Report: 49ers QB Alex Smith To Start Sunday
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2010 7:46 PM PST
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PrintAn hour ago, Jason LaCanfora tweeted that Alex Smith would again be the 49ers starting QB:
Alex Smith is again 49ers starting QB. Coach Mike Singletary met with his staff in San Fran when the decision was made. Troy Smith backs up
Thanks to Since79 and demise for their FanPosts on the topic, but obviously this is a discussion worthy of the front page. Since79 and others are vociferously against this decision and were so even before the announcement. The 49ers QB situation as is has arguments coming in from all over the place. We've got some folks who want Troy Smith running things, others want Alex Smith, and even others want Nate Davis to get his chance before the season ends. Poor David Carr has no support...that we know of.
At this point, the ups and downs of the 49ers 2010 season leave me baffled and confused. Troy Smith has shown some ability but he's also struggled with accuracy at times. Of course, he's only had five starts for the 49ers so he certainly should get some benefit of the doubt. At the same time, some folks believe in absolutes like the idea that none of the 49ers current QBs will EVER be good in the NFL. I don't buy into the absolutes but I am definitely not remotely confident that any of these guys is the answer.
We don't really know how this season would be going had Smith stayed healthy in the Carolina game. The 49ers may have won the game, or they may have still lost the game. We can only speculate and thus will never really know the truth for sure. Instead we get yet another resurrection of Alex Smith. I think this qualifies as his third life give or take. He was the guy until his shoulder injury. Life two was when he came in against Houston last year and carried through to Houston this year. Now we're onto his third life in this final quarter of the season.
It seems like Troy Smith had a problem with preferring the deep ball too frequently, while Alex Smith was too quick to dump it off underneath. Troy Smith was more likely to run around trying to create something and inevitably hold onto the ball too long, while Alex was quick to throw it away when necessary. They both have their positives and they both have their negatives. Mike Singletary at this point seems to just be throwing out whatever he can and pray it works. I'm not holding my breath at this point so we'll see how it plays out.
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Mike Singletary at this point seems to just be throwing out whatever he can and pray it works.
Pretty much sums up the best of his head coaching ability lol
this is some bull
this team is a complete joke, Troy Smith is not the reason we lost to the bucs and Packers
by 49erEmpire on Dec 6, 2010 7:52 PM PST via mobile reply actions
now Alex will have a good game against a bad Seahawks defense and Dingleberry will try to tell us Alex is the future when he clearly is not
by 49erEmpire on Dec 6, 2010 7:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Smith sucked the first time around
Just run the ball on our suddenly sucky run D.
I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".
no, but alex is always the reason we lose
9/8/10: 49ers go 11-5, Lose to Falcons first round. Smitty: 3500/25/15. Gore: 1300 yards, 10 TDs. Crabtree: 1000 yards, 7 TDs. Vernon: 900 yards, 8 TDs
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 6, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
Always
How can you not see that? You must have a high school diploma or something.
by randolphforpresident on Dec 6, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
Sarcasm fail
Noone is saying Alex is the only reason we lose. But you CANNOT say, in any of the first 5 losses, that he didn’t contribute to them. Some games quite significantly.
How has Troy lost us either of the games we lost? Seriously, I would like you to explain.
He didn't single-handedly lose the games
But he did contribute to the losses. You know how many huge sacks Troy has taken since he has become the starter? Sacks at times that we just can’t afford them. And guess what? That doesn’t show up in the QB rating buddy.
by randolphforpresident on Dec 6, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
what about ill timed turnovers???
…Alex Smith’s specialty
Notice he was responding to the question on how Troy has contributed to losses
Not defending Alex Smith. The real problem isn’t Smith vs. Smith, it’s that the 49ers overall have far too many players contributing to losing.
No
I’d argue too many coaches contributing to losing.
by mr. instigator on Dec 7, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
The first sentence says, "Noone is saying Alex is the only reason we lose"
I didn’t say he did it single-handed. But he was a significant contribution. And I would take sacks all day over INTs or fumbling the ball without being touched and allow the other team to grab it and run it back for 6.
Alex Smith has taken a few huge sacks of his own.......
the few times he hasn’t fumbled it away or thrown it away illegally and got an intentional grounding penalty he’s taken some pretty big ones. Like in the Atlanta game where he took us out of field goal range once with a sack, then got a penalty with another on an intentional grounding. Add that in with Alex being a turnover machine and it’s no contest. It’s a disgrace that he’s allowed to start again for the Niners if you ask me. The one good thing that may come of it, is we may actually lose convincingly enough to end both the Alex Smith and Mike Singletary experiments once and for all
Alex has taken more than 2 sacks in a game only once this year
In the debacle at KC he took 5.
Through 6 1/2 games he took 13 sacks. Those grounding calls were outright bull.
Troy has taken 16 through 5 games. 1 of those games being against the horrific Denver team in London and since the Rams game has averaged just over 45% completions.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
Yes he is
He brought no points to the table no “big plays” after the rams game and just check out his stats dude before u comment.
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."-Bill shankly
Pure desperation from Singletary
If SF loses just promote N. Davis and cut David Carr. See what happens.
I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".
Still.
This is the reason why Troy should start; he may not be the reason we win every game, but he isn’t really the reason why we lose. We don’t have a winning quarterback, so we should just play the not-loser.
Nail on the head
we don’t have someone who will go win us games, we just can’t afford to send a QB out there who will cost us games. Not sure what I mean? Wait til Sunday……..
By taking 5 sacks a game like Troy?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2010 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
still way better then smith
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 6, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
He should have like 10
A lot of horrible passes that were miracles not to be picked
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
Desperation move by a desperate coach knowing his time as the HC is about to end
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants
I got a weird feeling
That when the seasons over the team will fire Singletary but will keep most of the staff especially our offensive coach and they will resign Alex Smith because of his familiarity with the offense, also I like the move because A.Smith was doing better before he got hurt but we all seen this before and I actually hoped that either Carr or Davis got the start, might be the only one but I know Singletary is letting A.Smith finish what he started. Here’s to a top draft pick but more importantly a NEW PROVEN COACH.
What I woudln't give for a good QB... sigh
Troy Smith is our future
by return2greatness on Dec 6, 2010 8:04 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
What does it matter
It won’t change anything. We still aren’t going to make the playoffs, even if we did, all it’s going to do is hurt our draft. Singletary will still be fired I hope. It doesn’t really matter who starts if we continue to try and run Westbrook up the middle instead of to the outside and in the passing game with screens. What does it matter who QBs for us when we don’t know how to utilize the talent we do have in the offense. No need to get all worked up over this. Frankly this team is going to look a LOT different next year. I doubt any of the top 3 QBs will even be here next year.
The only scary things I’d like to add would be Alex earning himself an extension with a lights out next 4 games to rally us to playoffs. York sticking with Singletary because he doesn’t want to pay TWO coaches next year with no CBA and it’s just that much harder to chance the offense and defense with no Training Camp if no CBA.
Frankly, NFL teams need to think of every game as a game to win. I’m getting tired of people saying that we should just lose games to get a better draft. This sets horrible precedent for the team. When players are taught to give up, they are no longer professionals. In no other job would somebody allow a fundamental failure to execute. These players are professions. It’s pretty insulting to insinuate that they should simply give up for the sake of the draft. In no way am I standing up for Sing (or this decision), but if he thinks that he needs to make this change to win, he needs to do it. Panthers, Bills, whoever. All teams should be trying to win.
So, if Alex goes lights out (which he won’t), then great. That gets us into the playoffs. Anything can happen. The Giants won the World Series (largely against the odds). The Cardinals two years ago were the “joke” team in the playoffs, and they went to the Super Bowl.
Anyway, if there are players that we want so badly in the draft but are too high to get, then trade up. We did it with Davis. I imagine we would do it again.
I'm not saying we should purposely lose games
Just that it’s not going to change anything for us. Either Smith, and the team still will be outcoached, with a horrible game plan, and most likely rewarded with a loss.
if we continue to try and run Westbrook up the middle
When did we do that? You mean the Monday night game successfully against AZ? Cause it certainly wasn’t yesterday.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Yes it was
We ran Westbrook I think 9 times, 7 were up the middle, one off guard, and one to the outside in garbage time.
Read ESPN, Sando breaks it down and questions why we didn’t run outside more.
Yesterday was a passing game plan
They didn’t run enough to set up a pattern, though I recall Dixon on a few toss sweeps slipping and falling.
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True
But him slipping is not a reason to not try it again. Or try it with Westbrook, who is known for running outside? Dixon is a powerback, and most likely of the two to be successful up the gut.
Dixon is quicker than Westbrook now. He’s got quick feet and IMO can run up the gut or off tackle like Jacobs in NY. Westbrook no longer has his speed. Outside runs, unless they catch the D off guard, won’t work the way they did in Philly.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
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Lightning and Thunder
Didn’t Sing say he wanted Dixon to be the Thunder but then he gives him the sweeps, and Westbrook the runs up the middle?
Westbrook is faster if you ask me. He has more burst and can turn the corner quicker since he is more agile. Dxon can’t even stay on his feet.
Isn't that good game planning?
Dixon outside and BW inside? Cross up the D and don’t do what they expect, as so many here have requested.
