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Official NFL Draft Thread 11/07/10 [NEW]
by Drew Kerr on Nov 7, 2010 9:36 PM PST
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PrintSo the results of the last poll are in and it seems like we have two more decisive selections for our draft priorities heading in to 2011. Of course several things could change in between now and then but as of now things seem pretty clear.
In the week before last week's poll, voters here on Niners Nation selected the quarterback position as the number one priority and the cornerback position as the number two priority. After I took those two positions away it appears that the next area of concern would be to get a very good pass-rushing linebacker. After that, it was decided that we would need to look at the defensive end position.
Since a majority of the votes went to these two positions, it would be interesting to see what players you all would feel would be good additions to the roster.
Below, I have provided the percentages of each round of voting. After that, I will list top prospects from the list I created on October 8th. Since then, there has been some shifting on my board but I have not had a chance to update. Feel free to post your thoughts.
TWO WEEK'S AGO POLL RESULTS FOR QB AND CB
72% of you voted for quarterback
21% of you voted for cornerback
LAST WEEK'S POLL RESULTS FOR LINEBACKER AND DEFENSIVE END
40% of you voted for a pass rushing linebacker
27% of you voted for a 3-4 defensive end
Each week 2 more positions will be taken off the board.
Here is the current priority list according to the votes:
Quarterback #1
Cornerback #2
Linebacker #3
Defensive End #4
OUTSIDE LINEBACKERS
1. Robert Quinn -- North Carolina -- 6'5", 268 LBS
2. Jeremy Beal -- Oklahoma -- 6'3", 260 LBS
3. Sam Acho -- Texas -- 6'3", 260 LBS
4. Von Miller -- Texas A & M -- 6'2", 240 LBS
5. Cliff Mathews -- South Carolina -- 6'4", 260 LBS
6. Akeem Ayers -- UCLA -- 6'4", 255 LBS
7. Jack Crawford -- Penn State -- 6'5", 256 LBS
8. Kenny Rowe -- Oregon -- 6'3", 235 LBS
9. Ryan Kerrigan -- Perdue -- 6'4", 263 LBS
10. Mark Herzlich -- Boston College -- 6'4", 240 LBS
DEFENSIVE ENDS
1. Adrian Clayborn -- Iowa -- 6'3", 285 LBS
2. Cameron Heyward -- Ohio State -- 6'5", 288 LBS
3. Marcell Dareus -- Alabama -- 6'3", 306 LBS
4. Allen Bailey -- Miami -- 6'4", 288 LBS
5. Jared Crick -- Nebraska -- 6'5", 285 LBS
6. J.J. Watt -- Wisconsin -- 6'6" 285 LBS
7. Adrian Taylor -- Oklahoma -- 6'4", 303 LBS
8. Lawrence Marsh -- Florida -- 6'4", 290 LBS
9. Cameron Jordan -- California -- 6'4", 285 LBS
10. Pernell McPhee -- Mississippi State -- 6'4", 285 LBS
DEFENSIVE TACKLES (Including because some of these players could conceivably play 34DE)
1. Marvin Austin -- North Carolina -- 6'3", 305 LBS
2. Stephen Paea -- Oregon State -- 6'1", 311 LBS
3. Jerrell Powe -- Mississippi -- 6'2", 328 LBS
4. Jarvis Jenkins -- Clemson -- 6'4", 310 LBS
5. Kendrick Ellis -- Hampton -- 6'5", 340 LBS
Note: This will be the last poll that I will be attaching. Even though there are 7 rounds I will only be posting 6 positions. Obviously there could be multiple players selected at a specific position.
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No... but I will add that. Good catch.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Don't Count Your Pick's Before You Gott'em
Whoops…Don’t look now, but…After next week, the NFC West could have 3 teams at 4-5 and one at 3-6. That 3-6 team still has 4 divisional games even after week 10 vs. Rams!
I know, crazy I am!
Faithful always, then and now!
I was thinking the same thing when I watched Seattle and Arizona lose yesterday.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Jk… but def not worth a 1st rounder
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
He can be pretty good but it is going to take a year or two to develop him.
Best fit would be the Bengals because Palmer could still start while Mallett learns.
by manraj7 on Nov 8, 2010 5:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
really?
Luck is definitely tops, but Mallett is legit. Big, great arm, solid accuracy, seems to make good decisions most of the time. And he’s playing against top-flight defenses on a weekly basis. Mid-first, he’d be a good pickup. That said, there may be more value at other positions, and we definitely have needs (CB, pass rusher, WR) that can be addressed in Rd. 1.
mid first I'm on him like white on rice
With new CBA QB’s will be much more affordable. He has the physical tools, and while I know it’s not everything, it’s a start.
Don't worry
The Bengals will be glad to take him in the 1st round.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 9, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
Also Drew
I find it kind of odd that you were so high on Mallett about a year ago and yet so down on him this year when he’s a much better QB now.
Care to explain the complete 180?
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Nov 9, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
I never was completely sold on him...
And a year ago… besides Bradford, who else was there really?
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Locker?
Oh boy… here we go again.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
No you said what other decent QBs were there
I said Locker. Locker was supposed to be a better prospect than Clausen and McCoy.
Comparing him to Rivers, i think it was, not sold on him? Mechanically speaking that is a comparison that no one should pass on.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Cliff Mathews
If he is anywhere near as good as his brother is, then we should scoop him up. He does comes from a family of NFL players.
You are thinking of Casey Mathews for Oregon
and yeah he is good… I actually need to add him to my list but have not been able to update
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUz2o2a_OXA
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Cliff is good also but no relation
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
wide reciever is higher the linbacker
we need higher competition level. nobody is challenging crabs, joshy drops many balls and his blocking has been lackluster this year
I'm going to vote kicker
Kai Forbath, the guy from ucla, is awesome.
by manraj7 on Nov 8, 2010 5:43 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Here are his stats
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/stats?playerId=187955
I can’t find his kickoff stats
Yeah, thats who I voted for.
Nedney is still pretty good, but, we need to grab his replacement here soon, and start getting him ready to take over.
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Absolutely love Forbath; but there is a problem ...
He might not last until the 4th round; could be even a 3rd rounder.
IF he lasts until the fourth, I’d take him with one of our two 4th-round picks, even though we have other needs. Why? This is a guy who could dominate his position for at least 15 years.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Nov 8, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
3rd round?
it would surprise me, but it’s not like i’ve never been surprised during the NFL draft.
personally, i’ve thought of Kai Forbath as a 5th round pick for a while now. higher than that, the positional value is terrible.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I'd never give a 3rd for a kicker
unless they hadn’t missed a FG, like, EVER
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
consistency
you don’t want to sweat a 42 yarder FTW
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
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i love that episode.
“Are you thinking what I’m thinking?”
“Yeah…maybe the robot can be programmed to come up with movie ideas!”
“Presicely.”
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Center/Guard
Baas is playing well, but there’s no one else to step up and play better, plus he’s a FA after this year. Heitmann should return next year and be a stop gap for a new guy. Plus, I think Rachal stinks.
After that, I’d be inclined to agree with manraj above and vote kicker. Ned is getting pretty old. Still reliable, but he’s getting up there.
I really hope Baas gets an extension.
He’s quickly becoming the most indispensable part of the line.
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Right now, he'd be priority #1 out of all our FAs
With Lawson a very close second. Funny how the entire offseason I didn’t think either of them would be back after this season, with Manny not worth the price and Baas leaving for a better contract offer, but now they’re the two highest priorities we have to re-sign.
I don't think Baas will be all that expensive...
but Manny could get pricey. Here’s the thing, Baas would walk for a team that has OL trouble and he could potentially win a starting gig without much trouble. That team would likely pay him nicely. However, if we sign him to be our starting center, I think he’d return for a modest price. Problem with that is where it leaves Heitmann, though he’d be an infinitely better swing C/G than Wragge.
