Mike Singletary Approval Rating: International Roller-coaster edition
We're back for another week of the Mike Singletary Approval Rating following the 49ers 24-16 victory over the Denver Broncos at Wembley Stadium in London. The 49ers have improved to 2-6 and the roller coaster that is 2010 is climbing back up. The team has a bye this week and then settle in for a now tough divisional matchup with the St. Louis Rams.
Generally in those polls, when the 49ers get a victory, Mike Singletary gets a bump in the ratings. And yet, there remain a lot of question marks about how the team is operating even when they manage to get a win. Some of that can be traced to some of the assistant coaches, but naturally when the buck stops with the head coach, blame will often fall on him.
Although I've got this poll up asking for a rating, I'm curious about something else. Although we haven't polled it, I'd imagine a sizable chunk of this site would prefer a new coach in 2011. Some want Singletary gone now while others would be fine waiting until the offseason. What I'm curious about is what it would take, in your opinion, to keep Mike Singletary around beyond the 2010 season. As I look at what's gone down, I honestly don't know if I want him back with the 49ers in 2011.
Of course, the fact that I'm even on the fence in any way shows how little patience we have as fans. You can see a microcosm of that in how quickly people turn on Mike Johnson mid-game when the offense struggles. He's shown improvements in the play selection, but in an era where most people feel a need for instant gratification, we want more, more, more.
Would the 49ers have to rally for a playoff spot? A playoff spot and a win? If the team finished 9-7 but didn't make the playoffs, would such a 1-game improvement in record be enough?
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7 (Lucky)
It was my best weekend ever! All my favorite sport teams won!
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congrats to the World Series Champions SF Giants!
>< just win the d**n game or else! Or else what? Exactly!
by chriscream on Nov 2, 2010 7:31 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
4 - up from 3 last week
for going with Troy Smith and taking the reins off (albeit late) when it counted.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
5
He took a chance on troy smith and it worked.
by EcERyda69 on Nov 2, 2010 7:59 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
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Good call with Smith, terrible call with Dixon on 3 straight runs up the middle to try to close game…ugh…
more specifically
terrible call running up the gut when our line doesn’t open holes well
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
I actually think the record is NOT Sing's fault.
He has not been the one out on the field throwing INT’s and fumbling the ball and muffing punts and getting stripped while running back a game ending pick. The Niners should have won against Saints, Falcons, and Eagles if not for some horrendous turnovers. Everyone’s opinion would be much different if our record was 5-3. I don’t count the Carolina game as a game we should have won because David Carr was in a QB and you can’t win with that guy.
That being said, I don’t think Sing is a very good teaching Head Coach. He is a great motivator no doubt and I love what he was doing as linebackers coach. But as a head coach he hasn’t done much to improve the technique of the players. They are still doing the same things they did last year on defense and they are not really showing signs of improvement. I think we should keep Sing as an assistant on defense and get a new Head Coach. Of course that will never happen because that has never happened before. Too bad the Yorks promoted him so quickly without looking for a more appropriate HC. I think we are losing a good position coach. I know Willis has benefited from Sing being there.
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
I agree with you
Sing is very fresh to head coaching and he needs an abundance of help so he can pump up his team and be concentrated on the players while others gameplan. He needs a GM that could stand up to him. Coordinators that can help the players and assistants that can organize. We kindof threw Sing to the wolves and he’s still standing.
by mcwagner on Nov 2, 2010 8:55 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I grow tired of this.
If you do not think the record is Sings fault, then you can’t give him credit for the wins either, and I don’t see how you can give credit to any coach around the league one way or another.
You’re simplifying far too much of what the head coach does, which is strange coming from fans of a team that had probably the most influential head-coach in the modern NFL. They suffer from top to bottom all year based on his lacking in existing coaching expertise and his inability to add anything new to the pot. Just seems as if most of the fans do not care about this until they actually lose, or see the team repeatedly doing things that fail, never out-scheme another team, never surprise the other team in any way, never abuse the other team in anyway.
When they win, it’s hanging on by the skin of their teeth against inferior opponents. It’s just not a good long-term view with him as head coach, no matter how you sugar coat it.
by whistlingmountain on Nov 2, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Well if that's the case we ahven't had a good coach since Walsh.
The overall record definitely isn’t his fault. Read my sig and it should enlighten you.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
The 49ers haven't had a good head coach since Walsh
Thank you for agreeing with me.
