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Trent Baalke And The 49ers General Manager Position

Trent Baalke is the current VP of Player Personnel for the 49ers. He is essentially acting as the general manager, alongside Paraag Marathe. He stepped into the role when Scot McCloughan left the team, and though his exact involvement with building and executing the 49ers draft is in question (McCloughan left a week before the draft) I think we can all say that we are at least satisfied with what he was able to do. He's been the acting general manager for a season now, and in a text to NFL Network's Jason LaConfora, Jed was adamant that Baalke would be considered for the full job of general manager.

But he won't get it, if anything Jed said during the press conference means anything. It's clear the York wants a general manager with experience and clout. He has already said that the new general manager will be the guy making the decision as to who would be the head coach, and Jed would not interfere with his decision. The general manager would then make the decision on who controls personnel and scouting, things of that nature. Baalke just is not ready for that kind of responsibility.

More importantly, Baalke does not have the kind of connections necessary to bring in a whole new staff. Tapping LaConfora again, he figures landing Jon Gruden or Jim Harbaugh would be contingent on Jed York's ability to bring stability to the organization, some established structure would need to be in place to make San Francisco an attractive option for head coaches.

Baalke appears to be a solid guy, I like his personality and I think he has the ability to make decisions and an eye for talent. I hope that he can find a place with the organization, but it won't be as general manager. Maybe the new guy will have a spot for him, I'm unsure right now, but it's always worth noting that every time a change of this magnitude is made, valuable coaches are lost. Jed addressed Jim Tomsula and his future with the organization, saying that it was ultimately in the hands of the new general manager, but that he thinks a guy like Jim could stick anywhere, so I imagine he'll be getting a glowing recommendation from Jed. Hopefully Baalke and a couple other guys (cough cough Pete Hoener) do as well. 

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One thing I noticed in the PR was that Jed will not pick the new HC..

So it will be more of who the new GM wants for that position. Many don’t feel that the York’s, including Jed, are a good ownership.. I think they are.. Jed is learning and growing.. He is using all of his knowing.. with his uncle and others, and across the NFL to find the right answers. Often, you hear that to succeed you first have to fail.. that is where you learn. The York’s had some success with Mooch.. but then failed… Jed helped to rebuild the team.. but it failed to reach the playoffs.. now, he is ready, and has the frame of mind, to succeed!

To borrow a phrase from Athleticsnation… “In Jed We Trust”. Having his Uncle helping can not hurt at all.

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by Eastbayjim on Dec 27, 2010 1:42 PM PST reply actions  

personnel

baalke seems to have an eye for talent. in an offseason interview last year, he showed some of the guidelines for talent evaluation that he went through, and one thing that stuck out to me was that he looked at players that never gave up on a play.

we got some miles out of the rookie class (still amazed that the 2 OL played/started in every game this year.) and, aside from Bowman and Williams, they all made positive impacts.

by t p on Dec 27, 2010 1:47 PM PST reply actions  

The new GM will want to get his own staff

EVERYONE is on notice. If you are not doing great, you may be gone. I like a lot of guys, but they have to fit the scheme the new HC will follow. Baalke may step on new guys toes and question him being that he was passed over. We may see a completely new look to SF. Only safe man in my opinion is Rathman who has done good, but more importantly is a novelty to fans who love him from the glory years.

by mcwagner on Dec 27, 2010 1:58 PM PST reply actions  

I agree to an extent

I think a lot of the lower guys on the totem pole could stay. I think the OC and DC are gone, but I think we may see a lot of the position coaches staying. I think we could see Jerry Sullivan, Pete Hoener, Mike Solari, and Jim Tomsula stay.

Baalke could stay too. I don’t think everyone is on notice. A good GM is going to know that he needs to surround himself with good people, and those coaches and people I mentioned are good. Just because we hire a GM, he may not already have his right hand man yet, or the guy might be employed somewhere else. An evaluator of talent, can succeed under any system. I don’t see us blowing up the whole building, but yes, the new GM could bring in some guys he likes, but there is still room for the people I mentioned.

by hudd07 on Dec 27, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Denise York said the 49ers were going to hire a GM..

back during the Hostler debacle.

Baalke has a great shot at the position.

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 2:08 PM PST reply actions  

Oh, and LOL...

at the new category “49ers Head Coach Search 2011”. It almost like an election year.

