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San Francisco 49ers vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: A Prospector's Guide

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The 49ers square off with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers this Sunday in yet another huge matchup. Matt Maiocco went so far as to say this might be another "GPS Game." The 49ers really could put together a better idea of where they are at this point in the season following the Bucs matchup. Of course the Bucs are a bit of an anomaly this season. They are 6-3 and tied for second in the NFC South all while sitting as one of four teams with a winning record but a negative point differential this season. They've scored 188 points while giving up 206 points and sit in a four-way tie for the two NFC wild card spots.

The 49ers actually sit with a better overall team efficiency at Football Outsiders than the Bucs (17th compared to 20th). In traditional defensive counting stats the Bucs are 22nd in total yards allowed per game, sitting 8th against the pass and 31st against the run. It comes across as a very random mix for a team that is in the thick of the playoff race. FO ranks them 19th against the pass and 32nd against the run. This would seem to line up perfectly for the 49ers offensive attack. As solid as Troy Smith has been at times during his first two starts, this is still an offense built on the legs of Frank Gore. Do the 49ers find themselves in a position for what might not be as big an upset as some folks might view it?

Once again I've attached a prediction poll. Head after the jump for random tidbits about this matchup.

Star-divide

The 49ers will face the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Candlestick Park in the 19th meeting between the two teams. San Francisco owns the overall series record of 15-3, including 11-1 at Candlestick Park. The last time the Buccaneers defeated the Niners at Candlestick Park was 10/26/1980, 24-23. San Francisco is only surrendering 12.9 points per game while facing the Bucs at home. The 49ers have posted a 62-28-2 record against the current NFC South Division when playing at Candlestick Park.

The Niners knocked off St. Louis last week in a come-from-behind 23-20 overtime victory. QB Troy Smith improved to 2-0 in red and gold as he threw for 356 yards and 1 TD, averaging 20.9 yards per completion, as the offense racked up 454 yards from scrimmage. Smith's 20.9 yards per completion is the third highest single-game average in 49ers history since 1990 (minimum of 5 completions). With 154 yards from scrimmage vs. St. Louis, RB Frank Gore is on pace to record 2,121 yards from scrimmage on the year.  Gore holds the franchise's single-season record with 2,180 yards from scrimmage, in 2006.

49ers-Rams Connections
Coaches
- 49ers offensive coordinator Mike Johnson and Buccaneers offensive line coach Pete Mangurian coached together while the two were with the Atlanta Falcons from 2002-03.

- Defensive coordinator Greg Manusky was a volunteer linebackers coach and special teams coach with Tampa Bay in 2000.

- 49ers running backs coach Tom Rathman coached with Buccaneers offensive coordinator Greg Olson while the two were with the Detroit Lions from 2004-05.

- 49ers special assistant to the head coach and secondary coach Johnnie Lynn was the secondary coach for Tampa Bay from 1994-95. 

- 49ers assistant offensive line coach Ray Brown coached with Buccaneers quarterbacks coach Alex Van Pelt while the two were with the Buffalo Bills from 2008-09.

- Buccaneers offensive coordinator Greg Olson was the 49ers quarterbacks coach during the 2001 season.

- Buccaneers wide receivers coach Eric Yarber held the same position with the 49ers from 2003-04. 

BUCCANEERS-NOR CAL CONNECTIONS: Buccaneers WR Sammie Stroughter is a native of Vallejo, CA ... Buccaneers QB Josh Johnson is a native of Oakland, CA ... Buccaneers FB/TE Erik Lorig played at Stanford University ... Buccaneers offensive line coach Pete Mangurian coached the offensive line at Stanford University from 1982-83 ... Buccaneers assistant special teams coach Byron Storer played at Cal from 2002-06. 

49ERS TAMPA BAY CONNECTIONS: 49ers G David Baas is a native of Sarasota, FL ... 49ers Public Relations Manager Mike Chasanoff held the same position with the Buccaneers in 2008. 

FORMER 49ERS: Buccaneers WR Micheal Spurlock played 4 games for the 49ers during the 2009 season.

