49ers Head Coach Search: Jim Harbaugh, Jon Gruden The Focus?
by David Fucillo on Dec 28, 2010 11:16 AM PST
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PrintSan Jose Mercury News columnist Tim Kawakami has tweeted that two of his NFL sources "reiterated" that Jed York is focused on Jon Gruden and Jim Harbaugh as potential head coaches for the 49ers. As Kawakami stated, this would help focus in the GM options. While the GM will hire the coach, I'd imagine Jed York will want to be on the same page with the GM when it comes to philosophy of coaches to hire. That's not exactly breaking news if you look around the Twitter world.
There are going to be numerous reports of sources indicating this or that about the 49ers GM and head coach search, so we certainly would need to take all of this with a grain of salt. I'm always a bit suspect of anonymous sources, but that doesn't mean I don't think the Harbaugh/Gruden information is inaccurate. Rather, it's one source at this point. And as far as this affecting the GM search, it's not like Harbaugh and Gruden are some obscure coaches that could have a drastic impact on the GM search process. These are two guys in which I would imagine a lot of GMs would have some level of interest. So for now, just file this in your memory as one more tidbit in what will be a crazy, twisting journey over the next two to four weeks.
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I wonder if Mike Vick would follow him here
One can dream, right?
by Doctor Kajita on Dec 28, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
THIS THIS THIS
More this
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by GrayDilla on Dec 28, 2010 11:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Seconds and thirds of *this*
Mornhinweg would be perfect
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by GrayDilla on Dec 28, 2010 11:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Seems interesting
He doesn’t call the plays in Philly, though – Reid does. Granted he probably would not call the plays here, either, but does he have the chops for this job?
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Pretty sure he took over play calling in PHI.
I remember reading something that said Andy Reid has only relinquished play calling to like 1 or 2 coaches his whole career.
I'm getting it from wiki, which is a bit unclear
It says he called three games in late 06, and continued through 07. If I’m wrong then I rescind my prior comments! :)
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I don't think he is the most qualified
what are your qualifications?
I don’t utterly hate him as a candidate, but I think he is not cut out to be a HC.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 28, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
I've argued this until my fingers bled
Again…there was a great article in ESPN the Mag where they did background on what all the top top HC in the NFL had in common. MM had more in common with the top coaches such as Cowher, Belichek, Gruden, etc…than any other candidate in the league. Some of them was failed at a stop previously, long time assistant in a winning organization, coordinator experience, in a certain age bracket, etc….
He is a LOT better candidate than you guys think.
And all of those factors qualified him as the league’s next great head coach even before we witnessed him transform Michael Vick from a wild, inefficient quarterback into an elite passer. It could be argued that there were other factors responsible for Vick’s emergence, but Mornhinweg clearly didn’t stand in the way of his development and he’s remained flexible enough to evolve the team’s offense to fit Vick’s newly-realized abilities. There’s also the fact that the best season of Donovan McNabb’s career was the year after Marty started working with him.
I haven’t heard his name being thrown around much in the media, so maybe this is a niche that Niners Nation could fill.
I'm completely on board with you
I read that article like a year and a half ago or something like that, it wasn’t even a thought for us at that time but I became a fan of his.
Considering the article was written before what he did to Vick, I think there is even more validity.
What if Matt Millen agreed to hire Gruden or Harbaugh?
Does that make him a candidate?
"People are on to us right now. They're got our number. We have to regroup and start doing something a little more different. I'm not saying we're predictable, but when you've got the opponent out there calling out plays, and they know what's coming, then we've got a problem. They know what plays we're calling. They pretty much know what routes we're running. They pretty much have us down right now." -
-- Jerry Rice
just kidding
"People are on to us right now. They're got our number. We have to regroup and start doing something a little more different. I'm not saying we're predictable, but when you've got the opponent out there calling out plays, and they know what's coming, then we've got a problem. They know what plays we're calling. They pretty much know what routes we're running. They pretty much have us down right now." -
-- Jerry Rice
Don't want Millen as GM
We’ll wind up drafting 5 WR’s in every draft.
Steve Young could make a good GM I think. Was coached by the best HC in NFL history and has the intelligence to make it work I think.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
I dont think Young is ready to be a GM yet but a special assistant to the GM would be nice.
by ninersince94 on Dec 28, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Steve Young
He could make a good GM, but I don’t think the 49ers are in a position to roll the dice on a guy with no real front office experience. I agree with the above comment about potentially bringing him in as a special assistant to the GM.
by David Fucillo on Dec 28, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that would prob be the best way to go.
It could potentially groom him to take over that role.
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Wonder if he'd even want to be a GM
Didn’t he and Brent Jones try to put together a team to purchase the Niners before the Yorks got them?
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I believe so
Brent Jones certainly has the money to do it—the guy is filthy rich from his investments
Really?
What does he invest in? Is he like Warren Buffett and we can invest in BJs investments? lol jk.
I sure hope not!
Listening to him on the games; he isn’t as knowledgeable as he’d like people to think.
by 49er faithful on Dec 28, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
If we brought in Gruden, he would likely want full player personnel control.
Yesterday it sounded as if Jed York wanted to get a GM to hire the HC. If that’s the case, York needs to step aside and let the GM (whoever he selects) do his job.
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gruden
I need to look around for a link but I thought I’d heard the opposite that he didn’t want to deal with the personnel control. I’ll poke around google news and see if I can find support for that.
by David Fucillo on Dec 28, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Okay, sounds good… I just figured he would want to. I have nothing to support that other that a gut feeling. He seemed pretty involved last year when he was doing the breakdowns and that qb camp thing for ESPN before the draft.
