gameplan. We will see how the coaching staff responds to the win in London.
Below, I am going to post my updated lists of prospects for both the QB and CB positions. I then will post another poll with the remaining positions since it was a no question, hands down voting for our first two positions that we should be drafting for.
QUARTERBACKS
1. Andrew Luck -- Stanford -- 6'4", 235 LBS
2. Jake Locker -- Washington -- 6'3", 226 LBS (+1)
3. Ryan Mallett -- Arkansas -- 6'6", 238 LBS (-1)
4. Colin Kaepernick -- Nevada -- 6'2", 220 LBS (+1)
5. Ricky Stanzi -- Iowa -- 6'4", 240 LBS (+1)
6. Nick Foles -- Arizona -- 6'5" 245 LBS (-2)
7. Jerrod Johnson -- Texas A & M -- 6'4", 243 LBS (+2)
8. Pat Devlin -- Delaware -- 6'4", 220 LBS (+3)
9. Andy Dalton -- TCU -- 6'3", 215 LBS (-1)
10. Christian Ponder -- Florida State -- 6'3", 227 LBS (-2)
11. Brandon Weeden -- Oklahoma State -- 6'4", 224 LBS (-1)
12. Blaine Gabbert -- Missouri -- 6'5", 240 LBS (+3)
13. Terrelle Pryor -- Ohio State -- 6'6", 235 LBS (-1)
14. Kirk Cousins -- Michigan State -- 6'3", 202 LBS (+6)
15. Stephen Garcia -- South Carolina -- 6'2", 227 LBS (+2)
16. Jacory Harris -- Miami -- 6'4", 200 LBS (-3)
17. Greg McElroy -- Alabama -- 6'2", 225 LBS (-3)
18. Ben Chappell -- Indiana -- 6'3", 242 LBS
16. Case Keenum -- Houston -- 6'2", 210 LBS (-2)
20. Kevin Riley -- California -- 6'1", 225 LBS (-1)
CORNERBACKS
1. Patrick Peterson -- LSU -- 6'1", 211 LBS
2. Prince Amukamara -- Nebraska -- 6'1", 205 LBS
3. Ras I-Dowling -- Virginia -- 6'2", 200 LBS
4. Janoris Jenkins -- Florida -- 5'11", 186 LBS
5. Curtis Brown -- Texas -- 6'0", 180 LBS
6. Chimdi Chewka -- Ohio State -- 6'0", 190 LBS
7. Aaron Williams -- Texas -- 6'1", 192 LBS
8. Omar Bolden -- Arizona State -- 5'10", 194 LBS (+1)
9. James Dockery -- Oregon State -- 6'1", 181 LBS (+1)
10. Rashad Carmichael -- Virginia Tech -- 5'11", 190 LBS (-2)
11. Brandon Harris -- Miami -- 5'11", 195 LBS (+1)
12. Davon House -- New Mexico State -- 6'0", 190 LBS (-1)
13. Chris Rucker -- Michigan State -- 6'2", 195 LBS (+4)
14. Jimmy Smith -- Colorado -- 6'2", 210 LBS (+5)
15. Darian Hagan -- California -- 6'0", 180 LBS (-3)
16. Kendric Burney -- North Carolina -- 5'9", 190 LBS (-2)
17. Chris Culliver -- South Carolina -- 6'0", 197 LBS (-2)
18. Chase Minnifield -- Virginia -- 6'0", 185 LBS (+3)
19. Shareece Wright -- USC -- 5'11", 185 LBS (-3)
20. Brandon Burton -- Utah -- 6'0", 185 LBS (-2)
Don't forget to rec the post... thanks and enjoy!
LAST WEEK'S POLL RESULTS FOR QB AND CB
72% of you voted for quarterback
21% of you voted for cornerback
Each week 2 more positions will be taken off the board.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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What is wrong with Rachal and Iupati?
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
by Drew Kerr on Nov 1, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
“you’re right Kenito, Chilo is a terrible guard and i believe we should find a suitable replacement through next year’s NFL draft” there i fixed it for you drew :D
by PartyStarter on Nov 2, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Chilo isn't a terrible guard.
He has star tools. In fact, better tools than Iupati. If he stops making silly mistakes, he can be a dominating guard
lol
you think chilo can be better than iupati. that made me laugh
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
Iupati hasn't been sensational, his miscues have been blamed on the play calling and overshadowed by Davis being the false start king.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
chilo has better tools than iupati.
you obv don’t watch rachal. he is just hugely inconsistent, and has lapses of concentration
the first half.
the second half of “Rachal and Iupati” is fine.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Really...........get em Drew
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
NT and Center/Guard
I like Rachal but I am not sure he is the long term answer at RG. Need a Center to back up either Heitmann (may not be here for long) and for Baas. Hopefully Baas signs an extension.
Also, I think Franklin isn’t as good as he was last year.. maybe because he missed the preseason but I don’t think he will be here next year and we need someone to back up RJF.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Draft
I picked pass rusher.Line would be next though.As for whats wrong with our guards its the same thing that’s wrong with the whole line pass blocking.I haven’t seen every game but in the two i did see it was horrible.Judging by Gore’s three 100 yard games I’ll go out on a limb and say the run blocking has improved because was as bad as the pass blocking.One question and then I’m done.Why is Westbrook not getting more touches if he’s in the backfield with Gore then teams have to account for him too.I understand Gore is the man but for crying out loud put a few new wrinkles in the offense.Surprise somebody by not handing off to Frank out of the I 30 times a game.
by Daniel Wilkinson on Nov 1, 2010 10:44 PM PDT reply actions
just FYI
in the Denver game the pass blocking was stellar. The blocking schemes were brilliant and the only time you saw a rusher was on a designed screen, moving pocket, or after Troy already had 3+ seconds to throw. I just went back and re-watched every pass play and the blocking was superb.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
it should be even better next year
two rookies will have a year under them and as a group will have a year together.
it also helps that alex smith was not there to run into the d-line for a sack
o-line should be low priority, only for depth, if that
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 2, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
You're joking right
With Mallett as -1 and Locker as +1?
Look at the footage my friend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO7UIhEVG6w
The full game is up on espn3 if you care to spend the time.
Also, Kaepernick as the #4 QB on the board? Jerrod Johnson above Christian Ponder?
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
What is it that you actually look for in QB's?
Because your rankings are so far from mine that it makes sense we don’t see the same things in certain players.
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by youALREADYknow on Nov 1, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I listed that in the last thread for you.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Christian Ponder is horrible... he has choked in every single big game and is EXTREMELY overrated.
You’ll see…
Have you bothered to look at Kaepernick at all? He is head to toe, hands down better than the guys listed after him.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
You contradict yourself
Ponder is horrible for choking in big games and yet Locker isn’t?
Ponder is still a decent mid-round prospect. Kaepernick is a good project QB, but Ponder has better NFL QB skills right now. He just doesn’t play with the consistency to merit a 1st/2nd round grade.
And yes, I’ve seen Nevada play a few times the last couple of years. I’ve only seen a part of one game this year and he didn’t seem THAT much better than last year.
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by youALREADYknow on Nov 2, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
And I've seen plenty of footage and games of both Mallett and Locker... Locker is better.
Your footage of Mallett there is a game against Vanderbilt… Show me some highlights against a good college defense where he has been below par.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
The footage is out there
Mallett makes NFL quality throws against every single team. I can’t show you highlights of Locker against good college defenses because they are all lowlights. He’s been downright pitiful against every quality defense that he’s faced.
