49ers GM Candidate Trent Baalke: From The Horse's Mouth
by David Fucillo on Dec 30, 2010 2:00 PM PST
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PrintAs the discussion heats up in regards to Trent Baalke as the potential future general manager of the San Francisco 49ers, someone made a good suggestion about looking at his past comments when he was first promoted to his current VP role. I went back through our NN archive (always a good page to keep handy) and found these posts that mentioned Baalke in the title. The first three are transcripts and the final post is when the McCloughan stuff went down. The first post is about the Davis and Iupati picks, while the second is about the draft as a whole.
Day One NFL Draft Transcript (April 22, 2010)
Day Two NFL Draft Transcript (April 24, 2010)
Promotion To VP, Player Personnel Transcript (May 20, 2010)
Initial Post About Baalke
Beyond those, here's an SF Gate link that has a slightly different transcript; here's a scout.com link; here's a 49ers.com link. I think for the most part the transcripts are somewhat guarded front office-speak, but you can see the mentions of the need for physical players. That lines up with Coach Singletary's philosophy but who knows how much Baalke is a believer in that philosophy.
After the jump we take a closer look at a couple of his comments...
In the first transcript Baalke discusses the trade with Denver, which has been a source of contention for many fans. However, as I look through the first day transcript, this comment stands out:
On whether two offensive linemen say anything about him as a personnel person:
"I think we have an identity in this building, on this football team that we're trying to build. And, whether it be offensive linemen, linebackers, running backs, we're looking for certain characteristics in these players. These two players have the characteristics we're looking for. Physically, they're able to impose their will on other players. They've done it at the college level, and we expect them to do the same thing at the pro level. As far as how I view it and the things that I look for, this is an organizational decision. I think both of these guys are going to be very good football players."
Does that answer sound a little like, I wasn't quite as down for drafting these guys but Coach Sing got his way? His comment doesn't mean this is not his philosophy. In fact, it could just be that he's a humble guy who doesn't want this to come across as him taking credit for everything. At the same time, given how things have shaken out with Coach Singletary, it's worth at least considering the alternative.
Of course, he followed that up in the second transcript with this:
On whether he was more finely tuned to Head Coach Mike Singletary's thoughts and direction this year:
"I think the assessment goes like this: Coach was involved in the process probably more so than he was last year because he was more involved in the overall process. He was on the road. He was calling people. He was getting to know the backgrounds of these young men. But, in terms of making the final decision, I made the final decision, but he certainly was involved in it."
So really, nothing means anything I suppose. Take it all however you want.
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He was excited about Alex Smith
The simple fact that Baalke endorsed Alex Smith in that link, and seemed excited about the QB’s on the roster shows that he is not the right guy for the job.
After all, it was his decision to go with Alex Smith, David Carr, and Troy Smith. Does that sound like a good GM???
by Lone Wolf 81 on Dec 30, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
What else was he supposed to say?
HC and Owner wanted the QB. Is he supposed to say, eh, I don’t like him, but too hard to make a trade. The organization decided he would finally get his chance as the starter and see if he could show his potential. Everyone at the beginning of the year all decided that this was finally the year, where once and for all we could see if he was the guy or not. The organizatino was on board, why would he say something different? Privately, now that’s probably a different matter.
All I can think of..
is when ScotM had full control over the draft after Nolan wasn’t the Trigger Man. That’s what we can really reflect on.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
Complain
Some people just live to complain. I’m going to wait and see who is appointed the new GM and wait to see who they select as the new HC before freaking out. I just hope whoever it is FINALLY turns things around.
Baalke
I don’t think he is the status quo here people.
I have said this a bunch on the other thread, even though I was late to the party, but I’ll say it again here. I think it is worth noting that Baalke was our Western Region Scout. Do you possibly think that maybe Baalke was pushing for DeSean Jackson over Balmer, or Rodgers over Smith? Maybe Jed remembers that and realizes that Baalke has a keen eye for talent.
Ultimately, the first, and most important job of a GM is the evaluator of talent, and for all we know, he may have been right every time there was a dispute and McC got his way. Maybe a part of the reason McC left was because Baalke started to get his way more often, maybe he started to get the bigger voice in our drafts due to his history.
Nobody here knows who he has recommended throughtout his career in the NFL. He was with the Jets in 2000. Maybe he was behind the Shaun Ellis pick, John Abraham, Anthony Becht, Chad Pennington, Lavarneus Coles pick, etc…
All I’m saying is we don’t know anything about his background and who he has evaluated. All we know is that he is respected in the league, and is the front runner for our GM job. So maybe, maybe instead of all these conspiracies, maybe he is the most talented young GM out there right now. And for the record, I do NOT want an older guy. I feel like the modern NFL has passed those guys up. This is a passing league, full of fast defenses, and even faster offenses, this isn’t the days where you beat up on people any more. I think Sing and Raye showed us that people can be out dated in this league, and that their length of time in this league, or experience can be over valued and become a detriment to the team.
There is a whole lotta "maybe" in your post...
Maybe’s aren’t convincing points to debate.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
Well..
Do you possibly think that maybe Baalke was pushing for DeSean Jackson over Balmer, or Rodgers over Smith? Maybe Jed remembers that and realizes that Baalke has a keen eye for talent.
Do you know how many fan mocks I’ve read that had Rodgers and Jackson on the wish list?
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
There are a whole lot of maybe's in people's posts about him being the bad choice
The point is, we don’t know anything. We don’t know if he is the right guy, or if Reese or Lombardi will be better. MAYBE they will be better and MAYBE they won’t be.
I’m just saying, we don’t know what he has been involved in. What we do know, is he is respected in the league as a Scout, and is thought highly enough to be a GM. I think we have to be happy he is a candidate.
I think York wants him, and has wanted him for a while, probably even while McC was here, but is just out making sure nobody blows his socks off before he does it. Someone else said it on another thread, that while York says he is hands off with the coach, he may have said, if you can get Harbaugh, you got the job. Then again, all I’m doing is speculating, which is what we ALL are doing.
Who thinks highly enough..
for Baalke for GM, outside of Jed?
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
Nobody has said it would be a horrible choice
Have you read even one report saying Baalke is an idiot, or doesn’t know what he is doing?
All I have read is, if Baalke is hired, how committed was York to finding an outside candidate and relinquishing control. Both of those are speculation…but nobody has said Baalke wouldn’t be good or isn’t qualified.
I asked you..
who thinks highly enough to Baalke to hire him as GM, outside of Jed.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
Who doesn't?