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This from Barrows...
Apparently both Gruden and Harbaugh have recently itterated that they want sound structure and little focus in the personnel matters.
http://www.sacbee.com/2010/12/28/3284088/49ers-call-a-reverse-in-coaching.html#
by 9thevolution on Dec 28, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Did you read the Ted Sundquist review?
He played GM when Mike Shanahan wanted him to. The 49ers aren’t hiring a GM to run the franchise for them.
Digital Garbage
again
this is one interview of one possible candidate. I get that you’re full of cynicism but don’t treat your opinion as fact because it ain’t.
It's not like Jed can go interview established guys right now anyway
not while there’es still a game left to be played in the regular season.
Again I ask you who you find acceptable as a GM candidate and why Harbaugh and Gruden shouldn’t be at the top of the list of possible head coaches.
They shouldn’t even have a short list if control is going to be put in the hands of a GM.
Digital Garbage
are you serious?
you complain about lack of a strong front office and then expect them to go into the office season with no shortlist at all?
That’s just plain idiotic
It’s not. They said they would hire a GM to pick their coach. They haven’t hired a GM so how do they even have a short list of coaching candidates? It’s a plain contradiction.
Digital Garbage
I think it's more hand in hand than we think
They want Harbaugh or Gruden, offensive minded type coaches, so the GM will subconsciously line up with that thinking. The GM that is going to stand out to them is the one that aligns with their thinking. If York thinks this team needs to be ran by an offensive minded HC and the GM pitches that in his interview, it’s going to ring to York as a better candidate than a GM that wants a guy from HS.
And there's nothing wrong with that
it’s not duplicitous of the Yorks to say they’re going to let the GM run the show while still wanting certain things done.
Any good CEO who hires someone to run the division does the same thing. He’ll say “These are the things I want done. I’ll leave how they’re done up to you.”
Exactly
I think what I’m saying though, is he will naturally be attracted to the GM’s whose ideals line up with his. So while he is saying he will hire the best GM and let that guy choose, most likely the “best” GM to him is going to be someone who is aligned with York’s visions of the 49ers.
Exactly the point I was going to make
If we take Jed absolutely at his word, NFL sources are wrong to suggest that he is focused on Gruden and Harbaugh because he won’t be focused on any head coaches at all. He appoints the GM; the GM appoints the HC.
If Jed is already sniffing around potential HCs, he’s gone back on what he said yesterday. If he isn’t, the sources are wrong,
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by LondonNiner on Dec 28, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
Kawakami...
He had this to say in his column today:
Wouldn’t shock me at all if there already have been informal discussions with the representatives of both men, maybe even a light conversation between Jed and both primaries.
But York also is going to hire the GM first, and promises that the GM will make the call on the HC, but if he’s doing this right, he knows which GM candidates are most likely to bring in a top guy like Gruden or Harbaugh.
Actually, Jed should’ve been doing his homework on that starting weeks ago, and I believe he has. (Hey, remember when I got yelled at a few years ago for reporting that Jed was taking over primary management duties as team owner? Love that stuff.)
This doesn’t mean the 49ers are a lock to hire a GM with ties to Gruden or Harbaugh, and even if they do, those two have many career options and have been known to pull a tease or two.
So one could see this more as a preliminary move knowing what GM candidates would be interested in. I’m not sure I buy that, but it’s a thought at least.
by David Fucillo on Dec 28, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
To Fooch and WhistlingMountain (below), I’m not saying I disagree with Jed sounding out Gruden or Harbaugh. I’d be excited by either. Just saying that it does run contrary to what he said yesterday.
It isn’t that big a deal, unless you have slight concerns that Jed doesn’t really know what he’s doing. If Jed knows what he’s doing, then sniffing out the best potential Head Coaches, then landing the GM you want, and telling him you’ve already done some preparatory work in recruiting a knockout Head Coach, is all good.
If you have concerns that Jed is a rich kid trying to emulate his revered uncle’s success and, more pertinently, his popularity and fame, then you’d be entitled to worry that Jed might be denying himself the GM he should be recruiting because the perfect GM would see straight through his protestations that he’s going to leave the HC appointment to the GM for what it is – a public statement to pacify a fanbase that has no faith in anyone called York, and a holding statement at that, whilst he gets on with the meddling he was always going to dabble in.
FWIW, I don’t believe in either of those polemic statements. I am reserving judgement in Jed and I greatly hope he has inherited something more from his uncle than sycophantic hero-worship. But I do believe in holding public figures to their word, and I do believe in holding journalists true to what they’ve written, and between Jed and Kawakami’s unnamed sources, someone is not telling the whole story ….
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I don't think it's a contradiction at all
Gruden and Harbaugh are obviously two of the names on the very shortlist and will have lots of offers from NFL teams in a week or so. It makes sense to start feeling them out in regards to possible contract scenarios, etc, while at the same time letting them know that the final decision will be made by the new GM.
Then when the new GM is hired Jed can go to him and say “Hey, here’s some preliminary info on Gruden and Harbaugh. Do with it what you will.”
It's clearly a contradiction
Jed said:
So, there’s a broad array, but that’s not me putting that list together; our general manager is going to put that list together. So I’m not going to narrow it, I’m not going to say, ‘Hey, you know, you’re the GM but you can’t hire this guy as your head coach.’ Our general manager is going to have the ability to hire whoever he wants as a head coach."
… and on whether the next Head Coach will have the same power as Singletary did over the roster.
