Official NFL Draft Thread 12/26/10 [NEW]
by Drew Kerr on Dec 26, 2010 4:51 PM PST
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PrintDrew's note to the 49ers: Thanks, thanks a lot Niners... for the awesome Christmas present this afternoon. No really, you probably sealed Mike Singletary's fate this afternoon. So, with sincerity, good job!
Now on to business...
Earlier in the year, I put together a positional ranking post. And although it has not changed much as far as top 5's are concerned, I am going to list my top 5's draft eligible players at each position. These are my personal views based on multiple factors. Not everyone will agree with these, so for the sake of being empathetic to all of our pain, and how this season was a disaster, let's keep things civil.
On to the board...
QUARTERBACKS
1. Andrew Luck - QB - Stanford
2. Jake Locker - QB - Washington
3. Colin Kaepernick - QB - Nevada
4. Cam Newton - QB - Auburn
5. Pat Devlin - QB - Delaware
RUNNING BACKS
1. LaMichael James - RB - Oregon
2. Mark Ingram - RB - Alabama
3. DeMarco Murray - RB - Oklahoma
4. Kendall Hunter - RB - Oklahoma State
5. Noel Devine - RB - West Virginia
WIDE RECEIVERS
1. A.J. Green - WR - Georgia
2. Julio Jones - WR - Alabama
3. Justin Blackmon - WR - Oklahoma State
4. Ryan Broyles - WR - Oklahoma
5. Leonard Hankerson - WR - Miami
TIGHT ENDS
1. D.J. Williams - TE - Arkansas
2. Mike McNeill - TE - Nebraska
3. Lance Kendricks - TE - Wisonsin
4. Luke Stocker - TE - Tennessee
5. Cameron Graham - TE - Louisville
TACKLES
1. Derek Sherrod - OT - Mississippi State
2. Gabe Carimi - OT - Wisconsin
3. Nate Solder - OT - Colorado
4. Marcus Cannon - OT - TCU
5. Anthony Castonzo - OT - Boston College
GUARDS
1. Rodney Hudson -OG - Florida State
2. Jason Pinkston - OG - Pittsburgh
3. Orlando Franklin - OG - Miami
4. Lee Ziemba - OG - Auburn
5. Stephen Schilling - OG - Michigan
CENTERS
1. Stefen Wisniewski - C - Penn State
2. Kristopher O'Dowd - C - USC
3. Tim Barnes - C - Missouri
4. Mike Pouncey - C - Florida
5. Zane Taylor -C - Utah
Defensive rankings will come later this evening or tomorrow. Feel free to start throwing out your top 5's on some of the defensive positions...
Also, don't forget to rec.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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Do the panthers want luck?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
LOL @ Raye
But I think the two OL picks in the long term are going to be very beneficial to us.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 26, 2010 5:16 PM PST reply actions
Reply fail
Sorry that was in reply to HH
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 26, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
What does everybody else think about the NFL future of Cam Newton?
Ryan Verdugo, my adopted son, strikes out 13.2 per 9 innings in his career. He has a 1.63 ERA in San Jose this year. Call him up to be a Flying Squirrel. He is also a member of the "Giants who went to LSU" club with Mike Fontenot, a.k.a Grant.
I think he'll be solid,
but i’ve seen that a lot of people think he’s going to be like vince young or any other run first college qb that cant really succeed in the nfl.
www.kapayne.tumblr.com
He can pass
It’s just whether he will put in the time to succeed. He has the accuracy and the talent.
I have said this a lot, is he Russell, or Freeman. Similar types of QBs, but different preperation.
I don't like those style of QBs
Vince Young has done a decent enough job but I think that’s the ceiling on that kind of play style.
N.A.A.S.T.
Please explain what "those style" means
Because he’s an athlete?
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Dec 26, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
Do you understand that college coaches determine the style which a QB must play with?
Not the other way around.
As a college head coach, your job is to win games in college. Period. If you get an amazing athlete at the QB position, then your job is to create as many mismatches and advantages as possible for your team.