The fact that we don’t know of anyone doesn’t mean he hasn’t been in the mix. No other team’s FO holes have been dominating the headlines as much as we have.
We have gotten to see him in a FO role first hand for 8 months. Wouldn’t it be fair to say that we would know how good he is more so than any other team?
Show me a name of someone that said he shouldn't be GM
Or that said he couldn’t handle it? Or said that he wouldn’t be a good choice?
I’m sure if he IS hired, then Parcells said he could handle the job and would recommend him. Is Parcells good enough for you?
I asked you a direct question...
answer it.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
Bleacher Reported
someone found a used towel from practice, and it had the face of Harbaugh on it formed from the sweat and dirt.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
I know what it is...
Somebody said for Christmas they got a toaster that imprints the 49ers logo on it. I think somebody has one that puts Harbaugh’s image on toast!
by David Fucillo on Dec 30, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
B/R
See my comment below about Bleacher Report.
by David Fucillo on Dec 30, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
I know, I'm just doing to him what he did to me.
Here you go drummer…
Adam Scheftler stating that Baalke had a strong reputation on the league, and how many expect that SF will be able to march on successfully. Also that he is recognized as a strong and capable talent evaluator.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=5013821
Is that one good enough for you Drummer?
No answer me, what says he isn’t the right choice!
This is from ..
before the draft, after ScotM, and really doesn’t have anything to do with he being considered GM.
Sheesh. Go back to Bleacher Report.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
It says he has a strong reputation, how we will continue marching on without McC
And also so he is recognized as a stong and capable talent evaluator.
What again is job #1 of a GM? Go ahead, I’m waiting…
I should have known you would troll and try to shoot that down. The fact is, he is better than you are letting on. Why is someone else better aside from a resume which means nothing.
how do you get your long green hair to stand straight up like that?
Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter
by Tre9er on Dec 30, 2010 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
FWIW I thought that'd be an appropriate and funny joke
but I still respect you
Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter
Trolls..
are the ones who throw crap against the wall. You really should be aiming this at hudd.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
some would say Trolls are the ones who say anything to get a rise out of everyone
Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter
I'm asking someone to back their comments up..
that’s all. The ones who troll are the ones who can’t back up their posts.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
I did...
I have said nothing but the fact that he has a good reputation and is a good talent evaluator which is pretty darn important as a GM. A GM whose sole job is to make sure our team is loaded with talent.
I backed it up perfectly. Now why don’t you back up your comments drummer?
Sorry..
again, two sentences from last year that has no direct quotes from anybody (you can find all kinds of inaccurate stuff from Schefter) is not any proof.
You’re not looking smart here.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
can't completely comment on GM
would prefer someone with some success in the position or a poised up and comer.
Bottom line is that we need either a good HC, or a good GM and chances are we wont get both at the same time. If one is good, the other is just OK, great. What I hope doesn’t happen is that we get Baalke, no great HC prospect, and hire some re-tread who is as underqualified as Sing was.
Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter
Baalke and a consolation to Harbaugh
just my gut…Baalke and say…Sherman
Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter
yup
because I’m the one that’s commenting nothing but Baalke Billick 2011
Or that asks for links, get’s them, then minimizes their importance. Or the one that’s bringing absolutely nothing to the table.
The link..
is from the last draft, and doesn’t have substance. Seriously, you have been clamming your whole act here.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
see above
all I have ever claimed is what’s important. People obviously respect him around the league, and as a GM, he can evaluate talent. That’s why I’m all for him. A GMs job is to make sure we are loaded with talent.
All I'm saying is..
you really don’t have an idea of what’s important.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
need a better source
you expected quotes from owners and execs defending the guy but you use tim k. And peter king to dismiss him? Love your double standards
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 31, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
Trent Dilfer and Gary Plummer
Call them yes men if you want but I’ve heard both of them speak very highly of Baalke.
by AptosNinerFan on Dec 30, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Are they NFL owners?...
gotta do better than 49er mouthpieces.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
Half the owners in the league...
probably couldn’t tell you who any other teams personnel guys are and most GM’s don’t seem to talk much unless you’re privy to info I’m not.
by AptosNinerFan on Dec 30, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
Everybody is hearing around the League.
about Baalke. I just want to know whom, and why they think he would make a good GM. The who meaning other Execs.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
well, they talk to us common folk all the time, so just wait and I'm sure we'll hear from them
Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter
do you have anything to offer yourself
Or are you just here for petty bitching. He’s posting opinions on a blog, not writing a book report so your nitpicking over sources is rediculous. He provided them but nothing is good for you. I haven,t seen any quotes from owners or execs on any potential GMs. But yeah, thatks realistic to expect from a random poster in a blog.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 31, 2010 7:25 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe opens up the possibility that the other direction is correct.
From what I have read about Baalke, and what he said I would say he knows what he is doing and knows why he is drafting players or signing FAs.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
You can read the same out of ScotM's interviews as well.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
I think he does know what he is doing.
I’ve heard he is respected within the league. I remember Barrow’s writing about that when he was “promoted”. You don’t become respected around the league unless you know what you are doing and are actually good at it.
if he'd left out the "maybe's" would it have been credible?
cause I can easily edit the comment if so…
Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter
Do what you want, but the point still stands. We don't know anything.
Sando wrote up a good piece of who Baalke’s teams have drafted. See link. A LOT of good insight here.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/15859/gm-profiling-baalkes-draft-history
I wasn't a non-supporter of Baalk
But I must admit I don’t care much for that resume. Even though the only impact we can really attribute anything to is the previous draft, which I did like. I have to say I wouldn’t put much faith in him to find a QB though.
Jeez, not you..
now I have riotnumber42junior to fend off.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
I'm having a heckuva good time, FWIW
hopefully you are too
Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter
I hope you are right
I agree with you assessment, the only thing in your post that I find a little far-fetched is that McCloughan left because Baalke was starting to get his way. It seemed to me that he would take his scouts advice into account, but not bend to their will.
When I grow up I wanna be like Koeppel Knievel
Just throwing it out there.
It’s possible. Far fetched, yes. But we don’t know why Scott left. And maybe York was having issues with some of McC’s picks (Rachal, Balmer, Smith) knowing that Baalke had others in mind that turned out better, and started to value Baalke’s opinion a little more than Scott’s.
Now you're just throwing stuff out there..
trying to make it stick, with nothing to base it on.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
Yup I am
For discussion.
