Roughing The Passer Penalties: Alex Smith ≠ Tom Brady
I know generally speaking Alex Smith does not equal Tom Brady. It's not exactly a shocking statement. But last night's game further reinforced the fact that Tom Brady and players like him often seem to play by a different set of rules than the mere mortals of the NFL. Considering Brady is one of the faces of the NFL and basically had a rule named after him, I suppose some kind of preferential treatment shouldn't be surprising. I remember watching one play I believe last season where Brady was tackled after throwing the ball and when a flag wasn't forthcoming he basically stared at the ref until he threw a roughing penalty.
Last night as the 49ers were getting beaten down by the San Diego Chargers, one of the many issues I had with the game was the fairly questionable officiating. Aside from the questionable (in my view) decision to flag and toss Justin Smith, I thought there were numerous instances of problematic calls by the refs. The NFL has made a move to crack down on some of the late and big hits, most notably to quarterbacks, but last night's game saw some rather fishy judgments by the referees.
Before going on, there was some discussion last night about the fact that the judge who tossed Justin Smith, Garth DeFelice, is from San Diego. While on its face that seems a little sketchy, I have to think that's a huge coincidence. I noticed some folks questioning it but would the NFL be that blatant about something like this? I just can't imagine that.
After the jump, I've posted some pictures from last night to point out some of ref'ing issues. They're taken from TV so they're not the best pictures, but they help illustrate the problems from last night's game.
Alex Smith getting driven into the ground on a sack (3 pictures)
This first play came late in the game after the Chargers had things in the bag. In fact, it came on the 49ers last offensive play of the game. I've attached three pictures showing the sequence as best as possible without video. For those thinking it looks weird, it's because I used my laptop and so the pictures are actually backwards.
As you look through the three pictures, it starts with Smith being grabbed by defensive tackle Cam Thomas (on the far left side of the picture). Thomas grabs ahold of Smith and as he takes him down he leverages Smith a bit and drives him into the ground. It wasn't quite like a typical flagged play, but he appeared to pick him up much like a rag doll. He had a firm grip and often times you might see that play get blown dead as a sack before the potential for a QB to get hurt.
I've had my complaints about the excessive number of roughing the passer penalties we seem to be seeing in 2010, so I suppose it might be considered somewhat hypocritical of me to complain about a lack of such a call. However, this play seemed to go beyond some of the ticky-tack garbage refs have been calling. And if refs really are going to impose serious discipline for this kind of stuff, then this should have been ruled roughing.
It's not the best example of the roughing personal foul, but I'm fairly certain a QB like Brady would have gotten the call. I realize it was the end of the game and Smith is not Brady, but that's no excuse. And yes this is basically now just whining about Brady's advantage with refs, but I really don't care. I'm pissed off about last night and I feel this is a worthy venting of my anger.
After the three pictures, I take a look at Tarell Brown's "late hit" on Kelley Washington.
Tarell Brown's Late Hit On Kelley Washington
On this play towards the end of the second quarter, Kelley Washington had caught a Philip Rivers pass on a crossing pattern and proceeded to gain 36 yards. As Washington was starting to make his way out of bounds, Tarell Brown dove into tackle him. Picture 1 shows Brown beginning his tackle and Picture 2 shows him actually hitting Washington out of bounds. Washington fell after that second picture and was banged up on the play.
The hit itself did take place out of bounds, so technically that makes it a "late hit." The problem I have is that Brown began to propel himself towards Washington before Brown had stepped out of bounds. The argument could be made that Washington appeared to be making his way out of bounds and thus Brown should have pulled up.
The problem I have with that argument is that if Brown had pulled up, what was to stop Washington from going out of bounds and instead turning back up field with no other defenders in front of him? Washington was making his way out of bounds but had not made the type of "commitment" in that direction that would give Brown reason to think, "He's clearly going out of bounds and I shouldn't dive at him." Washington was still in bounds and was only angling his way to the sideline. One could simply look at Ted Ginn's shimmy down the sideline on his kick return called back. It wasn't exactly the same instance of angling out of bounds, but Ginn was certainly tip-toeing the sideline.