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Does it matter if you cross up the D if you are running Moran Norris to the outside
I get that it’s not the same. But do you think teams are surprised Chris Johnson runs to the outside? You do what fits your talent. You don’t try to cross up the D by running a fragile RB, with concussion issues up the gut everytime when he excels and made his PROBOWL career running to the outside and catching passes out of the backfield. You don’t annoint him lightening, then run up the middle, or annoint Dixon thunder and run him outside. That’s Johnson’s and Sing’s only idea to game plan. Hey let’s bring in our short yardage personell and run to the outside. That’s NOT how you win.
Neither of these guys is Chris Johnson
And BW is no longer the back he was. So going with the unconventional would help.
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exactly
He ran outside once, think start of the 3rd, for a decent gain. Then up the middle the rest of the time. I am waiting for them to give him Gore’s jersey. Name, numbers and all. The name being different on the back must be confusing to them. I don’t think they understand they are two different RBs.
I don't get why
Correct me if I am wrong, but we did not throw a single screen to Westbrook on Sunday. It used to be kind of his bread and butter, which may seem obvious to any team with a half decent gameplan but who knows.
It's obvious to every commentator
Fan, defense, girl scout, nun… the list goes on.
Just not to our coaching staff.
Likely two reasons
You screen to slow the pass rush which for once was not an issue yesterday. Second, BW is not the guy he was two years ago. He’s a nice backup RB. The guy you’re thinking of now wears #25 in Philly which is why BW was let go.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
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Eh
I really don’t think he has lost as much of as step as people say, his issue has been more with concussions than just his age. I know the cards didn’t compete but some of his runs were just like his old self. Also he’s been on a couple of screens throughout the season and I remember at least 2 going for more than 10 yards, I however conveniently forgot which games.
MJ ran Gore plays for Westbrook -- terrible play calling
Did he think he could get away with it after Monday night? No sweeps, no screens, just up the middle. Interestingly, when I criticized his play calling in the second quarter, some Niners Nation folks rose to his defense. I wonder why MJ gets a free pass, while Sing gets all the blame. MJ can’t incorporate Westbrook after several months while Pats can make a weapon out of Danny Woodhead in a fortnight.
I can’t put it better than Eric Branch. Here’re some quotes from his blog:
“Westbrook had nine carries. And, on the play-by-play sheet, seven of those runs were up the middle and one was over left guard. Westbrook did run outside on one occasion … when San Francisco was trailing 34-16 with three minutes remaining.
Last week, the Falcons beat the Packers 20-17 in a game in which running back Michael Turner (23 carries, 110 yards) attacked Green Bay on the outside.
Those Falcons. What a bunch of pansies. The physical, excuse me, fhysical Niners are going to establish the run. Up the gut. Even if my daughters — and Packers defensive tackle B.J. Raji — know what’s coming.
“Unlike last week where Michael Turner and those guys were bouncing it outside, these guys were determined to hit it downhill in the A and B gaps,” Raji said. “I knew myself and the D-linemen we have, if we did our jobs, we’d be fine.”
And the Packers were fine."
Except Dixon did run outside.
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Which makes it unpredictable right?
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It doesn't matter dude.
It doesn’t matter if Moran Norris running to the outside is unpredictable, it doesn’t work. Neither is sending him deep because he can’t catch.
Running up the middle out of a spread formation is unpredictable, but it doesn’t work because you don’t have the blockers. You do what your guys are good at. Do you try to stay slightly unpredictable, yes, but to have a RB that made his ProBowl career by doing something specifically well, and not ever doing it, is absolutely retarded.
It’s almost trying to out think stupid. Just because it’s not expected, doesn’t mean it works. You still have to have the right people in to make it work. A better idea, is to run Westbrook up the middle, to the outside, etc…not just trying to do the exact opposite of what made him a future HOF RB.
Cmon can’t you see that? I can’t keep going back and forth on this because I’m in Thailand and Internet is spotty.
I addressed you up above.
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And I still don't agree
Westbrook has shown he can be an effective back. I think what makes him an effective back is running to the outside, and catching passes out of the backfield. Neither of which we did. Honestly I think you have to show the defense different looks, but that means running Westbrook up the middle from time to time so the defense doesn’t key in only on the outside game when he is in. But by no means do you ONLY run him up the middle. It’s ridiculous. This guy is a Hall of Famer because of his explosiveness around the edge, and his ability to catch the screen pass out of the backfield. So yes, in our infinite wisdom, let’s not let him do either.
I now firmly believe, it doesn't matter
The thing I was afraid of with Troy coming in the way he did, is that he would look crappy. Even with Carr, you couldn’t have PLANNED a better way to make him look like the worst QB ever, than the playcalls when he came in. Then Troy got his chance the next game, with similarly horrid playcalling, little preparation with the Offense, and asked to come in and perform miracles. Well, he did enough to win, and get me excited in his first start. Blew my mind in his second start. But wait, afterward, Sing is anything but happy saying, “He did a lot of things I didn’t like. We’ll work on that.”
And work on that he did. Not only did Troy get less attempts, he got less creative play calling (yep, it’s possible). Nothing that worked against St. Louis has been seen again. Okay, maybe once or twice. No, success is not a good gameplan. Sing wants to grind out the short yardage, chew up the clock. Fine, put Alex in. I was done with Sing before this announcement.
And although, I was going to go see my first (and maybe last) NFL game next Sunday in San Francisco, I will NOT go watch Alex QB. I just have to save some money, fly down after I move up to Alaska, when we get a real coach and a decent QB. I would pay to see Troy btw. Hell, I would pay to see Carr or Nate. I am sick and tired of watching Alex.
by AKinferno on Dec 6, 2010 8:05 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Big fat f***ing REC for you
jacobtaylor2002
by jacobtaylor2002 on Dec 6, 2010 8:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I think this is part of it
but surely you will recognize that he preformed really well against two pretty crappy teams…
I am not going to go into all that again
That horse was beat to death, beat some more, creamated, and the ashes were stomped on. Me and Effage could write a book just on our comments in those threads alone. Short of it is, Alex played horrible against real shitty teams, pretty good against some good teams, but never good enough to win. He averaged 13.2 points per game. That includes his garbage touchdown in the last seconds of our KC loss that got Morgan hurt. Take that away and he would have been 32nd in the NFL. So, the 3 teams he played this year that have Defenses ranked WORSE than the Rams, when did he put up numbers like Troy? When in his NFL career against any team has he? The answer to that would be never.
Oh I am not advocating for Alex for sure. I am would much prefer Troy for sure. I’m just arguing that Troy didn’t get worse because of only reduced attempts and less creative play calling. That may be part of it, but there are other reasons too—opponent talent for one. Not opponent talent in comparison to Alex. Not at all.
People have been saying those first teams were crappy
But if you look at the rankings, the Rams were the 15th ranked D when Troy destroyed them. I’ll give you Denver, but they still ranked above Carolina. Alex scored 10 points against them in just over 2 quarters of play, looking horrible the whole time he was doing it.
People also haven’t mentioned, Troy has had a more busted up O-line (even if the rookies started playing better, the vets were all 2nd and 3rd string), a game without Gore, a couple games where VD had limited play cause of ankle issues, no training camp, learning plays week to week, had 3 TD passes nullified due to needless team penalties, and only had two previous NFL starts.
So, given all that, he is 3-2. I would love for someone to explain to me how that is bad? Or how it is worse than Alex’s 1-5 start before injury.
You still keep thinking I am comparing Troy and Alex. I’m not, so your question is obsolete. I think Troy is better. What I am saying is that the Broncos and Rams are not as good as Bucs and Packers. Not even close. So, this is naturally going to have an effect on Troy’s play. To say that the disparity in play between the two wins and the two loses (not including Arizona because running the game was smart) is only because “Troy got less attempts … [and] less creative play calling” is not entirely true. It is completely part of it, but not the entirety.
I realize you weren't, but the thread is about Alex
And there are still some hangers on who feel he is better. I even worded my question “I would love for someone”, not directing it at you. Of course, none of the Alex supporters will respond to that question. They will find some other way to make Alex seem like a decent QB. Too bad every possible stat make that impossible.
But, I agree Troy didn’t play as well. But they also didn’t really play to his strengths. It really seems like everything that worked against the Rams hasn’t been seen again. So, has Troy failed to execute on the plays that were called, yes. Can everyone, including the announcers, see that it is because they aren’t utilizing he in the way he is most effective, yes. I think Troy has potential. I don’t think he is great right now, but I also don’t think he is losing us games. That was all I was trying to say.
And I am not saying Troy is the next coming of Young or anything like that
Just that he is better than Alex, and will be better than Alex. Alex is not a leader, at all. He was asked if he wanted to start in the St. Louis game and he said, “I haven’t had to play without a full week of prep, I am not comfortable with that.” He is a loser.
He was told someone else was starting...
And he was coming off of a shoulder injury. Let’s all remember what happened the last time he came back too early from a shoulder injury… That worked out well, didn’t it?
So what are you saying?
That he lied about he shoulder being better so he could make himself sound like a douche?
Or that Nolan called him a pansy for not wanting to play with the shoulder...
And so he played and then it was made significantly worse. Mike Nolan screwed that one up hard.
That doesn't explain his comment before the St. Louis game
Which is what I was talking about?
Sorry... wrong game.
For the STL game? What would you like him to do, say he wants to start and then start another QB controversy on a team that is in need of significantly less drama?
Say what you will about Smith, both Smiths, they’ve been class acts through this entire ordeal.
How about..