Please show me where Mallett has been “below par” against these good college defenses. His only “below par” game was a 300+ yard passing performance against an ELITE college defense where he only had 3-4 bad throws and 20+ good to great ones.
Also, Vandy’s defense is better than most of the defenses that exist in the Pac-10. Washington State 120th (dead last in the NCAA), Washington 100th, USC 98th, UCLA 94th, Oregon State 94th. In other words, Pac-10 defenses have been getting torched all year long. Locker hasn’t played many good defenses this season and has still put up less than spectacular performances.
And in case you’re wondering, the same logic applies to Mr. Andrew Luck. He hasn’t played against many good defenses. That’s why I’m very interested to see how the game against Arizona goes. It will be a good showcase for his talents, especially if they get behind and actually need to throw the ball instead of using the run to set up the pass.
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by youALREADYknow on Nov 2, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
You can't see any footage of Luck playing a good defense either. mallet has faced the better defenses every year.
Mallet should be the top prospect, Luck could be the next Leinhart.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Mallett is still (barely) the top rated QB on my board
And neither is a top 5 prospect in my book. Defense reigns supreme in this draft class. There are elite defensive prospects everywhere and most teams in the top 10 would be foolish to pass them up.
Still, with a top 5 pick I think any NFL team would be “safer” by investing in Luck than Mallett. I am convinced that Luck wouldn’t fall flat on his face in the NFL, but not convinced that he’s anything special. Mallett has the chance to be a special NFL QB if he puts the work in to develop over the offseason and gets into a system that fits his style of play.
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by youALREADYknow on Nov 2, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Mallett makes some bad decisions when he is under pressure
But I believe that happens mostly because the game gets too fast. If we can find a way to slow down the game then he will be the best QB in this draft.
He also makes some great plays under pressure
Put simply, he takes risks down the field. That’s something you can live with if he’s making the right read/decision more times than not.
Mallett is going to throw INTs as a pro, but if he’s throwing for a ton of yards and TD’s then nobody will care much. If he’s throwing more INTs than TDs (see Jay Cutler) then that’s when it becomes a problem.
He would be a legitimate top 5 overall pick if he handled himself better in one quarter against Alabama. I’m interested to see how both Luck and Mallett handle their remaining games against top defenses, especially if they are forced to play in close games or play from behind.
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by youALREADYknow on Nov 3, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Remaining schedule for those who want it
Stanford’s remaining games
Vs. Arizona
@ Arizona st
@ Cal
vs Oregon St
Arkansas’s remaining games
@South Carolina
vs UTEP (who?)
@Mississippi St
vsLSU
Mallett is almost as overrated as Christian Ponder in my book
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Hey Drew
I’ve been hoping for someone to really break down the QB’s, most importantly which have the tools that might not play for a big school, put up the numbers, etc.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
When I get a couple of free hours, I'll try and put more prespective on things in the college football world as far as the QB position id concerned.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
How's your hand doing btw?
Hope it’s feeling better and no lasting damage or such.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 6, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
guys who have good leadership, decision-making, decent arm
but didn’t put up monster numbers at a big program, for instance
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
You mean like Cousin and the QB from Wisco
I like the guy from Wisco when they show the huddle the whole team just listens to him. Even when he is not talking they just stare at him
or Ricky Stanzi
but yeah, he’s probably more like a Nate Davis, well, not the learning disability and poor work ethic, but he’d be a 4th or 5th rounder and would need a year probably to get used to NFL speed, defenses, etc. They do run a pro-style offense and he’s led them back several times in huge games…last minute touchdown passes, etc. I love his leadership and moxie too.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
Stanzi definitely is not like Alex Smith
he’s a bold guy, fiery…
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
I was looking at what I looked for in a QB most of it had to do with intangibles
Since footwork is teachable
by manraj7 on Nov 4, 2010 2:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You were bad mouthing Bradford too
Doesn’t seem like you have a very good grasp on that specific position.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
????
I said Bradford was the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning.
Why do you consistently make up lies where you see it fit to make your argument stronger?
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by youALREADYknow on Nov 3, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
In that case
My apologies. I was baffled and bewildered.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 3, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
try clicking the "up" button
next to the reply button. it shows you which comment was being replied to.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
wowwwww
Thanks. I seriously never knew what the “up” feature was for. I thought that was how you “rec’d” a post.
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by youALREADYknow on Nov 3, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
sad
When I highlight the button it says “jump up to parent”.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 3, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
well, when an initial comment and the reply button love each other very much, they dim the lights and…a new comment is born!
Seeing Crabtree's TD celebration made a friend of mine start calling the 49ers the "Goldmembers"--can't say I blame her!
twitter me @grantmp1
I only bad mouthed his injury not his talent, get it right.
I know you don’t have a grasp og much of anything but college football.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
You are, but what's new?
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Locker bette than Mallet, how could anyone know how good locker is?
he spends more time running for his life than an escaped convict.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
They do they hate him with a passion
and they all have man crushes on Luck so they want Luck’s stock to rise and Locker’s to drop.
Wrong!
Locker fails to inspire his teammates to play well…
Seeing Crabtree's TD celebration made a friend of mine start calling the 49ers the "Goldmembers"--can't say I blame her!
twitter me @grantmp1
All moot points
We’re getting Luck!!
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
I hope we don't if Luck is available at our pick we shop it
We could get a lot of picks from it. For example of we our pick to the Browns we can get their first and next years first. If the Browns continue to do well and continue to stink we can trade it for a first a second and a future first. Great QBs come out every draft and because teams who don’t have a team in place and start a rookie QB don’t usually do well we could get a really high pick in next years draft.
by manraj7 on Nov 3, 2010 4:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Great QBs come out every draft…
2006 and 2007 beg to differ.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
So basically what you're saying is there is a 1 and 15 chance we will end up with one each year?
Pretty crappy odds.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
There's about 15 QB's on average selected each year
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
One good QB multiple great prospects
by manraj7 on Nov 4, 2010 2:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not exactly
Go back and look through the history of the last 20 years or so.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
20 years is a long time last 6 years
2005: Smith and Rodgers
2006: Young and Leinart
2007: Russell and Kolb
2008: Matt Ryan Flacco
2009: Stafford Sanchez Freeman
2010: Braford McCoy Clausen
2011: Luck Locker Mallett
2012: Barkley the guy from Baylor and others
Quinn was also in 2007
If you want to take all of the 2nd rounders + out we can do it again
2005: Smith Rodgers Campbell
2006: Young Leinart Cutler
2007: Russel Quinn
2008: Ryan Flacco
2009: Stafford Sanchez Freeman
2010: Bradford
so 14 picks in 5 years which constitutes about 2.8 QBs selected in the first every year.
We can even go back to 1998 the year my little brother was born
1998: Manning Leaf
1999: Couch McNabb Smith Culpepepper McNown
2000: Pennington
2001: Vick, Brees
2002: Carr Harrington Ramsey
2003: Palmer Leftwich Boller Grossman
2004: Manning Rivers Roethlisberger Losman
21 QBs taken in the 1st round in 6 years so a total of 35 Qbs taken in 11 years so more than 3 QBs a year.
Correction my brother was born in 1997
so 1997: Drunkemiller
36 in 12 years 3 QBs a year. Since I wasn’t watching the Draft during those years I am assuming there were more top prospects but they slipped through the cracks due to “character” issues like Clausen.