In the case of Cam Newton (like many others), his coaches determine his “style” from year to year. If he went to another school that ran a pro style or vertical offense, then would you generalize him into that “style” as well? Chizik would have been an idiot to tell Newton to just drop back and sit in the pocket when he can bulldoze most college defenders repeatedly and create mismatches on the outside with his speed backs using the option attack.
Every prospect should be evaluated based on how his tools and abilities translate to the next level. If you can’t see through the play calling and actually evaluate his quarterback skills, then don’t judge the player.
Cam Newton has some skills that translate very well to the next level. Some others are unproven at best. Unproven does not mean he cannot do those things. It simply means you DO NOT KNOW. That’s the risk taken when drafting guys out of certain offensive schemes, but that is also why scouts get paid… to figure it out.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Dec 26, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
So blame his college coach for me not being interested.
N.A.A.S.T.
by bignerd on Dec 26, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Me too
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Right...
Except when your opinion gets in the way (ala Colin Kaepernick). Forming an opinion and then twisting reality to match your opinion doesn’t make much sense to me.
You don’t like mobile QB’s like Newton, but then Colin Kaepernick is the 3rd best QB in the draft.
You don’t like spread QB’s like Moore, but then Colin Kaepernick is the 3rd best QB in the draft.
At least be consistent if you’re going to use a criteria to evaluate prospects.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Dec 27, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
Correction
I have no problem with mobile QB’s… Steve Young was one of, if not the best in history.
I have a problem with Newton specifically. I am plenty consistent with all of my analysis.
Your opinion doesn’t mean anything to me these days anyhow.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Hey Drew
Is there a way to analyze each QBs success at long passes, short passes, under center, in the shotgun and most importantly, reading defenses and making adjustments?
I think it is more of what skills do they use and have they developed. If they can’t read a defense and make good adjustments in the passing and running downs.. then they will not succeed for the most part.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Do you mean college QB's or Pro?
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
College is tough
Pros there are plenty of sites that have those breakdowns, pro football focus being the one that comes to mind first
Me 3
Cam will get to the next level and learn real quick that doesn’t work unless you’re as fast as Vick.
Untouchable speed kills at any level. Being a guy that’s bigger, stronger and faster than most college players does not kill at the NFL level.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 27, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Again
NFL coaches will stress his quarterbacking skills more than his running skills. This means he’ll go through a typical NFL rookie learning process in addition to learning new nuances about the position. If a quality organization with good QB coaches gets him and he takes the time to learn then he should be fine. His throwing mechanics, velocity, and arm strength are all NFL caliber which means he is capable of being an NFL QB in my opinion.
Anyone dismissing a dual threat QB out of college just because of their college team’s scheme is doing themselves a disservice.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Dec 27, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
his quarterbacking skills aren't that good
He’s had 4 games this year where he had more pass attempts than rush attempts.
One was against Louisiana-Monroe
One was against Mississippi (admittedly a great game)
One was against Chattanooga
One was against South Carolina
In other words he relies almost exclusively on his feet and he’s not near fast enough to make it in the NFL.
Lol
I thought that this would be written on Monday. Can we get a GM thread.
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QB Rankings
You are suppose to put Newton ahead of Kaepernick, put Mallett at #4 and the
Kapernick or Moore at #5.
No I'm not
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Colin Kaepernick & Pat Devlin over Ryan Mallett?
Any reason why, he was the 3rd highest rated qb in the nation behind Cam Newton and Kellen Moore
He led one of the toughest conferences in passing yards and touch down passes.
Is it the system he played in because watching him play with his size, arm strength and athleticism he looked like a Big Ben/Joe Flaco type player.
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Dec 27, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
I don't like him because he stands like a statue in the pocket
Other than that he looks like a great QB
Kellen Moore is awesome
He is not very mobile
I do know Flaco and Big Ben can move a lille bit. From a shotgun and rolling out he looked more athletic then he did in the previous year.
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Dec 27, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
Its not his athletic ability its the fact that he doesn't move in the pocket
Kellen Moore is awesome
Gotcha
I was watching film, you tube and ESPN highlights, but it showed Mallett slide in the pocket and deliver strikes while looking down the barrel of gun so to speak. While he was doing good things it was a highlight video and not a whole game. He looks like he will be a good pro to me, and a good fit for our team as long as our line develops, because he looks about as mobile as Peyton or Rivers.