But it’s now different than all the doom and gloom stuff I have been hearing saying that Baalke isn’t qualified and Reese would be better. There is nothing to base that on either.
So we're gonna discuss..
issues that aren’t there? Like Alex Smith? The player Jed has been behind for years?
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
Wouldn't you be behind him too if you had paid him $60 million?
Is it any different than Bud Adams and Vince Young? The Krafts and Brady? Rooney’s and Rothlisburger?
I mean seriously…when you commit that kind of money to someone, you tend to want to ride that train until the wheels fall off. As long as Alex Smith had a little bit of upside, no way any of us would let $60 million walk out the door to another team and succeed.
You said..
that maybe Jed had a problem with Smith being drafted or on the team. Now you are backpedaling.
Make a solid case, and stick by it.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
It seems
as if there was somewhat of a consensus in regards to the 49ers drafting Smith. I don’t believe that anyone within the organization should be immune from criticism in regards to taking him; York included
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not back peddling at all.
I never said that York wasn’t on board with Smith from the beginning. But 6 years and $60 million later, maybe he is having an issue with some of McC’s picks. Hindsight is 20/20, maybe he loved McC, maybe he loved Smith, but maybe now 6 years later, he is wishing he had listened to Baalke instead of McCloughan.
My point is made loud and clear.
No, you put some sort of BS..
that Jed might favor Baalke because he didn’t like Smith, Rachal, or Balmer. I’m asking you to back that up.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
that was why he kept using "Maybe"
it’s a theory, not a fact
Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter
They theory is poor..
and easy to poke holes in. I get you want to back up posters who make comments. I don’t get how you can back up comments that make no sense and aren’t based in fact, and twisted to make some sort of half arsed idea.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
because it's just an opinion
him saying “maybe this happened” is just the same as you saying “maybe it DIDN’T”. You said there were a lot of maybe’s…well none of us were behind the scenes, so that’s all we got
Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter
Again...
Do you possibly think that [b]maybe Baalke[/b] was pushing for DeSean Jackson over Balmer, or Rodgers over Smith? [b]Maybe[/b] Jed remembers that and realizes that Baalke has a keen eye for talent.
Can you find the holes in this? I know I can. I already pointed out one of those holes where the OP backpedaled out of it. I assume you are an astute fan of the team, and if you are, you should realize that this is left field nonsense.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
The OP?
So what’s your goal on this site? To poke holes in everything people say? Thanks Troll.
Seriously, it’s something to discuss. You think he would suck, all I’m saying is we know nothing about what has gone on behind the scenes, who he has or has not wanted.
It seriously blows me away that you can’t follow the conversation instead of hanging on one thing for 15 comments.
Conversation? That would mean you have a point.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
Smith and Rodgers were both in the west
Smith went to Utah. Pretty sure that would fall under Baalke’s region. So was Rachal, who went to USC and picked over Desean.
I agree
I’m just throwing it out there for all the people that said Baalke wasn’t qualified. We don’t even know who he liked vs who he hasn’t liked. I would imagine if Baalke and McCloughan disagreed though, that McC’s pick is the one that ended up on the team. It’s not often that I disagree with my employees yet do it the way they want it done. Ultimately it’s my neck on the line so I’m going with my gut. I’m sure the picks were either agreed on by Baalke, or were McC’s ulitmate decision. But it’s definitely not the other way around where Baalke wanted Balmer, and McC wanted Jackson, etc..
why so much speculation??!?!
seriously what is the point?
maybe he can read minds!! maybe he has pictures of harbaugh banging his secretary!!
who cares? jed said he wanted someone with EXPERIENCE and CLOUT. baalke has neither.
the better questions are:
“why is jed beginning this new era with out and out lies?”
and “will the organization get in trouble for a sham interview to skirt the rooney rule?”
for the latter, we can lose a draft pick (http://www.acslaw.org/files/Proxmire%20Issue%20Brief.pdf)
"Winners, I am convinced, imagine their dreams first. They want it with all their heart and expect it to come true. There is, I believe, no other way to live."
- Joe Montana
by brooklyn49er on Dec 30, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
Because it's fun? Why not, that's what we are all doing here.
When did Jed say he wanted someone with Clout? He wants someone that can do the job. We don’t know whether Baalke can or can not. All we know is that Jed liked what he saw over the last 8 months, and obviously feels he can do it.
Experience doesn’t mean better. Al Davis has a TON of experience, do you want him running your organization? So does Jimmy Raye, you want him back as OC?
Thats history,
I get tired of hearing about Rodgers and Jackson, Thats history, Move forward.
Yup
Rodgers wouldn’t have been Rodgers on our team and Jackson wouldn’t be nearly as explosive for us as our offensive gameplans are run oriented, plus Smith doesn’t have the arm strength to throw the deep ball.
Maybe maybe not.
Maybe if we would of taken Rodgers, Nolan would have stuck as coach, and Martz would still be OC with Rodgers throwing to DeSean? I think that would be pretty dynamic.
I don’t think you can just say that they wouldn’t be as good or our offensive game plan wouldn’t have been different.
Don't think it would have worked out that way
If Rodgers stays, maybe McCarthy does as well…meaning Martz ends up somewhere else after getting fired by Detroit. Our record would have been different 3 years down the road, so no guarantee of getting DeSean Jackson.
Too many if’s.
Agreed
But I’m just saying, people always state that Rodgers wouldn’t have been good if he were with the Niners.
Maybe McCarthy stays like you said….
Um, who does Rodgers play for again?
But maybe if the Niners didn't sign
Lawrence Phillips…
by Bob In Beaverton on Dec 30, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
ESPN's Adam Schefter Expects Jim Harbaugh to go to Michigan
UMMM…So, now what do we do !?!
Why is our off-season more exciting than our regular season?!
Guess where Adam Schefter went to College?
waiting…
Only Harbaugh knows what Harbaugh is going to do.
by AptosNinerFan on Dec 30, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
See, this is what bothers me
Jed wants Harbaugh and is willing to make a quick decision on a GM just to get Harbaugh. I thought Jed wanted to get an experienced GM, who will then talk with Jed about who they both want as HC. I want Harbaugh as much as the next guy, but to rush through the whole process is just messy. If we don’t get Harbaugh, we’ll really be in trouble seeing as how Jed is all-in for the Baalke/Harbaugh package.
Nothing has happened yet...
keep that in mind but yeah, I totally agree.
by AptosNinerFan on Dec 30, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe Baalke is the one that really wants Harbaugh and he is the one pushing York to make a decision
What if York wants Harbaugh, but misses out on him, and we end up with Mornhinweg and we tear up the league.
