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49ers vs. Rams: Alex Smith, Troy Smith Might BOTH See The Field?

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49ers head coach Mike Singletary had his first press conference of the week leading up to Sunday's 49ers-Rams game and he had some rather "interesting" comments when asked about the 49ers starting QB:

On who will start at quarterback:
"I'm going to announce it sometime later this week."
 
On whether he has made a decision regarding the quarterback but doesn't want to announce it yet:
"Yes."
 
On whether he implied that both quarterbacks could see action on Sunday:
"It's possible."
 
On whether that would be based on the game plan or based on the feel of the game:
"It depends on how the game goes."

Consider me just a little bit confused by this. Does this mean the starter will have a short leash, or does this mean we'll see a QB rotation? Alex Smith has greater red zone success while Troy Smith seems to prefer airing the ball out leading up to the red zone. Has Mike Singletary gone a bit off the reservation and just decided to do whatever he wants with this situation?

It's entirely possible this is just about the starter having a short leash as opposed to going with the QB rotation and I'm just over-analyzing this. Whatever the case, this kind of confusion is really only fitting for your 2010 San Francisco 49ers. So, I've set up a poll to see what people think will happen in light of Coach Singletary's comments today.

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Head Coach Mike Singletary
Press Conference - December 21, 2010
San Francisco 49ers

On who will start at quarterback:
"I'm going to announce it sometime later this week."
 
On whether he has made a decision regarding the quarterback but doesn't want to announce it yet:
"Yes."
 
On whether he implied that both quarterbacks could see action on Sunday:
"It's possible."
 
On whether that would be based on the game plan or based on the feel of the game:
"It depends on how the game goes."
 
On whether not announcing the quarterback is to keep the Rams guessing:
"You know, in all honesty, in terms of an advantage or whatever, I just think the only real advantage that we could have is to go there and play well. All the other stuff is the cat-and-mouse stuff, but I just think that it's important for us to prepare well this week and get ready to go."
 
On why he chose not to announce the quarterback now:
"Because it's something that I don't really want to announce right now."
 
On whether he has talked to QBs Troy Smith and Alex Smith and told them who will start:
"Yes."
 
On whether he had that conversation with them today:
"No."
 
On whether he had that conversation with them yesterday:
"No, not yesterday. Sometime before today."
 
On whether he is comfortable with not deciding on who will start at this point in the season:
"You know what, if it bothered the offense, or if it bothered the coordinator, you know, then it would be a situation we'd have to deal with, but it doesn't, so we're OK."
 
On whether the offense translates to either quarterback:
"Yes."
 
On whether he feels that the team had an advantage in London when Troy Smith was an unknown:
"I don't know, I think the unknown is always something that maybe it takes you a couple of series to figure out, but as the defense, or as a team, whether it's a wide-out, whether it's a quarterback, whatever it might be, I think after the first couple of series, whatever it is, it's out of the bag, and you have a read on what they're doing and you go from there."
 
On whether he will manage this upcoming game differently in being quicker to make a call to get a player in:
"I don't think so. I think that it's just important that we make that whoever it is, is really well prepared this week, and I don't expect him to go into the game and be perfect. So there has to be some patience there. Otherwise, if you have a plan and you can't fully work on it this week because you're not sure if you're going to stay with it or not. So I just think that whoever it is we'll work with him."     
 
On whether he has to guard against his players putting too much pressure on themselves for this game, or whether he likes them to know that this game is for everything right now:
"I think without saying anything to the players, they know what this game is about. I don't think it's a matter of me adding any more pressure, or the coaches adding any more pressure. You know if you're a team that you're ready to play, pressure is not an issue. Preparation is the key."
 
On whether he watched the Seattle and St. Louis games this past weekend:
"I watched some of it. I didn't watch much of either one. I was kind of watching film, so I didn't really watch much of either one."
 
On whether it is a priority to get Troy Smith reps this week to make sure he is prepared:
"He'll definitely have to get some reps."
 
On how difficult it will be to prepare both quarterbacks while they are splitting reps:
"I'm not really going to split the reps. I'm just going to make sure that each guy has the appropriate reps."
 
On whether it helps to play Rams QB Sam Bradford for the second time as opposed to just watching film:
"Well it certainly helps that we've seen him play and seen him progress. He's doing a good job, and I think they've done a good job preparing him.  He can get the ball out pretty quickly, he's pretty elusive, and he makes good decisions."
 
