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Troy Smith: A Look at the Labels and the Truth

Ever since Troy Smith took over the starting quarterback job for the 49ers he has received a lot of critique.  His style of play is so far from that of Alex Smith that it can be a blur to watch, causing Troy to be slapped with many labels and for many broad statements to be made.

"Troy Smith isn't a pocket passer, he's just a scrambler."

"He takes a lot of risks and just get's lucky most of the time."

These are some of the generalizations made regarding Troy, mostly by those not ready to fully jump on the bandwagon just yet.  I get not wanting to anoint the more vertically-challenged Smith as THE FUTURE just yet...but I also can't accept blanket statements about his play without having looked at the film.

Some of you may have read the piece I did after the Denver game, where I concluded that Troy actually played well (and detailed each play beyond what your eyes see live, in real-time).  Well I'm off to do the same with the St. Louis Rams game played on Sunday. 

In that game we saw Troy Smith making plays all over the place.  It was foreign, alien, like going to Ikea for the first time.  Understand that the 49ers had FOUR plays of over 30 yards, EIGHT plays over 20 yards, highlighted by a 65 yard play to Josh Morgan early in the first quarter. 

Then there were the 4th quarter heroics, plays of 36, 23, and 16 yards...including a 4th and 18 conversion that lead to the go-ahead TD pass.  I felt like I was in the Twilight Zone at times.

This type of energy and explosiveness from the offense, especially the plays where Troy seemed to make something out of nothing, might make it easy to just assume that he was slinging the ball all over the place into triple coverage, cheerleaders making TD grabs, carrying a Zamboni on his back.  But let's take a closer look at each passing play, after the jump.

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9:35 1Q - 1 RB, 2 TE's (12 personnel).  The 49ers had been noticing teams keying on Mike Iupati pulling and just running to the hole Big Mike ran through to find Gore there with the ball.  So they decided to line up in a run formation, pull Iupati as usual, but instead let Vernon Davis leak out.  Troy faked the hand off, rolled right and threw a perfect touch pass over one DB's head and in front of the other DB for a 32 yard gain.

8:09 1Q - Vernon Davis tried to pick up Chris Long, and Gore chipped James Laurinitis, but both came free and sacked Smith.  Troy was able to set his feet and might have been able to fire a pass but he was sacked right at 3 seconds.  Since it was max protect with a TE, FB and RB in protection...there weren't many options for Smith to throw.

7:27 1Q - 12 personnel again, this time the pocket collapsed, no lanes to step up into and caved in around him.  Troy tripped over Staley's foot, who had been pushed into the QB.  Troy fell and appeared to think he was down even though he was untouched.  College flashbacks??

4:49 1Q - 21 personnel, Norris in the game...trademark running formation.  Smith made the play fake, took his drop, bounced twice on the balls of his feet until Morgan beat the CB.  Troy let it go perfectly to Morgan for a 65 yard gain.

15:00 2Q - Swing pass Crabtree, who was in the slot.  Perfectly thrown but no one took on the LB, who made the tackle after a 9 yard gain.

14:17 2Q - 22 personnel, the "Big" package.  Play action, hops on his feet then fires to Walker for 12 yards.

12:15 2Q - 2nd and goal, Troy lofts a near perfect pass for Vernon Davis but Chris Long gets his hand up at the last second for a somewhat flukey deflection.  Troy could have possibly lead Davis a hair more and maybe it would have been a TD.

12:11 2Q - 3rd and goal, Smith reads blitz and hits VD on the short seam for an apparent TD, but they didn't get the play off in time.  Chalk this up to inexperience.  Alex was doing this (for whatever reason) a ton this year too.  Maybe the play didn't get in on time, who knows.

12:11 2Q - Fred Robbins jumped as Troy was releasing the ball and got the bat-down.  He was so close to the LOS that even if Smith was 6'6" it would have been batted down. He couldn't have rolled or slid out of the pocket to the left (where the pass was intended for Walker) but Staley had been pushed right to Troy's left, leaving him nowhere to go.

8:25 2Q - Dropped back and fired to Crabtree on the comeback route for 15 yard gain.

6:27 2Q - Troy held the ball this time.  There was no play fake, just a straight drop and a few bounces on the toes...sacked just over 3 seconds but should have felt the rush and fired a low-risk pass.

3:58 2Q - Play action rollout right. He had green grass in front of him if he wanted to run but he was watching the opposite side of the field for a receiver to get open.  He crept toward the LOS keeping his eyes down field and dropped it off to Vernon Davis for a 38 yard gain, which was half throw, half YAC.

2:00 2Q - Good protection but nobody open.  Drifted to his left and appeared as though he might take off but as the running lane closed he decided to throw it away.  Good decision.

14:36 3Q - As soon as he snapped it there were 3 defenders free-rushing in his face.  Hard to tell but seems like maybe it was a screen all along because Anthony Davis and Adam Snyder seemed to shift left and basically let the rushers on their side go.  Smith sidestepped the first rusher, rolled right and hit Delanie Walker for a 23 yards, mostly YAC.

14:09 3Q - Play fake, dropped, rolled right, had good protection and found Crabtree over the middle for 21 yards.

12:05 3Q - Tried to pull back the pass and it came out of his hand.  Should have been an incompletion but whatever.  Looked like he might have been able to regroup if he'd held onto it.

6:38 3Q - Free rusher off the right side.  Troy saw it and threw towards his hot, Josh Morgan in the vacated spot where the rusher came from (text book QB read).  Pass was batted after he let it go, basically a great play by the LB.

6:34 3Q - Run formation, play action, rolls right and chucks a deep one for Morgan that could have been completed but it was double coverage.  The thing is, Morgan had both DB's beat.  Takes a perfect pass to drop it in there and I'm sure Troy would like to have it back.  He overthrew it though, a good thing for double coverage.

6:27 3Q - Dropped straight back, two free rushers came at him as he tried to hit Ginn.  After further review Ginn was entangled with Jerome Murphy which really disrupted his route.  Troy expected Ginn to be coming back to the ball when he threw it but Ginn wasn't to his depth yet.  I don't know if Ginn should have beaten the press coverage or Troy should have realized Ginn had his route interrupted.

2:07 3Q - Bubble screen to Vernon Davis who goes for 5 yards but Josh Morgan holds on the perimeter. 

1:36 3Q - Straight drop, wants to throw but pulls it back and runs through a lane.  Just barely caught from behind by George Selvie or else he'd have gained another 5+ yards.

0:54 3Q - Straight drop, pressure arrived at 3 seconds and Smith unloaded a rope to Dominique Zeigler who was double covered and slipped as the ball arrived.  The ball was mostly out of bounds, a safe throw.

14:42 4Q - This was a really impressive play even though it was near the outside of Gore's reach.  Troy drops back, play fakes to both Norris and Gore, two free rushers come (Baas and A.Davis both watched their men go by them) and Troy slides right and fires to Gore in the flat at the last minute...just off Gore's left hand.  Good poise and patience though and was almost another big YAC play for Gore.  Bet they both want this one back.

11:47 4Q - Single back, play action, rolling right.  Waited until Chris Long was right on him then threw it down to Walker who was double covered but the safety was in trail position on a ball thrown to the sideline.  Walker made a great catch for 36 yard gain.

11:27 4Q - TE screen to Walker for 9 yards.

10:44 4Q - Straight drop, two edge rushers arrive right around 3 seconds as Troy realizes the middle is open and takes off for a first down run.

10:11 4Q - Brian Westbrook lines up wide left and get's a bubble screen. 

