49ers vs. Rams: The 3rd Down Elephant in the Room
by Tre9er on Nov 16, 2010 2:00 PM PST
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PrintThe 49ers just pulled off a heart-attack-inducing victory over the St. Louis Rams this past Sunday that saw more ups and downs than Kentwan Balmer running Mount Singletary. The game saw a heroic late-game performance by Troy Smith along with crucial plays made by his receivers. Smith threw for 356 yards on only 17 completions and was money when he needed to be.
Where Troy wasn't "money" though was on third down. The team converted ZERO (that's one less than one, for those scoring at home) third downs out of ELEVEN attempts...ten of which were passing plays by Smith.
It's been discussed by a few, Mike Sando, Trent Dilfer, and I'm sure others: The 49ers and Troy Smith can't sustain this type of play forever. Dilfer went on to say of Troy Smith, "he's not a very good drop-back quarterback."
Dilfer went on to talk about Troy converting third downs to keep drives alive, which we all can agree on. There were ten (they went for it on fourth down in the 4th quarter) instances where the drive stalled in this game and only twice did the team end up with points from field goals. The penalties were killer in this game but so were the third downs.
That got me thinking about things a little and caused me to wonder something in my head (well, it's hard to say, only the dogs were here so no one could accuse me of talking to myself). "Have the 49ers been passing WAY more on third down lately or is it just me?"
I dug around and found one of SBNation's own Matt Grecco from Stampede Blue, who wrote a piece back in June about third down run/pass mix. I had been having a hard time finding the stats on this so I emailed Matt, who graciously provided me with a neat little spreadsheet for the 49ers' third down plays thus far in 2010. We'll dig into this further, after the jump.
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As you can see, my thoughts betrayed me...we actually ran nearly 62% of the time on third down against Denver, Troy Smith's first start. Still, I thought this table would be interesting to post and take a look at for everyone. Back to Sunday's game vs. St. Louis...
You can see the team was in third-and-short only twice the whole game, and in third-and-medium only two more times. Seven of the eleven (not the quickie-mart, stay focused here) third down attempts came in long (8+ yards) situations.
This points to the fact that the team wasn't picking up enough (or any) yards on first and second down. As I marinated on that (in a vinegar and herb dressing) I thought to myself again: I bet it's due to Troy's down-field, let-it-fly style of play! There are going to be more incompletions when you take chances and that means zero yards gained on those downs. Of course, the aforementioned penalties also contributed to some of the third-and-long plays.
Here are some snippets from the GameBook that show downs 1-3 leading to each third-and-long play:
1-10-SL 28 (8:54) F.Gore left end to SL 21 for 7 yards (O.Atogwe).
2-3-SL 21 (8:09) T.Smith sacked at SL 29 for -8 yards (C.Long, J.Laurinaitis).
3-11-SL 29 (7:27) (Shotgun) T.Smith sacked at SL 36 for -7 yards (J.Laurinaitis).
1-3-SL 3 (13:04) F.Gore up the middle to SL 3 for no gain (C.Dahl).
2-3-SL 3 (12:15) T.Wragge reported in as eligible. T.Smith pass incomplete short right to V.Davis (C.Long).
3-3-SL 3 (12:11) (Shotgun) PENALTY on SF-T.Smith, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at SL 3 - No Play.
3-8-SL 8 (12:11) (Shotgun) T.Smith pass incomplete short left to Del.Walker (F.Robbins). Ball knocked down by Robbins
1-10-SF 44 (3:32) F.Gore left end to SF 45 for 1 yard (G.Selvie).
2-9-SF 45 (2:47) F.Gore up the middle to SF 46 for 1 yard (C.Dahl).
3-8-SF 46 (2:00) (Shotgun) T.Smith pass incomplete short left to T.Ginn.
1-10-SL 48 (13:27) F.Gore left tackle to SL 45 for 3 yards (F.Robbins).
2-7-SL 45 (12:49) F.Gore up the middle to SL 48 for -3 yards (C.Ah You).
3-10-SL 48 (12:05) (Shotgun) T.Smith sacked at SL 48 for 0 yards (J.Hall). FUMBLES (J.Hall), recovered by SF-A.Snyder at SF 45. A.Snyder to SF 45 for no gain (C.Long).