Top 5 picks
10: Bradford
09: Stafford Sanchez
08: Ryan
07: Russell
06: Young
05: Smith
04: Manning Rivers
03: Palmer
02: Carr Harrington
01: Vick
00: none
99: Couch McNabb Smith
98: Manning Leaf
97: none
more than 1 every year.
by manraj7 on Nov 4, 2010 7:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Note these are prospects not good QBs
by manraj7 on Nov 4, 2010 7:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The Stafford/Matty Ice/Freeman 1st round is looking might fine.
Freeman was only really a 1st rounder fairly late in the process, so I wonder if there will be another guy (like the Nevada QB) jump into the first round discussion during the winter.
Seeing Crabtree's TD celebration made a friend of mine start calling the 49ers the "Goldmembers"--can't say I blame her!
twitter me @grantmp1
So if the 49ers pick Luck, what are you gonna do?
Are you gonna support him?
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
I will he's on our team, if they take another QB will you wait a season to bash him?
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
typical.......
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Nothing wrong at all with Iupati, Chilo Rachel is terrible in pass protection. If you analyze where the pressure comes from, its nearly always on the right side of the line. Bass isnt great at picking up line calls either. I am still amazed Snyder is not starting at guard. Athony Davis is still a rookie, but many teams didnt want him (even though he had the highest potential of all tackles) because he is inconsistent and struggled at Rutgers against average pass rushers.
So the problem with this is you now have to either leave a TE or RB to help pass protect which limits play calling options. Hence why Westbrook hasnt gotten much time because he doesnt pass protect as well as Gore. I wouldnt be surprised if A.Davis eventually made the move to RG.
I might also say that WR might be a another priority. As much as Josh Morgan looks good at times, he is not a deep threat and Ginn is inconsistent at WR.
Brandon Harris
Will be a 1st rounder. 11th ranked CB on your board, what don’t you like about Harris?
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
i asked him the same thing in the previous draft thread
and never got a clear answer.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Watch the youtube clip against Georgia Tech last year and you may have your answer
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
He's vastly improved since last year
I was impressed by him in the few games I’ve seen this year.
He’s not a shutdown corner by any means which is why he’s not a top 15 prospect, but he’s a ball hawk. Ball hawking CB’s with athleticism and speed get taken in the late 1st round.
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by youALREADYknow on Nov 3, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he's a solid 2nd or 3rd rounder...just my opinion though.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
if he's there in the 3rd
Then I’ll be screaming at the top of my lungs for the Niners to do WHATEVER it takes to move up and take him immediately.
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by youALREADYknow on Nov 3, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
he sounds like Josh Wilson
so if the Seahawks draft him, we can trade a conditional fifth round pick for him next year.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
i watched it.
he broke up at least 3 passes, played well in run support, and only got burned in coverage once (and that was because he thought the play was over).
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
He got burnt in coverage a few times… Do you really want Nate Clements Jr.?
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
i only saw him get burned once
unless you’re counting the time #7 blew his coverage and Brandon Harris almost came over in time to save the touchdown.
Do you really want Nate Clements Jr.?
um…yeah. Nate Clements used to be really good.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Actually Clements has ALWAYS been known for being s streaky player.
He’ll either make a big play or make an extremely boneheaded one
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
QBs
Andrew Luck has to be #1 if he goes pro. He may not be as fast as Locker, but he (to me) is more accurate and makes better decisions. #2 Locker, #3 Mallett, then no one else matters….
Whoa! We're not biased are we?
If you like bias, here’s some:
Have you seen Nick Foles (U. of Arizona) play (he’s injured right now)? As a PRO PROSPECT I actually like him better than either Locker or Mallett! Much more field presence, accuracy, and guts! As for Locker, I watched all of Washington’s game against Stanford — Locker looked downright pitiful, completely lost. By not coming out last year he has given up millions in potential compensation.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Nov 2, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Then no one else matters...
really, I wan’t to see your 7 round mock draft of only first round players. You can find a gem in the rough at any position in the later rounds, definately including QB, and this draft is as good as any in prospects who either have all the physical tools or have all the intangibles that come with winning. I think this year, many teams should steer clear of going after QB’s in the first, as none of them are top5 pick quality in my opinion.
Scouting is done to have relevant options after the three!
Nick Foles is not a good pro prospect.
His delivery is extremely slow and he stares down receivers. That’s a BAD combination against NFL DBs. With that much time to react to the pass, they can usually get there before the ball does.
If Nick Foles gets serious playing time in the NFL, i expect plenty of INTs and batted down passes.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
DE
I voted for an end because Justin cant play forever and I just can’t picture Soap staying around
---VOTE FOR YOUR FAVORITE 3-ROUND MOCK---
Here’s the situation: A magical wizard has offered you the chance to control the first 3 rounds of the draft. Unfortunately, you have to choose between two options that the wizard has already put together for you. Whichever option you choose is exactly how the draft will go for the 49ers, no matter what. If you suggest other players, try to mix-and-match, or say “neither” then the 49ers will trade all their picks to the Cowboys for Marion Barber. With that in mind, here are your choices:
Option #1
1. CB Prince Amukamara
2. DE Allen Bailey
3. RG Clint Boling
Option #2
1. QB Ryan Mallett
2. WR Greg Little
3. OLB Brooks Reed
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
#1
Because it fills more needs and because we get a defensive lineman. Firm believer that everything starts at the line. If we can get two people being double teamed at the line it will leave a OLB with a TE or a RB.
by manraj7 on Nov 2, 2010 9:07 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
all 6 of the positions i listed have been thrown around as team needs.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
WR isn't a need in my eyes
And neither is right guard but a good CB and a good DE will improve our team sooooooooooooooooooooooo much. I can already think of plays to use. Imagine a 3 man blitz
by manraj7 on Nov 2, 2010 2:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah, i don't think WR is a big need either.
but for some reason there are people who think Josh Morgan is worthless.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Morgan is worthless and he can't get better.
We have Crabtree and gINN, AND Ginn is so one dimensional it’s like not having one.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Lloyd runs deep every play and he plays well
Of course you need a QB that can throw deep accurately, and every player can get better. Also I feel like Ginn have been taking hits and blocking more than I expected him too. I think we changed the man.
Lloyd runs intermediate and short, and deep.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Morgan is one of the best blocking WR's in the league... you should love him with your run first mentality
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
He barely gets open.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
He is as slow as mud.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Hahaaaaa
Does not apply and is not humorous, oh yeah it’s Drew K.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Who's run first mentality?
Don’t fabricate things Drew, that makes you look ridiculous.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
What exactly have I fabricated??
Your comments are ridiculous…that’s what I think.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
You claiming I have a run first mentatlity, that just isn't accurate.
There you go with that BS, if they are ridiculous, don’t respond.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
I can go back in several posts to find comments to indicate your support for that.
SEVERAL.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Please do
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
I don't have to for the regular people who post here.
Those who don’t will learn
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
You're making a claim that is purely false. You don't have to, but I'm certain you can't.
Nothing in any of my post imply that, you’re just reaching in your arse, as usual, to provide any conversation/debate.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
In my opinion ...