As for Manny, a team that’s making a change to 3-4 or is trying to find pieces that will fit in will pay him handsomly. Just look at how Antrel Rolle was paid and I think he’s a bit over-rated. That’s the problem we face with signing Manny.
As for Manny, a team that’s making a change to 3-4 or is trying to find pieces that will fit in will pay him handsomly.
actually, i think Manny would be a much better fit in a 4-3 defense than a 3-4. pass rush is the only weak part of his game, and it’s also the #1 job of a 3-4 OLB.
i think Manny could be a probowl OLB for a 4-3 team.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Good point ..
Hmm trade Manny for a 3rd and a 5th (?) next year and a young prospect (at OLB or even another position) and plan on starting Brooks for next year? What d you guys think, just tossing a wild idea out there.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 8, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
can't trade manny.
his contract is up after this season.
i get the sinking feeling we will lose manny in FA and get nothing but a 2012 comp pick for him.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Give up?
He is a free agent. We are giving him up for nothing if we don’t resign him. And if we do, he can’t be traded next year anyways. What team would give up anything for a guy they could get in a couple months for money if they just waited.
Trade deadline has passed, anyways
so we can’t trade him for anything.
He’s been stellar this year, and he was our sack leader last year. I don’t understand why we wouldn’t try VERY hard to resign him.
If we're drafting Top-5 (no way we're #1):
1) Patrick Peterson CB LSU 2) Best DE/DT available 3) Owen Marecic FB/LB Stanford 4a) Kai Forbath K UCLA 4b) Kellen Moore QB Boise State 5) Best OLB available 6) BPA 7) BPA
Dunno man
We’ve sold out every home game since what, the 80s? How do we expect to pay a high 1st rounder if we can’t pay our existing vets?
If we're drafting Top-5 (no way we're #1):
1) Patrick Peterson CB LSU 2) Best DE/DT available 3) Owen Marecic FB/LB Stanford 4a) Kai Forbath K UCLA 4b) Kellen Moore QB Boise State 5) Best OLB available 6) BPA 7) BPA
CBA will make high first rounder cheaper
We have the money to sign him, or whomever we want. The catch is, is a guy that has struggled since he entered the NFL, with one decent year, deserved of a BIG contract extension, when we are entering a possible lock out year, with a new CBA coming that could make it much more affordable to sign vets.
He's in his second consecutive solid or better season
I still say sign him, he’s worth it. We are not deep in outstanding all-around OLBs.
If we're drafting Top-5 (no way we're #1):
1) Patrick Peterson CB LSU 2) Best DE/DT available 3) Owen Marecic FB/LB Stanford 4a) Kai Forbath K UCLA 4b) Kellen Moore QB Boise State 5) Best OLB available 6) BPA 7) BPA
We get a comp pick if he walks
But, that isn’t until 2012 and it depends on how much production we lose. Thus, if we draft a stud rookie OLB that puts up better numbers, we get nothing. Now, I wouldn’t complain about it, but then we lost that pick which could have been used on another primary need (QB, CB, DE, S, C/G).
by 9thevolution on Nov 10, 2010 7:53 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
It’s not what are stats are vs what we use. It’s based on his contract and playing time I think. Doesn’t matter if we get a stud OLB or not.
You're right. It's from Wiki so take it with a grain of salt...
“These picks, known as “compensatory picks,” are awarded to teams that have lost more qualifying free agents than they gained the previous year in free agency. Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player’s salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor."
Getting a rookie wouldn’t effect us at all.
by 9thevolution on Nov 10, 2010 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
Didn't bother to look
It’s wiki so even with a source listed I still don’t fully trust it. It was just the first page that popped up in a search.
by 9thevolution on Nov 10, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
It is correct.
It doesn’t matter what we get to fill in, but it definitely has to do with playing time, salary, etc…
Nobody knows the exact formula, but I know last year someone posted to a site of a guy that is the closest anyone else has gotten to picking comp picks correctly.
disagree
3-4 ends are asked to cover and to play the run more than 4-3 DEs, and as the game against Oakland showed, Manny has some serious coverage skills.
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I think he'd be a good 4-3 OLB
and he’s a pretty good 3-4 OLB. He’s not the biggest guy in pass rush but he can get it done at times.
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Nitwitter
He'd be a good to very good 4-3 OLB, but a below average 4-3 DE
I misread the OP.
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Agree
His skill set seems to best fit a 4-3 OLB. I do think his pass rushing looks better this year though.
added size + contract year
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
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True
But what’s to say he’s going to lose that size after this year? Or what’s to say that some better positional coaches can’t get even more out of him? I would say the franchise or transition tag are options after this year, but he would likely sit out of camp and look how that turned out for Franklin.
no, I agree
if he keeps it up they have to try and lock him up…unless he’s a punk biznitch and wants top$$$$ then we have no choice but to watch him walk.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
That's what happened with Calvin Pace...
the Cards wanted to keep him, but the Jets snapped him up. He’s played pretty well for them.
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this is what I fear:
SF: Manny, we love you, here’s 4 million per
ML: Nah, I think I can get 6-7
SF: We’ll do 5 Manny
ML: Someone will pay me more
and someone indeed will.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
That's exactly what will happen
With the transition to 3-4 becoming the favorite base defensive scheme, a team will pay big money for Lawson because he’s versatile enough to do all that is asked. He may not be an outstanding pass rusher, but he’s good enough to warrant that type of contract from say, the Bills, who have a former 1st rounder from last year sitting on the bench.
by 9thevolution on Nov 10, 2010 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I've seen Maybin play a couple of times
He’s ridiculously fast but basically runs around like a chicken with his head cut off. I’d offer them a 4th rounder to take him off their hands. Too bad we can’t do a sign and trade like in the NBA!
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we also didn't perhaps expect VD to get inked this soon
and we were thinking perhaps Dashon got a deal done if he played elite-level…
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This is why Manny should actually be in consideration for a new contract.
He is our best OLB and from the way it’s looking, he’s been under-rated in his pass rush ability. I think it’s there, but for some reason, we just haven’t seen it.
by 9thevolution on Nov 8, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
it's his bull rush that's usually lacking
cause he’s lean. He bulked up this year and when his speed rush is working he’s pretty good. I’ll have to rewatch his sacks/hits in the Den game or any others I can find
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
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water ski?
Who started to talk about Aaron Rodgers (and his size 16 feet)?
Seriously, do you have examples?
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Its what Warren Sapp calls it on NFL Network
Its hard to describe it but it looks like a guy watersking.
I don't think he does
That’s something that has to be worked on but I think it could be taught. What we need is better coaches.
by 9thevolution on Nov 8, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
True
But those late round guys aren’t as physically capable as a first rounder.
by 9thevolution on Nov 8, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Some are
Woodley was an UDFA and don’t need to be a 250 and run a 4.3. And a lot of the UDFA are players that have athletic ability but they are just raw.
Lamar Woodley?????
Ummm, second round pick in ’07.
While you don’t have to be incredibly athletically gifted, it is a help, and the earlier they get drafted, the more ready they are on day 1 from experience.
by 9thevolution on Nov 8, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Few and far between.
Don’t think for one second it’s the norm.
For every UDFA that makes it as a pass rusher, there are a TON of first rounders. I’d be willing to be most dominant pash rushers were drafted, and drafted early.
Yeah
Even Brooks, who was supposed to our beast pass rusher this year, was a third round pick. Might be supplemental, but someone decided he was worth a third rounder.
by 9thevolution on Nov 10, 2010 7:58 AM PST up reply actions
I think none of our pass rushers have any moves besides speed and bull
correct me if i’m wrong
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
it's the rip
or the swim?
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
Manny's rushing problem...
is that he’s a little to tall and lean to turn the corner effectively, and he’s not a bull rusher. But he is fast and long, so it’s more about blitzing him effectively than letting him go 1v1 and expecting him to beat tackles on a regular basis on a 4-man rush.