And thank you for over-simplifying what the head coach does just like the original poster. You cite a mental error that was the difference between winning by 1 and losing by 2, not understanding that this is concern for pennies when the team has pounds of issues.
by whistlingmountain on Nov 2, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I said if that is the case. meaning read all of what I am typing and taking it for whatit is.
The team has pounds of issues within the roster. so while you are bashing the coach, we dono’t have Cowboy talent, let alone any other playoff team in the conference. We are not as talented as people thought.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Hey I've been saying they aren't as talented as people think for years
That doesn’t change the fact that they STILL produce at an embarrassingly poor level. It’s not just player talent, it’s coaching, it’s game planning, it’s everything. I think their coaching talent is much worse than their player talent, and the front-office talent is basically non-existent.
I just don’t understand the people who defend Singletary and bash Alex Smith. They’re both poor at their jobs. How can you like one and hate the other?
by whistlingmountain on Nov 2, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
do you have any idea what you are talking about?
George Seifert was 114–62 in the regular season and 10–5 in the postseason. he won two super bowls. Steve Mariucci went 60–43 and took 9ers to the playoffs 4 times.
the 49ers issues are team wide. when they aren’t turning the ball over 4 times a game they are committing 11 penalties. the play sloppy, stupid football, because they have a sloppy, stupid coach.
Sieffert had a Walsh built team, hust like martz had a team built by Vermeil.
Martz fell on his face a lot quicker but Siefert failed without Walsh’s players. let me take over a team that was set up to be good for 10 years and you would call me a good coach.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
this is a discussion about sing not siefert
so in your universe mike singletary a guy with a 15-18 record and not a single playoff birth is a good coach, yet george siefert a guy who won two superbowls is not…
okay, i rest my case…
in terms of your coaching ability, for every great coach, from vince lombardi to chuck knoll to whoever you name, every great coach has been followed by another coach. who among the followers won 2 superbowls as well?
anyway, this isn’t about siefert, its about singletary, and you made the comment that if winning is how we grade coaches (and i don’t know how else to grade them), then we haven’t had a good coach since walsh. we’ve had two winning coaches since walsh, your argument was completely off base. then the yorks took over, and yes they haven’t hired a good coach since.
I said the 49ers have not had a good coach since Walsh, WTF part of that indicates I think Sing is a good coach?
Siefert followed the best HC of all time, so maybe that is why he got two SB’s. Walsh left after a SB, so technically Siefert is like Barry S that succeeded Johnson in Dallas. his coaching stint in Carolina showed he was not a good HC.
I said the record isn’t his fault, and in my opinion it isn’t. I said good coach since Walsh, not a winning coach. Our last winning Coach was Siefert and he was only a winner because he took over a jaugernaut of a franchise. From totp to bottom that depth chart was set to win multiple SB’s. mariucci has a winning record, but he was soft and could never push the team over the hump, although I do say he is a better coach than Siefert, he had to deal with Salary cap hell and still managed to make the playoffs.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Seifert was a good defensive coordinator
And a mediocre head coach. Did you see him in Carolina, where he proved without a doubt that he was not a good head coach?
Nearly anyone can keep a plane in the air when it’s already flying and the sky is calm.
Mariucci was average at best, the team was super talented and consistently under-achieved. How did he fare with Detroit?
Since Walsh they’ve had a mediocre head coach, an average head coach, a terrible head coach, terrible head coach, terrible head coach. To me, that is zero good head coaches.
A good coach gets more out of the team than the sum of its parts.
by whistlingmountain on Nov 3, 2010 5:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I give Seifert an incomplete in Carolina
He spent all his top picks on defensive linemen who finally matured the season after he was fired.
"Coach, it came down like a hail marry"
'94 was not keeping the plane in the air
that was 5 years after the last Superbowl.
Mariucci had a good record with the Niners, consistently making the playoffs, and his record with Detroit was the best record that franchise has had since basically Barry Sanders.
do you have any idea what you are talking about?
George Seifert was 114–62 in the regular season and 10–5 in the postseason. he won two super bowls. Steve Mariucci went 60–43 and took 9ers to the playoffs 4 times.
the 49ers issues are team wide. when they aren’t turning the ball over 4 times a game they are committing 11 penalties. the play sloppy, stupid football, because they have a sloppy, stupid coach.