Worthless? No! An NFL-quality starter? No! For as much experience as he’s had he still makes too many mistakes (drops, poor patterns, etc.) and incurs far too many penalties … many of them just plain stupid.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Nov 2, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
#1
Because it fills more needs and because we get a defensive lineman. Firm believer that everything starts at the line. If we can get two people being double teamed at the line it will leave a OLB with a TE or a RB.
by manraj7 on Nov 2, 2010 9:17 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
all 6 of the positions i listed have been thrown around as team needs.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Time to pick the lesser of two evils
by manraj7 on Nov 2, 2010 1:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Someone needs a reality check, haha
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
did you read the intro?
if you pick neither option then the 49ers will trade all of their picks to the Cowboys for Marion Barber.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I read the intro... it's not even close to realistic... so I don't think either (including the Barber thing) is realistic.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
it wasn't supposed to be realistic.
once i mentioned the magical wizard, realism was pretty much out the window.
it was just supposed to create some discussion about which scenario was better, if it had to go down one of the two ways.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Wizards are real don't you watch Disney.
by manraj7 on Nov 2, 2010 2:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
um...no.
i must admit, i don’t watch a lot of Disney these days.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
is that the chick who just went to rehab for cutting herself?
or the other Disney chick who sort of looks like her?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Also.... highly doubtful that Allen Bailey ends up a 2nd rounder
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
anything can happen man.
remember when Donovan Warren was for sure going to be a first round pick? remember Jevan Snead?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
No and no... I never had either ever rated as 1st round prospects.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
i'm sure there have been prospects
that you rated as first round guys who fell to the second.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
You mean like Taylor Mays or Desean Jackson?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Allen Bailey is a top ten prospect.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
According to CBS Sports he's 5th.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2011
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Here are a list of DE that can go above Bailey in no particular order
Marcel Daerus Alabama
Adrian Clayborn Iowa
Nick Fairley Auburn
He’s about the 3rd or 4th best 3-4 DE in the draft.
Marcell Dareus
I’m personally hoping for him if the Niners end up in the 6th-10th pick range. Dareus has the talent and experience in the 3-4 at DE to be the best in the NFL at the position. He’s an absolute monster.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 3, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I was liking him too until I read that he takes plays off
I’m sorry but that doesn’t work for me especially when I am picking in the top 10
Bailey is better than Dareus
Dareus is another overrated player. See: Kentwan Blamer all over again.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Top 5
1. Clayborn
2. Bailey
3. Dareus
4. Watt
5. Crick
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
hearing some are souring on Clayborn some
really bad first step. Still probably best DL but he’s looking more like a mid-1st rounder now
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
He may be but currently he is one of the best DE
How often does an overrated player from a top college goes ahead of a another player.
LMAO
Did you really just compare Marcell Dareus and Kentwan Balmer?
I swear you don’t watch any football east of the Grand Canyon.
Please do explain why Dareus, who has completely blown up and manhandled NFL OT prospects, is “another overrated player”.
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by youALREADYknow on Nov 4, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you watch Kentwan Blamer in college? Because I did.
And guess what, he went to UNC… which couldn’t be further east of the Grand Canyon.
Gotta love the ol’ infamous, “Gosh, do you even watch football” aegument.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
I live in ACC country
And Balmer was no Dareus. It’s about the level of physical dominance.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 6, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
DE
If two people get double teamed then the OLB gets a free shot or gets hit by a TE or RB. I know we don’t have great OLB but they can beat a RB. As an added bonus it allows our ILBs to run free. Can you say no run game.
by manraj7 on Nov 2, 2010 10:22 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
shawn merriem
said to hit the waiver wirer if he passes his physical today…………
another outside lineback claimed by the niners???
You don't think RJF can be decent?
by manraj7 on Nov 2, 2010 12:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah,
but he didn’t know what a “rec” was. some superhero.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Hey Drew, a correction for you ...
Not sure where your measurements came from, but Colin Kaepernick (QB – Nevada/Reno) is 6’6" and 225.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Nov 2, 2010 7:44 PM PDT reply actions
Cameron Jordan
Does anyone know anything about him.
by manraj7 on Nov 2, 2010 11:30 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Here is a link on him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOx7bqKP4m0&feature=mfu_in_order&playnext=1&videos=9-4qTHUtZQw
I like him. He requires a double team or else he gets the sack or stops the run. When he gets blocked he sheds it nicely and smoothly. Also I saw him give his hand to the opposing running back after he tackled him. He has a good motor which is important in the DE. Would gladly give a 2nd round pick for him.
looks good.
very quick for a man that big. not just fast, but quick. good explosion off the line, and he can shed blocks like nobody’s business. i also saw flashes of dominant bull rush on a few plays, so it would seem he’s powerful enough to play 3-4 DE in the NFL.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Supposed to be a second round prospect
Would love to get him
by manraj7 on Nov 4, 2010 2:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
i'm thinking i'll include him
in my next battle of the 3-round mocks.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
*Raises hand
Especially since Peterson dominated that matchup last year. I actually would have been more excited to see Peterson against Greg Childs from Arkansas but Childs is now out for the season so that matchup is dead.
ESPN showed a surprisingly in-depth analysis of last year’s matchup and Julio Jones had 0 receptions in 8 passes while Peterson was defending him. That’s the definition of a shutdown corner. Jones doesn’t have the speed to separate from Peterson.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 3, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
He also shut down AJ Green
Those guys are projected to be #1 WR in the NFL. If he could shut them down in college he should be able to shut them down in the NFL when the QB gets less time in the pocket.
yes if we have a top of the 1st round pick, we can trade down for two lower first round picks
or trade patrick willis
this is what I want to do
take the 2nd or 3rd best CB (Amukamara or Dowling) and the 3rd-4th QB. Of course, this is based on not having the top pick and on Troy Smith playing well enough to be a short-term option while the QBOTF develops.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
Well I did the math and I heard the Browns have a man crush on Luck
and since Luck should be available at our pick we could trade down and get either a first this year and a first next year or a first and a 2nd this year. I would prefer to do the first one. With this I would select the best CB available which will probably be Peterson. Amukamara has great coverage skill but he can stop the run better than Peterson.
where do you see us picking?
I’m guessing 4th-6th overall personally and don’t believe that either Peterson or Luck will still be on the board.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 3, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
You think a CB will be taken in the top 3 picks?
Not likely
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
Top 4
Yes. In a draft with no elite left tackle prospects I’m expecting Peterson to go 3rd-5th overall and Amukamara to go top 10 as well.
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by youALREADYknow on Nov 3, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Cb don't go that high
I expect both of those guys to be in the top 10 but none in the top 5. Considering that the point of a CB is to not be in the game.
by manraj7 on Nov 3, 2010 4:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Safeties didn't go that high
Until LaRon Landry and Eric Berry came along.
Times change. The reason CB’s didn’t go that high in the past is because it wasn’t as much of a passing league. Now in today’s passing NFL, a shutdown corner is just about the most valuable commodity available.
No team needing help in the secondary around picks 3-5 is going to pass on Patrick Peterson.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 3, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Prince might be the better overall CB
Because he can actually stop the run. Peterson sucks at tackling
by manraj7 on Nov 3, 2010 5:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Its a good year for CBs
Which is why I’m saying trade back to #8-10 and get a future pick and grab Locker or Peterson or Amukamara is they are still available
5-10 somewhere
figuring we’ll win just enough games to be out of the top 5 and thus probably miss the first QB and CB
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
I don't mind missing the top QB
I believe that Locker and Mallett has more potential than Luck does. Luck has the least potential to fail though. It all depends on if you have enough faith in your coaches to get the best out of the QB.
so you're saying
a) the Niners will be in line to pick Luck
AND
b) the Niners will or should pass on Luck
I highly doubt the former, AND flat out disagree with the latter. Luck is the consensus #1 guy, and the payoff to drafting a CB — even if he’s immediately the best CB in the league — would be lower than that with drafting Luck.
