Official NN User Mock Draft Thread 2.5 (02/11/10)
by Drew Kerr on Feb 11, 2010 6:29 PM PST
Email
Print
I wanted to get a new thread up since the other Official Thread inherited a glitch. In doing so, I am going to do this Mock Draft Thread a bit different and have renamed it (the 2.5 version). In this specific thread, I'd like to focus on everyone's Niner specific wants, needs, etc. So if you have a mock, this thread will mainly be for Niners picks rounds 1-7. The other threads should stay up for a bit longer, so if you have a full 1st Round mock, or anything resembling that, post it in those ones.
I want to provide three scenarios (scenario A. B, and C) each of which will cover different areas. I realize everyone has different preferences of what the Niners should or will do, so I will try and put out scenarios to cover everyone's preferences. I understand that some will still be unhappy, so this post will give you the opportunity to put out your own if you're not happy with any of the scenarios.
Also, 49ersFanSince1950 had put out a community poll in his three option scenario that was posted in the last thread. I am going to rip out a page from his playbook and do the same thing here in this post. Big thanks to 49FS1950 for the idea. For anyone that's read this, Fooch and howtheyscored will be monitoring the site to make sure that all mocks are being posted in the Official Mock Posts. If you are planning on doing a fanpost, please make sure that it does not include a mock draft because it more than likely will be moved here anyway.
SCENARIO A (HEAVILY OFFENSIVE SCENARIO)
1st Round, Pick 13- C.J. Spiller RB (Clemson)
1st Round Pick 16 or 17- Bruce Campbell OT (Maryland)
2nd Round- Demaryius Thomas WR (Georgia Tech)
3rd Round- Jon Asamoah OG (Illinois)
4th Round- Reshad Jones S (Georgia)
5th Round- Stephen Williams WR (Toledo)
6th Round- Walter Thurmond CB (Oregon)
7th Round- Zac Robinson QB (Oklahoma State)
SCENARIO B (BALANCED OFFENSE/ DEFENSE SCENARIO)
1st Round, Pick 13- Earl Thomas S (Texas)
1st Round, Pick 16 or 17- C.J. Spiller RB (Clemson)
2nd Round- Mardy Gilyard WR (Cincinnati)
3rd Round- Jason Fox OT (Miami)
4th Round- Cameron Sheffield OLB (Troy)
5th Round- Arthur Jones DT (Syracuse)
6th Round- Walter Thurmond CB (Oregon)
7th Round- Zac Robinson QB (Oklahoma State)
SCENARIO C (HEAVILY DEFENSIVE SCENARIO)
1st Round, Pick 13- Earl Thomas S (Texas)
1st Round, Pick 16 or 17- Brandon Graham DE (Michigan)
2nd Round- Brandon Ghee CB (Wake Forest)
3rd Round- Jason Fox OT (Miami)
4th Round- Jacoby Ford WR (Clemson)
5th Round- Akwasi Owasu-Ansah S/ CB (Indiana)
6th Round- Justin Cole OLB (San Jose State)
7th Round- Boo Robinson NT (Wake Forest)
ALTERNATE SCENARIO INCLUDING TRADE UP
The only sure-fire way to get Eric Berry (or at least give us a 50/50 shot at him), would be to move all the way up to the number three spot in the draft. The 3rd spot in the draft is worth 2,200 points. Our 1st two picks will be worth 1,150 points and 1000 points assuming we get the 16th pick on the coin toss. This would leave us 50 points short which may require us to throw in our 4th, but for arguments sake we'll call it even with our 1st two picks. Tampa Bay could very well go for it considering they are rebuilding. So here it is...
1st Round- Picks 13 and 16 traded for the 3rd overall pick- Eric Berry SS (Tennessee)
2nd Round- Valdimir Ducasse OG/ OT (Umass)
3rd Round- Jordan Shipley WR (Texas)
4th Round- Jermaine Cunningham DE/ OLB (Florida)
5th Round- Mitch Petrus OG (Arkansas)
6th Round- Walter Thurmond III CB (Oregon)
7th Round- Tim Brown WR (Rutgers)
POSSIBLE UNDRAFTED C.O.P. RUNNING BACKS
LeMarcus Coker (Hampton)
Brandon James (Florida)
Michael Smith (Arkansas)
Shawnbrey McNeal (SMU)
Brandon West (Western Michigan)
Please pick your favorite scenario and provide commentary on why that particular scenario makes the most sense to you. Thanks for the participation and don't forget to Rec it...
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
441 comments
|
4 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
What I think the team needs by the end of the offseason (in order)
1. RT
2. Depth in secondary
3. KR
4. LG
5. 1 more talented offensive skill position player
If we can get those things (not just in the draft, FA too), and we don’t regress anywhere else, we’ll make the playoffs next year IMO.