9:28 4Q - Shotgun, 3 WR, pressure comes up the middle and Troy rolls left.  Fires to Crabtree at the last minute right at the edge of the end zone.  Anthony Davis drug his man down with him 10 yards away from the play and it was called back.

9:21 4Q - Straight drop, waits for the pressure then gets out of the pocket and fires a shot to Josh Morgan.  Great play by Craig Dahl the safety to bat it away at the last minute.  Morgan was about 63 feet in the air and a slightly higher pass might have been caught.

9:14 4Q - A.Davis beat by Long on the play and forces Smith to step up and avoid the sack after Long had him in his grasp, no small feat.  This was one of his poor decision to throw this ball.  He got away from Long but then threw the ball while running into Iupati, into double coverage for VD.  He's fortunate it landed well short and a play on the ball couldn't be made.

7:48 4Q - Bubble screen to V.Davis for 4 yards.

7:09 4Q - Play action, rolling right, tucks and runs out of bounds for a yard.

6:34 4Q - Straight drop, quick throw to the outside to Crabtree on an obvious mis-communication.  Crabtree had broken the route and Smith threw it beyond him.

4:12 4Q - Quick drop, pressure comes immediately.  Smith slides to his right and hits Gore on a designed screen.  Gore had 3 OL's out in front and it was a great job of waiting for the play to develop before throwing it.  Gore went all YAC on everyone for 30 yards.

3:15 4Q - Michael Lewis sacks Smith on a free rush in an effort to prove he can still play football...OK, you can make basically uncontested sacks.  Congratulations.

2:37 4Q - Straight drop, pressure from the edge, Troy steps up and fires to Vernon Davis who leaps over two defenders to haul the ball in and maintains possession as he goes to the ground in the back of the end zone.  Holding on Staley called...Tim Ryan thought it might have been on Anthony Davis...I don't think either did anything that warranted the flag, really.  Davis had an arm bar but it's questionable whether or not he held him or was in front of him.  Play negated.

2:30 4Q - Straight drop, bounced, waited, coverage was way deep so he let Gore get out in the flat and hit him for 14 yards on 3rd and 32.

2:23 4Q - Gore told Smith in the huddle (I'm ad libbing here) "Hey, they are playin soft.  If I leak out I'm going to just keep running up to the cushion of coverage."  Well, it worked.  Morgan was open but only ran a 10 yard route when they needed 18 and the rest of the routes were covered.  Troy waited and hit Gore in stride within about a yard of the first down marker.  Gore picked up a few extra yards to convert the biggest play of the game on 4th down.

2:17 4Q - Run formation play action lots of time, bounces on his feet a few times then fires a laser to Crabtree in the only place he could catch it.  Crabtree made the NFL Network's best catch of the week for the TD.

11:11 OT - Straight drop, immediate pressure from both edges, Smith steps up and fires off his back foot to Delanie Walker who was cut off in his path to the ball by OJ Atogwe, who wasn't looking for the ball.  Walker might have gotten to that ball as it floated, and it's a tough call but probably the right one.

As you can see the theme was pressure on Smith.  When he had time and the play wasn't a designed rollout, he stayed in the pocket and was patient.  I counted 11 of his 17 completions coming from the pocket.  Only a few times was he TOO patient, resulting in a sack.  I actually think he doesn't leave the pocket ENOUGH at times.  He's always looking down the field to make a play.

The Delanie Walker PI call was on 3rd down, near mid-field, in overtime.  It was Troy's only option to avoid a sack and lose even more yards.  It was single coverage with a safety on a very athletic TE who has bailed Troy out in the past.  I can't blame him for throwing that ball.

The only really questionable play was the play 9:14 in the 4th Quarter.  Troy should have taken the sack on that play as he threw to the middle of field, deep, and into double coverage...while falling down.  The TD pass to Vernon that was called back due to holding was somewhat questionable too but Troy will let his guys make plays until they don't try to make them.  His teammates appreciate it and it's worked out thus far.  Sure there will be times where it might backfire but I think the kid did really well considering the circumstances.

Smith also had QB/WR mixups on a few plays which is to be expected for a guy who arrived here just a few months ago and leaped from third string to starter three weeks ago.  He threw a few balls away or where only his guy could get to it and also had an overthrow to Gore that was close.  All in all he threw accurate passes most of the day despite horrible protection and a limited knowledge of the playbook.

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Excellent breakdown, Tre.

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by James Brady on Nov 18, 2010 7:12 AM PST reply actions  

Seconded. Thanks Tre!

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by LA49er on Nov 18, 2010 7:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Thirded.

Thorough and really relevant for the upcoming game against the Bucs.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Fourthded?

Yeah good job man. I would like to point out that the Michael Lewis sack was given up by none other than Chilo Rachal who just whiffed completely making it seem that Lewis was unblocked. How a 300+ pound man can not even get in front of a 225 pound safety showing blitz right up the gut is beyond me.
People calling for Davis to get benched? NO. Rachal needs to get benched.

When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
When Troy Smith learns the offense!!!

by crumpedup15 on Nov 18, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly

Tim Ryan did a nice job circling Rachal and pointing out it was him just whiffing on lewis he should have pancaked his ass on that play…instead he does an “ole” move and gets in the way of gore cleaning it up

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by DreZ on Nov 18, 2010 11:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Analysis like this is really appreciated since I live out of area and only rarely get to see the games.

Side note: I’m hesitant to anoint Troy just yet, but it certainly seems like there is quite a few positives to his performance thus far. Its refreshing to be cautiously optimistic after the way this season started.

by lacrosse_cat on Nov 18, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I second this

Great job Tre

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on Nov 18, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

great read. thanks a bunch!

Can’t wait for the game sunday!(first time I’ve said that about a Niners game since week 1)

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by HAWKEYESBABY on Nov 18, 2010 7:41 AM PST reply actions  

C'MON MANNNN!!!

you gotta be excited about every 49ERS gameday!!!

i know i always am! losing record or otherwise you just gotta stay excited. =D

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by imjuliooo89 on Nov 18, 2010 8:02 AM PST up reply actions  

geeez your obvious love for the guy shows" very bias approach " like the kid " but has a long road a head of him" pass to walker was terrible and got bailed out by a weak PI call

by Gazooo on Nov 18, 2010 7:44 AM PST reply actions  

Pass to Walker was at least an avoidance of a sack at minimum, so it was not terrible. Holds onto the ball too long? That may be true, but how many of those big plays wouldn’t have happened if he didn’t do that? I think Troy realizes that he can’t get away with the missed 3rd down conversions. I mean this guy is still fighting for a job on this team. He knows he can be pulled the minute he starts faltering. If anything, credit Troy for producing the spark that has the team excited and making ridiculous fingertip catches.

Run the table, Niners!

by Amigo on Nov 18, 2010 7:57 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed--that was at least a throwaway (no possible 'grounding call)--and the DPI was justified

You can’t get on Smith for that throw, and the result of the play was practically an automatic win for the Niners.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

6 game winning streak would be a statement

And would make the atlanta and carolina games hurt that much more

by reedkrase on Nov 18, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

i'd be ecstatic if we won 1 more game than 2009

Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Is that even possible?