“Of course I want to start, I am an NFL QB. But I support my team, and Troy played really well and earned another start. And even though I have been cleared, a little extra time to heal can’t hurt. We remember what happened last time I came in too soon off an injured shoulder, hahahah” <—— Not a douche
“I don’t feel comfortable playing without a whole week of practice.” <— douche
dont' get it
But if my vocabulary offends your sensitivities…
replace: Not a douche
with: Someone who might make a good team leader
replace: douche
with: Waste of a roster spot.
WAT.
Who questioned his “Leadership” while he was hurt this season?
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Alex Smith
didn’t play too well against the crappiest team in the NFL……true he got hurt towards the end and couldn’t finish. However we lost to the flippin Carolina Panthers with Alex Smith as our starter. Their sole win of the season I might add. I don’t buy that crappy team argument one bit. In the NFL a win is a win.
yes sir
my biggest worry is they bring back alex next year
if he has one or two decent games they might use the same reasoning as last year
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 7, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Our first drive we scored easily
Then the play calling became 3 runs and a punt. That was literally the very next drive. 3 runs and a punt.
Alex has scored consistently on the first drive since MJ took over. After that Sings philosophy becomes paramount
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
Actually that is not true
The next drive was 9 plays, the biggest of which was Alex throwing late on a deep pass to Morgan who was wide open for a near 40 yard gain. Except Alex was late and threw it too far out bounds, even though the receiver was wide open. The play calling was just fine. Execution by the QB? Not so much.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
jed york
all him
maybe he needs a wedgy or gatorade dumped over his head
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 6, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Yesterday's game plan was solid
Execution not so much. It’s been very good in 3 of the last 4 games. The one where it wasn’t was bad on everyone, players included.
Troy’s regression is less about play-calling and more about other teams having a resume on him. They are attacking his strengths and exposing his weaknesses. It happens, especially to a decent at best QB. I support him playing over Alex just to see if he can learn from his mistakes but it’s not been about the play calling with Troy.
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If the game plan was so solid...
maybe they would have actually made shorter passes instead of chuck the ball deep and pray.
Oh, and adjust at the half.
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If the QB isn't checking down from the longer routes...
Does it matter? That’s probably what Mike Johnson is telling Singletary. And it’s probably something he’s been trying to fix but the fix isn’t taking.
At first..
it was Alex Smith being to hesitant and dumping the ball off or throwing it out of bounds. Then, Troy Smith comes in and heaves the ball around deep and recklessly, and fans and Sing call that Leadership. Now, Troy is seen as a one trick pony, and now it’s back to Alex going into a shell when he gets rattled.
Good freakin’ times.
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One hopes that they've managed to work on that...
An O-Line doing a better job of keeping him upright would quickly cure the getting rattled problem. Also, being able to have someone toss the 5-10 yard quick slants to blow up blitzes will take pressure off the O-Line.
It's Week 12.
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I think short routes were there
It’s not yet a part of Troy’s field vision to see them. It’s a weakness of his and the Bucs exposed it big time. He had two chances to complete called slant plays and pumped out of hesitation. I’m not sure if he made his decision too slowly or if he’s just not comfortable making short throws in traffic as opposed to deep throws in traffic.
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Well..
I can’t say Sundays game plan was solid, since Singletary said that part of the game plan was to keep the game close, and someone forgot to tell Singletary he was facing Rodgers. Having 10 second head clock Troy didn’t seem to help either.
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So our roster includes a QB who holds it for ten seconds, one who rolls right and throws it away after two seconds (behind the same OL), one who gets sacked as he dresses in the locker room, and one who didn’t study hard enough in the off season. How did we get here?
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Because the HC knows nothing..
about offense and QBs, and leaves it to his OC’s, who just aren’t and weren’t very good.
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Of the four, who would you play this weekend?
And which do you think will still be in the league on a roster in four years?
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Out of the QBs'?..
I would have put in Alex in the second half of the last game. But if he threw a pick or two, it might have ruined his confidence for this game. But I still think he should not be on the roster next season, and the 49ers go after either Kolb, or try and go after Matt Flynn using the WCO.
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Flynn?
Hmm, you may want to call that in to the new HC. Or Baalke now since he’s likely to still be around.
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Why not?...
GB fans seem to be high on the guy, and he is sitting behind Rodgers in a favorable situation. Rodgers ain’t going anywhere soon, so he is worth a shot. I don’t know what they would have to give up for him, but if it ain’t much, why not?
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No disagreement
I like that someone (you) actually has researched a solution. I’m fine with Baalke giving it a shot, especially if the new HC runs a Walsh-tree system. It would show that there is a plan.
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Even Troy Smith..
could be a good backup in the WCO. Everybody thinks he is Vick like. I see him more like McNabb. I think he is mediocre now, and not really worth getting high over, but mobility is a nice thing to have in that offense. I don’t see his as starter material yet, but if he is retained, with Flynn or Kolb, and a nice draft pick, you have a better roster than the 49ers do now. If they get Luck, all bets are off, and that would mean the WCO back in the house.
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Luck
If he comes out, I’ll be interested to see what fans would be willing to give up and trade for him. We’re likely going to win at least two more games so 6-10 this year means drafting around the 10th spot. How much will people, come April with a new HC, be willing to sacrifice?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 6, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
Lets not forget the reports saying the Bucs knew the play calls
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Have to disagree about the "solid game plan"
They are trying to make Troy play like Alex. But he isn’t, and that is where the gameplan fails. Just like they are trying to make Westbrook play like Gore. But he isn’t, so it also fails. To say teams know Troy so now he sucks is not accurate. The way they have used Troy after the Rams game has been drastically different than they did in that game. They even changed up the way they run in that game. Most of the runs were to the outside. Did you see that yesterday? I saw a few outside run attempts. Did you see slants? Those were Very effective.
And our defensive gameplan was pretty good in the first half, but bombed in the second. The GB defense made adjustments in the second half too. What did we do? The same thing with did in the first half. That is not a solid game plan.
Didn't say he "sucks"
I said he’s regressed which is to be expected when people have film on a young QB, especially one whose ceiling is likely not that high.
I did see some slants attempted except Troy pulled it down. Why? Don’t know, but he likely does not trust himself throwing into small windows in short zones. Teams now know this and prefer to take away deeper passes. Worked very well for Tampa. I also think it’s important to remember that MJ is trying to figure out what Troy does best. He did not have training camp or pre-season games to learn about his player in his system.
I did see outside runs yesterday. Unfortunately, Dixon kept sliding down.
A key play was a goal to go play where Westbrook got stuffed. Plummer mentioned on radio that if Alex or an experienced QB had been in the game, he’d have known to audible to either an outside run or pass play but Troy can’t yet do that. This is part of what you live with playing a young QB who has limited experience in the offense. That’s not the fault of the game plan.
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Oh Jesus dude
Troy threw at least 10 passes that not just COULD but SHOULD have been picked.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
Alex threw 9 that were picked in exactly the same number of games
And a few that should have been as well.
Alex actually moves the ball and scores touchdowns though
Troy doesn’t. He’s gotten lucky he hasn’t turned the ball over left and right also.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2010 2:59 AM PST up reply actions
He scores touchdowns? You must be talking about a defferent Alex.
Alex Smith had the second worst points per game in the league. He was only that high because he got a garbage touchdown in the last second of the KC game, where we were down 28 points, and they stopped playing. Morgan got hurt on that play if you remember. Without that, he would have been the worst in the NFL.
Alex had 10 TDs when he went out
How many does Troy have?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
what playbook?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 6, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't the fact that our receivers prefer Alex say anything to you guys?
by randolphforpresident on Dec 6, 2010 8:09 PM PST reply actions
That’s not true.
Except for the beginning of the season and that was Crabtree’s own fault for being a diva during preseason.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think so. Crabtree was awful starting the season.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
truth
Crabtree and VD both had TD catches in the rain against the Raiders who have turned out to be decent.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
Bad day for Alex having to play under Sing again and even worst he has to play infront of all those ignorant fan's whom were chanting ...
…. WE WANT CARR… or the more ignorant one’s whom were clapping when he got hurt …!!
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by Edggy on Dec 6, 2010 8:10 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
You don't understand
For each Alex Smith turnover the fans get a free car. That’s what they were chanting.
I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".
by SSreporters on Dec 6, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
you first
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 6, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
yes, i got one
hot wheels baby
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 6, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
I wasted money for season tickets on this team I would have rather spent money on watching the Giants in the World Series had I known this team would be such a joke
by 49erEmpire on Dec 6, 2010 8:14 PM PST via mobile reply actions
something tells me that Alex Smith will play well enough to make a push for .500 season giving singletary a breath of life
I know it seems unrealistic cuz most everyone thinks hes on his way out, however with the yorks running things, dont be suprised to see singletary get another chance. Its clear that the yorks have their smell all over our decade of shame, since their control of the team, nothings changed and nothing will. We could land a gem in the draft, hire a decent coach, talk a big game about how next year is the year, but this show has played itself out about 3 times now in the last 8 years, and I pretty much know how it ends
Alex can go 4-0 and win a playoff game
Sing is not coming back. Such a run might help bring Alex back but the HC change is coming.
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Yup
Sing is DONE. If Alex has a great last 4 he will come back
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I have the same sense about it, too. Sing is all but gone. Alex at least has this last month to make a case for himself.
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This might be more for other team's around the league in reference to Alex ...