Seeing Crabtree's TD celebration made a friend of mine start calling the 49ers the "Goldmembers"--can't say I blame her!
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so....
You would rather have Andrew Luck than Revis or Asomugha right now? Bold statement.
Also, Luck is not the consensus #1 prospect in this draft. He’s the consensus mock draft selection at the #1 pick because that’s where lazy mock drafters always put top QB prospects and that’s an investment that most teams historically use on QB’s.
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by youALREADYknow on Nov 3, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe that's a bit strong...
but my logic is that the Niners stand to benefit more from bringing in a top prospect at QB given the current state of their roster at that position because of the absolutely massive impact top-notch quarterback play has on the game. Having an awesome Asomugha-level CB would obviously allow the defense to do a lot more in terms of blitzing and such, but he remains one player whose success only affects others indirectly—whereas a top QB’s success allows everyone on the offense to flourish. And good cornerbacks tend to be available mid-late 1st round whereas a top-level QB prospects go off the board really early.
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I hate to break it to you but if we pick Luck we don't get a mid first round pick
Also rookie QBs don’t do well in their first year. The teams that won with a rookie QB has a. A great D b. A great run game and other offensive weapons c. an easy schedule. If we trade that to the Browns the Browns won’t have any of those. They play in the AFC North one of the best divisions has no weapons other than Cribbs and their D is iffy at best. How many games this year have we lost because in the final two minutes one of our CB gets beat and sets them up for the FG or a TD. If Peterson can come in and be a good/great CB then we can move Clements down to #2 CB and he can shut those guys down and Spencer down to #3 and he can shut those guys down. Our D will be great and in 2012 when our new rookie QB comes in we have everything in place for him to be the best rookie QB ever.
Also rookie QBs don’t do well in their first year.
That’s lucky for the Niners because they won’t be much better next year as well. It shouldn’t matter how a rookie QB plays then, because we aren’t making the playoffs next year as well.
How many games this year have we lost because in the final two minutes one of our CB gets beat and sets them up for the FG or a TD.
Let me ask one thing. If we had a better QB then Alex, would we be in situations where a CB can lose us the game by fumbling an INT? Or a Kicker missing a FG? If we had a franchise QB (not saying Luck WILL become one) the team scores more points and has a longer time of possession, therefore there wouldn’t be as many close games for the Defense to lose.
If we have the #4 pick, and we have a choice between Luck and Peterson, we need to chose Luck. A possible franchise QB would make a bigger difference then a possible shutdown CB.
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Stephen Curry to David Lee
(insert QB here) to Michael Crabtree
by Hoopers Judge on Nov 4, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Luck is the #1 option because he is the QB that is least likely to fail
Locker has the potential to be the best QB in the draft. Since his line could barely contain a small dog we don’t get to see much of his pocket passing.
But other than that Locker is better than Luck in every single way
I'll agree that Luck has the highest floor of any QB prospects.
But I also think he has a higher ceiling then the other two, Locker and Mallet. They just don’t seem to have the same qualities that Luck shows. When I look at all three this is what I see. Mallet is the big-armed gunslinger with rumored work ethic and personal problems. Locker is the raw, athletic dual threat who still needs a lot of work and could possible be scarred for playing on an awful team. And Luck is the most complete passer who needs only a few tweaks before he can starting material in the NFL.
Yes Locker may be an exceptional athlete but he also has looked really bad recently. He is surrounded by an awful team, but do we want to draft damaged goods? He looked bad against a so-so Stanford defense. I’ll admit that I haven’t seen much of Locker, but what little I have, I still like Luck a lot more.
Mallet seems like a boom or bust pick. He’ll either become Ben Roethlisberger or Jeff George. And it’s just not a bet I’d be willing to take with the option of still getting Luck.
Like I already said, Luck is the most complete QB who could start Day 1 with less work then the other two. Also he seems to have better instincts, passing ability, and decision-making skills then the other two.
I’d be happy though if we got any of the three come Draft Day.
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Stephen Curry to David Lee
(insert QB here) to Michael Crabtree
by Hoopers Judge on Nov 4, 2010 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Luck does not have the highest ceiling
He is the most NFL ready which makes him the #1. Btw when you watch a game with Locker you will notice two things.
1. His line won’t hold up and 2. his WRs don’t want to catch the ball.
If you look at his ‘09 game tape you will notice that Locker is actually really good if he has time in the pocket. There is a reason why Locker may have been the #1 pick. Mallett isn’t a very good QB he can’t move around in the pocket which is an important thing to do. Back to Locker, Locker can literally make something out of nothing and the play isn’t over until he is on the ground.
P.S. Here is a link for how Locker played when he a better line than he does now. Note then he does now the line was still mediocre. Plus its against USC which had one of the best Ds when Carroll was there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhTjtK2EcWc
Not saying Locker is bad, but that he could be damaged goods.
I’d like a prospect like Locker on the team, but not at the high pick the Niners will have.
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Stephen Curry to David Lee
(insert QB here) to Michael Crabtree
by Hoopers Judge on Nov 7, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
agree with Hooper's Judge
the 49ers shouldn’t care how their pick does as a rookie. they probably won’t be contenders next year anyway.
besides, you draft a guy based on what you think he will do in years 3-10, not year 1.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
If thats the case I'd choose Locker
Locker has everything that I ask for that cannot be taught in a QB.
In case you are wondering
They are in this order
1. A quick throw never change a QB throwing motion.
2. Loyalty
3. competitiveness
4. toughness
5. Making something out of nothing
6. pocket presence when there is a pocket
If Locker was on a decent he would be the best QB in the draft
I'd love for is to draft Locker.
But he would need to sit a half-season or more. Hopefully Troy can nail down the starting job for the rest of the year and into the next.
But there is no chance in hell that Locker is worth that #4-7 pick we will get. We’d have to trade down, which is dangerous because a team in need of a QB could easily overdraft a Locker or Mallet.
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The New and Improved Bay Area Connections:
Madison Bumgarner to Gerald Buster "Jesus" Posey
Stephen Curry to David Lee
(insert QB here) to Michael Crabtree
by Hoopers Judge on Nov 4, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't understand that philosophy...
you either believe in a player or you dn’t no matter where they are selected. Especially first rounders. No matter where that guy is selected 9 times outta 10 you should be looking for a starter in the 1st.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
a top 5 pick is supposed to be a guy that is not supposed to bust
which is why they are pick first. The later you pick the more likely it is that the player will bust. Which is why I rank Luck over Locker. Locker can be a starter and I’m looking for him to start, but transitioning from College to NFL is difficult for a QB to do. Throwing a guy into the water can also drown him.
No on Locker for me... remind me of Alex in college.
In anycase, if you look at the history in the last decade or two, the successful first rounders have all just about started right away. Throw him in the water and see if he can swim with the sharks. This all depends on their football I.Q. as well of couse. That’s why I am so partial to Mallett. I feel that he is a project at the NFL level. There are other reasons I am opposed too.
The QB’s I relly like are few and far between but go like this:
Luck
Kaepernick
Gabbert
Stanzi
Garcia
Cousins
That’s basically it for me at this point.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
could you tell us more specifically
how Locker reminds you of Alex?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Football I.Q. for Mallett?
Really? He decimates Cover 2 in the exact areas that NFL QB’s attack.
I swear you have your mind made up and refuse to look at things objectively.