Post Sieferts numbers with the anthers when he didn't have Walsh's team nor his Qb's. Child Please.
Sieffert had a Walsh built team, hust like martz had a team built by Vermeil. Martz fell on his face a lot quicker but Siefert failed without Walsh’s players. let me take over a team that was set up to be good for 10 years and you would call me a good coach.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
i don't see a gm job in your future...
so in your universe mike singletary a guy with a 15-18 record and not a single playoff birth is a good coach, yet george siefert a guy who won two superbowls is not…
okay, i rest my case…
i wouldn’t want you hiring coaches for my team…
I don't see a GM job in your future either, because I am not worried about your future.
Point to where I said Sing was a good coach? I do believe that with a decent QB this team would be above .500.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
You took my point the wrong way
I’m not saying I think Sing is the future of this organization or that he can build a dynasty. All I’m saying is that the NIners 2-6 record isn’t because he didn’t have the team ready to play. It is because the team made mistakes when they shouldn’t have. That’s all.
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
Either he is responsible for their failures AND successes
Or he is not responsible for either. That’s what was I saying to the general point of view that “it’s not his fault” I’m sure the people saying so would be very quick to give him the credit if they were 6-2.
If you don’t think he’s responsible for 2-6, then you couldn’t say he’s responsible if they were 6-2.
by whistlingmountain on Nov 2, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
He was responsible for the loss versus KC, and that is the only loss that goes on the HC this season in myopinion.
falcons and Saints fall on the DC and Players. Panthers too, the DB’s blew that game for real. Eagles loss was on Smith. Each game aside from the KC game, were given away by player whiffs.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
kind of contradicting yourself...
you say he had the team “ready to play” then say they lose because “the team made mistakes when they shouldn’t have.” can’t have it both ways. he either had the team ready to play or he didn’t.
there is a lot more to coaching then giving firey speeches.
For Singletary to stay
He would need an amazing playoff run. With a team others felt was loaded with talent, a team that needs fan interest to build a stadium, and a playoff drought of nearly a decade, ownership would not have the patience. I see fans who want winning seasons ASAP, but many more who are fine with waiting out a rebuilding season to see some growth.
I want Sing to stay based on it takes three years to see if his roster has matured enough to fit his vision. But this is business. If you play slow grind out football with conservative D you need to win games to keep interest. I expect an offensive guru to come in 2011 that will have 28-40 point games with defense going aggressive to at least get fantasy interest, more fan interest for a pretty stadium
by mcwagner on Nov 2, 2010 8:49 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Rebuilding
I agree with the part about it taking 3 years to see if a coaches roster is doing what it’s supposed to. But like you said, this is a business of instant gratification and some people don’t have the patience to wait it out (Yorks) and see just what Singletary can do.
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
8, and a request
When a player misses his assignment, is that Coach? When a player jumps before the snap, is that Coach? The tipped pass? The missed block?
Correct me if I am wrong, but a Head Coach is responsible for the following:
1. Establishing lines of communication between the coaches, coordinators and players
2. Establishing the values, vision, goals and overall direction of the team as a whole and communicating that to each member of the team
3. Game management from the sidelines, including time management, gameday personnel decisions, interaction with the officials
While X and O’s involvement is very common, I don’t see it as a requirement and certainly not necessary to a winning team, though it can make it easier (of course, assuming the HC is any good at the X and O’s, which certainly isn’t always the case).
To me, this is par for the course- he is a first time Head Coach, and he has kept the team from falling apart in the face of an 0-5 record. You get the sense that while a lot of us have given up on the team, he hasn’t, and neither have his players.
The question, to me, isn’t what he needs to do to be back next season, but just how badly he needs to do to be canned. We need continuity more than anything else, and I truly believe we have a shot at a BW style dynasty if we can just deal with the growing pains for a season or two, remember that The Great One himself started off with a 2-14 season.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Grammar is stupid
and so am I. Sorry for the crackhead grammar.
Also, I believe Singletary is doing well in all three of the above-mentioned functions of a Head Coach, with the most obvious need for improvement in communicating the overall vision to each of the coaches clearly enough for them to perform it, and the game day management.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
the argument to your initial question goes as follows:
if players make repeated mistakes, they are not disciplined to NOT make them. If they are not disciplined, it has not been drilled into them over and over the proper technique. Their bodies and minds are not trained, conditioned, to respond appropriately in the situations where they are making mistakes.