… lot’s is pending on the new H,C , if they get an Offensive Qb type H,C. , think’n they resign him …!!
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Ok, send a terminator back in time to kill Alex Smith
After that send another terminator back to the 2005 draft.
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I thought it was best for the organization to let Sing finish the season.
My opinion has now changed.
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by jacobtaylor2002 on Dec 6, 2010 8:14 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I still think he should finish the season
Only a few more miserable games left. Then we can start a true coaching search to go along with our QB search.
Never forget, I'm an idiot.
Singletary just needs Alex to be the fall guy and take the focus off the crummy defense.
Alex is getting thrown under the bus a bit, but at the same time he is being given another opportunity to prove himself a a starting NFL QB (probably for another team).
Over
thrown under the bus, he is the bus driver
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 6, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
Because we all know Fooch is too smart to be roped into playing QB for this terrible team.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
Lawyers aren’t good QBs. Their huddles turn into speeches. We think Alex has bad delay of game habits…
good point
I’d have a debate about the play-calling going on, especially with this play-calling.
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
Steve Young went to law school after retiring
I wear my sunglasses at night so I can, so I can...
Darn you Singletary
I'm pretty sure if he did it before becoming a QB he would still be awesome
I wear my sunglasses at night so I can, so I can...
Darn you Singletary
I have a tough time picking up on sarcasm
I’ve lived a sheltered life
I wear my sunglasses at night so I can, so I can...
Darn you Singletary
Either way lawyers can be good QB's
I wear my sunglasses at night so I can, so I can...
Darn you Singletary
Explains it
Joe never went to law school while playing ball.
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Um Steve Young is a lawyer
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
well....
I figured everybody would vote for me. So maybe the poll should read, other than Fooch, who should start on Sunday
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
This reminds me of a team..
that switched between Jay Schroeder and Marc Wilson throughout a season.
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I grew up around Raiders fans singing the praises of both.
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And everybody wanted Vince Evans..
the Nate Davis of the Raider 80’s.
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I wonder where Vince is?
He earned a lot of money sitting around being a 3rd string QB in his 40s.
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Al Davis loved the guy..
so maybe he is on his staff somewhere.
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I was thinking of the Bears
Who switched from Harbaugh to Tomczak to Harbaugh to Tomczak to … all the while not making a difference.
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So which of ours becomes a top college HC one day?
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Alex easily
He’s working on his 7th pro offense.
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The caveat being..
he is working on his 7th “Pro” offense,
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I don't know if Jimmy Raye's qualified as pro
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2010 3:00 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t know. Feels a lot like the old Schuler/Frerotte days in Washington to me.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 7, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Shuler? Whatever his name was.
Placeholder.
by howtheyscored on Dec 7, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
He's a politician in NC now.
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One reason
There is one reason and one reason only why the 9ers are a losing team. It’s Singletary and no one else. You look at the winning teams and they mix their offense up and plan to get receivers open. Even though Johnson is offensive coordinator it’s obvious Singletary is behing the game planning. He is in way over his head.
its jed
he has to be the one pushing this alex smith joke. seriously
nolan did this also.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 6, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
Haha
If you think only replacing Sing turns this team into a winning squad you’ve suffered under losing for too long.
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It couldn't hurt
He’s been horrible. Bad enough he should have been canned before the Vikes and Boys canned their coaches.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
He's not ideal for a HC
But he’s not as bad as some think. He gets blamed for everything, even things that don’t actually happen, or, that all teams do.
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Childress? Wade?
You want either of them?
Gailey. Lewis. Kubiak. McDaniels.
I do wonder where the latter two will end up as an OC.
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Over Sing yes.
Do I want them at the end of the year? No, but I think they would have done a better job than Singletary.
McDaniels is the only one I think did a worse job than Sing. Sing had some major personell issues too so it’s not like he is that far ahead of McD.
Personnel issues?
You mean like making a waste of draft space feel so uncomfortable that he quit? Or that he couldn’t talk a guy of of serving God instead of football? These are the kinds of things I mean when I say that Sing gets blamed for silly things.
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Cutting MRob?
Putting all his eggs in Alex basket? Starting Mays too soon. Benching Spikes for Bowman when he wasn’t ready.
Cmon, there are a lot of things he has messed up on.
M-Rob was a huge error. Absolutely. Starting Mays over Lewis was the right thing to do. He showed he was not up to par with Reggie Smith ad they made that change but I’m glad they gave the young guy a chance. Same with Bowman, though again, they ended the experiment when it wasn’t working. As for Alex? Not sure what else he could’ve done. He didn’t want Carr and got Troy in there when he became available.
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Then you'd have a team that quit
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I think it's more than the Coach
I think Favre was a huge issue with Minn.
I think the Cowboys didn’t take well to Wade’s coaching style. They needed a drill seargant more than a buddy. But still think Wade is a better coach than Sing.
You are absolutely crazy
Wade is a big part of why that team underachieved. And yes Favre was a big part of the problem, but Childress was certainly not free of fault.
I don’t think Wade even has enough discipline for an avg team, much less one with egos like the Cowboys. And there is no way Childress gets this team to play hard as long as they have.
Players do not trust Childress even with the Brett drama. Yes, Favre made it all worse but Childress kissed the ring and chauffeured him.
Would I take Wade as a coordinator over Sing? Yes. As a leader of a group? No.
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Wade is not HC material
he proved that earlier with the Bills and the Broncos, if I remember correctly.
You do.
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If nothing else canning Singletary right now shwos
that Jed York is actually living in the same reality as the rest of us.
It would be a bad business decision
And give the impression that Sing is the biggest problem. He’s not. If Sing were gone, fans would then turn all the anger from him toward the QB. We’ve got more than one flaw and firing Sing now would be a silly side show.
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Sure..
hiring Sing was a sound business decision for the short term. Like a one year return that will yield less season tickets in the future.
Gotta love those “business” decisions.
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Singletary is the biggest problem right now
but we’ve already determined you have rose-colored glasses on when it comes to his performance as head coach.
No
I just see all the flaws and they go deeper than him. He is not capable of turning this around. This is not is strength. But I also know that he does not waste timeouts every game as some incorrectly assume, or do horrible clock management. I also don’t think he puts his hand in the game plan; matter of fact one of his weaknesses is that he can not help his OC. Some criticisms are legit and explain why he will be gone. Others are just BS pilling on, negating to see the various weaknesses on the roster.
Perhaps you just have dark shades that allow in no light.
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I've never claimed any of those things
but it’s very clear to me that he has no idea what to do to fix this team, and as such is failing in his job as a head coach. You, on the other hand, claim that he is a “good enough” head coach (your own words), and by extension that means a 4-8 record is “good enough”, a carousel at QB is “good enough”, and a lack of effort on both sides of the ball (as witnessed in yesterday’s loss) is “good enough”.
I don’t regard those as being “good enough”.
I think QB is the biggest problem
Rodgers make a poor HC in Green Bay look good. He’s good enough. Give Sing Rodgers and he would be good enough with a better than 4-8 record. That wouldn’t change the fact that he’s not an ideal HC but his record would be better, thus he is good enough.
I also think many if not most of the HCs in the league were the HC here, we’d be not better than 5-7 because we don’t have a QB, a pass rusher or playmaker in the secondary.
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No way
You put any other coach here and we have another 2 wins at least.
But what you have to realize is even you think other coaches could win more games than Singletary with this team, and that to me, says it all. He has to go.
You're arguing that an 8-8 guys is so better than a 7-9 guy
You can have them both. I’m saying it’s all the same.
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Just think Singletary stinks.
If we had another coach, we would be in a better position than we are now.
RIght now we have no direction, no common theme, nothing to build on. It’s not like any of us see that it’s getting better, or we have direction, or the light at the end of the tunnel. We are getting worse.
we would be coached better
we lost many games this year from turnovers
take away a few turnovers and will bet you we have at least two more wins this year probably more. how many games did we lose by three or less. and the team was not ready nor did we have good game plan for seatle on opening day.
good coach will probably have this team at atleast .500
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 6, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
QB PROBLEMS ARE BIGGEST BY FAR.
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by rlott#42 on Dec 6, 2010 9:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
And those QB problems were created by the HC
it all goes back to him.
You can’t absolve him of this season.
They don't all go back to him
He didn’t bring in Carr, he cut Davis for not taking his job seriously and though he didn’t draft Alex he knew that was his best option at the time thus trying to give him all the support he could. Alex failed. No more excuses. If SIng were to have another season, which he will not, I’m sure he’d insist that Baalke get a new QB in here. I’m sure the new HC will too.
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who drafted alex?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 6, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
Not obsolving him at all , he isn’t the biggest prob but he needs to go.
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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2010 4:27 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
what a joke
they trying to make alex look good again and do the same bull shit all over again. sign no qb this offseason just bunch of bull shit how alex smith is god again.
do they think we are stupid to keep being fans?
just say bs and we keep being fans?
they wont even give nate davis a shot?
here goes a loss to seatle, 3 picks from alex and a fumble.
only question is will it take 3 or 5 minutes for alex to burn the time outs
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Kawakami says A. Smith marks return of last season's spread offense...
And I do hate when that happens. (@MaioccoCSN being right, that is.) I guess OC Mike Johnson gets his shot with some spread offense.
To which I say… FINALLY!
hmmmm
So maybe this is more about giving MJ a chance to prove himself?
Over
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
Prove himself as what?...
He has been pretty bad as OC.
