College Football Gameday Thread: Week 10
by Drew Kerr on Nov 6, 2010 8:30 AM PDT
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PrintThere's nothing better than college football in November and December. It's cold. True football playing weather. It's also the time where the very moldable rankings seem to start cementing a bit more. There is still quite a bit that could happen between now and when the bowl games are announced but for the most part some teams just simply start creating huge seperation. Some teams even seem to be unstoppable. Similar to how Alabama played last year and hence why they were able to win a National Championship. The season isn't over just yet but this year's Alabama seems to be quite possibly the Oregon Ducks. Their offense just keeps going, and going, and going like the Energizer Bunny no matter who is in there.
Last week featured a bundle of intriguing matchups. This week there aren't as many but the few that will be featured after the jump most certainly will draw some national attention.
#3 TCU vs. #5 Utah
Both teams will enter this battle with undefeated records. One team will walk away from this game with a big goose egg trailing their win total once again this week. TCU's defense has been allowing less than 9 total points a game as a unit while Utah is ranked third in the nation in total points scored per game with 45.3. However, the Utes defense is not as talented as the Horned Frogs. The ground game for TCU will need to be slowed while they are ranked 9th in the nation if the Utes want a fighting chance at any kind of upset. I just believe that TCU will be too much for the Utes this week. Slight edge goes to the Frogs in this one.
#6 Alabama vs. #10 LSU
Alabama was ranked #1 in the nation for a majority of the first part of the season... and rightfully so. Even thought they were upset, Nick Saban still has that team believing that they have a shot at a national title. And frankly, they quite possibly may. The two-headed monster of Mark Ingram and Trent Richardson may be too much for the Tiger defense to handle. There are several pro prospects playing in this game. LSU will feature one of, if not the best, cornerback in the nation in Patrick Peterson. Even thought the Crimson Tide has the edge in this one, it wouldn't shock me to see an upset. If the Tigers bring their A-game and Alabama has the same luck that they did in their loss to South Carolina it very well could happen. The LSU running game is not far behind Alabama's.
#15 Arizona vs. #13 Stanford
The Cardinal are coming a very one-sided whopping of the Washington Huskies. It was all skill and not just "Luck" in a dominating 41-0 victory. This week Andrew Luck and company will have a tougher defense. Coach Mike Stoops is a defensive mided coach and will do everything in his power to shut down the high-octaned Cardinal offense. Look for this to not be as much of a walk in the park for Stanford. The Wildcats match up quite well and have a legitimate shot at coming out of this week with another win. Arizona could see Nick Foles back this week. If that happens, it could be another intriguing matchup at the quarterback position. Nic Grisby and Keola Antolin for the Wildcats should be Arizona's highlight on offense. Juron Criner should see quite a few targets through the air as well. Stoops has really put a nice program down in Tucson, AZ but I think Stanford and Luck will just be too much for them to overcome this week. Edge Stanford.
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I'd say the Hawkeyes are hunting Hoosier in Indiana,
but I have no idea what a Hoosier is. Either way. GO HAWKEYES!!!!!! STANZI IS THE MANZI!
"It's something I think about on a day to day basis: These Colors Don't Run. Love it or leave it USA #1!"-Ricky Stanzi Iowa QB and Patriot
Blindly Optimistic follower of The Iowa Hawkeyes, San Francisco 49ers, and the Charlotte Bobcats.
Now there is some truth...
The Niners need to take the best CB or pass rusher available in the 1st, then try to get Mallet with their next pick
by sanfranfanmdk on Nov 6, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
He is a redshirt Junior (because he transferred), which means he is a senior in technical college experience
He also leads the Nation in long passing plays (heard that on College Gameday this morning)
by sanfranfanmdk on Nov 6, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
So is Manning, Peyton that is.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
No he's not
Watch Manning’s feet. He has the BEST pocket mobility and presence in the NFL.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 6, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
He moves his feet, yet he is a statue.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Sorry, can't agree with you there
Peyton is a master of moving within the pocket. Most QB’s move laterally and bail from the pocket prematurely which leads to unnecessary sacks. Peyton stays on his toes, moves like a snake while staying in the pocket that his line sets up, and then steps into throws. He rarely gets sacked because of his movement within the pocket and general awareness, not because he has a great offensive line.