So filling in those blanks… who would you insert?
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
heres the mock at this moment
1.a/b spiller and bulaga. mess with the seahawks so we can get both
2. Nate Allen, FS Florida
3. Jacoby Ford, WR, clemson
4. Mike Johnson, G, Alabama
5-7 are basically tossups. but that has me covered.
by hellaninersfan on Feb 11, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
So what did you select? Must’ve been B because I know lott had to be one of the Alternate’s.
Btw, lott….put that one there just for ya.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Are we assuming that we’re trying to fix every team need in scenario B?
Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...
It’s supposed to be balanced 4 offensive and 4 defensive… and yes, for the most part take care of everything. Everything but Guard was addressed but I thought that Robinson at 7th had more value than a 7th round guard.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
That has benefits and drawbacks. Benefits are that all positions are filled with talent and potential now, but drawbacks are that if we were to sign any free agents, they could be in heated training camp battles, with some even on the bench. Also, having too many starting rookies is not only hard for an inexperienced coach like Singletary, it also means there’s too much talent to evaluate, and plus a lot of those rookies may not pan out.
Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...
I don’t expect everyone on the lists to be starters. Of course there would be competition… but for arguments sake… let’s say 4 of the 8 rookies beat out veterans for their jobs because they’re better, is that such a bad thing? If they’re compete ready and earned the spot because they’re a better player, it shouldn’t matter whether they are a rookie or a 10 year vet. Will a vet know all the little things that go hand and hand better than a rookie? Sure. Does it meant that he is a better player because of that? Not always.
In reality, this year I only expect there to be two changes… that’s RT and SS… possibly, possibly WR. If someone else happens to creep in there, then so be it. If we draft Spiller, he will be in and out of the game frequently both on special teams as well as offense I suspect…so you can give yourself a “half starter” on that one. Let’s call it 2 1/2, maybe 3 1/2 shall we?
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Whoa, it's late.. lemme try that again...
I don’t expect everyone on the variety of lists to be starters. Of course there would be competition… but for arguments sake… let’s say 4 of the 8 rookies beat out veterans for their jobs because they were better, is that such a bad thing? If they’re “compete ready” and earned the spots because they’re a better player, it shouldn’t matter whether or not that they are a rookie or a 10 year vet. Will a vet know all the little things that go hand and hand with being a pro better than a rookie? Sure. Does it mean that he is a better player because of that? Not always.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
it also means there’s too much talent to evaluate, and plus a lot of those rookies may not pan out.
There is a chance of that in every draft. If Sing hasn’t got it figured out after a year and a half, then he may not ever get it figured out. I think he is fine on the evaluation process and won’t have any quarrels cutting a guy if he doesn’t fit the profile.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Thanks Drew, when I read it I already knew. Between you chikmagnet and smileyman, I feel alot of love around here.
Didn’t forget ya chesapekebay9er
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Team needs
Safety
Right Tackle
KR/PR
Down field WR
LG
Mocking.............
1a- traded for Eric Berry
1b- CJ Spiller RB Clemson
2 traded to acquire E Berry
3. Calloway, Selvish Capers, Jason Fox
4. Mike johnson OG, John Jerry, Asamoah
5. Stephen Williams, Jacoby Ford, Freddie barnes
6.Anthony Wiseman CB Maryland
7. Danny Batten, South Dakota State - DE
Sorry FloridaDanny, I owe you one, I just don't know what it is!!
I know you love Eric Berry, but let’s get real here. Safety is our 3rd biggest need, at best. Right tackle is a critical need, since Snyder is a backup guard at best right now, and the return game needs some juice in it. Left guard is also a bigger need, since Baas is an average run blocke and poor pass protector. Alex Smith needs all the O-line help he can get. Wide receiver is a lesser need than o-line, but I agree that we need a threat opposite Crabtree, and alongside Davis and Morgan. Berry is not worth giving up 2 first rounders for, no matter how high his potential may be.
Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...
I am being real
Our team will go further improving the defense as a whole than to focus on heavy offensive picks for the 2010 season. Heavy offense will be good for 2011 and 2012. RT is not a 1st round MUST. So there is no juice for KR/PR in later rounds, there are more than two rounds in a draft and more than one speed player. Berry is worth giving up two firsts, especially if you acquire a 2nd. I personally wouldn’t trade up to 3 for him that is what Drew K suggested so please direct your comment that way.
I think he falls to 7, he will go 5 at the highest and that is my opinion.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Trading up to 3
That’s probably going to be the best chance to solidify acquiring him. The Chiefs have horrible safeties, there is slim chance that the Seahawks would pass on him and there is even a chance that Washington could take him.
I think you are saying he would only be worth taking if he fell to 7, but that isn’t a likely scenario considering he is the 2nd best player in the country. He is the best prospect at that position since Ed Reed. Singletary may want to structure that defense like the one he was LB’s Coach for at Baltimore.