EYE OF THE TIGER - 49ers DT Ricky Jean Francois and Buccaneers DT Al Woods both lined up along side each other while the two were teammates at LSU from 2006-08. 

"U" KNOW ME- 49ers RB Frank Gore and Buccaneers TE Kellen Winslow were teammates at the University of Miami from 2001-02. 

"SOONER" THAN LATER - 49ers S Reggie Smith and Buccaneers DT Gerald McCoy were teammates at the University of Oklahoma during the 2007 season. 

BEAVER BOYS - 49ers LB Keaton Kristick and Buccaneers WR Sammie Stroughter were teammates at Oregon State University from 2006-08. 

HOOK ‘EM HORNS - 49ers CB Tarell Brown, Buccaneers DE Tim Crowder and DT Roy Miller were all teammates at the University of Texas during the 2005 season. 

TROJAN TIES - 49ers S Taylor Mays, G Chilo Rachal and Buccaneers DE/DT Kyle Moore were all teammates at the USC from 2006-07. 

HELLO HOKIES - 49ers WR Josh Morgan and Buccaneers S Cody Grimm were teammates at Virginia Tech from 2003-05.

Series Highlights
Matchups: 19
Series Record: 49ers Lead Series 15-4
49ers Home Record vs. Buccaneers: 49ers lead series 11-1
First Meeting: 10/30/77, 49ers win, 20-10
Last Meeting: 12/23/07, 49ers win, 21-19
Current Streak: Won 2
Longest 49ers Win Streak: 9 (12/4/83-10/23/94)
Longest Buccaneers Win Streak: 2 (8/31/97-1/12/03)
Most 49ers Points: 45 (11/14/93), 45-21, at Tampa Bay
Most Buccaneers Points: 35 (11/21/04), 35-3, at Tampa Bay
49ers Shutouts: None
Buccaneers Shutouts
: None

TAMPA BAY 19 SAN FRANCISCO 21
At San Francisco, CA, December 23, 2007

QB Shaun Hill completed 3 TD passes to lead the San Francisco 49ers to a 21-19 victory over the NFC South Champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The Buccaneers fell to a 1-11 record all-time against the 49ers in San Francisco. After taking a 21-13 lead in the 4th quarter, Tampa Bay backup QB Luke McCown engineered an 8-play, 61-yard drive that culminated with a 24-yard TD pass to TE Jerramy Stevens to get within a two-point conversion of tying the game with 1:31 left to play. McCown attempted a pass in the back of the end zone on the two-point play, but WR Michael Clayton could not get two feet in bounds. The 49ers ran out the final 1:20 to seal their 2nd  consecutive win.

Rookie LB Patrick Willis helped the defense hold the Buccaneers 10th ranked rushing attack to just a 2.8-yard average with 20 total tackles, 2 sacks and a FF. After falling behind 6-0 in the 1st quarter, a 20-yard run by RB Frank Gore helped the 49ers get into Tampa Bay territory. Hill finished the 72-yard drive with a 21-yard TD pass to WR Darrell Jackson on the first play of the 2nd quarter to give the 49ers a 7-6 lead.

Tampa Bay capitalized on a fumble that was recovered at the San Francisco 36-yard line later in the 2nd quarter, setting up a 24-yd. TD pass from QB Jeff Garcia to Stevens for a 13-7 halftime lead. Both of the 49ers 2nd half TDs were set up by turnovers. Willis forced McCown to fumble on a 1-yard sack in the 3rd quarter, allowing S Mark Roman to recover for the 49ers at the Tampa Bay 14-yard line. On the second play of that series, Hill took a shot to the ribs and was forced to leave for a play. On his first play back, he fired a 5-yard TD pass to TE Vernon Davis to give San Francisco a 14-13 advantage.