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn. I need to fire up photoshop and make a Harbaugh/Luck '11 voter button!

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by mikev on Dec 27, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Not so fast...

Peter King said last night on NBC that Luck’s “current plan” is to stay in school – said his source was Harbaugh.

by NinerEd on Dec 27, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't put too much into King's thoughts

he’s almost always wrong about projecting what players and coaches eventually choose

by whistlingmountain on Dec 27, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

That would really be a horrible decision on his part.

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by mikev on Dec 27, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

For 60 million dollars? Hell yeah I would.

And he more then likely would be going to Carolina.

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by Hoopers Judge on Dec 27, 2010 10:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Let’s see…………..yeah I’m sure Jed and Demise are two different people. There’s another moot point.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 27, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Denise owns the team.

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

And I own a car

But I let other people handle the details like tune ups

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 27, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Would you hire Nolan to fix it?

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

At the time, yes.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Dec 27, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

That's actually a really good analogy there

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Dec 27, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno, a lot of people can fix thier own cars

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Not the billionares

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Dec 27, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

So, now the analogy..

has been lost where?

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I could until they got rid of carburetors and put in those fuel injector thingies and computer stuff.

I think this analogy is going off the road.

by Bob In Beaverton on Dec 27, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Most people can

it just depends on how many parts you want to have left over and whether it actually runs is a consideration.

by illini49er on Dec 28, 2010 8:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Questions?

Does it bother anyone that a new CBA has not been worked out yet? I am all for hiring a new GM irregardless, for the reason that there will be a draft and the new GM should be part of the draft.

Still it must weigh on Jed’s mind without a new CBA in place before hiring coaching staff. Do you think this might interfere with Jed and a new GM to pull the trigger on a HC or other coaching positions? I think it factors in and most curious how this works out with a possibility of a lockout next year.

Imagination is more important than knowledge. Less film more creativity please.

by littlejoe on Dec 27, 2010 2:20 PM PST reply actions  

My opinion

Jed will hire a GM to prepare for anything and pay him. The staff however may be paid less if a CBA has not worked out. We still need to move on it

by mcwagner on Dec 27, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably written into the contract.

That money will be deferred to a year we are playing, or just forfeited or something.

by hudd07 on Dec 27, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Confused?

I agree with the GM thing but are you implying the Niners jump on staff and offer less salary before a new CBA and hope the staff signs? This could be tricky.

Imagination is more important than knowledge. Less film more creativity please.

by littlejoe on Dec 27, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

CBA doesn't affect front office and staff

CBA is only with the players

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by bignerd on Dec 27, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope, you are incorrect

Jerry Jones actually has it written into his staff’s contract that if there is a lockout, he can decide whether he wants to pay them while not working or not.

by hudd07 on Dec 27, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Just because Jerry does it

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by bignerd on Dec 27, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Just saying that it's DOES affect the front office and staff

If he did it means it can be done, and probably not the only owner in the league that is doing it.

by hudd07 on Dec 27, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

two other coaches were fired today also.

inside linebackers coach Vantz Singletary and pass rush specialist Al Harris were fired today.

I’ll bet more to follow next week. lol

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 27, 2010 2:55 PM PST reply actions  

Tomsula is a cool dude.

We need his experience and positive motivation skills. Negative motivation does not work as well, this is proven by science.

by wellnesscoach on Dec 27, 2010 2:58 PM PST reply actions  

Just hire Uncle Eddie D. as the Gm.

by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Dec 27, 2010 3:45 PM PST reply actions  

When was the last time you gave your brother something worth a billion dollars?

by Bob In Beaverton on Dec 27, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Especially with the bad blood between the Yorks and Eddie...

Although those tensions seemed to have eased over the past couple of years. I remember hearing stories that Eddie wasn’t even allowed in Candlestick to watch his old team play; not that he’d want to considering the record the Niners have put up since 2002.

by sigma on Dec 27, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

49ers franchise is not worth that

Jed York, I am in your corner.......Parcells please. Gruden and Billick, I hope you're not considered.....

by rlott#42 on Dec 27, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope

Not quite, anyways. Found a reference saying Denise York is not quite worth $1b

No more mock draft sig for now...

by See Jay on Dec 28, 2010 4:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Next 49ers HC

Here would be my opinion to the future GM as to who the next head coach should be: Rob Ryan. Let’s get him in here and make this defense what it should be: dominant. Of the offensive coaching staff, I’d want Tom Rathman and that’s it. Ryan was on the same staff in Oakland with Rathman I believe. Clean house for everyone else, pick a new staff from top to bottom. Make sure priority one is the best OC available. With the talent on defense (and an aggressive coaching staff) after adding a CB & S in the offseason, there shouldn’t be a long trasition from a 3-4 to the Ryan Defense. Justin Smith can play DT or DE in any type of front, and Patrick Willis is inhuman. Those two players make others around them better.