On whether there are any other injury concerns this week:
"No sir."
 
On whether the team will be healthy for Sunday:
"I think right now everybody is day-to-day, but you know, so far so good."
 
On whether he will use a three-linebacker rotation with Manny Lawson, Parys Haralson and Ahmad Brooks since Travis LaBoy was placed on injured reserve, or whether he will rotate in Thaddeus Gibson:
"You know, we've gone with a three rotation before, so I think that's kind of what we're looking at this time around."
 
On what he saw LaBoy accomplish this year before he got hurt:
"I thought he got to the quarterback a few times. I think that was the thing that we were hoping; that he would be able to find a way to help us put pressure on the quarterback, and I think he did that."  
 
On using DT Isaac Sopoaga in the backfield for short-yardage situations earlier in the season and why he hasn't done that again:
"Well I think it's a continuity thing. You know, when you have [FB] Moran Norris or you have [TE Nate] Byham up to this point, there are some things that you would like to do, and in order to really use Isaac and fully utilize him, you'd have to do some other things during training camp or whatever, and when you put him in, it kind of tells your hand. So if you can't do more things with him, and you don't have time to do that because there's so many other people that we have to work with, [RB Anthony] Dixon, and they need that time. So it kind of limits you."
 
On whether there is thought to give Gibson playing time against the Rams:
"We're looking at that this week. And probably, play on a limited basis."
 
On whether the identity of the offense has been defined or whether it is a work in progress:
"I think it is, in terms of the identity, I think it has been a work in progress, but for the most part we know who the playmakers are, and we try to get the ball to them as much as we can. But it is, it can be a bit of a strain sometimes when you come into the season and you lose [RB] Frank Gore at some point in time, and your quarterback gets hurt, kind of hard to get the rhythm, but we do know at the end of the day who the playmakers are, and it makes sense to try and get them the ball as much as we can."
 
On whether it is disappointing that they haven't been able to be the identity that he wanted:
"Sometimes, it's been frustrating at times, but you know, the best thing about this offense is even though it's been a work in progress, be it the offensive line, be it the receivers, be it the quarterback, the running back, they continue to work and stay focused, and continue to go forward."
 
On whether he feels fortunate that they have a chance at the playoffs at 5-9:
"Feeling fortunate is really not the word to truly describe what we feel as a team for the opportunity that we're in right now. It is truly a blessing to be in this situation."
 
On whether the team feels the same way:     
"Absolutely."
 
On continuing to lose some games but still remain in the hunt for a playoff run:
"Yes, we've continued to lose some games, and we win some. But you're exactly right, its - it can be frustrating, but at the same time, it is ‘now.' And we have to seize the opportunity."
 
On whether playing on turf will limit their ability to use RB Brian Westbrook:
"Playing on turf, I would think that he might be a little faster. Most skilled people are faster on turf, so hopefully that's the case."  

Poll
What do you expect to see at the QB position on Sunday after Singletary's comments today?
Alex plays entire game
307 votes
Troy plays entire game
113 votes
Troy replaces Alex due to ineffectiveness/short leash
223 votes
Alex replaces Troy due to ineffectiveness/short leash
62 votes
Actual QB rotation
151 votes
Other (please describe in comments)
20 votes

876 votes | Poll has closed

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I would expect neither before both

To be honest, we all know it’s Alex. The Rams know it’s Alex. The media knows it’s Alex. My grandma doesn’t even know what sport the 49ers are and she knows it’s Alex.

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

This was funny

Especially the bit about grandma

Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter

by Tre9er on Dec 22, 2010 5:19 AM PST up reply actions  

oh that was going to be my comment

some sort of reverse freak wildcat

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by zenbitz on Dec 21, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Is Steve Spurrier in the room?

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by drummer on Dec 21, 2010 3:06 PM PST reply actions  

I already explained it...

Just stream KNBR.

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by drummer on Dec 22, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I just can't see how they can pull off a rotation

Playcalling in general has been an issue all season. Do we really think Sing/MJ have what it takes to pull off some plan to effectively rotate Alex and Troy in at any given time? I’m just not into experiments this late in the season. And as odd as it sounds, with playoff implications.

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by Mangoman on Dec 21, 2010 3:13 PM PST reply actions  

Troy plays 1st and 2nd down while Alex plays 3rd down

Come on, please be true cause I need some entertainment from this team.