I'm sure in both of these I can be accused of favoritism as a 49ers fan. If that's the case then so be it. I see what I see and I call BS. There were several other examples of bad plays, but I thought these were two of the more glaring.
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Bad calls happen
I get it- human element, whatever.
But in this game, how do the 49ers lose every close call, every benefit-of-the-doubt situation?
I am alleging that the fix was in, until the NFL can prove otherwise. I’m calling my congressman and senator, asking that they revoke NFL’s antitrust exemption. I want football, but I don’t know that I can stomach paying for a product that is falsely advertised as being an honest contest between two teams. We have no recourse to complain to the NFl, they have no accountability or responsibility to answer to the fans, and we couldn’t start a competing professional league if we “don’t lie it”.
I’m sick of it.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
That is, "don't like it".
No one post a similar competing comment though, because you have to either like my flawed comment or not participate in the discussion at all.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
I had it wrong anyway
It’s a monopoly exemption, not anti-trust.
I’m still aiming for cognitive consonance knowing I tried to do something about it, failed because I could never gather the kind of forces needed to take on such an endeavor, then just gobbled up the product anyway because I need to waste my time and money somehow.
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What's the difference?
I know football has a limited antitrust exemption for purposes of television contracts. But I think that’s it. Fooch might be able to help us with this — I believe he’s written on antitrust law and football.
explanation
one person/company owns everything. Think AT&T before they got broken up in the early 80s.
Anti-trust. A group of related businesses working together to fix prices or drive down competition. Think of it like gas stations on the same street agreeing to set the price of gas.
No...
…you’re thinking of the difference between monopoly vs. duopoly vs. oligopoly. Antitrust law regulates all three types of anti-competitive arrangements. As a result, people usually speak in terms of an “antitrust exemption” for baseball and football. LA9er is suggesting there’s a difference between an “antitrust” exemption and a “monopoly” exemption, but I don’t think that’s accurate.
Yeah you're right
anti-trust is just the generic term that covers all the unfair business practices.
It doesn't help perception
That the current commish has a strong East coast bias, based both on their preferance of the east teams (Spygate, Jets tampering, Jets & Pats complaints about traveling to the West coast) and ignoring of west teams complaints (stadiums, 10AM start time when traveling east).
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I vow to never mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together again until we have a "quarterback."
Early On
The 49ers were in the game, and Alex Smith’s play was over turned by Instant Replay Review. It was a prime example of how a challenge is never a stupid idea if something’s questionable. When I saw the play happening, I was worried it wasn’t a TD, but I was hopeful the call would remain upheld because the ruling on the field was a TD. This is a rare time when I hoped the game was on Fox (other than the Millen/Joey Sunshine combo) because I wanted Mike Peirera’s (sp?) thoughts on the subject. Was there conclusive evidence?
What was even more trouble was San Francisco’s play calling on fourth down, but that’s an entirely other issue. The 49ers played terribly last night, plain and simple. Things really went down hill after the turnover on downs. San Diego marched 97-yards for a TD, a drive that featured the Justin Smith incident. Was the ref right in throwing out Smith? I don’t know, based on the rule book yes. But did this ref have to be so quick to toss a flag on Smith? Sometimes refs gotta let the boys play, and there had been enough shenanigans after the whistle that the ref should’ve known Smith’s blood was boiling already. What’s he do? Steps in and tries to be the tough ref by shoving Smith. Why can refs touch players?
The 15-yard penalty was bad news for the drive, but the defense still should’ve stopped the Chargers from going 77 more yards. Just a bad game emphasized by bad reffing. It was salt in the wounds. Alex Smith getting spiked to the ground (I think he got driven twice) was just sand in the eyes. The refs and the NFL don’t care about Alex Smith. I’m almost starting to feel bad for how Alex Smith has to go through his daily life knowing no one gives a crap about him. The coaching staff obviously doesn’t.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 17, 2010 9:22 AM PST reply actions
correction
The defense actually only allowed SD to march the field and get a FG. My mistake.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 17, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
I didn't see Singletary go nuts on the sideline..
and jaw at the refs like he did earlier this season. He was too busy “coaching”.