CB Nate Clements intercepted a McCown pass early in the 4th quarter and had a career-long return of 62 yards to the Tampa Bay 18-yard line. On the 49ers first play from scrimmage, Hill completed a short pass in the right flat to Gore, who raced into the end zone for a 23-yard TD and a 21-13 lead. Gore finished the game with 89 yards on 21 carries to go over the 1,000-yard mark for the second consecutive season. Gore became just the 5th 49ers running back to ever have back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons.

2010 Statistics

49ERS (rank) BUCS (rank)
3-6 (t-3rd NFCW) Record 6-3 (t-2nd NFCS)
17.8 (t-30th) Points per game 20.9 (20th)
327.6 (23rd) Total Offense 327.9 (22nd)
98.6 (21st) Rushing Offense 112.9 (14th)
229.0 (16th) Passing Offense 215.0 (19th)
29:24 (20th) Possession Avg 30:28 (t-15th)
22.0 (18th) Points allowed/gm 22.9 (21st)
331.4 (16th) Total Defense 353.8 (22nd)
100.7 (10th) Rushing Defense 143.8 (31st)
230.8 (20th) Passing Defense 210.0 (8th)
20 (t-17th) Sacks 8 (32nd)
46.5 (5th) Punting Avg (Gross) 37.4 (32nd)
-4 (t-22nd) Turnover Differential +5 (t-8th)
Poll
Who will win on Sunday?
49ers
854 votes
Buccaneers
175 votes
Tie
34 votes

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I guess im first up if we win sunday you will alot of the so-called '' experts ''say

that our 3 game winning streak we yet to beat a real contender but if we look at our wins like the ‘’ BCS’’sysstem n look at the teams we beat n the teams they beat those were some solid wins lol.But in the NFL a win is a win and on any giving sunday anybody can be beat and a streak is a streak so all we can do is keep winning espicially at home.

by Jayubb415rebirth on Nov 17, 2010 8:18 AM PST reply actions  

I have the last TB game shortcut on the DVR at home

I’m going to check out their last game and see what kind of offense we’re dealing with. I can’t imagine they’re any better defensively than the Rams, and if everything stays constant, I don’t think we’re gonna have a problem getting the Tank rolling early.

If the Tank gets rolling, I expect to see a stacked box and explosive plays in the air to seal this thing.

The only question mark, at the end of the day, will be our D. Having the Tank take the Bucs apart will allow the Defense to rest, which is an area they need some help in as WonderBoy is lobbing crap downfield but not eating nearly as much clock as you’d like. I’m not terribly familiar with the Bucs offense, but if they rely on the running game to set up the pass, we have a better shot than if Josh Freeman just comes out slinging from the start.

Also, for “game film” purposes, does anybody have a good way of getting video off a DirecTV DVR for perfectly legal internet archival for me and all of you, my closest friends? I got Sunday Ticket this season, and it seems a waste to have all of the film available but very little of the actual football X’s and O’s analytical skills.

49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)

by LA49er on Nov 17, 2010 8:44 AM PST reply actions  

Bucs don't sack as much as the Rams but better secondary.

I’d rather Troy face a tough secondary than get 5 sacks again.

Run the table, Niners!

by Amigo on Nov 17, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

They have a better secondary, but teams are so successful with the run they don't pass much.

However, they do foce turnovers, ball security, posession wise is the key. After the catch and during the run, they are agressive at forcing fumbles.

2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 17, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Also

LaGarrette Blount gets to see how his power running game matches up against P-52. Sorry Blount, you’re no Steven Jackson.

Run the table, Niners!

by Amigo on Nov 17, 2010 8:48 AM PST reply actions  

Beat the Bucs!

We match up against them well, although Freeman has been throwing the ball well. If our secondary holds up and we can get some pass rush, we win. I’m not worried about Troy and Tank scoring points in this game.

The Seachickens play the Saints and the Rams play the Falcons. On Sunday evening we could be in second place and only one game out of first in our sorry ass division.

by madmatt on Nov 17, 2010 8:53 AM PST reply actions  

Just venting......