Although i agree with you, we should start first and foremost at GM. However, I don’t think this is rushed, I think York has been reaching out to people all year, and Baalke has been on one of the longest interviews in the league. Anyone else go on 1 year interviews?
If that were to happen
I would hope the Baalke/Marty combo would do well. However, I’d have a hard time getting too excited about it and I would feel like somehow this whole process was botched.
by AptosNinerFan on Dec 30, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
I'll get into Marty later...I'm waiting to see what happens this weekend with Harbaugh
But a taste…
A study by the Eagles, and another by the Niners pointed to something that the most successful NFL headman past and present had in common.
Between the ages of 41 and 49
At least 11 years of NFL coaching experience
Assistants on teams that won at least 50 games over a 5 year span
Only had one previous NFL head coaching gig.
Marty is laughed at for the Lions debacle, but two things, they sucked before and after him, so it’s not all on him.
People point to the fact that he ran off on a motorcycle, well the story is that like many rookie coaches he thought he could walk in the door and change the losing mentality (Singletary did the same thing), instead of realizing it was a process, he said he because impatient, was 39, a rookie HC, made a mistake, and has learned since then, that they key is to get a little better every day, every week, every year.
People also point to him electing to kick in OT. But what he did was, he chose the wind at HIS kickers back, thus forcing the other team to kick into a 17 mph wind. He lost of course, but number math geeks have since proven him right.
What we forget, is Andy Reid has only relinquished play calling duties to one assistant. That’s MM. We forget he was a part of a LOT of winning organizations in SF, Green Bay, and PHI, working for some amazingly talented head coaches and front offices. Look what he has done with Kolb, Vick, and McNabb. There is a reason the Eagles have been the new QB University.
Did you know that he has a binder with his top 10 assistants for every job with a team? I doubt Singletary had that.
They can read this in the other thread.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
The thread..
where Fooch and bignerd posted most of your post here.
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"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
Marty wouldn't be the worst hire
but I still can’t help but think that the Baalke/Marty combo is not going to light the 49ers season tickets 1-800-# on fire. Marty could be the second coming of Bill Walsh but the perception will be…same old Yorks.
by AptosNinerFan on Dec 30, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
Does anyone know if Joe Bugel or...
Art Shell is available?
by AptosNinerFan on Dec 30, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
JESUS [SITE DECORUM] CHRIST
I could be Panthers fan before next season. I’m not standing for the embarrassment of a 1-15 Mornhinweg team.
Digital Garbage
It is only speculation that the only reason Jed wants Baalke is because he can get Harbaugh.
I think Jed wants Baalke.. because he feels Baalke can be a very good GM. Since Jed has worked with and around Baalke for years.. I would assume he has more info that we do on his qualifications.
Now, Jed may also want Harbaugh.. but I don’t think that he would only promote Baalke for Harbaugh. I think he wants to make a quick decision so that once the Fiesta Bowl is over the new 49er GM can see if he can get Harbaugh.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
+1
I like where you’re mind’s at Jim. I am of the opinion that Baalke can be a good GM, if he can get us Harbaugh… then I’m all for it. If not, as ong as he brings in a quality coach and continues our trand of good drafts, I’ll be happy.
For the love of god, can we get a QB and a new HC?
Official president of the "Fire Jim O'Brian Fan Club"
by return2greatness on Dec 30, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
-1
for my horrible grammar mistakes
For the love of god, can we get a QB and a new HC?
Official president of the "Fire Jim O'Brian Fan Club"
by return2greatness on Dec 30, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
If it's true that Jed simply wants Baalke for the sake of Baalke
then why fire Singletary with one week left in the season?
That move tells me Jed wants Harbaugh and knows he needs to move fast to get him.
by AptosNinerFan on Dec 30, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Sing
Had evey opportunity to get the team into the playoff’s. Once they were eliminated… so was he. Point blank. Why keep him around when you know he won’t be here?
For the love of god, can we get a QB and a new HC?
Official president of the "Fire Jim O'Brian Fan Club"
by return2greatness on Dec 30, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
yup
I think for as long as we were in the playoff picture, it’s tough to fire your HC. Especially if it back fired and the team regressed. Pundits could point to the turning point of the season was when the meddling owner stepped in and fired the coach while in a playoff race.
Exactly.
For the love of god, can we get a QB and a new HC?
Official president of the "Fire Jim O'Brian Fan Club"
by return2greatness on Dec 30, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Lot's of teams have been out if the playoff picture for weeks
how many have fired their coach?
by AptosNinerFan on Dec 30, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
With the talent we had, in a division ripe for the taking?
When the HC already had 2.5 years on the job? Really?
Don't buy it
Sure you can say why keep him around but why get rid of him either? If you truly want to scour the earth for your next GM/Coach why not let the guy finish out the year? What’s the rush?
Maybe I’m letting my man crush on Harbaugh cloud my judgement.
by AptosNinerFan on Dec 30, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
The Rush.
He was a bad coach. Why kep him around? Just because?
For the love of god, can we get a QB and a new HC?
Official president of the "Fire Jim O'Brian Fan Club"
by return2greatness on Dec 30, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
All I'm saying
is that they were awful all year. They started 0-5. Why not fire him then? I get the part about waiting to be eliminated but there is only 1 game left. Like I said if you know Baalke’s your guy and he really gets to bring in his own coach why not wait until the season’s over to can Sing?
Maybe I’m wrong.
by AptosNinerFan on Dec 30, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
5 games in...
still in the playoff’s. Jed’s goal was to make the playoff’s, as soon as that was impossible, he gave him the ax.
For the love of god, can we get a QB and a new HC?
Official president of the "Fire Jim O'Brian Fan Club"
by return2greatness on Dec 30, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe
but if Harbaugh is announced as the HC on Tuesday I think my version of the story makes a lot of sense.
by AptosNinerFan on Dec 30, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
I'd love that...
but I still think getting rid of Sing was the right move. He had clearly lost the locker room and couldn’t game plan to save his life (job?) so there was litterally no benefit to keeping him around.
For the love of god, can we get a QB and a new HC?
Official president of the "Fire Jim O'Brian Fan Club"
by return2greatness on Dec 30, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
No point in keeping him but no point in canning him either since this last game doesn’t matter. I had secretly hoped he would stay so he would lead them to another loss/higher draft pick but if it’s a matter of getting Harbaugh or not, I say can him and get Jim to sign on the dotted line.
by AptosNinerFan on Dec 30, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Here's a question...
that I don’t know the answer to.