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Dec 29, 2010 12:25 AM PST up reply actions
you don't need to be mobile to be a good nfl qb
but you cant be a statue. There are whole game links on the sec website.
Kellen Moore is awesome
'cause his footwork is atrocious... he is a statue in the pocket... and he really didn't get too accurate
until he had a better Oline this year. 5 seconds or less and his passes look like ducks. His game just won’t translate to the next level
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Foot work looked that bad?
Now he completed 66% of his passes but he has a 3 ballers at wide out and a freak at tight end. By not being accurate do you mean not leading receivers and not throwing people open?
He does stand tall in the pocket but I didn’t think that he was too un-athletic he was just big and not a threat to scramble.
He just looked big enough to see over his line and deliver the ball, and he has a really good play action fake and not scared to take a shot before delivering the ball.
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Dec 27, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
and in his freshman year 40%
and his sophomore year 50%
His line is allowing him to “seem” better than he really is.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
So, you knock on Mallett is that he has progessivly gotten better and more accurate from year to year in college?
To each his own, but you haven’t conviced me he doesn’t belong in the top 5, nor do I see Colin as anymore than a next level back up. Plus, he may choose to go the MLB route.
No need to argue; these QB rankings speak for them self
Ryan Mallett not in the top 5, Nevada’s QB in the top 3, Jake Locker still in the top 2? The evidence is there. I don’t even need to place any adjectives in here for you to see where I’m going with this.
1. Pat Devlin 2.Jalil Brown 3. Kendric Burney 4. Tyler Sash 5.
the fact that you refer to him as "Nevada's QB"
makes it hard for me to take your opinion seriously.
it sounds like you don’t even know who he is, but are knocking him as a prospect based on where he goes to school.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
it happens all the time
that players move up and down the draft charts based on their school
Kellen Moore is awesome
He did this last year too, no worries.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
MLB?
He has played zero college baseball. What gives you that impression? ‘Cause he was a good HS baseball player? C’mon man!
And I said 100 times already…. Mallett has not progressively gotten better, his time in the pocket has.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
mallett at number two
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 26, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
I would have Moore in there too if he was declaring, but he's not.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Guard and Tackle
We are already too bulked on the lines. We did draft Davis and Iupati, but should of put Secondary in there, say FS/SS because Goldson might get paid by another team in offseason and we need an upgrade at CB.
goldson sucks
and earl thomas woould have been sweet or devin mccourty
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 26, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
Panthers
If Luck comes out, and thats a big if because of a possible lockout and being only a redshirt sophmore and staying in Stanford with Harbough, though choice but might stay. If he stays, it makes the Panthers feel easier and they will choose between AJ Green, Da’Quan Bowers, Nick Fairly or Marcel Dareous. If he does, keep Claussen and draft Luck but they will have to keep Moore, you can’t have a second year that struggled and a rookie coming offseason. They would probably trade Claussen because they can’t afford to pay 2 young QB’s.
clausens cheap
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 26, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
For that kind of money
They will take a OL or somebody that wants to be the first pick and take lesser money.
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clausen will be better if he had someone to throw to.
carolina receivers suck.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 26, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
They're off of Niners Nation site
See the link in the introduction to the thread. He worked those out earlier this year.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 26, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
Read the intro
says they’re his own opinions, also based off of an earlier positional rankings.
www.kapayne.tumblr.com
Yeah I reread that after I posted.
I thought they might have been with Colin ahead of Cameron and James ahead of Ingram.
Weiss will bolt to CAR and keep Clausen
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Why will Charlie Weis bolt to CAR?
As a HC I’m guessing? And no, I don’t think we go after him as a coach nor should we.
I think our sights are on Gruden or Harbaugh, and that’s it.
Not sure I see CAR going for him either.
They’re more the type to have a D based HC. If that makes sense.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 26, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
theyve tried and failed.
If they want to bring in an offensive guy and with their current qb so they can draft for one of the best defensive prospects and help both sides of the ball. Weiss is best suited to work with Clausen and yes a HC job.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Trade?
Any possibility that 9ers trade for a qb, say Kevin Kolb or Matt Flynn?
york mentioned draft, so?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 26, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
is Vince Young a good option?
