49ers Offensive Coordinator Mike Johnson Approval Rating
by David Fucillo on Nov 4, 2010 7:02 AM PDT
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PrintThis week marks the 49ers 2010 bye week and also the midpoint of their season as they've now played eight games this season. I thought we'd use the bye week to bring back some past approval polls. Last year we ran a Jimmy Raye Approval Rating, and it seems only fair that Mike Johnson gets a poll. As we've started doing with Coach Singletary, I'm going to do this as a 1-10 poll to try and flesh out the gray area in the rating.
One drawback to any poll at this point is the potentially temporary change at the QB position. Does the use of Troy Smith this past Sunday affect your opinion of Mike Johnson's performance as offensive coordinator. In Tuesday's Mike Singletary Approval Rating I mentioned how some folks were jumping on Johnson in such short time, but nobody really went after the bait. Troy Smith or no Troy Smith, I do think the offense has improved under Mike Johnson. There are still some fairly key issues that must be addressed. The most important, in my mind, is figuring out how best to spell Frank Gore. However, getting consistent offensive line play could help fix a lot of problems.
I will say that when it comes to actual play-calling, there has been improvement. The need to establish the run still exists, but at least we're seeing some outside pitches. This past week saw a wide variety of intriguing play-calls, most notably the quick slants that gave Troy Smith some confidence. Of course, we find ourselves once again in some kind of holding pattern as far as what to expect from the offense given the lack of updated information about Alex Smith's shoulder. I remain convinced we'll get one more week of Troy Smith. If that's the case, it will be interesting to see how much more Coach Johnson opens up the playbook for Troy Smith.
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Alex not to happy!
Has any body look at Alex smith in the video when Sing is gaving the game ball in the locker room to Troy he is looking at Troy mad giving him the evil eye!
by senero on Nov 4, 2010 7:25 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Where's Alex in the video? Also, when was the last time Alex got the game ball?
Run the table, Niners!
He is in the back with a white shirt
You can see him like a few times He is on the left side and Karr on the right!
by senero on Nov 4, 2010 10:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Senero
you should get someone else to write your posts for you, preferably in english
If I gotta play, I'm gonna play 'till I win,
Since I gotta be here, I can´t wait to begin
by albertoleecho on Nov 4, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry for the grammar
Trata de escribir en espanol tu morron!
by senero on Nov 4, 2010 1:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't speak spanish
But I know when someone is being called a moron. What does Trata mean?
Actually if you look at Alex anytime during the game he was not happy
That bothered me as most good QBs, when they are injured, really root for the new QB to do well. I think Alex does not feel good about having Troy play.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I don't know if that's true
I kinda like that he was bent whenever the camera panned to him- these guys are paid, in large part, because they have an innate drive to compete (Sure, physical ability plays into it, but if you’re not willing to ruthlessly knock someone out, you’d make the world’s worst boxer).
I like guys that want the ball, that want playing time. I like and respect that about The Tank (even if it’s a bad idea for the team to let him, which is a different discussion). If I were a coach, I would want the problem of deciding who to put in because the team is full of competitors, instead of having prima donnas who need to be coaxed to come out and compete.
If Troy ends up crashing and burning, or (God Forbid) getting injured, I feel that Alex will be that much better for getting reminded just how fleeting the opportunity is.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
I fixed the poll...it should look like this:
1-Jimmy Raye
2-
3-
4-
5-
6-
7-
9-
10-Bill Walsh
Seeing Crabtree's TD celebration made a friend of mine start calling the 49ers the "Goldmembers"--can't say I blame her!
twitter me @grantmp1
7 Any OC that is more efficient with that BUM Alex Smith deserves some praise.
I like how he changes up the gameplan and it’s too bad that he wasnt the OC for the season.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Alex Smith under Johnson
7 TDs 4 Ints 84 QB rating
Not earth shattering but far better than what he did under Raye
Really? WTF is his problem then? He is a bum he sucks as a QB, he was an overhyped prospect in a paper thin draft. had the Niners passed we could have bid on Brees. he is a franchise crippling coach killer.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
i guess we will just disagree
if alex moves on to another team with a decent o-line, he will show his true talent.
What good is a decent O Line if you don't know how to manuver in a good posket and run out of them at times.
It’s the same OL that Smith had, and he wasn’t on the run much. He sits in the pocket 10 times better than Alex. i can’t agree to disagree when the points you are trying to make are obviously a lack of thorough analysis, or, a decision to not see Smith for who he is.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
6
Better than average, gets lots of credit for trying to shake the Jimmy Raye doldrums.
However, trying is not always doing, and I don’t feel he’s been able to rid the offense of the ghost of jimmy raye, especially when thrown into unfamiliar territory like he was with Troy Smith and David Carr at the helm.