It appears they need to do more position drills and be more strict about technique. Make them do it over again, make them run, stop the play when bad technique happens. It has to be something the players realize they better not do that and so they keep doing it right and eventually it’s like a habit.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
in short, I don't know that Sing runs the best training camp
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
he's not the only one
Technique is dead. Name one team that wraps their arms around the ball carrier consistently. I see so many whiffed and bounced of tackles where the defender only leads with the shoulder or head for a knockout hit instead of just taking the guy down
by mcwagner on Nov 2, 2010 9:14 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
ravens
great tackling team
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
And that is based on two hall of fame players on the defense. I still see too many problems with them and they have the best tackling team next to Pittsburgh except for Harrison who could be a legend if he had better technique
by mcwagner on Nov 2, 2010 9:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s a great point.
Again though, is the knock on him as a technique coach, or as the manager not hiring the correct coaches, or communicating the need for improvement in that area?
Either way, obviously, we know he’s not where he needs to be as a coach. If he can’t drill the techniques into his players, then I absolutely want him gone. If he’s having a hard time finding the right coaches to carry out the game plan, that’s an area he could improve in as a rookie Head Coach.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
The 49ers are one of the most penalized teams in the League right now..
A few of those penalties are stupid ones like PF, too many or less men on the field, illegal man down field, illegal procedure, etc.
I don’t know how many times I have to repeat this, but a Head Coaches job is to win games period. Ted Robinson was filling in on KNBR back during Nolan’s last days basically arguing and making the same excuses fans are doing with Singletary in this thread. Robinson’s bottom line was that, guess what? A Head Coaches job is to win games.
I graded Singletary a 2. He started Troy Smith because Alex Smith was injured, and Carr was a mistake to sign in the first place. From what the announcers were saying about the QB situation sounded like Singletary throwing A. Smith under the bus. Nolanesque.
The 49ers 2 wins came against bad teams, and they played poorly throughout most of those 2 games. This win doesn’t erase the loss against CAR. This is a poorly coached team, and the only fans who think they aren’t are 49er fans who must have forgotten what good head coaching was. Because it’s been a long time since the 49ers had good coaching.
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Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
A lot of the PF calls are bogus calls and can't be laid at teh foot of the HC. False starts happen with young OL on the road, it just happens.
those are majority of the penalties.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
PF calls...
that cost you yards is on the HC.
Discipline. Learn it.
The 2010 SF 49ers: It's FAIL, done better
Official Sponsor of Steve Young for Vice President of the 49ers in 2011
Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
PF calls that are bogus, are just that, Bogus. Discipline even when the call is bogus, wow, lay off the garage.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Just because you call them bogus..
doesn’t make it so.
The 2010 SF 49ers: It's FAIL, done better
Official Sponsor of Steve Young for Vice President of the 49ers in 2011
Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
It does to me they were obviously outside the parameters of the rule.
THAT makes them bogus.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Like say..
running up to a player and taking a shot at him after the whistle has blown? You call that bogus? Do you live in OAK?
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Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
I think he means the two roughing calls Sunday
both were total BS, I’ve watched them a dozen times now
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
But that was last Sunday..
before that, they still were one of the most, if not the most penalized team in the League. The PF I mentioned was stupid, and I forgot which player got called for it. It almost seemed as if he came from the sideline to take a shot, and Singletary was yelling at somebody during that time that wasn’t said player.
A while back, I wrote a FP post about “Singletary Football”. IIRC, I wrote about mental toughness, discipline, and execution. Singletary himself is falling short of that.
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Official Sponsor of Steve Young for Vice President of the 49ers in 2011
Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
yep
as I said earlier today, I don’t think Singletary runs a good camp…these things should have been drilled into guys’ heads by now
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
What makes you thnk they aren't drilling these things in their heads?
Sometimes you just have ignorant players, and that player, Mr Goldson, is a poor football player, physically and mentally.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
well I don't disagree with Goldson
but when it’s spanning a few players…you wonder
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
It wasn't a few players, it was Goldson, the other PF calls were bogus.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
i meant other penalties
we have a lot of penalties, false starts, ST’s penalties…
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
negative nancy
sheesh it seems like all your comments on here are aimed at tearing the Niners a new one. I know they deserve it but isn’t there any love for the Niners as a fan?