York: “I think that’s going to be up to the general manager. That’s not going to be my decision; our general manager will be making those decisions.”
If Jed said all of that, which he did, and is simultaneously having conversations with potential Head Coaches, that is a clear contradiction of what he said. He said he wasn’t going to narrow the list, wasn’t going to influence in any way what type of HC the new GM might want. He cannot possibly have had conversations with Jim Harbaugh or Jon Gruden without (a) making a judgement beforehand about who might be worth talking to and (b) making some sort of a decision on their suitability based on what he heard from them.
That’s if he did speak to them. If he didn’t, there is no contradiction from Jed, but there is some incorrect reportage going on.
I don’t really want to get into an argument about it, because it isn’t really that big of a deal, but I just thought it was worth recording that there is a disconnect between what he said, and what is being reported. Ultimately, I don’t care, but with respect, there is contradiction, assuming Kawakami’s sources are correct, which of course, they very well might not be.
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I already explained how that's not a contradiction
Jed can can say “This is what I would prefer, and I’ll explain it to the GM I’m hiring, but it’s up to him.”
That’s how I’m reading it at any rate. Is he not allowed to have a preference as to the type of coach he wants? Just because he has an opinion doesn’t mean he’s the one making the final decisions.
I don’t see any contradiction at all
If you’re a potential GM, and you don’t want Harbaugh or Gruden, but you know that your boss, the president, not only wants one of those guys but has already had exploratory conversations with them both, your role is untenable before you have even started.
The public think it’s your appointment, you live or die by the appointment, but your boss has influenced you as to who you should appoint? That isn’t right.
We may have to agree to disagree. I really do see a contradiction – IF Kawakami’s sources are correct. If they are not, Jed doesn’t have a problem, but the reporting is wrong.
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You've yet to provide a source
and like I said I have no problem with accepting the fact that the 49ers have begun to do due diligence on the two most obvious names out tehre. If the hadn’t started that process I’d be more worried.
I don’t see it as a contradiction.
It’s also not nearly the same thing as saying that those are the only two names on the list, which is the point that you’re making and that you’ve failed to support.
Jason La Confora has been reporting it for weeks
Adam Shefter reported the 49ers are looking to hire a high profile coach yesterday … you think that includes Russ Grim or Ron Rivera?
Digital Garbage
it's always the matter of hiring someone that you'll think their
presentation and decision making are appropriate to your own line of thinking
while they may end up surprising you, chances are they’ll be of a similar mind of you.. but in this case much much more qualified to make the decisions.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 28, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
well it isn't that big of news....
almost everyone around here threw out those names as the two biggest possibilities for the HC job lol
A better question is... who wants to be the next "patsy"?
Would Jon Gruden want to ended up like Mike Nolan and Mike Singletary? Probably not. Jon Gruden is a great coach. However, I doubt he would be able to have success in a place where NFL ownership has cursed and abandoned this team.
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by More False Hope on Dec 28, 2010 11:32 AM PST reply actions
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of course the difference with the two names you mentioned
is that neither had head coaching experience in the NFL, Gruden does and actually lead his team to a superbowl victory
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 28, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Good Lord.
Go away. Please.
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by Blank x2 on Dec 28, 2010 1:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Please stop saying this
I hate when people tell others to go away. This is a place where we should be able to voice our opinions freely and discuss them like Niner fans should be able to.
I’m seriously surprised Fooch or the other moderators havn’t taken a hardline stance with this. The whole point of this blog from a company standpoint is to get as many clicks and traffic as possible, and telling people to go away does the exact opposite.
well it is to More False Hope
who is a troll. I’d be more upset if it was to a regular poster but MFH comes by with the same sthick all the time and isn’t interested in actual conversation with people who disagree with him/her.
So, then ignore him.
I just don’t agree with telling people to go away.
I’ve seen new people come on here with their opinions, and just because its been discussed ad naseum by us already, they are dismissed and told to take a hike.
Just don’t think there is any place for it, considering Fooch’s man goal is to make a blog that is interesting and to drive up clicks. MFH even if he is a pain, accomplishes that goal just as well as any other click.
I get that this needs to be a respectful place to be, but it’s not like he is calling people names, he just has an opinion that is different than others.
It doesn't seem like that much of an opinion.
He’s not supporting his opinion, and he’s not responding to anyone’s comments directed at him.
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"Go Away"
Honestly, at this point for those who have a problem with another user it’s better to simply ignore them than engage them with comments.
I generally don’t ban people because I do agree that people can voice their opinions freely. However, I do agree with the idea that MFH has engaged in troll-like behavior because his comments always seem to be about how awful the 49ers owners are and how bad the franchise is. I’m perfectly fine with complaining about the team, but when you list the same complaints over and over no matter what the context of the rest of the discussion, it makes a person look foolish.
At this point I’m still trying to figure out the best option in this situation.
by David Fucillo on Dec 28, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
It's not just him though
If it was I could understand. It happens too often, especially to newbies that voice their opinion that may have already been beaten to a pulp by the regulars already, and they are told to go away. It’s easier to move to the next comment, than to hit reply, type letters, and then post. So why not just ignore them?
If he is that bad, then you can warn him to move past it, or he is band. But don’t leave it up to the other members to discern who is a troll and who isn’t, and allow them to try to scare off people with different ideas than they have.
the problem is that this is a community
His trolling behavior will get attention and some people will not ignore it. It will derail the discussion at hand and the bottom line is that it hurts the community.