Smith could have helped his own case by asking for a flag there. Everybody works a ref.
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The guy can't win
When he gets animated and yells at the refs, he’s too emotional! Out-of-control! But now when he stays calm and doesn’t let his emotions beat him, he gets mocked again?
lulz
No more mock draft sig for now...
Come on..
Sing’s histrionics with the Refs early this season was Bush League. I think it was Maiocco who pointed out during one special team time out, he started going into a Ref when there was no penalty or issue to discuss. Now when he would have a legitimate beef, he has become somewhat sullen.
Sheesh.
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I think Sing handled it correctly
This team is so mentally fragile. Last night was the perfect bookend to the opener in Seattle. One bad thing goes against them and they are incapable of turning the game back to their favor. If Sing goes off it makes it worse with a team so young (on offense) and fragile (all around). If this were the Steelers, Ravens or Jets I could see that firing htem up but this isn’t the squad.
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He doesn't have to blow up..
at them. He should have backed Smith up by emphasizing a PF on the QB. I don’t buy this whole team fragility thing. The game was already lost on during the late game sack.
He wasn’t backing up his QB. That makes them mentally more fragile if we were going to use that logic.
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Game did have "fix is in feel" to it.
Niners played poorly but I am used to that. I’ve never spent so much time talking about issue with others while watching. Something was amiss at least in spectacle of the game action. Could be coincidence, but that aspect marred appreciation that the better team would win. there may be a Brady effect now with Rivers—perhaps unconsciously the league wants him in the playoffs.
by Vertigo on Dec 17, 2010 9:31 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Did the Raiders play SD last night?..
maybe Jed should consider a joint Stadium with them. We’re starting to sound like Raiderfan.
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You are probably right.
But it did feel that way. Perhaps just desperation surfacing, a sense that team is “doomed.”
by Vertigo on Dec 17, 2010 9:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I watch a lot of the NBA..
I learned to tune out Refs. If there was a League that was rigged, that’s the one.
That’s why I love Golf. There are no Refs in that game. Just Officials who enforce a rule book.
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Mirror
Did you take these pictures through a mirror? Lol how come all the letters are backwards?
+1
I agree that this is all whining and much to do about issues that would not have changed the outcome of the game. Re-hashing this game, the refs, the calls, is going to get us nowhere.
Fooch, there really needs to be a post that asks the obvious: What do we do from here to get better as a team? Who stays, who goes, who realistically can we expect to get in the draft and FA? As a coach? Etc.
I would write the post myself but I think there will be more serious and respectful responses if you post it yourself.
changes
I’m waiting until the end of the season. There’s only two games left, but why not wait until we have a handle on the entire season?
by David Fucillo on Dec 17, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
I agree it is not helpful to "whine"
But it sure did feel like the refs had instructions to “protect the team that actually has a chance in the post season…” :-/
Exactly
It’s not even “all evil”- the league may want to avoid a black eye in regards to the NFC West and playoffs, perhaps maybe even impacting the CBA.
With so much heat coming from the helmet-to-helmet and TD catch rulings this season, the last thing they needed was another rule change discussion on the board.
So they tell the refs to make sure the game doesn’t get out of hand, knowing full well that there’s no accountability whatsoever as to the actions of their referees, especially when it comes to an NFC West team with a naive owner that likely won’t play ball with the commish on other matters.
Not that they needed to, of course, since the Niners likely would have dropped the game anyway. Now we will never know.
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Comon everyone for all of your complaining
How many of you are going to be cheering for the Chiefs and the Falcons this week?
These are the 2 teams that crushed our hearts the most this season and you guys are all going to sit down with a bucket of wings and a 12 pack of beers and root them on. Meanwhile it really won’t take much to back into the playoffs this year. We’ll be infamous if we do.
