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ProFootballFocus.com and the 49ers offensive line

In 2009 the offensive line of the 49ers was among the worst in the league, there's no question about that. Being a former lineman myself I tend to pay close attention to what happens in the trenches and I've developed some fairly strong opinions on the matter. Common wisdom seems to say that Joe Staley is the best offensive lineman we have (his salary seems to indicate that the FO feels the same way); Adam Snyder is the worst lineman we have; Heitmann is solid, but nothing more; Baas is weak in pass protection but good in run protection; and Rachal has been pretty bad too.

I'm using ProFootballFocus.com as my source since I like how they break down each player. Their goal is to rank every single player on every single play and then score them based on how they did. If they didn't do their job right (missed block, dropped catch, blown route) they receive a negative grade. If their play didn't impact the outcome at all it's a neutral score and if they performed well on the play it's a positive. The scores range from a negative 2 all the way to positive 2. The average score is 0, so an average player's score will always be 0. For the game score a player's individual play scores are added up giving them a final number. Their season rankings are done the same way--add up each game score to come up with a final answer. 

Yes it is subjective, but if your entire group is using the same criteria in their subjectiveness then you're ok because your only comparing them to each other. I think the goal of PFF can be summed up from this line from their "Grading" page.

Statistics in their raw form are always considered objective but in my opinion, with the small number of games played, very often unintelligent.

"I tend to agree, with a few caveats, and I like that they're trying to bring some intelligence to the equation. If a QB throws 3 interceptions in a game but one came from a dropped pass, another from a WR running a poor route and a third on a Hail Mary at the end of the half, it skews his stats by far too great an amount to be useful."

After the jump let's look at their rankings for the tackle spot (they don't differentiate between LT or RT).
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First off let's go ahead and establish who PFF regards as the best players in the NFL at their respective positions.

At tackle they have Joe Thomas, at guard Jahri Evans, and at center Nick Mangold. Now let's look and see what their game breakdowns look like. (Just a note--they don't differentiate between LT/RT or LG/RG in their rankings but if you go to the positional rankings they list the number of games where a player started at each position which makes it possible for the user to calculate rankings for left vs right). 

 

Joe Thomas

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As you can see Thomas had very few poor games. Looks like he had a bad game against Buffalo and a bad one against GB, but he only gave up 3 QB sacks, 5 QB hits, and 7 QB pressures. One of the best pass blockers and a very fine run blocker as well.

 

Jahri Evans

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Based on the charts it appears that Evans is average or slightly above average in pass blocking but exceptional in run blocking. Looking at game film that seems about right to me. Evans has only given up 2 sacks, 3 QB hits, but has allowed 14 QB pressures. 5 of those QB pressures came against Dallas which is not surprising since DeMarcus Ware lines up on that side.

 

Nick Mangold

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As you can see according to PFF Mangold is average, to slightly above average in pass blocking. Where he really excels is at run blocking, coming up with a whopping 33.2 points in run blocking. For some validation of this conclusion Football Outsiders ranks the Jets #6 in the league in power rushing (rushing in short yardage situations). The vast majority of the time those short-yardage situations are right up the gut, behind the center. 


Now let's take a look at the 49ers line and see what conclusions, if any, we can draw from the numbers.

Eric Heitmann

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As you can see Heitmann is merely average in pass blocking, and his run blocking fluctuates week to week. He'll have really good games, then really bad games so his overall numbers for run blocking are slightly lower than those for pass blocking where he's very consistent. I agree with that conclusion. You don't see pressure coming up the middle on passes--mostly it's from the right side. However we can't get a good push up the middle on runs either, thus the poor scores there.

Heitmann is ranked 17th overall (out of 34 centers), so smack in the middle. His pass blocking rank is 14, his run blocking rank is 21. He's one of the least penalized centers in the league, tying for 7th. He gave up 2 sacks, 1 hit and 11 pressures.

 

Joe Staley

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Staley's strong point is his pass blocking. His run blocking could use some help. Like every other lineman we have his run blocking improved towards the end of the season, but it went from bad to just average. Staley is ranked 26th out of all tackles by PFF, so only 6 spots higher than Sims.

 

Barry Sims

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The thing that I see here is that SIms is a much better pass blocker than run blocker, but that even at run blocking he's not terrible--just average. Considering how long he's been playing that's actually pretty impressive. He's a serviceable starter and a more than capable backup. Out of 77 left tackles PFF ranks Sims 32.