I can’t stand Mike SIngletary! I was glad when he was hired, loved him as a linebacker and I thought he’d be a great motivator. I didn’t anticipate his ignorance running this deep though. The dude puts this team in tough situations every single week and makes them work harder than they should for each win. For example, anyone notice how whenever the Niners take the lead, we go back into run up the gut mode? We can have a 3 or 7 point lead and Singletary wants to cruise. That’s why dating back to last year we either win or lose by 3, 7 points tops in most games. He never goes for the comfortable lead.

Then he constantly wastes timeouts on his headset issues, which I might add, he hasn’t learned to correct in over two years on the job! He’ll blow all three timeouts in the first quarter for those “issues”, yet he won’t use a timeout to stop the clock and allow the offense to try to get more points! Wtf is that? If you ask me, SIng’s the reason that game had to go to OT on Sunday. We had at least 2 timeouts left, maybe even all 3, towards the end of the 2nd quarter. The Rams had the ball and we stopped them on 2nd down. I want to say there was about 1:25 on the clock at that point, something like that. He should’ve called a timeout after 2nd down. He didn’t. On 3rd down they attempted a pass which was broken up by our D. Clock stops again. By this time though since he hadn’t stopped it on 2nd down the Rams had let the time wind down before their 3rd down play, which killed mabe 30 seconds. So once the Rams punted to us and the offense got back on the field, there was what, maybe 27 seconds left? He still could’ve tried a run up the gut, a bootleg or a screen. Anything to try to get us in field goal range to break the 10-10 tie. We were getting the ball back after the half, would be nice for the team to start a half with the lead at some point. However he had Troy Smith take a knee and let time expire and we took the timeout or however many we had left, into the locker room with us without using it.

Regarding the QBs. He annoints Alex as our QB before the season. Puts the “C” on his chest as if he’s ever been a captain. Good guy? Yes. Captain? Not at all. Anyway, he tells us Alex will win games and do great. Once the season starts and Alex does the opposite every week, except once, Sing would constantly praise him after losses. He’d say, “I think Alex played decent. He played pretty well”. I’m thinking WTF were you watching bruh? So then Troy plays great two weeks in a row, something Alex NEVER did in 6 years, and what does Sing have to say about Troy’s play? “He played ok. There are some things we have to correct, but I think he did ok”. Yet again, WTF Sing? Things need to be corrected with those glasses because your vision must be effed up!! He downplayed the significance of the QB position all season long when it was brought to his attention regarding Alex. Said Alex didn’t need to be the leader of the team or win the games, that we had 11 players on each side to win. Alex was not the most important player. Then once his job’s on the line he suddenly has an epiphany and says he needs a leader in the QB position! Man coach they’d been telling you that all year! He’s far too slow a learner. I want him gone after the season, please Jed!! We’re not going to be able to constantly win in spite of our head coach. My bad guys, had to get it off my chest. Can’t stand that dude!!

by sak9r on Nov 17, 2010 9:01 AM PST reply actions  

The blame

For the first six losses goes 50% defense, 30% Alex ,and 20% coach. Alex didnt do so well but i wouldnt put all of the blame on him like it was only on him to win games.

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by demise on Nov 17, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

alex gets more then that

or you give some to coach for starting alex?

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 17, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

30% Alex???

Alex caused most of our turnovers. I would give him 50%, coaching ( or lack thereof) 25%, and the D 25%

by LPG on Nov 17, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with about 30% for Alex

"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."

by Blank x2 on Nov 17, 2010 11:02 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

If Sing ran the ball or threw the ball and the team pulled a Cowboy you would have been calling for his head. The headset problem happens to every team and when Alex was under center it was fixed and now with Troy problems reoccurred because he is a new QB.

Did you expect Sing to throw Alex under the bus? A QB needs to be a leader on the team so he put the C on the QB chest Sing did everything in his power to put Alex in the perfect situation. We won under Troy Sing knows that he isn’t going to say that Troy is perfect because that is bad character. Troy said the same thing too that there were somethings that he had to work on and I’m not surprised this is his 2nd game as a starter.