I did the alternate like that because its the best chance to FOR SURE get him. Any other scenario involving getting Berry is very low percentages.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Well, there is a serious chance that the Buccaneers draft Russell Okung, the ’Skins draft a quarterback (Bradford or Clausen), and the Chiefs take a player who is a team need, which is what Scott Pioli historically has preferred to do, such as draft Rolando McClain, Joe Haden, or even Bruce Campbell, who is a de facto top 10 talent. If that happens, we trade for the 6th pick immediately.
Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...
Chiefs
Have you seen their Safety situation? Horrible nightmare would be the best way to describe it. Berry would be BPA for that team over Haden and or McClain. There are a few awesome ILB’s on the market right now in Pierce (from NY) and Dansby (from AZ) that they could go after. They actually have an okay set of CB’s.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Jackson is DL though
safety has never been picked top 5.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Sean Taylor was drafted 5th
Plus there was that guy for Cleveland that played FS and then later got converted to CB… forgot his name but he was drafted number 2 or something like that….
I believe strongly that Berry will be selected 3rd overall this year.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Little quote from McShay
I personally don’t think Berry goes that soon. The below quote is Insider restricted, but basically he is discussing how certain positions have more value than others. So while Berry is a great player, it’s better to grab a DT, then Saftey in 2nd round, with the latter translating to more wins. I just don’t see Berry going until AFTER or close to end of when all the other elite players are gone.
“So while All-America safety Eric Berry is tempting, the St. Louis Rams shouldn’t think twice about snatching a defensive tackle, Ndamukong Suh or Gerald McCoy, at No. 1. A combo of Suh and, say, LSU safety Chad Jones (a likely second-round pick) will win more games than Berry and, say, second-round DT Dan Williams will.”
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4907951
For those that have access to Insider material, it’s a great read. Basically Drafting strategy and 4 mistakes to avoid.
Defensive Tackle
There is a huge drop off from Suh and McCoy which should be the 1st two picks. If one of them falls, then they may brab them. Other than that, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, he’ll probably go to Tampa.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Actually, what od you think about our two first for their first and second and 5th?
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
I can't see it happening
Sean Taylor was touted as the best college player coming out in 2004 and he went 5th overall. He was also compared to Ed Reed and Ronnie Lott and he still slipped to 5th overall.
Safety is just not a position that’s valued that highly. Just like QB is overvalued safety is undervalued.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
So are you saying it’s not possible that Berry won’t be picked by the Bucs, because I think it’s a HIGHLY probable scenario.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Tampa Bay has a much greater need for defensive line help
than they do safety help. Yeah they need safety help too, but their run defense is much, much worse than their pass defense. Their run defense is ranked dead last. Their pass defense is ranked 10th overall. I just can’t see them picking a safety when that’s not a huge area of need for them.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Yeah but will they go need vs. BPA who happens to be the best or second best player coming out this year at 3. I don’t think so. Berry is a top 5 pick. And if KC is that dumb to pass on him, there is ZERO chance that Seattle will pass on him. Clausen ro Bradford would be there at their 2nd pick. They could get an Olineman anywhere else in the draft. Again, not a very likely scenario… I honestly and truly cannot trick myself in to thinking he will be there at the 7th pick.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I agree there is a possibility that he goes at 3. I do not believe the Seahawks pass on Clausen and Bradford to take him.
Clausen goes to the skins and he can. If the skins take Bradford, you can put Clausen in Seattle. No way they make it to their next pick. The bills and skins need QB’s. I doubt the Seahawks, have a choice between those two.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
The Bills
have only taken three 1st Rd QB’s in the history of the franchise and there was a huge gap in between Jim Kelly (1983) and JP Losman (2004); the only other QB to be drafted by the Bills was in 1960. After JP Losman, I think they’ll play it conservative. Chan Gailey said something about being able to “fix” Trent Edwards too, so I dont know what that’s all about. I bet before the draft, they will have a QB. Ralph Wilson doesn’t like drafting QB’s. It’s a risk with Bradford cause of the injury and Clausen isn’t the next coming of Joe Montana or anything like that….in other words, not a guy that the Bill’s CAN NOT pass on.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Look
Even if Niners did want him, and wanted him badly, it would be a very dumb move to gamble on anything less than the 3rd pick. Thats the scenario and there is valid reason for it when he is the 2nd best player on the board. This is where the conversation derived from.
IMO even if the 49ers don’t get him, he’s a goner before the Seahawks pick
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I don't doubt that
If by some miracle he slips to 5 we should move immediately to get him. You’re also absolutely right that if we want to be absolutely sure that we land him we have to move up to #3.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
LISTEN to rlott here people!