Add to that PH on the other side (basically a slower shorter version of Manny), and we have no pass rush. Robert Quinn can change that. Adrien Clayborn can change that. Justin Smith won’t be any younger next year.
If we can’t get top-3 QB or CB, we should look to DE/OLB… unless we can get Green at WR.
I want to see them give him a super-wide split (Manny)
let him line up in like a 9 tech, way outside the tackle and get the first step on him then blow up his outside shoulder with a rip
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
Why would you want another first round WR is my question?
We have no need for another first round WR, what we need is a top notch QB to get the ball to the guys who can catch, Carbs and Ziggy.
Carbs...haha
dual 4-barrel Carbs on my Chevy 350
Seriously if Ziggy and Williams aren’t given a legit shot to see the field end of this year or early next I’ll be pissed. And don’t tell me because they haven’t yet means the coaches don’t see enough in them..OUR coaches?!? Seriously?! What makes us think THEY know what they are doing?!?
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
I know the coaches don't know what they're doing
Ziggy runs good routes, catches everything near him and is a large target. Why shouldn’t he be #2, or even #1? Crabs is supposed to be able to move around to cause mismatches, but I haven’t seen it happen much. Morgan holds down his spot because he can block, but I’d prefer that my WRs, you know…….. catch the ball.
Simple as this, Ziggy is #2 if you go 3 WRs and Morgan is #3 if you need a blocker out there in the open field. In our 2 WR sets, especially if we’re passing, Ziggy should be the guy.
by 9thevolution on Nov 10, 2010 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
#2/#3/#4 don't matter:
it’s whether the personnel match the play call. I get that there’s some misdirection in there if you’re running with, say, Ginn in the game, but I’d rather have a guy who can execute the particular play call.
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No matter how you look at it...
Ziggy is hands down our second best pure receiver.
by 9thevolution on Nov 10, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Ok guys
so lets assume that we make the playoffs. This means that we do not get a shot at the top 2 QBs, Luck and Locker, and the top two CB, Prince and Peterson. Do we select a DE or BPA in DE, OLB, QB, CB.
I thought that this year's CB class is the strongest in something like 5 years.
So wouldn’t that mean the Niners would be best served by going Best Cornerback Available?
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I was thinking that we could select a DE in the first because they have some potential superstars in this class
and because its a deep class of CB we can draft a CB in the 2nd round
Where does that leave us for a QB?
71% of us would be dissatisfied under such a scenario. Are you thinking VIck?
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I was actually hoping that T.Smith would play the rest of the season liked he played against the Broncos
So it wouldn’t be a worry anymore
still need better options
and it would be putting all our eggs in one basket again, one that’s really unproven even after half-season of success.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
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a new coach, if it comes to that, will cut Alex or not re-sign him
he’s so many regimes ago and is tied to some bad memories
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
you like to sing?
cool, let’s start a band.
where’s drummer?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I can play Qatar
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
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by Tre9er on Nov 9, 2010 6:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed, Alex needs to go...
I can’t imagine a scenario in which Alex would be back. Think about it:
Scenario 1: (most likely)
Troy Smith keeps the starting job because the team wins with him at QB.
Fallout: Singletary retains his job and comes back in the fall with Troy as the starter and with the team having drafted a QB to groom for the future.
Scenario 2: (next most likely)
Troy Smith plays next game, but plays poorly and the Niners lose, triggering a change at QB. Alex Smith comes in and plays to the level he did in the 1st half, and the Niners miss the playoffs.
Fallout: Singletary loses his job and the Niners cut ties with Alex, too.
Scenario 3: (next most likely)
Troy Smith plays the next game, plays poorly but the Niners win.
Fallout: Alex Smith doesn’t come back in because the team is winning. Singletary retains his job, but Alex is ditched.
Scenario 4: (highly unlikely)
Troy Smith plays the next game, plays poorly, the Niners lose, and Alex Smith comes back in and absolutely lights it up.
Fallout: Singletary retains his job…and the team trades Alex Smith for a 5th round draft pick (just as Jason Campbell was traded).
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i like the scenario
where either troy smith or nate davis are playing and we never see alex in our uniform again
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 8, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
I'm rooting for Scenario 2 because ... SING MUST GO!!
We will NEVER succeed with Mike Singletary as the head coach. I know that this is not the popular position, but I just don’t believe that he will EVER be a successful NFL HC. But, let me clarify, I love the guy as a human being, and have great respect for his beliefs, character and work ethic. Just don’t believe that he has the smarts to be a competent HC. Great motivator? Yes. Great HC? Sorry, no.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Nov 8, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
the HC *must* do more than manage
The HC should be able to take over either the defense or the offense and should have a vision for the kinds of adjustments that need to be made in-game and week-to-week. This is Singletary’s weakest area as a Head Coach.
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I don't remember who
but someone said that a leader needs to surround himself with people who cover his weakness. or something a long those lines.
suggestion
Possible scenario # 5: Troy Smith plays well, keeps the starting job. Alex Smith and David Carr get jettisoned in the offseason, with Nate Davis taking over the #2 role and we draft a QB to be #3. Mike Singletary gets demoted to LB coach or assistant LB coach (more where he belongs). Maybe a fantasy, but it make sense to me (at least right now). Comments??
i can't think of a precedent for that.
has a team ever relieved their head coach of his coaching duties but tried to keep him around as a position coach?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Nov 10, 2010 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
not that I can remember
and Sing has shown he has too much pride for that. I think he’ll take a year off or start looking for a coaching job in the college ranks.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
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Exactly
I could see him as a pretty decent college coach. 90% of being a successful college coach is recruiting since there is less parity in College. A talented team will do well, and I think young kids would follow him like a dodo bird off a cliff.
I agree
I think Sing makes everyone of those players a better person. And in College, when 90% of some number that’s higher than anybody realizes don’t actually play in NFL, being a better person is better than a better player.
That'd be fine
but there’s no way any head coach that had any self-respect would take that kind of demotion.
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Your Nate Davis as #2 QB makes this an absolute fantasy
We get new HC next year, that means a new playbook which Davis can’t learn in one year Thus, he’s jettisoned along with Carr. If anyone believes a coach wants a dyslexic QB who they have to hold their hand to teach tham the playbook, they’re fooling themselves. Davis hasn’t proven anything other than he can throw 60 yards while scrambling, and that doesn’t make a good QB.
by 9thevolution on Nov 10, 2010 8:09 AM PST up reply actions
dont knock him for that
its more of sing then his learning abilities.
nate davis can play
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 10, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
so you were hoping he'd suck for 3 quarters...
and then throw up balls for grabs in the 4th?
(actually, as long as those Hail Mary throws were caught and the Niners would win, I wouldn’t care either)
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I sure's heck am
but we don’t win competitions for FA’s
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Absolutely BPA at a need position
I’d accept a slight reach if they feel the need to do it. However, I’d probably take DE and QB off the list unless another one of the QBs’ stock skyrockets. OLB and CB should be the positions we look at if we draft late.
3rd best CB
6’2" as well
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love that size
There are a couple of bigger CBs this year it seems to me.
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Peterson is a returner too though
depending on how long the Ginn experiment lasts, or how Kyle comes along…would be good value.
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Lots of rookies return
Spiller, Dez…an option, backup at least. He’s been starting and returning punts as it is…not like he’s not used to it
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Some people are meant to be ST players
there are 22 starters and 53 people on the roster. Use everything you got.
Absolutely
Sure Dez Bryant looks great returning kicks out there, but what happens when he breaks his leg? I’d rather not take the chance, plus I have faith in Kyle Williams out there shagging punts next year.
Bush is a very good kick/punt returner
but a gimmick player on offense. The fact that he doesn’t really have a defined position isn’t a virtue in my eyes.
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meant to show how much the saint faltered without Bush
He is a somewhat large part of their offense and he broke his leg and the saints faltered.
Saints problems go beyond Bush
They miss Pierre Thomas waaay more than Bush.