1-10-SF 20 (6:38) (Shotgun) T.Smith pass incomplete short middle to J.Morgan (J.Cudjo).
2-10-SF 20 (6:34) T.Smith pass incomplete deep right to J.Morgan.
3-10-SF 20 (6:27) (Shotgun) T.Smith pass incomplete short left to T.Ginn.
1-10-SF 15 (2:42) F.Gore up the middle to SF 17 for 2 yards (C.Dahl).
2-8-SF 17 (2:07) (Shotgun) T.Smith pass short left to V.Davis pushed ob at SF 22 for 5 yards (C.Dahl).
PENALTY on SF-J.Morgan, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SF 22. Caught at SF 14.
2-13-SF 12 (1:36) (Shotgun) T.Smith scrambles up the middle to SF 18 for 6 yards (G.Selvie). SL-O.Atogwe was injured during the play.
3-7-SF 18 (:54) (Shotgun) T.Smith pass incomplete deep right to D.Zeigler (C.Ah You).
1-10-SL 23 (10:11) (Shotgun) T.Smith pass short left to B.Westbrook to SL 19 for 4 yards (B.Kehl). SF-J.Staley was injured during the play. Caught at SL 24.
2-6-SL 19 (9:28) (Shotgun) T.Smith pass short left to M.Crabtree for 19 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty.
PENALTY on SF-A.Davis, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SL 19 - No Play.
2-16-SL 29 (9:21) (Shotgun) T.Smith pass incomplete deep middle to J.Morgan (C.Dahl).
3-16-SL 29 (9:14) (Shotgun) T.Smith pass incomplete deep left to V.Davis (C.Dahl).
You can see a lot of incompletions, sacks, and penalties contributed to third-and-long, which are difficult plays to convert. You can also see that sacks were the reason for two failed third down conversions from the above list...although we can't guarantee those would have been converted had Troy not been sacked.
Still I think it's fair to say that protection, penalties, holding onto the ball, and receivers not being open (ahem, Ted Ginn) all combined to create the third-down-poo-storm we witnessed on Sunday. To me that says that it was just a case of Murphy's Law, anything that can go wrong, did go wrong...when it comes to third down anyways.
Yes, the O-Line can play better (man Chris Long is a beast!), Troy can speed up his mental clock a bit, and the receivers can start running the right routes...or Zeigler could just play 3rd WR. But the fact that all of this went wrong at the same time means it wasn't all Troy's fault for being in third-and-long, though he probably did have a chance to convert a few of them and didn't.
Incidentally I was not able to contact Mr. Murphy to further discuss his law. Perhaps our own David Fucillo (Fooch) can shed some light on this section of the law-books?
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I agree and disagree...
Troy was in bad situations all night on 3rd down but great (and good) QB’s need to convert a few of those once in a while.
1 for 11 would have been an issue but 0 for 11 is a disaster. It’s the same problem we had with Alex Smith and it is DEFINITELY a by product of the overall offensive sloppiness. Still, a franchise QB has to be able to make a big play in a bad situation once in a while and Troy did on that late 4th down… I just need to see more of it.
yeah, my point is though
that it was a perfect storm of penalties, sacks (some of which are his fault) and playcalling.
TOP was skewed, we subsequently only attempted 28 passes and 26 runs compared to the Rams 24 runs and 42 passes. It was an ugly game…not so much just on Troy, but I agree he was the one with the ball in his hands on 10 of those 3rd downs.
Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
Nitwitter
Lol the difference between issue and disaster is one third down conversion?
by GrayDilla on Nov 16, 2010 2:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
And I would like to point out, it is his 4th Career start.
He will improve over time. He is just getting started. If you look at that chart, we were 1 for 17 in the first 3 games of the season on 3rd and long. Picked things up in the 4th and 5th game, but have struggled since. It is something to work on, but I don’t think it is something to worry about. Having an actual pass threat will open things up. We won’t HAVE to pass for every 3rd and long play anymore.
As a team, even with no pass threat, we are 1 for 6 converting 3rd and long (and you could argue, many of those are not really intended to get the first, just hoping not to throw an INT near our goal line). We are 10 of 45 for passes on 3rd and long.