There is a big difference between people with different opinions that can’t be civil or degrade to being uncivil, and when a troll is nothing but destructive to a community. The Trolls need to go away, period. The people that have a hard time putting their thoughts on screen or have a personality that is, um, abrasive, need to be nurtured and given equal time to express their thoughts becasue their goal is to contribute to this community.
Trolls need to go away.
i agree
that he is a troll. he hates everything that is 49er ownership-
Go be a ‘fan’ of the Pats or Steelers or some owner you feel is worthy of your fandom. This is a spot for people who love the Niners and MFH obviously does not.
we’re also giving him far too much attention now..
loving the team
I don’t think you can necessarily say he obviously doesn’t like the team. I certainly question it at times, but at the same time, given how bad things have gone it’s not surprising somebody might flip out and go off the reservation about ownership.
by David Fucillo on Dec 28, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
it is beyond that
He isn’t just a frustrated fan, he hates everything York and does not have ANY faith in the niners. I think he would actually be upset if the Niners turned things around and did well while under the Yorks ownership.
he isn’t a Niners Fan, he is a fan of wanting to see the Yorks fail. There is a difference in thinking someone isn’t qualified for the job as opposed to wanting the organization fail because of the owners.
Either that, or he is a cowboys fan coming over here to stir crap up.
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by GrayDilla on Dec 28, 2010 11:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Is the GM going to be picking the coach or are we picking a coach based on which GMs they prefer to work with?
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Whoever gets us some Luck!
Marty Mornhinweg is good, he would be like Norv Turner’s influence on A. Smith. I’d rather have Harbaugh and Luck though.
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I would also like Harbaugh because it seems like Luck would be destined to come to SF.
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Should the fact that Jon Gruden has had sustained success at the NFL level as a head coach give him the advantage over Jim Harbaugh? It seems to me that there are quite a few horror stories of successful college coaches taking head coaching jobs in the NFL and not getting the job done. Granted, I don’t follow the intricacies of the NFL as I once did, but this seems to prevalent factor.
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by deuce deuce on Dec 28, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Harbaugh on the count of because
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by GrayDilla on Dec 28, 2010 12:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Harbaugh
Has NFL coaching experience… just not as a HC. I’d rather him over Gruden but honestly, I’d take either.
For the love of god, can we get a QB and a new HC?
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Harbaugh
I put more stock in his playing career than the two years he worked with the Raiders (one as offensive asst, one as QB coach).
by David Fucillo on Dec 28, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't we put a lot of stock in Sing's playing career?
I know I did… and thought he’d be a good coach when he was hired.
For the love of god, can we get a QB and a new HC?
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
Right.
that was my point. I’d rather put stock in JH’s coaching experience then in his playing career.
For the love of god, can we get a QB and a new HC?
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Hope they bring in a WCO disciple too….. we need a SOLID offensive philosophy.
That’s why I’d like to somehow pry Holmgren away from the Browns….. he can mentor Harbaugh or Gruden if they ever get stuck; heck try and bring in Steve Young for QB coach!! Defensively they need help too…. don’t know if Manunsky will be back next year….
by 49er Faithful925 on Dec 28, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Has any head coach everyone won the superbowl with two different teams as a head coach?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 28, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
I guess worse case scenario would be Gruden putting all the pieces together for another HC to win the Superbowl.
What If we got harbaugh
And both newton and luck were on the board and we drafted Newton, OH NOEZ
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by GrayDilla on Dec 28, 2010 12:29 PM PST via mobile reply actions
may as well ask what if
luck was on the board, and the sun expanded into a red giant and devoured the earth.
by whistlingmountain on Dec 28, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
We would die with a perfect superbowl record!
by ninersince94 on Dec 28, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
The 49ers have 3 TE's..
Perfect for Harbaugh.
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LOL, I lose count..
even better for Harbaugh.
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And two power runners in Dixon and Gore...
And a back he can spread out in Westbrook. Seriously, our offense is something Harbaugh should dream of.
Jed has been talking out of both ends of his mouth
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Must have the last name of Billick.
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You can hire a GM
with a philosophy similar to yours and still give him autonomy to run the show.
In fact it would be counter-productive to hire a GM who didn’t have a philosophy similar to yours. Keep in mind that all the reports about Harbaugh and Gruden are coming from the press, not Jed York. He hasn’t said anything about specific names.
The Harbaugh and Gruden names make complete sense as they’re the two highest profile names available right now. Next week there will be a bunch more names added to the list as teams wrap up their season and coaches are let go or not resigned.
I'm not believing that
It pretty much reads you can be GM if willing to execute this exact plan Jed has spelled out. Considering Jed is the rat guy caught talking to media constantly where do you think this candidate list is coming from?
This isn’t Miami after their 1-15 willing to listen to all comers who have a plan of restoring them back.
Digital Garbage
I'm not believing that Jed is the rat
but I guess if you do, you do.
Obviously I’m not nearly as cynical as you are regarding this GM search, so tell me who you would find acceptable as a GM candidate, adn tell me why Gruden and Harbaugh shouldn’t be on the shortlist of coaches to be interviewed.
All reports are Gruden and Harbaugh are the only names on the list. Like I said, the new GM can hire anyone he wants as long it’s Gruden or Harbaugh.
Nothing about this hire suggests the 49ers are bringing in a GM to listen to a new voice or put someone new in control. Good luck to the GM candidate who says in the interview Gruden is washed up and Harbaugh is too risky coming out of college. I actually know more football than you do Jed and if want to climb past 7-9 in the next three years than hire me, sit back and watch.
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The only names on the list?
what reports are those? List them please, because I’ve been paying attention to the news feeds and I sure haven’t seen any reports saying that those two are the only names being considered.