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by youALREADYknow on Nov 6, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the same of you and your perception....
definitely do not see it the way you do…that’s certain.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
My criteria
1. Poise/Passion/Competitiveness/Leadership (attitude)
2. Pocket Presence (sliding, stepping up, evading rush)
3. Decision Making/Progressions
4. Reading Defenses
5. Throwing Motion (I know it’s important, but can be overcome)
6. Arm Strength
Now, just because I have things rated 5th or 6th, that doesn’t mean they aren’t important. There is a minimum level of arm strength, for example, that a QB must possess…but I don’t start the search by finding the biggest arm first, is what I mean.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
Thats what I got. my first list wasn't in order of importance
I think throwing motion should be a little higher because you aren’t supposed to change a QBs throwing motion. While with enough hard work they can learn defenses and such. Even if they know how to read defenses in college they will have to relearn everything since nfl defenses are a lot more complex.
mostly I mean
having SOME experience diagnosing a defense rather than just running a spread with designed targets you look for on every play.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
huh?
Locker doesn’t have great intangibles, which is the #1 thing you can’t teach a QB in the NFL.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I said he does
When I look at a guy I look to see if I was on his team I would run into a wall for him. So far I only met one person who I would run into a wall and that was my coach. BEST LEADER EVER.
They should also be sure...
To lock their head coach and offensive coordinator into long term contracts so we don’t end up with the revolving door the 49ers had when trying to develop Smith.
We are currently #4
4 people ahead of us
1. Buffalo need defensive help over any QB help
2. Cowboys Romo ever heard of him
3. You don’t throw away a 2nd round pick in a year
4. US
If you haven’t read my other posts but here what we can get. If everything stays as is then we can get a 1st next year for dropping back 4 spots. Why would you not do this
I guess it doesn't make sense to me to
tread water for a year waiting for a QB that may or may not exist. I agree that our future looks brighter than the Browns’, but 1st round CBs take some seasoning too. Revis only became Revis in year three.
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QBs that may come out in 2012
Barkley
That Baylor QB
They both look really good and better than some prospects this year.
So if they do come out, does that mean...
we may actually have a few different QBs to pick from?
Or is this a situation where we have maybe 2-3 potential 1st rounders (Luck, Locker, Mallett) and a buncha other 4th-5th rounders?
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I don't know haven't looked too much in 2012
by manraj7 on Nov 4, 2010 8:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
if Buffalo finishes last
and picks first, BANK on the fact they’ll take Luck. Trading out of the #1 pick is almost unheard of and there’s no defensive player worth the top pick. Plus if they are worst in the league I’m guessing Fitzpatrick didn’t play well enough to be considered the future, even if it’s not all his fault.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
Fitzy would have to continue to play crazy-good
…and the Bills might still take Luck. It’d be nice if Luck slid to the Niners, but if the team can get things sorted out after the bye, they won’t be in line to take him.
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such a catch-22
Luck is really the only guy I’m pretty confident in but we’d have to lose a lot of games to have a shot at him
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
exactly.
Given the terrible way the Niners started the season, I almost want to root for them to lose so that they have a shot at Luck…but I can’t bring myself to root for them to lose.
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I just think that it is ridiculously dumb for the Bills to select Luck
Fitzpatrick is a beast and their defense is worse than ours.
agreed, their defense is the problem
That and their offensive line. But you know that teams always sell their rebuilding efforts by selecting Alex Smith highly-decorated college QBs that may or may not work out.
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Fitz is playing like a beast now
he’s had numerous chances to be the guy though (as Edwards struggled over the years) and hasn’t seized the opportunity. They can’t have a ton of confidence in him all of a sudden…anyone remember a guy named Derek Anderson?
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
Numerous chances?
Last year, he came in and played above average…but they didn’t want to make Trent Edwards lose his job for getting a concussion, so they yanked Fitz. He’s looked even better this year.
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played in:
4 games in 05
13 games in 08
10 in 2009
5 in 2010
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
if Fitzpatrick is such a beast.
then they can trade him for more picks to help out their defense. Luck would still be the best pick for them.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
The Bills are awful on the D-Line.
And there are quite a few 1st round D-Line prospects that could play well enough to become worthy of the 1st pick overall. The Bills have a lot of needs, and at the moment QB isn’t.
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Stephen Curry to David Lee
(insert QB here) to Michael Crabtree
by Hoopers Judge on Nov 4, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I like how the post said "what should we pick besides QB and CB"
and then that’s mostly what everyone is talking about anyways. Assuming our first 2 picks are QB and CB like the post says, our next pick should be BPA hopefully a pass rusher. I like picking BPA in the 3rd round because those guys usually are contributors right away. If we don’t like what position the BPA is because it’s not a need (say it’s another CB or a RB) then trade down.
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
I wonder if it is possible to run the Oregon offense in the NFL
There should be a way to implement it. Maybe for just a quarter preferably the last so after the D gets tired the offense kicks it into 2nd gear.
What I think will happen:
we’ll win just enough games to be out of the top 5 and thus we’ll watch Luck and Peterson both picked by our pick (probably pick 6-7 or so). At that point it may be hard to justify the next QB or CB on the board. I’d like to see us trade back to the teens and pick up a late 1st/early 2nd in the process. Or we can package a 2nd with it and guarantee a late 1st to go with the teens pick. Then we can take the 2nd/3rd best QB or CB in the teens and the other position in the late 20’s / early 30’s.
So perhaps Mallet and Dowling?
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
I have no sense for what Mallet would be like as a Pro QB
He could be Big Ben or he could be Derek Anderson.
Seeing Crabtree's TD celebration made a friend of mine start calling the 49ers the "Goldmembers"--can't say I blame her!
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sad thing is
if we don’t take one of the top 3-4 QB’s we’ll always be mired in the “what would have been” had we taken the best available QB
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
I guess that rules him out as a Big Ben type.
Seeing Crabtree's TD celebration made a friend of mine start calling the 49ers the "Goldmembers"--can't say I blame her!
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Or trade a pick or two for Vick and call it a day
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
I really don't like the idea of trading an early pick for a 30 year old scrambler.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
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(insert QB here) to Michael Crabtree
by Hoopers Judge on Nov 4, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
probably won't be possible.
if Vick gets franchised, there’s a good chance he won’t sign his tender before the draft, so it wouldn’t be possible to trade for him.
if he doesn’t get franchised, then he will sign a free agent deal. i can’t see a team signing him and then trading him for draft picks a month later.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I don't think we will draft high enoug to take Luck, IMO.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
i think we're drafting 6-8
somewhere right in there
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
I frequent Walterfootball a lot and they made a post on Luck vs Locker
http://walterfootball.com/scoutsnotebook101104.php
The one thing I noticed is that Locker was always under pressure or that his WR were never open. While Luck had all day to throw. I continuously bring up that Luck’s deep passes hang and Walterfootball believes that too. I linked it above in case you guys want to read it.
I didn't have time to read through all of these but because there is so much discussion on Luck vs Locker vs Mallett and if Luck is worth a high draft pick here is are all the game logs that Walterfootball.com made
Locker vs USC
http://walterfootball.com/scoutsnotebook101006.php
Luck vs Notre Dame
http://walterfootball.com/scoutsnotebook100722.php
Ryan Mallett vs East Carolina
http://walterfootball.com/scoutsnotebook100723.php
Locker vs BYU
http://walterfootball.com/scoutsnotebook100909.php
I’ll read them during class or whenever I’m bored and I’ll post a small paragraph on my take of each game log.
hmmmm...