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Nov 17, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

There will always be things you can work on to be better. And no I don’t want coach to throw Alex under the bus. However he’s done that to players before. Did it to Nate Davis. Did it to Michael Lewis. He always says if players aren’t playing to his standards he’ll call you out. I’d just like him to be consistent. I don’t think you should throw any of your players under the bus but if you did it to VD in front of the world as well as every other player who wasn’t playing up to par, treat Alex the same. Don’t give him the golden pass just because he’s a QB. As far as the team pulling a Cowboy, I didn’t say go deep! How about a run up the gut though? Any sort of conservative call would’ve been good. In fact before getting to that point if he’d called a timeoout then we never would’ve had to try a big play. Troy Smith could’ve run the 2 minute drill to get us into field goal range since there would’ve been at least a minute left. A QB does need to be a leader, but Alex Smith has been anything but that in 6 years. I agree with that notion, but you don’t just slap a “C” on a guys chest and make him an honorary leader because he’s the QB. Goes back to that consistency thing. People can’t trust you when you make a scrub a captain.

@Demise…..disagree about 50% going to the defense. I do agree that all of the losing can’t fall on Alex’s shoulders. However I think he’s a root cause of it as the team doesn’t believe in him. Sure they’ll SAY they do, but only because this organization is hell-bent on patting Alex’s hiney. I acknowledge they D is supposed to be our strength. However the offense was so horrendous in the first 6 weeks that we had to expect our D to be perfect. That’s just unfair. No unit in this league can play perfect football since opposing players get paid to make plays too. The offense didn’t hold up it’s end which made the D feel like they had to make big plays in order for us to win. So any mistakes the D made were magnified in that respect.

by sak9r on Nov 17, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Teams have principles except when it comes to the QB. You never throw a QB under the bus because they have to be a leader. If Sing called a timeout and the Rams made it on third down they would have gotten a free timeout and would have had the chance to score. A conservative call is pointless whats the point of running the ball up the gut. It can injure one of our players and still fumble the ball. A kneel down is the most conservative play call.

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Nov 17, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Then Sing needs to say what we all saw. “Troy Smith played good football. There were some things we need to correct, but overall I think he’s played good football.” That would’ve been warranted since he claims Alex played decent. Decent = Ok. Troy and Alex have not played equal. Guess that’s my biggest issue. I just don’t like Sing dude. We can debate all day long. I just lost the faith I had in him. I feel like every time we take the field, the coach on the other side has the advantage. No matter who we line up against. I just don’t think you can make someone a leader when they’re really not one. A QB SHOULD be the leader. Alex Smith just never showed leadership qualities. Like that pig with lipstick thing….you can put lipstick on a pig but………..

by sak9r on Nov 17, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Easy to say now

You saw Carr. And Troy was barely ready for a single quarter of high-level football in London, in week six- what makes you think he would have been ready week 3?

When criticizing the man for how things turned out, you might also want to consider how things might have been. If he pulls Alex and gives Carr that ball against the Eagles, we’re looking at some ugly Monday morning criticism of his “handling of the situation” and “going back on his commitment to Alex” and “not having Carr ready to play”.

If Troy comes out and falls flat on his face in London, we’re hearing chants of “Free Nate!” and again, questioning Singletary’s focus, intelligence, marital fidelity, whatever.

Continuing the imaginary scenario, if Nate comes out and one of the following occurs:
A) He gets hurt
B) He screws up bigtime
C) He lights up the field with great play

Singletary gets criticized for not playing him © and for playing him (A&B). What I’m saying is, the guy can’t win with some people, and I get the feeling that’s kinda how he likes it.

So say what you want about the dude, but his failure as a head coach, position coach, career coach, personal trainer, counselor, priest, father, mother, hand model, have all combined to get the “in disarray” 49ers 3 of the last 4 wins and hope in the season after a disappointing start. Realize that while Singletary has reached up to heaven and molested the very ghost of Bill Walsh, other teams actually have it worse, and it’s only getting better here.