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I don't want my first round corner shagging punts
His only job is to shut down receivers and intercept passes. Because if he gets hurt, we’re screwed once again. If we take Peterson in the first round, I hope he never takes another punt return.
I know
look at D.Jax, Dez, Spiller…guys do it who are otherwise superstars at a full-time position.
Just sayin if Ginn goes down or leaves and Williams doesn’t develop or get’s injured…
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Spiller only returns kicks and punts
and the Cowboys have a great WR corp. I just don’t feel right having the future of secondary in unnecessary harms way.
I know it's possible
And if it works then that’s great, but I’m still skeptical of using a guy like that. If it’s an emergency, then it can’t be helped, but I’d rather have that guy protected a little bit.
And personally, I only feel like Bryant is doing it because Williams has actually been looking pretty good this year.
2nd/3rd string
we’d be looking at Williams/Ginn/Peterson in this case
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I'd be ok with that unless someone else proves they're adequate or better who isn't starting
For example, if Adams sticks around and is looking good at shagging punts, I’d leave Peterson as the last possible scenario.
Clayborn in the early teens
otherwise probably Dowling and then look for Ricky Stanzi in the 3rd (yeah, he could be that early…look up his numbers and read about intangibles too)
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What were these character issues
I don’t remember him falling because of those, rather just not being as good as Bradford and not being named Tim Tebow.
supposedly punched a guy in a bar
and supposedly was a jerk at times
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Punched a guy in a bar?
Being a jerk when he was a freshman.. He was voted team captain by his team mates. I don’t believe that’s enough for a player to go from top10 to 50 today. I believe he was not good enough in the eyes of the other teams, which is not saying hes bad because it was a deeeee—eeep draft, some Mays guy went 49 i recall.
just sayin those were the "knocks"
but yeah…I thought he was worthy of the spot he went at, easily
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I don't recall him having character issues.
Locker is struggling bad this year. Unless a team has a Raiders-esque mancrush on him, or he turns his season around, I predict he’ll tumble to late 1st – early 2nd.
Really?
Vikings, 49ers, Cardinals (maybe), Panthers (maybe)? Who else?
Seahawks have Clipboard Jesus.
Cardinals like Max Hall and Derek Anderson is the stopgap, me thinks.
Panthers drafted Clausen and Pike last year.
Bills have Fitzpatrick, who’s been stellar this year and who’s proven that QB is not the issue on their team.
Vikings have Tavaris Jackson, but I bet they’ll draft a guy #2 or #3.
That seems like less than usual. Am I missing anything here?
Yep
I see ten teams max that need a QB who can potentially challenge for a job in the future. Of those teams, only 3-4 need QBs immediately. The 49ers, Vikings, Bills, ‘Skins and Jags are the only ones I’d consider as taking a QB top priority. The other teams with question marks aren’t going to jump ship and grab a first rounder immediately. With the ’Skins and Jags doing well, that leaves only three teams at the top of the list right now, one of which being us.
Depending on how the Bills go and the way the rest of the season plays out, we could have a shot at the top QB without even getting #1 overall.
Skins
are probably near the top of that list…based on how McNabb’s being done there, I gotta think Shanahan is making his point
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Absolutely
But the ‘Skins are winning games, and they’ll continue to win some unless Shanny sabotages them and benches McNabb for Grossman.
I meant on a regular basis
but yes, he really only has to do it at the end of the game in order for him to cost them the game.
I would omit Hawks and Cards
I understand it’s worst case, but my reasoning is this.
Cards – Just picked up two rookies, one of which is a draft pick who was projected to be able to play at an NFL level. They like Hall, but he’s an undrafted rookie with no mentor. I think they stick with them for now. Reason for going back to Anderson is that the West isn’t exactly their’s for the taking and Anderson is more experienced, despite how bad he is.
Hawks – Plainly put, they spent a 2nd rounder on Jesus and he hasn’t had a chance to grow as a starter yet. Plus, Carroll will wait for Barkley, simply because he’s that kind of d-bag, who wants his college guy when he comes out. Remember, Barkley was specifically recruited by Carroll to USC, so I have to think he wants him when he goes pro.
barkley and luck declare this year
what are the chances of that happening?
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 9, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
Can NOT omit Cards
They need a QB big time. You are telling me they like Hall and are going to go with a guy that’s struggling, and is an Undrafted Rookie as the heir apparent to their QB position? Most important position on the team, and guy is struggling and undrafted, and you think they pass on a QB? NO WAY. Skelton is a project guy and I think went 5th rounder. They need a QB worse than we do.
As for Hawks. Clipboard Jesus showed he wasn’t the answer. They draft another.
Think Carroll waits for Barkley
It’ll only be another year. They’ll re-sign Hass with a short term contract and get Barkley. Maybe Carroll likes a guy this year, but I’m not so sure they don’t look to other positions and take a flyer on a QB later just to see what happens.
As for the Cards, you’re right and they shouldn’t rely on Hall or Skelton, but Whiz was the guy who was ready to start Leinart for two years over Warner. I don’t know that he really knows what he’s doing in regards to that position. He didn’t shoot for a vet while he had the chance, instead getting Anderson who is a bigger joke than Leinart.
And to say the Cards need a QB worse then us may be true, but at least they have a young guy they can look at and say this guy could be the future. We don’t even have that.
by 9thevolution on Nov 10, 2010 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
There is no guarantee Carroll get's Barkley next year
It’s like us saying we liked Luck or Locker last year, so we weren’t going to draft a QB until they came out so we can get them then. If you need a QB and you have the opportunity to grab one you take one. If they have a shot at Locker, FROM WASHINGTON mind you, they will grab him. Then if next year Barkley is around, and Carroll wants him, he takes him then. No way he passes Locker for a CHANCE to draft an unproven QB next year. Worst case he has two good QBs, and that’s a great position to be in.
That's true
Or maybe they want Alex Smith. They can have him. THey seem to like our castoffs.
by 9thevolution on Nov 10, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
if peyton does a lebron
indy will be in need
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 9, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Clausen fell because of character issues
and because he had a tendency to be a thrower more than a Quarterback. Golden Tate bailed Clausen out all the time at Notre Dame.
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well Tate is no Crabtree either yet
who helped who, is say both bailed each other enough to be 2nd rounders, and neither was good enough to make each other 1st rounders. Individually solid 3rd round picks :) . Naah I think both are good but raw players.
It's the shine of the Golden Dome that made people think they were worth 2nd-rounders.
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Apropos of nothing (other than the fact that this is a draft thread)
Scott Wright of NFLDraftCountdown.com (whose evaluations I’ve come to trust) wrote the following about Andrew Luck: “Might be the best since Peyton Manning. RT @yoshizumi: Where does Andrew Luck rank amongst the top QB prospects of the last couple years?”
It bears noting that Wright’s recent liked/lukewarm/hated list for QBs looked like this:
Liked: Matt Ryan, Stafford, Bradford
Lukewarm: Sanchez, Freeman
Hated: JRussell
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Doubt we have a shot at Luck
At this point, I’m focusing on what happens to the coaching staff after this year before we talk QB prospects. A new coaching staff might like a late round guy to groom and a veteran in front of him. New coach might like T. Smith as the future. Maybe they’ll bring back O’ Sullivan and we can all commit ritual suicide.
If the team would bring back JustTurnOvers...
I would drink the Kool-Aid…making sure to add a double dose of the cyanide.
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so shall the niners lose every game the rest of the season and hope the bills win three and the panters win two more
i dont think either will happen.
i also dont think anyone will trade the #1 pick.
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Nov 8, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Homer
but you can’t ignore Ricky Stanzi’s numbers this year. Here are some tweets (to explain the abbreviations) I had earlier:
Thru 9 gms Iowa Sr. QB Ricky Stanzi 68.3% completions, 2,212 yards with 20 touchdowns and just 3 interceptions.