I guess, mathematically. But I think just about everything would have to break right.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Chargers won 9 or 10 straight last year

so, yeah, technically possible

Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

manusky and SD

he was familiar with breezy from his SD days…was he also there for any of the rivers era? he seemed to draw up a nice plan for NO, perhaps we can look forward to a nice effort @SD?

by t p on Nov 18, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

man I hope so

and also that they don’t know enough about his scheme to try and foil our defensive plans (since they still run a 3-4 unlike N.O. who runs a 4-3)

Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya we could be 10-6

we would have to win out tho

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Nov 18, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Left

TB
@Ari
@GB
Sea
@SD
@stl
ari

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by manraj7 on Nov 18, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Everything would have to break right . . .

except for one game. I could see us beating TB, GB and SD only to drop two division games. Not because that is mathematically likely, just because that seems to fit the season.

by reedkrase on Nov 18, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

if you've watched the game over again and can point out specifics to make your point I'm all ears

I get all kinds of people who say things, but have no specifics from the tape to back it up. The pass to Delanie on the PI was a desperate situation avoiding a sack in OT on 3rd down to single covered TE. QB’s throw to draw PI’s all the time, not sure if that was necessarily what Troy was doing but it was a low risk pass to not lose yards on a sack.

Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

weak PI call huh

well at the end of the replay on NFL Network the head of officiating came on to break down the call and said the official got it right…and spags was on the radio and even while he didnt like it didnt disagree with the call…

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by DreZ on Nov 19, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks Tre

And I feel that while fans and analysts are picking his TWO performances apart looking for his big weaknesses that Troy actually has a lot more to offer than what he’s shown the past two games. I can’t wait until he starts hooking up with Ginn.

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by Amigo on Nov 18, 2010 7:45 AM PST reply actions  

Michael Vick

had a “commanding” performance on Monday…

But Troy Smith threw for more yards. Don’t sleep on this guy!

He’s Mike Vick 2.0- all the great taste, none of the nasty animal cruelty or jail time!

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by LA49er on Nov 18, 2010 7:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Vick>Troy Smith

More like “none of the ridiculous speed, some of the accuracy…and, yes, none of the animal cruelty”.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

lol "Vick" and "accuracy" in the same sentence.

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by Viliphied on Nov 18, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Apparently you haven't watched Vick this season.

He’s been on the mark—highest accuracy numbers of his career this year.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Worked a lot on his accuracy...

in the exercise yard, avoiding the showers.

by AKinferno on Nov 18, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

troy vs vick

i feel like troy is going to develop into a new breed of mobile QB. he’s showing an affinity to create a pocket by moving quickly laterally and waiting for plays to develop.

vick is only starting to do this, but still likes to take off. i like that troy doesn’t put himself at any injury risk, and he’s really keeping everyone involved. seems like vick has just a couple of go-to guys and otherwise he’s like a second running back. he steals touches from lesean…eff that.

by t p on Nov 18, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Jail time

I think the time Vick spent in jail made him better. It humbled him and gave him the drive to prove himself. I don’t think Troy will ever be as good as Vick is now but I still expect him to get pretty close.

by Ikaros on Nov 18, 2010 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

i wouldnt go that far as to say

that Troy will never be as good as Vick.

Troy’s only been in for 3 years, if (and i hope to buddah he does) stay with us i see him improving more and more with each season

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by imjuliooo89 on Nov 18, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Did you see Vick play on Monday?

I know one should never deal in absolutions but Vick has become the most dangerous player in the NFL and I just can’t see Troy matching that.

by Ikaros on Nov 18, 2010 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

i did not actually

i was asleep during that time because i work from midnight to 8 am…

BUT

i did catch the highlights this whole week and just let me say that…OMFG he was AMAZING!!!!

but i just dont believe in saying a player will never be “BLANK” ya know? there are plenty of players that always prove something like that wrong. i just have a good feeling bout troy.

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by imjuliooo89 on Nov 18, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope Troy proves me wrong

and I hope he does while still wearing red and gold

by Ikaros on Nov 18, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

so

we agree =D

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by imjuliooo89 on Nov 18, 2010 8:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed, the 356 passing yards was a bit deceptive.

I’d like to see the final YAC total from the Niners’ receivers. It seemed to me that it was just crazy.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

LOTS of YAC

but he also hit guys with green grass in front. Not many missed tackles by STL on most of the plays except the Gore play.

Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

and all of the TD's called back

were passes thrown in the air to the end zone. Coulda been a lot more yards.

Imagine if there were even half the penalties...plot to keep score close?! ;-)
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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess that's true...

(see my point at the bottom re: elusiveness).

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

He has a working relationship with the WRs/TEs and Gore

the more they play together the better it will be.

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by Eastbayjim on Nov 18, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Noone would have expected that of Vick either

So to say, after one amazing game, he has set a new standard for QB play, is very short sighted. If he maintains it, and becomes the best QB ever, all that means for us is we need to work on our secondary.

Having said that, I think Troy is our QBOTF. And that is NOT hypocritical, because I say it knowing that right now Troy isn’t the best ever, but has great potential. I feel he has shown he is capable of greatness. Will it reach the QB performance we saw from Vick on Monday? Maybe not. But he has the skill, he is grounded, has a great attitude and most importantly, plays to our teams strengths (and counters some of it’s weaknesses). Will he ever be as good as Vick MAY be now? Who knows. Does it matter? If he makes our team better and can win us a Superbowl or 3, who cares if he is the GOAT?

by AKinferno on Nov 18, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

My comment

was based on Vick’s performance all season. I would not talk that way if Monday’s game was the only one that he played great in. I am not an any means calling him the best. I did say that he is the most dangerous and I truly believe that the way in which he is playing justifies that comment.

I also happen to be a big fan of Troy and want nothing more than to watch him succeed. I know full well he has a lot of potential but I also knew that about Alex. I’m just trying my best not to get overly optimistic. By no means is this meant demean Troy in any way. I’m just looking at it realistically

by Ikaros on Nov 18, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Also he is extra fresh since he hasn’t played in two years. That’s two less years of punishment on his body from playing in the NFL. His career is probably going to extend further than it would have before, at least by a season. I think the sky is the limit for Troy, he’s only played 4 NFL game, we just gotta wait and see.

by SanFranciscoKnights on Nov 18, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

You've gotta factor in the 'Skins too

I mean, Shaun Hill tore them up two years ago at the ’Stick (that was my annual game and it was a sweet, sweet moment indeed).

Put Troy against the same Defense on MNF, and I think you would have seen a similarly dominating performance. He’s only had the shackles off for one quarter against the Broncos (which he used to proceed to carve them a new one) and 4 quarters against a Steve Spagnuolo- coached defense, hardly anything to sneeze at.

Give him a crack at that Carolina game, and we’d have to start hunting Touchdowns due to overpopulation.

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by LA49er on Nov 18, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow, someone's been drinking the kool-aid

Look, I like Troy as much as the next guy, but Vick’s ridiculous speed makes a huge difference. Everybody gets antsy about just going after him: the threat of being made to look silly on a single play makes guys look silly on every play, if that makes sense. Sure the Haynesworth play was pathetic, but Carter and the rest of the team was at least trying somewhat on defense.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Of course they're trying

They’re just not very good!

Let’s wait and see on Vick too, considering he’s only played 4 games this entire season. A real GPS for Vick will be against the Giants, coming off a bye and with a legitimate pass rush.

If he makes it out alive, he still has a chance. If he comes out looking like he did against the Redskins, I’ll just refer to him as “The MVP” going forward.

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by LA49er on Nov 18, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Troy a lot

and I know that he has a high ceiling. I’m just trying to reign in my optimism and look at the situation realistically. Not many quarterbacks achieve their potential. Alex is a big example of that.

by Ikaros on Nov 18, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

But not many fit a team as well as Troy does ours

I had put together a pretty long summary of his strengths and how they fit our current team so well, in another thread, but basically, you can be optimistic about a guy without him being the GOAT. Maybe he is just good, but makes the players around him better. So if he never is as dangerous as the Monday night Vick, but he inspires our team to greatness, would you not want him on your team?

