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1st round QBs in recent history (1 of 29)
Hello all, chikmagnet here. You probably remember me as that annoying poster that is always bothering you in the Official NFL Draft Threads here on NinersNation.
Anyways, what I will be doing in this small segment is looking back in NFL history at 1st round quarterbacks. We'll look way back at these guy's college careers and try to remember what made them 1st round picks. We'll try to remember what their strengths and weaknesses were as college players. I'll try my best to provide you with some sort of video, some interesting facts, and possibly some quotes by the draft experts when they were evaluating these players.
Finally, we'll take a brief look at how they performed at the NFL level. It is here that we'll try to make the connection:
- Why was this guy successful/unsuccessful? and Which current NCAA quarterback compares to this player?
Now, given that the NFL Draft has been around since 1936, we have to limit ourselves somehow. I decided to just stick to the 2000-2010 drafts because they're fresh in people's memories and it's easy to find information from ten years ago.
Note: I want you to keep in mind that this is a community effort. I will not be able to find everything about these players. If you happen to remember specific incidents related to these players, please feel free to share your information in the comments section. Also, please give me your thoughts on the segment and tell me how I can improve these posts.
And so we will begin with the very first quarterback selected in this millennium: Chad Pennington!
I know, I know, I was disappointed too...
Chad Pennington played at Marshall from 1995 to 1998. But he wasn't exactly your typical 4-year starter, as he was benched in between years. In spite of this, he led Marshall to two championships (one when Marshall was in Div-II and another when Marshall moved to Div-I).
You may recall that Chad Pennington was teammates with a certain player by the name of Randy Moss while at Marshall. Some may jump to conclusions and say that Pennington was only successful at the college level because he had this beast to throw to. That is not the case; however, as Randy Moss and Chad Pennington teamed up for only one year (1997...which wasn't even Pennington's best year at Marshall).
Pennington had his best year in 1998 (right after Moss left...huh) when he led the Marshall Thundering Herd to a 12-0 record and finished with with 4,006 passing yards and 38 touchdowns.When you think about Chad Pennington you probably think about the man with the girly arm, so what allowed him to play so well?
His biggest strength was his brain. Pennington was a brilliant quarterback. He learned how to read defenses at the college level and used his knowledge to make quick and smart decisions on the field. As a result, he threw very few interceptions in his college career. The offense he ran at Marshall also helped prepare him for the NFL, as it was pro-style.
To sum up: He was a non-mobile, low-pedigree QB that was successful mainly because of his brains, intangibles, and sheer will to succeed.
How did he turn out in the NFL?
Well, his poor physical skills have always limited him, but we all know he was further hurt by those big injuries. He still does hold the record for highest ever career completion % though.
I think we can consider him a successful, albeit, unlucky QB. (He also gives hopes to schmucks everywhere. If Chad Pennington can be an NFL quarterback, then you can too!)
Here is a wonderful video of Chad Pennington's last drive while at Marshall
Here are his career stats
| Stats Overview | Passing | |||||||||
| YEAR | CMP | ATT | YDS | CMP% | YPA | TD | INT | |||
| Career | 1026 | 1619 | 13423 | 63.3 | 8.3 | 115 | 45 | |||
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Ok, so I would really appreciate it if you could all tell he how to improve this segment
I couldn’t find any interesting tidbits and the only Mel Kiper thing I could find was when he said that Ben Roethlisberger reminded him of Chad Pennington….yeah…right.
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Big Ben and Chad are opposites in the NFL
by mcwagner on Nov 4, 2010 10:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
I was really baffled when I read that statement
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by SportsChicken on Nov 5, 2010 7:22 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
scouting reports
Not sure how successful it would be with QBs in those earlier years, but googling “Player X” scouting report is pretty solid for finding those reports from random sites.
by David Fucillo on Nov 5, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Great job on this post magnet... very good read!
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Thanks Drew
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by SportsChicken on Nov 5, 2010 7:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Chad was good
He took sometime to develop and I blame the injuries on the water-pistol arm. He is perfect for a conservative westcoast offense using drag routes with powerful WRs that can get YAC. He cannot be relied on to save the game, rather to protect the win.
He was an average QB that had some strengths and plenty of weaknesses that could be exploited. Amazing backup QB that can win when not gameplanned for. Maybe better to be a second to third round pick but no real loss as a first rounder for a talented team picking in the 20s
by mcwagner on Nov 4, 2010 10:22 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Chad Pennington was the perfect WCo, QB, he just didn't have the right HC or system to fit his needs.