In a more aggressive, suffocating defense, guys like that can shine. Adding a CB like Patrick Peterson in the draft would be ideal, and acquiring a top notch Safety would do no harm. In a Ryan Cover 1 scheme, Mays could be the wreckless safety around the LOS. Having a capable Deep Man is necessary, as is a lock down corner for a blitz heavy package. I’m starting to ramble, but the point of this comment is this: I’d like Rob Ryan to become the team’s next HC. Let’s see if he can be better than Rex, because as much as I dislike Rex Ryan, he has his players’ backs. You’d never hear a Ryan throw someone under the bus (unless it were another Ryan).

Maybe he could sway Russ Grimm into becoming the OL coach and Ass’t HC. Truth be told, I think Ryan (or the GM, whomever gets the trigger) will hire an Offensive Co-Oridinator that will completely run the offense. The only voice Ryan would have in the offense would be that of aggression anyway, it’s in his blood.

by Andrew Davidson on Dec 27, 2010 3:45 PM PST reply actions  

Coaches Solari and Brown have done a remarkable job with the OL. Rachal has improved.. both Iupati and Davis have played every game and are good OLmen now.

Also, Baas was worked in as the center and got better and better… all of that is from the coaches.

The biggest problem the 49ers had is the OC and the QB coaches… they need someone who can work well with the QBs…

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by Eastbayjim on Dec 27, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for that Jim.

I was gonna say that myself so you saved me some typing LOL.
Question for you Andrew, if Fisher becomes available would you still go for Ryan over him? I can’t remember if you stated that in a prior post about Ryan or not.

Thanks to both of ya.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 27, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Fisher is my second coach.

I’d want Gruden, then Fisher. Fisher is one of the best coaches to never win a Super Bowl.

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by James Brady on Dec 27, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL apt way to put it.

Yeah I like Fisher and if we got Reese they already know how to work together. Then get maybe Josh McDaniels at OC (Fisher could keep control of him). Then we move on to FA and the Draft :-)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 27, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah right I dont think those two mesh well, but it would be great to have them both.

I wouldn’t want Fisher to choose his own OC.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 27, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm going to firmly plant my feet in the ground

and say I want Rob Ryan over all other coaches who are available, including Jeff Fisher should he become available. Obviously there would be a few coaches I’d like over Ryan at this point, but they aren’t going to be available.

Also, I’m comfortable if the 49ers go another direction and sign a big name. Rob Ryan is the guy I’m rooting for, but ultimately, I’ll be happy just as long as the 49ers put together a capable and complete coaching staff. Also, the entire staff has to be onboard for doing their job while under contract and not sniffing around for cross team promotions. Maybe that’s a tall order, but coaches that want to win Super Bowls stick together to win Super Bowls.

by Andrew Davidson on Dec 27, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

That's fine

the 49ers have 5 Super Bowl Rings, time to start planning for a foot instead of a hand.

by Andrew Davidson on Dec 27, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd have to respectfully disagree with you

My choice would be Fisher over Ryan. Not saying “your choice sucks!” in any way shape or form, in fact I’d be pretty happy with us getting a real play caller at HC.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 27, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Ryan has never had a top tier defense

With Raiders they were always one of the worst teams vs the run, and without Namdi would probably be the same vs the pass. Cleveland’s defense is nothing to write home about.

What about him says he is good aside from his dad and his brother.

by hudd07 on Dec 27, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I responded in the other topic too, but in 2006 under Rob Ryan the Raiders had the 3rd ranked defense.

by Andrew Davidson on Dec 27, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw your response

Just don’t think one year constitutes a top tier defense.

by hudd07 on Dec 27, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Saw on ESPN that Jed reached out to Uncle Eddie to consult on filling the GM position

…first smart move he’s made this year

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by ronniemac03 on Dec 27, 2010 4:11 PM PST reply actions  

he fired Singletary, so take an F and repost.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 27, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Firing SIngletary was a "fait accompli", not a real decision.