How many head coaches have been fired with one week left in the season? Has to be a short list.
by AptosNinerFan on Dec 30, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
every trend has to start somewhere
For the love of god, can we get a QB and a new HC?
Official president of the "Fire Jim O'Brian Fan Club"
by return2greatness on Dec 30, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
I think you then have to throw in
that wanted to get a head start on the GM AND Coaching search, and that were coming into a season without a CBA.
I think this is a weird time in NFL history and Niner history.
exactly!!
"Winners, I am convinced, imagine their dreams first. They want it with all their heart and expect it to come true. There is, I believe, no other way to live."
- Joe Montana
by brooklyn49er on Dec 30, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
he says that smart people BELIEVE that Harbaugh will go to UM
but there are no sources near to Harbaugh saying this, Schefter said as much, and I’ve tweeted and been RT’d by Schefter clarifying that
Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter
A move to Michigan doesn't make any sense to me
I know the world of sports is changing in regards to professional athletes and coaches (I am including college coaches in that category). There isn’t a whole lot of loyalty put into their current employers, they have the chance for their dream job, more money, you name it. But when you are in a place and building something successful, like Harbaugh is at Standford, a place that would pay him lots of money and keep him around long term; I don’t get why you would move on to some place else, even the pros, to risk being unsuccessful there and possibly damaging your reputation and future. In his own interest, I think he would be best staying put at Stanford for a while and not making a leap to the pros until something more solid comes to fruition. And I don’t consider the Niners a good fit. The team is a mess right now. No QB, the defense could potentially be torn apart. I’m honestly not holding to much optimism for the near future, I think we will have AT LEAST ONE more failure at head coach and it could be from anyone.
Same reason I never listen
to what a US President says. Now, what they do…
Baalke comments- I give him a pass on Goldson. lol
We can talk about Dashan Goldson. That was a guy that was targeted early, a guy that we felt really good about, a guy that Scot and I discussed as early as the middle of the football season his senior year as a guy that we’d like to add to the roster. Scot was on board and we ended up picking Dashon.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?entry_id=60030#ixzz19dgwcddm
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
What if
the 49ers decided to bring in Casserly or Lombardi, and they are able to hire Harb? Then, he is proven to be a flat out failure like many other college coaches transitioning to the NFL? Would those of you that want experience over skill and name over ability be crying fowl?
Lombardi never mande personell decisions with the Raiders, he only had inuput; but we all know Al Davis had the final call.
Casserly has extensive experience, however, he did end up failing in both Washington and Houston; this after initial success in the ladder.
Floyd Reese seems to be the most logical choice for this position. He had some great success with the Houston/Tennessee franchise, and is now in an advising role with the New England Patriots.
I am not saying that Trent Baalke should be a lock for this position, nor am i saying that he should be the front runner, but to discount him because he was a victim of circumstance is foolhardy. The 49ers should conduct open GM interviews, without a frontrunner in mind, and then go from there. Although, i would rather have Reese/Baalke over either Lombardi or Casserly
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 3:22 PM PST reply actions
You know Reese is 62 right?
He is an advisor for a reason. I don’t think he wants the major traveling required with being a GM. The scouting, combine, etc…
Baalke went on the road and is on the road a lot scouting, what makes you think a guy that’s 62 wants that? He is a “special advisor” for a reason.
GM's have an office..
and usually stay in that office most of the time.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
NFL Teams have scouting departments that help the GM
Reese would attend the combine and maybe some all-star games, but it would be the head of the scouting department that would do most of the traveling.
62? That isn’t really that old, i would rather have someone that knows what he is doing, age in all
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Assuming Reese does and Baalke does not.
I doubt Reese is as sharp now as he was when he was GM of the Titans and made his name in this league.
I’m a little doubtful of a person who made their name when the NFL was a different animal than how it is now. I’d rather us have the next Pioli, Newsome, etc…than the next Al Davis, a guy who was great when he was younger, but the NFL passed up and is now senile.
call me crazy...
but i like jeff fisher along with reese. worked well together before and have learned many many lessons since.
also, may be available down the road a bit IF we don’t make a rash decision
"Winners, I am convinced, imagine their dreams first. They want it with all their heart and expect it to come true. There is, I believe, no other way to live."
- Joe Montana
by brooklyn49er on Dec 30, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Were those guys teams really all that great?
I mean 15 years, any rings? Always seems like to me the Titans under acheived.
true
but that’s pre-patriots influence. someone mentioned this at one point and the more it sits on me, the more i’m into it.
i guess i like reunions?
"Winners, I am convinced, imagine their dreams first. They want it with all their heart and expect it to come true. There is, I believe, no other way to live."
- Joe Montana
by brooklyn49er on Dec 30, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
He has only been at the Patriots for a year. How much did he pick up at age 62?
Now all the sudden all 30 years of experience or whatever it was is out the window with one year at Patriots head quarters as an advisor?
haha well yeah!
it’s the patriots!!! i’d be as siked for a steelers janitor over our home grown crop…
"Winners, I am convinced, imagine their dreams first. They want it with all their heart and expect it to come true. There is, I believe, no other way to live."
- Joe Montana
by brooklyn49er on Dec 30, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
One reason to believe Billick won't join Baalke...
…from Jason LaCanfora:
@JetsNMets Brian would love to return but learned from being with Oz Newsome that it takes a top personnel guy pairing. Has to be fit…
And I don’t believe Billick would consider Baalke a “top personnel guy.”
Food for thought…
Either way
The 49ers should wait until the season comes to an end for the non playoff teams before making a decision on coach, or GM for that matter. John Fox, Marvin Lewis, Jack Del Rio, Jeff Fisher and Eric Mangini may all be available at that point.
What makes you think Billick doesn’t consider Baalke a top oersonnel guy? From what i have heard, Baalke is well respected within the confines of NFL front offices.
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing.
just because some of us don’t think he’s a top guy… doesn’t mean people around the NFL don’t
For the love of god, can we get a QB and a new HC?
Official president of the "Fire Jim O'Brian Fan Club"
by return2greatness on Dec 30, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
I Think 49ers fans
are looking for the “big name” rather at the “larger picture”. If Baalke is the best person for the job, he should get the job, regardless of his ties with the previous regime.
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
agreed
For the love of god, can we get a QB and a new HC?