This would only be temporary until our drafted Qb is developed. Plus, maybe under an offensive minded coach he may be able to flourish.
we suck. but theres always next season.
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Dec 26, 2010 6:58 PM PST reply actions
Not sure I like where his head is
To be the leader of an offense.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Dec 26, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
Last time we drafted a qb we got Alex Smith!
Not saying we will bust again but getting someone already minimizes the risk. KC did that with Matt Cassell and it worked out for them (except last year) but you get my point. We can use our 1st rounder for a cb or def end
NFL Draft thread...
HC thread, GM thread, OC thread, QB thread, we’re going to need a lot of threads this week…
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
Don't need OC thread until we have HC
and by that logic, probably don’t really need a HC thread until we have a GM, but no fun in that because most of us know nothing about good GMs to be able to talk about them at length. I mean who would be on people’s list of GM candidates beside Tuna and the Walrus.
You aim at player personnel and scouting department people
For example, Reggie McKenzie ( Director – Football Operations – Green Bay Packers) is interesting. He’s been with the packers in a scouting/personnel aspect since 1997 and you can see how well the scouting department there has done. He’s easily responsible for most of the talent the packers have right now.
Eric DeCosta ( Direct of Player Personnel – Baltimore Ravens) is also another interesting choice. He is new to the job but was in charge of scouts for recruiting alot of Baltimore’s young talent in the past 6 or 7 seasons.
There are better options and more well known names I’m sure, but you generally aim at people who seem to know what they are doing and are just below the person who gets all the credit ( look at Scott Pioli for KC, Dmitroff for the Falcons, etc. )
Decent names you tossed out there.
Reggie McKenzie could be good, but Eric DeCosta has pretty much has the same title and responsibilities as Baalke so why would you want them over what we already have?
That being said...
Clements is just awful now. I really want these players in this order:
Luck
Patrick Peterson, CB LSU
Prince Amukamara, CB Neb
Cleveland really stole Joe Haden, he looks like a top CB already
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
I remember the rampant hating on Joe Haden here at NN
Prior to the draft.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Dec 26, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
Really........
That was the best line you could come up with? LOL. Haden has had a good rookie season, let’s not take anything away from the guy.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Dec 26, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not going to pretend weather doesn’t play a big part in helping all those defenses in the AFC North. He has had his best games late when the weather has been bad. I still think this years draft has much better CBs. Not to mention another guy blindly ripping Clements when he’s the least of the DB problems.
N.A.A.S.T.
Much better DB class this year I agree
Haden was always legit, I just think his lack of top end speed really scared a lot of people. I liked him, because game film trumps the combine, but I was worried. I wouldn’t have staked my life on him that’s for sure. As for Peterson, no question or concerns with him, I think he is the real deal. So is Prince for that matter, just to a slightly lesser degree.
Plus your not going to un-convince me of my hate of Joe Hadden
I still wouldn’t pick him 7th if the draft could be done over.
I’m going to hang onto it like my hate of Josh Freeman who will prove me right one of these days. He’s Daunte Culpepper 2.0, those fumbles will come back eventually.
N.A.A.S.T.
Freeman is legit. What did he throw for 5 TDs or something today?
Guy is GOOD. Rookie year and already like 5 come from behind wins?
Haden I can see the hate, Freeman I’m shocked.
A 23:6 TD:Int ratio is pretty good for a 22 year old QB in his second year, but what do I know I’m just the man blindly bashing Clements.
Did you watch today’s game? Clement’s was a step behind all of the receivers, had that horrible PI interception, and missed a number of tackles. I wanted to see Brown in there instead.
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
I would have rather seen anyone else but those two (Clements or Brown)
Brown stinks too.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Agreed. The only one I thought was decent was Spencer, but he was awful as well today. It was a shame because our D-Line was playing really well stopping the run and even getting a little pressure off those 4 man rushes…
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
Spencer? he has quietly been our worst cb for two seasons.
