Singletary Miked Up
Coach Sing was miked up for the 49ers-Seahawks game.
At the end of the video, during coach Sing's speech, you can see Patrick Willis looking at his injured right arm.
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hard to say when in the game that was
But it could conceivably have been when we were already winning by a lot, in which case it would be sensible.
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by See Jay on Dec 15, 2010 11:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
one more time, please lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 15, 2010 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know if the timing of that clip was manipulated...
I don’t know what point in the game that bit really came in at, but even so, Sing could really not be less specific in what he’s telling MJ to do.
Sing: ….favor the run more than the pass.
MJ: Uh, ok. How do you want us to run? Traps? Counters? Dives? Pitches?
Sing: Yeah, those sound like football words, do those. Do those football words.
I was never quite sure where exactly the dividing line fell between MJ and Sing in terms of playcalling, but it now seems undeniable that Sing likes to “get involved” in vague and counterproductive ways. His confused yelling after bad things happen was equally unhelpful “What!? Come on, guys! What the heck is that?! Come on!”, and then asking his assistant why that thing on the field just happened. Could Singletary really be any more clueless about football?
by We Hit People In The Mouth on Dec 15, 2010 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
Proof that Sing does not call plays
Or would you prefer that he tell MJ which plays to call?
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Every coach favors the run up thirty in the second half. It’s called protecting your lead and your players. Because, ya know, it’s not a video game. That’s not “hand in the offense.” That’s smart. Which makes the opposite…
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Did anybody else hear his comments about them playing dirty
Iupati stinger and two broken forearms?
They were playing dirty. next year I hope we crush them by 60 points.
just keep running that crap all the way, cheap playing __________
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Did he really say run it more
but the order of the sound bites are messed up. So maybe it was later in the game.
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After watching this
I’m truly worried about the 49ers getting completely skull-decorumed against the Chargers. Singletary keeps on looking (and sounding) like he has no idea how to coach a football game or team.
“Hey MJ, I love what you’re doing, but favour the run more than pass.”
Sure, we don’t have clarification as to when this is occurring in the game, but Coach Sing needs to say out of the OC’s ear with messages like that. It just feels counter productive. Obviously, the OC is going to know when to start calling a heavy amount of run plays to milk the clock, it’s why he’s the friggin’ co-ordinator. In my opinion, the score could be 140-0, but if it the game is in the second or third quarter, there’s absolutely no reason to get in the OC’s ear like that. Let the team succeed, and if the OC calls pass after pass late in the game, then get in his ear. Singletary just keeps proving that he coaches scared. A loss to San Diego, and I say fire his ass.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 16, 2010 12:28 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
yes, yes, yes
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 16, 2010 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
This is wrong
The HC always has the power to tell his coordinators to do something more or less. He’s the HC! You would not want any HC to be neutered to the point that they didn’t. If so, they would not be in charge.
Seems he handled this correctly. Let your coordinator know that you like what he’s doing but you that you want a change of pace. You may recall that Sing was praised on Sunday for shortening the game and sitting his starters when up thirty points in the 2nd half, due to having a game in four days.
the score could be 140-0, but if it the game is in the second or third quarter, there’s absolutely no reason to get in the OC’s ear like that.
Andrew, you’re wrong. he OC’s job is to go full bore with the game plan until or unless the HC tells him different. The HC’s job is to manage the game and team. If he’s up 140 points, or thirty with a game in four days, it is a reason to get in the coordinators ear. You do it because you’re in charge and your team has another game in four days. Please tell me you know this?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 16, 2010 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
"This is wrong"
Andrew Davidson was not saying that a HC doesn’t have the power to tell his coordinators to do something more or less.
The gameplan was to open it up – that’s why we threw it so many times in the first half. The OC’s job is to introduce a gameplan that can attack a defense at its weak points while keeping them off balance. For the entire 1st quarter and about 12 minutes of the 2nd quarter, that’s what we were doing and that’s what was working at that time (37-7).
One way or another, that quote by coach about favoring the run more HAD to have come in the closing minutes of the 2nd quarter OR at roughly the 8:40 mark in the 3rd quarter. There was a noticable difference in what we were doing at that point in the game and while I understand why you may want to “dial-it-down” when ahead by 37 pts, it’s still too early in a game to completely go away from what is efficient and effective after only 1 half of football.
I’m not going to say, “SpurredOn, you’re wrong” because there’s technically, you’re not. You just may have misconstrued what Drew Davidson was saying because he never said anything about what the relationship or dynamic between OC’s and HC’s is.