If you watch his feet on any given passing play then you see him constantly moving. Actual movement, not just bouncing on his toes in the same place.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 6, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I misunderstood the original post, he is great in the pocket and a statue anywhere else. not disagreeing with ya.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Peyton is the least mobile QB in the NFL which means scrambling
But when he runs you know he is going to get enough yards
by manraj7 on Nov 6, 2010 8:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No Peyton moves around
Watch a video of Mallett and he doesn’t move around
by manraj7 on Nov 6, 2010 7:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Mallett is flat footed
When you watch a QB like Peyton in the pocket he’s always on his toes.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 6, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is why I called him a statue
by manraj7 on Nov 6, 2010 7:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It's my main knock on Mallett right now
Needs major work on his footwork in the pocket. It’s probably the only thing keeping me from calling him an elite QB prospect.
I’m shocked he didn’t work on that in the offseason knowing that he was already a NFL prospect going into last year’s draft.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 6, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
That and not so great decision making
by manraj7 on Nov 6, 2010 8:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not buying that one
There are very few poor decisions that he makes with the ball in a game. The few that he has made this year have been magnified due to the importance of the game and situations when they happened.
A lot of people act as if Mallett is out there pulling a Jay Cutler every game. He takes more risks than most college QB’s because he has the arm to make those throws. He’s not throwing into double/triple coverage though and I rarely see him even throw into a well covered receiver.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 6, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
When I say bad decision I mean fitting into double coverage
And mostly under pressure
by manraj7 on Nov 6, 2010 8:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He did work on his footwork
It has improved significantly since last year.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 8:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm starting to think that the whole Senior/Junior/R-Sophmore QBs thing is overblown
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
The whole point on that I think is maturity
Of course some people are more mature for their ages while others are not.
by manraj7 on Nov 6, 2010 6:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Thats what im thinking
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 8:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Luck is the best QB right now
But that Boise QB can throw. If he could add some weight to those bones he could be a great QB.
by manraj7 on Nov 6, 2010 10:14 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
He also needs to grow 5 inches.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
That's what she said.
"I don't know what feels worse than an interception... I don't know... Probably someone burning an American flag would hurt a little more, inside, than an interception. I don't know man, that'd be pretty bad." - Ricky Stanzi
by Haggardninja on Nov 6, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
We've been over this before
Drew Brees has a significantly stronger arm.
And he’s heavier
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 8:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You can easily put on weight
went from 130-145 in 2 months
by manraj7 on Nov 6, 2010 8:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Also he can make all of the throws
by manraj7 on Nov 6, 2010 9:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not like Drew Brees
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 7, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Guys if you want to see an awesome pass
go on espn3.com click on the Boise vs Hawaii game and click on the td pass by Moore.
Moore gets pulled in the 4th quarter his stat line is
drum roll please…
30/37 502 yards 81.1% and 13.7 ypa 3 TD and 2 INT. And yes his stat line accurately describes his play today. He had 3 bad throws all were over thrown. One landed incomplete the other two INT.
Against Hawaiis lol defense
He’s not that good.
Was more impressed by A.Daltons play
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 8:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He still threw the ball really well
I hope Boise plays better Ds next year so I can show that he is awesome.
by manraj7 on Nov 6, 2010 9:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He's a great college QB
and yeah Hawaii’s defense is laughably bad. Actually I don’t think they’ve ever had a good defense, they’re normally about the offense.
Yep
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 7, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
QB Prospects I likes
Mallett
Luck (The con on him is his windup)
Devlin (I’m almost sure though he’ll move up to #2 on the list after the combine, pro-day, and all of that)
Kirk Cousins* (He’ll probably stay in school though)
Jake Locker (Bad QB, great tangibles)
Blaine Gabbert (I believe all he needs is a great coach. But the coach must be great not just good)
Matt Mcgloin (NFL career backup)
My track record on sleepers…
Hunter Cantwell 09 – Carolina’s 3rd string QB.