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by bignerd on Dec 21, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Smoke on the water

Im pretty sure he has just chosen one QB and not said a word so the rams have no idea who they are planning for. Rotation would be dumb even though A. smith is better in the red zone and T. smith is better for deep threat.

He will pick his starting QB and depending on how he is playing he might replace him since this is basically playoff game.

by h0ckeysk83r on Dec 21, 2010 3:21 PM PST reply actions  

Since when has playing on turf stopped Brian?

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by Amigo on Dec 21, 2010 3:22 PM PST reply actions  

I didn't get that one either

Does he have some crazy allergies or something? Fear of synthetic fibers? It takes something very special for a reporter to appear more random than our esteemed coach.

by Nohandle on Dec 21, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

As long as we're just guessing

I’m going to guess neither. I think maybe Singletary has finally had enough of this quarterback business and either decided to forego the quarterback to make room for 3 runningbacks, or he’s just going to take snaps himself while wearing a helmet and some leather shoulderpads.

I don’t see as it will make any difference who plays quarterback, nobody can figure out where the passing down plays are in the playbook anyway. I think Singletary should go in there and take snaps. Maybe he can take out a few defensive lineman and free up some room for Dixon to run.

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2010 3:23 PM PST reply actions  

Ha!

The bi-racial love child Smith.

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by SpurredOn on Dec 21, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Are we even the least bit surprised?

He has no clue what he is doing. Just two weeks ago he decided that Alex Smith’s knowledge of the offense gave us the best opportunity to win and that Troy’s lack of Training Camp has hindered his process. What has changed from just 14 days ago? This is getting ridiculous. I fully expect Alex to start, because I don’t think anything has changed, but if he goes to Troy, I think you will read all over the media about how he is a man with conviction in religion, but wafts with the wind as to QBs. I think it shows a lack of knowledge with the QB. You study the film, you look at which QB is playing better, which one knows the offense, and you commit for multiple weeks. You can’t say, Alex is better, then Troy, then Alex, then Troy all within a couple weeks. You have seen both play, you know their strengths, now stick with one of them. To me, it’s clear Troy isn’t an option right now. I know he is 3-2, but I still think Alex is the best option.

I can’t believe he even said, “no not yesterday, but sometime before today”. Am I the only one that thinks that’s ridiculous? Why not just say I told him on Sunday, or I told him Friday after the game, etc…What does that matter? I get why he doesn’t want to tell the Ram’s who is starting, but what’s the deal with being secretive about the date, and why even say as much as he did, if he didn’t want to disclose it. I swear this guy isn’t running on all cylinders.

I hear a lot about football players have brain issues when they get older like demetia, etc…and I think it has taken hold with Singletary. His press conferences are like watching a bumbling idiot. That and him raising his arms like WTF drives me crazy. I’m absolutely done with him, time to let him go. I’d love it if we were beat by STL and Singletary was fired with only one game left. That sends a message to all the fans that Jed DOES see what’s going on and won’t stand for it. It shows that he only stayed with Singletary since even those this season was a complete disaster it’s tough to fire a coach in the middle of a playoff hunt.

It’s amazing to me though, to allow a guy to keep his job solely because the talent he surrounded himself was so poor. In business, if you surround yourself with HORRIBLE people, that should be the reason you ARE let go. The lack of talent on the coaching staff is a direct reflection on Singletary’s lack of ability. Either he has no clue how to recognize talented coaches, the talented coaches refuse to work for him, or he purposely surrounds himself with idiots, so he can defer blame, he has shown he should be fired ASAP.

by hudd07 on Dec 21, 2010 3:36 PM PST reply actions  

We’re starting Aaron Brooks because he gives us the best chance to win.

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by Amigo on Dec 21, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah. Gotcha

At first I was thinking you were talking about the Houston Rockets PG. Then I was like, no way, maybe he means Ahmad Brooks. lol

by hudd07 on Dec 21, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

jeff garcia

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 21, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

It sucks to say

But I don’t think anyone with any kind of exceptional coaching mind would seriously want to work under Sing. His philosophy of running an effective offense are extremely primitive. He’s gotta get with the times if he’s ever going to be an effective HC. I just can’t see it happening.

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by Mangoman on Dec 21, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

I think a lot of TOP tier coaches, would prefer to be given full autonomy in their respective positions. So OC wants to run it his way, DC wants to run defense his way, and so forth.