He said:
Coach Sing needs to say out of the OC’s ear with messages like that
And:
the score could be 140-0, but if it the game is in the second or third quarter, there’s absolutely no reason to get in the OC’s ear like that
I’m saying that is wrong. The HC not only has the right but should do this as it is their job to manage the team and game, including how this one game bleeds into the next game in four days. His two starting LBs were playing injured. He’s already lost his starting RB, LT and no longer had his starting LG. The objective became shortening the game and getting out of there without any more injuries. Especially on a short week. To say that “there’s absolutely no reason” to instruct your coordinator to change the strategy you’ve discussed and planned all week is wrong. It’s what a HC needs to do: communicate.
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They haven’t been altering their gameplans all year, why start now, just because the team had a lead? : \
I just didn’t like Coach Sing’s mannerisms at all in this micked up segment. He has no idea what’s going on when the team is doing poorly, but is aware of what plays to call when the team is ahead? It just doesn’t make sense to me. He seems too scatter-brained. If it were any other HC, I would completely agree with your main point, but frankly, I’ve lost hope in Singletary.
21-3 is a great replacement feeling though, isn’t it?
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 16, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Ha. Yes it is! How I would enjoy a double victory for the teams tonight.
And to be clear, I’m not picking at you. Hell, I enjoy your posts. I think that too many people pick at Sing no matter what he does, yet would support the same decisions if made by someone else (or if made by an 8-5 Sing instead of 5-8). For his faults, when he’s right he’s right and he deserves that acknowledgement just as he deserves criticism for questionable or poor decisions (hello cutting M-Rob). Some decisions in coaching are black/white, while most are really a gray area based on philosophy IMO. I really liked his decision to rest guys and shorten the game in the 2nd half last week in preperation for tonight. Partly because it’s a very basketball strategy when playing a back to back. But also because it showed Sing breaking from his hyper-focused tunnel vision and thinking ahead, which has not been his in-game strong suit.
Hope you can follow both games tonight. There will be nearly an hour of overlap.
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I’m hoping the Spurs game is actually on League Pass in my area tonight, as it wasn’t last night, and I missed Manu’s buzzer beater.
If the 49ers can win tonight, my faith will be restored in Singletary. I personally think this game should be considered must-win, because a win against the Rams and the team can potentially rest its starters in Week 17 (or just put a beating on Zona for grins).
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 16, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Firstly, thanks mikeinsp for posting and Fooch/guys for moving to front page. Would have been a shame to miss this – any 49ers ’mic’d up’ clips are priceless and never-to-be-missed.
Secondly, as others have said above, it’s a bit worrying to see how vague Singletary seems. I’m not an expert on this game, and am always at pains to point that out so folks don’t think I’m getting above my station, but then again, I’m not the Head Coach of an NFL team, and to hear Singletary constantly talking about ‘what happened there’, ‘what the heck happened’ and issuing generic questions is a bit of a worry (love the comment above from We Hit People in the Mouth, “those sound like football words” – hilarious)
Thirdly, although we can’t tell how the clip was put together, and which bits were edited out, you’d assume the NFL have no agenda and have put together a faithful representation of what happened. If so, it’s just a weird motivational tactic to criticise when things go wrong and not praise when they go right. Singletary was expressionless when Davis scored his touchdown, but yelled to kingdom come when Seattle scored. That doesn’t tally with his image as the master motivator.
Just a concern that people have always excused his lack of coaching credentials with the idea that he can at least motivate players. If he cannot do either particularly well, the least you would hope is that he keeps out of the way and restricts his role to that of non-active figurehead. Turns out he doesn’t even do that – how confused did Takeo look when he told him he wasn’t going back in the game? Hoe disinterested did the whole group look when he addressed them at the end?
Not a video to reassure you that the coaching is in safe hands, whether or not we put up big wins like Sunday and end up stumbling into the play-offs.
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how confused did Takeo look when he told him he wasn’t going back in the game?
Takeo never wants to sit, that’s part of what makes him such a solid pro. But his HC needed him fresh in four days for another game. His HC also knew that he injured his hand earlier in the game. It’s the players job to not want to come out, and the job of the coach to sit him when the game situation no longer calls for his presence.
Singletary was expressionless when Davis scored his touchdown,
Not sure what you wanted from him. Walsh was usually expressionless when the Niners scored because his emotions did not control him. Seifert said nothing but always leaned with heavy body language. Are we really to the point of parsing his lack of reaction to the team scoring? Were you not yelling when Seattle scored their first TD because Reggie Smith bit on a simple pump fake? Come on Niners fans we should be better and smarter than this.