The only two things in our way: Coaching and quarterbacking.
I am really tired of hearing about QB as our issue
If it’s not obvious by now that the issues are WAY deeper than that.
AS had several perfect passes dropped, and very poor and unimaginative play calling and very poor O-Line play last night. Eventually he tried to make something happen and ended up with an INT.
Our O-Line is poorly coached.
Our receiver are poorly coached.
Our playcalling is all too often predicatable and unimaginative.
Sing believes the QB isn’t that important and he’s doing everything he can to prove himself right…
by ColoradoNiner on Dec 17, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Thank god someone else sees it
Our O-Line is poorly coached.
Everyone has the blinders on when it comes to Solari. Our offensive line is terrible and has shown no improvement overall as a unit. I’m tired of the “continuity” thing, injuries, “the guys have to get used to playing next to each other” or “we have two rookies” excuses. The unit as a whole should be able to improve from one game to the next. Any positives we see in run blocking are offset by deficiancies in pass blocking and vice versa. Other teams play through injuries and do fine, but you can’t do it without coaching, so something is missing.
by 9thevolution on Dec 17, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Seriously
Smith still completed most of his passes and had some great ones dropped. His only turnover was in super garbage time where he had to throw it on 4th down. Additionally, the O-line last night was just dreadful. Even though the 4th-and-goal playcall was the wrong one, it didn’t help that Iupati of all people missed a crucial block. The thing that really gets ignored though, is just how bad our defense is. It was supposed to be good this year, some people even thought top-5, but last night we could not get a stop to save our lives. The time of possession was something like 38-22, and San Diego had no problem running it down our throats, so it wasn’t just Rivers tearing up our horrible secondary.
by We Hit People In The Mouth on Dec 17, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly!
Look; Alex Smith isn’t a good QB.
I think his skills are that of an average to slightly below average QB.
But much like the fact that a defense can afford to have an average to below average cornerback as long as the majority of the players he’s surrounded by are relatively good and the playcalling and coaching is relatively good, then the average/below-average CB won’t hurt the team that much. In fact, it’s possible that the CB could end up having gaudy numbers like 8 INT’s or something, despite not really being that talented.
With QB’s, you get guys like Jay Cutler and Matt Cassel having gaudy numbers for offenses that have their stuff together, but then they throw 26 INT’s or have 69 QB ratings when they’re in an offense that doesn’t have their stuff together.
The fact is, about 90% of the starting QB’s in the NFL would perform about the same as Alex or at most, only slightly better. Only difference-maker QB’s could legitimately do well with this offense… And that’s like a grand total of like, 3 or 4 QB’s in the game. And it’s not like they’d be excellent with the 49ers, they’d just be considered good instead of great. Brady and Manning would be putting up 87 QB ratings for the 49ers and making heady pass after heady pass if they had to put up with this crap.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Dec 17, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Brady or Manning...
would have looked at Johnson’s gameplan, and shoved it up his rear end. Smith isn’t quick on the draw, but jeeeeebus, Johnson had plays out there that took way too long to develop, and Smith hardly had a whole lot of options underneath from what I saw, given having to watch a stream.
Johnson’s a hack. I can’t wait until the 49ers hire a Head Coach who knows offense.
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Johnson is pretty bad.
At first it seemed as if he were a tad better than Raye.. But he’s really about the same.
Nothing against the guy really… But he’s definitely inexperienced and the playcalling just seems like the same tired old thing… Making me think that Singletary is the real culprit here.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Dec 17, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
imo, he's worse than Raye
At least Raye was consistent with his runs up the gut. Johnson looks like he really doesn’t know what he’s doing.
Bingo ... this whole concept on both side's of the ball suck's from the top on down ..
… the only one i like is Rathman and who know’s how good he’s doing with all this ineptness all around him …!!
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WE need a better quarterback than Alex Smith
It’s gotten so bad I can predict what plays he’s going to throw an interception and what plays he’s going to get sacked. I can tell how the game is going to go by looking at the look on his face after the first quarter.