Just like with Troy, I am willing to give MJ another shot to see what he can do now that he knows what he has in Troy, and actually gets a halfway decent shot at teaching him the playbook and practicing it.
But so help me God, if I see another three straight downs of the Tank up the middle… I’m opening another account, coming back here and voting 1.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
6 as well
still could come off the draw on 3rd and long almost every time…and the inside man-blocking schemes are crap most of the time…call plays that work until the guys get better at the ones that don’t.
He’s called pass plays and taken advantage of Crabtree, Walker, and Vernon and we even have Westbrook/Dixon on the field a few snaps a game. Should be more, but hey.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
I think he did the best he could in a few games with Alex Smith. He could only give Alex what Alex was able to work with.
One week with Troy Smith was good. He gave him some quality plays and I think (hope) that this coming game will have a lot more plays for Troy.
I gave him a 7 with the understanding that he is also handcuffed by what Sing wants and he said a couple weeks ago that Sing wants to run more so that is what he has to gameplan.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
8
I feel okay with OC calling plays. some of them were questionable but I need to see more play action on First down when we get a good run. Troy Smith was limited because of time. I am hoping he is well prepared as we fight within our division.
>< just win the d**n game or else! Or else what? Exactly!
Given the limitations he had--working with Smith and then a no-reps Smith...
Johnson has been a significant improvement. The team is scoring on opening drives with some regularity, and the turnovers have dropped since Johnson became OC, and they’re actually taking some shots downfield (just haven’t hit on too many of them yet). I voted 7
Seeing Crabtree's TD celebration made a friend of mine start calling the 49ers the "Goldmembers"--can't say I blame her!
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6
Third down efficiency is up under Johnson (is it possible to be worse than Raye on this?) variation of the running game (although still a few too many runs up the gut) and a good mix of player packages. 6-7 seems about right.
Hopefully
They let Troy air the ball out some. It seems when Troy wants to make a pass deep he is accurate and does not telegraph what he is doing. When Alex would throw deep, he would eye his receiver from the minute the ball was snapped making it so easy to know what he wants to do with the ball.
Yeah, Troy may have gotten a little bit of luck on his side with the Walker catch, but the pass to Crabs was beautiful. Thrown to a spot where ONLY his player can get it. I have not seen many of those passes from Alex, ever.
I personally think that Troy’s decision making was much better than Alex, especially because he led that great 4th quarter and had 0 turnovers. A win against a bad team can lead to some confidence which hopefully will spread through out the entire team.
LETS STICK WITH TROY!
5
A big improvement over Raye (1 or 2).
He got my hopes up but I’m now beginning to think that he won’t be able to shed the shackles of Singletary’s Neanderthal offensive philosophy which consists of scoring a TD or a field goal at the beginning of the game then putting the offense inside shell for the next two quarters when Gore gets his 20 carries for 60 yards and the defense tries to keep the opponent’s score low. In the fourth quarter, depending on how far they have fallen behind in the score, they either go into a desperation mode (let QB air it out) or grind out another score for a win by narrow margin (or lose by a narrow margin). A recipe for 8-8 season even with a talented team.
I don’t think SIngletary will ever give the Johnson (or Troy Smith) the opportunity to display creativity. We are stuck with profound offensive philosophical gems like “end every drive with a kick”, “establish a balance between run and pass”, “every play is designed to score a TD”, etc.
After hearing that the players had to beg the coaches to open up the playbook for Troy
I’m still a bit skeptical, but appreciate that the coaches listened to the players.
Run the table, Niners!
For Niners, difficult to rate individual performance in isolation
As it is, football is the ultimate team game. With a HC with such a strong personality, the entire team tends to take on the HC’s personality. So we have a young (including the coaching staff), inexperienced team who are looking for guidance to their HC (who now appears to be ad-libbing), and making mistakes and incurring penalties because they are so tightly wound up. The players don’t appear to be having fun.
Bottom line, I think Johnson could be a more productive and innovative OC than Singletary will allow him to be.
I agree but Sing won’t change it because he’s to stubborn
49ers por vida!!!!!!!!!!!!
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 4, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
If you think this is Sing's philosophy, you need to re-watch the games.
He got my hopes up but I’m now beginning to think that he won’t be able to shed the shackles of Singletary’s Neanderthal offensive philosophy which consists of scoring a TD or a field goal at the beginning of the game then putting the offense inside shell for the next two quarters
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
6
Just above average. Still see too many runs up the gut. That hail mary to Walker scared the crap out of me, but that’s on the QB, not the OC.
7, but keep in mind
He is still under a mike singletary offense, i wonder how much different it could be if he didnt have the smashmouth football mentality.
We would still see a lot of runs because gore is obviously the workhorse, but i bet he would open it up more. Either way though he has done a better job than raye.
Design the plays around the QB,not only Gore.The 9er’s haw WR.. to. Unused.