Third downs
I would argue they “converted” one third down. On 3rd and 32 they chopped off 14 yards and then converted the 4th and 18. It counts as a failed third down conversion, but given the situation I think that would be considered a successful third down.
Don't forget the (called back) TD to VD...
…that came on 3rd-and-22.
great play
But it actually wouldn’t have counted in the third down conversion ratio because they had to re-do the play. But yes, it was an amazing third down conversion.
by David Fucillo on Nov 16, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
go to nfl.com
Download the gamebook…you will see the drive chart
Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
Nitwitter
by Tre9er on Nov 16, 2010 5:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Murphy's Law
We’ve chatted at various network events over the years. I think he’s a tricky little bugger. I actually think the first half was a bit of Murphy’s law and the 49ers can hopefully expect a bit of positive karma in the second half. That alone could be worth a couple wins.
delay of game on 3rd and 3
that one hurts.
holding penalties can be sporadic…but this clock management biz is something that should be ironed out by now.
The first sack
2 free rushers came and Troy was sacked at 3 seconds. Vernon Davis and Frank Gore were both in pass protection leaving Troy with few checkdown options.
Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
Nitwitter
Second sack
he should hit Crabtree on the slant…coverage was tight but there was no LB underneath to jump it for an INT…he had over 3 seconds.
Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
Nitwitter
I see 3 of the sacks as Troy's fault
(out of the total 5 in the game, not just on 3rd down)
He will have to get better there.
Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
Nitwitter
Which do you blame on the one that wasn’t really a sack, rather an incompletion that was incorrectly called a fumble?
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
with the money in the NFL
There needs to be professional referees. Then they can get younger, more athletic guys that study the rules and are more prepared for gameday. Then we can have fantasy reffing and trading cards
by mcwagner on Nov 16, 2010 6:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
still his clock needs to go off sooner
Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
Nitwitter
by Tre9er on Nov 16, 2010 5:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is my worry about Troy
He makes tremendous big plays… But since he’s not a 7-15 yard pocket passer I think we’ll have trouble sustaining long drives against defenses that don’t give up 40 yard big play after big play.
Gimme 1 round!
it should be noted
and it will be later in the week…Troy made several good throws, including the TD to Crabtree to go-ahead, in the pocket.
Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
Nitwitter
I think that was his 2nd best pass of the night
The best being him rolling out in the endzone and making the 15 yard touch pass on the move to VD for about 30 yards
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 16, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
he throws well on the move
but he doesn’t have to be moving to do so. The Crabtree pass was beautiful because he bounced on the balls of his feet, in the pocket, before delivering that pass on a frozen rope to the only place Crabtree could catch it.
Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
Nitwitter
his feet have balls
I noticed that he bounces around in the pocket a lot
zing!
you know
as opposed to happy feet…he just bounces, looking, looking. He needs to pull the trigger at 3 though
Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
Nitwitter
Keep in mind
The Rams do have the best pass rush in the NFL. Considering it was only his second game played this season and 4th overall, I am quite pleased with how he played, 3rd down conversions aside.
Just imagine how that might have turned out had Alex been back there. Rams may have been breaking some records in sacks, I don’t even want to think about it.
yeah
I was saying I loved his pocket presence. He lightly bounced around on his toes, not danced and scurried like someone else we know
Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
Nitwitter
agreed
I was telling some of my co-workers he had a Vick-esq type performnce. (I live in DC so they dont see the Niners) Hard to compare anyone to Vick after last week, but the way he kept plays alive was impressive and his ability to throw on the run. I really like a QB that can run, someone who gets you positive yards regardless of a play breaking down. I just hope like hell he continues this level of play.
He is more like .....
Steve McNair then Mike Vick
how many plays did otogwe miss?
curious if smith got any big plays while OJ was on the pine
the biggest plays were YAC plays
and more than a few were early on. OJ was injured later in the game I believe
Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
Nitwitter
4th and 18
Gore for the first down?