He gives up if things seem too hard for him. Troy has half the ability Alex does and he never gives up, that has to tell you something about Alex. Not saying Troy is better, just pointing out Alex’s tendency to give up really early.
Sure, we could use a better QB.
However, I’d argue that we have bigger holes than QB… Like for instance, the coaching holes, the offensive line holes… And I’d even go so far as to say the secondary holes as well.
I put having a better QB on the same list as having a better pass rush.
Certainly nice, but rather hard to find and likely isn’t as important as we sometimes feel it is.
That’s not to say the QB problem should be ignored, just that it shouldn’t be the first thing that pops up in peoples minds when they think about how bad this team is.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Dec 17, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
Yet when people ask the question why is this team SOOOO BAD
Quarterback ineptitude is the first thing that jumps out. No one says Alex Smith is a good quarterback except people posting on Niner Nation. Nate Clements is recognized as a great cornerback around the league.
Yet here everyone will say he’s a bust.
The offensive line is young and is going to get better. The quarterback AND the coaches can help out the offensive line by running less predictable plays and getting the ball out quicker in blitzing situations. Alex Smith can’t even execute a screen play.
I’m just saying, Alex Smith is the biggest problem, along with the coaching. But the coaches are stuck with him and he with them. That severely limits our chances at success.
by Pat Willie on Dec 17, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The o-line is not good.
And it’s fine to think some of the linemen will get better (Davis in particular)… But there’s really only 3 good linemen, 2 of them are injured (Heitmann and Staley) and the other (Iupati) is good but not great (although he may get better, sure).
Baas, Snyder and Sims are the football equivalents of Ramon Martinez and Mark Sweeney… Solid backups and that’s it.
Davis and Rachal are the football equivalents of Cameron Maybin… Young and athletic but haven’t been very valuable despite being given a fair amount of playing time.
They CAN get better, but they simply HAVEN’T been good. And there’s no guarantee that they’ll get better. It’s looking less and less likely by the game, especially with Rachal.
They NEED upgrades on the offensive line, even if it seems as if they’ve been attempting to do this forever… Part of the problem could simply be that they don’t know how to find good linemen, thus adding to the mess.
Whatever it is, I do not agree with you that QB is the biggest problem (although I agree that coaching is). QB is only brought up so often because it’s easier to see the problems with a QB than it is other positions. It’s also the position that everyone thinks of as incredibly vital to a teams success, when it’s really just another piece.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Dec 17, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
Though it had no impact in the game
I was shocked that the sack on Alex wasn’t called roughing. It clearly was, especially based on the new protect QB at all costs rules. And that the game was about over, an even better time to enforce the rule and remind defenders to play the new way.
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Alex Smith actually had no impact on the game.
That’s sad
by Pat Willie on Dec 17, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You know
who the ref on the play was…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyMRi8gTIkk
our favorite referee from san diego.
So the field goal penalty on SD
We get three points. They take them off because of the penalty (which would have been stupid, of course to decline) and we get three shots at the end zone. When you can’t get in, at some point you need to realize that by going for it on fourth down and not making it, you have successfully robbed your own team of three points. The call to go for it on fourth down was one of the worst I have ever seen from any coach, EVER. It was a blessing to get three more downs to attempt the touchdown, but when you’re coaching the 25th or worse ranked offense against the #1 overall defense…take what you can get. And do not EVER rob your own team of points. I lost a lot of respect for Mike Singletarry when he did that.
Alex leads the NFL in the redzone
Its all 20/20 hindsight, but a different play might of been better than what they ran.
by EcERyda69 on Dec 17, 2010 10:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
That's fine
Alex can be first in the league in the redzone on first, second, and third down. But come fourth down, I’m taking the three points I had to begin with. It’s not like we were getting blown out at that point. Hindsight is always 20/20, but I was angry the second I knew they were going for it, so it’s not like I’m just mad because they didn’t get it. I would have honestly been upset even had they got the touchdown, because it’s just not smart football, and not a sign of good coaching.
Going for it on 4th and 6 inches from the 6 inch line is good coaching.