He is the biggest Berry fan here, and even he recognizes the cost of moving up for a SAFETY. Agreed he is a great player, but I don’t think he has the impact of another player. Let’s say we move to #3, would you rather have Berry or McCoy? Berry or TOP Tackle? I mean, let’s not get blinded by Berry here. If we traded up to #3, no way do I use it on a Safety, not if McCoy is there, or Okung, etc….
I'll take Berry over any OT this year.
But i do agree that #3 is a bit too high.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 12:35 AM PST up reply actions
I think that if he falls past the Bucs
The 49ers should call up the Cheifs to see if they’d be interested in trading down.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
And
The Chiefs have 2 …not 1… count ’em 2 horrible safeties. Brown is too slow and too old and McGraw is barely even good as a backup but he is the starter. The back ups are even worse.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Pretty significant piece of the puzzle missing for them
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Yeah but they also desperately need a DE
OT, OG, and safety. I could see them going Derrick Morgan, Rolando McClain or Eric Berry with their pick. Even offensive line wouldn’t surprise me.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
They need alot
mostly a safety… BPA for the Chiefs at 5
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
OT
Isn’t such a desperate need.
Branden Albert (former 1st round pick) played really well to close out the season.
If they think he can be their LT of the future, then there is no point in selecting a RT in the top 5
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 12:36 AM PST up reply actions
I haven't seen too many of their games
I know Albert struggled quite a bit with the move over, but if he really has improved that takes away one giant need for them.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
He was very good in the final game against DEN
That’s why I think they may try to trade down.
If Berry falls to No.5, you can bet there will be some takers.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:19 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah the Chiefs will have all sorts of offers if Berry falls that far
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
The chiefs brought in Crennel and he made his name with slow safeties and they worked in the scheme, because they could get to the QB and stuff the run.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Huh? I didn’t understand that.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Romeo Crenniel is the DC in KC.
He made his name using slow veteran safeties and good corners. his defenses could stop the run and get to the QB, so I think they have biiger needs than safety.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
I know who he is
I don’t you can fix slow with any kind of zone or anything like that. Both the current starters are more than just slow too, they aren’t one ounce of good for that team.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Even though Drew, if it were you, would you take 2 first rounders with Thomas and Mays there, that would be an option I would consider.
In comparison, the Chiefs have almost twice as many holes as us on O and D, a player like Berry would be great for their team, but using him to trade back could gain them a 1,2, and 3. I would rather have that considering the WR’s, OLB’s, safeties, and corners, sorry plus OL, that drafting him would be stupid.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
I don't think selecting Berry at any position in the draft is "stupid"
No deals are on the table… and I am talking as if there wouldn’t be.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
It is.
Does grabbing Berry at #1 and a DT like Price #33, make sense over grabbing Suh at #1, and S at #33?
I just don’t get what happened to you? I swear you were one of the guys with me, that championed the fact that Safety’s just do NOT make the same kind of impact as other positions, thus making them fall down the draft boards.
Berry/ Price vs. Suh/ Chad Jones or Nate Allen makes more sense to me actually. I think I would take Berry/ Price over Suh/ Allen. If you’re getting beat badly over the top, it makes more sense to get a guy who’s going to be lurking in the secondary waiting to pluck on outta the sky and take it back for six…. making QB’s over think throws, etc.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
If they have all day, the WILL get open regardless who is back there.
Suh makes the whole team better. Berry just the secondary.
That's what they said about Chris Long with the rams....
Huh….
Odd that the player that actually makes the Rams good is Atogwe, a safety.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
You can't agree that Atogwe has a bigger impact than Long?
It’s pretty obvious.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
No I can't, the defense as a whole stinks.
They were 25th vs the pass and 27th vs the run. There inability to stop the run is why there defense even looked that good. A DE in the 4-3 is more of a pass rusher than a runstopper, they have no interior lineman. And with the addition of Suh, that will make Long and Atogwe more valuable. That’s why defenses need to stop the run first, had the Colts ran the ball more they would have beaten the Saints.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Before Atogwe got hurt
They were like 20th vs. the pass or something.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Only because teams didn't need to pass.
Manning only had 200 yds vs them I believe.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
And Atogwe had the most tackles in that game
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
That he is the
MVP of that D
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Done several other times too. Depending on what a team needs, Berry could very well be more valuable than Suh or McCoy.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
And their offense turned the ball over and they didn't get great field position ot defense teams.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Does this conversation really even matter?
Suh and McCoy will be the 1st two picks anyway. We’re talking about the Bucs…. they aren’t going to take a DT because the drop off is huge from Suh and McCoy…their pass D was atrocious so it’s not going to surprise me at all if they pick Berry. There, I have said my piece, I am done with it.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I was specifically talking about the Chiefs and I have to disagree, if hey are there and he is as well, there will be offers.