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Well he was a big improvement on Jimmy Raye...
Until Singletary started talking about “controlling the clock” and running over people again. Then the playbook was locked up and we became the 85 Bears again – minus the defense and the powerful O-Line.
Please..
Johnson is in over his head. The offense is just as horrid as it was under Raye. Just look at 3rd down.
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With a QB that refuses to go for the 5-15yd routes...
You can’t convert third downs if your QB is always looking for the bomb
They were bad on 3rd down all season..
Jeebus, the bar is set lower than I thought.
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They were converting upwards of 50%...
That’s not great, but it’s not the +/- 15% were at right now.
They are 53-157 on 3rd down..
through 12 games. They are 30th in scoring. This is bad offense.
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Take over an offense with a shitty playback, plus major injuries on the OL and essentially no Qb, and two receiving options and you will lose at least 8 games without a top 3 defense.
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by rlott#42 on Dec 6, 2010 9:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Here comes the excuse train.
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The first couple games of the season I remember clearly that they were like best in the league converting on third downs.
Be careful making statements like this :
They were bad on 3rd down all season..
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by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
Do I have to use the stat again?..
52-157 on 3rd down.
They didn’t convert 157 3rd downs in 4 games?
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They've converted like 5 in the last 4 1/2 games
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
Under Alex we were closer to 50%
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
I think they're incredibly inconsistent with those
I recall having zero against STL and one against seattle. But they were 50% against New Orleans and better against ATL. Like the entire season, it fluctuates drastically.
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Mostly due to the situation..
like being in the fire drill offense. A lot of times, they were in 3rd an long situations that didn’t help them either. That’s why they were in a lot of 4th down situations where they had to go for it as well.
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Yep.
Up and down. To your point, they are not consistent week to week in converting but they also have done a poor job n first downs thus creating those many third downs.
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Not an excuse at all.
You know that not many, of any coaches could win with this roster
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by rlott#42 on Dec 6, 2010 9:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well, if they have to blow up this roster..
then Singletary ain’t the guy to have as HC.
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I agree with this Sing assessment
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Team needs an overhaul of 30 pct of the roster, due to lack of talent.
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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2010 4:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Way better than Raye.
I actually like the guy (relatively). I think he has a lot of potential—he needs the freedom to design his own playbook.
In a week?
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Here?..
Unless Gruden or Harbaugh retains him, maybe. But his halftime adjustments suck a** this season.
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Here or wherever
I wouldn’t necessarily mind keeping him (with a new head coach). I doubt that would happen, however, and my desire for a new HC is greater than my optimism for Johnson.
all this coach bashing and you want Gruden?
Laughable
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I have no idea why , we seem to be one the same page of late ... Yup bad O.C...!!
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This makes me a little bit happier with a pretty crappy decision…
If Johnson can be more creative, I might support this decision.
This seems much more like a move of desperation though.
Pretty much..
and like last season, hasn’t proved much in the win column.
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I’m hoping that this gives us a better shot at the playoffs than Troy. I don’t think it will, but here’s to hoping—desperation or not.
Here is what the offense will look like..
a mish mash of whatever works.
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If it’s working, then whatever. I am tired of losing; I want the playoffs. If we can mish mash our way there, great. In the off season regroup, get a legitimate QB, coach, and cornerback and come back mish mash free.
Well, it hasn't worked much in wins...
last season when they went with the spread after Alex started over Hill. Smith in the spread hasn’t produced much, and they use the spread more in fire drill offense after they are down by a few scores.
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All true, which is why I would like to see Troy stay in. However, if they are going to put Alex in, I think the best option is to use a more spread like offense. I think it gives us the best chance to win. Plus, I think Dixon and Westbrook are both suited for a shotgun / spread style offense. Dixon especially. I have a sliver of hope.
They used the shotgun spread last season..
and used it for the fire drill offense this season. Most of the time, it proved ineffective. Why? Because it’s more of a mish mash of a fire drill spread offense.
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Our 2 minute offense moved the ball pretty regularly when it was used.
At least with Alex.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it won a whole lot of games.
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Because it was fire drill offense..
that isn’t surgical, or by design. Thus, a loss.
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We might have been in those games...
Had someone insisted that we not emulate the Chicago Bears from 19-freaking-85 for 50 minutes of the ball game.
The spread isn't going to work all game long..
and the reason why they have to use it is because the QB is ineffective in a more conventional offense. If the QB isn’t good, the offense won’t be either.
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Tom Brady..
can work both offenses. Remember the “QB isn’t very good” portion of the post.
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Tom is actually better in a pro offense
See tonights game against the Jets.
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Worked for the 4time super bowl bills team
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Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
See above..
and we are talking Jim Kelley, with Thurman Thomas. In the 80’s.
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Alex has shown the inconsistant ability to look like Kelly when we turn the offense loose
And we have Gore and Westbrook. Neither are as good as Thomas but they aren’t far behind. Our line isn’t good enough yet but our WR corp + TE has every bit as much potential.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2010 3:06 AM PST up reply actions
AND THATS SINGS FAULT RIGHT?
I would have hated to inherit thT POS qb.
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by rlott#42 on Dec 6, 2010 9:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It's a total desperation move...
But the 49ers have to get the offense moving and Singletary can’t have a game plan that only works against what looks like the worst team in the NFL (the Cardinals.
And they couldnt do this with Troy
Im done with this coaching staff. They are all inept
by EcERyda69 on Dec 6, 2010 8:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Troy has never run anything like a spread...
Until very recently Jim Tressel made Jimmy Raye look downright innovative when it came to game planning.
Why didnt they do this at the beginning of the season
When it worked the last 4-5 games last year. Yeah Raye was still here but wouldnt you go with what Alex strengths where.
Sing has set us back another 2-3 years, I cant stand to see the niners like this any longer
by EcERyda69 on Dec 6, 2010 8:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I thought the 2WR, 2TE offense was actually pretty innovative...
And then it completely disappeared this year for reasons I don’t understand. Hmm… might have something to with the fact that Singletary doesn’t want to take risks and pounding the ball minimizes those risks.
I think they go 2TE pretty often
Important to remember that both Walker and Davis missed games.
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That's true...
But the spread out 2TE/2WR was something unique to the NFL and the 49ers didn’t even bother to build on that in the offseason for reasons beyond my understanding.
Supposedly they did
That was the talk of the offseason, how both VD and DW would get used. It happened in the first half of the opener and some vs NO. MJ planned for in ATL but Walker got injured. Then he came back from injury and VD got hurt., though Troy targeted Walker a bunch his first two starts.
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He doesn't know the entire offense
He can’t even audible.
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So it's the Goreless offense?
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this is crazy
who is making these decisions?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 6, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
Horrible, but could be worse...
Troy Smith has played horrible. I’ve watched every snap of every game. I knew his 1st couple games were more flukes. Not taking anything away from him but his stats were misleading. They were more defensive miscues by other teams than Troy throwing good. Until he improves his accuracy and knowledge he won’t be a starter. He holds on the ball too long and makes wrong choices. Alex has played horrible too, but after watching these games with Troy it made me want him back, at least till the end of the season. And I don’t wanna throw Nate Davis in there and him play bad and all his fans start saying he sucks too. Cause thats exactly what would happen. He played terrible in the preseason against 3rd and 4th string defenses. Give him time to mature. Ugh terrible season again. God being a 49er fan these last 8 years have just sucked.
Alex?? Really???
This is like when we ran Frank up the middle a million times against the Bucs expecting to get a different result. Why do I even bother anymore? The only way I would be ok with this is if it means installing the spread again.
Oh boy
He better lead the team to TDs on every first half possession or the boo birds will be directed all toward him along with calls for Troy. It could get very ugly.
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Wow.
Just wow.
If the Troy Smith experiment is over, the only sane option left was Nate. And that was barely sane to begin with.
And I like Alex Smith as much as anybody. I probably like him as much as Grant.
But he is not an option for this team anymore.
I may not even watch.
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I'm glad to hear you say this
I feel the same way, and it makes me feel better knowing I’m not alone.
It won't fix anything, but I still think it's a good choice
And that’s for the same reasoning as the offensive coaches: Alex knows the offense. It allows the offense freedom. Also, with Westbrook playing a lot, I would not be shocked (as some reporters have mentioned) to see a healthy dose of the spread offense.
Fooch, you mentioned this as Alex’s “third life,” and I agree with that completely. And you know what I find interesting? Steve Young has mentioned on many occasions how he believes quarterbacks go through 3 transformational periods. Seems like this is it for Alex. Time to fly or time to die as a 49er.
Btw, whether you agree or not, I think those of you saying you won’t watch the game because Alex is playing should be ashamed of yourselves.
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I think those of you saying you won’t watch the game because Alex is playing should be ashamed of yourselves.
Sanctimonius much?
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I’m not ashamed of myself for probably not watching this Sunday. The organization should be ashamed of itself for presenting me with a product that I have no desire to watch.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 6, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
While I will watch this Sunday
I think you have a valid point. Why should the fans care about the team when the FO obviously doesn’t care about the fans?
Sanctimonious? Give me a break.
You’re a 49ers fan, yes? Well act like it. I’m not saying you should be happy… be as pissed and frustrated as you want, but turning your back on the team because of one player is absurd.
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I have been a 49er fan..
for over 30 years. What you deem a fan does not mean anything to me. I LMAO at this kind of post. It’s seriously stupid.