Because when you QB sneak it and get stuffed the other team is still on the 6 inch line and a safety is a very realistic possibility. The only problem was the stupid call instead of a QB sneak.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 17, 2010 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
+1
To go for it was 100 percent the right decision. But I still don’t understand why we didn’t QB sneak either. Interestingly, no-one seems to be talking about how bad Iupati was. But when Davis has a poor game, everyone is quick to ask for him to be benched.
I'm not so sure about that...
I would’ve made the same call; to go for it. However, I wouldn’t have done it with that play, which was the worst playcall of all last night. You have the ball on the half-yard line and you lose three yards, so something is wrong. You call a QB sneak or a designed roll-out where the QB can just sprint for the pylon.
Not a terrible decision to go for it, as your defense just got you a stop and the offense looks like it can continue to drive downfield, but worst playcall of the entire season.
by 9thevolution on Dec 17, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
The play should have been , what they call a goose play or quick sneak
… Qb walk’s up to the line and give’s the center a goose in the ass and bingo two feet every time …!!
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I hate Brady
As an SD fan, I’ll agree that he probably does get the call on the Garay tackle. Technically, I don’t think he lifted then slammed him, he just tackled him very forcefully. However, I still agree that Brady gets that call because half of the refs masturbate to his wife every night. However, you shouldn’t get carried away too much. 28 or 29 other QBs in the league don’t get that call either. Vick has been getting pummeled and he doesn’t get a single call. Is there an East Coast bias? Yes. Did the refs lose the game for you? No. The #1 defense in the league destroyed your team and the #2 offense got it’s most dangerous weapon back and you had absolutely no answer.
As for the people bashing Alex Smith, I haven’t seen a large enough body of work to chime in either way. But Payton threw 4 picks and Brady only managed 150 yards and also ‘held on to the ball too long’ against this defense. When the Chargers ST doesn’t give up the game, they’re a freaking good team. They had one really really bad week against Oakland, but that happens. Other than that, they’ve lived up to their billing.
The refs turned this game in your favor
We lost our main cog in our Defense. Before he was ejected the game was competitive. You lose someone like Smith it changed the way our defense could of played. We had 2 sacks while he was in. after his ejection they couldnt get any kind of pressure on Rivers
by EcERyda69 on Dec 17, 2010 10:50 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
SD was the better team..
even with Smith in period.
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The refs were awful
but don’t delude yourself and think that we lost because they ejected Smith. Let’s not forget that our offense was also abysmal, just like the defense. And we gave up a 50+ yard TD with Smith in the game. Rivers would’ve carved us up no matter what.
by 9thevolution on Dec 17, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
I don't have anything against the chargers
Except for maybe celebrating about it all. But I don’t know how you could feel good about the victory, knowing that there was a gigantic thumb on the scale in re: to the TD, the phantom late hit, the non roughing call and the phantom ref assault.
I mean, do what you want, that’s why you’re a charger fan, but there’s at least enough doubt here to know a street game wouldn’t turn out 34-7.
Plus, given all the help, I think your team should have put 50+ on us. Off night?
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This happens all the time. Flag him but don't toss him
Why wouldn’t this guy be tossed?
That was a little forceful
but the ref is incompetent for lining up right in front of the players. Why does he need to be that close to the play?
by 9thevolution on Dec 17, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Smith got himself kicked out
by pushing the ref. It looks like nothing to us on TV. But if you weigh 150 lbs less than a lineman, and you get pushed by said lineman, it doesn’t take much more than a brush to make an impact. It’s a judgment call, and you just don’t want to be in that position where you push a ref and he takes out the fight he had with his wife on you.
My friends in SD were complaining that Singletary should have gotten a penalty for kicking the flag. In the playoff game against the Jets, VJax got a penalty for the same thing. It was in a slightly different context, but technically, he did the exact same thing. Again, whenever there is a judgment call to made by humans, you can guarantee it’s going to be inconsistent. It’s just the way the world works. That’s why you don’t put your hands on refs and why you don’t kick flags. There’s enough BS going around with PI, holding calls, and roughing the passer… don’t add fuel to the fire.