49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)

by LA49er on Nov 17, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Sing was a pretty good position coach

Made the Ravens LB Corp and the 49ers LB corp

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Nov 17, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

No

Singletary has always been a failure at everything regarding football. He actually lost the promotion to Head Coach to someone else, but everyone was too afraid to correct him and he’s been coach ever since, the end.

Also, I’m being facetious and trying my very best to be one of those Sing Haters that are just so darn hip these days with their skinny jeans and ironic eyewear.

49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)

by LA49er on Nov 17, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I disagree

I think we’re winning in spite of Sing, not because of his moves. He had no choice but to bring in Troy. It’s not like he said, “Well Troy Smith gives us the best chance to win”. He only brought him in because Alex Smith got hurt and couldn’t stink up the field any longer, and David Carr looked worse than Alex. Had Anthony Davis never blown that block, Alex Smith would still be starting, and we’d still be losing. And Sing would still be downplaying the significance of the QB.

If Nate came in and got hurt then we’d likely have at least one more win before bringing in Troy. Thought we learned this lesson last year as to how each win counts. What with the last minute losses to the Vikes, the close losses to Indy, Tenn and Seattle. We missed the playoffs by one game! I agree that he can’t win with some people. No doubt he’ll ne criticized no matter what. I guess I just believe a HC in this league should be a thinker. Someone who plans strategy and does the little things to help his team. Never felt that with Sing.

As far as hope, meh. I do have hope that we can make the playoffs. A strong sense actually. However I have to temper that hope a little because they have to basically play perfect now. A word I’m not too comfortable with in pro sports. They can’t lose a game if they want to make the playoffs, definately can’t lose two. Even then we’ll need help.

by sak9r on Nov 17, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

The real problem here

Is that we never know enough to know if it’s Singletary or York or Raye or who-knows-who calling the shots and making the moves.

We don’t know what that person has to deal with, and we don’t know the “real story” behind things. Take, for example, the “HeadsetGate” incident with Raye and Johnson and Yahoo!.

We never would have known that it was Mr.Magoo Jimmy Raye bumbling his way through the playbook that was causing all the problems if it wasn’t for the “rat”. That whole fiasco would have just been another failure chalked up to Singletary’s lack of experience and basically being an all-around failure at life.

Even though we clearly know it’s not Singletary’s fault, I’d be surprised if it still didn’t factor in to the negative views some folks have of the Manchurian Coach.

49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)

by LA49er on Nov 17, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

What I find to be a very interesting fact going into this game

is that with all of the talk about how many mistakes the team has made and they continue to make mistakes no doubt about that but they have only had one turnover in the last 4 games and that was David Carr’s interception at the end of the Carolina game. To me that’s definitely a good sign. Now they have to work on the penalties and third down conversations. But hopefully that trend can continue against Tampa Bay. And hopefully we can create some turnovers on defense to help the offense have a shorter field

by Lok on Nov 17, 2010 9:08 AM PST reply actions  

Not as bad as true turnovers

But the penalties and lack of third down conversions may combine to be even worse than turnovers, since they more often than not directly lead to either less points (settling for a FG instead of a TD) or punting, in the case of penalties, that results in worse field position for our already inconsistent D.

I’d say each penalty that results in a net loss of 5 yards or more and every failure to convert 3rd down is some fraction of an actual turnover- maybe 1/10? That would result in about a -1 net turnover differential against the Rams, which gives us a tangible idea of how good we could be if we could cut down on both stats, even marginally.

49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)

by LA49er on Nov 17, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Make that

Every failure to convert a set of downs, because we converted at least one 4th down, which counts for something, and should be reflected when you’re looking at an especially ugly 0-11 3rd down conversion rate.

49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)

by LA49er on Nov 17, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Turnovers lead to less points. No ‘may’ involved.

'Careful Grasshopper ~ that's a god you're mauling.'

by riderless on Nov 17, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Well I completely agree with you...