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I’m not turning my back on the team. I’m just not watching the game.
I’ll be back next week. Or the week after. Or next year, if it comes to that.
It’s just a boring, painful team to watch right now, and with Frank Gore out the only thing of interest left was the intrigue of Troy Smith. I’ve seen the Alex Smith show. I’ve seen all the reruns. I can recite all my favorite lines. There’s nothing to be interested in seeing there. Just more boredom and more pain. When the team gives me a reason to watch, I will.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 7, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Seriously?
You thought Troy was going to be some savior? Lol
It begins and ends with the O-Line. Troy took 16 sacks in 5 games with 1 of those against a Dumervil-less Denver team.
Alex 13 through 6 1/2 games against good teams. Our O-line stinks and has stunk since the start of the year. Nobody could do well behind it. Tom Brady would look like crap and Payton might have thrown 20 INTs in his last 4 games behind it.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't vote
There is no preference. All QBS would fail just the same. Go ahead. Throw Nate in there. See how long it takes before Singletary ruins him, too.
(Alex VS Troy) --VS-- Playoff Caliber teams
I’ve never posted on here, but I do read the articles on a daily basis. Here’s my take:
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Alex Smith vs Saints (SF- 22 * NO – 25)
Alex Smith vs Falcons (SF – 14 * ATL – 16)
Alex Smith vs Eagles (SF – 24 * PHI – 27)
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Troy Smith vs Bucs (SF – 0 * TB – 21)
Troy Smith vs Packers (SF – 16 * GB – 34)
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Not to mention Alex Smith’s red zone efficiency is by far better than Troy’s, the only thing Troy Smith had to offer was glimpses of big plays (which were nice to see, but ultimately still not enough). Personally, I think Alex gives the 49ers a better shot, at winning this thing. I’d be more worried about our defense allowing the big plays, than Alex’s play. The defense let this team down more, than Alex has this year. Just a thought.
I said "Playoff Caliber Teams"
Those are not playoff caliber teams… I’m not sold on KC just yet. I think they’ll be just like Arizona was a couple years back (at best)
Kansas City is a win away from essentially clinching the division
I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".
But you're right, we are not playoff caliber
I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".
yeah, doesn’t mean they’re playoff caliber (however, they do have potential of being one)… they’re no better than the Rams/Seahawks at this point, in my opinion.
They're much better than St. Louis and Seattle
If Cassel is more consistent that is a great team.
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Didn't Arizona play in the Super Bowl a couple years ago?
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They weren't a good football team
They just went on a good run.
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yes, but they weren’t a great team. nobody saw it coming. That’s their upside. Doesn’t mean they’re a great team.
That's true, but if Kansas City
ends up like Arizona did a couple years ago, that would put them in the Super Bowl. I would not say that they are not “Playoff Caliber”.
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Alex is more competetive against playoff caliber teams, than Troy. The points don’t lie. I’m not saying Alex Smith is the answer at QB, but I can assure you Troy isn’t any better,… Let Alex finish the season, and hope for the best in the future w/ or w/out him.
yes I agree… I’m just saying Alex isn’t the only one to blame for our poor season… if anything I put the majority of the blame on the defense. (besides our poor coaches)
The ATL and PHI games...
The defense LOST the ATL game. The Philly game our D couldn’t do squat against Kolb.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
When your QB lead you to only 7 points and throws two INT on likely scoring drives
I think he lost it more than the defense.
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Sure, if you wanna talk about beating the Cardinals, Broncos, and eeking out a win against the Rams. The Rams game is really the only game we can give Troy credit.
I gotta agree with tuRo on most of these.
by Cameron Laine on Dec 6, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
Atlanta. 14 points? Please don’t flatter Alex. He put up 7 points, on the first drive. What happened after that? Nothing. He can thank Dominique Zeigler, Delanie Walker and Taylor Mays for the other 7.
FYI: KC IS a playoff team.
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We put the offense back in its conservative shell after that first drive.
Just like we did in Carolina. MJ comes out calling aggressive and Alex looks great. Then we go to 3 runs and a punt on the next drive and try to hold a 7 point lead all game.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2010 3:08 AM PST up reply actions
Actually
That plan moved the ball against ATL with appropriate aggression. It was Alex’s INTs that stopped well executed drives.
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It's time that I wrote..
an FP post. Just on the Alex Smith, his piss poor mechanics, his lack of instincts, etc. I am so freakin’ tired of the low standard 49er fans have accepted here.
Just wait until I post about Steve DeBerg. ItBurnz will crap over completion percentage, Effage will become a Nun, and the legend of Tim Rattay will be resurrected.
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That sir
Would make you my hero. How anyone could WANT to see Alex start is beyond me.
We actually wanna see a QB better than Troy Smith
Thats why we’d want him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
You know what is missing in that beautiful chart?
Interceptions. Let’s see those shall we. And while you are at it, maybe add points off turnovers cause by QBs. That would include fumbles.
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Alex Smith has always played hard, i know he hasn’t played well most of the time, but we have to support him as fan of this team. He’s always taking a beating from the media, yet he still stays positive, the least we can do is support him. Besides, this Offense doesn’t suit any QB at ALL!! (proven from Troy Smith) Also..refer to David Carr.
WAT.
but we have to support him as fan of this team
Sanctimonious much?
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What more needs to be said?
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Sure I am...
I look at it as a opportunity for a new Foundation:
Al-Smith-Anon. Family and Children who are neglected for Alex Smith.
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lol
Or just ignore him for acting like a child that found a “big word.”
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Been drinkin dude?..
I can always back my opinion up, with even bigger words and better prose than what you present. If you want to debate Smith, then debate Smith with me. I’m game Bubba. I know 49er football. Better than you.
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LOL i went off there..
i sound crazy ? naww it’s just i started watching 49ers back when he got drafted ..
You're enjoying asking that question aren't you?
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When the shoe fits.
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Alex Smith has been bad under offensive coordinator he has been under
Most of the fans here probably spend a lot of minimal improvement from the #1 overall pick. I guess you do have to “support” him if you want to win, but he’s not the future for your team.
I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".
And....spend a lot of money in reference to going to the games.
I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".
Uhmm if you didn't know
Alex Smith already had his HUGE contract restructured back in 2008 so he only makes about 2 mill a year now
I know
I’m saying basically the fans should not be obligated to continue to cheer on something that has sucked for years. It’s an insult to your paycheck (or if you’re from Oakland it’s an insult to your drug dealing skills….)
I love being the Seahawks fan who can make Bay Area jokes….
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Goddamnn it lol
don’t you have other issues to discuss on *YOUR forum like..your future QB after Hasselback?
Michael Robinson is our future
An old sig of mine said he leads the team in passing percentage (100%), yards, and QB rating.
He threw a pass to Leon Washington on a trick play and I fell in love.
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Alex was pretty good under Turner for a 22 year old QB
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
Who was the last competent O-Coordinator we had...
That lasted the season… the Niners should have moved heaven and earth to keep him in San Francisco.
Seriously?
HC in San Diego or OC in SF? Cmon, only thing we could have done was promote him and he had some major concerns as HC.
Hes a horrible HC in San Diego
how do you commit back to back 12 men on the field penalty.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Stealing someone else's comment
Gore was pretty good under Turner …
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Turner was pretty good
Remember Alex roll out left naked bootleg with nobody within 25 yards as he walked into the end zone? That’s great play calling.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2010 3:09 AM PST up reply actions
Holy Jeebus.
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Man I hate this
Because it sounds like Troy is likely gone after this season. Or even worse, Alex is still here after this season. As if losing wasn’t bad enough.
Get Well Frank!
Yea
That upsets me. I would rather have Troy going forward before a possible rookie QB is ready, maybe with a new OC that knows how to better utilize his talents. Though accuracy can be a hard thing to fix or deal with.
Hmmmmmmm....
Basically, all I need to know is this:
Alex Smith’s record this year: 1-6 (Or I’ll give you 1-5, with David Carr at 0-1)
Troy Smith’s record this year: 3-2
But yeah, Alex totally gives us the better chance to win…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 6, 2010 9:02 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
wins/losses
So it doesn’t matter that Alex faced New Orleans, Philly, KC, and Atlanta for four of those six losses? There are obviously details to discuss within those losses, but throwing out win/loss record isn’t going to convince me.
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
I understand that...
Really, I do. But I also understand that Alex’s mistakes cost us many of those games to begin with. Troy had figured out a way to win with this team, and limited his mistakes. If Alex could have done that, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
W/L on it’s own don’t tell the whole story, no. But Troy figured out how to win as the Niners QB more often than not. Alex Smith, in 6 years with the team, never has. Troy deserved more starts…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 6, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
Do you need convincing?
Alex has a high redzone percentage, but rarely gets there. Except when defenses play soft zone, protecting a lead. Alex sucks against anything else.
Week 1: 6 points (2 INTs) – Seattle, horrible team. One lead to 7 points cause they returned it to the 12yd line, One was pick 6 first drive in 3rd Qtr.
Week 2: 22 points (2 INTs) – NO, his best game all year
Week 3: 10 points (1 INT) – KC, 7 points from a last second deep pass, down by 28, doesn’t get more garbage time than that, plus injured Morgan on that play.
Week 4: 7 points (2 INTs) – ATL, 7 more points not from offense. And both INTs lead to FGs. How much did we lose by?