Mike Kafka 10 – Philadelphia’s 3rd stringer
Bandwagons I never boarded…
Mark Sanchez
Jake Locker
Jevan Snead
Tony Pike
"...Ehh...I don't really know right now still stuck in Game Mode" - Lil Timmy Jim
Title should be labeled "QB prospect ranks"
otherwise I contradict myself by saying I like Locker. It’s in descending order from best to least.
"...Ehh...I don't really know right now still stuck in Game Mode" - Lil Timmy Jim
Left handed? Small size? Small armed? Almost every pass is short Moore?
:-) Kellen will either be on a Practice Squad or in the UFL
"...Ehh...I don't really know right now still stuck in Game Mode" - Lil Timmy Jim
every pass is short?
Do you watch the game? He makes every pass and since when is being left handed a bad thing. Here are some left handed QBs. Steve Young Bradford Brees? and more. I almost believed you had a decent arguement then you said all of his passes are short. He makes every single pass hence he is 30/37 for 507 yards. 13.7 YPA. He threw multiple deep passes and they were perfect.
McGloin had a pretty nice game today....
4 TD passes, not too shabby lol…..It was great to see Joe Pa get #400
by sanfranfanmdk on Nov 6, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Luck's windup?
He has a very fast delivery.
Defenders don’t break on his passes so its a non-issue.
Where is Weeden on this list?
I know he’s old but he’s been playing really well
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 6, 2010 8:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Today's games show why you need to WATCH the game to know the story
Andrew Luck has completed one pass downfield. One. He’s thrown about 10-15 screen passes, shovel passes, and checkdowns. And he’s floated every single pass that’s gone downfield.
It’s been a very average performance from him. I’ve seen him play better this year, but his statline is going to look great at the end of the day. Luck has become one of those guys that you’re either in love with or don’t understand all of the hype. I fall into the latter category more and more every single week. Nothing he does with the football aside from throwing a great slant and 5-10 yard in/out route strikes me as #1 pick worthy.
Meanwhile, Mallett completed about 5 passes downfield and will end up with similar yardage. He has an INT on the stat sheet, but the INT came on a slant to his WR where he hit the WR in the numbers with a bullet and a CB came in and delivered a hit which knocked the ball into the air for an easy deflection INT by Gilmore. Having watched the games, I’d say Mallett played better football today. He was making throws to every part of the field with accuracy and elite velocity. It may have been one of his best games this year.
Also, Kellen Moore and Andy Dalton put up ridiculous statlines today but I’ll be interested in watching the games on ESPN3 to see how they actually played. TCU is the real deal and needs to start getting more respect.
Another note: Foles just lost himself about 2 rounds in the draft with today’s performance. He should go back to school next year.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
FWIW
I thought Luck’s best quarterback play this year was against Oregon and that’s probably going to be his worst statistical game of the year. He threw some terrible passes later in the game, but overall that was a game where he played well against a good defense.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 6, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Moore played awesome
I saw that game and he played as well as his stat line says. He had 3 overthrown passes that ended up being intercepted twice. Btw 0 tipped balls so much for being small.
by manraj7 on Nov 6, 2010 7:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
To be fair
It was against Hawaii’s defense. But I still like Moore as a mid-round QB. You can’t go wrong having leaders like that on your roster.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 6, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
It's still impressive watch the replay crazy accurate throws
by manraj7 on Nov 6, 2010 7:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Going to watch the game on ESPN3 tomorrow
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 6, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I won't mind
I’ve seen about 6 Boise State games since Moore came to the program. He’s very accurate and I’d expect to see that every game regardless of the opponent. I’m more interested in seeing how well his receivers were covered downfield. Young and Pettis are two of the best WR’s in the country and Hawaii has never been known to play any kind of defense.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 6, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Moore is a solid third to forth round prospect right now
If he bulks up to 200 pounds I’ll say 2nd round. He will be a huge steal if a good coach picks him up like Montana.
by manraj7 on Nov 6, 2010 7:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Second deep throw by Luck
Another floated pass, caught by Owusu. Those passes will be intercepted every time in the NFL. He HAS to fix that nonsense.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 6, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Been saying that since the Oregon game
by manraj7 on Nov 6, 2010 8:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
VS that competition he should have Heisman hopeful numbers, if he is that good.