….and even with that, it was always a matter of when, not if it was gonna happen. Only reason Sing lasted this long was because we were still in the playoff hunt.

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by ronniemac03 on Dec 27, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Jed gave Sing every opportunity to succeed since the team was still in the playoff hunt.

He made the right decision at the right time by waiting to fire Sing until now as there was always the possibility that the team could have made it to the playoffs. Also, there was no one on the staff that could have taken over for Sing earlier on. There is only one game left so Tomsula can handle that.

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by Eastbayjim on Dec 27, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Jed is also going to talk to the Patriots president

and ask him what works for the Patriots so well. Music to my ears when I read that.

by REDANDGOLD8 on Dec 27, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Get a Tom Brady and Bill Belichick … you are all good Jed.

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by bignerd on Dec 28, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

he fired Singletary, so take an F and repost.

Jed York, I am in your corner.......Parcells please. Gruden and Billick, I hope you're not considered.....

by rlott#42 on Dec 27, 2010 4:16 PM PST reply actions  

Shouldn't he look at the film first ?

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by Eastbayjim on Dec 27, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

no

Besides that joke has become stale

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by rlott#42 on Dec 27, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Rumors are Jed has spoken to three candidates so far or are candidates for us

Randy Mueller who was GM of Dolphins, fired by Parcells for hiring Cam Cameron

Tim Ruskell who resigned from the Seahawks in 2009, they went 4-14 that year.

and Marty Hurney who is the GM of the Panthers, hired John Fox, and could be gone after their dismal year.

None of whom I’m jumping around for.

by hudd07 on Dec 27, 2010 4:41 PM PST reply actions  

Yesterday

word was that he got in touch with the former GM of the Denver Broncos who was let go in the great denver purge of 2008. He was the GM during the Shanahan years, could be a good fit

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by Camraman926 on Dec 27, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I heard he had contacted some GM Candidates so far

And that he was going to reach out to the Krafts for their opinion on how to run a good franchise. I think things are looking positive. I think my favorite is Reese though.

by hudd07 on Dec 27, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Kirwan was advising on the radio...

that he should talk to Mueller and Casserly and Reese and have good long conversations with them as much to learn what a guy that has been in that situation does as anything. Use the interviews not only as hiring interviews for them but also learning interviews for himself. Could be of vaue to “young Jed” (not using that negatively, I actually like Jed)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 27, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

charlie casserly...

is like the anti-nostradamus. the guy hasn’t been right about anything since the elder bush was president. if i wanted to know about NFL GM’ing in 2010, casserly would be the guy i’d avoid like the plague.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Dec 27, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe

there’ll be a show on Casserly on the History Channel. You know, to break up their Nostradamus programming.

by Bob In Beaverton on Dec 27, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Charlie isn't a bad guy and he wasn't a bad GM...

Building a franchise from scratch is tough sledding and having to do it against a powerhouse like Indy (and then Tenn) makes it doubly tough.

by sigma on Dec 27, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m OK with Randy. Ruskell would be AWFUL. And I know Jed has not talked to the latter two on that list.

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by James Brady on Dec 27, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually misread it

Said on ESPN they are people he COULD talk to. I flew through the article and took it as people he had talked to, because I had been reading that he HAS talked to some people when he fired McC, and has talked to people already this season too.

by hudd07 on Dec 27, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank god.

Eddie D is most likely gonna be a consultant on who we hire as a GM and everything.

by Cameron Laine on Dec 27, 2010 4:48 PM PST reply actions  

if we make Archie Manning GM

Can he get Peyton here? Isn’t he a FA next year?

by wtlichens on Dec 27, 2010 4:55 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Dude....

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Dec 27, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Just spitballing.

by wtlichens on Dec 27, 2010 4:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Hire a GM, hire a GM, hire a GM, hire a GM...

Hire a GM.

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

haha...

i think he’s being a little more informative than that at the moment. moreso than the “hire a GM, hier a GM, hire a GM” presser.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Dec 27, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

He ended it with..

he mentioning one more time of hiring a GM.

Which will probably be Baalke anyway, to go with Billick.

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Baalke and Billick..

just remember who said it first.