 

David Baas

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Baas is ranked 60th out 84 guards. Looking at the charts here you can see that he had two really bad games to start the year off and struggled through the middle of the season. His pass blocking is average at best, and his run blocking is not so hot either. In fact most of the year it's his run blocking that's actually suffered and brought his overall grade down. He can pull effectively but that's the only running play that worked for most of the year. We couldn't run up the middle, that's for sure.

 

Chilo Rachal

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The first thing that strikes you when looking at Rachal's charts is the complete difference from about week 11 on. It's like a light bulb went on and he suddenly started understanding what was going on. No negative games, no sacks given up, just 2 QB hist and 1 QB pressure. That's incredible. His overall rank for the season is 35 (out of 84 guards), but had he played all season at the level he did the last half he'd be ranked right around 18 or so. No small feat for a 2nd year player. He's still struggling with run blocking but we have great cause for hope next season. 

 

Adam Snyder

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Obviously Snyder's run blocking is much better than his pass blocking. In watching the games you can see that this is true. Sadly it's the pass blocking that needs to get fixed in order for him to keep a starting job in the league. The good news is that he went from being awful to merely bad, only giving up 1 sack, 1 QB hit, and 7 QB pressures in the last three games. PFF ranks Snyder at 61 out 77 tackles, which is about right. I know I've called him the worst tackle in the league, but there are others who are worse (though most of them are LT and when they screw up it affects the game more). 

 

Conclusions

1. The left side of the line didn't improve much, if any, over the course of the year. The question is why. Were they already good enough that they didn't need to improve? Were they more comfortable with each other? Is it because they're all veterans? Did the coaches focus more on Rachal and Snyder?

2. Rachal's improvement was dramatic, but even Snyder improved. Same questions--why. I think it's a combination of familiarity with each other and with the position. This is only Rachal's 2nd year, and last year Snyder was playing guard, so RT isn't really his thing either.

3. I always thought that Baas was a pretty decent run blocker but got overpowered in pass blocking. Thinking about it, it's actually a bit of the reverse. The only running play that consistently worked with him is when he pulled to the right. He did get overpowered a little but not horribly.

4. Based on the play we need a new RT and a new LG. Rachal will be a fantastic guard next year (assuming his playing continues at the level it did this year). Even with his improvement Snyder isn't anything more than an average to below-average RT. Same with Baas at the LG spot. 

5. Sims really is almost as good as Staley, or at least close enough for government work. It's nice knowing that you have a backup that can step in without missing a beat. 

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Nice Job, Smiley!

Informative analysis and well-written. Now, if we can be fortunate enough to get Bulaga at 1B and Asamoah at 3 we will have two new immediate starters (RT and LG respectively) with potential to change these results dramatically. It will be interesting to see how Wallace develops if he gets more of an opportunity in 2010.

by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 10, 2010 7:33 AM PST reply actions  

You’re limiting Bulaga’s value by putting him at 1B. As long as his defense holds up, we should really try to keep him at 3B.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 10, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

but at 3B he's blocked by Sandoval

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Feb 10, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure the Giants will just move Sandoval to P, anyway.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 10, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

OMG you all do realize that Bulaga would be much better if he was switched to SS?

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Feb 10, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

His bat would be amazing there, but I’m not convinced that his glove is up to par.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 10, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Nobody ever expects the reverse Babe Ruth!

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 10, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Fantastic info

If more people would read this than they would understand what is wrong with the Offense.
You stated everything I said about the OL !!!

by LASVEGASNINER on Feb 10, 2010 8:33 AM PST reply actions  

Same here

I’m glad someone does the graphs ‘cause I couldn’t do it. Great info. The average joe never looks into the OL with this kind of depth. Nice ot have some fuel for the way we judge them.

by Mangoman on Feb 10, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Awesome breakdown

Basically just reaffirms what we saw on the field. Iupati is such a perfect fit that we almost have to take him at 17. Baas isn’t strong or agile enough to start.

by jsteez on Feb 10, 2010 8:57 AM PST reply actions  

I would like either Bulaga and Spiller or Bulaga and Iupati if possible.

actually moving back a few spots from 1b would be perfect for Iupati and give us another pick

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Feb 10, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Didn't Iuapti

stink it up at the Senior Bowl? All the articles I read were saying that they thought he would play better there than he actually did…most were quite surprised.

by jviet on Feb 10, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

He played well at LG

He was terrible at all the other positions he tried though.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 10, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Great stuff

Love the info on the line. Being a former lineman myself as well, I love in-depth analysis on line play. Most of this I already knew, except for how bad Baas has been, and just how far our line is behind the truely elite in the NFL. I’m still not sold on Lupati with one of our first two pics, but if our slot comes up and none of the skill position players that we want are available (Hayden, Spiller, Thomas, Mays) then I wouldn’t mind spending both pics on lineman.