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
he wants a new staff an until he gets that, expect nothing more.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
It was Goldson, and he shouldn't be on the team anyway.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
It's in reference to more than one PF call, there have been a lot.
When you consider the player that made that play, he is a d bag anyway and not a team player, a total hot head.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
6...
even he knows that Carr is not the back-up solution to Alex, otherwise why start Troy? I think Sing needs to get this team to win out the rest of the way if he wants to keep the job. Going 2 – 6 with the talent on our roster is just not going to cut it after we finished 8 – 8 last season. But I will say this…he’s still better than Erickson and Nolan.
That’s just saying this dog poo doesn’t smell as bad as those other two
by mcwagner on Nov 2, 2010 9:16 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
maybe so...
but @ least Sing is willing to take a chance on Troy instead of hand the QB back-up duties to Carr. Nolan was a freakin’ idiot to let O’Suck-i-van be our starting QB.
Side Note
I will watch the Rams game this weekend while we have a bye so I can get a look at Bradford and pray/hope we can get a similar QB in next years draft.
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
Niners are the best example of an NFL truth:
No matter how good your team is and no matter how talented your players are, you won’t win many games unless there is stability at the QB position. Notice I said stability and not “great QB”. That is all this team needs to be win more games. We need a lockdown CB and anyone who can get some sacks for the defense to become dominant but ALL WE NEED to win more games is consistent QB play.
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
That would be Dallas, we all say the same about SF even at the beginning of the season.
49ers would not be a playoff caliber team if not for a weak division.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
food for thought...
St. Louis will be coming off their bye-week too…which means both teams will be well rested. the difference is, the game will be played in San Fran, so we’ll have the home fan-base to help…
5
I want sing for 1 more year but bring in an assistant HC that can take over if things go wrong. I feel that we as fans just like owner ship want instant results. I would like to see if this year is a major fluke (Sophomore Jink). However I have never seen players quit and refuse to play for a coach on any team as I have seen this year. I feel that if he can bring the record back to .500 or above he will be back with a short leash next year. He really needs to make sure the players are responsible and have the technique down just like tre9er stated. keep running it until it is right in practice not the game. But overall think about what we have. We have a very young team that is still learning to play as pros and seem to improve each week. As far as the training camp if I recall the first year as coach everyone on the team complained about the difficulty (more discipline as a team last year). This year I did not hear those complaints this even from the rookies and now look at the discipline. Just a though.
Then you're left with a 3rd rate coach who was willing to be assistant to the head coach
A failing philosophy.
People just need to get over the emotional attachment to Singletary. Everyone likes him, but he’s not a good head coach. I don’t know why it’s even up for discussion anymore.
by whistlingmountain on Nov 2, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I do have an emotional attachment
But not necessarily to him or his style, but moreso because he was a home grown product, and I really want to believe that there was some redeeming factor to our time in the wilderness.
On top of that, beyond the football field, i would say our clear #1 need is coaching stability. Continuity in as many positions as possible, because just like a complex unit like the O-Line cannot be expected to swap players in and out all season, neither can a complex organization of coaches, trainers and coordinators be expected to build on the successes and failure of past seasons if they’re not given the opportunity.
The way I see it, we have two choices-
1. We can the coaches (again), and keep trying to catch lightning in a bottle. All or nothing, every season, our future coaches will be assessed by a simple forumla: win immediately or take a hike. The odds are not our friend here, since winning coaches already have jobs and aren’t easily parted with.
2. We give these guys years to improve and find their footing with our core. Probably equally risky, but given where we are, it is hard to be worse and given the unique circumstances of our young o-line, receivers and QBs (and outstanding young talent on the D), I think we’ll get better regardless, so why wouldn’t we take a shot at building a dynasty with what we have?
2.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Singletary was homegrown?
He’s from Texas, played in Chicago, developed as a coach in Baltimore. He’s about as far from a home grown product as possible.
I think the team needs good coaching stability more than it needs coaching stability for the sake of stability. Same with the QB position. Simply leaving a poor QB there for stability is not going to help.
It’s just not difficult to look at the 49ers product compared to most of the rest of the league and see that it is not at an appropriate level.
by whistlingmountain on Nov 2, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
The bulk of Singletary's coaching experience..
was under Mike Nolan.
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Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
Correct, that doesn't make him homegrown
Nolan had no coaching roots in SF.