Stanzi: prototypical pocket passer, excellent mechanics, 3-year starter well versed in pro style system accustomed to operating under center
Perhaps most impressive thing abt Stanzi are intangibles. Terrific leader, field general, very smart, high football IQ, outstanding work ethic & tough as the day is long
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Where's the next stop so I can jump on the bandwagon
by 9thevolution on Nov 8, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Not that strong an arm...
Seldom needs to make reads against unknown coverages…
Stanzi entered his senior campaign as a career 57.1% passer with 31 touchdowns and 25 interceptions…
The biggest concern with Stanzi is his upside, or lack thereof…
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didn't play Nebraska:
Notable games were:
cmp att yds comp% lg tds int
@ Michigan 17 24 248 70.8 34 3 0
vs. Wisconsin 25 37 258 67.6 45 3 0
vs. Michigan St 11 15 190 73.3 56 3 0
Impressive numbers. I haven’t seen him play. Best case scenario is that he’s a really late bloomer that can thrive behind a very strong offensive line.
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watched him last year lead a few game winning drives
including a TD pass to McNutt with 0:00 on the clock FTW. Kid has stones and wont pull Alex Smith crap…nice change of pace for the position in SF
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p9xT-7-UkU
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even last week
low scoring ugly game, made plays when needed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS74L189Trs
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you don't want a QB making reads against unknown coverages in the NFL eitehr
the point is he’d have to learn coverages yes…but he has a LOT of the other items you have on your shopping list. Every player has to learn something.
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Hire Steve Young to teach him how to play
I actually like MJ as our OC now and it would be nice if he could stick around under a good offensive HC and learn some things. However, I want some of the best coaching these young guys and teaching them how to do things right.
plus you can't deny this:
You can’t pass on a neck-beard like that
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that’s hawt.
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Has he even played a good defense this year?
Like I said on Twitter: He’s really not that good and if Iowa had a great quarterback, they could be national championship contenders.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Nov 8, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
the defense gave up the Arizona game, although Binns got them back in it with a pick 6
He would have to learn coverages…every QB has something to learn. Most college defenses don’t play tons of exotic zone blitzes, heck Iowa plays the base 4-3 95% of every game, even against 4 WR’s!
He’s a 4-5th round pick right now, possibly going as high as the 3rd if he keeps it up. If the cards fall that way (we win a hapless NFCW and have to pick 22nd or so) we’ll be hard pressed to find a prospect much better in the first round and would be passing on better prospects at other positions of need.
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It's nearly impossible
To project the middle of the 1st round if that is where the Niners end up. The obvious answer is to take BPA.
I still don’t think this team has any chance to finish 8-8, but to each his own. This is a 7-9 team at best and hopefully (although I don’t root for my team to lose) we finish somewhere below 6-10 in order to get a better draft choice.
I’ve been building my “big board” lately and there should be plenty of talent available from 1-10 in this draft. I also can’t begin to pick QB/WR in the draft until we know who the Offensive Coordinator is and what their scheme is going to be. For example, I’d personally rate Andrew Luck as the #1 QB for a West Coast offense, but I’d rate Ryan Mallett as the #1 QB for any vertical offense. I’d want Julio Jones for a West Coast offense, but would rather have A.J. Green for a vertical offense.
The same applies for 4-3 versus 3-4 teams. Marcell Dareus could go top 5 in the draft as a 3-4 DE, but wouldn’t as a 4-3 DT.
I’m still personally hoping for Patrick Peterson or Prince Amukamara. Either of those two would be a great addition to the core of this team for the next 5 years.
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I saw Peterson play a little Saturday
kid is not afraid to play the run either and he took on that play on the goal line and nearly kept homeboy out of the end zone. He’s physical and I like that. Plus he returns punts, in case we need someone say, better than Phil Adams doing it…
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What's there not to like.
Everyone likes him, and thats why he is consistently ranked 1st (or top5) in almost all big boards. Hard to hate the best CB prospect in years with a glaring hole at the position.
like Prince Amukamara or Ras I Dowling?
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Like R. W. McQuarters?
Good name doesn’t guarantee future success.
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No actually Patrick Peterson has a good ring to it in my opinion...
add a Jonathan Joseph from the Bengals on the otherside and you have a nice PP JJ tandem going with Shawntae Spencer completing the first-last-name-same-letter backfield.
Maybe Brian Brohm can play some DB
Bulaga might be stretching it a bit
TCU made a fool of that dude last week.
he allowed a 40-something yard completion, and then he messed up the tackle so bad it turned into a 90+ yard TD.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
So he will drop in the draft
and we can add him only for his name. He is though regarded as being a pretty decent prospect.
Janoris Jenkins.
let’s draft nothing but CBs this year.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
That would be three awesome prospects
Idd like to have each one on our team, but won’t sign on 3 on our first 3 picks, maybe on our first 5 :)
Battle of the 3-Round Mocks:
yeah, another one of these. this time i threw in a traded pick, just to shake thing up. as usual, we are assuming either scenario is possible.
Mock #1
1. CB Prince Amukamara
2. OLB Von Miller
3. DE Cameron Jordan
Mock #2
1. QB Andrew Luck
2. – pick traded moving up to get Andrew Luck –
3. CB Rashad Carmichael
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Not even close
- by a mile
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by youALREADYknow on Nov 8, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
Really, I’d easily give up just the Niners 2nd round pick to get the QB who some are saying is the best prospect at the position since Manning. And I’m a guy who still thinks Alex Smith can be a half-decent QB. (Luck could be one of the greats though.)
And yet he's not the best prospect since Manning
He’s not even the best QB prospect of the last two years and I’d say it’s a stretch to consider him a top 3 QB prospect in the last 5 years.
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by youALREADYknow on Nov 8, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
You can't possibly be serious! You're pullin' our leg!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Nov 8, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
While Ryan Leaf competed with Manning for 1st overall...
you don’t become Manning with college accolades, the only relevant question the niners need to think of if they have the opportunity to draft him is, is he a franchise QB, not how he compares to Manning or anyone else.
If they believe Luck is the answer and the only franchise guy in the draft I vote 2, however, I see 1 as a great one too, however would be content to trade or pick someone else, get Peterson in the first and move down in the second, Peterson, Cameron Jordan, BPA in third & call it a day.
number one
I don’t like losing picks unless I fully believe that the player I am trading up for is going to be awesome.
is anyone?
But you wouldn’t give a draft pick away for a chance to get Luck? Listen I know he isn’t a guarantee, but he is a good shot at it, and we need help big time. It’s no sure thing, I mean we give up a 2nd rounder, which we could use to get a Chilo Rachal, or a Kwame Harris. I mean, it’s not like the 2nd rounder is guaranteed to be a HUGE pick for us. I give away the 2nd rounder in a heart beat for luck.
Considering what it costs to get him
two firsts and a second. He is not worth that much too many flaws
I think people
Just follow the majority opinion blindly. They hear Luck is the greatest thing since sliced bread and automatically assume it’s so. Look deeper, with your actual eyes, and you don’t see a surefire #1 prospect on film. You see a young, intelligent prospect with high potential and a couple of major question marks.
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by youALREADYknow on Nov 9, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
Look deeper, with your actual eyes
Guess EVERY single pundit in the nation doesn’t have “eyes” good enough to tell good NFL potential talent when they see it and YOUR eyes are much, much better eh? Getouttahere!!
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I actually watch Luck a LOT. I think he is a sure fire #1 QB prospect. By far the best in college, and someone I would feel FANTASTIC with as our QBOTF. Does he make mistakes? Yes even NFL QBs do. But his grasp of offense, physical skills, talent, decision making, is by far the best I’ve seen coming out of college in a while. Bradford looked good, but had injury issues. Luck has less question marks than a lot of top QBs that came out. Look at what the Jet’s traded for Sancez, he was a walking question mark coming out of college. Luck is more sure-fire than a LOT of QBs coming out, and that have come out.
He looks better than Ryan when he came out, Freeman, Big Ben, etc….