Week 5: 24 points (2 INTs, 1 Fumble) – PHI, Fumble 6. Again, how much did we lose by? Great 1sts drive, horrible game, great in 4th Qtr. Oh, except for that fumble, without ever being touched. Oh, 2 other fumbles lost, by teammates lead to 3 points. Alex wins turnover race against other teammates combined, and points off turnovers.
Week 6: 10 (0 INT/fumbles cue chorus) – OAK, 7 points by defense. Horrible Offense all day, but D held Oakland to 3 FGs.
Where in the stats above do you see a winner?
Games 1 and 3 the entire team came out and played horrible
Game 1 we looked like a machine till we got stuffed twice in a row in the red zone and the team mentally shattered. Crabs had interceptions go right off his hands and ran the wrong routes. Game 3 we got annihilated by the KC running game and poor coaching. On more than one occasion they ran on 3rd and 15+ and picked up first downs. Crabs again had an Int go off his hands if I’m not mistaken.
And two other fumbles lost by teammates lead to 3 points
You’re blaming other guys fumbles on Alex??? LOL Those were big time drive killers too.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2010 3:14 AM PST up reply actions
No, I am not blaming them on Alex, I was comparing.
49ers – Alex = 2 turnovers (leading to 3 points by PHI)
Alex = 3 Turnovers (leading to 7 points by PHI)
Turnover total = 5.
And many of the dilusional Alex supports “off Crabs hands” passes were horrible passes or not even to Crabs. On the “wrong route” play, it was stated in press conferences that the route was right, but wasn’t what Alex had expected.
Game 1, 14 of SEA points were off Alex’s Interceptions. 1 meant for Gore, thrown horribly, the other to Crabs was tipped by the D-line over Crabs head and run back. Replays are available at NFL.com if you care to see for yourself. You want to talk about drive killers, try having your QB not be able to score, and when things are going semi well, giving the other team 14 points. D had like five 3 and outs, forced like four punts as well. Alex just gave the game away. Kindof started the theme of the season.
Game 3, the KC game, is one of the two losses Alex is did not give away. But he was 99% ineffective. The 1% was the garbage TD at the end. So even though I blame coaching for this loss, I still expected Alex to be benched due to continued horrible play. I even wrote a post that I hope he gets benched, but felt bad that it would be after this game, cause the coaches lost it, not Alex. Unfortunately, he didn’t get benched.
Sing said it was the right route
Raye said it was the wrong one. I believe Raye at this point. Sing wouldn’t know offense if it bit him on the ass.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Um 10? 10 points against Oakland??
You really don’t know what you’re talking about and now its confirmed
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2010 3:15 AM PST up reply actions
Did you stop reading?
Alex scored 10, Defense scored 7. Final score, 17. Alex can’t score when our Defense is on the field.
Just like the ATL game was 14, but I posted 7, because the other 7 were from Mays on Special Teams.
Look it up.
Alex had TDs to both Crabs and VD
That’s 14. You are talking out of your ass. No wonder it doesn’t make sense.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
I think that’s a defensible conclusion, but a bad process.
By that logic, Troy Smith would give the Broncos as good a chance to win as Orton. And Orton has been one of the best QBs in the NFL this season.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 6, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Orton and Smith haven’t played for the same team, though.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 6, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
But they have recorded the same number of wins this season. Troy Smith has even done it in fewer games.
I mean, let’s not all start relying on something like context when arguing the value of wins and losses. That would be contradictory.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 6, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
W/L record is a terrible statistic for individuals
Both in football and in baseball (See: 2010 AL CY Young winner).
I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".
And I’m sure Seattle’s fans feel great about their season because their pitcher won the Cy Young (although I agree he was the right choice). I just want to win…and we were at a better clip with Troy.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 6, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Meh
Either way, neither Qb can do jack if the running game can’t get going, and neither QB is the future Niner QB, imo.
I fully expect the boo birds before opening kick off, which imo is dumb. At least wait until the first pick.
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LOL that be as funny as hell..
When the Seahawks practiced a week to prepare against Alex Smith..and then when Nate Davis goes into the lineup every defensive coach is going nuts at the last second trying to scratch a new gameplan.
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Wait, do they have to be site related? Cause I have this weird rash...
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And here we go once again
I realize this is a thread about the QB. But everyone gets in a QB debate, which is certainly reasonable. However while all this time is spent arguing on that, the defense’s poor performance in key moments and even large portions of games, is once again pushed to the back burner and overlooked.
true
I’ve got a QB post going up first thing in the morning, but we’ll go back to the defense with a post later in the day (just a heads-up).
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
Excellent
I didn’t want to jack the post and turn it into a different discussion. Just realizing there is more than just one simple problem with this team.
This complaining
Is coming from a lot of the same people stating that the 9ers should throw the last few games in an effort to get a better draft pick. So why not go with Alex?? I mean he’d look incredibly stupid if he went with Carr. But with Alex he just looks desperate. So some people want the 9ers to lose out but they’ll complain when Troy gets benched. Others think we have a shot to win more games and would rather see Troy. It’s lose lose no matter what Sing does because 1) We’re not making the playoffs
2) We’re not getting a top 3 draft pick
3) Troy Smith and Alex Smith in all honesty suck equally bad, just in different ways
Although I will say I like Alex starting better, if no more reason than to see VERNON DAVIS LIGHT IT UP in the remaining four games.
by ZivilynBane on Dec 6, 2010 9:32 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
hey at least we'll have newton/mallet/hopefullyluckbutIdoubtit next year!
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If he struggles, what happens when we get a “We Want Smith!” chant? People are gonna have to go with “We Want Troy!”
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
First incompletion
Be it a drop, over throw, or throw away to avoid a sack. 4-8 means people have anger to direct.
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Series one
Dixon breaks one for a TD.
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First pass to VD 20 yard gain
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my expectations
alex runs backwards for 20 yards then drops the ball
seatle scores 6 points
next series
alex throws to morgan who fell down pick six
next series
alex not wanting to throw pick holds it for a sack.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 6, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
I'm gonna take the bet
If the 49ers are stinking it up Sunday (relatively on the 2010 49ers scale), you will hear a “We Want Harbaugh” chant
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Don't see it.
Alex will have a good game, to prove he should start. I do see a pick or two in the game though.
Season is over
I don’t care. The guy pulling the strings has lost his mind. I’m hoping Alex gets promoted to interim HC tomorrow. If not I hope Alex ignores the play calls and calls his own game in the huddle. I’d rather lose 45-3 trying to win than 24-16 trying to keep the score close.
Alex is who he is. I resigned myself to Trent Dilfer finishing up a lost season, Alex Smith in the same scenario ought to be easy.
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The sad part is..
Alex wont resemble a field general who commands an offense, yet, like pigeons being fed by a crazy homeless dude in Civic Center, the Hopeless Alex Smith birds like ItBurnz will wind up being ran over from a bike messenger rushing to get a play in during the span of consecutive time outs, called by Sing on a 1st and 6, after the half.
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I can understand the logic of picking Alex
Sing gave Alex this year to prove himself. He thought Troy might be able to come through a really steep learning curve, but it didn’t happen. Troy might have more upside, but we’re at the end of the season and have run out of time for that hopey changey thing. Alex knows the system well and can manage things better. Also, Sing doesn’t like to take chances and Alex is the same as he will dump the ball off 9 times out of 10 rather than trying to make a play.
Personally, I don’t think it matters one whit who is QB for the rest of the season. We’ll be looking for a new one next year.
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by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Dec 6, 2010 10:14 PM PST reply actions
yes coaches and owner
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 6, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Here are some stats for each QB's last three starts
Alex: 6 TD 2 Int.- QB Ratings of 92.8, 87.4 87.4
Troy: 2 TD 3 Int – QB Ratings of 51.5, 61.7, 64.4.
Can you tell me the stats for all of the games that MJ called?
Just to make it fair for both QBs.
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because if you don't someone is going to call you out on picking and choosing stats
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It's for each QB's last three starts...
Theoretically, Michael Johnson was calling the offense for all of those plays.
No like all of them
So put all 5 games for Troy and how many games Smith started under MJ.
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Selective endpoints are fun.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 6, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn't trying to be selective...
I just grabbed each QB’s numbers for the last three games. If you want to get the numbers for the last four starts… feel free. Just make sure that Raye wasn’t still the OC for Smith’s fourth start.
I wasn’t trying to be selective… I just grabbed each QB’s numbers for the last three games.
That’s the definition of being selective, though.
If you want to get the numbers for the last four starts… feel free.
See, that would also be a case of selective endpoints.
It makes the most sense to look at each quarterback’s whole body of work. Alex Smith has 40 NFL starts under his belt. Looking at nothing but the last three of those is incredibly limiting.
For example: In his last 3 games, Peyton Manning has thrown 8 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. Compared to Alex Smith’s last 3 games, it would make sense to start Alex Smith over Peyton Manning.
Does it make sense how this becomes a problematic way of looking at things?
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by howtheyscored on Dec 6, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
What he is trying to do is to compare the stats between the two players for this year.
By getting rid of as many variables as possible it will show how good a certain player is. Which is why I recommended to stop at the MJ takeover, because we all know that the offense drastically improved once MJ took over.
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I understand what he’s trying to do. I’m trying to show that it doesn’t work that way.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 6, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
But thats the best way to compare the two
neutralize as many variables as possible in this instance change of personal and Offensive Coordinators and compare the two records like that.