I say he is overrated, and i never said that about bradford, he threw for 60 tds for crying out loud. Luck equals Linehart to me.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
I just can't remember another potential #1 QB in a draft
Who couldn’t throw an NFL quality 30+ yard pass. Luck supporters have to be flat out lying to themselves if they don’t see this as an issue. It can be worked on, hopefully, but it’s a current issue.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 6, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
You know who can make those throw Moore
I love that guy small QBs are our future
by manraj7 on Nov 6, 2010 8:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He looks like linehart in that regard, people want a player they will make them out to be someone they are not.
i don’t like many of the QBs but if I HAVE to pick one, it’s Mallet.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Honestly, how often do QBs need to throw the ball 30 yards in the NFL?
maybe 10% of the time? Maybe less?
Depends on the offensive scheme
Which is why I’ve said that scheme will dictate Luck’s success in the NFL. I’m convinced that Luck would fail miserably in any vertical offensive scheme. He is best suited running a west coast offense.
And it’s not just 30 yard passes. Honestly, most passes Luck makes beyond 20 yards end up floating far longer than they should.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 7, 2010 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Honestly, most passes Luck makes beyond 20 yards end up floating far longer than they should.
Honestly… that’s untrue…completely untrue. Very far from reality.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Video
Look at it. He floats most passes beyond 20 yards. Any vertical routes downfield are floated. The only ~20 yard passes he doesn’t float are post routes.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 8, 2010 5:48 AM PST up reply actions
I guess you just don't
know the details… Die hard stanford fan here, so I follow the information very closely. Luck is already an nfl qb running a college(nfl style) offense. I was at the arizona game last night and ended up having a conversation with a couple of guys detailing the kind of offense stanford is running. Apparently Andrew is givin a group of 4, yes 4 possible plays on any given down that could be run. He then gets to the line of scrimmage, surveys the defense and decides whether or not to go with the initial play called or check down to an alternate play. If u actually watch stanford games you will no doubt see andrew motioning at the line of scrimmage what looks like some sort of egyptian dance move where he jolts both hands outwards. This is his kill call. He is killing the original play called and instructing the offense on another. Probably why you see a lot of screens and check downs from him, he’s killing a possible downfield pass and most likely choosing a more high percentage type play based on the defense shown. Now Idk about you but that is very peyton manning esk and I don’t know of a whole lot of college qb’s with that type of knowledge and savvy to have that much control over their offense and in the sophmore year of experience… Luck is the reason why Stanford is 8-1 and the reason why many Stanford fans were not too weary after losing heisman runner up toby gerhart to the nfl after last season. Aside from his leadership and command, luck can make any throw on the field and with an incredible accuracy, is rarely ever sacked because of how he moves around in the pocket and knowing when to take off and scramble(he has a great offensive line too). Feeling luck will be a successful nfl quarterback is about as certain that I have ever felt about any one college player heading into the next level…
Just returned from the Stanford-Arizona game
Luck looked very good directing the offense. Moved very well around the pocket, made good decisions, and threw accurately. Arizona’s defense is highly rated. Stanford’s receivers lack speed with the exception of Owusu. I think Luck floats the ball to Owusu on deep throws because the 6’2" Owusu is good at coming down with it.
I’m not sure if Luck is the best QB since different people have different criteria, but Luck is surely the most NFL-ready.
Arizona's defense is not that good they gave up a ton of points to OIowa and they don't have a high powered offense.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Their defensive line is very good
They actually got pressure on Andrew Luck
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Nov 7, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Arizona's defense as a whole is not that good. Why make things up to pump up luck. Jeebus.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Ryan Mallet is REALLY impressive
Even moreso than Luck, imo, though Luck looks like the real deal, too.
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