The third conversation rate can be fixed, they just need to get themselves out of third and long and that also ties into the penalties. If they stop with the holding and false start calls then you’ll see in an increase in the third down coversations

by Lok on Nov 17, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

knock on wood please

turnovers hurt us in the first half.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 17, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Dont worry guys Jerome Bettis of SI.COM

Picked us to win the division. Its a lock we can rest easy now

by EcERyda69 on Nov 17, 2010 9:15 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

if hassleback gets injuried again, I would say it was almost a lock for us.

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 17, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Are both teams 3-6?

In the last table titled 2010 Statistics you have the Bucs with a 3-6 record. I believe that is transposed.

Why just be luckless or pedestrian when you can be both?

by Luckless Pedestrian on Nov 17, 2010 9:22 AM PST reply actions  

Yea you're right

pretty sure the Bucs are 6-3

by sak9r on Nov 17, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

corrected

Thanks for pointing that out. I typed this up last night after a few drinks. I’m surprised there aren’t more mistakes.

by David Fucillo on Nov 17, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Pretty good matchup

I don’t know if I would have said the same with AS at QB, but with TS in there, this is definitely a good matchup. We’re pretty similar in the sense that The Bucs have had almost as many close games as us (decided by less than 2 TD’s), but they’ve won more of them. They’re 5-1 in that category, we’re 3-4, 2-0 with TS starting, not surprisingly. Maybe it’s because we have a decent playmaker now? The Bucs do too in Freeman. This should be a pretty good game. Minimize TO’s (we’ve been doing that as of late), penalties (we should be able to improve on that if we take advantage of their weakness at run defense), work on managing the game clock and we should be alright. I can see the majority of the plays being run with Frank Gore being featured either directly or indirectly.

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by Mangoman on Nov 17, 2010 9:43 AM PST reply actions  

Stop the run, Win the Game

One of my better friends is a huge Bucs fan so I get to hear a lot about their woes. They have a hard time getting to the QB, but their secondary is decent (has to be). When they run the ball well everything else falls into place. Freeman can win games with his arm, but in their 3 losses their running game has been shutdown. The Niners handle big backs very well (Blount), but have their difficulties with pass catching backs (Willams). I expect to see them try to force the run early and often so they can come back to it in what should be a close game. I see P. Willis stuffing a Blount, legally. Should be a good game, but my biased money is on the NIners.

by DuckNeck Merton on Nov 17, 2010 9:55 AM PST reply actions  

buck buck buck bugaaaawk?

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by riderless on Nov 17, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

My buddy is a big time bucs fan

I got 100 and a jersey riding on this game. Hopefully when I called his team “frauds” will prove me right, if not I wont hear the end of this.

by EcERyda69 on Nov 17, 2010 10:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

This game will be very interesting.

Personally, i think we’re passed any “GPS” games, but if they win this game I might have to turn my GPS back on.

Bucs by 3. I anticipate penalties (and this time maybe a turnover or two) will cost the 49ers.

Troy Smith may be the ultimate X-factor for the 49ers, though. I sure hope he is, but I’m not putting that expectation on the guy.

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by Effage on Nov 17, 2010 9:59 AM PST reply actions  

I've more excited about this game than anyone since the season opener

I missed recording the Rams game, but going by Kevin Lynch’s film study. Mike Johnson appears to be expanding the play book much faster with Troy at the helm. With the Buc’s weak front 7, I expect to see some new plays with the 22 personnel grouping.Maybe some wildcat-like plays running Gore or Westbrook to the outside, like the Raiders are doing with McFadden.

Niners: 24-14

by Mood_Indigo on Nov 17, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd like to see

A few more pitches to the outside for the Tank, and maybe even a designed QB scramble for old time’s sake.

And I’d love to see more touches period for Westbrook, but I’d really like to see more of him in what he did best at Philly- the screen!