Official president of the "Fire Jim O'Brian Fan Club"
by return2greatness on Dec 30, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
I think 49er fans see the Big Picture..
looking through the small window of redundant reasoning from the Owners.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
"Small Window of redundant reasoning"
Please explain
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Like hiring unproven Head Coaches and GMs..
that have failed over the past decade? That enough for you?
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
It is
But, please give me a reason why the 49ers should bring in Casserly, Lombardi etc… instead? Just because of experience.
BTW, i am liking the Floyd Reese idea!!!
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
I'm still waiting..
for a good case for Baalke all on his own without Harbaugh in the package.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
I'm waiting for a case against him other than "he has no GM experience"
to me, that’s not enough to warrant not giving him a chance with or without Harbaugh’s package.
For the love of god, can we get a QB and a new HC?
Official president of the "Fire Jim O'Brian Fan Club"
by return2greatness on Dec 30, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Compared to other candidates...
who are part of playoff franchises this season? Who still have yet to be interviewed? Or not because they are set on Baalke, who spent the past 5 years in a dysfunctional FO?
Are you this easy?
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
So your case isn't AGAINST Baalke...
but rather against the fact that the rumors are he already has the job?
Just because someone comes from a successful organization doesn’t mean they, themselves will be successful.
For the love of god, can we get a QB and a new HC?
Official president of the "Fire Jim O'Brian Fan Club"
by return2greatness on Dec 30, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
I'm asking you to compare him to other
execs and potential candidates of succesful franchises.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
right.
I got you now.
I think interviewing other GM’s is a great idea. But I’m also OK with them giving the job to Baalke if Jed thinks he’ll do the best job. I’m hoping that Jed knows more about his qualifications than I do. I know the Yorks don’t have a good track record of hiring great FO people but I’m hoping Jed isn’t his mother or father.
For the love of god, can we get a QB and a new HC?
Official president of the "Fire Jim O'Brian Fan Club"
by return2greatness on Dec 30, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
First Off,
I am not 100 percent sold on the Harbaugh, i would rather have a proven NFL head coach. So don’t couple me in on this.
Secondly, i would rather take the word of others who are around the NFL and believe that Baalke will be a good GM.
How is it that individuals attack the 49ers for going after an inexperienced GM when they want an inexperience coach? This doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me
Once again, give me a good reason, other than experience, why you would want to bring in those names i mentioned.
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
It is what i have been hearing all
over the NFL Network etc….. I am not going to provide a link because it is common knowledge.
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
That isn't good enough..
I’ve been listening to KNBR all day, and even the homer station isn’t putting anything like that out there.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
Who Gary Radnich?
That guy is a freaking mess.
Local radio doesn’t mean they know what they are doing. Nor does it mean they know how respected someone is around the league. They are worried about the Niners and only the Niners, it’s all they know. I doubt they knew anything about Baalke before this week.
A little harsh, no?
He’s on vaca genius.
by AptosNinerFan on Dec 30, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
BTW
your asking people all across this board to prove stuff, while you still haven’t proven a DAMN thing. Tell me why you don’t want Baalke, besides the fact that he isn’t experienced
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Drummer
I think his point is that he doesn’t want them to hire Baalke without interviewing GM’s that are curently with successful franchises.
For the love of god, can we get a QB and a new HC?
Official president of the "Fire Jim O'Brian Fan Club"
by return2greatness on Dec 30, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
DRUMMER
In fact, late last year Baalke was on a short list of candidates under consideration for the GM opening in Seattle.
In 2007, the Tennessee Titans while searching for a new Director of Player Personnel showed great interest in Baalke, although he eventually decided to remain with the 49ers.
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
WTF? Bleacher Report?..
I trust hudd more that that site.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
LOL
For the love of god, can we get a QB and a new HC?
Official president of the "Fire Jim O'Brian Fan Club"
by return2greatness on Dec 30, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
You asked to provide a link
and now you attack that link. Epic Drummer Fail!!!!
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Can I direct you..
to any ScotM article, like the Mike Silver article that praised him?
Bleacher Report. Bwah! NN stopped linking that garbage site years ago.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
Good for them
I just did!! You asked for a link and you got it.
Now your attacking a Mike Silver article. One thing is apparent. You cannot have a civilized conversation on the issues; rather you attempt to deny valid points that anyone else attempts to make, without even making any points yourself.
We have a word for you in these parts STRAW MAN!!!!
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Give me a break..
Linking Reacher Report was just bad form.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
you really can't link B/R
you or I can go write there with a free account…it’s the same as starting your own blog on Wordpress or Blogspot…it’s got no credibility, just user opinion
Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter
Bleacher Report
Honestly, if you’d chosen just about any other source I think you’d get more credit. I could write a blog post about how awesome Matt Millen is and that would give you a link to support an argument that people are saying he’s awesome. I suppose drummer asked for it when he asked for a link without specifying, but B/R’s credibility on the Internet is something to keep in mind.
by David Fucillo on Dec 30, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Fooch!! All that link did
was confirm all that i have heard over the duration of the last 48 hours. I wasn’t referencing it in order to break a news story.
Additionally, you may want to ask one of your assistant coaches on NN to actually back up claims that he has made instead of “attacking” others for supposedly not supporting their claims. It seems a little cowardly if you ask me!!!
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not attacking you..
i’m asking you to back up claims. The link provided didn’t help you.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
Also
asking you to back up your claims, and you are not. The link that i provided did help in regards to the fact that Baalke has had opportunities elsewhere in the league.
Did the article on BR give sources no? But, under my concept of confirming the premise that Baalke has had interest elsewhere in the league.
A straw man asks someone to provide necessary information yet refuses to do the same himself. And that is currently the problem you are having right now!!!
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
Here is a bio..
of Jeff Medina, the author of that article:
Born and raised in southern California, relocated to the east coast after school (1995) but have stayed true to my roots as an avid fan of the LA Angels, LA Lakers, and SF 49ers.
All he did was link a small, aw hell, why in the heck should I have to explain how to read an article to you?
Jeebus. Bleacher Report.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
Still Waiting!!!
No response to my afformentioned point(s). Still going on the offensive and not trying to back up any of your points with specific information.
Instead, you ask others to do it while sitting on your hand and talking out of your lower portions
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
What are you rambling about?..
Look, it was up to you to provide info. You posted an article from a fan. What gives with you?