Kellen Moore is awesome
It’s not the best way to compare the two. The best way to compare any two things is to account for as much data as you can. There is a lot of data on Alex Smith. Similarly, you shouldn’t ignore Troy Smith’s games in Baltimore when taking on this question. All you do when you disregard data is limit yourself. It’s not helpful. The Peyton Manning example should be more than enough to show that.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 6, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I’ll be perfectly honest: I don’t know why you posted that. Did you post it as a rebuttal?
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by howtheyscored on Dec 6, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Just for information
Football outsiders IMO is good way of comparing QBs since each pass is played in different conditions. Before the GB game the two QB were almost dead equal.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Ah, it’s certainly good for information.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 6, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
won the st louis game
cant blame him on tampa bay game
those two games are the most sacks.
troy deserves the time develope for our teams future
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 6, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
We got a few good ones going
I’m waiting for someone to parse out this debate by teams who play across the Mississippi.
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who has a better winning record?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 6, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
stats for full season
G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int
troy stats 5 80.2 66 126 52.4 1023 204.6 8.1 4 3
alex stats 7 75.0 143 242 59.1 1554 222.0 6.4 9 9
and alex has advantage of playing with the other players for years, traning camp, and the play book for two years. advantage alex, whose stats look better TROY SMITH…….
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 7, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Just Lose
Just lose baby lose! This season is done, and I hope we lose the rest of the way because we have inept coaches. Sing your done by the end of the season.
you do remember that at one point the Giants were 10 games out from first place in their division
what would happen if they threw away their remaining games.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Good point
But the Giants always had a chance. Everyone was afraid of them in playoffs with our pitching. I assure you NOBODY is worried about the Niners in playoffs.
They should be
always worry about every team in the playoffs. Never know when someone might go hot.
Kellen Moore is awesome
We want Carr!!
i voted carr…just in case you forgot the guy you once called for. you…the collective you.
what about the facebook for the yorks to sell the team?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 6, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
What Veteran QB do we get Via Trade or Signing in 2011??
I just want to hear what you guys think on who we should get to start next season while our rookie picks up on the nuances of the NFL.
I would like to see Brady Quinn if possible. Even Kevin Kolb would be appreciated.
OH MY GOD NOT BRADY QUINN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD NO PLEASE NO
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by howtheyscored on Dec 6, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Ryan Fitzpatrick
He’s been good this season and i believe he’s a FA next year
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i see we haven't given up on getting a top 5 draft pick.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I would start Troy for two reasons:
First and most important, switching back and forth between quarterbacks is a proven losing strat . . . Wait a minute—didn’t I say the same thing last year?
Second, Alex has been given sufficient opportunities to to lead the 49ers. He hasn’t succeeded. On the other hand, Troy has been given only one chance, or rather, half a chance. It seems very odd that Singletary is ready to give up on him already.
I am not saying Troy is abstractly the better QB, nor am I saying Alex is solely to blame for the team’s lousy record with him as the starter. I just believe it’s time to move on.
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Good luck Alex
If you play like Pro Bowler the next 4 games, some how salvage a small amount of respectability for this team than convince Jed into another contract only to stink it up next season I will go down to Santa Clara to personally b-slap you. howdoyoulikethatrunonsentenceeh?
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Split gas money with you
But after you slap him, I will kick him in the jimmy.
Only if you bring caribou burgers from Alaska
Kind of a round-about trip for me.
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But AK is home, so I will be visiting most of Dec.
Johnson and Smith
A confounding variable is that Alex has not had a chance to work with Johnson’s play calling strategies which while not great, have been an improvement over Raye’s. I believe Troy has benefited from the play calling improvements and an easier schedule. Troy is very much a rookie QB and he plays like it. Flashes of brilliance and poor footwork, good tosses and poor accuracy on many passes, inconsistency. Troy can get better and needs the off season and the next camp to get prepared, if that is possible. Right now IMO Alex gives the 49ers the best chance to win. Of course, Alex also has his history of turnovers, etc., but he was making better reads, and had good control over the offense. Farve and P. Manning this year have been worse. Since I want the 49ers to win and for Singletary et al to be fired there is a dilemma here. I’d actually prefer to see Troy finish the season and get more experience and then make some major off season moves involving coaches and QBs who actually have the capacity to lead the 49ers back to prominence.
At this point it doesnt matter whos playin qb. As a organization right now, niners suck. Too bad for all our young talented players. Depressing. I kinda hope alex smith does horrible on sunday just to make it extra clear that alex needs to go. If he plays good we might have to see 3 more weeks of him. Noooooooooo!!!
by youn6_b on Dec 7, 2010 12:29 AM PST via mobile reply actions
But i would like to see davis get out there just to see what he can do. Thats why i think we should fire sing now cuz hes not gonna put him in. We dont no that hes weak cuz we obviously can’t take sings word for it.
by youn6_b on Dec 7, 2010 12:32 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I will admit Troy Smith's play got me all hot and bothered against the Rams
But he’s been pretty mediocre since then, enough to make me realize I was being delusional when thinking he could be a long term solution to our QB issues. If the franchise still thinks Alex Smith still has a future as the starting QB, now would be the time to reinsert him into the lineup. Unfortunately, I can see a scenario where Smith feels the pressure of Smith breathing down his neck and doesn’t play particularly well…
Step up Alex, now is your time to shine.
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I wouldn't give up on Troy Smith yet
A deep ball and ability to move around and extend plays are good NFL tools. An above average coach could get some good play out of him if given time to develop.
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He has the tools
But he needs some time. It’s hard to tell if he’ll ever be effective dropping back and throwing out of the pocket, since he has a terrible case of happy feet every time he needs to hang in the pocket and deliver. Also, the accuracy really isn’t there, but I guess these are all things that can be fixed.
Thinking about it, my worst nightmare would be Alex Smith coming in and playing well enough to make Jed York believe he will FINALLY develop into a franchise QB. Of course, we all know this isn’t going to happen, but York is an idiot, so who knows. If I have to sit through another year of Alex Smith’s BS….
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by Tom Huddlestone on Dec 7, 2010 2:01 AM PST up reply actions
This just makes my head spin even faster than it already has been.
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It must either be a game thread or Alex Smith related.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Get McDaniels for OC and Pittsburghs LB coach for DC, keep Sing
2010 in memory of the 1970 Bengals.......
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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2010 4:34 AM PST via mobile reply actions
We still would have the same strategy
I doubt Johnson wants to run out the clock at the end of the first half. It doesn’t matter who our OC is if Singletary is still preaching the overall strategy of never taking risks, and never trying to win a game, just simply trying not to lose. How many times are we going to watch our team go into a run out the clock 4th quarter mode, with a one point lead in the first quarter.
keep sing? no thanks
mccdaniels?
and tebow also?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 7, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Dump Singletary... but I wouldn't be opposed to Josh McDaniels as OC...
Even with Denver’s total lack of a running game, they’ve been able to move the ball pretty well this year.
Are you kidding me?
Now I understand why so many teams don’t take us seriously. This team is so psycho it’s not funny. First they make us endure 5 seasons of this clown Alex Smith who has shown NO advancement as an NFL QB because the FO and all of the coaches we have had don’t want to squander their beloved first rd draft pick. (Sorry folks….too damn late for that.!) Then this guy plays horrid in his eery start till he’s injured. They stick in Davis Carr, another “can’t miss” #1 draft pick, and his mind was obviously on selling insurance. The only other guy we draft to play QB is a mentalcase who is released and then picked up again without even giving an honest look at to see if he has the stones to play. (Personally this may have been the best move the FO and coaching staff has made.)Finally we get a talent like Troy Smith to run the offense. Instead of sticking with the guy and coaching him up, we let him play a couple games, he goes 3-2 in those starts. He has a couple bad games against top talent teams and what does the coaching staff deceide to do? STICK IN THE LAME DUCK QB THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKING ON HIS RESUME? I hate to piggyback off the NFL Sunday crew, but……COME ON MAN!?
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Alex Smith's time is done
He’s gotten enough chances.
Troy Smith didn’t lose the game for us. Don’t be so desperate.
I’ve supported you, Sings, but this may be it.
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by Rishi on Dec 7, 2010 7:31 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
yes sir
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Dec 7, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
I honestly think Alex gives the team the best chance to win now
better question however, Who is still voting for Carr?
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Bigger question:
How does David Carr have more than zero votes?
by mr. instigator on Dec 7, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't vote for Carr
But he is a better QB than Alex Smith. Career stats don’t lie. Carrs career stats cover MANY more games than Alex, and therefore are a better indicator of his skill. Alex, at best (which isn’t this year), was as good as Carr’s career.
If you can provide some stats that prove me wrong, please do. There are no stats that show Alex is even slightly better than Troy or Carr.
And if I didn't vote Troy
It would be Nate, just to silence his supporters. Next would be Carr. Alex could get me coffee on those cold Sundays outdoors though.
Carr also took 70 sacks in a season
Since you just look at numbers and don’t really know what you’re talking about I figured I’d inform you of that.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
And in Carr's best year when he threw for 3500 yards
He threw for 16 TDs and 14 INTs.
Alex topped that in 11 games last year.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
But he is a better QB than Alex Smith
duuuuude…. i don’t know about that one haha…
Carr has a horribly low release on his throw and he holds the ball very long
Our offense was beginning to become diverse and unpredictable in the Carolina game before Alex was injured so I’m actually excited to (maybe) see more sustained drives this sunday
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