Is It Time For The 49ers To Free Nate Davis?
by James Brady on Dec 27, 2010 9:30 AM PST
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Disclaimer: I am not, under any circumstances, claiming that Nate Davis is the future, our savior or anything of the sort. This article is advocating the desire to see if he can show flashes of any of those things. There is no Nate Davis bandwagon at this point, at least as far as this article is concerned. Unless someone says it outright, assume that "Free Nate," implies "I would like to see what Nate Davis can do in a regular season football game." I cannot be more clear than this.
The 49ers future at the quarterback position is not on the 53-man roster, and there's a good chance it's not on the practice squad, either. Alex Smith has exhausted his stay in San Francisco, and barring a new offensive-minded head coach who sees something in him, he'll be gone next year. Troy Smith was a promising experiment for a short while, but he too appears to be on his way out, or at the very least relegated to a backup role for the future.
David Carr is David Carr.
It's just clear all-around that the quarterback position is one of the top two weaknesses on the roster, next to cornerback. The 49ers can't get the ball to receivers, and they can't stop the ball from getting to opposing receivers. They're not the catalyst for the losing season, but they're a huge contributor, to be sure. Now the 49ers are out of playoff contention, and Mike Singletary has been relieved of his duties as head coach. One game remains, against the Arizona Cardinals on Sunday. Who makes the start for the 49ers?
Why not Nate Davis? It's a longshot that he can be "the future," but he knows enough of the playbook to go out there and play. It's never alright to just lose a game to lose a game, but there are folks already hoping for the best draft positioning possible, so why not try the practice squad quarterback? There really isn't much of a reason to not go with him. First, a couple things regarding Nate.
Nate is dyslexic, it's a learning disability at that point. It doesn't mean he has trouble calling plays or leading anybody, it doesn't mean he sees everything backwards in his head. His particular case simply impedes his ability to learn the playbook by normal means, he needs visual aids and the things of that nature. He's a project, and everybody knows it, but right now he's our project and we may as well see how far along he is.
During the preseason, we saw a lot of good things from Nate. Using a very limited playbook, he made some very good throws and showed good poise under center. While under pressure, Nate had the propensity for buying as much time as possible with his feet before making his throw. He has very good deep accuracy, but his decision making on the deep ball might not be the best. His arm strength is elite. I recall one play he hustled to the right side, and when he was about to go down, he sort of flicked his wrist and the ball sailed somewhere around fifty yards where Jason Hill would have made the catch if not for pass interference.
There's physical tools there, and he has the ability to know and utilize a playbook, it's just about seeing how well he can do it and if he can do it any time soon. The big problem now is, when the 49ers bring in a new head coach, he will come with a new offensive coordinator, which will mean a new offensive system for Nate to learn. Still, I'd wager whoever this new coach is can handle a quarterback better than Singletary and Co. Either way, what's the reason for not starting Nate on Sunday? What I'm looking for is tangible, regular season NFL action against a team that will be trying.
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let the kid play
and show off that howitzer for a right arm!
We all know PATRICK WILLIS is our future!
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It's against the Cardinals
So really, why not start Nate Davis? What can happen that hasn’t already happened? I’ll tell you: we could find out how Davis responds to being in an actual NFL game that isn’t labeled “exhibition”, even though essentially the game is meaningless. David Carr was the biggest waste of roster space in the history of the 2010 season, Davis could’ve been stashed as the 3rd QB instead of on the practice squad imitating other defenses in the league. That could’ve given Davis an opportunity to learn the playbook, because as it stands, I can guarantee you Mike Johnson will have about 13 plays Davis can run. Even with that limited set, start Nate and let the cannon arm fly.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 27, 2010 9:37 AM PST reply actions
meaningless game
And even though it means nothing for the playoffs, it’s still better than preseason action because you’ll likely get four quarters of starters still trying.
by David Fucillo on Dec 27, 2010 9:40 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
two teams at 5-10
are going to have starters not just fighting for the win, but for jobs in 2011. Even though the game is meaningless in the standings, it’s still 100 times better than preseason action for Nate Davis.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 27, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
I would like to see ALL of the rookies and PS given a chance to play in a regular season game!
I’d like to see Nate Davis, Anthony Dixon, DeShawn Wynn, Nate Byham, Colin Cloherty, Kyle Williams, Kevin Jerovich, Bakari Grant, Alex Boone, RJF, Will Tukuafu, NaVorro Bowman, Trad Gibson, Keaton Kristick, Tramaine Brock, Chris Maragos, Taylor Mays, CJ Spillman, and Fabrizio Scaccia all have an opportunity to play on regular teams, not just special teams. (Well, OK, Scaccia only on ST.) Why not? What do we have to lose? And, it would provide some film for the new coaching staff to evaluate.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Dec 27, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Wont happen
Simply because we would have to waive guys to make roster spots for the ps guys. We can waive Carr for Nate, but then what?