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by LA49er on Nov 17, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

For everyone saying Alex Smith wasn't to blame for the losses, that it was more the D

Watch the D step up in these final weeks and play better. Football is a dependant game. Each unit has no choice but to depend on the other units to do their parts. When one unit has no faith in the others, they play outside of the scheme and try to do too much to win the games. They no longer just play their gaps, or cover their man. They try to jump the routes in hopes of the big interception or storm through holes to make a big play. That’s when you get beat. I think that’s what happened with our D.

by sak9r on Nov 17, 2010 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

with you on this

i’ve always felt that all units play as one. when the offense was playing so poor, the defense was put in unmanagable positions. and while the defense has been atrocious in key stops (or lack thereof), they’re still a respectable squad.

if the season has taught us anything so far…we can’t just patch our secondary with late round picks and journeyman corners. Same with the pass rush…we need to take our OLB and DE situation serioiusly. LaBoy was a good pick, but he’s not an everydown guy- and we can’t afford to try and find a replacement for Manny- he’s just too good.

by t p on Nov 17, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I still saw the D give up a last-minute, game tying FG late in the 4th quarter.

And the Rams offense isn’t exactly dynamic either.

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by Hoopers Judge on Nov 17, 2010 3:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

TB's a pretty darned good team this year...

I’ve been impressed with their ability to find a way to win, even with lesser talent overall. I’m not worried about the Niners stopping the run (I’ve benched Blount on my fantasy teams this week…I suspect he may be in for a rough day). However, Mike WIlliams is the real deal, Kellen Winslow is still good, Benn, Spurlock, and Stroughter have all come through at times. Not to mention Cadillac’s ability in the screen passing game. And Freeman can get the ball to them. Our secondary will have to be on it’s game in order for us to win this one.

Either way, if the Niners can pull this one out, it would be a pretty big win, IMO, seeing as TB has actually been good this year. And it would be nice momentum heading into a divisional matchup with AZ the following weekend.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Nov 17, 2010 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

They were killed by

The Saints, a team that needed a fg to beat us in the last seconds. They barely lost the Hawks a team that we should of beat if not for Clements fumble. They got the Panthers number but both games was without Moore. It took a last second td to beat the Rams who was neating them pretty handedly.

The Bucs just havent been making mistakes like us which is why they have been abel to comeback and win in the 4th quarter.

If we play mistake free and with less penalties we should win this game easy

by EcERyda69 on Nov 17, 2010 12:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

D

I tend to not blame the coaches for everything bad that happens to our team. I’m not a Sing hater but I’m sure there are things he can work on. He needs to lay a fire under Manusky. The D needs to play more discipline and aggressive. Two games that in the end could end up hurting us is the ATL game (which I was at ) and the Carolina game. Nate needs to stop biting on double moves…that happened as early on as the first game of the season…and we know what happened in ATL. I’m not going to blame Sing for that…maybe more blame should be on Manusky…or maybe we should actually blame the players… Those who always blame the coach for the problems probably blame the government for their own issues. If you bought a house that you cannot afford, it’s your fault..stop blaming someone else…Go Niners..we will win Sunday.

by FrznCarboNiner on Nov 17, 2010 12:14 PM PST reply actions  

Harsh...

But true.

We need continuity in the coaching positions desperately. Sing has had one draft to start to form the team from the ground up into his vision of a championship squad.

Think about it- the guys Sing thought fit his vision of what the 49ers should be are:
- Davis and Iupati
- Taylor Mays
- Anthony Dixon
- Brian Westbrook
- David Carr and Troy Smith

He didn’t bring these players, but he’s thrown out big dollars to keep them:
- VD and Patrick Willis

Literally the rest of the team is a mishmash from the Nolan-McCloughan-Martz era.

Give the guy some time- he’s starting to win now, this season, and he’s laying the groundwork for lots of winning in the future. We’ve waited this long, and we’ve served our time in exile- why is everyone so anxious to blow it all up again and spend some more time in the wilderness to figure it out? I mean, do you really believe a Gruden or Holmgren or Harbaugh could get this team winning next year and Singletary couldn’t?

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by LA49er on Nov 17, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Safeties vs the Playfake, WILL DETERMINE OUR PERFORMANCE vs the Bucs Offense.

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by rlott#42 on Nov 17, 2010 12:18 PM PST reply actions  

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