DON’T BE LAZY !!!!!!! Watch Bill Wallsh 49rs. tapes and play calls,and copy some.
The calls now is flat and prodictibol…Gore…Gore…Gore
The HC should notice and correct stupid calls !!!!!!!!!!!!
What about some pass plays????
Maybe Jed knew what he was talking about ?
Here is a fun and interesting numbers game we can play…
IF…all the favorite teams win and the underdogs lose in the NFC West,over the next two weeks,then the Niners will be only one game out of 1st place (one game behind all 3 of the other nfc west teams). (according to Mike Sando,nfc west blogger),with 7 games left to play .
Maybe Jed knew what he was talking about ,lol ???
5
He is without question doing far better tha Raye did with the same offense. But no higher than a 5 because there is still some times when he gets predcitable like the now infamous runs up the middle. I think some play action in those situations is called for. Especially with Troy at QB on a boot or rollout. There was a post about Troy running the option a few days ago and I think we should run the option but not the college option. Let Troy rollout with the option to run or pass. Motion Byham into the backfield and lead block for Troy on a rollout with receivers running depth routes and maybe the other TE(Davis or Walker) running a delay to the opposite end like on VD touchdown against the Raiders.
Also, not enough mixing in of Dixon and Westbrook earlier in the game. Let one or both of those guys have an entire series not just one play. Gore needs the rest.
When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?" I miss the 90's.....
I found this poll really difficult to respond to because of the unknowns ...
Obviously Johnson’s play-calling is DRAMATICALLY better than Raye’s … so, a 7 or 8?
But it’s not as good as I had hoped for when the change was made … so, 4 or 5?
But how much of that is REALLY Johnson? I have the sense that Sing has Johnson in a corral with respect to how much latitude he gets; so maybe the shortfall to my expectations is really Sing, not Johnson … so, maybe a 6?
Then, consider the amount of pressure (and expectations, like mine) was put on Johnson to perform; and in that respect he’s done well. So, my final rating is 6.43674!
If I were to me given one wish concerning the Niners for the balance of the season it would be that Sing be COMPLETELY DETACHED from the offense … have ZERO say in strategy, game-planning, and play-calling. Then we might find out what Mike Johnson can really do. Sigh! Unfortunately, that just isn’t going to happen!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Nov 4, 2010 1:17 PM PDT reply actions
NEGATIVE 1 MILLION
To all the posters that just don’t get it. How hard will it be to re-install an offense mid season? Building off of an offense is the way it HAD to be done, don’t you get it? None of you guys bashing Mj have taken into account that the Niners are more effective on 3rd down, they have scored more points and Crabtree and VD’s numbers went up. Then to turn it around on Sing and blame him, that is even worse, watch Sing when the offense has the ball, he does not say much after passes or runs, MJ has more freedom than you think, he just can’t implement an entirely new playbook.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Calm down rlott
I understand everything you are saying, but this is very subjective and can be approached from multiple directions. 1-10 on how he has dealt with the hand he was dealt, 1-10 isolating the games he has coached only. 1-10 on how much of an improvement he is over Raye. It seems simple, but the number varies drastically depending on how you look at it.
What is wrong with saying, isolating his games without considering other factors, he is subpar. Knowing that next year, his productivity will likely improve. I agree with you about Sing’s influence (or non-influence). But I personally think the best way to rate him is each game he has coached, no consideration given for circumstances, previous coaches, etc. When he improves, so does his rating. Otherwise, would you just give him a 10 because he is giving 100% effort? Do you just give 10 if he wins a SB? What if he coached a shitty game for the SB we won?
I am not saying I agree with everyone’s bashing, but I would have to put him below average if you don’t consider the situation or circumstances. Opening scripted plays look great, but then things turn pretty vanilla. How do you abandon successful plays used in that opening drive? I am referring to the runs that aren’t up the middle there.
I didn't give him a 10. But to say that nothing that has transpired goes into the vote, makes it a strawman vote.
There is no telling what kind of offensive coordinator he is given the circumstances. However, what he has accomplished with the time he has had has to be seen with all things considered, and that’s just my opinion.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
I realize you can't tell much about him given the circumstances
But that goes both ways.
I was initially thinking 7ish. I think he is a huge improvement over Raye. He is much less predictable. I think his passing plays are great. However, I am greatly disappointed in his Run play selection. He starts out creative, then reverts to the Raye Ram-the-Middle. Even when outside runs seem so successful. Overall, I decided lower was more accurate, next year, with better QB and time to come up with his own playbook/scheme, he will likely be above average.
Exactly, there isn't much you could have implemented in the offense.