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
I posted an article that summed up what i have heard the last 48 hours
i was not posting that link in order to break some news story. Additionally, i think that Hudd an I have been asking you to back up your anti-Baalke approach for the last two hours. Instead, you have insisted on asking us to back up our claims without even winking an eye to your own claims.
What gives with you?
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
You still refuse
to respond to multiple inquiries that have asked you to back up your claims. At least i made an efford to address the issue at hand. All you are doing is avoiding it.
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
Again, what are you rambling about?..
I asked a few posters here several times to post something with substance to back up the claims of “what people in the League are saying”, or “so and so thinks he will be a good GM”. I’ve heard Dilfer say it on ESPN. But no one has shown any real proof why he could be the perfect choice without having Harbaugh packaged with him. All I get is hearsay, old articles from the last draft, and Bleacher Report.
I don’t know where you think I am anti Baalke. I am just asking his new found fanboi’s to show me substance.
“Because they say so….”
Sheesh.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
And
you haven’t shown me or any of us real proof why he shouldn’t. There should be some lightbulb that goes of in your head to understand that when attempting to discount a premise, you must actually come up with an alternative.
Simply saying experience or the like isn’t going to help you in this debate, nor is it going to ignore that fact that you have not come up with anything substantive.
Unless of course it was to prove my point. You said that Trent Dilfer from ESPN indicated that he is well respected around the league right? Is Trent Dilfer and ESPN good enough sources for you. Or do you actually have to hear Bill Parcells comment on a person within another teams front office.
Give me an effing break!!!
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
And...
next time i see something on CSNBA, ESPN, or NFL Network i will immediately record it, burn it to a DVD, scan it to my computer, save to my hard drive, reformat it to windows, and post a link here..
Will that pacify you?
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
I think you fail to realize...
that the Baalke hire is actually doing less for credibility than adding it. For instance, at this moment, Gruden out of the conversation due to not liking the FO situation, with Baalke as GM.
You see, I haven’t heard anybody say that Baalke adds instant credibility to the FO. Everything is pointing to Jed hiring him as the usual dysfunctional Status Quo. The only reason behind it is Harbaugh. Nobody out there is saying Baalke is the Hot GM in waiting. Nobody.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
LINK???
Where have you heard that Gruden is out because he didn’t like the FO situation? Where?
All you have heard is that he is not in the running. It could be because his son ALREADY said he wasn’t going to coach until 2012 after his contract was up.
I want a LINK!
sheesh..
Jon Gruden’s name sort of passed in the night as a 49ers’ top coaching candidate once he was ruled out by NBC’s Peter King.
That’s just one. Been following a bit more on the media circuit. You really should pay more attention, being that Harbaugh may not be in the bag after all.
Your boy Baalke has become a sticking point.
Go ahead. I know you are just dying to say it. I’ll say it for you, since you don’t have anything to back your posts up:
Troll
Wow, hudd 101.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
Need a better source
you expected quotes from owners and execs defending the guy but you use tim k. And peter king to dismiss him? Love your double standards
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 31, 2010 8:04 AM PST up reply actions
Go read..
any of the beat writers, Sando, follow tweets from others sources, etc. I don’t want to have to do the work you should do.
Do you have anything to add? Or are you just complaining?
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
so others have to find things on their own
but you want links galore from everyone else. You have a different standard on sources of information. Hypocrisy, thy name is drummer. Also funny that you would complain about someone just complaining because that’s all you do.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 31, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
as far as adding something
when Baalke took over his current position, there were a lot of people writing about how Baalke is a great personel guy and respected for it. I didn’t save the articles from then in anticipation of you either not paying attention to them or conveniently forgetting them. I don’t want to have to do the work you should do either.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 31, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Umm..
if you go over to the left side of the main page, you will see a small sampling of quotes that 49erfansince1950 posted.
Really, you don’t have to go far here on this site. There are plenty of links to choose from, and none of which says that Baalke is considered GM for any other team outside of the 49ers.
Go ahead and call me a hypocrite all you want. It just points to me that you still don’t get it.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
I never said he was being considered elsewhere
I just think you’re a little too quick to dismiss him. You posted stuff with people speculating that he might have trouble landing Harbaugh or Gruden. Nothing about his actual ability to perform as a GM. I’m not saying that we should definitely hire him. And I am defiantly saying that you have some serious double standards about the quality of sources on here. If anyone posts anything, you can’t concede any point at all. You just go out of your way to come up with an excuse to dismiss it and them.
by Andrew9erfan on Dec 31, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
The sources I posted..
are far more credible than Bleacher Report. They come form people who actually have contact with the League and the team, not a fan who buys jerseys and tickets.
I’m not the one being “quick” on Baalke. Everyone else is. There is a helluva lot more to being a GM than just running a draft board. ScotM found that out quick with tampering charges and holdouts. GM’s bring a lot more to the table than just personnel. Good GM’s bring credibilty to the Organization, the kind of credibility that also brings in quality FA’s and Head Coaches, and helps sustain success, or worse, failure.
So far, Baalke recently has been part of a failed FO for 5 years. With a roster that is still in question after 5 years. That isn’t his fault directly. Just maybe one of the symptoms.
But hey, he won’t cost as much, and that $$ should go to a Gruden, right? Too bad he would bring in someone else for GM, and turn over the Status Quo that might leave Marathe somewhere else. Jed wouldn’t want that. That’s his confidant and best friend. Gotta keep the crony-ism.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
Bleacher Report is horrible
I read something yesterday about Harbaugh coaching at San Diego State on Bleacher Report.
by AptosNinerFan on Dec 30, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
It's USD
and that was my point. It was some guy trying to act like he knew what he was talking about.
by AptosNinerFan on Dec 30, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
What's a good case for Reese aside from his "experience"?
It doesn’t mean he is more in tuned with today’s game or today’s players. It doesn’t mean that Reese is going to put in the time that’s required at 62 years old. I know I told you this yesterday, but Harbaugh had a shower installed in his office at Stanford so he didn’t have to go home. You think Reese is going to put in those kind of days at 62 years old? Face it, the NFL is a young man’s league now. That’s why Reese is a Special Advisor, and not running the show.
What’s a good case NOT to hire Baalke? Everyone points to no HEAD personell experience, but GMs are scouts, first and foremost, and by what we’ve heard, Baalke is a good scout and personell guy.
MAKE A GOOD CASE..
You’re not making any case for him at all.
Baalke Billick 2011
"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"
I Don't have a good case not to hire Baalke
I was just throwing out another logical candidate. We cannot put all of our balls into one basket (Baalke), that would be foolish. The 49ers, need to entertain many difference options before coming to a conclusion.