Jed York, I am in your corner.......Parcells please. Gruden and Billick, I hope you're not considered.....
dude got lucky yesterday that a little bit of the wr foot stepped out.
people calling for clements but should it not be spencer?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 27, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
I don't really care who is the worst or best or best of the worst
….ALL OF THEM SUCK
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
by Drew Kerr on Dec 27, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
↑↑↑THIS↑↑↑
i would bet money that the 49ers never even make it to the NFC championship game with Nate Clements OR Shawntae Spencer starting, so who cares which of them is better?
they both fall into the category of “done evaluating, must replace”.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Dec 28, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Come one man.
yes they have had their issues but to say they will not make it to the nfc championship is nonsense. they may not be the best but to me the real issue is our safeties in particular goldson. he needs to go. better safety will improve the cb play.
The niners have had excellent defense with both of them playing and starting. So to say that will we never make it to the nfc championship with them is nonsense.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Teams will learn Freeman quickly... his flaws are very exploitable
I agree with the Culpepper comp
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
I don’t know Culpepper had Cris Carter and Moss which is a lot easier to throw to than Mike Williams and Benn… Also watching Culpepper he always took sacks when he should’ve thrown it away, leading to his injury problems… Freeman is a lot better about getting rid of the ball in dangerous situations from what I’ve seen.
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
Wouldnt they be on top of it already,not to mention hid veiling hasnt been reached.
The Culpepper comparison is off simply because he had Moss, and a young Moss. Freemans success is with less talent, far less.
Jed York, I am in your corner.......Parcells please. Gruden and Billick, I hope you're not considered.....
Agreed
I’d put Freeman’s receiving corps on a level (if not lower) with Brady’s in his early years. And for that matter (as Jamie Dukes points out way too often) look at Bradford’s receiving corps.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 27, 2010 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
Seriously peeps were wrong about him here. Man up and admit it.
I didn’t think he’d be a lockdown. I figured he’d be a young, successful Nate Clements and he’s a little better than I thought.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 27, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't like him for the Niners...
He would have failed here anyway with the coaching staff we had.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
wtf, failed after one season?
Jed York, I am in your corner.......Parcells please. Gruden and Billick, I hope you're not considered.....
Yep
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Also, we NEED to lose next week
The Cardinals are the only team with a lower SoS than us, and we have the same record as them. If we lose, we could land in the top 5.
Right now it’s
CAR
BUF
CIN
DEN
ARI
SF
but if ARI, DEN, CIN, BUF win we could go as high as 2! ALL ABOARD THE TANK!!
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
Im all for losing if we could go aS high as #2, it would make it cheaper to swap picks with Carolina; yet the way we’ve been screwed this season alex smith may just decide to throw for 400yds with 3tds while our defense destroys AZ offense.
by ninersince94 on Dec 26, 2010 7:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
alex has always lost every game were he throws for tons of yardage.
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 26, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Im all for losing if we could go aS high as #2, it would make it cheaper to swap picks with Carolina; yet the way we’ve been screwed this season alex smith may just decide to throw for 400yds with 3tds while our defense destroys AZ offense.
by ninersince94 on Dec 26, 2010 7:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
if this is true... then...
The right man for the Job is……. David Carr come on down!!!!! haha
Oh hell yes
Count me in! Even if we can’t swing a trade for Luck (which would be brutal), we can certainly get a damn good player like Bowers.
Why on earth do you want the #2 pick in the last season where rookies are gonna make a kings ransom
nobody in the draft this year, (including Luck who is overrated), is as good as Suh, Bradford, Berry or Thomas and Thomas went 14th.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 27, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
There is depth at CB and DL where we need players
Get value for our pick and enjoy drafting 10th or so. We’ll get somebody we need sliding to us and not overpay for him. I’m so glad we moved up to 11th last year to get that tackle we so desperately needed in Anthony Davis. He wouldn’t have been around at 14th or 15th.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 27, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
we missed the safety that was really really desperatly needed in earl thomas.......
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 27, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
why is andrew luck over rated?