For all this talk about first round QBs...
Do we believe we’ll have a coaching staff to successfully groom this guy? I’m all for Luck and think he’ll be a franchise QB, but we can’t have the same fiasco as we did with Smith where he has new coordinators and coaches every year. No matter how talented or smart the guy is, what Alex went through would likely cripple anyones development.
by 9thevolution on Nov 10, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
I'm of the thought process our HC on down needs to be replaced.
So I agree with you, and I also think we have a new HC next year, and he is going to want his guy.
guys I'd keep
Maybe Manusky if new HC can coax him into more pressure packages…Johnson, Tomsula, Solari, Brown
get rid of Everest, Lynn, Joseph, Singletary (both), Sullivan
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FAIL
Everest already gone…on the fence about SChottenheimer
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I still think Everest was a bad let go
I actually liked him. He just never had a returner. One bad decision shouldn’t have cost him his job. I mean look at Sing, he still has his.
Where did Everest go anyways? Steelers? I tend to think they know more than we do. So if they wanted him, I think we should have kept him.
steelers
yep…he had “personal” problems…then again so did McCloughan, or was it personnel problems?
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Personal problems as in hated ownership?
Thought the Niners were a rudderless ship? That’s my opinion. He probably stood up to York and out he goes.
it pisses me off that Sing bought into the obscurity approach
I feel like we have no idea what’s going on in the franchise…that sucks.
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I agree with all that except Manusky
I doubt he’s getting pressure from Sing to play a certain way. He just has a bad defensive scheme. Don’t know why we looked good last year with essentially the same team, but we’re really poor on defense this year.
And our 2 minute defense is atrocious. How do you let multiple teams march down the field in a matter of minutes and not do anything to correct it? Atlanta never should have been able to drive on us. And I don’t think for a second it’s entirely on our players, because the scheme dictates they don’t bump at the line and allow any underneath routes as long as it’s not a long pass. Prevent defense is killing us this year.
by 9thevolution on Nov 11, 2010 7:38 AM PST up reply actions
I get it: the college hype machine IS crazy...
but saying things like “look deeper, with your actual eyes” is a sure fire way to get flamed. Ironically, we more often become skeptical of the claims made by those most responsible for unreasonable hype (typically the announcers whose job it is to convince you that you’re seeing something special) when we hear words of caution coming from people whose job it is to actually evaluate the players in terms of how well they’ll play at the next level (people like Kiper and McShay are, of course, involved both in the hyping and the evaluating).
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I'd take the QB
but I’d also be active in trading for a CB with some tread left (under 30) who’s played man coverage well over the years.
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unless a QB in FA (Vick) is had first.
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just a 2nd round pick for luck
add that a 1st round pick in 2012
That team would also get our first round pick from this year
So, swap first rounders (assuming it’s a top 5-10) and kick in the second rounder.
think you still need more
unless you’re chancing it and waiting until pick 3, hoping a top team doesn’t take him
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I know this has nothing to do with the draft
but woodhead from the Patriots reminds me of Mighty Mouse.
i just heard on the radio
Cam Newton got busted for handing in an assignment he bought off the internet.
hear that sound? it’s his draft stock falling.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
found a link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5783051
apparently this happened a couple years ago, and more than just once.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Undrafted? Unlikely!
He’s such a talent that he’ll get drafted. He may not be a great pro quarterback prospect (since relatively few running QBs have had success in the pros), but because he’s a quarterback at all, someone will take a swing at him. Remember that this is mostly about money, not about addiction or PEDs or large-scale criminal activity.
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who's the last guy like Newton who was successful at the NFL level?
Big QB who likes to run and has some issues…
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I disliked him at first
when he only seemed to run, which set up easy passes. The last few weeks though he has been passing first and foremost (When he wasn’t receiving for a TD) and his throwing has been looking pretty good. There’s more Culpepper than Vick in his game in my opinion, and really wouldn’t mind a 3+ rounder on him, if the staff believes he can be taught into a pro style QB, he has the talent and intangibles (Who cares if a football player buys his essays, he’ll never need to write them anytime again).
Culpepper was nothing without Randy Moss.
if Cam Newton is the new Daunte Culpepper, i want him even less.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Culpepper was a decent stats QB...
but a horrible game QB. Moss did need someone to throw him the ball downfield (someone with a big arm), and someone who could brush off arm tackles from D-Linemen, but you’re right: Moss made Culpepper who he was.
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Big Ben? LOL.
I am totally just off the top of my head here, but I thought Freeman had issues in school and that’s why he went to Kansas State vs a larger school.
He is lazy both on and off the field...
Said once, said it before… Jamarcus Jr.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
5+ rounders don't have the luxury of being Jamarcuses
Jamarcus had 30+ million reasons not to do anything, Newton and other late rounders have the same 30+ million reasons to do something, money is a motivator like it or not.
well, he DOES have that going for him
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He has other things going for him also
Prime candidate for Heisman because he is a talented player and athlete, can throw bombs, scramble for yards and even be a threat receiving, JaMarcus checks 1/3 in those categories, JaMarcus probably couldn’t even finish a forty yard dash…
Newton also has winning going for him… he is actually like our starting QB, maybe lacking his work ethic, but having 6inches, tons of strength, and much more potential going for him.
You've said that once or thrice...
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
but who's counting
(Drew is)
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People are saying Luck is awesome like 214984721987 times per topic
so I should throw in my man crush on Moore.
wow, you weren't joking about 'small man'
6’0", 187 lbs?
That’s tiny for a QB.
I haven’t watched enough of Boise State to have any kind of evaluation, but between their relatively light schedule and their very college spread-y offense, I’m guessing he’s not picked by many to be a success in the pros.
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Nope hes supposed to go mid-late round
I think he should be a 2nd or third round QB. He has a good arm and is really accurate. He just needs to bulk up a bit which is good because its not super difficult to put on weight.
Plus
most of the NCAA analysts say that if they were down by 4 with 2 minutes to go they would be Moore to QB instead of any other NCAA QB.
My gut reaction historical comparison?
Somewhere between Colt Brennan and Colt McCoy: both undersized spread college quarterbacks who threw up ridiculous yards and completed a high percentage and were highly successful. Vick and Brees have shown that shorter QBs can be successful in the NFL — if they have unique skills (Vick’s speed and Brees’ accuracy).
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Moore is crazy accurate and great decision making
Against Hawaii I saw 3 passes that were overthrown out of 37 attempts. His completion percentage is
2008 69.4% for 8.61 YPA
2009 64.3% for 8.20 YPA
2010 71.8% for 10.98 YPA
Also note that he threw 21 TD this year but he has been taken out early every game because his team has been dominating the other team.
OK, so here's your comp:
Brennan’s numbers at Hawaii:
2005 68.0% for 8.35 YPA
2006 72.6% for 9.93 YPA and 58 TDs (!)
2007 70.4% for 8.52 YPA
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that's why I'm skeptical of Moore
Not that Moore’s not a clutch college QB, but…
Brennan was a 6th rounder and is now unemployed.
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I watched a video on Brennan and he doesn't look super good
and his throwing motion is weird. Moore looks a lot better than him.
He's a free agent
I’m not sure why, either. It looks like he got some reps in preseason in 08 , during which he posted excellent stats (36/53 411 yds 3 TD 0 INT, 67.9% comp), then ended up hurt somehow, got put on IR, then cut. He signed with the Raiders this offseason but they cut him too.
That’s a shame. =/
If we're drafting Top-5 (no way we're #1):
1) Patrick Peterson CB LSU 2) Best DE/DT available 3) Owen Marecic FB/LB Stanford 4a) Kai Forbath K UCLA 4b) Kellen Moore QB Boise State 5) Best OLB available 6) BPA 7) BPA
typical Spread QB
second coming of Alex Smith by a team who didn’t draft him too high and didn’t start him too early…ok, he’s worse than Smith but you get the idea
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Brennan and Moore your comparing those two really?