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by See Jay on Dec 27, 2010 10:59 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
i do however
Agree that we bench the stars and start every young gun we have, as I outlined in my post below.
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by See Jay on Dec 27, 2010 11:00 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yep none that require waivers to get in.
Davis, Dixon, Byham, KW, Boone, RJF, Tuk, Bowman, Gibson, Mays, and a big yes on Scaccia.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 27, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Ok here you go goes to cut: Carr, Moron Norris, Barry Sims (He’s a FA anyways)
That’s 3 right there you could cut to bring other guys to the front. Honestly looking at the chart here:
I am surprised at how many FA’s this and next year we have. (Some players are missing from this list from their disclaimer)
2011 FA’s:
Alex Smith (Gone)
Troy Smith (Gone)
Barry Sims (Gone)
Brian Westbrook
David Baas
Tony Wragge
Ray McDonald
Demetric Evans
Aubrayo Franklin
Manny Lawson
Takeo Spikes (at least 1-2 more years, then LB coach)
Dashon Goldson
2012:
David Carr (Gone now)
Frank Gore
Moran Norris (Gone now)
Josh Morgan
Ted Ginn Jr.
Adam Snyder
Chilo Rachal
Eric Heitmann
Cody Wallace
Ahmad Brooks
Reggie Smith
Joe Nedney
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Doesn't work like that.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
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by James Brady on Dec 27, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Please explain because i can’t see anywhere where it says players can’t be cut at any point, and players from practice squad cant be brought up at any point
BTW funny thing about looking for rules regarding cutting players i came across this gem from here
Mike Vick
The Eagles need a quality backup for starting quarterback Kevin Kolb. The Eagles don?t need a season-long sideshow from a wildcat gimmick who simply isn?t prepared to serve as Kolb?s understudy.
So the Eagles should seize on the recent controversy involving Vick to close the door on the failed one-year experiment with him.
Even if Vick stays in Philadelphia, the Eagles need a competent veteran backup with experience in the West Coast offense. So they should just dump Vick now, sign Jeff Garcia and move on.
Pride and ego could get in the way. The Eagles went out on a limb last year to sign Vick, and cutting him now amounts to an admission that they never should have signed him in the first place.
By the way, they never should have signed him in the first place.
Founder of team Omté Caspeen
Sigh. I know what the rules are, but organizations don’t work like that. Not all practice squad players are there because they believe they have a future with the orgnization. Nate Davis is one of them. Teams don’t just cut reliable veterans (Barry Sims) and respected veterans (Moran Norris) with one game remaining just because they want to see practice squad players. They make room where they need to at positions of need, ie quarterback where they might want to see Nate Davis.
For the record, Sims probably still has a place here. He’s played decently.
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This.
The new coach/GM may clean house but that’ll be their prerogative. The only people I really see being cut (besides Wynn now) is Carr.
I think Sims is done, though. He’s 37 or soon-to-be and with Staley and Boone healthy and playing well, I don’t see why we’d keep him around. FWIW he’s been a lot worse this year than last.
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well he has been needed the past two years.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 27, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
there are only 52 on the roster right now.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 27, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Just a thought
If we play Nate how ready could he be by game day? He’s been running the practice squad all season, with the dyslexia i doubt he’ll be able to learn the first team offense.
this, mostly
he’s gotten very few (if any) practice reps at QB during the season
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That metaphor got away from me.
If he hasn't been studying all season...
… during every free second of his free time,he deserves to be cut after this season.
knowing the playbook
and knowing how the plays actually unfold on the field are two different things, and you can only get the 2nd by actually practicing them.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
He knew enough to run to offense in preseason.
The offense hasn’t changed. He’ll just be limited, and a lot of his natural tools will come out
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by James Brady on Dec 27, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
at the least he outplays skelton
and i can brag all off season out here that our 5th rounder is better than your 5th rounder lol
We all know PATRICK WILLIS is our future!
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Why do I keep hearing the Willy Freeman song from Any Given Sunday?
That is meant both good and bad. Have to reluctantly agree to give him a shot. We know what we have in the other player (dang I sound like Shanahan there and not in a good way), so why not. So long as he’s not endangering other players give him a shot. Give KW a shot as well. I know it’s not a preseason game but it is meaningless. Put in some of our iffy players, try some things. See what you have.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 27, 2010 9:44 AM PST reply actions
It could also swing their draft pick something like 9 places.