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 27, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Then we'd have Luck ;) (pun intended)
Then we’d have Luck ;) (pun intended)
Week 17 games that matter
Cinci vs Baltimore
Dallas @ Phili
Minn @ Detroit
Buffallo @ NYJ
Jacksonville @ Houston
Pitts @ Cleveland
Arizona @ SF
SD @ Denver
Kellen Moore is awesome
rec if you agree:
instead of drafting any new starters for the o-line, we should leave it intact (o-line coach included) for next year and see what some continuity can do for our o-line. if it doesn’t work out, then we can address it in the 2012 draft.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Dec 26, 2010 8:45 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
There wont be any xontinuity. There will be a new system, new coach and style and with all the injuries, essentially putting 5 guys together for the first time.
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
Nate clements: Hey coach, had you put a better gameplan together, i wouldn't have fumbled!!
Mostly have health problems at C and RG
Staley doesn’t get banged up a lot (other than this year), so with him and Iupati and Davis, we have majority of the line returning healthy next year.
by REDANDGOLD8 on Dec 26, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
and last year
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 26, 2010 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
Late round C/G would be nice....
but I doubt we draft a starter, unless that late round guy turns out to be a steal.
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Ahemm IMO RBs
RUNNING BACKS
1. Mark Ingram – RB – Alabama
2. LaMichael James – RB – Oregon
3. Ryan Williams – RB – Virginia Tech
4.- Shane Vereen – RB – Cal
5. Kendall Hunter – RB – Oklahoma State
I wouldn't put Ingram over James.
Anthony Dixon is bigger and just as good. I think that Ingram is a good RB but he isn’t even the best on his team right now. LaMichael James is a burner and is a change of pace back that we could use. Although smaller than Ingram, he still runs up the middle with no problem and has the ability to cut and change direction like Barry Sanders. James would most likely be the fastest RB comming out if he does come out at all.
by ericalancanty on Dec 26, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
Saying Ingram isn't the best back on his team
Has no bearing on whether he’s the best HB prospect in the 2011 draft.
Ingram is an every down back with speed, power, and vision. James has speed and vision. Both are great backs, but I’d take Ingram over James any day for the future.
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by youALREADYknow on Dec 26, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
lots of people wern't high on Chris Johnson before he was drafted (wasn't built like Ingram)
But where is Chris now? Besides, James will most likely fall to the second round because of his size so you would get more value from him.
Also the last great back to come from Alabama was……Coffee, where did that get us. Ingram is a good player but isn’t going to be as good as most would like.
by ericalancanty on Dec 27, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Chris Johnson
Ran a 4.24. Enough said.
And Glen Coffee was not a great back. Not even at Alabama.
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by youALREADYknow on Dec 27, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Agree... at least someone here sees things for what they truly on.
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And what are they really seeing Drew?
So LaMichael James is 6 pounds lighter than Chris Johnson….. when did Johnson stop being an every down back? I must have missed that one, I should pay more attention.
Besides, James would be a better fit for our team as we already have Gore and Dixon.
Logic would say, why have 3 of the same type guys when you could mix it up like the better teams do. It’s not like the Niners make great decisions about situations like this but maybe thinking out of the box could do you some good.
by ericalancanty on Dec 27, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
I was agreeing with you
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depends on the scheme they play in.
Jed York, I am in your corner.......Parcells please. Gruden and Billick, I hope you're not considered.....
I like Vereen but he's not a top 5 RB
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Ingram is a fraud.
Dude ran for 100+ yards TWICE this season. He has one of the better lines in the SEC and more importantly he doesn’t have to face his own run-destroying defense. And he ran for 800 yards with all that talent around him. Fraud.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 27, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Oh and did I mention
There were 4 games this year he averaged less than 4 yards a carry. Including losses to SC and Auburn. Wouldn’t want him with the pick we took Glenn Coffee with.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 27, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
You are going overboard.
What the hell else was on that offense? In a Shanahan scheme he’d rule.
Jed York, I am in your corner.......Parcells please. Gruden and Billick, I hope you're not considered.....
Are you aware that he was injured?
And splitting carries the entire season?
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by youALREADYknow on Dec 27, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Top backs don't split carries in College like they do in the NFL
They are feature backs that get breathers.
And Adrian Peterson didn't
What’s your point? Anyone can just throw one name out there. I’m just saying, the legit RBs coming out of college typically are featured backs and don’t share carries.