Much easier, all-mighty Megatron, then attacking the real threat...The Autobots moonbase!!

by Brave Neander on Feb 10, 2010 9:03 AM PST reply actions  

Good Read

I have one bone of contention though, it’s not with you, it’s with ProFootballFocus. There is almost no play an offensive lineman can make that is going to erase a sack, maybe once a season a pancake block that knocks down three guys and springs a TD, but we’re talking very rare. If I were making the + and – scale a bad play would cost you way more points than a good play would earn you because for the most part OL is defined by the scarcity of their mistakes, not the number of highlight reel blocks they make.

I know what I’m talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons, lol

by Johnnysixnut on Feb 10, 2010 9:13 AM PST reply actions  

PFF

The way the overcome this is by giving every play a scale from -2 to +2. The worst grade you can get for giving up a sack would be a -2, but then if you do a great block that springs your running back free you’ll get a +2 and they cancel each other out.

They also take into consideration the affect everything else that happens. Was the offensive lineman double-teamed? Did the QB hold onto the ball for too long? Did the sack happen in the 1st quarter or did it happen on the come back drive in the 4th quarter?

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 10, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I get the system, my point is that there are very few plays an offensive lineman will make that cancel out a sack. I’d much, much rather have a guy that never got a sack and never made a noticeably good play than a guy who give up 10 sacks, but also has 10 monster pancake blocks.

2 minus 2 in this scoring system should not equal 0 plus 0, but it does.

Taking my point to an extreme, if a left tackle blows his assignment and the franchise quarterback gets injured, how does that tackle on one play make up for the -2 he got?

I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.

by Johnnysixnut on Feb 10, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks, great work,

I was going to complain about hard to read graphs with aging eyes, but then discovered a click on a graph enlarges it nicely. Just including this for anyone else who may be having trouble with over-the-hill eyes and who is almost as slow as I was at discovering “click to enlarge.”

by CorneliusJ on Feb 10, 2010 9:49 AM PST reply actions  

Would Simms at LT and Staley at RT work?

Also, what does this analysis say about Pashos, or maybe what were his stats for the previous year? I was under the impression he was a league average RT (or even slightly above league average).

They're called RUNS for a reason.

by connie mack on Feb 10, 2010 10:06 AM PST reply actions  

I wanted Sing to try out Sims at LT and Staley at RT

PFF has Pashos ranked as a decent run blocker but not so hot pass blocker. 25th overall last year.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 10, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I suspect he didn't play enough to be judged

While playing he was solid, but then he got hurt.

by Rabbit T on Feb 14, 2010 4:06 AM PST up reply actions  

the trends

For the line, aside from Heitman, it seems that they all trended toward improvement throughout the season. What would you attribute this trend to?
Coaching?
If so, does anyone else feel that we’re destined for marked improvement in 2010 with the offseason upgrade in coaching?

by t p on Feb 10, 2010 10:09 AM PST reply actions  

The right side improved dramatically

the left side not so much.

I think the improvement came from famliarity with each other. On the O-line it’s really important that you know what the guys on either side of you are going to do. I don’t think the coaching improved all that much .

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 10, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Of course it’s not to hard to improve from being total crap to being sort-of crap. Hopefully though the new coaching can improve all the linemen’s play and coach up any rookies the team gets to start immediatley. What I wouldn’t give to have Snyder out of the “starting lineup.”

by Hoopers Judge on Feb 10, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Rachal went to being great

Snyder to not-so-crappy. Still doesn’t mean we don’t need a new RT

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 10, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you really think Rachal went to 'great'

or just good. In the same way the change in scheme helped out Snyder at the end, didn’t Rachal benefit as well.
From the outside I would say Rachal is now an average RG, but he’s young and healthy, with two years under his belt, and I expect him to improve to an above average RG next year. What his upside is past that I don’t know.