I get it’s ultimately on the HC, but when the HC is not working with a full deck, you would think he would try to surround himself with the smartest, most talented people, and stay out of their way. It’s a shame he doesn’t. For being a “big picture guy”, he sure doesn’t seem to get the big picture.

by hudd07 on Dec 21, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

What philosophy is that?

The ones working in Atlanta, Baltimore and New York?

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by SpurredOn on Dec 21, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't want to agree, but I do

lol.

But you know what? I don’t think it’s so much the philosophy as his execution of that philosophy. It just always seems like he is choking down the offense. But worst of all… I just don’t see a prepared football team.

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by Effage on Dec 22, 2010 1:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I laughed

Well, I’m not convinced that Sing chokes down the offense because I don’t think he participates in any of what’s going on with the offense (or defense). This is one reason he will be let go; his ability to game plan and strategize is based completely on the strength of his coordinators, and he has not demonstrated an ability to help them when they are stumped or limited. I don think he’s holding back the offense but as HC it is his job to find a way to help it (and boy does it need some help). My perception is that he lacks that skill and thus any answers other than keep practicing, study the film and be prepared. These are all helpful but it doesn’t solve how best to attack a zone, what running plays will best hit the soft spot of a defense, or how can we get VD open in space or in a mismatch. Of course, he or MJ could be doing some of this and I’ve never know because I don’t trust the QB to execute most of what is called, but that’s another issue.

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by SpurredOn on Dec 22, 2010 1:52 AM PST up reply actions  

The 49ers have had offensive issues since the Cap Purge..

and anybody who has Singletary as a Head Coach of a team that has those issues is a freakin’ moron.

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by drummer on Dec 22, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I told them some time before now...no now!...no now! Okay, now! Before, wait, now!

Ah man I was hoping I wasn’t the only one who noticed. What about:

“I’m not really going to split the reps. I’m just going to make sure that each guy has the appropriate reps.”

I see. So if Alex gets 70% and Troy gets 30% then that wouldn’t be splitting? Or maybe that’s confusing because he’s been using his whiteboard to figure out how to give each of them 80%. He’s going to open up a black hole.

by Nohandle on Dec 21, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Splitting is splitting and there wasnt anything wrong with the answer.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 21, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Then why did he say he WASNT splitting the reps

Unless someone got ALL the reps, then they are being split. So if each guy gets the appropriate reps, and they aren’t splitting, someone is getting the shaft.

by hudd07 on Dec 22, 2010 12:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I am so confused

No wonder the 49ers sucks: Singletary is confusing the players.

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by Effage on Dec 22, 2010 1:36 AM PST up reply actions  

so its ridiculous that they asked or because he wont answer?

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by rlott#42 on Dec 21, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Its the way he answered

Why couldn’t he just say, Its not important. Instead he talks in his Jimmy Raye lingo. Not yesterday, but not today, but before today, because yesterday is before and it was before yesterday, but not today. Cmon Sing, think for a second and put together a sentence.

by hudd07 on Dec 22, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

THIS is what I'm talking about!

I’ve always said, an Alex-Troy fusion QB would be awesome, maybe even good enough to be an elite QB in the league.

Next best option? Play ‘em both! Heck, let Alex take the snap and have Troy line up in the I-set. If Troy draws the pressure off away from Alex, there’s not a D-Line in the league that can adequately cover a QB run by AS, a handoff to TS, and the passing threat from either one.

There will literally always be an option, every play, assuming the O-line even does a halfway decent job!

But I’ll go ahead and jump on the negativity train and just assume this is a weird attempt at outcoaching the other team, when Coach Sing hasn’t cared about it all season.

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by LA49er on Dec 21, 2010 3:44 PM PST reply actions  

We can't even play basic football. Forget about effectively using a rotation.

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by Amigo on Dec 21, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Who cares?

At least make it interesting. If we bumble it and lose, no biggie. If we pull it off, that would be fantastic. Let’s start BOTH of them the rest of the way and just sling it around like playground football. Hell, it’s not like we’ve been watching professional football from this team anyway.

by mr. instigator on Dec 21, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

You gotta make less sense man!

Heheh Yeah in a way I agree with you. When expectations are lowered and just play the game, a lot of times good things happen.