2nd at highest
11th at lowest.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 27, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
rooting for
broncos, bengals, bills, browns, lions, texans, cowboys, and vikings . . . still can’t root for the cardinals though according to ESPN if the 49ers lose they’ll be guaranteed a top 5 draft pick. http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/30192/updated-2011-nfl-draft-order-top-11
David Carr come on down!
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by Widowwolf on Dec 27, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
well, I hope they lose
so I hope they don’t give him any snaps during the week, then start him anyway.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 27, 2010 9:51 AM PST reply actions
I would like to see him just for the heck of it
But that’s it. If he’s not shown enough to be protected on the 53 man roster, it’s hard to see how they could start him.
One game should not significantly affect the team’s evaluation of him, and so at that point there isn’t a compelling reason to play him.
Note the lack of a hyphen.
Put in others as well.
Put in RJF at NT give him some looks. Put Tuk in give him some looks. McDonald at Justin’s place give him a full start. Gibson and Bowmann in as well. Dixon in for the full game at RB and put Byham in as FB, let’s see how he fits there.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 27, 2010 9:52 AM PST reply actions
And for those who think I'm saying throw the game
I’m not. I’m saying put in guys we think have potential for the future of our organization, both big and small. These guys just want to play football and they will probably work their buttocks off actually trying to win.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 27, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
I'm going as well
and I say tank.
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by bonbrillio on Dec 27, 2010 10:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Reply fail below
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by bonbrillio on Dec 27, 2010 10:27 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I want Troy or Alex
Because I’m going to the game, and would love to see a repeat of the last time we played the Cards. It’s depressing enough being a Niner fan, and I’ve never seen a Niner loss in person.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Raider Mentality
I’m going regardless because there are more important things than winning, and more important things in life than football, but this is just my preference.
It’s funner when you have lots to cheer about. The beer will be just as cold and the brats will tbe just as tasty either way.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
More than QBs at stake
After Mike Johnson assumed the OC role, Singletary kept him on a tight leash (according to what I’ve read at NN). I’d be willing to let Alex start this one last time using whatever Johnson can come up with, no holds barred, because he’s coaching for his job. Whether he’s retained by the next coach or not, he’s auditioning too.
"(I)f you think you've got an inside track to absolute truth, you become doctrinaire, humorless and intellectually constipated." Saul Alinsky
Not gonna happen
They will start Smith… Alex. I can’t see the D-line coach making any drastic changes.
I wouldn't be surprised if thadeus gibson plays
manusky seems to like to let rookies out
Mind as well toss him in there , give the new G.M. and H.C. some film on him ...
… whom i don’t want to see in a Niner uni any more is Troy , Look’d like a V,Y, type of melt down , and to think Sing was prolly one of a few coaches to give the kid a chance , and he act’’s like that … See ya …!!
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Meaningless game?
I think singletary was fired before next week’s game in an effort to tank. This game has enormous draft implications because both us and the cards will be drafting a qb. But since bought tickets to this game a while back- I want to see Nate mutha site decorum Davis.
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by bonbrillio on Dec 27, 2010 10:23 AM PST via mobile reply actions
No I think there were other reasons for it
I don’t think tanking was the idea. I think that viewing prospective GM and HC candidates are the concept. I at first looked at it as “Why the heck do that?” And no one gave that as an answer but to get the search on earlier does make a modicum of sense.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 27, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
If we were going to tank, we would have stayed with Sing.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
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by James Brady on Dec 27, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Sing would've pulled off a meaningless win
see josh morgan touchdown (and injury) at the end of the KC game
Aha! Exactly - no sing gives a better chance of tanking.
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by bonbrillio on Dec 27, 2010 2:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah let's start Nate
Although it’s not a meaningless game, we need to lose so we can pick ahead of Arizona and get Luck!
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Niners are not getting luck…
Carolina, Bengals, Denver and Buffalo will also go for Luck…
also …even if the Niners lose…Cardinal should have the higher pick (same record…Niners have tie breaker with better conference record)
None of those teams are a lock to take QB #1 overall.
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by See Jay on Dec 27, 2010 10:35 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Carolina: Definitely
Bengals: Maybe…maybe not…Palmer is getting old and I think the team is prime for rebuilding
Buffalo: will absolutely go for a QB
Denver: Maybe…maybe not…depending on coach.
Arizona: Definitely
Arizona and Carolina both took two QBs last year, so it doesn’t make much sense to do so again when both teams have soooo many holes.
Bengals, maybe, it will depend if they trade Palmer, but he hasn’t had THAT bad of a year; he’s better than any niner QB who played this regular season.