They're called RUNS for a reason.

by connie mack on Feb 10, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Rachal really turned into a good guard

Not just going from bad to average but from bad to good.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 10, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the improvement came from famliarity with each other.

Which would make sense, given that Staley was out for 6 weeks and didn’t have time to become familiar with Baas.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 10, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

familiarity was an issue across the board in ‘09, when you consider a new QB, WR1, and System midway through the year.
The fact that the line showed any improvement should tell us that maybe we don’t have the worst athletes afterall, and that this crew is mostly coachable.

Personally, I think it would be a horrible misuse of our 1st round to blow both picks on OL.

by t p on Feb 10, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I think their play improved, but they also played a weaker schedule during the second half of the season. Improvement is hard to gauge when you finish against Detroit and St. Louis.

I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.

by Johnnysixnut on Feb 10, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Detroit and St. Louis

were the last two games of the season.

The last 8 games of the seasons saw us playing Ten, Chicago, GB, Jackonsville, Seattle, AZ, Philadelphia, Detroit, St.Louis. Of those eight games, two were against playoff teams, and the others were pretty solid.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 10, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

st louis

The line scored horribly against STL earlier in the season, so I wouldn’t read too much into the competition.

by t p on Feb 10, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I think its likely the increased use of 2 TE sets and the shotgun as much as anything they did individually. even if the TEs go out and run routes their physical presence still makes things harder for defensive ends. The shotgun should be obvious. I think that those measures benefitted the O-Line more than they benefitted alex smith.

by hellaninersfan on Feb 11, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Interesting stuff

Nice to know there are people who have time to provide these stats. While some scores/grades for our linemen are dismal, I can’t help thinking that it’s a reflection of the entire offense. For example, if the opposition had more weapons to worry about than Gore, all run blocking grades would be better. If there were more consistency in offensive coordinators, offensive scheme (eg: switching to the spread in mid-season), roles and positions, then chemistry would also improve the grades. This season should have taught the coaches what to focus on, so 2010 should have more consistency and better performance.

Agree we need better talent at LG and RT but I prefer veterans through free agency (like Sims, only better)

by DeathValleyCarl on Feb 10, 2010 10:51 AM PST reply actions  

It’s nice to see that the OL was getting better towards the end of the year. Especially with some of the young kids we have on the line. We need them to be getting better if we’re to have any shot at the division next season.

Rachal should continue to improve, and should be an anchor at RG for years to come. Same with Staley at LT. Heitman is entrenched at C for us, but we should probably try to bring in a kid to have a year on the bench to learn the position. We’ll probably need someone to take over there in the next few years. So we’ll probably be bringing in a RT and a LG to compete for starting spots. I assume we’ll draft a Tackle with one of our first round picks…since there’s a whole crop of good ones in this year’s draft. We may draft a G too, but I’d hope we also have some veterens we bring in so we don’t have to throw the kids into the fire if they aren’t ready.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Feb 10, 2010 10:55 AM PST reply actions  

Great post

I think they have got Chilo Rachal pegged. He really did play well near the end of the season and I think he is solid for the future.

LG and RT, that’s the ticket.

Be sure to forward this post to McGM.

by jviet on Feb 10, 2010 10:59 AM PST reply actions  

He played well at the end of the previous season too... Not happy with strong finishes.

I want solid play throughout.

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by James Brady on Feb 10, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

"Improvement" by Snyder

You know the 49ers closed out the season vs. the Rams and Lions right….

He didn’t improve at all, he was just benefiting from weak competition.

Rachal did show improvement the final 5 or 6 weeks.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 10, 2010 11:08 AM PST reply actions  

Snyder's improvement

started about week 13.

It still wasn’t much improvement though, since he went from being far below average to barely average.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 10, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Good article.

I really enjoyed reading this.

My 2 cents: I think the Niners FO is going to treat this offseason the way they did in Nolans 2nd year when he traded back into the 1st round to get Staley. With that “The time is now!” attitude. This worries me and pleases me at the same time. But anyway…

I see the Niners trying to bring in at least one solid addition to the line through FA, but theyre going to be more carefull about it then in recent years. Jonas Jennings and Marvel Smith memories will keep them from trying to eek out a few remaining years from some veteran Tackle of Guard at an inflated price. As for undrafted free agents, you better believe the Niners are gonna try to get some young faces added to that line after the draft in hopes of hitting a home run with one.