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by Mangoman on Dec 21, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

i know

every other team with nothing to lose pulls off crazy crap. That does mean however that the coaching staff actually needs to be creative…

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by Joshpreet on Dec 21, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

All they gotta do is the fusion dance

i wonder if anyone will get this reference…

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by Joshpreet on Dec 21, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

sadly, yes

most people probably do too

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by Amigo on Dec 21, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

DBZ

I loved watching that show

by EcERyda69 on Dec 21, 2010 4:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

last one

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by Amigo on Dec 21, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

the power level of Alloy Smith

would actually still be kinda low…

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by Joshpreet on Dec 21, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly I don't see how it matters who it is

We shouldn’t be expecting The Rams to be preparing for who plays, it should be for what plays we’re going to run. Our offensive philosophy is so backward right now that it doesn’t take much more than practically a HS coach to figure it out. What we really should be doing is figuring out not who is going to be in there, but figuring out how we’re going to change our scheme of plays. Bottom line is it doesn’t matter who is in there because our HC/OC is quite apparently showing that they have little confidence in our QB’s. Yeah they’re not all that, but they need to be turned loose at some point. Do it the right way and hopefully they should make something happen!

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by Mangoman on Dec 21, 2010 3:44 PM PST reply actions  

I wish

We could find a way to adapt our offense to the QB, instead of the QB to our offense.

It’s part of the reason Martz is so hot and cold, he runs his offense, regardless of the players on the team. So if he has the right guys, he is great, wrong guys and he stinks. It would be nice if there was a little give and take, and we put the QBs in the right position to succeed instead of playing mind games.

by hudd07 on Dec 21, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I totally agree

And the problem is we’re not doing that. We kind of have the right idea with both of them because they both are ok with running, but if Sing wanted to have a running offense, why couldn’t he make the QB a part of his philosophy? The fact is for the most part you’re right, he does not adapt the offense to the QB, and that is why we’re in this situation. We could be a running team, but he needs to figure out in what context. Our personnel is practically screaming to go back to a west coast style of play. The problem is we don’t run enough of that type of offense to make it legit. He needs to know that this is NFL offense. You don’t get successful in running an NFL offense if you’re going to make it clear to the whole league that you’re going to “hit people in the mouth”. You possibly could, but not by running the ball up the middle more than half the time!

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by Mangoman on Dec 21, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

If you wan't someone who can make things happen when turned loose

Then that would be Troy Smith. If you want a (disciplined) passing attack then you would go with (Alex?) I hate to call Alex disciplkined though because he just breaks down so easy.

Bottom line is the coaching situation and the quarterback situation have been pretty bad here for a long time.

"People are on to us right now. They're got our number. We have to regroup and start doing something a little more different. I'm not saying we're predictable, but when you've got the opponent out there calling out plays, and they know what's coming, then we've got a problem. They know what plays we're calling. They pretty much know what routes we're running. They pretty much have us down right now." -
-- Jerry Rice

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I chose "other"

49ers will use both QBs at the same time, wildcat formation. Why not?

by reedkrase on Dec 21, 2010 4:03 PM PST reply actions  

This made me laugh
“I watched some of it. I didn’t watch much of either one. I was kind of watching film, so I didn’t really watch much of either one.”

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by Haggardninja on Dec 21, 2010 4:06 PM PST reply actions  

Kind of

He stares at the screen, but doubt he watches it.

It’s like Eminem says about people that listen to music, half the time they rock out to it not really knowing the lyrics or what it says or means. Singletary is same way I bet ;-)

“Ooooh, aaaah, look at all the colors….”

by hudd07 on Dec 21, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

He watches the defense play and fast forwards the offense

Unless there’s a really good hit on Alex then he rewinds it a couple times and smiles a little.

"People are on to us right now. They're got our number. We have to regroup and start doing something a little more different. I'm not saying we're predictable, but when you've got the opponent out there calling out plays, and they know what's coming, then we've got a problem. They know what plays we're calling. They pretty much know what routes we're running. They pretty much have us down right now." -
-- Jerry Rice

by Pat Willie on Dec 21, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

So true about the music thing

like people thinking Springtsteen’s “Born in the USA” is a patriotic American rah, rah song.

by smileyman on Dec 21, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I bet that's frustrating for an artist

To make this awesome cryptic song that means a lot to them, and some punk kids or old housewives are turning it into an anthem or something they can do the funky chicken to.

by hudd07 on Dec 22, 2010 12:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I doubt it

I think most artists are either too high to care, or they could care less about the punks that listen to their crap as long as they make their money.