All specualtion at this point, aside from the comment about what the chiefs should do.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Buttin in
2 me and i’m no genius or draft guru but 2 me alot of kcees latest deffensdrafts hasn’t been working out so i think they might go 4 OL with there first pick they have 2 get better and younger up there but i also can see them trading down 4 more picks they need speed at the wide reciever position and they may be trading dorsey bcuzz rumor has it he would be better in a 4-3 deff so they could go after DT from alabama WHN so they have a few leaks and safety may be a position they can wait until the late rounds like 3,4,5,.
Yeah of course I voted for the alternate, but I on't agree that Berry goes at 3.
According to what I think (my opinion). I think berry falls to 7th. He could go 5th ai think the Chiefs would welcome any takers.
My scenario according to needs would be……
1a traded with 1b to the Chiefs for the number 5 pick and number 37 pick of the draft and 5th rounder.
- E Berry
- DeMaryius Thomas
- Kyle Calloway
- Jacoby Ford, Ryan matthews
4th – Mike Johnson, John Jerry, Sergio Render
5th Dan LeFevour
6th Adrian Tracy OLB
7th La marcus Coker
In the other side of things, if he falls to seventh overall
1a Spiller
1b traded for Berry
2 traded for Berry
3. Jared Veldheer
4-7 see above
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Sorry left out additinal 5th
Arthur Jones, may fall dramatically after knee surgery.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
I happen to agree with chikmagnet_565 in that Calloway could very well be a Guard in the NFL. Maybe Asamoah would work better there? He has been said to be able to play Tackle as well as Guard well.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I know… he’s more than likely going to be a Guard is what I am saying.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Two inexperienced guards in the interior? We tried that with Baas and Rachal, and Rachal still has promise, but Baas looks average at best. Calloway is not likely to do much better at Guard than Baas. Unless we land Iupati or even Asamoah, I’d prefer they signed a free agent guard.
Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...
That's an option too.
I wouldn’t mind if the 49ers picked up a G in the 3rd or the 4th to compete with Wragge and Baas (even if they got a G in FA)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 12:46 AM PST up reply actions
You think so?
Why is that and who do you like as the best RT. Projected as a RT is what I mean.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
I think he is more fluid at the position. He did extremely well at RG in The Orange Bowl. He played RT pretty much all year but he looked really really good at RG. He is veratile of course, I just think he is a better fit at RG than RT in what I have seen.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
He looked very good at RG in the senior bowl
I think some team will give him a chance to play RT.
But since I believe he will end up at RG, I don’t see him as a good fit in SF.
Ciron Black and Jason Fox are also possibilites if you don’t want to draft a RT in the 1st.
Both have issues but that’s what you’re going to get when you don’t draft an OT in the 1st.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 12:48 AM PST up reply actions
Which guard was it that measured 35 inch arms at the Senior Bowl?
that’s the kind of arm length you want at tackle.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Iupati
But you know he struggled in OT drills and in the actual game too.
Selvish Cappers, Vladimir Ducasse, John Jerry, and Mike Johnson had arms of 34 or higher.
Doesn’t Chilo Rachal have big arms too?
I recall some people saying he could move to RT when he was drafted, but he’s a G.
Just like some of the above prospects are Gs too.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 12:45 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I know
Rachal’s a bit too thick in my opinion to move out to tackle. Iupati isn’t. Capers and Jerry are also thicker. Ducasse is a bit leaner so could go out to tackle (and has played there before).
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Ducasse struggled too didn't he?
I’d take any of the above guys as Gs.
When it comes to OTs, I’d rather have have a guy like Jason Fox or Ciron Black (if an OT isn’t selected in the 1st)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:20 AM PST up reply actions
Not that bad
Not as bad as Iupati. He held steady on a majority of the plays he was in for. I have it DVR’d, so I’ve watched it about five more times than I should have breaking down players
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I agree with you agreeing with me
: )
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 12:38 AM PST up reply actions
In the other side of things, if he falls to seventh overall
1a Spiller
1b traded for Berry
2 traded for Berry
I would order a Scot M. fat head if he pulled this off.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Feb 11, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think he will fall to 7.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I wouldn't be surprised if he did
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
It’s not a probable scenario
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Well I agree with you Smiley
I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him #7. In fact, I think he goes #7-#10.
Ok... How about #1 - # 15 ?
I love safe bets
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
You don't see the Seahawks passing on him, huh?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
Nope
Not when their pass defense ranked 30th in the NFL and they have guys like Babineaux and Grant stop gapping. Bradford or Clausen will be there at 14… plus there’s no gaurantee that they will even draft a QB 1st round. They may hold out and trade up for hometown favorite Jake Locker next year and hope Hasselbeck can hang in there one more season. If a guy like Berry is there for their taking at 6, I don’t think there’s any question in my mind that they wouldn’t hesitate to snag him.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Their CB’s weren’t the problem.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
The CBs deserve some blame too though
Lucas was average at best and when Trufant came back all he did was draw PI calls.