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

That would be awful. I do agree with Baalke, but I think he'd go after a coordinator.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 27, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

heyoooooo

No more mock draft sig for now...

by See Jay on Dec 28, 2010 4:46 AM PST up reply actions  

you've really...

got no confidence in jed whatsoever, eh? i mean, baalke and billick would be so underwhelming.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Dec 27, 2010 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really..

outside of typical York lip service, nothing tangible to show real change.

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

isn't

canning singletary “real change” by definition? and isn’t it premature to hand down a sweeping conclusion about “tangible” changes? i mean, i’m agnostic here for the most part, but it seems to me a little bit of cart-before-horse-putting.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Dec 27, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

He had to fire Singletary...

He probably would have fired him if the Division wasn’t so bad to they still having a shot at it until last Sunday. Tangible changes mean a complete house cleaning. If the GM is the one who is going to hire the HC, what are Baalke’s qualifications in the regard? My guess is that if they retain Baalke, they will find an HC who is amenable enough to work with Baalke. That’s not sweeping change, unless it’s Harbaugh or Gruden as HC.

Baalke and Billick, because Billick is desperate for the job.

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

right...

so basically a comment like “no tangible real changes yet” is meaningless if we define “tangible real changes” as “a complete house cleaning.” it’s a true statement, of course; they indeed have not cleaned house. but how could they have at this point?

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Dec 27, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

What I don't like..

is a proclamation of they making changes, when in the past, they have made those proclamations that really has resulted in Status Quo. Jed has made bold statements in the past, as well as his Parents. Until I see a real change, like hiring a real GM instead of Scot or Baalke, and go after Harbaugh or Gruden (who isn’t my first choice) instead of Billick (who would make perfect sense to the Yorks), then all the noise of today really doesn’t mean a thing. They’ve done this before. Unless they take the handcuffs off of Jed, then all this is is smoke.

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

ok...

that’s more reasonable. i think, though, that this situation is demonstrably different than the previous ones. this is the first time a york is basically saying, “someone more knowledgeable about football than i am is going to be hiring the HC.” with nolan, it was john york doing the hiring. with singletary, it was jed york doing the hiring. this time, a non-york (aka a football person, not a businessman) is doing the hiring.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Dec 27, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Which is why..

I question Baalke being in the mix. He ran his first draft last season. Now he is going to pick an HC? Let him stay VP of Scouting or whatever. This interview with Ted gave me less confidence, because even though Jed says he stays out of the football side of it, who he chooses should have a clear vision aligned with his HC. He needs a lot of help in this search. I don’t trust him with the choice on his own.

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm against Billick for one reason above all others

Nolan and Sing were on his staff. It would be like we were ok with the status quo and trying to make the Niners into Baltimore West.

by hudd07 on Dec 27, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Baltimore is pretty good

I’d be ok with being Baltimore-West…

No more mock draft sig for now...

by See Jay on Dec 28, 2010 4:47 AM PST up reply actions  

What did you think he was going to say?

“Baalke’s a worthless piece of crap, he’ll come back over my dead body?”

Do you have incontrovertible evidence that Baalke will ge the GM and/or choose the next coach? If so, link, please. Or a document. Or a sound bite from someone in the organization who has actually said so. Same goes for Billick, who hasn’t gotten so much as a sniff for a HC job in years.

Truth is, if Jed is really as cheap as you say he is, he would have named himself as GM and hired Tomsula as permanent HC 8 hours ago. He didn’t.

And who would you suppose should be in a room with Jed when he interviews GMs? You think it should be some football version of “American Idol”? Or just say who you think should choose the GM – that’s what you REALLY want, isn’t it?

by NinerEd on Dec 27, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess you ddin't hear..

Jed say that Baalke is in the mix for GM. I guess you also are very confused reading that I said Jed was cheap, when I didn’t post that anywhere in this thread. I guess you really missed a whole lot today, and really failed.

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, if you're going to be like that...

…I did, in fact, hear that Baalke was going to be in the mix. I listened to every damn word he said in the PC. I watched all of Tomsula’s portion of the PC as well. And what I DIDN’T hear from Jed was that Baalke was actually going to be the GM, which you are so absolutely sure of.

You are correct in that you didn’t use “cheap.” Therefore, I’ll amend my earlier statement as follows:

“Truth is, if Jed is really as STATUS QUO (a term you actually did use) as you say he is, he would have named himself as GM and hired Tomsula as permanent HC 8 hours ago. He didn’t.”