Some may think it is early to tell, but I think Troy’s leadership and skillset complement this team perfectly. I think he is our guy.

by AKinferno on Nov 18, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I definitely want him on the team

And I believe him to be our QBOTF. It seems to me that you may have misconstrued my comments. This may actually be my fault for not explaining my views properly.

by Ikaros on Nov 18, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea but i read a real sad story about troy up-bringing n problems with his mom(the same as me)

thats just as worse as jail n may leave a big scar on you if you let it (by the way troy n his mom is very close now just like me) so its not all roses for troy either.And im not saying you were i was just sharing a article i had read n some of my past 2.

by Jayubb415rebirth on Nov 18, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

My point was

Jail helped wake Vick up. Troy may have had many problems in his life but he grew up with them and learned at an early age how to deal with them. He has always been a respectable and humble man. Vick, on the other hand, may have needed that wake up call that prison provided in order to achieve his potential

by Ikaros on Nov 18, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

To society

I’m not saying he should be put back in jail, he has already paid for his crimes.

I still think he’s a pretty horrible human being, though, and I’d rather have Alex than Vick any day.

There are more important things in life than football, and there are more important things in football than winning.

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by LA49er on Nov 18, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Vick is a horrible person as well

but as a football player I would want him on my team.

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by manraj7 on Nov 18, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with everything there except Vick being a horrible human being

Not only did he serve his time, he changed his ways. He says he regrets what he did. But even if you don’t believe him, then go by his actions. He has been helping out the humane society, attending functions and talks, even became a spokesman against the very thing he was incarcerated for. Are you saying that if someone commits a crime, they can never redeem themselves?

Have you never told a lie, stolen, cheated, or talked about someone behind their back? If you did any of those things once (which everyone will agree are bad), should you be labeled a bad person forever. People change, perspective changes. I don’t know Vick’s life story, but I know he is trying to make up for his actions, not make excuses for them. That is something rare in today’s society.

by AKinferno on Nov 18, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

It's really tough to say what's genuine...

but the speech Vick gave after entering his guilty plea was pretty impressive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzytivQsPGI
No notes, no prepared statement, just him standing up and being accountable. It was just about the opposite of Ben Roethlisberger’s and Tiger Woods’ apologies.

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by grantmp on Nov 19, 2010 5:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess you're right

I still just can’t get over the fact that his crimes weren’t crimes borne out of passion, or necessity, or some intention to do something ultimately admirable.

They were crimes of boredom. Of entertainment. I can understand a young man selling drugs because he feels the pressure of caring for a household and having no better ideas for raising the money they need. I can understand the thief who is in a similar position and simply has needs he can’t fill without resorting to illegality.

Of course, there’s something to be said about the personality of someone who has such a low regard for society and the law that it doesn’t take much “necessity” for them to cross the line: some can’t feed their children for weeks before resorting to crime, some just can’t wait for payday to get those new jeans.

But Vick’s crimes weren’t about that at all. He had everything he could possibly want or need as starting QB for the Falcons, and he wanted something he knew to be illegal and he knew to be inhuman, but he did it anyway either because he is the weakest human being on the planet, or the most narcissistic.

Either are damning enough to qualify him as a pretty bad person, in my book. And while I believe he may have redeemed himself, and truly changed his ways, I wouldn’t let the man into my home. And I can’t bring myself to root for him simply because he doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt. It will take his entire career, and possibly life, to convince me he’s truly changed. The good part of it is, he doesn’t have any bearing on my life and I don’t have any on his, so I’m glad he’s getting a second chance. I just won’t have anything to do with it.

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by LA49er on Nov 19, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Anything good that happens in NFC west sports reporters/commentators ''' !#$! on''to be

frank, but whats funny they did the excact same thing to the NL-west until the Giants n Padres start balling ( Then my iants won it all Duh) so i could care less about these haters hating on troy!

by Jayubb415rebirth on Nov 18, 2010 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I saw much of the same

If he has this much command of the offense now, imagine him when he’s got an entire training camp and offseason behind him… Holy crap.

You think playing Delanie Walker on my fantasy team this week would be A) Prudent and/or B) Jinxing the team in anyway?

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by LA49er on Nov 18, 2010 7:46 AM PST reply actions  

I think we'll run all over TB

because they’ll see what we did in the passing game vs. STL. I think Troy will continue to spread it around so not sure who, if anyone, is a lock for fantasy purposes other than Gore and Troy himself.

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Thankfully, I have Frank Gore in Fantasy.

I got him with the 5th pick despite all the pundits having him ranked 4 and 5 spots later. He’s been the only guy keeping my team afloat.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it will be all uphill from here

As teams start planning against Troy’s arm, it will only make Gore more productive.

by AKinferno on Nov 18, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

the reason the Bucs have been good is that their secondary is pretty air-tight.

And their offense hasn’t had game-changing turnovers. I would trade our 2011 first-rounder to get Aqib Talib. But the Bucs would say “no way.”

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Loved the Break Downs

Thanks so much for this post, Fooch. You’re really good!

PS: I just love my new QBOTF!! He’s awesome. In my opinion, regardless of what happens in the Tampa game, we’ve finally got our “rookie QB” to build this team around, like Bradford and now Cody for the Sheep and the Browns.

I have three questions for you, Fooch:

1. Can we use the franchise tag on Troy next year if we must (putting the CBA aside for a moment). And how does that work? We would have to pay him top 5 QB money? Because that’s REALLY a lot to pay.

2. Would you try to sign him early, like ASAP? Or do you think we should take our time to make sure he’s “the one,” (which would also mean we’d need to pay him BIG bucks for luxury of gaining that surety). Which side of the debate do you fall into and why?

3. A lot of people mention that he stares down his receivers, like most rookies do. I saw that sometimes, but all QBs do it sometimes. I also saw him making 2nd and 3rd reads and also on some plays seemingly faking out the secondary with the angle of his body, shifting it to pass in a different direction at the last second, etc. What did you see on film as far as him “telegraphing the play” or not?

by Since79 on Nov 18, 2010 8:00 AM PST reply actions  

I know its hard to give kudos to Tre

But in this case we have to. Great work. Let’s see Dilfer talk about this

by mcwagner on Nov 18, 2010 8:18 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

jerk

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t call Dilfer a jerk, rather an ignorant commentator out of his element. If the “jerk” was pointed to me, you’re absolutely right

by mcwagner on Nov 18, 2010 9:22 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

latter

jerk

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

lol classic im sorry tre your my boy you know that ,but im just now reading ''since79''

lol its funny cuzz remember i told you nice read but i didn’t know it was you until i saw someone say good thread tre n i was like oh thats my boy 2.But if i was going to go through all that since79 did n not to look who wrote it lol is ass-a-9..lol still funny though.

by Jayubb415rebirth on Nov 18, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

tre what dilfer say or are you talking about what he said about troy n his pocket presence?

I try not to listen personally to what dilfer has to say about the 49ers 1st.He acts like his @ don’t stank.thats 1st.,2nd He acts like he never took a snap with the 49ers 3rd.Did i already say he acts like his ‘’ don’t stank lol. 4th.He puckers up like he’s having ‘’ Orgasms’‘when he talks about ’’peyton manning or drew brees ‘’just watch 5th n final one .He pubicly hasn’t ‘’’ kissed ray lewis ass’’for getting him that SB ring.

by Jayubb415rebirth on Nov 18, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

he said Troy Smith

“is not a very good drop back quarterback”

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

The problem with being a good rollout QB is that you are immediately labeled as a bad pocket passer. Alex Smith is fast with his legs, and is labeled as being pretty mobile. The truth is Alex is always running for his life and doesn’t know how to reset his feet to throw on the move. One thing I’ve always liked about Jay Cutler is his ability to be able to move left or right, get his feet reset to get the pass off as tightly as possible.