Extremely accurate, no need to have a rifle because he was CRAZY accurate with his throws. When you have that accuracy from 0-25 yards, you can do a lot of damage, and he could make the long ball throws if not for the injuries. Worth the 1st rounder, but the wrong team took him.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Yes I remember you
You are the one always trying to disprove my hypothesis. But these are good I liked reading this post I can’t really say that Pennington was a waste of a first rounder because I never saw him play. That is all
i put that in there just for you
But the question is : which of the current college QBs compares to Pennington?
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by SportsChicken on Nov 5, 2010 7:27 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ive got to disagree
Luck is a much better athlete than Mr. Pennington
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by SportsChicken on Nov 5, 2010 8:35 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Now that i think about it
Colt McCoy reminds me of Pennington
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by SportsChicken on Nov 5, 2010 8:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
yay
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by SportsChicken on Nov 7, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
he also has a much better arm
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by SportsChicken on Nov 5, 2010 10:46 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You're back to this?
I thought we went over this already?
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by SportsChicken on Nov 5, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Its easily correctable
He has the arm to make the throws so…
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by SportsChicken on Nov 5, 2010 7:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
A lot of things are correctable
Don’t get me wrong he is the best QB on my draft board mostly because his floor is really high. But I just get the feeling that some people on this board think that he is next coming of Montana.
P.s. I was wondering what makes P.Manning so great. So if you want a nice round number, 30, choose Manning. Dude is just great there is no one like him and when he retires he may be the best QB ever or the best player ever in NFL history.
There is only one Montana
I do like that Luck’s floor is very high and I can acknowledge that a guy like Mallet has a much higher ceiling.
But I guess it just comes down to this:
I think Luck has a better chance of succeeding than any other QB in this year’s draft.
As for Manning: That’s a great idea.
What better way to close out the segment than to go back a few extra years and examine the best QB of the past decade.
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by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is only one Montana
This
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Yes
Watch old games on youtube and NFL network
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by SportsChicken on Nov 8, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Occasionally they show some old games
Especially during the offseason.
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by SportsChicken on Nov 9, 2010 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
So Does Alex Smith
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
But Alex has other problems
This is Luck’s ONLY problem
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by SportsChicken on Nov 7, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe a low 1st round draft pick
I’m guessing most will be critical but Chad Pennington he was viable starting QB who could lead a team to the playoffs.
"Coach, it came down like a hail marry"
he was picked 18th, i believe
I’ll be sure to include that info in future posts
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by SportsChicken on Nov 5, 2010 8:36 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice job Noe
I like Pennington’s grit on that video. He was sacked and had a few unsuccessful running plays (one of which was a read shovel pass on his part) but even when the clock was ticking down he had poise, not panic. The scramble was a key play too.
I think that’s what I most want to see from OUR FUTURE quarterback…poise and grit, leadership.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
you would draft Pennington with a 1st
For this current 49ers team?
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by SportsChicken on Nov 5, 2010 8:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah, probably
this was pre-shoulder disintegration and his attitude and poise was solid.
Not top 10 where we’ll be picking though…trade down.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
Yep
Pennington was a pretty good prospect
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by SportsChicken on Nov 5, 2010 10:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think we have a great situation for a rookie QB
the O-Line has played stellar at times and will be even better next year (or should be). We have Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Michael Crabtree (please play pre-season next year), etc. Our defense is pretty good and hopefully get’s better with help in secondary and pass rush…
Most rookie QB’s go to awful teams who don’t even have an O-Line to protect them…I believe some of the guys who bust were in a bad situation and couldn’t recover from it.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
About those busts
We’ll be getting into those busts in later installments.
There is actually one year that is 100% busts
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by SportsChicken on Nov 5, 2010 2:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep
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by SportsChicken on Nov 5, 2010 7:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ya I had to do some research before I could say that great QB prospects come out every year
and when I looked at 2002 I was like damn that was a horrible year
I lol’d really hard when I saw the names.
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by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
You really only need to know that was the year JTO got drafted to have an idea of how bad that year was for QBs.
Looking back through these drafts is pretty entertaining. Man, 2007 was an awful draft for QBs (Troy Smith aside!). 2004 was ridiculous. I’m having trouble finding a year as deep as that one. 1993 is kind of sort of up there (and a good year to pick ‘em late!). 1987 was a’ight. But, seriously, 2004 was probably the best year for quarterbacks overall since 1983. Crazy.
And holy crap, 1996…
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by howtheyscored on Nov 6, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
JTO
He was drafted?