I’m rarely impressed with musicians anyway, it’s been a while since I’ve heard anything with lyrics that reveal anything “new.”

"People are on to us right now. They're got our number. We have to regroup and start doing something a little more different. I'm not saying we're predictable, but when you've got the opponent out there calling out plays, and they know what's coming, then we've got a problem. They know what plays we're calling. They pretty much know what routes we're running. They pretty much have us down right now." -
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by Pat Willie on Dec 22, 2010 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

It's all about the electronic music

It’s not about the lyrics, it’s how the music makes u feel.

I’ve been to too many raves man…

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by Joshpreet on Dec 22, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Then don't make it so damn cryptic

if you don’t want people misconstruing the meaning of your whine-bag song while you cash multi-million dollar checks and bang dozens of hot groupies while you tour across the globe.

by mr. instigator on Dec 22, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Born in the USA isn't exactly cryptic

which is what the original topic was about.

by smileyman on Dec 22, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Neither

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by Rumskee on Dec 21, 2010 4:52 PM PST reply actions  

Same as the other 53 ...!!

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by Edggy on Dec 21, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

The other 52

win games more often with Troy !

by TIM___ on Dec 21, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

To be fair...

In Alex’s starts, the opponents current combined record is 54-30 (.643). Granted, that is excluding the Panthers game (Alex only played a few snaps beyond halftime before David Carr stunk up the place). But even including that game, the opponent’s record is still well above .500, (56-42 – .571).

In contrast, Troy’s opponents combined record is 29-41 (.414). To me, it seems all too convenient to pin the wins and losses on the quarterbacks that started these games, but I’m not so sure the outcome would have been much different either way.

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by Effage on Dec 21, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Good points

I’m not an Alex hater and believe that the QB gets too much blame with a loss and to much credit with a win much of the time.

I’m not exactly sure who I would start in this game if this was my decision but I would bet Singletary starts Alex because of that “whole playbook” rational.

There’s something about Troy’s competitive attitude that shouldn’t be discounted or dismissed.

by Jaxson876 on Dec 21, 2010 7:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree. For instance, I think the defense as a whole and the offensive line were just as responsible for the wins and losses, no matter which Smith was quarterbacking.

Personally, I would go with Alex for that same rational. He seems to be playing at a decent level right now.

And yeah.. I think Troy has long-term potential to be very good. Although, if we switch to the WCO next season I’m not so sure he would be a fit for that offense. With time I bet Troy could be fantastic in a run-heavy, play-action/deep passing offense, just like I think Alex would be much better in a shotgun heavy spread offense with short and intermediate passing.

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by Effage on Dec 21, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I think both could be a good fit for the WCO

Ironically it might be easier to teach Alex the WCO philosophy because he does have the ability to have a good command of the short/medium passing game. The only thing is whoever is coaching at the time will hopefully also encourage him to take more advantage of his mobility. He does come from a spread offense background, but his passing skills and running ability look like they could make him adaptable to the WC style.

Troy may actually be more adaptable to the WCO because he’s not necessarily a pocket passer & seems to do pretty good when he’s throwing on the run. It would probably be a matter of him perfecting his passing skills because WC requires exceptional precision & accuracy.

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by Mangoman on Dec 21, 2010 10:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Good points

I really think Alex would be very good for the WCO, though I think the closer you get to what he ran in college (spread) the better for him. But yeah, while Alex isn’t very accurate when plays break down, he is quite accurate on designed roll outs (which are a staple of the WCO). Side Note: I actually recall Norv Turner discouraging Alex from running because he wanted to develop him as a pocket passer first and foremost. While I don’t disagree, I have a hunch that might have screwed Alex up by making him force passes rather than tuck it and run. After all, if any advice ever stuck with Alex, I bet it was Norv Turner’s advice.

Troy’s mobility would definitely be utilized as well, but I think his desire to go deep and his apparent lack of short/intermediate accuracy… it makes me wonder how effective he would be in a WCO. I think Troy would fit a Norv Turner offense perfectly (Norv also utilizes mobility, but he likes the deep play action pass).

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by Effage on Dec 22, 2010 1:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

Troy would have to work on his accuracy if he’s going to be a decent WCO QB. But man if he can do that, watch out! If he can be effective when combining the shorter and long throws, he could possibly be really good.