Being the top two names is not the same thing as being the only two names.
By the way, you didn’t answer any of the questions I actually asked
Acceptable as GM candidate
I don’t see why they are hiring a GM candidate. It’s Jed’s plan if you ask me, let him keep the unofficial title.
Digital Garbage
where's your supporting evidence?
according to you all reports indicate there are only two names on this list? where are these reports at?
if it’s your own opinion that’s one thing. just don’t try to pass off your opinion as fact
I can't tell if he's being serious
….or just trying to get a rise out of you. Regardless, I would just ignore him, because he obviously does not to have a realistic and thoughtful conversation with you.
When I grow up I wanna be like Koeppel Knievel
Any GM Candidate who says Gruden is washed up and Harbaugh is too big of a reach...
SHOULD be wished “good luck” on their way out the door.
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by Blank x2 on Dec 28, 2010 1:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
They're the two biggest names who are avialable to be talked about right now
tell us again why they shouldn’t be on the short list? Oh yeah, you’ve yet to give a reason.
I replied above
How can the franchise have short list when they haven’t even hired a GM who they said will be in charge in hiring the coach? It’s a contradiction.
Digital Garbage
From Kawakami...
Focus could quickly change if York is wowed by GM candidate with other (cheaper) HC ideas, but for now, it’s pointed to Gruden/Harbaugh.
So it’s not that the door is shut on everyone else; it’s that the 49ers are interested in pursuing the two most obvious candidates.
no, that's not answer
as to why two qualified candidates shouldn’t be on the short list of possible interviewees.
I’ve already explained why it’s not a contradiction. we both have our opinions, only you’re acting like your opinion is fact and I’m not. I’ve yet to see you name any GM candidate that you’d feel comfortable with and I’ve yet to see you post a link to the “all reports” you spoke of earlier (probably because they don’t exist).
I get it if you’re cynical and burned out, but I don’t think it’s fair to burned out on a young guy who’s still trying to figure things out. Eddie D had 4 years of horrible management before his first winning season and that horrible management included the hiring of the worst general manager in all of football history.
They shouldn’t have a short list. They don’t have a GM, who is suppose to be in charge of hiring the coach. Where is this short list coming from?
Digital Garbage
i just don't see how having a potential list of candidates
means that they’re not seriously invested in finding a top quality GM which is what your argument is.
Especially when the two names being mentioned are the most obvious candidates who have been talked about for this job since week 5 of the regular season
Far be it for me to enter into a heated debate, but with all due respect to you both, that isn’t what bignerd is saying, unless I have read his comments incorrectly.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting that Jed is not entitled to have his own list of preferred candidates, or that JH or JG are not the two best candidates out there, potentially.
But it IS clearly and plainly a contradiction for Jed to one the one hand state that he won’t narrow the list, won’t influence the appointment, and on the other hand, approach two candidates. Unless Jed approached you and me for the job, and my wife would have mentioned if he called here, then he has done some sort of shortlisting based on who he has decided to contact.
That is a prima facie contradiction of what he said. If he had the conversations. If he didn’t, it doesn’t matter, but there’s some incorrect reporting going on.
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I haven't seen any reports saying that jed
has said such a thing.
All the reports have said that he’ll leave any decision on who to hire as a head coach up to the GM. Even the quotes you provided as evidence don’t say what you just said above.
If he did say “I’m not going to make any suggestions whatsoever on who the GM is going to hire as a QB and will be completely hands off” and then turns around and says “I want Harbaugh and Gruden on the shortlist” you’d be right.
But that’s not what he’s said. What he’s said is “The GM will make the final decision, but this is the type of coach I want . . .and Gruden and Harbaugh fit that mold”. That’s a far different cry and absolutely not a contradiction.
I disagree, but not enough to have an argument about it, for two reasons. (1) I come here for entertainment, not arguments, and (2) I have a sore throat and cannot be bothered. Seriously, like swallowing razor blades. It’s horrible. I imagine child birth is less painful.
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did you give me your sickness?
because I had to call in today with a nasty cold and cough that kept me up until 2am this morning hacking and spitting.
I did, yes ...
… I knew you’d disagree with me about Jed York’s blatant contradiction so, being a prescient type of a guy, I mailed you some lergy ahead of time. Being a Limey, I deliberately forgot to suck my citrus juices just to get the illness ;)
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over-reaction
I think your cynicism on this matter is causing you to overreact. There was a single tweet that the team is really interested in Gruden and Harbaugh. Your comments make it sound like Jed York has decided these are the two coaching candidates we will choose from and the GM has to accept that. And yet there is nothing to support that theory aside from a single tweet that doesn’t really say anything that specific.
by David Fucillo on Dec 28, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
And everyone's news story?
I’d be better off posting reports that don’t link Harbaugh or Gruden to the 49ers job. Is everyone speculating the same thing?
Digital Garbage
Harbaugh and Gruden are linked to the 49er job
simply becuase they’re the two most high-profile names out there. Frankly it’s stupid to not include them in the list of possible candidates.
They aren't linked to every available job
So everyone name dropping Gruden and Harbaugh with the 49ers is making it up and Tim’s report spelling out this exact scenario is hog wash. Jason La Confora reporting for weeks the 49ers were targeting Gruden and Harbaugh are hog wash. Jason La Confora’s reports that the Gruden and Harbaugh demand a restructure with a GM is hog wash.
So when the 49ers end up hiring a 2nd/3rd tier GM who placates to either Gruden and Harbaugh than pursue Gruden or Harbaugh I am still an over reacting cynic … or right all along?