Also, Smith doesn’t play offense. You couldn’t move the ball all night. If you think that single call would have changed the outcome of the game, that’s your prerogative. I don’t see it that way.
Finally, I will agree that the unnecessary roughness call was a little touchy. It didn’t help the 49ers that the guy got injured from a hit that was out of bounds. But guys who plan on stepping out, need to get out before they have a chance to get rocked. A half yard isn’t worth a career ending injury.
The ref initiated the contact
And it wasn’t even head on, “I am the ref and you need to stop” contact, it was a head down forearm shiver and pushed big ol’ JSmith a good 2 yards before he reacted by pushing the little d-bag’s arm away.
He was looking for trouble and Justin obliged. Worth a penalty, a talking to? Sure- not the instantly emotional reaction (just watch his face as he throws the flag- did he just get assaulted or bingo?).

49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Blaze of glory
I wish smith leveled him and went out in a giant blaze of glory.
Yeah
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that ref is a complete douche
completely antagonized Smith into that call…and i love how the SD guy is doing most of the smack talking, and ALL THREE refs are attacking Smith….biased much?
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 17, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
On a related note
I wonder what recourse Justin has to allege inappropriate contact by the ref?
The video clearly shows an inordinate amount of contact both before and after Justin’s action in comparison to the Charger and all the other players.
I’m ready to file suit on his behalf- I can only imagine how he feels.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
It's funny
that another ref gets between Smith and the flag-throwing ref- and keeps the ref away from Smith! WTF?
by (site decorum) on Dec 17, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
DQ. Does it come with one game suspension? If so, does it count against his streak?
by david w gibson on Dec 17, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
WOW
It looks like it was set up by the ref, the part where he puts his arm on shoves Smith back knowing he would probably shove back not knowing who it was because of his emotions running high, and that ref should be fined if Smith is fined as well, also the NFL should not put refs from the same town as the teams playing because it looks like they are going to play favorites which it looked like it yesterday.
The ref initiated contact
He was breaking up the argument before it turned into a fight. This happens several times a game.
In the video
The ref shoves him out of the way with a forearm to the chest. He did the right thing by separating them, but the wrong thing he did was after pushing Justin back a few feet, he continued to push him. That’s when Justin had enough. His moved the arm off of him. He didn’t shove him in the chest or face. He moved his arm.
Flag? Maybe.
Warning? Yes.
Ejection? No.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that don't work." - Thomas Edison
"I may be an idiot, but one thing I'm not sir, is an idiot." - Peter Griffin
Body shots!
him getting ejected after the side line reporter noted that smith came off the field screaming body shots body shots, you get enough the head will fall. I’m just sayin’ I think some of the refs didn’t like that very much.
To make it even worse
On one of the hits on Smith the announcing crew were taking gleeful delight in what a great big hit it was, comparing it to a wrestling move. I think one of them even said “two points!” Everyone who had any role in calling that game last night was dreadful….playcalling, officiating, announcing….just torture
by We Hit People In The Mouth on Dec 17, 2010 12:38 PM PST reply actions
That was definitely one of the most unevenly called games i have seen all year....
The sacks mentioned above, the “late hit” out of bounds, the ejection of J. Smith, Ginns TD getting called back (because if anything, the SD’s guy was grabbing facemask as well), A. Smiths TD getting called back without indisputable video evidence (the side view he looks kind of down, the front view you can see him hit the marker before his knee touches), SD was clearly offsides on several sacks, and on one of the sacks, the SD guy clearly crushed Smith in the head….National Fixed League, that is a good new name for it
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 17, 2010 12:50 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The facemask penalty called on the Chargers
during the 49ers return was a bad call. That resulted in your 7 points. I agree the officiating was bad, but it went both ways.
Nah, mostly one way
San Diego refs officiating a home game for the Chargers…something smell fishy there?