As for the draft.. 1 early round pick(tackle), 1 early/mid round pick(guard), and MAYBE a late rounder if theres a name on their board they like and the values right..this ofcourse would be in the 5th-7th round.

p.s. Snyder wasnt all that bad when he was at guard if i remember correctly… His transition to RT was this year, and it only became a for sure thing when Marvel Smith retired.

by Beatclash on Feb 10, 2010 11:53 AM PST reply actions  

Excellent Article!

Smileyman, great job! I have been admiring Spiller and a ROT in Bulaga or Williams for some time, but recently have been moving toward drafting two OLs in the first with Bulaga and Iupati. I think that combo right there would address the issues you have identified on our OL.

The statistics you found only validate it. Well, done.

:)

Thanks again!

by NinerTico on Feb 10, 2010 2:16 PM PST reply actions  

I read your name as Niner Taco.

I know that has nothing to do with this but man I was about to have a new favorite guy on NN.

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by James Brady on Feb 10, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Quick!

Somebody go sign up for Niner Taco!

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 10, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone from Costa Rica is called a "tico"

Comes from their habit of saying “un momentico” instead of “un momentito”

So should I call myself NinerBoricua? (red and gold stars to anyone who figures out that one)

by Rabbit T on Feb 14, 2010 4:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I would love to have two offensive linemen in the first round

but I don’t think there’s a snowball’s chance that this FO does that.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 10, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that would be focusing too much on one need

I think the best idea is 2 out of the first 4 picks, and definitely one of the first 2.

by Rabbit T on Feb 14, 2010 4:11 AM PST up reply actions  

It's possible

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 10, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

And what in this post says that Snyder is good?

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 10, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

It claims he is marginal.

by bignerd on Feb 10, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

He improved from awful to marginal by the end of the year

but is still overall not good and is the 61st ranked tackle (out of 77).

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 10, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

''' If i Was in Charge'' which im not but if ????

Im either replacing 2 D.baas no he’s gone and adam snyder ass would be on noticed i’ll let him compete 4 a back-up role at the same time looking 4 a trade or sighning seasoned vet stayley .and chilo is good i’m drafting another big one with one of the first round prick but i also put alot of it on the coaches eather the philosphy they used didn’t mesh with what the coaches were trying 2 do but now we got coach solaris and coach brown solaris brings that Mctriyck philosphy of running him and jimmy coach together in K.C if im correct so there familiar with each other give us consistent scoring on the offense say 27 too 24 a game with no turnovers with are Deffense we are right there with the top 10 hell maybe top 5 come’on jimmy /alex get this motor rolling and we back in the hunt BELIEVE THAT !!!!!

by jayjonna415 on Feb 10, 2010 3:07 PM PST reply actions  

Yup

I’m ok with that ranking when you factor in his dropped passes and penalties. He gets tons of opportunities which inflate his receiving numbers and TD numbers.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 10, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

He made the pro bowl and set the TE TD record.

He’s also the best blocking TE in the league. Couple those facts together and he could run out of bounds randomly and would deserve a better ranking.

I think it’s pretty clear that their system is way too simplistic.

by goatfather on Feb 10, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

He made the Pro-Bowl on the strength of his TD record

which came because he got a ton of looks.

He leads the league in penalties and dropped passes. 57 might be a little low, but the one thing to keep in mind about these rankings is that they include everybody, so if you have a TE that’s only taken 200 snaps vs Davis who took over 1000 it’s going to inflate the disparity.

There are only three TE who have taken 1000 or more snaps in the league this year—VD, Witten, and Todd Heap. The other thing that drags VD’s numbers down are the penalties that negatively affect his overall rating. Personally I wouldn’t include penalties in any rating system because of how arbitrary they are sometimes. A false start penalty is not equal to a dropped pass in terms of negatively affecting your team. Take out the penalties and he’s about middle of the pack, which I agree with.

No rating system is going to be perfect because there are so many factors involved in football. PFF is simply using a different way of looking players instead of using stats like catches and TDs.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 10, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

See, more evidence the Snyder grade is questionable.

by bignerd on Feb 10, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

PFF ranks Snyder

61 out of 77 tackles. How is that a questionable ranking?