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by Amigo on Nov 18, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

resetting the feet.

This takes more agility than it does speed. I’ve said before and I’ll say it here: Alex doesn’t lack speed, but he does lack that kind of agility.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Great point

I’ve had a hard time wrapping my brain about Alex’s shortcomings, since he has everything he needs on paper to be a great NFL QB. The lack of agility is a great point.

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by LA49er on Nov 18, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

even Cosmo Kramer could muster up some wins though

by mcwagner on Nov 18, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Tre did an excellent job

Please give credit where credit is due.

Troy Smith does not deserve franchise tag money. That is absurd. Just give Troy the money we set aside for Alex Smith.

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by Pham49 on Nov 18, 2010 8:59 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Alex Smith's money

The change jar and an old bologna sandwich. He took a paycut after we gave him gobs of money from his rookie deal. We need to pay Troy like a quarterback that needs a string of success for a payday, rather than assume he will earn it

by mcwagner on Nov 18, 2010 9:28 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

re: "staring down receivers"

this is a greater transgression with short passes than long ones, typically. If you know you’re throwing to a 1-on-1 covered receiver (i.e. no safety help), you can wait on a read until he’s open and let fly because the CB will be watching his man.
Heck, even Manning will stare down his receiver simply out of confidence that the move by his WR will shake the defender regardless.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

this

he’s waiting for the guy to come open. When that didn’t happen he seemed to be able to come off the guy and find another fairly quickly. We’ll see how that progresses.

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

no CBA, no franshise tag

the CBA likely wont be done by FA period either, so sign your guys now if you really want them.

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice read tre didn't know you wrote it until somebody else said it but still good read,

and on that note troy has always had good accuracy even going back to ohio st.(i didn’t watch him in highschool) i know i have alot of family in ohio who are big buckeye fans.I know some times it does look like he chucks it up n double coverage cuzz he does lol.

by Jayubb415rebirth on Nov 18, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Troy would have less than 6 years experience

so technically he could be a RFA, right guys?

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

That's one way of staying under the radar...

the other way? Being 3-6!

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

sorry-reply fail!

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

or rather—I was replying to your signature (somehow I read that as part of your post).

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd sign him after another good game or two

especially if he helps himself in the sacks department by avoiding them and getting rid of the ball from the pocket more often.

I’d give him a 2-3 year extension, splash some cash on the signing bonus (necessary with 30% rule anyways) and give him incentives to earn more. If he proves worthy after another year or two, pony up and give him a big deal.

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

THANKS TRE!!!!

great read and breakdown.

IF!..If, Singletary gets put on the cutting board this off-season and given the performance that OC Mike Johnson has done so far, do you think that Johnson might get considered for the HC job or do you think that (more likely) we’ll pick up a HC from college or one that has already played in the pros?

im just curious.

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by imjuliooo89 on Nov 18, 2010 8:06 AM PST reply actions  

correction!

not one that has already played, i meant to say one that HAS ALREADY COACHED IN THE PROs. caught myself too late haha

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by imjuliooo89 on Nov 18, 2010 8:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Johnson...not sure if he can handle everything it takes to be a HC

plus I like him as the OC so I’d want him there. You’re also likely not going to bring in a bright young guy at OC who’s going to want to work for the guy who was a QB’s coach less than a year ago…unless he’s MJ’s friend, then again is MJ qualified to pick a staff?

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Yea ya probably right

i was just curious to see what ya’ll think. I personally like where he’s taken the team so far this year after comming in 3 games in and slowly, but surely, turning the offense around.

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by imjuliooo89 on Nov 18, 2010 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

This...

Mike Johnson is bright and young, but he needs some serious seasoning. I think I’d rather retain Singletary as HC than promote Mike Johnson.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

worst case: Make Singletary a figurehead

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

which is debatable that he's not already

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Did we sign a kicker yet ...!!

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by Edggy on Nov 18, 2010 8:09 AM PST reply actions  

Yep

Shane Andrus, 1 year deal. We brought him in at the end of last season, too.

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by LA49er on Nov 18, 2010 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh kewl , think'n we might just need a kicker this weekend ...!!

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by Edggy on Nov 18, 2010 8:19 AM PST up reply actions  

i dont think so, BUT

i hope we sign a YOUNG kicker that can be our Kicker for a looooooong time! lol

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by imjuliooo89 on Nov 18, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not ready to part with robokicker (Nedney).

There’s nothing like the warm, comforting leg of a reliable kicker.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 8:15 AM PST up reply actions  

oh i agree completely!

but he’s a bit on the old side and he has been great for us, but if (for some crazy reason) decide to roll with 2 kickers next year then nedney could possibly teach him[/her (you never know hah)] up and get him ready for when ol’ mr reliable is ready to retire

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by imjuliooo89 on Nov 18, 2010 8:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Dont worry

We cam always get a Titan kicker later

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Yep

We got
http://www.youtube.com/user/BradyFan83#p/u/8/MGOB6rid5VI
next up
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by tanos135 on Nov 18, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Please

dont ever post those videos again, they make no sense in this post.

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by demise on Nov 18, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry

But yeah these made sense. I for one think they are funny and can bring some comedy to the gloom and doom types. As for the post you’re right no it doesn’t fit but I don’t see you complaining to edggy for asking about a kicker up there.

This was an off thread about kickers and when Mcwagner mentioned getting another Titan kicker… well come on 2+2

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by tanos135 on Nov 19, 2010 3:40 AM PST up reply actions  

So if Troy Smith loses on Sunday , do you go back to Alex Smith?

I wouldn’t personally , i think Troy Smith is a upgrade from Alex Smith and it’s time for a change.

by clrncbll on Nov 18, 2010 8:19 AM PST reply actions  

At this point, Troy will have to get injured...

or play terribly to get benched. The one thing I worry about is that the big gaps that Troy Smith exploited won’t be there when the Niners play a team with superior speed in the secondary—which the Rams clearly lack.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

he'll just use the screens and the underneath routes

plus you can game plan for those types of guys. Set them up deep, an overthrow to show you mean business, then start running curls and bubbles, only to throw a double move in when they’re biting. The WR’s working with coaching staff IN THE GAME to tell them what they’re seeing the coverage tendencies to be is crucial. Just like Gore telling Troy he’d run deeper in the flat on the 4th down play because they were cushioning him so much.

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

plus if they want to respect the deep ball

we gash them with Gore

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, that's what I don't understand...

the Niners got very little out of Gore, they got relatively little over the top, but a ton in the middle. The more I think about that, the less I understand it.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

he only had low 20's in carries

and TOP was way in STL’s favor too

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

TOP

is one of my least favorite stats. It’s not very indicative of who’s doing better in the game.

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by Viliphied on Nov 18, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

That's not what Sing thinks

If your TOP gets too low, your defense is on the field too long to be effective.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Its true if your offense isn't on the field the defense is

and the defense gets tired a lot faster than the offense.

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by manraj7 on Nov 18, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

it limited the run game is also my point

no lead to grind with

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

i say NO!!!

troy smith has been great for the team and offense as a whole! we shouldn’t ruin the mojo thats going around for our team

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by imjuliooo89 on Nov 18, 2010 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

At least Carr is the #3.