I think they’ll pull the trigger if Berry is there, that’s why I think the Cheifs are the team to call for a trade.
Although the Chiefs may have more than one suitor, which could drive the price up.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
The price will be high, indeed. I have a 1 percent chance of the Niners making the deal for him.
So my hopes aren’t high, but I will make the discussion. I still feel it would be better to imrove the defense first if possible.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Same here.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Not probable
But it could DEFINITELY happen.
Especially if the Rams take a QB with the No.1 pick (seems less and less likely as the draft approaches).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 12:49 AM PST up reply actions
And I don’t think Fat Head makes Scot McCloughlan models. But I know that scenario (landing Berry and Spiller), is my absolute dream.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Feb 12, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully he pulls a crabtree lol and falls a little bit
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Feb 12, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
according to the value chart it could happen.
It’s not likely he falls that far. I think if the Redskins take Bradford the Seahwks take Clausen, and the Lions doing what I would, considering the LT position and Okung being an excellent prospect, it could happen. I am keeping hope alive.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
I'm missing something here
I see you not having left out a 5th rounder but you say that we get from the Chiefs “the number 5 pick and number 37 pick of the draft and 5th rounder”. So what I read there is that we got higher 1st rounder, another second rounder, and a 5th rounder.
Now in your picks you show 1, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7 seems to me it should be 1, 2, 2, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7.
What is my warped brain missing here in reading your info?
Another one to toss out to ya. Would you want to use one of those 5’s on Stephen Williams?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 12, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Not bad, but there’s a low chance that Ford ends up ever being an effective deep threat, or that Burnett pans out and becomes an improvement over even Michael Lewis. Whatever.
Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...
Why is there a low chance. He has what you need for that, speed.
They essentially run 2-4 routes, not hard to master those either.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Ford
he may be the fastest man in the NFL next year…. I don’t get how he would NOT be an effective deep threat.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
any highlights of drops
He hauled his passes in that I seen. he won’t be over the middle around linebackers if he is a deep threat. Plus I imagine you know Berrian in Minnesota. Speed guy with suspect hands and he got a 40 or 50 million dollar contract. Speed is a commodity.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Berrian is terrible though
I sure hope Ford doesn’t end up like Berrian.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 12:51 AM PST up reply actions
He catches the ball as good (maybe better) than DeSean Jackson.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
If he does, and he has amazing speed, and he projects to be a solid kick returner at worst, why in hell is he going in the 4th?
Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...
Alot of other WR’s higher on the board than him. He is mainly just a fly route, out route, double route type of guy. He’s not the guy who is going to be running a ton of curls, hitches, wheels, digs, swings, or flare routes. There are alot of prospects that are more well-rounded as far as being able to do more on particular routes.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
*
He is mainly just a fly route, out route, double out route type of guy.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Hmmm
So really he’s not a good route runner just imagine if Jerry Rice does follow thru (and the FO does too) on his offer to help. Imagine him helping Ford and Crabs route running skills. Just a thought to play the mind with.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 12, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, but route running, although hard, can be taught. Hands, speed, and kick returning ability are valuable enough to go 2nd.
Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...
Maybe to the Raiders… but most teams don’t draft for speed. If that were the case Usain Bolt would be suiting up somewhere and I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
If Ochocinco can play professional soccer
I can’t see why Bolt can’t dress up as a return guy . . .
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Won't happen
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I voted A
Spiller and Davis would be instant impact players on offense, exactly what this team needs.
Though I’m a little confused as to why Bey-Bey is the 2nd rounder there, but Gilyard is the second round in Scenario B. I prefer Gilyard by a lot.
Though, the Alt. Scenario will look a lot more attractive to me if somehow we land a Jahri Evans/Marcus McNeil-type in FA.
So in scenario A you are saying switch bey bey out with Gilyard? I would be happy with that. I just put Thomas there because I can see Sing going with a guy like that who could crush people in the blocking game also. If we drafted Gilyard though, we would not have to use Spiller there much which would free him up for to be a bigger part of the offense.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Besides
I think that Thomas may be more of a Singletary guy than Gilyard. Seem to like the bigger more physical receivers.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I wasn't a big fan of Thomas
But I started doing some research on him and like him a LOT. Big Physical Downfield threat. How could you NOT like him. Just like Gilyards ability to do more things within the offense and special teams.
I also think he's the best kick returner in the draft.