Darren McFadden, Felix Jones, Tashard Choice, Cadillac Williams, Ronnie Brown, Reggie Bush, Marion Barber. Just a few off the top my head that split carries in college.
Digital Garbage
Mcfadden not a top back?
look up his stats.
bush is good for what he does and asked to do.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
It’s just a counterpoint. You’re right, most top backs in the NFL are featured backs in college. There are some present examples of successful running backs in the NFL that shared carries in college though. Ronnie Brown is the first name that comes to mind, without researching any further. He split time with Cadillac Williams, though Cadillac has had less success in the NFL. You’re right that the legit RBs in the NFL were generally the primary backs in college, but Ingram shouldn’t be considered a fraud just because he did.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Dec 28, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
spillitng carries should increase his YPC.
it keeps you fresh and allows the offense to use you situationally rather than just whenever they need a run play.
if he averaged less than 4 YPC that many times while splitting carries, that’s a red flag.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Dec 28, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
or decrease it.
some backs need that one big play a game to increase their ypc.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Mikel LeShoure is a top 5 back IMO
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Yeah right...
why? ‘cause drafttek says so? I’ve seen him play since 2008… he’s barely getting over 1000 in his third year behind a pretty decent line at Illinois. He will get chewed up in the NFL. Cuts are slow, acceleration is slow, and he’s too big to make anyone miss.
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His vision is the reason
He hits holes with a purpose and doesn’t dance around. That’s a big part of being a back in the NFL.
If he does run a 4.6+ like you claim, then obviously that is a different story. If he can run in the 4.5’s then he’s a top 5 back in this draft.
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by youALREADYknow on Dec 26, 2010 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
Vision means squat if you have no speed to make it to the hole
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
and besides… how do you know he has good vision? Have you seen his views through a helmet cam or something? Trucks could be driven through the size of the holes his Oline creates for him.
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Top 5 Back
So I guess by that standard EVERY SINGLE BACK that has had ONE 1000+ yard season should be a top 5 RB? That makes no sense.
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Not about stats alone
I like what I see from him running AND this HB class is extremely weak. Thus he’s top 5.
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by youALREADYknow on Dec 28, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
No it's not... but ok, whatever you think man.
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The HB class isn't weak?
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by youALREADYknow on Dec 30, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
If I was in college, I would be out if I was eligible.
This could be the last big payday for rookies coming in. This may be a very stacked draft ’cause of the possible new wage scale with a new CBA.
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Yes
That was my thinking too. That’s why I think it’s almost guaranteed that Luck comes out this year. Why would he pass up being the #1 pick in the NFL draft and a bigger paycheck than he would get in 2012?
one would think he would see Matt Leinart as a perfect example of why to declare now.
Plus, if there actually is a lockout, he can use his bonus money to finish his degree anyway.
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Please, please, please
Draft a cornerback that can actually cover a receiver.
Did we have ANY pass defenses by the DBs yesterday? It seems like they can’t cover ANYBODY.
I suppose Clements is our “best” CB right now (although this is saying very little), so we’ll have to put up with him for a while longer. But get that first round draft pick corner in there from Day 1 and let’s shore up that position. I am damn TIRED of seeing opposing QBs absolutely shred our pass defense. It just sickens me.
Just saw this link posted on Mocking the Draft
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/caneswatch/2010/12/21/brandon-harris-85-percent-chance-hes-coming-back-to-um/
Sounds like there’s one less CB to choose from.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 27, 2010 5:35 PM PST reply actions
whew, you scared me for a second there.
then i actually read the article:
There is one caveat: Harris said he hasn’t heard back from the NFL yet regarding where he might be taken in the draft. If Harris gets a first-round evaluation from the NFL Draft Advisory Board, it’s difficult to see him returning.
so there you go, as long as the draft advisory board does their job, he can still be our immediate future.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I hate when people write stuff up just to grab attention when it really not true or does not make sense. lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Drew have a slightly off the wall question for ya.
Kinda asked it on the Little Caesars thread. You liked Gaitor from FIU last year. Would you consider getting him in the 7th or UDFA a good pick by us? I’m guessing you would but thought I’d toss it out there.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 27, 2010 5:46 PM PST reply actions
Oh definitely...