Buffalo has Fitzpatrick, who has had a pretty damn good year and will likely be around next year. The Arizona/Carolina situation (sooo many other holes) applies here, also.
Denver has Orton under contract for another year and drafted Tebow last year. They have talent at QB, both proven and unproven, so I don’t see them going QB #1 again, and even less so trading up to first overall.
As I said, none are a lock, though it’s certainly not impossible.
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by See Jay on Dec 27, 2010 10:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
QB is now the most important position by a mile…everyone is looking at Detroit, Atlanta, and the Rams as seeing how important a good QB can mean to a team…
Is this supposed to be a refutation of what I said?
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by See Jay on Dec 27, 2010 10:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
No really a refutation…just discussion that teams are much more willing to draft a QB high than any other position…all those teams are currently above the draft board than the Niners…
IDK about all that
Denvers already got 2 QB’s Carolina drafter Clausen and Pike last year so I’m assuming they’ll give them a chance to develop before running out for a QB. Cinci might just take the bait on luck but they’ve seemed pretty content with Palmer all these years just like we have Smith. Buffalos got Fitzpatrick if they take a QB I say we trade for him because that guy is smart and if he had the weapons we do he could become an elite QB. I also think that if we can’t get Luck try and get Matt Flynn from GB. It’s not about draft rankings it’s about talent and intelligence at QB. Flynn’s learning from Rodgers who is gonna be a HOF and just like the Matt Cassel expirement I think he could really help our team. Hell he did well against the Pats in his very first start.
by oldskooljohn on Dec 27, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yup if BUF drafts a QB
lets go for Fitzpatrick, he can throw pretty good and has a Harvard degree
"We are not a charity, we cannot GIVE them the game." -Mike Singletary
What would you trade for FIRST
draft position? I’d give Carolina both this year’s and next year’s #1. Would that do it?
I guarantee that Carolina will take Luck if they can.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 27, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
based on what?
Not being a jerk – honestly wondering.
Either way, I’ve been saying we should trade up to first overall.
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by See Jay on Dec 27, 2010 11:04 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Luck is as good of a QB to come out of the draft as there can be, and Carolina has nothing but terrible quarterbacks. Clausen wasn’t a #1 pick last season. He’s locked into a completely non-restrictive contract, he wasn’t scouted well, and he hasn’t played well. Pike is a 6th round pick who they gave 12 passes before saying “that’s enough!” I’ve already said this in the past, too… but if they thought so highly of Clausen to begin with, why would they draft Pike later? They took the best of what they viewed as bad options and hoped for the best.
Nobody, and I mean nobody gives up the chance to get a guy like Andrew Luck because they already have terrible quarterbacks who are playing at historically bad levels signed to nonrestrictive contracts.
And that’s before even considering the possibility of a coaching change.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 27, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly.
I felt as though Carolina took Clausen because everybody expected them to.
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by James Brady on Dec 27, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
But I do believe that Carolina may be looking for a vet moreso than a draftee.
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by James Brady on Dec 27, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough.
I still think we should try to trade into first overall, but barring that, I wonder what Clausen could be had for? He’s probably not worth the 2nd they spent on him last year, but might be a worthwhile project for a lower pick.
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Every QB is a project
No newly drafted guy can come in and just dominate.
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alex smith is still a project. lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Trading up for Luck probably isn’t possible, but it would likely be fantastic. Barring that, Clausen would be interesting to look at, but only after we look at a lot of other guys. Seems like there are a lot of worthwhile names who are either coming free or might be available. McNabb, Fitzpatrick, Palmer, Kolb, Stanton, Orton, Wallace, Young, Gradkowski, and Flynn… a serious case could be made for making a run at any of those guys before even thinking about Clausen. And that’s without even considering the sub-Luck draft options.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 27, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
And you might be able to add Alex and Troy to that list if you’re feeling generous.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 27, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
although I think Clausen might potentially be better than any drafted QB not named Luck or Locker.
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I'd take Mallet over Clausen or Locker
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
yes sir
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Niners would be 5-11 Cards would be 6-10
by wtlichens on Dec 27, 2010 10:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
also we would win s.o.s. i thonk
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by See Jay on Dec 27, 2010 10:49 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
also we would win s.o.s. i think
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by See Jay on Dec 27, 2010 10:49 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
No...it's would be pretty much a preseason game
If he does well…it really means nothing and may even convince some people that he is the answer for the next year…
Nate Davis…passed up every other NFL team…
yeah!