I don’t know how good he is at returning punts though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 12:53 AM PST up reply actions
Nice twist Drew K
I like how you changed that up for 2.5, that was pretty cool, and not because of the Berry scenario, lol.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
It breaks it up a bit. I said in the beginning that I was only going to do 3. We will have another community mock as well closer to the draft. My last one will be sometime in March and I may need to come up with a couple more different twists to break it up some.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
The community mock will be so much more realistic and fun when all the major and mid-tier free agents have been signed, and the combine will have come and gone, and ESPN, DraftTek, and other sites will have 7 round mocks up, so it would be a good idea to go at least 3 rounds. Also, I do like to get compliments on my drafting skills :)
Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...
My Scot Mc Mock
1a Earl Thomas Safety Texas- McCloughan was targeting Jarius Byrd and Darius Butler at the 2nd pick, they were gone and he traded the pick. E Thomas made several plays in the pasing game and wil be what I expect.
1b. CJ SPiller – I don’t see many teams wanting to add Spiller, questions of durability will be the concern due to his lack of contact in college, Scot may think like me, it’s not his fault he couldn’t be hit.
2. Best Rt
3. Best DE
4. Best CB
5. Best WR
6. BPA
7. BPA
Best means the best player left on the board, and who knows what is on that thing.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
My Scot McMock
1a. Who knows?
1b. Who knows?
2. Endless possiblities
3. Got me…
4. Your guess is as good as mine.
5. Player that won’t make, or shouldn’t make the roster
6. See above
7. Ditto
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
LOL, except for 5. He’s done well in the 5th, don’t you think?
Andy Lee for MVP! Hey, that rhymes...
Nate Davis
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
A few things
Boo is considered an NT? He’s 295 that seems a bit slight for an NT. What about Jay Ross from E. Carolina or Torrell Troup from UCF? Or maybe the kid from GA. Or how about my favorite idea on NT of waiting till next year and going for Jerrell Powe?
Now on the QB situation. I’m not sure we “waste” a pick on a QB right now. I mean we have 3 right now. Not great but serviceable. We are going in with the assumption that the starter job is Smith but we’re kinda taking a defeatist attitude it seems. Plus maybe I’m dreaming but I think that the QB situation will look a lot better than this years.
BTW I voted B though I kinda like some of the C part as well. As with anyone I would have some adjustments to make for both. I"m probably going to work out one for each of the scenarios just to see what I can come up with. Hope to get it done tonight but may have to be in the morning as it is after midnight here.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 11, 2010 9:52 PM PST reply actions
Robinson
If he gains 10 LBS or so he’ll be pretty close to what Franklin weighs. People think he will be a Nose Tackle if he can gain the weight. I am sure he is on a weight gaining program as we speak.
Troup or Cam Thomas could also be possibilities
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I take it...
from your last statement there that you don’t like Jay Ross too much huh? And what do you think about holding off on NT till next year and shooting for Powe?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 12, 2010 6:06 AM PST up reply actions
I like Powe, so that’d be an option…particularly if we kept Franklin. The only thing I am concerned about is that there is nobody to back Franklin up if he misses any games.
Not real crazy about Ross. I think ECU has too many players that declared as it is. We could maybe invite him to a tryout because he’ll probably be an UDFA.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Cam Thomas
I think he can be a very good NT in a 1-gap scheme.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 12:55 AM PST up reply actions
North Carolina....blehck!
Still pouting about the Balmer pick… I’d like to stay away from Dlinemen from that school…haha.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
lol
Thomas looked good at the Senior Bowl though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:21 AM PST up reply actions
295 isn't bad for a NT
average NT in the NFL is about 305-310, so that’s just a couple of extra Big Macs a day.
IMO Smith earned the starter job for next year. Our offense was more efficient with him in there. I don’t like any of the QB talent coming out this year, but I wouldn’t be horribly upset if we drafted a QB in the 4th or 5th.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Whadday think about
next years group?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 12, 2010 6:05 AM PST up reply actions
Of QBs?
Locker and Mallet highlight it.
Luck may come out (doubtful)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t think Luck would come out as a sophmore. He’d be a surefire #1 overall pick if he came out as a senior, maybe junior.
by Hoopers Judge on Feb 13, 2010 1:52 AM PST up reply actions
Stanzi could emerge as well
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I don't seem to like him too much.
He’s mentally tough, but there’s just something I don’t like about this kid.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:22 AM PST up reply actions
Haven't done enough studying on them yet.
Got my hands full with this year’s group.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Jacory Harris could be also if he comes out as a Junior
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Him too.
He really exceeded expectations in 2009
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:22 AM PST up reply actions
So from that Litany
and I’d add Devlin to the list, sounds like probably a better group of QBs to pick from next year.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 14, 2010 4:51 AM PST up reply actions
We thought the same thing last year
Jevan Snead was considered as a front runner for the No.1 overall pick.
Look how that worked out.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
that’s why you keep an eye on them thru the year and that way you know when they need to be cut from your list.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 17, 2010 4:21 AM PST up reply actions
You have a list?