I’d be thrilled if this actually became a debate come draft time…because it’d mean that the Niners have a better chance of coming out of the 2011 draft with a legit quarterback. It is remarkable how Locker has fallen off the face of the earth in terms of buzz, and I guess that could owe to a total failure by the rest of his team (as Walter seems to suggest).
Everybody said Matt Ryan was a legit pro prospect despite his nearly 1:1 TD/Int ratio because he had little talent to work with, and that’s born itself out in the pros. I wonder if the same will be true of Locker.
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horrible decision
the DB was beating the WR down the field before he even threw it…more on the decision than the throw itself.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
good reads but...
it almost seems as though he’s sold on Locker and soured a little on Luck to the point where he sees what he wants to see a little bit. Good point though that Luck doesn’t get a lot of pressure…of course, he wouldn’t get much pressure in SF if the line continues to develop and play like Sunday vs. Denver but there was some designed free rush in that game that I’m not sure how a guy handles if he’s not accustomed to it.
I like Locker’s leadership and poise more than anything…he’s a gutty guy and I do like that. I’ve yet to see much of him on TV though because I don’t get many west coast games out here.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
he sees what he wants to see a little bit
That was my impression too, but I haven’t watched the games he was looking at, so what do I know.
Seeing Crabtree's TD celebration made a friend of mine start calling the 49ers the "Goldmembers"--can't say I blame her!
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I wouldn't say that he's is sour on Luck
He has him mocked going first overall, but raises the sane concerns about Luck that have been raised here. However, I do agree that he is sold on Locker, but his view of him seems to come from film of previous years, as this years film is pretty much smackdown on Lockers part.
I requested a video of Locker this year
Hopefully I get one or I will try to write a game log
by manraj7 on Nov 4, 2010 2:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
vs. ASU
courtesty of Aaron Aloysius
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
my take from the ASU game:
Locker forced a lot of throws to covered receivers in this one. His O-Line generally played OK but he did get pressured some. He wasn’t always accurate either, a few passes high and away. His athleticism is good but he didn’t always make the right decision in the pocket (stepped or scrambled into pressure a few times).
His attitude and tenacity was impressive…he didn’t have that sheepish look that Alex Smith seems to have after every bad play.
Overall not his best game.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
also seemed he stared down receivers some
are these observations typical of his play? I haven’t seen much of him.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
I don't get many of his games where I am so I can't say.
Also his left side of the O-line has 2 true freshman playing. Which is why he got sacked like five times. ASU isn’t a great defense and they got pressure with a 4 man rush the line isn’t very good.
Ok so I see where you see the staring down the receivers
Those are quick throws where he is doing it. It is clear that the guy who is calling the plays doesn’t trust the O-line so he does the short passes and the bootlegs. At the 6:30 mark you will see that there was a good deep ball that hit the wr in the hands but was dropped. It was in stride maybe half a foot too high but that pass would have been caught in the NFL for a huge gain. Locker is really accurate on the move. He stands straight up in the pocket even though he knows he was going to get hit. Since ASU is able to get pressure with a four man rush the WR are unable to get open. When you say he walks into defenders I think you mean the play at around the 6:50 mark. Locker was trapped so he was going to get sacked anyways and the WRs were covered. He throws a bit high sometimes and then other times he hits a WR in stride. Has good pocket presence and moves around when he feels pressure which is often. Around the 8:20 mark Locker has nothing and broke out a 13 yard gain on 4th and 12. 9:10 mark horrible throw by Locker that resulted in pick in the endzone. Was thrown behind the WR and was picked off.
My analysis
0:10 Locker on a bootleg kept eyes down the field once he saw that no one was open dove forward shoulder first.
0:30 3rd and 8 threw it for 6 yards WR fell forward 1 yard.
0:41 PA bootleg to the right threw it away before he got sacked since no one was open good decision
0:52 B E A U tiful pass fit it in between tight coverage and was a perfect throw and hit the WR in stride
1:10 QB run hit at the line and forced himself two more yards for a TD
1:20 quick throw
1:32 pocket is collapsing steps up and throws it to a WR pass interfence
1:46 Pocket collapses Locker steps forward and hits #11 for a long gain
2:00 Screen short gain
2:09 quick accurate pass
2:24 Blitz avoids the pressure and quickly throws away the ball but threw it too high
2:30 pressure was coming Locker tries to scramble but runs into more pressure and gets sacked.
2:46 led a wide receiver for a decent gain. Nice catch and throw
2:56 another short quick throw hit the guy in stride so he can get more YAC
3:05 Pressure realized it and lobbed it up to his checkdown
Will finish 3:05-6:00 in the evening
hilarious
So Drew…. I guess now a few of us on NN aren’t the only ones to notice the floated ducks downfield from Luck.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 4, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
The guy on walterfootball.com has lost all credibility in my eyes
He’s been whiffing badly on prospects recently.
I have the game on my DVR, Jake Locker played like crap.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 4, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
or can you do a game log
Just watch Locker not the whole team. Also watch the O-Line and see if he actually gets time in the pocket.
His OL was playing really badly early on
But as the game went on Locker was just flat out missing players.
I don’t want to do a game log because these guys already did one.
The game was really boring and didn’t really tell me anything I didn’t already know.
I could do a log for the upcoming Stanford/Arizona game.
That should be interesting.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 5, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
If you live in NoCal you should get plenty of UW games.
I live in SoCal…
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Best QB option for next year?
Alex Smith. Draft a corner in the first… or a DE. We have other needs
Alex Smith isn't even the best QB option on the team right now.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
can anyone find Alex Smith's scouting report?
I wanna compare what scout’s said about Alex Smith vs. what they are saying about prospects this year and compare the similarities.
This is what I am currently looking for in a QB can you guys see if I am missing anything
Intangibles:
Loyalty
competitiveness
toughness
pocket presence
tangibles:
Arm strength
accuracy
quick release
game play:
accurate on the move
makes something out of nothing
So basically, Andrew Luck?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 5, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Locker has better intangibles
and Luck never had to make something out of nothing he always had something.
Better intangibles?
How do you determine that? Luck has way more moxie than Locker. He plays the game with Swag and Locker doesn’t really. Locker reminds me of Alex Smith in college minus the spread offense.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
NO way...strongly disagree.
And Mallett probably has the lowest football I.Q. out of the top 3. If you look at Arkansas offense, it seems very simple.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
i'm with manraj on this.
i noticed a long time ago that Ryan Mallett has swagger spilling out his ears.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
and his nose
when he gets sick he doesn’t get sick he gets more swag. When his nose runs its just his body telling him that he has too much swag.
We weren't talking about football IQ which is the dumbest thing ever
How are you proving that someone has a high “football IQ”. Football IQ is called work ethic notice the people who have the highest football IQ and look at how hard they work.
Well here's the way I see it...
Arkansas runs a form of spread… and the spread offense is one of the easiest to grasp. It’s not very complicated. Yet at certain times, against certain teams Mallett still does crappy.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Ya I noticed that too
Some of his decisions make me face palm. I love his arm one of the best arms I have ever seen probably better than anyone in the NFL right now excluding Russell. Did you also notice that Mallett when he is in the pocket just stands there and doesn’t move.
Complicated offense
Can you please tell me what’s complicated about Stanford’s power running game for the QB?