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 17, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
i meant penalty
penalty that was borderline. It seemed that even though they were penalties against the chargers, delay of game, none of the were game changers, or resulted in points coming off the boards.
Facemask call on your scoring drive
after the kick return. That was a phantom call and it netted you 7 points.
Lack of respect = calls going the other way
I truly believe that bad teams, more times than not, have calls go against them. The Niners garner no respect. The front office, the coaching staff, and the team in general (I’ll give a pass to Willis, J. Smith, Spikes, V. Davis and Gore) are not taken seriously. You’re not going to get the close calls and the media is going to poke fun at the team’s expense. There’s only one way to command the respect of TV announcers and officials, and that’s to win. Willis and Spikes were beasts last night, and I don’t blame J. Smith for blowing up like he did. Those guys played with passion. Here that, Dashon?
J Smith
does his DQ bring a one game suspension? and if it does, will it count against his streak?
The worst part is
The part of me that actually believes in karma and the overall fairness of the world keeps trying to convince me there’s some scenario in which this could be made right, where the Niners get into the playoffs and suddenly all’s forgiven…
But it just doesn’t work that way. This will be forgotten before it is forgiven or avenged, and like the countless teams before us, the NFL has imposed its will on the game and we are all powerless to do anything but vent amongst ourselves.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
I made note of how to beat/compete w the Chargers
Niners did the opposite. Start w the 4th & inches. What O coordinator hands off deep in the backfield when 11 guys are assuming run between the tackles? Oh, Niners.
I said we had to gut up and play the short to medium passing routes – even tho it meant at least 2 bombs completed. They were playing ten yards off & Rivers played rope a dope. I could have coord SD & got the same result.
I said Niners had to play fast and press the edges. Throwing passes two yards behind scrimage line doesn’t cut it.
The game for pretty close for awhile & maybe would have been a fun watch, but all in all TDFM (too dumb for me). Until the ownership cleans house, this past 8 years is merely the mark of things to come.
A new stadium? (Mora voice)
Somewhat a win for me
Assures that Sing & Co. are gone. Positive. Better draft choices. Positive. Chargers beat Raiders, et. al. Positive. Gives me more time to bake my special (ahem) cookies. Positive.
Also
Alex Smith got slammed repeatedly while they put there weight into him and isn’t that illegal? Just because Smith isn’t considered a top QB is no reason not to call those penalties on the Chargers,I bet they would of called if it was Brady,Manning, Brees or even Sanchez(I think he is still overrated)the NFL won’t ever admit to any wrong doing because they have no INTEGRITY.
Dang the ref shoves him and then throw's an elbow ... ( CHEATER'S ) is what i'm sayin' ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Love the article Title
As for the content of the article…. eh. Blaming the refs is a loser’s argument and can really only hold water if there was one call that came at a pivotal time near the end of the game. Even then I believe in the argument that there are many things that are in a team’s control and that the decision shouldn’t be left to the refs to screw up.
Back to the article title, I was commenting to my pop during yesterday’s game that Alex Smith is The Anti Tom Brady. Everything that makes Brady great (and Montana for that matter) are totally missing in A Smith. He’s a nice guy and smart but he’s not a gamer, not a leader, not a fierce competitor. Hell, I’d give Brady/Montana the calls too. It would be a joy to watch great qb play from that close. I’d throw flags at Smith just because he’s painful to watch and I like throwing things at people that disgust me.
Sorry got off topic a bit. Not calling you a loser either Mooch. I appreciate your work!
Tinman
blaming the refs
I’m not blaming the refs for causing the loss. It’s more a matter of simply pointing to poor officiating. The 49ers lost the game for a lot of reasons unrelated to the refs, but that doesn’t mean the refs don’t deserve criticism.
by David Fucillo on Dec 17, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
pro football focus on the ejection
@ProFootbalFocus Crazy ejection. Almost entirely the fault of the official physically trying to interject himself into some jawing
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It's Official - SD awards game ball to the Officials.
Official wimps that is. “he shoved me, i’m telling my dad on you Justin.” Time out.
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