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OK, but on Takeo, I was not suggesting it was the wrong decision to take him out of the game. I was suggesting that the decision hadn’t been communicated properly. In any business, your direct reports need to understand the strategy. Takeo’s blank look would suggest that this was the first he knew of being taken out, and it was being done in a flippant manner with the coach’s back to the player. It was garbled and a bit odd. Not the biggest deal, and of course there’s mitigation in that it was during a game so loads going on, but it goes back to Singletary never naming a quarterback as definitive starter – he’s so uncertain about everything and that must create an element of uncertainty in the group of players.
And yes Walsh could be expressionless – although famously there was always that upturned hint of a smile when Montana threw a touchdown pass that Walsh had dreamed up – but the point is whether it’s an advisable management method to criticize (remembered American spelling this time) and not praise. If you batter your staff when they mess up and you’re expressionless when they succeed, that’s not a good way to motivate.
I’m not sure how much of a great motivator Bill Walsh (Ronnie Lott pretty much couldn’t stand him as a guy) but he was revered as a tactician. Singletary could be either – the fear (and it is only a fear; none of us know for sure) is that he is neither.
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Singletary is no tactician. He’s much too tunnel visioned to be. His is a motivator but even he has learned, likely too late for this job, that motivation must be accompanied by other things. And as HC, your motivation comes during the week but on game day your job is to manage the game and allow you coaches to do 90% of the player motivation and scheming.
I think we should all be less reactionary to judging any coach on how a message was communicated to a player on the sideline. This is football, and all conversations will be quick and perhaps colorful. You tell a guy he’s out, you tell him now and move on. You don’t have time for deep conversations, pretty pleases, or hand holding because there’s a game going on that requires your attention. This was a weakness of Sing’s when he started, that he would get to caught up in addressing an individual player while ignoring the game. You may recall a mic’d clip from Sing’s third game as HC (vs Rams) when he’s trying to have some long talk with a player who did something wrong and the player has to tell him that he’s got to get back on the field for special teams. Sing’s handling of Takeo is an improvement on his part, typical of all coaches, and not deserving of criticism.
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I do hear you. I like Mike Singletary. Whenever I have posted criticism of him here I have always added the caveat that he’s a thoroughly decent man, who deserves respect. I have read his books, I have met him, and I admire him as a man and a father. He’s an inspiration to any Dad in the way he lives his life – any parent should read his books for evidence of that. By contrast Bill Walsh, who you mention, was not a particularly good father or husband, but was a genius of a coach.
But we’re perfectly entitled, as fans, to criticise the way we perceive that he does his job as Head Coach of the 49ers and clips like this one, however much a fleeting snapshot, give us the main opportunity to scrutinise the way he does that job, and my personal feeling having watched this one is that he’s not tremendously impressive on the sideline. It’s an opinion most people who have posted in this thread, having watched the video, share. But I also respect your view if you have a contrary one. It’s all good.
By way of closing remarks, and since we got on to Bill Walsh, my favourite ever sideline quote from him was when Montana threw an interception once, and was called over to the sideline by Bill.
BW: “What the hell do you call that?”
JM (a little spikily and certainly sarcastically): “An interception!”
BW: (with wry smile to take the heat out of the conversation) “I know. Try not to do it again.”
Funny, pithy, succinct, motivational. A genius, to be sure.
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Perfectionist style of player management
Kevin Lynch — from his blog:
’ While he no longer makes a spectacle of himself on the sideline, he continues to treat players like a perfectionist parent – constantly admonishing, rarely praising. He did have one humorous moment when he took out his defensive starters. “You’re done,” he kept telling them. Then he muttered under his breath, “Knuckleheads.” ’
As a Dad, that’s not how I want to treat my kids.
It worked with Vernon, but won’t work with most players, IMO.
by Mood_Indigo on Dec 16, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Just to be clear ...
… I am not saying that Singletary is a role model as a parent because of the way he talks to players. I think I’m saying the opposite. I’m separating the two – as a parent I admire him, but as a coach, I don’t love the way he talks to the players.
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I heard it loud and clear, Sing said run it up the gut!!!
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2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Sing, if he had any sense, would just keep clear of the offense
I don’t think MJ knows that he should run more with a large lead. Does he think he’s adding value with his valuable insight? Or just exercising his prerogative?
by Mood_Indigo on Dec 16, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
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