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 10, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

he has to be 78 out of 77

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Feb 10, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

There are only 5 RT in the league ranked worse

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 10, 2010 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe I read the post above wrong. I thought it said Snyder was ranked in the middle around 36.

by bignerd on Feb 11, 2010 3:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Nope

Staley is ranked 26, Sims 32. Snyder 61 out of 77. Rachal is ranked 35, Baas 60 (out of 84 guards)

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 11, 2010 3:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Singletary keeps saying he thinks the core of the OL

has the potential to be an an above average unit in the League. I am inclined to bet that next year, now that he has his coaches in place, the OL will rank by many different metrics as an above average unit. I think it will include one rookie drafted in the first three rounds and possibly one free agent (I include Pashos as a free agent)

They're called RUNS for a reason.

by connie mack on Feb 10, 2010 10:12 PM PST reply actions  

I agree

I think we’ll have a rookie at RT and maybe a rookie/FA at LG.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 11, 2010 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice post

As far as the poll is concerned, I voted 4, but I’m guessing 2-3 will make the team.
A right tackle in the first should almost be mandatory, and then a guard in the middle rounds.
If Pashos doesn’t return, pick up another vet to push the rookie RT.

Hopefully the new OL will looks something like this:
LT: Staley/ Simms/Snyder
LG: Baas/Rookie/Wallace
C: Heitmann/Wallace
RG: Rachal/Snyder/ (DeLaPuente on practice squad)
RT: Rookie/FA/(Boone on Practice Squad)

This is the year Wallace takes overtakes Wragge as the top interior backup.
I’m pretty indifferent between Wragge/Snyder/Simms. I’d guess Snyder and Simms make it.

That’s 9 guys with 2 more on the PS. The only starter with some age is Heitmann, but Wallace is right behind him.
If the improvement from Rachal is real, and the rest of the younger players develop, this may not be a bad core.

by DesertFox on Feb 10, 2010 11:14 PM PST reply actions  

That's the key isn't it?
If the improvement from Rachal is real, and the rest of the younger players develop, this may not be a bad core

I like Staley at LT. If Rachal keeps on this path he’ll be a very good guard. Heitmann has several years left and when he goes we’ve got Wallace. RT is an emergency spot and an upgrade at LG would be nice.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 11, 2010 12:22 AM PST up reply actions  

anybody you favor in particular at LG?

we all know of the mass of OT prospects in the draft this year, with Bulaga, Williams, Campbell, etc. but assuming the team does not draft a LG like Iutapi, is there anybody out there, in the draft or free agency, that you would really like to see playing by the bay next season?

by monkey spanker on Feb 11, 2010 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

There are a ton of guards in the draft that could push Baas for a starting spot

I’m not too worried about that. I don’t think we go after a guard in free agency because with an uncapped year there will not be many of them available and their services will likely be overpriced.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 11, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

It seems like guards make less money than tackles

so it might be better from a cost perspective to draft a Tackle and sign a guard in free agency

They're called RUNS for a reason.

by connie mack on Feb 11, 2010 9:42 AM PST reply actions  

Smiley, do you think a guy like Alex Barron

could get coached up by Sing and the Niners and solve our RT issues, I expect he will be available cheap this offseason, but no one doubts his potential, just his head.
It seems like this is a specific skill that Singletary brings to the Niners, an ability to reach young, talented, black players that other coaches don’t have.

They're called RUNS for a reason.

by connie mack on Feb 11, 2010 12:53 PM PST reply actions  

Barron

I think the Rams give him a tender since he’s RFA and hang on to him for one more year. Barron’s been stuck in a no-man’s land of poor coaching so with a decent head coach and offensive line coach he might be able to turn things around.

The pros to signing him are that we can do it on the cheap (assuming he’s not given an RFA tender by the Rams). He’s also very durable, not missing any time at all since he was drafted five years ago.

He is a penalty machine though (5 false starts and 5 holding penalties this year), He’s given up 5.5 sacks which isn’t too bad considering the line he plays on (by comparison Staley has given up 3). I wouldn’t be opposed to us picking him up if he hits FA.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 11, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Giving it up for Smiley man, nice post, keep up the dedication.

Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE

Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!

by rlott#42 on Feb 11, 2010 6:33 PM PST reply actions  

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