Happy now?

by NinerEd on Dec 27, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I said...

“which would probably be”. Why? Because Jed reiterated that he already has worked with Baalke, and by most accounts would still have a role even if he wasn’t GM. Jed is most familiar with Baalke.

In case you forgot, Jed is Team Prez. He wouldn’t have to name himself GM. That’s why he want’s to hire one.

Billick is a “name” hire that IMO would be easier to hire with Baalke as GM.

If all else fails due to a lockout, it may very well be Tomsula and Baalke going into 2011, without a long term contract for Tomsula.

No, your post didn’t make me happy. It did make me smile due to all of the lack of foresight.

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you look Sando's email bag?

Besides his typical 10,000 excuses for the Seahawks a familiar face wrote him a question made a statement.

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Dec 27, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, no..

not yet.

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I was expecting a reply by Fooch to tell Geomak to restrain himself and ease up.
Geo just has a way of expressing himself like a 12 year old

by mcwagner on Dec 27, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, read it...

Good thing there is no reply button for Sando’s sake.

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

BTW, really dissaponted..

with Ted Robinson, and I have lost a bit of respect of him. He has fast become Rich Walcoff and JT the Brick all at once.

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

The guy is an employee for the Niners.

I used to tell off my bosses, but I was a shop steward. I’m guessing that Robinson is employed “at will”. I think that’s the term.

by Bob In Beaverton on Dec 27, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I know he is..

which is too bad. When he wasn’t, he was objective and knowledgeable. Now, he sounds like a pom pom waving apologist and excuse maker.

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

a worthwhile poll option may have been...

“Who the hell are they?”

I’m a pretty avid fan but I haven’t heard much about either of these guys. They might be talented, but 99.9% of the football world hasn’t heard of them, which is important regarding the niners current state.

I suspect Jed will hire someone who will bring Gruden home and call it a day.

by mtmoore55 on Dec 27, 2010 5:58 PM PST reply actions  

I really didn’t understand what people thought they were getting with the “need a GM” war call. Most remain nameless. People have probably only heard about five GMs in the last 25 years, including the they’re so bad they are famous ones.

I’ve been on record enough for people to know I don’t think much about the GM position. The 49ers could hire Carrot Top for all I care. As long as he picks a good coach and defers the decisions to the soon to be brilliant coach the franchise will be fine.

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Dec 27, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

It stems from..

fans wanting someone who knows what the hell they are doing in the FO.

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by drummer on Dec 27, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Most of the fans I’ve read were under the illusion Mike Holmgren was coming or New England has some magical farm stocked full of brilliant GMs ready to be picked.

Now that the names are coming I’m sensing underwhelming thud of excitement. Someone who knows what they were doing would be nice but its a profession where 90% don’t know what they are doing. Act like they have clue, throw a bunch of money at a coach than pray.

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Dec 27, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus a gugaplex

Jed York, I am in your corner.......Parcells please. Gruden and Billick, I hope you're not considered.....

by rlott#42 on Dec 27, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Newsome, Dimitrioff

those guys helped turn around their respective franchises. The name isn’t going to excite people, but it can lead us down the right personel path.

by hudd07 on Dec 27, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly

The 49ers need to bring in another outside player evaluator, not promote Baalke to the GM position. I am extremely intrigued in Floyd Reece as an option. Additionally, i believe the 49ers should strongly consider keeping Tomsula, and promoting him to defensive coordinator. However, i understand that would be completely up to the new head coach.

Some names that i have heard in regards to the coaching position do not excite me. For example, it has been noted on national media outlets that Gary Kubiak will be fired from the Houston Texas, and could be a candidate for the 49ers coaching vacancy. I think the only way we bring Kubiak in is as an Offensive Coordinator, not a head coach

"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool

"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"

I like my quote better

by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 27, 2010 6:35 PM PST reply actions  

Kubiak's going to Denver...

…to join Elway, who will be in their FO.

by NinerEd on Dec 27, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Just wondering

If Jed talked to Gruden, Harbaugh, Cowher etc., etc. about who they liked as possible GM. It would be a sly way around being tied to the hire. That way if Jed wanted Gruden as an example he could hire a GM that Gruden recommended. I do like the fact that Jed seems as if he’s more open to soliciting input.

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