The further he is away from taking over, the better I feel. Man, why didn’t we keep Huard or Hill around?

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by Amigo on Nov 18, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

letting Hill go is looking pretty bad right now

except we wouldn’t have likely ended up with Troy, or he wouldn’t have played by now

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

i would much rather have Carr

GONE i dont want him on this team, just like i have been saying since we signed him. Hes a nothing in the NFL. Id rather have a super vet as 3rd string.

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by imjuliooo89 on Nov 18, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't

he’s got more poise and presence in the pocket than Alex and escapability while keeping his eyes down field. He’s got to catch up in the playbook/chemistry department but he’s got a better foundation than Alex, to me.

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Troy says he knows 99.9% of the playbook

But chemistry, I will take that. But I think it’s more timing than chemistry at this point. The offense is mancrushing on Troy.

by AKinferno on Nov 18, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

huge man crush

you guys know how much I mancrush on Kellen Moore they have that with Troy Smith

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by manraj7 on Nov 18, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

glad someone else caught that

i read or saw a video of troy saying that too

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by DreZ on Nov 19, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

"I counted 11 of his 17 completions coming from the pocket"

This is an interesting thing to watch. I also had the impression that Smith threw a lot on sprints, roll-outs, and bootlegs, but when I go through your breakdown and recall the game, I think you’re right. What will be interesting to track (going forward) is the number of his incompletions vs. completions that come from from inside the pocket. It seemed to me that there were a number of times when Smith couldn’t find a throwing lane or where he had to put some loft on the ball to get it to his receiver — which sometimes resulted in a bat-down or a tipped pass.

I think the reason why I felt like he was outta the pocket for many of his passes was that the longer plays (whether via YAC or not) happened when he was outside the pocket.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 8:19 AM PST reply actions  

Yep

he’ll use those. It’s great…they design rollouts and sprints but he can also break the pocket when he needs to and that’s fine. Allows him to see more of the field and gives more time. The OL’s have more pressure to block without holding is the only caveat of extending the play.

I think he needs to take off more on “and short” plays when he has green grass after rolling out.

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

re: taking off

because it pulls LB’s/coverage up leaving intermediate stuff open

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

The holding call on the play where Davis had the "arm bar" (your words)

was just ridiculous. There was no way Long was getting to the QB, and it negated a TD. This is a situation where the officials are basically keying on a guy who’s struggling, and going ‘by the letter’. The very next series, a Rams’ OL had an “arm bar” on Justin Smith, and nothing was called — same situation, except that Smith actually could’ve gotten to Bradford.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

such a judgement call

if you’re body is in front of the defenders (based on a plane running from side to side) it’s not really a hold…as soon as your arm extends back at an obtuse angle from your chest, it’s a hold. Staley was holding on the play above in question but he was inside the framework, which is supposed to be legal.

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I hated the officiating for that last game. Even Rams ended up with 12 penalties by the time the game was over anyways. LaBoy’s roughing the passer penalty was complete BS. It seems like even the lightest head contact on the QB will draw a big time penalty.

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by Amigo on Nov 18, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm tired of the roughing calls

they’ re targeting us for some reason. It’s bull. Incidental contact or a hand that faintly lands on a QB’s helmet? C’mon.

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

They did let one go at the end of the game.

Sucks when the rules are so fine-grained that the whim of a ref can turn the tide in the game, but that’s how it is.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

you hear Troy's comments?

he said they need to let up on the roughing calls too…he’s a football player, not a skirt

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Troy reminds me so much of Singletary, it's scary.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Sing was a great football player

So I don’t mind

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by manraj7 on Nov 18, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

This is one of the very few areas I think we've gotta put on Sing

At this point, he’s got a reputation and you know there’s not a single official who is looking forward to reffing a 49er game.

I’m also surprised there’s not more focus on Referees in the NFL. We talk about professionalism from the players and coaches, but you can’t tell me those phantom holding calls against Staley and Davis to bring back TDs would have been called against St Louis, or even 1 out of 100 other times it happens.

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by LA49er on Nov 18, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Correct, sir.

Dressing a ref down doesn’t get you in their good graces.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Ed's crew loves to throw the flag

People forget to mention that the Rams had 12 penalties as well.

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by manraj7 on Nov 18, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Hoch loves to show them guns, don't he.

Heck, I’d do the same…if I had ’em!

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember

at least two instances of hands to Bradford’s head that were NOT called, presumably because the refs didn’t see it.

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by zenbitz on Nov 18, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe they should reduce the penalty for that call

If they are going to be calling it so much more frequently, maybe it shouldn’t effect the game as much.

by AKinferno on Nov 18, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

F'ING HOLDING! HOW DOES IT WORK

(after my first ever internet warning on any site ever since 1995. Wait. No. I got another one this year on a mailing list. Must be getting cranky in my old age!)

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by zenbitz on Nov 18, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

If your "internet warning"

was a pop up, don’t click on it.

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by LA49er on Nov 18, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Been nice to have signed Suh as our kicker , and maybe play a little Defense too ...!!

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by Edggy on Nov 18, 2010 8:24 AM PST reply actions  

How did the "lid" stay on the Rams' defense this game?

Another strange thing was that despite the fact that the Niners were getting big chunk plays, most of it was from YAC. Really the pass over the middle to Crabtree and the 60-yarder to Morgan (and the ridiculous TD catch by Davis that was called back at the end of the game) were the only plays where the top was lifted off the defense. But despite this, the running game didn’t really get opened up—that is, the safeties didn’t stay back such that Frank Gore had running lanes for the 5-10 yard gains that were his trademark back in his 1700-yard season. Was this a usage thing—Gore didn’t get enough carries? Except for his 3 runs in overtime, he was sitting at about 60 yards rushing through 4 quarters.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 8:27 AM PST reply actions  

Troy didn't throw a lot of deep balls, really

you’re right in that most of it was YAC except the called back TD’s but even those weren’t throws beyond coverage. That kept the lid on. There was a throw he missed to Morgan (see pbp above) where Morgan had beaten double coverage by a step but Troy just overthrew him. If he had completed that one the Rams might have backed off even more. No matter, the intermediate was wide open. They were rushing 5+ at times and playing very deep.

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess that goes some of the way in explaining this strange sandwich phenomenon

That missed throw to Morgan had me really excited…until I saw it hit the ground. Morgan has an awesome vertical leap, but not the greatest body control for picking up those long throws in traffic.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

the near TD?

yeah, if it was higher it would have been money cause Morgan was WAY WAY WAY over the top of Dahl.

The deep ball where Morgan beat double coverage was on the right sideline…6:34 3Q

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

the 6:34 play was the one I was thinking of.

It almost looked like Morgan was coming out of a cut at that point and couldn’t get himself into a position to catch the ball.

Jerry Rice would’ve caught that ball.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

probably wasn't expecting it

we know “you know who” wouldn’t have thrown that ball

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure Alex wouldn't have thrown it...

Heck, it was the 1 read that was there on the play. And if we know anything about Alex Smith, it’s that he knows how to obey a game plan.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

it was covered though

and Alex usually doesn’t like throwing to covered receivers

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

yes, but Smith is known to throw the ball downfield

if he’s confident that he can throw it either to his receiver or out of bounds.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

What probably happens if Alex is in at QB at that moment?