I think he would without question be an upgrade over Brown. Plus we have two sevenths. I just am not sure if he is more of a 6th rounder… possibly even 5th.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
But the two corners I'd like to see drafted would be
Patrick Peterson and Omar Bolden. Bolden is prob a 4th-5th.
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Possibly even Minnifield from Virginia
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Interesting inputs..thanks!
What about Cortez Allen from the Citadel? Like him?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 27, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
Well, too be honest, I read somewhere that Andre Roberts used to get the better of him in practice last year.
But he does have good height and he may just be one of those guys that doesn’t practice well. However, he only has a couple picks this year and not too many PD’s.
I will try and find the article.
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Cool just looking at some ..
late round and/or UDFA CB’s (and may look at some WRs too)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 27, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
What about...
Ryan Mallett?? i think he might be a good pick up in the 1st round mostly because the kid is got a strong accurate arm and plays just like a Pro. Not to mention he has the size to boot.
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Drew K gave his opinion on him, I think he would be good my self but he makes some good points.
I think with how good our line COULD be with our young horses turning into studs his lack of mobility behind a good like with frank gore picking up the blitz would no be so much of an issue if he was comfortable and knew where to go with the ball.
I saw Jake Locher last year live when they beat Cal… He was phenomenal… I know he had a bad year but he played on a horrible team. I wonder how he would be with talent around him?
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Dec 28, 2010 12:41 AM PST up reply actions
i would, but its just too many comments to read, BUT
i agree with wat you said. Jake Locker could also be a very good choice at QB if Mallett were gone by the time our pick came up. I just think that Mallett is the more underrated QB alongside Locker out of all the QB’s in this year’s draft and that they both will do very well in the NFL. I would be good with either QB on the team.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
The thing about Mallett
Is that he’s probably a boom or bust pick at QB. I think he has tremendous upside in the right situation.
I’d put significant money on the line that Mallett will be an elite NFL QB if you put him behind a great OL and give him some speed at WR. I can’t say the same for any of the other QB’s in this draft.
If you put him in a situation where he’s forced to always move out of the pocket or needs to run a more West Coast oriented offense with shorter timing routes, then I wouldn’t even select him in the 3rd round.
Every scheme/team has to be taken into account when evaluating QB’s.
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by youALREADYknow on Dec 28, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
I’d put significant money on the line that Mallett will be an elite NFL QB if you put him behind a great OL and give him some speed at WR.
Blanket statement. The same thing could be said for just about any quarterback entering the draft. Any average (or less than average in Mallett;s case) quarterback can look good behind an elite Oline.
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Not really
Any QB can look good behind an elite line, but not every QB can be elite. See Mark Sanchez for quite a good example.
Not every QB has the ability to become elite. I think Mallett has that ability while obviously you do not. He’s not the right fit for every team, but if he ends up in the right situation I think he’ll pay huge dividends.
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by youALREADYknow on Dec 28, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
are the niners playing for #2 pick on Sunday?
that we have a chance at number two pick and worst case is 13nth pick?
So Sunday the
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Question for the group
Would you rather see Dontay Moch or Sam Acho being taken by the Niners at OLB?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 28, 2010 5:28 AM PST reply actions
hmm...
Dontay Moch looks really explosive. with good coaching he could be a stud 3-4 OLB in 4 years or so.
where is he expected to get picked?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
video links for both:
Dontay Moch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gtsE4RxIt4
Sam Acho: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfKcMbuFycs
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Not sure how much of that Moch clip
was him and how much was Missouri seeming to have a pretty bad OLine. That line seemed to collapse a lot, and not just for him.
The reason I asked is that a number of sites I’ve perused have had Moch higher in their rankings than Acho and by a good bit. Guess they all fell in love with that supposed 4.25 40 he ran.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 28, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
acho looks better in those clips
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
For those waiting on the defensive rankings
I’ll try and have those up tonight. I have a bunch of writing to do for upcoming bowl games.
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who wishesthe niners traded the panthers for their 2011 first round pick
instead of their 2010 first round pick?
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New thread up with defensive top 5 positional rankings
http://www.ninersnation.com/2010/12/28/1901413/official-nfl-draft-thread-12-28-10-new
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