Digital Garbage
I didn't say they were linked to every job
I think you’re being a cynic by jumping to conclusions with not enough supporting evidence.
I’m more frustrated that you’re treating your opinion like fact and me like an idiot for voicing a different opinion that’s just as reasonable.
To further clarify
Gruden and Harbaugh have been linked to the 49ers job since week 5 of this season. All of a sudden Jed’s a liar because it’s brought out into the open?
Pure silliness.
No they haven't
Gruden has never been linked to the Carolina job. Harbaugh connection to Carolina was quickly shot done. The Bengals have yet to leak any candidate and that’s been known open positions for weeks. Jerry Jones doesn’t have a short list despite talking constantly to the media about his upcoming head coach job search. Minnesota doesn’t even have a short list being speculated.
The same smoke has been around the 49ers for months, there is a fire.
There is hardly a shred of evidence indicating the 49ers are actually conducting an open GM search. The only statement of an open GM search came from Jed, soon after every report has the 49ers targeting Gruden and Harbaugh with fervor.
Digital Garbage
Why are you bringing up the Carolina job?
I said that Gruden and Harbaugh have berern linked to the 49ers job since week 5 and they have.
I guarantee you Jerrry Jones has a short list with one name on it—Jason Garrett. Garrett’s been the short list for Dallas for three years now.
Minnesota’s short list is Leslie Frazier.
If you honestly believe that neither of those two coaches are on the short list (more like the only candidates) for their respective teams then I think we’re done talking because you’re clearly deluded.
I actually think that Jones is going to want a bigger name.
Fisher, Fox, or Cowher if you ask me.
Deion Sanders was saying there is no way Jones will pass up the big named coaches for Garrett. You have to remember that Garrett was a part of that team when they were stinking it up costing Wade his job. And if anything, the defense has regressed big time.
Jason Garret has been groomed for that job for years
there’s a reason he’s making head coach money as an OC. He was always the heir apparent.
Now Jerry may want a bigger name, but to say that Garrett isn’t on the shortlist is pretty ridiculous
I never said he wasn't on the shortlist
YOU said Jones had a short list with only Garrett on it.
I said, it’s not that simple, and there are for sure MORE candidates on it.
I didn't say that would be the only person he'd interveiw
I said the shortlist right now has one name on it. There’s a difference.
And that's where you and I disagree
I don’t think his short list has ever only had one name on it. I think Cowher, Fox, Fisher have always been on it. Garrett too obviously, but I don’t think he has ever been the only person on it.
Whole lotta debate while missing a main point..
which is no Blue Chip HC candidate would dare take the job unless the balance of power favors them. Jed saying the GM picking the HC is really saying that everybody else, including Jed and Paraag, will be out of the way of the GM, and the GM is the guy who will back the HC up. Nobody trusts the 49er FO right now. It’s a mess. Ratto and Maiocco today were speculating how Marathe would fit in this, being that he would likely have to answer to the new GM. Marathe has had a lot of power in the FO, being Jeds and John confidant. Jed saying he will clean house with a experienced GM in place is the selling point to Gruden and Harbaugh, who both would demand that FO sturcture be a sound one so that they don’t get screwed over, and have others meddle in it. Like say, going after a expensive FA.
Jeebus, it’s no secret who Jed covets for HC’s. LaCanfora, Kawakami, you can’t just dismiss what they post on their blogs. Gruden and Harbaugh are the hot candidates right now. bignerd’s point is valid. It’s not like we all of the sudden started to discuss how the 49ers could attract those candidates. We’ve been talking about it for weeks. It was no secret that Sing would get fired, and those sources were correct, weren’t they?
The GM is there to attract the candidate. It’s that simple.
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That is all I am saying
If the 49ers could land Gruden or Harbaugh without a GM the 49ers wouldn’t be looking for a GM.
Digital Garbage
We're all of two days into the GM search
It’s far too early to say that there’s not a real search going on based on these two names.
I know that Harbaugh and Gruden have been mentioned for weeks—but that’s not evidence to say that there’s not a real GM search going on. Those are just the two most popular coaching names for the 49ers right now. At the end of the season other names will pop up.
I am going to disagree and leave it at that
This GM search is purely window dressing for those two coaches, that’s my opinion.
Digital Garbage
Of course there is a real GM search going on..
and Jed isn’t gonna put the job up for bid to publicly appease Gruden and Harbaugh. Those two still have jobs. Again, the GM is to attract the candidates. Of course other names will pop up. Why just have only two candidates? That will make the process in more in their favor than Jed’s. But Gruden and Harbaugh are the guys. I’m sure of the new GM had a shot at either one of those 2, he would pull the trigger because it will make sense to him and also make sense to his boss, who covens either one of them.
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Can someone explain to me why Harbaugh is the man everyone wants
by FrznCarboNiner on Dec 28, 2010 12:46 PM PST reply actions
Local guy
great college experience, good offensive mind, some nfl coaching experience, could probably drag his QB along with him.
He was in one of Jim Rome's Smackoffs.
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Related to Vince?
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
yea it would...
that would just make me want him more. For the HC position that is.
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
yea I meant GM… not HC… too many posts… so little memory
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
JUST IN FROM KAWAKAMI...