BTW, check out Reese and his stay with the Oilers/Titans. Pretty impressive if you ask me
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
What Makes You Think So
Baalke has been with the team for five years now. What have you seen from him that qualifies him for this job? Why do you say he is a good scout, when the drafting has been horrible.
Hasn't been horrible number 1
Number 2, he hasn’t been in charge of the drafts, except this year and we are all pretty happy with the haul we got, if you include Ginn in that draft.
Number 3, what have you seen from him that says he isn’t qualified?
Big difference between Trent Baalke and Ozzie Newsome
And that’s just with the years of experience (as CLE/BAL director of pro personnel, VP of player personnel and GM since 1994) and Super Bowl ring.
Um is Newsome available?
If not, why even draw comparisons?
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Newsome isn't available...never said he was
The question was why Billick wouldn’t consider Baalke a top personnel guy. The tweet from LaCanfora referenced the fact that Billick worked with Newsome in BAL, and Ozzie has a lot more player personnel experience (and GM experience) than Baalke – not to mention a better track record.
Comparing Apples to Oranges
I doubt very much that Billick would use Newsome as a “guide”
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
has mccloughan found a new job?
he wouldn’t want too much
Saw that this thread had almost 100 when i started reading ... then it becane what it is... Pure Speculation from all ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
What were you expecting?
Singletary got fired. That’s what we know.
The rest is feces on the wall.
by AptosNinerFan on Dec 30, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
We Still Know Very Little
Obviously none of these links provide any real insight into Baalke. All I know is he has been here for five years and the team has drafted horribly. Now this years draft, which now sounds more like Sings than his, the jury is still way out on these players, and really how much could we blame Baalke or give him credit for these players anyway.
I have nothing against Baalke, I would just like to see the Yorks make a real fresh start and bring in people who have zero stain from the last regimes.
every draft pick made the roster this year
nobody thought this team lacked decent talent going into the season. nobody.
the fact that Jed knows what happened in those personnel meetings and is still interested in him says a lot.
by Jaxson876 on Dec 30, 2010 5:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
True, and look at the last couple drafts; not bad at all
Of course, previous to the 2010 draft because we cannot predict how those players will turn out. However, i must say that i like Adams, Iupati, Mays, Dixon and Byham
2009: Crabtree, Taylor and Ricky-Jean Francois (Coffee retired, McKillop on IR, and Davis hasn’t been given a chance)
2008: Josh Morgan, Reggie Smith (i have to say this draft blew hard; Balmer, and Rachal OUCH)
2007: Willis, Staley, McDonald, Goldson, Brown
2006: V. Davis, Lawson, Haralson, Walker
Not bad if you ask me!!!
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
I agree that Baalke is Good. I think we need Great to get the playoffs however.
Baalke appears to be good as player personnel guy, we just don’t know too much about his qualities beyond that. I’d prefer a tried and tested type of GM first, and later if Baalke continues with some awesome drafts, then yes.
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Yawn...
This all gets so tiring.
A GM will be named, and a new HC will be hired. We can assume, postulate, speculate, and analyze ad-nauseum but it makes no difference. we have zero impact and are simply along for the ride. Everyone should just chill, grab a beer and some chips, sit back & relax and see how this unfolds.
by ColoradoNiner on Dec 30, 2010 5:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Just a question...
What would you guys think if Martz was HC? He stated recently he wants to be an HC again.
No thanks
The 49ers need to rid themselves of Coryell’s digit offense. it hasn’t worked in SF over the past 5 years.
by Lone Wolf 81 on Dec 30, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
I'd like to submit a link to a video of a guy I think would make a great GM for the niners
"People are on to us right now. They're got our number. We have to regroup and start doing something a little more different. I'm not saying we're predictable, but when you've got the opponent out there calling out plays, and they know what's coming, then we've got a problem. They know what plays we're calling. They pretty much know what routes we're running. They pretty much have us down right now." -
-- Jerry Rice
"People are on to us right now. They're got our number. We have to regroup and start doing something a little more different. I'm not saying we're predictable, but when you've got the opponent out there calling out plays, and they know what's coming, then we've got a problem. They know what plays we're calling. They pretty much know what routes we're running. They pretty much have us down right now." -
-- Jerry Rice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qcLy8h9grQ
"People are on to us right now. They're got our number. We have to regroup and start doing something a little more different. I'm not saying we're predictable, but when you've got the opponent out there calling out plays, and they know what's coming, then we've got a problem. They know what plays we're calling. They pretty much know what routes we're running. They pretty much have us down right now." -
-- Jerry Rice
Jed York Knows That The Team Needs A Fresh Start... Why Won't He Do It?
McCloughan and Baalke have assembled a fine “power” football team. It is too bad that “power” football hasn’t worked for 30 years (with a few random exceptions here and there). NFL has been a finesse league ever since Bill Walsh installed the west coast offense.
All of the Baalke quotes give me no confidence that he will be able to make the necessary changes in order for the 49ers to compete (and changes are necessary). Doing more of the same is a recipe for failure. Baalke seems like a fine scout, but we need wholesale changes and to rid the team of all traces of the Nolan / Singletary era.
Here are some players that Baalke teams have drafted over the years.
I understand that he wasn’t the primary decision maker in most/all of these decisions, however, it must be noted that he did play in intregal part in scouting said players.
1st round: S- Sean Taylor, TE- Vernon Davis, WR- Michael Crabtree, LB- Patrick Willis, DE- Shaun Ellis, DE- John Abraham, QB- Chad Pennington, LB- Manny Lawson, OT- Joe Staley,
2nd round: CB- Fred Smoot, G- Randy Thomas
3rd round: RB- Frank Gore, WR- Lavernious Coles, OT- Derick Dockery, TE- Chris Cooley, DL- Ray McDonald
4th round: OL- Jason Fabini, S- Dashon Goldson
5th round: LB- Parys Haralson, TE- Robert Royal
6th round: WR- Josh Morgan, TE- Delanie Walker
7th round: DT- Ricky-Jean Francois, RB- Rock Cartwright
Well we know his teams like TEs, too bad we have Vernon Davis huh? Anyway, this will at least give some of you an example of what philosophy he may bring to the GM position, if hired
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 30, 2010 7:21 PM PST reply actions
1st rd QB's 3 of the 6 picked
hardly any 2nd round picks, though that probably wasn’t his doing at all…lots of late round picks
Trust me, I have no idea either.
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