I think he has to make faster decisions and not take the sack, but I am not doubting his passing. Everytime he sets back, I am seeing TD or First Down. I would like to see him scramble more, but I saw Vick and got a little bit jealous. lol
>< just win the d**n game or else! Or else what? Exactly!
oh, but don't you love
gore catching that ball with full momentum towards the marker.
troy makes some really nice throws.
and that play was improv too
Gore saw that when he leaked out the DB’s were nowhere to be found so he told Troy he’d just keep going if no one was there to cover him…great play by some playmakers. Defenses also have a hard time defending against these guys because they’re adapting on the fly
Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
Nitwitter
But
that is chemistry and they are playing with a new hope.
>< just win the d**n game or else! Or else what? Exactly!
Oh yeah
I love it. No fear of INTs when is dropping back!
>< just win the d**n game or else! Or else what? Exactly!
Defenses have yet to respect the deep pass
Understandably based on the first seven games. If they begin to back off deep, the medium range throws and running game should improve.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I would really like to see them implement more crossing routes. Best route you can run, and I just don’t see enough of it, if any at all at times from them.
and rub routes
bring the TE/slot WR from the left side over to cross with a receiver from the right side, pick the DB and roll Troy to the right to hit receiver in stride for a YAC play
Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
Nitwitter
Sustaining long drives
Doesn’t not equate to putting points on the board. The 49ers were good at sustaining drives but second to dead last at putting points on the board. I’ll take the extra 5 points a game over 3rd down conversions.
"Coach, it came down like a hail marry"
Technically, Troy converted three
Except two were called back due to penalty (both were TDs to VD).
As for the third, why does the PI call in OT, which converted a third down, not count officially as a conversion?
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Excellent Work
Thanks for digging into the details and discovering the 49ers were mostly in 3rd and un-makeable for a majority of these positions. A certainly didn’t remember Troy blowing a makeable 3rd down play during the game.
"Coach, it came down like a hail marry"
We finally got creative with the run late in the second half and opened up the offense. That drive that made it 17-13 after the called back touchdown didn’t include a single run the entire drive.
by GrayDilla on Nov 16, 2010 2:46 PM PST via mobile reply actions
trent dilfur
annoys the hell outta me. i swear this dude talks like he’s steve young. he must really think he was a good qb or something. bum.
Alex Smith is garbage...
hahah
Yes! thats exactly my point! great minds think alike
by Colombian49er on Nov 16, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Trent Dilfer thinks he has expertise on QB, because of his SB ring. And he thinks he knows the Niners because of his brief stint with the team. I think to say Troy can’t convert 3rd downs because of this last game is reaching pretty far. It’s nice to know he can convert that huge 4th down though.
Run the table, Niners!
i dont blame Trent
He’s on TV so he has to make bold statements otherwise why listen to him? If you followed him at any point of his career he was very likable, a team guy, and humble. Get the camera off of him and I’m sure he tones it down.
He actually was a very intelligent quarterback, but lacked the survival instinct to play well under pressure (much like Alex Smith). I would like to see him do a coaching stint and off TV. He could have a future in coaching, he sucks on air
by mcwagner on Nov 16, 2010 6:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think that it is more a product of our our pass play style.
Most of our passing success came off of play action, which we ran alot of. The defense has no reason to bite on play action when it’s 3rd and 8. The simply rushed 4 men and waited for one of the linemen to get beat, at which point Troy either got sacked or couldn’t hit his man with the ball.
I was "Deific16"
The cake is a lie.
by Sultan of Seitan on Nov 16, 2010 2:54 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Trent Dilfer
Where does Dilfer get the balls to criticize a 49er QB? I recognize that he is a great NFL analyst, but when it comes to talking about a 9er QB he should just plead the 5th and walk away like a blackjack dealer at the end of their shift (shows his hands in front of the table and walks away)
I can care less
ESPN rides the lower region of a man’s area of the Cowboys, Patriots anyway. Somebody is always going to be negative. He is getting paid for his opinion and that all it is. He speak no facts and I pretty much ignore him anyway.
I wish ESPN spread the love to a lot more teams, but I guess you have to pay to play!
>< just win the d**n game or else! Or else what? Exactly!