I’m with chesapeake. Sit all the stars and start every young gun we have. Dixon and Byham and a bit of Wynn even, Gibson, Kristick, Bowman, Boone over Sims, Tukuafu, RJF, Mcdonald, Brock, Mays, and yes, Nate Davis. Deactivate Willis, J. Smith, qbs except Davis and Troy, Takeo, Staley, V. Davis, and either Crabs or Westbrook, leaning toward Westbrook since I doubt he returns willingly.
We have nothing whatsoever to gain by rolling out our best players, risking injuring them. We have everything to gain and practically nothing to lose by rolling out all the rookies and backups to see what they are made of. Win or lose, we will learn a considerable amount about our roster that can be used for next year.
The time has come. Free Nate and Co!
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by See Jay on Dec 27, 2010 10:30 AM PST via mobile reply actions
on the plus side
we own the tiebreaker with every other potential 5-11 team
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
may have to wait until 2nd round for qb
Because we need Patrick Peterson bad.
by wtlichens on Dec 27, 2010 10:44 AM PST via mobile reply actions
yeah
Luck is the only top-10 QB imo, and one of Newton-Mallett-Locker should be there in the 2nd
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Luck is the only QB worth between 3-10 this year
Locker is worth between 15-30. After that its a huge huge step down.
Neither guy is the QB that Bradford is. Luck has a tremendous offensive line and will no longer be able to run over tiny Pac-10 defenders at the NFL level. He’ll get a hard reality check at the next level.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 27, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Success rate for second round QBs is less than 5%
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Dec 27, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
It's time to let 'em loose.
We’ve got absolutely nothing in tangible value to gain now for this last game (save with a loss…ha…ha ha), so give Nate a shot. He can toss for a few scores hopefully.
I’m a Mallett enthusiast myself – if the big fella’s there, take him.
The line must be drawn HERE...
Let all the rookies and back-ups on the field
Inactives should include both willis and spikes (due to their broken hands) and both Alex and Troy Smith.
While I hated people talking about the draft last week, this week, a loss would actually help, especially if we got to see Nate Davis, Alex Boone, Thadeus Gibson, and other rookies play.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Boone, just to see what he’s got. Someone mentioned he was a highly touted high school player.
Coming out of HS he was more highly recruited than Anthony Davis
and this is with teams already knowing he had an alcohol and partying issue.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 27, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
Nothing to lose.
I do think it’s time to see what Nate Davis does in an NFL game.
Keep in mind, I was one of hte people laughing at the Nate Davis fans. He simply never showed signs of being ready for this job. However, with nothing left to lose, we might as well see what he can do.
… But it is the Cardinals, so it can only tell us so much.
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Regardless of what you all may want...
With a new HC the chances of evaluating talent are all but gone.
For Jim Tomsula, this is a chance to add a little to his resume. He’ll likely be seeking new employment next season so he’ll want to show what he can do (within the constraints of 1 game at the end of the season). I know it’s minimal, but every little bit helps when it comes to a coaches resume…
My son is less than enthused
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Poor kid
Soon he’ll have to suffer like the rest of us.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Dec 27, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Hang in there little guy...
Maybe by the time you start college the Niners will make a playoff run.
by Terrell 'Turtle' Hannah on Dec 27, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I voted no
only because I don’t want to see Nate play under this circumstance. I want him to start because he deserves to start, not treat him like charity. If he fails hard? Sure, it’s only one game, but that only guarantees that he’s off the team next year instead of giving him a chance to prove himself next year. Maybe I’m overthinking things, but if Nate is to ever start, I’d like it to be a better time than this.
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OK, what I would like to see
Is Alex Smith play the final Game.
For Jim to go to MJ and tell him: “OK, no more conservative crap. We have players on offense with talent. Lets open this up and show what these guys can do if unleashed. Lets be AGGRESSIVE and keep the petal to the metal even after we score points and never look back!”.
…and then see how the entire team responds. That would tell us more than any indivual player changes might. Mind you, it’s not like everyone would suddenly be coached up to their potential, but we should see more of what this team could have acheived…and might acheive next year.
So you can watch Alex demonstrate the right way(tm) to hold a clipboard?
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Pretty much
If he pays a steep enough price for those tickets he can carry the headset cords around with Alex
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bring him in
what do we have to lose, we lose it means a small step higher in draft, we win…um momentum?
Try him out
It’s not going to hurt anything and he’s gotta be better than the Smith’s. Hell I think almost any NFL backup could throw better balls than all three of the QB’s we have on our roster.
then you really don't know what you're talking about
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 27, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
The QB situation
We need to stop thinking that these college QB’s are gonna come out and be spectacular. The guys that do are usually 5th to 7th rounders. Brady, Rodgers, Favre, etc. Quit wasting number one picks on useless QB’s there’s way more busts in the number one QB pick up then there are that came out and played good ball. We need to get a QB that has experience and intelligence backing up one of the greats. Look at the Chiefs with Cassel great move I was hoping we did the same but our coaching sucks. I’m saying Kevin Kolb or Matt Flynn personally but we’ll probably pick another wash out example Alex Smith first pick 6 year bust. We need to get our stuff together we have the talent all we need is a QB and one more receiving option.