I’m not so sure Turner discouraged him from running. I seem to recall one of Alex’s best games was at Seattle when Turner was OC and Alex pulled off that great naked bootleg for a TD. He needs to be encouraged to develop more of that. Heck it was his running that could have changed the momentum of the game. At least in the early going.

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by Mangoman on Dec 22, 2010 7:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Could have changed the momentum of last Thursday’s game that is.

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by Mangoman on Dec 22, 2010 7:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Troy has a high ceiling… if he can hone in the accuracy. And that is a big if.

Oh, Norv absolutely discouraged it. That naked bootleg was a designed run, so of course he wanted him to run (and Norv moved the pocket a lot to utilize his mobility). I’m referring to when plays break down. He wanted Alex to always stay behind scrimmage looking to throw (basically what Big Ben lives on). And yes, many good quarterbacks do that. However, there are plays when quickly deciding to run will keep the drive alive and move the chains… and I bet there are a lot of incompletions and interceptions that wouldn’t have happened if Alex ran more often. He seems to only try to run once or twice a game, and to me… a guy that mobile should utilize it more often (See: Aaron Rodgers).

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by Effage on Dec 22, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Seriously

Donovan McNabb has rushed almost twice as much as Alex and has a higher average per rush, yet he’s older and at this point in his career is likely not as mobile. Granted McNabb’s passing numbers are kinda meh. But that still should be a sign to our coaching staff. We’re not using what we have to it’s full potential. With a line as raw as we have, shouldn’t Alex be encouraged to tuck it in more often?

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by Mangoman on Dec 22, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

speaking of mobile QB's

I look at Aaron Rodgers and it’s amazing how they incorporate that guy into GB’s offense. He’s of course the leading passer, but he also is their 2nd leading rusher and has 4 rushing TD’s. This is what I’ve been thinking as of late. If you want to be a running team, that’s ok., but incorporate all the strengths you have into it. And if it includes the QB, so be it. At risk of opening a can of worms, I want to say our offense has a world of potential. Our HC/OC just has no idea what to do with it!

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by Mangoman on Dec 22, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I honestly agree

People are calling to cut many players at the end of the season (Alex of course being the most obvious) but I just want a real HC. Whatever that HC wants will be fine with me. I know that just a coaching change will bring out more production from the same group.

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by Joshpreet on Dec 22, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly.

If a Gruden, Harbaugh, or Holmgren of sorts comes in, I’m good with whatever they decide to do. And regarding Alex: If they want Alex gone, I trust their judgment. If they think he should stay, I trust their judgment.

Singletary, on the other hand… lol

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by Effage on Dec 22, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

interesting

I’d be curious to see what Alex could do with McDaniels as OC running the N.E. offensive system. He made Orton look like a stud with has been wr’s.

by darkhorse_2000 on Dec 21, 2010 10:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I'd actually love to see that

My only concern is Alex isn’t the most accurate short passer and the NE offense is completely built on timing and accuracy to produce YAC.

by hudd07 on Dec 22, 2010 12:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Me too

Hmm.. good point, though. Alex does get a little erratic on the short stuff at times.

Hmm.. good point, though. Alex does get a little erratic on the short stuff at times.I’ve felt this since his rookie season until this day: Alex’s strength is far and away intermediate passes.

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by Effage on Dec 22, 2010 1:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that offense seems to fit Alex’s tools. Also, essentially the same system made Matt Cassell look really good back in NE. Gives me curiosity…

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by Effage on Dec 22, 2010 1:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Heheh no kidding

What the hell happened to Brandon Lloyd all of a sudden?!?

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by Mangoman on Dec 22, 2010 7:30 AM PST up reply actions  

True...

I wonder why he got cut, though. Maybe they felt they simply didn’t need him (Flacco and all) and wanted to make room on the roster?

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by Effage on Dec 22, 2010 1:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember reading

that with the acquisition of Bulger, they got a steady veteran backup and that moved Troy to 3rd on the depth chart. Because of that i think i heard someone mention that they (Ravens FO) wanted Troy to go to another team where he could start since he wouldnt be starting on the Ravens yet had the potential to.

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by Joshpreet on Dec 22, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Troy was agitating for a trade too

he wanted more playing time. I’m sure that played a part in it.

by smileyman on Dec 22, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just waiting for the day I hear the news: "Mike Singletary fired."

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by Effage on Dec 21, 2010 6:05 PM PST reply actions  

amen

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 21, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

you mean "personal reasons" lol

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 21, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

nate davis please.

when is that C going to come off of alex smith jersey?