The current 49ers are Baltimore grown, the Danny DeVito to their Arnold so to speak.
by whistlingmountain on Nov 2, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Dick Nolan was Mike's father..
in a way, that made him qualified to become the 49ers HC like Jed as Prez of the same team.
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Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
Not really, say you bring in Harbaugh from Stanford as OC to coach the offense. he would be the perfect coach if he had good coordinators.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
A statement in naivite
Harbaugh is not going to be an OC. He’s not going to be an asisstant head coach either. He will be a well paid head coach.
by whistlingmountain on Nov 2, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
For no reason. i wouldn't bring him up as a head coach, only as a head coach in waiting.
That’s what you would do, not me, that is the only way he could be on my stafff.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
So what are you saying then? I thought your point was to give an example of a good hire
And I said that hire is completely impossible, try again to find a good hire of someone that would be willing to accept an OC or Assistant position and then still be a good head coach if he took over midway through the season.
You won’t find one, you’ll find a bunch of 3rd rate options.
by whistlingmountain on Nov 2, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
He wouldn't be there to take over midseason, i wouldn't have a coaching change midseason.
It’s not gonna turn anything around. he would be a coach in waiting as in maybe a few seasons. that is the only way I would bring him in. He was just an example, and only if we drafted Luck. I personally would rather take a coach with experience.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Harbaugh vs Not Harbaugh is another discussion all together
I don’t see the point in retaining Singletary, let alone doing it with a safety net. That was what I was replying to.
“I want sing for 1 more year but bring in an assistant HC that can take over if things go wrong.”
by whistlingmountain on Nov 2, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
You don't but I do, it's called agreeing to disagree.
As i said i wouldn’t change coaches midseason.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Why do I get the feeling Sing would resign rather than be fired?
he’s a pride guy, and I think that if he sensed it was coming, or that they were going to bring in a GM who would take a lot of his duties (and probably also take his game-time decision making and hand it to someone else) that he would just resign.
Is it just me?
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
I've thought about this too, but
I can’t see him quitting, nor do I see him throwing up a stink when he is let go. I think he’ll take it on the chin and try to bounce back.
I do see him in college some day, I’m sure he could recruit well enough, and at the college level you could focus on a running game and actually be successful with it to a good degree if you’ve recruited the right linemen.
by whistlingmountain on Nov 2, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
If sing knocks on my door
I would sign my letter of intent right there. I actually think he would be a great coach in college.
by EcERyda69 on Nov 2, 2010 9:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No way he quits on the team
He would lose all credibility in what he teaches.
by EcERyda69 on Nov 2, 2010 9:45 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
what I mean
is that if Ownership hints they are going to fire him, or he realizes it…I think they’d maybe give him the option and he’d take it.
This team needs some real leadership from its players.
Nitwitter
Not until he becomes the Greatest Head Coach in the NFL.
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Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
how about greatest coach in the MAC?
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
Anywhere but SF.
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Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
3 -- same as the rating since the Chieffs game
The Niners are on their way to a 6-10 or a 7-9 season for a team that was expected by every pundit (except the Football Outsiders). The players still appear to be inadequately coached — Niners are the most penalized team in the league, I believe.
Sing continues to show that he is does not adapt to his environment. Calling up Troy Smith is not a sign of smart decision making — it’s desperation mode action. I expect Sing had considerable input into David Carr’s signing, It was a huge mistake. He is acknowledging that mistake belatedly.
This team, unlike even he Raiders, will never blow away even a college team. It plays down to the level of the opposition — a sure sign of coaching deficiency in a team where the leaders are young.
For Singletary to stay on,
1. he has to completely reinvent himself. Totally give up reins of the offense — I am convinced that there is no chance he will ever appreciate the modern passing game the way a defensive mind like Bellichick has come to appreciate and even contribute to it. I thought he would catch up, and boy, was I wrong?
2. He has to convince a (hopefully) revamped front office with a GM that he has finally climbed to the top of the learning curve. That convincing has to be done by winning the NFC West, something he will need a lot of luck and a lot of cooperation from the other three teams.
3. He has to make the Niners game worth watching for new fans, not those of us who have memories from the 8ps and 80s, His team has continued the legacy of Erickson and Nolan in making the Niners game ugly and sometimes unwatchable. This is important for building the new stadium. He has been progressively worse in his role as the face of the franchise.