They essentially bring 8 men in the box and iso their receivers every single play. That’s by far one of the easiest situations for a QB to throw into.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 6, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Try rewatching the highlights from the Stanford vs. USC game
…not that it will change your opinion ’cause it seems as though you are very against Andrew Luck for some reason. I just wonder what your opinion will be once (and IF of course) he becomes a Niner.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
I said numerous times that Luck is the best QB on my board
and Luck vs USC I watched and rewatched numerous times. I will do a game log on it if you really want me too. Were you talking about this link?
Because if I look at that game it will put Luck under a poor light
Because it is from last year. Even I know that Luck improved from last year. The problem with viewing Luck’s tape is that if I watch a live game I have a lot of things I am trying to process while I’m watching the game. Such as watching the D how the plays are called why the plays are called. How do you counter these plays. I wait till the game tape on the player is put on youtube or I remember to record the game. So if you can find a recent video of Luck playing a game I will be all for it and like I said numerous times I CAN ONLY SPEAK ON WHAT I SEE.
A game log?
What are you lookin at a stat line? Is that all you’re doing? Ahhh… the joys of being a teenager and knowing everything… I miss those days.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
No I don't look at stat lines
I look at the game tape. Dude I have no idea where you are getting your stuff. If I look at stat lines Mallett would be the #1 pick Kellen Moore would be in top 3 and Locker would go undrafted. I don’t know how many times I said this so I am going to Bold it capitalize it and Italicize it so that you can see what I am saying. I CAN ONLY SPEAK ON WHAT I SEE. And why do you never answer my questions was that the USC game you were talking about.
Also I said numerous times that I realize that I do not know everything and that I go around browsing the internet so that I can learn
Why do you think I am even on this site.
I dont know everything either. But I do know what I know. I’ve been analyzing the game since I was 18-19 years old… I’m 32 now. Not that it makes me an expert but it’s a lot of years.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Totally I understand
Believe it or not I’m trying to soak up as much knowledge as possible. So I can be an informed reader instead of a mindless parrot.
This years USC game... yes. Dont know how I could be anymore clear.
Andrew Luck led the TEAM to a game winning drive in the 4th Qtr.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
I'm pretty sure it's on youtube.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Besides, I saw it too
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Luck is confident in himself
That’s “swag”
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
He has to be a diva
nah…
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 7, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
I'm just saying, you don't need to be a diva to have "swag"
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 8, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Btw there is more than just swag in intangibles
Intangibles:
Loyalty: Locker stayed another year so that he can give UW a chance of victory and passed up millions and millions of dollars. I don’t have an example of Loyalty from Luck
competitiveness: They are both competitive which is why they are starters for a D1 team.
toughness: Locker has to be tough considering what he has for a line. He stands tall in the pocket and lowers his shoulder to get an extra yard.
pocket presence: Locker has decent pocket presence I haven’t seen Luck show any of that because his Line has mostly held back the pressure.
From what I see I see that Locker has more things that I look for in a QB than Luck. I’m not saying that Luck doesn’t have it just saying that I haven’t seen it from Luck.
Loyalty?
He commited to Stanford and hasn’t transfered. What more loyalty do you want? He’s loyal to his teammated week in and week out. He never gives up, etc. etc… Locker is Alex Smith all over again… DO NOT WANT.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
... not transferring out of one of the best colleges in the world is loyalty?
Wow and I expect a guy to be loyal to his team mates I want my QB to be loyal to everything. I want my QB to take a cut in his salary so that the TEAM can get better players. I want my QB to stay another year in college and skip the money just to give his college a chance even if its a slimmer of hope to go to the championship game.
I want my QB to take a cut in his salary so that the TEAM can get better players
So by that standard, I suppose we ought to keep Alex Smith cause that’s exactly what he did. C’mon… You’ve got to be kidding.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Other things are also required in a QB and Smith took the pay cut because he would have been released
Brady took a pay cut so that he can get better players on his team. That is what I want from a QB he knew that he could get a lot of money and instead of going out and taking every penny that he could get he took a pay cut so that he could add pieces to his team that would make the whole team better.
You said Locker is Alex Smith
can you explain. Because I can say that Mallett is the next Big Ben or Luck is the next Brady Quinn or Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Yeah, I can...
All the physical tools and knowledge of the game but absolutely ZERO drive to bring out the best in his team. Lacking MAJOR leadership… all that and more…
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
...
Can you show me an example of Locker not having leadership. I know I am asking for a lot but I don’t see what you are seeing so if you could give me an example I could zero in on it.
Inspiring your team means bringing out the best in them...at the very least he offensive side of the ball.
I don’t care what people say about ffotball being a “TEAM” sport. The quarterback inspires the ENTIRE team. If he doesn’t he is not a true leader. So you tell me… I will throw the question back on you… what has Jake Locker done at Washington to bring the best out of his teammates???
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
The biggest similarity I see is the hesitation issue
It has doomed Alex Smith and it will doom Locker.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Woah!
That’s just false.
Locker hesitates when he plays. That should point to some glaring intangible issues.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
You haven't seen him hesitate?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 7, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
That's even worse
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 8, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
i would add poise
and the ability to stay calm when you need to but get fired up when it helps.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
at 14
I would hope we trade something to get robert quinn
good chance of being one of the best olb in the league
that would be sweet peterson and quinn
new england with raiders pick at 13 might be wiling to trade also
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 5, 2010 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions
what you think?
1st round cornerback – Patrick Peterson or Prince Amukamara
2nd round wideout – Jonathan Baldwin or Leonard Hankerson
3rd round – quarterback Nick Foles or Cameron Newton
4th round – fs/ss – if no goldshon / if goldshon – wr- austin bettis
4th round – de Pernell McPhee or Jared Crick – probably already gone by this round
5th round – rb derrick locke good size and speed
6th round -nt
7th round – te or dt or de
Put his footage next to Matt Leinart’s… just sayin’
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
I think he could be a steal
But he is really really skinny. 6’0’’ 185 lbs thats like a stick. I wonder if he could put on like 20-30 more lbs.
He's not going to be a good NFL QB...
His numbers are very inflated because of the offense that is run at Boise State… Put him on a team like ASU or something like that and you would see the real him… he may not even be a starter.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
I think he can be an excellent back-up
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s going a little overboard
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
I've been watching Alex Smith this year in the NFL as well as the Raiders
and college football QBs aren’t very good
Watch some halftime shows
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 8, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
For anyone doubting Andrew Luck... I just wanted to post these stats from other QB's that have had college AND pro success
Mark Sanchez
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=174154
Matt Ryan
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=146254
Matthew Stafford
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183518
Sam Bradford (rare)
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188934
Alex Smith
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=134662
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
That is the point
You have to look beyond the balck and white… and I do. I don’t (like most pundits) look only at that. I will put together a very informative post here soon…. with lots of info…and onfo beyond the balck and white. Let everyone in to my world a little more in how I evaluate… Don’t know when it will be but when it hits everyone will know. At least the regular posting people.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Stats only show a little bit there is still a lot to be seen in the game tape
For example I’ve seen two passes thrown by Locker that hit the WR in the hands that fell incomplete. Good play by Locker bad play by the WR looks bad on the QB
With the 4th overall pick,
The San Francisco 49ers select CB Patrick Peterson LSU.
Blaine Gabbert is the guy if there is no possibilty of Andrew Luck
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
well deserved blank stare
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 6, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok...blank stare me later when he winds up being a steal in the 4th or 5th...
until then… save it.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
4th/5th round
That’s about right. I’d even consider him in the 3rd/4th range. Your comment gave off the impression that Gabbert was the 2nd best prospect to take in this draft.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 8, 2010 5:46 AM PST up reply actions
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