Another NFL source just emphasized that 49ers have to seek GM-candidates with previous experience hiring a coach… (more)
Make of that what you will…
GM Jed
Man, all this uproar about Jed checking out coaching possibilities. He said he would let the GM make the hire. But there is no GM currently and if he doesnt at least feel things out with Harbough and Gruden then he would be an irresponsible CEO. It’s important that they are possibilities to the new GM. They are both on everyones short list. And if he has to wait until after the superbowl to hire one too much could happen with the both of them. I don’t think he is contradicting himself because he needs to make sure the new GM has an opportunity to get those two coaches if they desire. If not then at least they can make an informed decision before either one commits to another team, MNF, or Stanford.
by HEXXhudd on Dec 28, 2010 1:52 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Why wouldn’t Carolina take Harbaugh and luck?
Jed York, I am in your corner.......Parcells please. Gruden and Billick, I hope you're not considered.....
You can't draft a coach....
Harbaugh would have to agree to go there. You’d think that he would prefer the 49ers situation given the plethora of talent on the team… the Panthers, by contrast, don’t have much talent at all.
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
QB is usually the thing teams build around more than the team
A team with a great QB is more important to a potential HC. So if he thought Luck was the next Manning or Brady, he would absolutely be enticed to take the CAR job. It’s easy to build a team around your Pro Bowl QB than a Pro Bowl team around a mediocre QB.
It's not a guarantee that Luck comes out this year...
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
did you teally just say that as if I have no clue
Jed York, I am in your corner.......Parcells please. Gruden and Billick, I hope you're not considered.....
come on
Don’t be so defensive. Getting defensive leads to name-calling on both sides and that’s what seems to lead to a lot of people going at each others’ throats in a comment thread.
by David Fucillo on Dec 28, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
I mean, you said "take" as if they can just pick whomever they want...
I wasn’t insinuating that you are clueless… that’s just how you made yourself seem.
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Plethora?
The talent situation is not as good as everyone thinks. Good RBs, terrible QBs, suspect o-line, bad defensive backfield, receivers with dropsies… SF is a mess right now. The real question is how long it will take to restructure the team.
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Disagree about the WR's
Sure Ted Ginn couldn’t catch a cold but Morgan and Crabs are very good. There is a difference between dropping passes and just not going all out because the season is lost and you’re tired of the same old rhetoric from your HC.
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
Not going all out when being paid $millions is a sign of character problems that are probably not curable.
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That's debatable...
if you had a job that was paying you extremely well but your boss was a complete idiot… would you be busting your ass to work for him?
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Yes.
1. I get a bigger contract next time if I play hard.
2. My teammates are counting on me.
3. If I play well, my agent may be able to work a trade.
4. Idiot bosses get fired. Players with bad attitudes and poor work ethics get cut.
-- Life is to short to take everything serious. Especially sports blogs.
I'm talking about real life...
unless your current job is a professional athlete. Not saying I approve… just saying that’s more than likely something that goes on.
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
It does go on in real life
Goofus does the bare minimum to get by because he thinks his boss is an idiot.
Gallant works hard, takes care of coworkers and does his best, even if he knows the boss, is in fact, an idiot and Gallant’s work will make the boss look good.
Gallant gets promoted. Goofus is hoping his unemployment gets extended.
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Good points...
although I still think the WR’s are better than average.. I also think our OL will be better next year… or rather, I hope they will be.
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
that guy
is part of the Nolan Mess like Sing, it needs to all leave as it left a stench in SC headquarters. In other words, he was brought in by Nolan. And when Nolan got relieved of his GM duties, it was awarded to McC
I think
Its foolhardy to believe that Jed won’t have any input on who the next GM brings in as head coach. He won’t have the ultimate say, however, he will be consulted.
Additionally, this whole York/Gruden/Harb thing is way overblown. First, off those two names would sit atop many teams lists for head coaching vacancies. In fact, I wouldn’t want someone running this organization if they don’t have those two on their candidate lists
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 28, 2010 2:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Finally a Discussion that Makes Sense
Finally Sing Sing is gone. Now we can get real and get on with things. He should have been fired at the break. We may have made the playoffs without him screwing things up.
Before I state my GM and HC choices, I just want to add to the conversation above that I agree no one should ever tell someone on this site to “go away” or pull any of that crap on people who take the time to comment.
Including everyone’s opinions on this site is not going to hurt anyone. In fact, it’s the point. Some of you regulars think you have the right to say runde things. But I’m a regular too and I don’t agree that anyone has that right.
So if you don’t like what someone has to say to the point where you don’t even think they should have posted the comment, then you are free to ignore it and comment on some other post that interests you more.
Now to my choices: I think Marty Morningwehg would be a great choice. Better than Gruden. And Harbaugh is simply a complete unknown. But the job Morningwehg did with Mike Vick was absolutely amazing. I wouldn’t mind seeing a great young rookie QB drafted, with both Smiths as the number 2 and 3 QBs if they would accept a commensurate salary for those positions. I was an Alex hater as a starter. But as a back up with Morningwehg helping him make faster decisions, who knows? All three QBs on our roster could make huge strides under Morningwehg’s tutelage. Or for that matter, how about giving Nate Davis a chance to learn under Morningwehg and become the number 3 QB next year and let the two Smith’s battle it out for #2? They may both go somewhere else, but in the best of worlds, I think a rookie QB starter and those 3 guys battling it out for back up positions would be perfect with Morningwehg coaching them.
Bottom line: Gruden without a good QB was mortal, to say the least. And Harbaugh has no HC expereince in the NFL. So my choice would be Morningwehg hands down.
As far as a GM, if Morningwehg is our HC, then I could see any good judge of talent being the GM. Even Balke wouldn’t be a terible choice with Morningwehg as HC.