If you watch Hawaii football they run the spread offence and throw 9 times out of 10. Any QB can do good in a spread style offence. Moore plays more of a pro style offence that kind of runs like a WCO. Short passes moderate gains. Like Joe Montana. Guy was not built like a QB. Small legs didnt have a great arm ect. But he was accurate and can dissect a Defense. I like Kellen Moore and I think the Niners should pick him up in the Second round if he is there. On Luck.. Well lets say this if you want to spend 80mil to develop a QB that has one of the Best O-line in the country and you bring him to our Oline. I Hope he learns quick. I will prefer either a CB a shut down one like Peterson or Amukumara. Or a pass rusher because a good pass rush can make you DB’s looks good because they dont give the QB enough time to throw.
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by Waseem Wahid on Nov 11, 2010 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Moore runs a pro-style offense?
I defy you to explain how Boise State’s offense is so much more like a pro-style WCO and so much less like Hawaii’s spread. The hallmark of the WCO was that the QB was under center and took precise 3, 5, and 7-step drops, and threw the ball based on the timing of those drops. Moore is very accurate, and I wouldn’t rule out the idea that he can be a successful pro. That’s why, if you read my earlier comment, I suggested he’s somewhere between Colt Brennan and Colt McCoy. You obviously think he’s more like the latter, and that’s fine—I just cited the statistics because Manraj had thrown up Moore’s numbers, and I wanted to make the point that numbers don’t tell the whole story. I’m open to the idea of Moore as a future Niner, but I’d like to see him demonstrate his abilities in a few situations more analogous to the pro-style situations he’d face in San Fran (the Senior Bowl, for example)
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If you watch Hawaii football they run the spread offence and throw 9 times out of 10.
It’s actually a form of Run-and-Shoot offense. All the WR’s do a quick scan of the defense and run an appropriate route, or they run a route mid-play. The QB then reacts accordingly. During any one play, a WR will have about 3 different routes he can chose from according to what the defense looks like and how the DBs are playing against him. The QB then has to scan the field for an open target. So the QB doesn’t really know what routes his receivers run. While in a spread offense there is really only one target, all other skill players are just clearing out defenders.
So QBs in Run-and-Shoot actually make reads (still nothing like the NFL level mind you) that Spread QBs simply aren’t asked to do.
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by Hoopers Judge on Nov 12, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
On the radio this morning
they discussed Moore a bit. They pointed out that he put up ridiculous stats against Virginia Tech (iirc) who ended up being the ACC champ which gives him a bit of credibility against the “easy schedule” argument, which is otherwise pretty true. He’s a Heisman front-runner this year, too, and if Boise State continues their run of dominance they may end up in the national championship.
I feel like QBs from smaller schools just get written off and never really get golden opportunities to succeed, even when they are awesome in college. Yeah, the college game is different, but these guys become prolific because they have skills, they just need some refining. I’m a big fan of Moore and I want to see him succeed, and ESPECIALLY in red and gold! :P
If we're drafting Top-5 (no way we're #1):
1) Patrick Peterson CB LSU 2) Best DE/DT available 3) Owen Marecic FB/LB Stanford 4a) Kai Forbath K UCLA 4b) Kellen Moore QB Boise State 5) Best OLB available 6) BPA 7) BPA
6'0" 187 lbs.
that’s almost exactly fran tarkenton’s size.
can kellen moore scramble at all?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
He's not a statue
but not a true scrambler like Jake Locker is. He definitely does well buying time with his legs but he rarely takes off with it.
If we're drafting Top-5 (no way we're #1):
1) Patrick Peterson CB LSU 2) Best DE/DT available 3) Owen Marecic FB/LB Stanford 4a) Kai Forbath K UCLA 4b) Kellen Moore QB Boise State 5) Best OLB available 6) BPA 7) BPA
and do you really need to scramble
look at Manning have you seen him run its just looks so awkward that I look away. And weight can be put on for example I went from 130-145 in like 3 months.
im not sure you could say that about locker
he has been sacked 40 times in 2 years, and yes i know he has a horrendous O-line but thats too much.
wide splits by offensive lineman
multi-WR sets, usually 3+ WR’s, mostly shotgun and mostly a defined go-to-guy on each play (each play is designed to get a specific player open with mismatch/too many weapons to cover).
Now someone else can give a better, probably more accurate description
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“The spread offense begins with a no-huddle approach with the quarterback in the shotgun formation much of the time. The fundamental nature of the spread offense involves spreading the field horizontally using 3, 4, and even 5-receiver sets (some implementations of the spread also feature wide splits between the offensive linemen). The object of the spread offense is to open up multiple vertical seams for both the running and passing game to exploit, as the defense is forced to spread itself thin across the field (a “horizontal stretch”) to cover everyone."
http://www.ninersnation.com/2010/11/7/1800563/official-nfl-draft-thread-11-07-10-new
If we're drafting Top-5 (no way we're #1):
1) Patrick Peterson CB LSU 2) Best DE/DT available 3) Owen Marecic FB/LB Stanford 4a) Kai Forbath K UCLA 4b) Kellen Moore QB Boise State 5) Best OLB available 6) BPA 7) BPA
LINK FAIL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_offense
If we're drafting Top-5 (no way we're #1):
1) Patrick Peterson CB LSU 2) Best DE/DT available 3) Owen Marecic FB/LB Stanford 4a) Kai Forbath K UCLA 4b) Kellen Moore QB Boise State 5) Best OLB available 6) BPA 7) BPA
so pretty much what I said
ok, exactly what I said…
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
Not exactly what you said
and I was quoting from the link I provided which offers a ton more information.
If we're drafting Top-5 (no way we're #1):
1) Patrick Peterson CB LSU 2) Best DE/DT available 3) Owen Marecic FB/LB Stanford 4a) Kai Forbath K UCLA 4b) Kellen Moore QB Boise State 5) Best OLB available 6) BPA 7) BPA
fine, they paraphrased me
yeah, THEY paraphrased ME!
or not
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
Nitwitter
u trollin
=D
If we're drafting Top-5 (no way we're #1):
1) Patrick Peterson CB LSU 2) Best DE/DT available 3) Owen Marecic FB/LB Stanford 4a) Kai Forbath K UCLA 4b) Kellen Moore QB Boise State 5) Best OLB available 6) BPA 7) BPA
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QB thoughts
Last night , while watching Sportscenter, I caught a segment of the years first mock draft. Now, I realize most of us, including myself, don’t like or infact hate, Todd McShay, but I’m gonna roll with what he presented. He mocked the top 10 based on the season ending today, and it put the Niners at #4 overall.
For our first round pick, with Andrew Luck the only QB off the board, he had us selecting Peterson to bolster the secondary. Now, I won’t complain, and many others won’t as well, but we are now in need of a QBOTF with no other first round picks.
For the remainder of the first round, he highlighted briefly, that Locker would go #7 to the Vikings, despite his sub-par season, and Mallett, despite being a late first round prospect, would go #12 to the Jaguars.
Here we sit at #36 overall in the second round with only three QBs off the board (hypothetically). How do you address the QB position going forward? Do you take the 4th best QB at #36 even if it’s a reach because of our need? Or would you wait until a later round for a guy you have a man crush on?
Please post serious thoughts.
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For the record, I’d go after the 4th rated QB at #36 if he had franchise QB potential. Based on Drew K’s latest board, the next three QBs would be Kaepernick, Stanzi and Foles.
The only QB I have a thing for right now is Cousins out of Michigan State. He looks pretty good on the field, but I would place him as a career back up in the NFL and he would likely go undrafted. Drew has him rated as the 14th QB right now.
I would be ok with that
I would take Peterson over Locker and Mallett. if none of those three are remaining at 36 then skip the QBs and improve the rest of team mostly the defense. If you do not LOVE a QB don’t select him that last thing you want is a shiver of doubt when it comes to the QB.
OK, hypothetically....