LOL
I call BS.
Starting NFL QBs not drafted in the first round:
Tom Brady (6th)
Drew Brees (2nd)
Tony Romo (UDFA)
Matt Schaub (3rd)
Colt McCoy (3rd)
Matt Hasselbeck (6th)
Chad Henne (2nd)
Matt Cassel (7th)
Ryan Fitzpatrick (7th)
Kyle Orton (4th)
David Garrard (4th)
John Skelton (5th)
Joe Webb (6th?)
While there are some quality players on that list, by and large, they are not a group of world-beaters (Brady excluded). Also, that’s only 13 out of 32 starting QBs, which is quite a large gap. Seems that later round QBs are successful less often than 1st rounders in today’s NFL. It’s insane to say that most spectacular QBs are 5th to 7th rounders. Most successful quarterbacks are picked in the first round. Yeah, it’s possible for a first round pick to bust (see Ryan Leaf or JaMarcus Russell) and it’s possible to score a Tom Brady in the sixth. Most often, though, WYSIWYG.
No more mock draft sig for now...
Then let's carpet bomb the lower rounds for five or six years and hope for a miracle?
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Pretty much. Seems like NFL QBs are either the Manning/Elway/Marino/Kelly mold or are out of nowhere, late round players that stick around for a few years and take over after the franchise guy gets hurt (Brady). The real story is that it’s really, really hard to find a good QB, even at the top of the draft. It’s just really hard to see the difference between a Ryan Leaf and a Peyton Manning or for that matter, or see a Jim Druckenmiller coming.
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I’m looking at Josh Freeman, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan Matt Stafford and Sam Bradford. Even Sanchez. First round is working out right now. I would kill to have Flacco or Freeman. Ryan, Stafford to a lesser extent and then Bradford to an even lesser, but you get the jist.
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Who is talking about being a starter? I’m talking about getting great quarterbacks in the first round.
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by James Brady on Dec 27, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
Sanchez really isn't working out
I can pull the numbers later but basically the Jets lose when he throws and win when he doesn’t.
Yeah, because Sanchez was the catalyst for my point.
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by James Brady on Dec 27, 2010 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
his numbers are improving though
he is not the best but he is only in his second year and improving
i’ll take second year sanchez over second year alex smith all day.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
If only winning was so easy...
Coach: Here’s the plan. You don’t throw the ball. Ever. We win.
QB: Um… Ok, coach.
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He’s still doing fine for a second-year player, and better than I ever thought he’d do, but he’s nowhere near the level of the other guys on that list and his eventual development is still a big question mark.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 28, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I don't get how you can say he's doing fine
2010 stats:
QB rating 75.1 (worse than any 49er QB)
54.8% completion rate (far worse than Alex Smith who’s supposedly a bum)
17 TDs to 13 INTs which isn’t horrible, but it sure isn’t anything to brag on
He’s not completed more than 30 passes in any single game this year
IN fact he’s completed 25 or more passes in only one game this year and that was against Cleveland.
His average yard per attempt is 6.5 which is lower than both Troy Smith and Alex Smith.
He may be a competent backup or a game manager type QB but she surely isn’t the franchise QB the NY media has made him out to be.
some guys need a little bit more time.
all of the other first round picks are doing better then sanchez that were mentioned.
sanchez has a low qb rating due to 54% completion rating.
everything else is improving on.
he has led his time on at least one late game winning drive this year.
and most importantly he is not losing the game for the team like alex smith fumbling or throwing stupid pick late in the game.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
I said he’s doing fine for a second-year player. I didn’t say anything about his stats being good.
I don’t see why we should hold him up to the standards of Ryan, Flacco, Freeman, Stafford, or even Bradford. Those guys are doing fantastic for players in their second year. Sanchez is on a different developmental curve than the slew of absolute phenoms we’ve seen in the last few years. That doesn’t mean he’s setting a bad pace. He’s still developing. Whether or not that development will bear fruit has yet to be seen, but he’s making a fine pace so far.
It’s his second year in the league. Don’t strip my comment of its context.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 28, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
You could say he’s following a similar path as the Jason Campbells and Kyle Ortons of the league. Or even the Eli Mannings or Drew Breeses.
It happens.