Win out
The only way Singletary should stay is if he goes 8 and 0 the rest of the way. A better idea is to get John Gruden now ( if he’s available).
Why?
What has he done in a decade? We should do a full interview and search for a coach instead of favorites.
No kiddin, you think they hate our ofense now.
JEEBUS
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Maybe a different perspective on the HC function and how Singletary fits ...
Though retired now, I spent my entire career in a leadership position for major companies … specifically, as the CFO of several technology companies. The majority of my duties involved leading others, not doing myself. Accordingly, I may have a very different methodology for evaluating any head coach … and therefore Sing.
I evaluate all HCs on the basis of their performance in six categories. Here are those categories and my evaluation of Sing’s performance in each:
1. Leadership — the ability to identify problems, work with others to plan and implement solutions, communicate goals and performance expectations to all personnel levels, encourage compliance. Sing = D; the team as a whole continues to experience the same issues over and over again.
2. Team performance, growth, and development — planning and managing the continuing growth of all personnel. Sing = D; I simply do not see a lot of SIGNIFICANT growth in the coaches or the players; else we would not see the continuation of the same mistakes.
3. Personal growth — the ability to learn both from your own mistakes and from others. Sing = C; again, while I see some growth just from additional experience, I don’t see Sing really taking himself on and demanding that he improve his own performance; too much of the same mistakes over and over.
4. Team management / coordination / game management — organizing and coordinating the efforts of all contributors; Sing = D; see improper players on the field, unnecessary time-outs, poor clock management.
5. Creativity — the abiliity to bring personally or encourage others to bring new ideas, approaches, plays, etc. to the team. Sing = D/F; unfortunately Sing is one of the most stubborn people imaginable; he only knows one way and is determined to hammer that approach forever; unfortunately this mindset by a boss stiffles all thoughts of creativity by anyone else involved.
6. Team record — it is 2-6. Sing = D.
So … given my evaluation methodology, Sing is an all around D performer! The most discouraging part of this whole situation is that I don’t really see ANY possiblility of material change on Sing’s part — he is so stubborn that he will go down with the ship before being willing to change. Accordingly, THERE ARE NO CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH I AM WILLING TO SEE SING CONTINUE AS HEAD COACH AFTER THIS SEASON. On the other hand, I do not believe that firing a HC mid-season is ever a good idea unless there is an absolute insurrection in a team. I doubt that that will occur with this team.
Jed should spend the balance of this season interviewing, evaluating, and hiring a GM — I would vote for either Rich McKay or Steve Young. Then, relieve Sign of his duties at the end of the season. Meanwhile, Jed and the GM should be interviewing, evaluating and hiring a new HC who should have complete authority to select and hire his own coaching staff — I would vote for Jim Harbaugh because I think that he has more to offer in each of my evaluation categories than others that I would consider (e.g., Gruden, Billick, etc.).
by 49erFanSince1950 on Nov 2, 2010 11:54 AM PDT reply actions
You made my election day (see: sig).
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Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
You two should get a room
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
It's a joke, are you ever gonna move on from the 80's??
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
5
It took some guts to make the call on Troy Smith, and I give Sing some credit for that. We shot ourselves in the foot considerably less than we did in previous games, so maybe we’re getting some disciplinary issues ironed out. 5 because he’s been a 3 up to this point, but Troy Smith decision + getting a win + less stupid penalties for one week at least = an extra 2 points.
by Tom Huddlestone on Nov 2, 2010 12:12 PM PDT reply actions
Sing also brought him in.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
I think Sing and the players are right about London being a good experience
they bonded and I think it made them play for one another rather than with one another. I hope it continues and that this little break will do them some good too. However I hope Troy Smith uses some of the “off time” to get some things down, maybe timing with receivers if any stick around the area.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
Just make london our homefield........problem solved
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
He definitely is not that bad.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
True
Maybe if this was a scale of 1-10 on poor leadership
by Tom Huddlestone on Nov 2, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
He still isn't as bad as Childress, no matter what you have on the scale.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Bumped him up to a 4
He had a good week. Good QB decision, good preparation decisions for London, less offensive penalties.
If the team can mange win the next two games against the Rams and Bucs I’ll bump him up to a 5.
"Coach, it came down like a hail marry"
I gave him a 5
I’d like to see him fired after the season, but if we miraculously finish 9-7, I’d consider giving him another year.

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