Gameday on NFLN
Rich, deion, and mooch is great. I love their chemistry. Gameday final with fran and Irvin is flat horrible. Michael Irvin just yells and laughs above everyone and wets himself when discussing Dallas.
by mcwagner on Nov 16, 2010 6:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
creativity
Troy will get better on third down when our play calling can get more creative and put some of our more dynamic players in the back field or westbrook in the slot. an end around to crabtree or something that will take the defense off guard. Or you can always get a good push on the line and get a QB draw with Troy smith on 3rd and 1-5
murphy will be here tomorrow
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffen
all i have to say is
we should’ve gotten vick. maybe all those idiot klansmen n peta sympathizing 9er fans can see how far ahead we’d be if we would’ve made that pickup. i don’t care how many cotdamn dogs vick fought. i cant stand those peta clowns for standing in the way of getting vick.
Alex Smith is garbage...
Excellent
Lump 49ers fans in with Klansmen and PETA. Not to mention 49ers fans don’t make front office & personnel moves to begin with genius.
"Coach, it came down like a hail marry"
I'm not a klansman or a PETA groupie
But having dogs fight each other to the death basically is repulsive and unforgivable. Phluck Vick.
Maybe you’ld like to hire OJ Simpson as a running back coach when he gets out of the klink?
'Careful Grasshopper ~ that's a god you're mauling.'
I know, you and Jed hang out a skinhead fur attack gatherings all the time.
"Coach, it came down like a hail marry"
Jamie Dukes on NFL network said he knows for a FACT the 49ers tried to get vick. I don’t know how to support this, but that’s what the large man said
by mcwagner on Nov 16, 2010 6:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
let me say
For the 2010 season not 09. Vick was toxic last year, can’t blame anyone for not reaching for him
by mcwagner on Nov 16, 2010 6:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oh no, Fire the HC
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
I have to vent a little folks so I ‘ll say I’m sorry inadvance. The hell with dilfer and anyone else who won’t give Troy some props. These morons give all kinds of incourgement and hi fives to the dog killer. All they want to do is tear apart Troy and give all kinds of reasons why he won’t continue his success, Bunch of B.S. if you ask me? Troy came to San Fran. just before the season started, was told he would be the starter with out any real time to prepare. Troys young and he’s only in the league 4 years and made a total of 4 starts including his days in Baltimore. He’s 3 & 1 in those starts thrown no interceptions. Give some credit when and where’s it due, especially if your going to give a guy like the piece crap that vick is such high prays.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Nov 16, 2010 4:09 PM PST reply actions
They do need to chill out with the nonsense regarding Troy Smith..........
but regarding Vick, are you serious? You’re free to have whatever opinion you’d like about anyone, but their praise of Vick is highly warranted! Have you seen that dude play? Looked at those numbers? I can understand you not being happy with what he did, but that doesn’t change the fact that dude is balling. Philly just might win the Super Bowl this year with him playing like that
Just like they say about Troy
It was just one game. Lets see him do it every week. Redskins were flat sorry in that game.
He's done it for more than one week. You don't play fantasy football?
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Oh I'm not saying he has only showed up for that one game..
But I can’t see him repeating that performance again. Not unless another D decides to not show up. Not to say he isn’t capable of it. I should say I hope he doesn’t do that too many more times, lol. He has been good, but he hasn’t had a game like that one before.
Dilfer criticizing Troy Smith is like...
JTO trying to give Steve Young tips on how to play QB in the NFL…preposterous!
He could give Young tips on how to get a great nickname. JTO is awesome. Steve Young leaves me wanting more
by mcwagner on Nov 16, 2010 6:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
4 career starts
He will improve with game experience. He has a great feel for instinctively playing the game.
by Jaxson876 on Nov 16, 2010 4:23 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Oh my goodness.
that saw more ups and downs than Kentwan Balmer running Mount Singletary.
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thanks
Trying to add just a tad more satire to things.
Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
Nitwitter
by Tre9er on Nov 16, 2010 5:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We appreciate it. This is supposed to be fun
by mcwagner on Nov 16, 2010 6:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I dont understand ESPN
Dilfer is out critsizing QB That kills me I do not know why they have him or tim hasselbeck they were both terriable QB like really why do they employ these bum’s Really on the whole NFL espn has steve young, Mike Ditka And cris Carter that know what it takes to be great. Dilfer doesn’t know if smith will be great how can someone that wasn’t great know what it takes to be great why dont they have montana, Marino, Aikeman, Jerry Rice why do they have bum’s like hasselbeck, Dilfer & Keyshawn those guys do not know what it takes to be great Mark Schlearth I am ok with to Plain and simple niner fan’s until I hear Steve Young or one of the aboved mention Troy will not be good I am not listening so go Lick A 50 cent hooker Dilfer.
cppeter
Spags calls the plays on 3rd down. We are using a 3rd string qb, I’m sure we go over scripted plays the most and not as many reps on Johnsons changed plays. Bruce Lee said he’d rather fight a man that practiced 10000 kicks once than one that practiced 1 kick 10000 times. As the offense gets reps well get better on all 3 downs.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
by rlott#42 on Nov 16, 2010 5:19 PM PST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
And mostly for quoting Bruce Lee
But being right also helped
thats how I get my post green I need to quote Bruce Lee
Do they have to make sense or can they just have to be quotes.
Kellen Moore is awesome
I'm not going to analyze too much
I agree with Tre and just say it’s more or less Murphy’s Law that caused the 3rd down conversion issues. I’m not condoning that we’re still in the bottom 6 or 7 in 3rd down conversions, but our average per week is actually 34.4% and only 3 games were less than 31%. So I’d be willing to call last Sunday an infrequent occurrence. I’d be more concerned about penalties and bad clock management. The cool thing about it is, we had all three things go horrendously bad and we still found a way to win. A pretty clear indication that we now have someone in there that knows how to keep things together and make plays when necessary!
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by Mangoman on Nov 16, 2010 5:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I don't have aproblem with what Dilfer said , it's pretty much true ...
… his best play’s were outside the pocket , not sayin he can’t improve . but some of those sack’s were when he was in the pocket and with this O line , you best get rid of it …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
I thought the best play was to Crabtree............From the pocket!!
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
True , great play .. You know Rlott , i used to really enjoy your comment's , but as of late you seem a bit off any reason , just asking ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Frustration has become a detachment from reality. A new pretty face in a mini skirt is what it is, what's on the inside could be a rose, or a tird....
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Exactly what I meant!!
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Irratating
Im tired of all you crybaby niner fans Troy will be just fine he’s only gonna get better, and right now all i care about is wins thats wat were getting with Troy the third down conversions will get better, it seems to me thats all most of you want to do is find something to complain about or talk bad about weather were winning or losing im happy as hell were getting these wins in my eyes were only gonna get better every game so look on the positive side and realize Troy is only gonna get better as well as the rest of the team cause you can see there playing with heart and more confidence…So keep it going niners…..
i've got something to complain about
your punctuation!
all good though, your optimism is appreciated.
....,,,....!!!??'':
There’s the missing punctuation. I got your back 6M
by mcwagner on Nov 16, 2010 6:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
i love dogs
vick could barbeque a dog on camera and post it all over youtube and i’d still want him over troy at this point. have you see how much his passing has improved? he looks like the best leftie qb since steve young right now.
Alex Smith is garbage...
He looks better than Young now, HOWEVER, before we go nuts, His sample size is way to small....
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
you know what would be funny?.....and possible
if the eagles end up winning the nfc.
Alex Smith is garbage...
by redrum21225 on Nov 16, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
so very glad
That it’s not your decision. I don’t care how he plays. I don’t want that despicable excuse for a human being anywhere near the team.
by Andrew9erfan on Nov 17, 2010 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
Troy Smith was just awarded NFL MVP for 2010
pwnd!
Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
Nitwitter
Question:
if you score a touchdown on third down, statistically is that counted as a conversion? (since technically you don’t get a first down)
Obviously I feel like it should be but this is one of those things where I feel like they don’t count like that in Madden and so…real life…?
You can't use Madden as an example.
I know in ‘08, if you are in the red-zone, but get sacked out of the red-zone, that gets counted as a failed red-zone attempt. So lets say it was your first time in the red-zone. You get sacked back at the 22. You run to the 15. Then pass for a TD. You’re red-zone percentage will be 50%, 1 of 2. So don’t trust Madden on things like this.
I don't
but it made be curious enough to ask…
by foosball4949 on Nov 18, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Troy is the steal of the decade....!
You guys will see it soon.
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