From the starters to the backups, progressions, protections, and audibles for all positions, it just isn’t realistic to assume it’s hiw entire system throughout the whole game. That’s why he starts out creative and then seems to change. Shoule he run the same scripted plays all game, or should he make different calls? Next year, If Sing is gone he is gone with.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
MJ is a positive from this season
He’s still dealing with the youngest offense in the league yet has stepped in after three games and accomplished things his predecessor did not: First drive TD in 3 of 5 games. 50% or better in third-down conversions twice in five games. He’s called plays that led to very good red zone execution in the four of the games. VD caught a TD in four consecutive while Crabtree caught 3 TDs (both had zero through three games). These are things that any OC would be happy with.
That he’s done this with issues that will stall any offense (two rookie OL. Inconsistency at QB) while playing three QBs, attempting to utilize three RBs, and having Walker out for 3+ games has made it all the more impressive. The points scored and yardage totals would be higher with his play calling if the QB play improved.
If MJ is not here next season, someone will hire him as their new OC. I expect he’ll only get better.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
LMAO..
Jeebus, I just don’t know what you smoke. It has to be a combo of grinded up Oxycondin, Starbucks beans, and Viagra.
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No interest in any of the three
But tell me, do they work for well for you? I’m guessing the latter one makes every game look like a Boise home game.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Maybe I should try them...
after all, they help you get a SpurredOn at this coaching staff. Call it a 5-11 cocktail that makes it look like 11-5.
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Official Sponsor of Steve Young for Vice President of the 49ers in 2011
Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
Sounds like you tried at least the first of the three since you’re making even less sense than usual. And that is tough to do.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Jeebus..
I’ve not only watched you fail as a half assed analyst of 49ers football, but you’re bringing a whole new level of fail at bringing your so called ass in this short conversation.
Sheesh.
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Official Sponsor of Steve Young for Vice President of the 49ers in 2011
Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
Your failure continues as you prove my point about you. Three weeks ago it was name calling. Now it’s swearing. You revert to the lowest behavior when you have no point or worse, when your silliness is called out. Keep spewing weakness. Your assessment of the Niners is almost as inaccurate as your assessment of me, which would be okay if you weren’t so unpleasant in communicating both.
You may also want to re-check the blog conversation from a week ago about how to make this blog better. You continue to exhibit behaviors that were listed as making it worse. So that is one thing at which you succeed. Congrats.
http://www.ninersnation.com/2010/10/28/1778650/making-the-best-49ers-blog-out-there-better
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Holy freakin' wow...
took you this long to start whining? Stop the sanctimonious crap. I wouldn’t bad on you if you weren’t such a horrid poster who has seriously bad takes about the 49ers. Really, that’s what it is. I mean, it took you long enough to respond after all my other posts knocking down the Kool-Aid nonsense you have been squirting out. Good to see you in mid-season meltdown form that you got into last season.
I don’t know if you realize this, but you have been pretty much wrong about a lot of things you have posted about. I can always at least back up my takes on this team.
My point about making this site better is taking posters like you to task. Raise the bar. That means helping a poster like yourself stop being delusional. Because I don’t know who you are trying to delude to bring them along with you under said bar.
Holy crap, just when I thought you couldn’t get any worse.
The 2010 SF 49ers: It's FAIL, done better
Official Sponsor of Steve Young for Vice President of the 49ers in 2011
Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
Whining? That would be you. Often. Sanctimonious? Nope, just the facts. You’re awful so it’s an easy assessment. Horrid poster? Yes, that is you. But it is your right. Just learn to be less unpleasant. Your other posts? I tend to ignore most all that you post. Saves time avoiding waste. Pretty much wrong? Your opinion, not accurate, per usual, but yours. It is allowed. Unlike you, I don’t attack people for having one, even when I disagree, even when it’s all negative. There’s room for everyone here.
Now, what kind of person sits around waiting to “take posters to task” for non-inflammatory and non-antagonistic posts which they disagree with? A very small man. It’s a sports blog. Get. A. Life. Time to grow up drummer, be a big boy. The Niners may not win the West this season but you can reach maturity. Two months left in 2010. Think you can do it?
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
The offense looks worse..
than it did last mid-season change @ QB. This offense sucks. It’s a mish mash of crap that has zero cohesion, even with Alex Smith. How can I vote for this?
The only yhing I can tell you about this offense is that if they run Gore, they have a shot at winning the game against other bad offenses. That’s it. This offense is horrid. It’s almost Hostler horrid. Why? Because they are some playmakers who create more opportunity against coverage breakdowns and some lucky plays. It’s not by design at all. If you think you are seeing a good offense, then more power to ya. The local soup kitchen is serving. It’s a night out for you.
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Well, we're waiting.. (for David Carr to start by week 7) - Old Sig
7
I gave him a 7 because, remember, he is calling plays in Jimmy Raye’s offense. Who knows what the “Mike Johnson” offense looks like. But I’d like to see it!
Give Sing and Johnson another year. I say don’t take Sing’s head just yet. Let it develop.
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