You love this QB but he might be a bit of a reach at your selection; however, he might not last until the next round. You personally, do you reach because of our desperate need for an answer going forward, or do you risk it and potentially finish out the draft with no franchise QB waiting in the wings?
This is more or less the point I’m trying to make. You can take a QB in the third round, and if he doesn’t become a franchise QB, it’s not the end of the world, and it’s easy to make a move for someone better. When you take a 2nd round QB, especially early 2nd round, people are going to believe that he’s the answer going forward. Most notably in very recent memory is Henne, who was touted as the future and is now riding the bench. Miami fans are likely not too happy with him right now.
by 9thevolution on Nov 11, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Teams
Actually don’t rate by pick. A team won’t say, oh we have this QB as the 40th pick, and we are 36th so we can’t grab him yet. They rank by round, then rank based on who they prefer within that round. So if it’s the 3rd round, a QB has a 3rd round grade, and we need and want said QB, they will grab him no problem. What they won’t do is reach for 4th rounder in 3rd round. The other catch is, if there is 2nd round talent, they could possibly take him in 3rd round and probably would before any 3rd round talent.
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Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
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actually, to the left of what i did
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
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but they rate them diffrently in the first round
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
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tough one...
Stanzi wont go earlier than the 3rd I think, even if he continues to play well. He’s a great bargain there…a guy who probably doesn’t play the first year unless it’s after the bye and your current starter is really struggling. I really think though that if you give Stanzi a shot, let him know he’s the future at the position and he can start trying to earn playing time…he’ll be a good QB. He wont come out and light it up right away but for a 3rd or 4th round pick you wouldn’t expect that.
Foles, I don’t know if he’ll come out…he might now that the rest of the class looks pretty weak and he looks strong. Kaepernick, don’t know much about him to be honest. I don’t know if I take a 2nd round QB, honestly. If I can’t trade back up into the first and grab Locker or Mallet I think I wait until the 3rd and snag a guy there.
Where we pick we’ll have to know the possibilities and act accordingly BEFORE draft day. If we’re picking out of the top 3 we have to pursue a FA or traded QB unless we’re pretty sure we can trade up or down and get a top 2-3 guy in the draft. Of course, if Troy lights it up this year I wouldn’t feel bad about taking a 3rd round QB and giving him a year or two under Troy to develop. There’s not much pressure on us in that scenario, especially if Troy is winning.
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Good scenario
This is also considering though, that our current coaching staff gives Troy the shot to go out and play and the next staff likes him enough to bring him back on board. The other option is that Baalke and York decide prior to hiring a new HC that Troy would be a part of the roster he inherits and re-sign him immediately.
Alex likely hits FA and finds another team and a new coach goes into camp with T. Smith, Carr, Davis and a draftee. Carr would likely be jettisoned by the new coaches because he isn’t good, and Davis might not stick around due to his issues with learning the playbook. That leaves us with Smith and a draftee (we’ll say Stanzi, 3rd round) at the start of the season. Who do you get to fill that third spot (veteran or another draft pick) or do you let Carr stick around? I’m assuming Davis has no place with the new coaching staff.
by 9thevolution on Nov 11, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Poor Carr...good guy, really good guy
just has lost it…how can he go from such a high prospect in college to just…mush, now? I guess the best thing is that he’s kept a job in the NFL this long…if I were him I’d be glad I’m making high six-to-seven figures every year for the past 10 or so years.
Troy Smith is the MVP.............of the 4th Q of the Denver game.
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Partly spoiled by a bad O-Line in Houston
and partly a train wreck before he got there…because he lit it up at Fresno State, where the speed of the game isn’t nearly what it is in the Pros.
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i hate to say it
but in that situation (drafting 4th, Luck gone, Peterson available) i think the best plan may be this:
1. draft Patrick Peterson
2. address other needs in the later rounds
3. wait for a franchise QB next year
i hate waiting for a franchise QB, but i wouldn’t want to draft Locker or Mallett at #4 and trying to find a franchise QB in the 2nd round is not a good plan. the dolphins have been trying it for a while now, and look how that worked out for them.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Re: #3
Why? Who’s gonna be there? Not to mention the possible lock out which in turn will screw everything up.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
i don't know who will be there next year
but Jake Locker and Ryan Mallett both have too much bust potential to draft over Patrick Peterson, and i have no faith in the let’s-try-to-find-a-franchise-QB-after-the-first-round plan. the dolphins have spent a 2nd round pick on a QB three drafts in a row, and look who’s starting for them: a first-rounder from 10 years ago.
like i said, i hate waiting for a franchise QB, but in that situation it might be the best plan.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Nov 12, 2010 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
The Browns got a potential franchise QB in the 3rd
Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Boomer Esiason, etc…
You can find good QB’s later in the draft. And I have a feeling there could be a couple (Gabbert and Kaepernick) that could end up being REALLLLY good at the next level. Gabbert may stay though.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
In other words...
I don’t think we should NOT draft a QB just cause we don’t in the 1st. There could be good to great QB’s available in the 2nd-3rd.
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Yup
There are too many college QBs coming out every year to say that only the good ones get drafted in the first. Yes, the odds of finding a stellar one drop as you move down the draft board.
OTOH drafting a QB in the 3rd round gives you the option of letting him sit for awhile and develop. With a first round pick you have the pressure to get him in right away, while with a mid-round selection you can let him develop.
You wouldn't look for a QB in the third round?
Why not take a guy that could potentially better your team in the future? Even if you find a guy the next year who is franchise QB material, you can’t keep going to the scrap heap to patch the hole you have.
by 9thevolution on Nov 12, 2010 6:17 AM PST up reply actions
You wouldn’t look for a QB in the third round? Why not take a guy that could potentially better your team in the future?
because you can get a starter in the third round at several positions, but you usually can’t get a franchise QB there. i don’t want to spend a pick on a backup QB when the same pick could be used to fill a position of need with a decent starter.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Montana was a third rounder best QB ever
and the second best QB ever is projected to be a third rounder. *cough*Moore*cough*
Kellen Moore is awesome
Exception not the rule.
Romo was undrafted, so does that mean we should never draft a QB because we can find starters as UDFA? Cmon dude, step up your game. It’s the exception, not the rule. Most starting QBs are 1st rounders. You stand the best chance to get your QBOTF in 1st round, than 3rd.
I'm just saying you should never stop looking
Never know when the next one pops up
Kellen Moore is awesome
yes, sometimes you can find a franchise QB in the 2nd or 3rd round
but when you draft a QB in the 3rd round, more often than not you just spent a relatively high pick on a career backup/fill-in starter. i wouldn’t take that risk when the team has so many other needs that could be filled in rounds 2-3.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Nov 12, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
It should not be about not drafting a QB in the third round
because they generally don’t turn out into franchise QBs as often as first rounders. If the scouting and front office find a guy who they believe in and value highly, they should pick him even though according to statistics he won’t be Payton Manning if he’s picked in the third. Teams (usually) don’t go around tossing third rounders either blindly on QBs, and with our track record of first round QBs lately, not getting a franchise QB in the third won’t impede the teans development as a first round miss would… but a third round QB jackpot would put us over the top, more so than a situational change of pace running back or a project pass rusher OLB.
Some people would argue that Nate Davis falls in to the "UDFA" stud category
Some players have the talent but are never given the right tools due to poor coaching. If we got the right coaches in there, there could be quite a bit of potential at that position… yes, even starter material. Colt McCoy is probably going to turn out to be pretty good and the Browns got him in the 3rd. Yes, the exception is not the rule, but it does tell us that it is very possible to find a guy later on.
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If we're drafting Top-5 (no way we're #1):
1) Patrick Peterson CB LSU 2) Best DE/DT available 3) Owen Marecic FB/LB Stanford 4a) Kai Forbath K UCLA 4b) Kellen Moore QB Boise State 5) Best OLB available 6) BPA 7) BPA
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Vs. the Falcons
But this was just the first half I had school second half.
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