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 21, 2010 9:34 PM PST reply actions  

So we're going with the Dan Reeves plan?

Nah. Both will only play if there’s an injury, we’re down three scores, or again shutout at the half. He’ll go with Alex but make sure that Troy has some reps to step in if needed. It helps that Troy will be facing a team he already against and defeated (same next week s AZ). Perhaps this even some motivational ploy by Sing to make Alex feel the pressure.

The only dishonest thing Sing said was that it wasn’t “cat and mouse.” Of course it is, and good for him. Make the Rams prep for the guy that already threw for 356 yards against them, and the guy with more experience.

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by SpurredOn on Dec 21, 2010 11:07 PM PST reply actions  

um

On whether he had that conversation with them yesterday:
“No, not yesterday. Sometime before today.”

Is Singleterry dyslexic?

Alex Smith is garbage...

by redrum21225 on Dec 22, 2010 12:07 AM PST reply actions  

or maybe I am for misspelling dingleterrberry.

Alex Smith is garbage...

by redrum21225 on Dec 22, 2010 12:08 AM PST up reply actions  

So it obviously was Thurs, Fri, Sat or Sun?

I mean seriously, what a stupid way to answer a question. Basically he accomplished the same thing as saying a couple days ago.

ME – Hey Redrum, did you go to the store.

REDRUM – Why yes, yes I did.

ME – Yesterday

REDRUM – Not yesterday, but not today either

ME – Uh ok, so basically a couple days ago?

REDRUM – Let me look at the film

by hudd07 on Dec 22, 2010 12:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Haven't read all the comments yet

but my initial reaction is, the fact that Singletary would in any way consider a new starter right now is mind-blowing, and pulling Alex would be scapegoating of the worst variety.

by Rhombus on Dec 22, 2010 12:20 AM PST reply actions  

I haven't seen anyone point that out

Although at this point, I’m not so sure it has anything to do with scapegoating as it has to do with searching for a way to win.

But yeah… if he pulls anyone, he should probably pull one of the dozens of other players that played like crap on Thursday. In that sense it would seem like scapegoating (to pull Alex). But if he does play Troy, at least we know Troy had his best game against the Rams.

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by Effage on Dec 22, 2010 1:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Arizona used an interesting QB rotation with Warner and Rattay in 2007

It was moreso out of necessity, because of Kurt’s elbow injury that made it difficult for him to throw within the red zone.

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by Amigo on Dec 22, 2010 9:51 AM PST reply actions  

Just heard on KNBR: Troy Smith starting Sunday @ St. Louis.

Siiigh, lol.

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by Effage on Dec 22, 2010 11:32 AM PST reply actions  

As my daughter would say.

Whatever.

So I guess Troy did catch up on offense in two weeks? Or is Singletary devoid of clue?

by Mindless on Dec 22, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

From what I'm hearing...

It sounds like Singletary told MC to prepare two QBs… and I’m not so sure MJ found out who was starting until today.

So… I would go with the “Singletary devoid of a clue” option.

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by Effage on Dec 22, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

please tell this is a sick joke. They had the weekend off and they still waited until NOW to gameplan? Hey guys, want us to spot you a few points at kickoff. Sing, “need to look at film and I’ll get back to you”

by mcwagner on Dec 22, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know what to tell you… lol

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by Effage on Dec 22, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I really don't want to over analyze his choice

I don’t think anyone should or they’ll go brain dead! But the only thing I can get from this is that maybe Sing feels like Troy can provide the better all-around threat. They don’t defend the run or the pass well. I’m just hoping he’s planning on Troy slinging it medium to deep early on and hopefully use his feet on a regular basis if the throws aren’t quite there. Other than that, who knows.

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by Mangoman on Dec 22, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Eh, all we can do is hope Troy lights it up.

Then again, as an NFL fan.. I can’t really face a 7-9 division winner. So in a way I want the Rams to win out. But i can’t root against the 49ers, so I am conflicted.

Dammit… why couldn’t we already have 8 or 9 wins so this would be a moot point? Sigh.

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by Effage on Dec 22, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn You,

David Carr
Nate Clements
Drew Brees

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by Joshpreet on Dec 22, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

+

Matt Ryan
Anthony Davis

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by Effage on Dec 22, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I... huh?... why?...

I dont understand what he is thinking…

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by Joshpreet on Dec 22, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Headscratcher, indeed.

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