Similarly, he could be following the paths of the Trent Edwards or Joey Harringtons.
That happens too.
We don’t know which one it is yet, but we can at the very least see an upward curve in his development so far. That’s encouraging for those who expect the guy to continue to grow. It isn’t definitive. But it’s encouraging.
And I repeat: I don’t expect anything out of Sanchez. I labeled him a bust as soon as he was drafted. He’s already eclipsed my expectations for his career, and I still don’t regard him highly as a prospect.
But, objectively, he’s doing just fine for his second year.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 28, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
I just can't call what he's doing as "just fine"
to me he seems the ultimate game manager type QB, which I guess is all that the Jets need, but based on where he was drafted it’s not doing well.
WR question
Why did we let Houshmanzada go to a team with 2 good WR’s already when we only have one. Retarded. I’ve bee a niner fan since berth through the good and the bad and this is by far the worst and stupidest coaching, play calling, scouting everything I’ve seen. Another question is where the hell is Taylor Mays he’s so much better than Dashon Goldson and he’s not a cocky prick that gets personal foul penalties all the time.
I don't care who starts
I just want to see the QB attempt like 50 passes.
If the game feels boring in the 1st quarter I’m going to stop watching.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
I want Kevin Kolb
he has the arm and the skillset, all he needs is a real shot
I'd say he already had a real shot. Smith has shown more than Kolb.
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I've seen better high school QB's
than Troy or Carr. Alex is done – go with Nate and definitely get Kolb or another experienced backup to go with our draft pick(s). Give the O a QB, a right guard and a 3rd down scat receiver (not fast, just damn quick) and, of course, coaches who live in the 21st century and that side of the ball could be pretty good.
I'm sure you have.
And it’s statements like that, “I’ve seen better high school QB’s,” that kill productive discussion. Believe what you want.
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Much as I'd like to see it, Nate shouldn't play
it would be asking too much of him to come off the practice squad and start in an NFL regular season game with only one week to prepare. The likelihood is it will not go well for him and may destroy both his confidence and his chances of being considered a contender for the job next season. If the new HC and OC think he has the potential, let him have all of the off-season and pre-season to prepare for and compete for the job. If they don’t, they should show him the door and let him have a chance somewhere else.
Yes, let him play!
Let the kid play. I had no idea why Singletary got so mad at him in the exhibition game where he played. I thought, overall, he did a fairly good job.
But then I wouldn’t trust Singletary to evaluate the talent for the dog catcher position, so…
Yeah free him to the waiver wire
We’ll probably be getting another offensive system so it will take another 2 or 3 years before he can figure out how to make the blocking calls.
Gimme 1 round!
Late joining this. I'd be good with giving Nate a shot.
Have him play a few series or a quarter just to see if it’s worth bringing him back next training camp for veteran (even though he’s never played in an actual NFL game) competition.
I presume we’d be putting Adams on IR to make room for him if it was to happen.
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let smith start
alex. and actually use the whole playbook that he supposedly knows. both him and oc johnson are auditioning for a job.
It probably wouldn't kill the vibe in here
But here’s what Matt Maiocco says about the possibility of Nate Davis being signed to the active roster:
RT @timnnguyen Any chance Nate Davis gets playing time Sunday? > Seriously doubt it. He hasn’t practiced 49ers offense since early Sept.
It’s easy to overlook that when we bring a guy onto the PS, that guy is not taught our playbook per se. He’s instructed to act as what we can potentially see from the opponents’ playbook. Bottom line is if Nate were to be signed and plays this Sunday, it may have to be a quick teaching/study project. I don’t know if our coaching staff is willing to go there at this point.
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I don't think anybody really overlooked that.
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actually
I think some people have. I bet there are some people who don’t realize some of the nuances of being on the practice squad.
by David Fucillo on Dec 27, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
I guess. I didn’t write this without the knowledge, though. And I still think “why not?” stands.
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Seems to me that whatever new coach is hired should be given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to picking his QB -
- whether than means cutting Nate or not, trying to re-sign Alex, or whatever.
I’m not sure how meaningful it is to talk about our QB plans when he don’t have a coach, yet.
And I’ve been mentioning his dyslexia since forever!!! I don’t know why people keep thinking that Nate Davis is the answer. He really isn’t. Singletary felt bad for the kid and wanted to give him a try. He later regretted it saying that not only could he not learn the playbook, but he was very immature too. And Niner fans want THIS guy leading our team?? Don’t think so…
by Terrell 'Turtle' Hannah on Dec 27, 2010 6:37 PM PST reply actions
He can throw it 60 yards from his knees!!!!