He probably doesn’t overthrow him, but throws it juuuuust out of bounds so that neither Morgan nor the DBs can haul it in.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

exactly

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Troy Smith's elusiveness=YAC yards! (also Troy>Alex in this department)

A couple of months ago, I wrote the following in criticism of Alex Smith:

I know that [Roethlisberger] is a bonehead, and the special case of special cases, but watching Roethlisberger take hits, stand tall, keep his eyes downfield and then zip it in there is impressive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lto9O19RLpM
I can’t remember the last time when [Alex] Smith did anything but roll out and hit the yard marker for a throwaway and loss of down.

One of the criticisms of Troy Smith is that he holds onto the ball too long—which drives his completion percentage down. But it also drives his yards per completion and receivers’ YAC totals up because the defense has to cover for longer, which opens up gaps in the defense, especially when the Niners have sent Morgan or Crabtree or Davis deep. The fact that Smith also puts the ball in places where guys can catch the ball, turn, and run with it makes these ‘long sack count’ plays that much more dangerous.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 8:45 AM PST reply actions  

this

he allows the defense to come right up on him before releasing the ball a lot of the times. Sometimes the route doesn’t end up open by this time and he takes the sack.

One thing I did notice is that he seemed to know the pressure was there even on sacks. There were no “OH SNAP!” moments where he was hit from behind without even seeing it. Part of the reason he wasn’t sacked hard, just pulled down.

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

"no 'OH SNAP' moments"

That, to me, is the biggest difference between Alex and Troy. Alex feels the rush and thinks “I gotta get outta here!” Smith feels the rush and thinks, “ok, I’ve got 0.7 seconds to throw this ball, but if I slide to my right, a void will develop, and my guy will slide into it, I’ll throw it and we’ll get a 15 yard gain.”

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

STORY OF THE RAMS GAME

was simply that the play action worked. The Rams clogged the box and made Smith pass… which typically works against the other Smith. So it was a combination of misdirection play calling by Johnson, Troy making some passes, and Rams defense unable to stop the run and pass simultanously.

Note that in 3rd and Long situations where a pass was mandated, the 49ers were terrible (except that weird 3rd and 30/4th and 18) and the 2 PIs. (I think they were both on 3rd down, maybe only 1).

This isn’t really bad news for the future though – although certainly more tape on the Niners will help our opponents. If they DON’T jam the box, then Gore will get some running room – so Troy’s numbers will likely get worse, but the offense should be about the same (depending on strengths of opponents defense, etc.).

I am worried about more injuries to the OL however… and the defense is not playing as well as it did last year.

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by zenbitz on Nov 18, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

if not for all the penalties...

i think we rack up at least 500+ yards of total offense against St. Louis, despite the terrible o-line protection. Troy, I think, is a much better QB than Alex…just my two cents

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your two cents

are worth a dollar

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Troy Smith alone could've had...

400 yards and 4 TDs if not for the holding and delay of game penalties that took those TDs away.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he could have also had 40 yards rushing

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

penalties and yards

I’d actually argue he’d probably finish with fewer yards if he’d gotten some of those earlier TDs. The team would have moved more towards a ball control offense with a bigger lead. Not to say that I don’t get your point about the numbers he put up in spite of so many penalties.

by David Fucillo on Nov 18, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

ah, the game-theoretic character of everyday life

Such a buzz-kill, Fooch!

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

you know it...

But like I said, he at least would have had more TD passes on the day with some penalties called back.

by David Fucillo on Nov 18, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Rain and Troy Smith fumbles

I’m worried about this week.

I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
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by goatfather on Nov 18, 2010 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

Does he have small hands?

My buddy and I were wondering about the fumbles.

by Bigmouth on Nov 18, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

but you never know

I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
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by goatfather on Nov 19, 2010 8:34 AM PST up reply actions  

How Gore got so many YAC on the play at 4:12 in the 4th Quarter

Gore picked up 30 yards on the screen. How? Yes, but also because he’s a beast that breaks tackles left and right. But also because of this:

What you notice is that Gore is catching the ball in the background of the picture, with two blockers hanging out with him. But in the foreground, you see OJ Otogwe and Ron Bartell hanging out with Michael Crabtree, who is “looking back for the ball” and raising his hands for the reception. In other words, by running out his route, and faking as though he’s going to make the catch of a deep ball, Crabtree draws two defenders to himself and clears out a huge void in the middle of the field—which Gore runs into for huge yardage. Great stuff by Crabs!

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

plays hard and every play

who said he was a diva?

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 18, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice!

Crabs is developing under the radar this season. Next season, he’ll be awesome. Statistically, third season is the breakout season for receivers, right?

by Mood_Indigo on Nov 18, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Good catch...

…Crabs has really stepped up this season to do the little things, too.

by Bigmouth on Nov 18, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

This was the first thing I saw when they showed the downfield angle.

This is why football can really be a true team game—if everybody is playing smart, and playing for their teammates. If you can say one thing positive about Singletary, it’s that the team still believes in itself, and that there hasn’t been infighting despite the struggles.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

what you see there too

I should have made more mention of this in the piece itself…there were a lot of free rushers to the QB on the YAC plays…mostly because they were designed that way. They flowed one way, let rushers from from the backside then dropped screens and leak passes in the void. Johnson called a heck of a game, so forward-thinking for the O that it probably contributed to the penalties…we know they haven’t practiced this new stuff much, especially under Raye.

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

he did this quite a bit against the Broncos too.

Really, really effective. Not exactly screens all the time, but short passes with screen principles incorporated into the play.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

yep

I remember that, which is why I gave the OL such high marks for that game too. The only pressure was really designed

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

spags was on sirius yesterday

and he really gave MJ credit for the gameplan. The 9ers showed all the “action” of there fav. plays and the rams kept biting hard. There were a lot of times where Iupati would pull and the rams D would key on it and just go whereever Iupati was pulling and the play would go the complete opposite direction

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by DreZ on Nov 19, 2010 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Frank looked like Marshall Faulk that game. If you guys have ever gone to an open practice with the 49ers, Frank is even tough for our own 1st team D to stop.

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by Amigo on Nov 18, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Another awesome analysis, Tre!

Really undercuts comments by guys like Dilfer that Troy’s not a very good pocket passer.

by Bigmouth on Nov 18, 2010 9:58 AM PST reply actions  

Excellent analysis by Tre

What would be even more interesting is to create histograms of the passes (along with completion #s) into categories such as “pocket”, “drop back”, “roll-out”,“scramble”, etc. on a cumulative basis as the season progresses. Where’s Florida Danny?

by Mood_Indigo on Nov 18, 2010 10:40 AM PST reply actions  

I miss Florida Danny too.

I haven’t had my mind mashed into mush by statistics for at least three weeks.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Could we make "Have You Seen This"

Posters for Florida Danny, maybe post them on the Bucs and Dolphins’ SB Nation blogs?

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by LA49er on Nov 18, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Excellent read, just like the last post.

However, IMO the 65 yard completion to Morgan was underthrown. If it was a perfect throw, it would have been a TD. Great throw nonetheless, but not perfect.
Troy looks very promising idd. I am particularly impressed with his poise in the pocket. He is a better pocket passer than many give him credit for. Tre, grades on his arm strength, quick release, poise, general throwing mechanics?

by TeeKay89 on Nov 18, 2010 10:51 AM PST reply actions  

the Safety was coming over top

if he had lead him there’s a good chance the pass was broken up

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

i was wrong

the safety was in trail. this was the same play they tried to go “back to the well” again later but it was overthrown.

Still don’t think it prevented the TD as much as Morgan couldn’t quite outrun the safety…but I guess if he lead him perfect he might have

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

arm strength is really, really good

he threw frozen ropes on so many passes when he had to get it out. Poise is good, he stands in there until the last minute when necessary. Didn’t pay close attention to release and mechanics but it looked compact enough and quick enough to me. Might have to go back and look at that.