But, could you imagine — and I know the difference betwen reality and imagination — but just imagine, Mike Holmgren switching over to be the 49ers GM with Morningwehg as the HC. That would be dynamic, don’t you think? They both coached under Walsh. And I think Holmgren has done a really good job with the Browns personnel in his first year and first draft there. Picking up McCoy in the 3rd round was pretty slick too, because I think he’s going to be the real deal.
Why would Holmgren leave Cleveland? To come home! No other reason. But a good one!
We can dream.
I'm not sold on Morningwehg as much as some others....
and I know Holmgren wants to get back to coaching (from what I’ve read anyway) but with that said, I’d like to see Holmgren on the sidelines and wouldn’t mind Baalke as GM in that situation. I’m nervous about Marty because, and correct me if I’m wrong, he has previous HC experience and wasn’t good.
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Something like on his 3rd training camp day he staged a butt chewing of his players where ended it by jumping on Harley, riding off the field declaring practice over. The players concluded he was the biggest fraud and became a running a joke in the locker in room.
Digital Garbage
I can't tell if you're serious or not...
but if you are.. I definitely want this guy.
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
It's true
He did this and is the sole reason he’s never been given another interview in the NFL despite his coordinator success. I think it was a big deal with Andy gave him a job.
Digital Garbage
There's somethign to be said about learning from your mistakes...
Just because he made an idiotic move in his first HC gig doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be a good HC in his second stint… someone already brought up Bill Bellicheck failing in Cleveland before his success in NE.
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
He lost the team as soon as he did that..
He is a good OC under Andy Reid. Not a good HC with a team that was, or will be in transition.
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You think that would carry over to the 49ers players?
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
What did they just go through?
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good lord..marty mohrninweg? Steve Young as GM?
What am i reading here.Ex Matt Millen hires and neophyte hall of famers? Didn’t the Niners get rid of a HOF with no prior experience? I understand the allure of Holmgren, Harbaugh and to a far lesser extent Gruden, but Marty Mohrninweg? Really?
If Morningwehg could coach anything out of Alex Smith than any team ought to think about hiring him. I share Florida Danny’s opinion on Morningwehg, he’s one of those good coordinators you never, ever want in the head coach seat.
Digital Garbage
You mean like Norv Turner?
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Norv did an excellent job coaching Frank Gore
Alex posted better number Jimmy Raye. This Alex Smith / Norv Turner thing is something Mythbusters needs to take a look at.
Digital Garbage
Norv = Great OC - Not So Good HC
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
Also...
Alex had Norv in only his second year… with Raye he was on year 5. if Norv stuck around I bet Alex would have had a better career.
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
Alex (gasp) isn’t a horrible QB. An adaptive HC and offensive coordinator can develop gameplans designed around a QB’s strengths and avoid weaknesses, like Norv, and the
guy i’d like to see as the new HC, Charlie Weis.
I wouldn't mind Weis...
although he was downright horrible in ND… but that could be attributed to the lack of talent he had there. And I don’t think you were saying that I thought Alex is a horrible QB… but if you were that’s not the case. i’ve been a strong suppoter of him and think he got a VERY raw deal.
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
i knew what you were getting at…the default niner fan position is to blame Alex Smith. What I hope 49er fan recognized is the total systemic failure of a once elite organization. Alex Smith is the very least of niner concerns.
Couldn't agree more...
as I’ve stated many times on this website, even someone like Peyton manning would fail with such ineptitude in the front office, not to mention the instability at the OC position. It’s just not realistic to blame the ANY QB for being mismanaged in such a way.
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by return2greatness on Dec 28, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
Starting with the Front Office is Key
1. You have to get a guy who knows football, can evaluate talent and knows how to work deals. That’s going to be tricky because most of those kinds of guys stay employed.
2. Whatever coach is hired needs to be one of the GM’s guys. It’s ugly when the coach and GM are in a power struggle, and it doesn’t win. Coach has to trust the GM’s ability to get talent, and the GM has to let the coach do his job.
3. Two years from now the team will not resemble the current team. Forget A. Smith. He’s going to finish his career as the starter on a draft diving team or as the executive clipboard holder for a good team.
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ok ok enough bong for me… haha, that my borthers is my new year wish pick ….
happy new year in advance to this great staff and to you all peolpe !!! go 49ERS!!!
Gruden is NOT a candidate for Niners HC ...
So says Peter King on NBC just moments ago. Also says the Niners and other teams will be looking more at “young, hungry” coaches, citing the recent success of Mike Tomlin and Sean Peyton
I saw the interview too,
I have to admit I was pretty excited about the reference…I’m on the Jim harbaugh bandwagon 100%
by Huey49ers4life on Dec 28, 2010 7:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I was surprised he said that to be honest with you
He didn’t cite any sources about Gruden, and I was pretty surprised. I think Gruden is being looked at.
If he wants that stadium approved, he better hire someone with some gusto and not some assistant nobody has heard of.
He hires some cheaper guy, it’s going to go back to them saving money, yet wanting us to pay for their new stadium.
If you are Gruden and have stated your biggest criteria is the front office doesn’t Holmgen in Cleveland sound more appealing?
Digital Garbage
But...
uh….you would have to live in Cleveland. You know that right? ;-)
Even LeBron who was from there couldn’t wait to get out of there.
That said
I think Gruden is most likely to go there or to SF but I believe his son, I don’t think he comes back till next year. So if Mangini stays another year, look for Gruden next year.
Maybe Gruden is using reverse psychology
Instead of letting leak this time that he is interested in the job (like with with University of Miami) he’s letting leak that he is not a candidate.
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