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Learned the playbook
How can people keep citing this? This came from the OC accused of garbling his own plays constantly on the comm system and the head coach who has never cracked open any playbook. This attack would have more credibility if G Gordon Liddy had said it.
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FREE NATE
Hell ya they should free Nate. Sing got fired for holding on to that PIECEO CRAP Alex and getting rid of Hill. Obviously Hill is ten times the player Alex ever was and so is Nate. He put him in pergitory so there would be “NO controversy at QB” Howd that work out for ya Sing?
not really
Hill has shown that he is not a starting quarterback with limited talent. A good stop-gap or veteran backup, but not what we needed. Sing wanted Vick but didnt get him. All that was left was Carr and it was bad to begin with. Even in hindsight, there was no alternative.
What?
Any idiot could play better than Alex and they got rid of anybody who showed him up. Which was pretty much everybody. Hill averaged about 35 points a game with Detroit. We would be in the playoffs if he was playing for us.
by Faye McKenna on Dec 30, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Let's Start the Guy...
… who Cris Collinsworth was comparing with John Elway in terms of arm strength; who outran a defensive back (and almost tackled him) who would have easily scored had there been any other quarterback trying to chase him; who I thought could become one of the biggest draft steals of all-time in 2009; who had two of the most ridiculous preseasons in the last decade. I give you, Nate Davis. He is our future (assuming he gets the start and Mike Johnson doesn’t totally screw him).
Only if the Giants traded for Brett Cecil...
He has played exhibition games (that we went undefeated, so meaningless) against other third string starters and coaches that do not want to show their defensive schemes. Speed is great, but right now the best quarterback in the league is one of the slowest. He was called out for not knowing the playbook, sat on the practice squad where anyone could take him, and David Carr beat him in camp. I’m sorry. I thought that Alex had the tools to be great, so that shows how much stock we can take in drafts.
I say we start him because we have nothing else. Troy and Alex and Carr have shown us what they are, why can’t Nate get his shot in a meaningless game with an interim coach who has no future as a head coach for this team. If he becomes a reliable backup I will be pleasantly surprised. But the future is a GM with an HC that will want to get their own guy.
HMMMMMMM a Crappy coach thought Alex was GREAT........
Doesnt that say something to you? Alex couldnt throw his way out of a paper bag but was book smart but somehow Nate must be bad cuz Sing said so even when Nates a natural on the field. Ive seen what Nate and Alex can do and Id take Nate anyday,
by Faye McKenna on Dec 30, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, it is indeed a good time to release him.
No other team wanted him, neither should 49rs. Sorry, but this is not NFL level material. He will never be able to function at that level.
Dyslexia, or general laziness, it does not matter. This is not a traveling circus.
Nate Davis sucks – much more then Troy or Alex. Or even Carr.
Did you ever watch a game?
I dont even think your even a Niner fan cuz you certainly dont know anything about QBs
by Faye McKenna on Dec 30, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
Quite the opposite
Anybody who mentions Nate Davis as a possible starter does not no shit about football.
Obviously you dont know squat about football....
if you put any of those PROVEN 6 TIME LOSERS LIKE ALEX ABOVE NATE. Watch a game before you critisize anybody stupidass. Maybe its your stupidity, general laziness or not taking your meds that makes you a terrible judge of QBs. Probably all three, clown.
NATE DAVIS
YOU ALL KNOW THAT YOU CAN CALL ME CAPPER DUE TO MY EYES AND THIS IS THE LAST TIME I MENTION MY EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…………………………..I WANT TO SEE WHAT NATE DAVIS CAN DO BUT THE ONLY THING THAT CONCERNS ME IS WHY DIDN’T ANYBODY SNAP HIM UP FROM THE PRACTICE SQUAD AND WHAT IS THE RULES WITH THE PRACTICE SQUAD IF YOU GRAB SOMEBODY FROM A SQUAD, ALSO WHAT DOES ALL OF THE TEXT LETTERS USED IN THESE POSTS PEOPLE WROTE AS THERE ARE MANY OF THEM AND FOR EXAMPLE WYSIWYG? AND CUT CARR NOW AND BRING DAVIS TO THROW TO WR’S DURING PRACTICE OR START HIM. WE CAN’T LET THIS GUY GO. WE MADE A MISTAKE AND PASSED ON ROGERS AND DESEAN JACKSON IN THE DRAFT SO WE MUST SEE NATE AND PAY FRANKLIN WHAT EVER HE WANTS AS HE IS A PLUG IN THE NOSE AND SOMEONE SAID HE WANTS TO SEE A BUNCH OF ROOKIES AND HE SAYS PS ALSO WHO IS PS? THAXS EVERYONE.
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