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

the one thing I noticed about his mechanics (particularly his release)

is that when he takes his left hand off the ball, it’s a cue for the defensive linemen to go up for the bat-down. With him being a shorter QB to begin with, that’s a bit of a danger. It’s not that his release is long—it’s just that he gives a bit of a more noticeable cue.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

unless it's a pump fake

in which case the lineman just got played

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by Amigo on Nov 18, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

the vernon davis pass was the perfectly placed pass

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

That early play action pass? Or the one he threw out of the end zone when Davis was blocking?

He had better chemistry with Davis than I thought. Loved the pass out of the end zone—total playground play—Davis saw a void, realized that Smith still had the ball and took off.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah davis had stayed in to block on the play..

he saw troy get flushed he took off his man went “oh snap there he goes” and troy dropped a dime to him in stride. When the play breaks down troy smith plays football its just crazy

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by DreZ on Nov 19, 2010 12:25 AM PST up reply actions  

mechanics

just watched some more…he holds the ball a little low…below his shoulder slightly. He drops it to about his belly button when he “winds up” so that’s a little low. His release is pretty quick though, not the fastest but it works.


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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

he's gotten some good coaching in the pros

his release in college was a little slower. seems like it’s been cleaned up a bit in the years since.

by t p on Nov 18, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

He looks too upright.

They just did a thing on how Michael Vick has improved his footwork, mechanics, and release. It seems as though Smith has room to improve in those areas.

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by Drew Kerr on Nov 18, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

his ball placement is my concern in these

he holds it low and loops it a bit, meaning his delivery is a bit long…but it could be worse…at least it’s better than Tebow’s

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

throw to morgan was on the money it did hit him in stride

the safety just got enough of him to bring him down

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by DreZ on Nov 19, 2010 12:23 AM PST up reply actions  

1Q to morgan

safety help was late… glad to see troy pick on the ‘non OJ’ half of the field.

by t p on Nov 18, 2010 11:43 AM PST reply actions  

2Q to Vernon

LOS was the SF 6…i don’t see any reason he should have planted his feet in the endzone.

i like how he really sold the cross field look, and made a quick read and release to the opposite field.

by t p on Nov 18, 2010 11:46 AM PST reply actions  

3Q incomplete to Morgan

he seems to place a lot of passes in relation to the defending players. he showed that right away with the 2 sideline tosses to crabtree. the ball went away from the defenders and to where only crabtree would catch it.

i think this is why he rarely throws INTs

by t p on Nov 18, 2010 11:53 AM PST reply actions  

early 3rd to delanie

if you let 3 guys rush at once, they’ll trip over themselves

it’s like having an extra lineman!

by t p on Nov 18, 2010 11:59 AM PST reply actions  

looked designed though, didn't it?

OL’s all shifted left and pretty much let the rushers come. Troy did a nice job avoiding the first rusher then dropping to DW

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Great breakdown

Thanks for the underlying moral. Big plays are exactly the way to go with this team. Said it before that this team doesn’t have the precision to sustain long TD drives. Something is just bound to go wrong: penalties, rookies, routes, progression, timing, friggin headset etc…this team doesn’t carry the precision, the WCO of the SB Niner teams. That’s why it makes sense to use the team’s athleticism (the inconsistent talent) to garner big scoring plays. This team might be able to do something once, but just don’t ask them to do it time-over with proficiency. Can’t ask Crabs to be Rice, VD to be Brent Jones, and Troy to be Steve Young. The current group of Niners garner a higher risk/reward when trying to go big, than be methodical. There’s nothing more frustrating than watching a dink and dunk offense that eventually shoots itself in the foot (hmm…where have we seen that?). Being calm/methodical is less beneficial than having a more chaotic style of play for these Niners. IMO, let’s score early and often. In fact, plan on scoring on every play (not every drive). Then, maybe the defense can gamble a bit instead of bending, and if they get burned just put our big play offense back out on the field;-)

by 4956_V on Nov 18, 2010 1:34 PM PST reply actions  

a little New Oreleans-esque?

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

New Orleans-esque? Hardly.

If anything, NO resembles the 49ers WCO of old: quick drops, quick throws to the outside, with a little run sprinkled in for good measure.

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by grantmp on Nov 18, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

OK that makes more sense.

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by grantmp on Nov 19, 2010 5:33 AM PST up reply actions  

The Rams ran exactly that kind of offense against us. They ended up not being able to get the big play they needed in OT.

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by Amigo on Nov 18, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm nervous about Sunday.

Troy Smith is our future

Trade Danny Granger

by return2greatness on Nov 18, 2010 2:35 PM PST reply actions  

Why?

It couldn’t get any worse than it has been this year. We won a few games recently. Until the Niners ARE the favorites in the west, I’m not going to label them as such.

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by Drew Kerr on Nov 18, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I am excited

I think Troy’s numbers will be down, but Gore’s will be up.

by AKinferno on Nov 18, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting comment by MJ in his presser today

As reported by Barrows in his blog:
“Johnson was asked about Mike Singletary’s comment from early in the week that the coaching staff still has to “weed out” some of Troy Smith’s bad habits. I thought what Johnson said immediately after he was asked what exactly must be weeded out was interesting.
“The one thing I want to do is encourage his daring,” he said. “I want to encourage the stuff he has inside and allow that to come out without stifling it.”

Seems like he’s not toeing Sing’s company line here. Thoughts?

by Mood_Indigo on Nov 18, 2010 5:08 PM PST reply actions  

comments

I don’t think it’s all that big a deal. Bad habits can cover holding onto the ball too long, holding the ball down to low, that sort of thing. Certainly could include some of his “daring” but I don’t think this is necessarily not toeing the company line.

by David Fucillo on Nov 18, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks a lot

Can’t explain how great this post is especially cause I haven’t seen a live game in 6 years. I Study and work in a remote remote asian village. Finally able to get mobile internet, so i can catch youtube highlights in 3gp format. (it’s so sad i read all of the gamethread comments after the game just to get the mood of the game) I’m limited to following games on espn’ gamecast so this breakdown is much appreciated, and very well done i might add. Its great though seeing the confidence troy while he bounces all over and around the pocket.

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If you can find time during game time

google p2p4 (sorry if this is illegal) but it has games on the web

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by manraj7 on Nov 18, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

glad to help

there are a ton of youtube clips of the game…if you’re able to view youtube vids on your phone go here:
http://www.youtube.com/my_subscriptions?pi=0&ps=100&sf=added&sa=0&dm=2&s=-tlkPkb0Vx6b3394F_0pf3X_mwdY8eRzqH9WyM46wog&as=1

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

otherwise there are ways to convert youtube vids to 3gp

if you want to see some highlights I may be able to get you some stuff

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by Tre9er on Nov 18, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure

I think mike supports troy’s theory to allow your playmakers to make plays. Remenicent but Not as blatant as cunningham in moss’s rookie year?

by benvaughn80 on Nov 18, 2010 5:37 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Thanks again

But i’ve found this great site that makes youtube videos available as 3gp.

by benvaughn80 on Nov 18, 2010 8:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

great job tre

i watched the game back 3 times now…its so much better when you know the ending lol. But Troy had a damn good game, besides the numbers troys vibe on the sideline and the “They can’t hold us” relationships hes developing with the skill playes is just great.

Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......We all know PATRICK WILLIS is our future!
May 12 2010 comment of the day award winner on the nuggets!

by DreZ on Nov 19, 2010 12:34 AM PST reply actions  

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