OMFG
You’re right, 2004 was awesome
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by SportsChicken on Nov 7, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
8.3 YPA!?!?!
that’s a lot better than i was expecting. phillip rivers is leading th NFL right now with something in that neighborhood.
as far as improving the segment, i would like to see more coverage of how they were perceived as pro prospects leading up to the draft.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
i found a mock draft that has him going 12th to the 49ers.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2000/love_mock1.html
it calls him a “can’t miss prospect” but doesn’t say why.
here’s another mock that offers a little more insight:
8 Pittsburgh Steelers – Chad Pennington, QB, Marshall
- I watched him throw strikes to Randy Moss a few years back and thought he was a product of Randy’s greatness. Them(sic) I watched him throw strikes to players with the skill of my grade school teacher, Mr. Morgan and I realized hat(sic) this guy is going to be a player. Here’s my fearless prediction for this draft. Chad Pennington will be a star QB in the NFL someday.
Apparently his grade school teacher was Josh Morgan.
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Excellent finds
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by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, he was actually really good
I mean, he didn’t face such tough competition but he still put up some excellent numbers.
Yeah, I forgot to include mocks.
I’ll definitely do that in the upcoming segments.
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by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
accurate smart qb limited by his physical capabilities?
hmm that sounds a lot like kellen moore if you ask me.
by afrikabamboodle on Nov 6, 2010 10:50 AM PDT reply actions
Interesting comparison
Chad Pennington is taller than Moore though.
Does Moore have Penningotn’s dedication and intelligence though?
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by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Moore is awesome
I can’t say anything about Moore dedication since I haven’t met him. But he looks pretty awesome
I would say so based on watching him play and hearing what people say about him
No one raves about how successful he’s going to be in the nfl or anything but when it comes down to a game all the announcers say they would want Moore QBing them for the win. His statline for 2009 (277/431 64.3% 3536 Yrds 8.2 YPA 39 TDs 3 INTs) and his stats so far for 2010 (125/179 69.8% 1865 Yrds 10.42 YPA 18 TDS 2 INTs) No one raves about his arm strength or anything like that so for him to put up almost a 70% completion rate and averaging an insane 10.42 YPA that’s gotta be all efficiency and reading defenses. I would love to see him actually get a chance to play against a top 5 defense and how he does against it but I wouldn’t be surprised if he can gut it either. Closest comparison to Pennington IMO. Off topic but if he can do what Bradford did and put on 15-20 pounds of muscle I would draft him in an instant.
by afrikabamboodle on Nov 6, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
No doubt if I was down by 4 with 2 minutes left I would choose Moore over any QB in the NCAA
You missed probably the best pass ever. It was zone coverage and they rushed three a guy was in 4 man coverage but no one was behind him and Moore lofted it up over everyone and it landed perfectly in the WR hand. He also went on a 19 throws catch streak. Most of them were between 7-15 yards. He is amazing
That's a very interesting comparison
and might be spot on the money. Super accurate QB who isn’t known for having a gun for an arm. Smart, reads defenses well.
If a head coach were to draft Moore to a WCO style of team, or a variant of it where he won’t be required to make deep throws often, he could be a very successful QB, though not necessarily a star.
He has some pretty accurate deep passes too
He threw a couple against Hawaii and they landed perfectly.
You know
I get the feeling you’re not actually paying attention to the criticisms that are being offered of Kellen Moore. Nobody’s said he isn’t accurate or that he doesn’t throw deep.
His problem is that when he does throw deep the balls hang in the air forever. There’s no zip on them, and that will lead to lots of interceptions in the NFL.
But Luck actually has a strong arm
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by SportsChicken on Nov 7, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
But he CAN
He just doesn’t.
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by SportsChicken on Nov 7, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
Never shown it...really?
You can’t see it when he fires rockets through the middle of the field?
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by SportsChicken on Nov 8, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
No, I mean the balls that get to the receiver in less than a second
He has the arm strength
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by SportsChicken on Nov 9, 2010 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
Not really
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by SportsChicken on Nov 8, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Hmm must be remembering wrong
but its all good he was a #1 round pick so he should get a post. BALLINNN
He will be getting his own post
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by SportsChicken on Nov 9, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
His stock dropped after his senior season, but he would have been the consensus top pick in 2005. The only concerns at that time, I think, were possible arm strength issues and possible injury risks. He was regarded as a great prospect at the time.
Even after his senior season, he was well regarded as a prospect. He just wasted the hell out of his opportunity.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
He was highly regarded in 2005 but his stock dropped significantly after the season
I was pretty happy when I saw the Cardinals pick him because I didn’t think he would amount to anything.
I was under the impression that Reggie Bush was the guy responsible for his success.
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