Nice.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 17, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
it’s called nfldraftscout and look at who they have as 2011 QBs :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 17, 2010 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
A question for the group:
Personally, I’d be happy getting the best safety or O-lineman in this draft in return for a first and second rounder. Either Berry or Okung fill the 49ers two main positions of need, DB help and OLine. One will be available at the #4 pick, and if either Berry or Okung fall to #5 I would go right ahead and trade away pick #16-17 and our second round choice. I even might choose 1a instead of 1b to pack with the second round. These two are can’t miss prospects: Okung is the best lineman coming out of college since Jake Long, and Berry is a once-in-a-decade prospect. I’d be really happy if we got either of them at #5 and still had a pick in the latter half of the 1st round. Is it too much to sacrifice pick 13 and a second rounder for the Chiefs’ ’#5 slot?
I would say
for Okung, yes too much…. for Berry, no, I think it would be worth it. However, in order to solidify getting him, I would trade up to the 3rd pick to get him if you wanted him that bad. You can wait and hope he falls to 5 and if he doesn’t keep your picks but if you really want him, you trade up as early as 3.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I would just wait and see what happens 1-4 and then make my move. I wouldn't move up to 3 to get him.
At 5 for Berry
Chiefs #5 = 1700 pts
49ers #13 = 1150 pts + 2nd round 13th 450 pts+ next year 3rd
At 7 for Berry
Browns #7 = 1500 pts
49ers 13th 1150 pts
49ers # 16 = 1000 pts (TBD)
49ers 17 = 950 pts (TBD)
Our two 1sts for 7th overall and a 2nd round 7th pick, would be a Great trade for Berry.
For the 5th overall, we could not gain another pick so I would not use two firsts.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Future picks
are ony worth half the value. So even assuming we finished the same, that’d only be about 90 more points to that 450 (2nd Rounder) and a future 3rd… so we would have to give up more than that.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
As much as I would love to have Berry
I don’t think the 49ers who are more than one player away from a SB would mortgage all of that for Berry.
They know they need multiple KR/PR, OT, OG, S and CB… They can fill those needs in this draft by using the # 13 and # 16/17 on two of those and then the 2nd rounder for another, maybe a S or OG. This draft is just too loaded to give away high picks.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
The 49ers really aren't too far away from being a playoff contender.
The 49ers have a lot of talent, they just need to develop that talent and hope that Alex Smith turns into an above average QB.
There are only 2 glaring needs: RT and KR/PR a RT can be had in the 2nd round and a return man can be had in the 3rd.
With the 49ers current situation I don’t think it would be a bad move to take a player like Berry and automatically make the defense a top 3 unit (possibly the best in the NFL).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:01 AM PST up reply actions
Good Think you aren't the GM either
I would rather make sure that the two biggest needs are filled and you have 3 good picks in the 1st and 2nd round to get them. KR/PR, OT and then OG…
I really know think that Safety is a big concern to Sing.. he has some young guys like Smith or Taylor to fill that spot when needed.
I totally understand your thinking that Berry would by himself may the Defense a top 5 but it doesn’t work that way.. A better offense makes the defense better as it keeps them off the field..
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Likewise comrade. Of course you can still bolster the offense, even after making that move.
Right tackle and guard is not a 1st round must. With 2 2nd rond picks the OL can be sloidified, than you can use a 3rd and 4th for Ford and Williams, or a player like Barnes. The best WR in this draft is not Dez Bryant, D Williams, or M Gilyard, iMO. This draft is very deep at every position except QB, safety, ILb, and 3-4 de’s.
That wouldn’t kill our draft.
A top 5 defense is best for what our offense would be next season. Say we gave up a 1 and 2 for Berry and also grabbed Spiller or a RT in the first. You still have 3rd and 4th to add a Guard and a better route running WR. Without Spiller, you can still add a player like Coker in later rounds and maybe even a RYan Matthews. It all depends on the combine. I think Valdheer will be the best RT and he is a 2nd round pick at best.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Ok.. so you don't think we need to pick up a top OT in the first
Who would you pick up in the 3rd or 4th round that would be better than we have?
Basically if you don’t improve the OLine a bunch.. and that starts at T… then you have a problem and won’t score many points..
By the way.. Staley has looked horrible at LT…
Also, I do appreciate yours and Drew’s and Smileyman’s and Chik’s opinions… I am just the guy who thinks.. you have fix the wheels before you supe up the engine… cause without work wheels you aren’t going anywhere.
It will be fun to see what Jed, McC and Sing do in both FA and the draft… I am sure we will all be watching… and I have a feeling we can definitely expect the unexpected.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Staley is not great at LT and I agree, but we are going forward with him and he is still young.
Anyone we draft in 3rd or 4th would be better at RT than Snyder. If I put on 100 lbs, I could be better.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
LOL I was going to ask if you would do that....
And in the 3rd round the 49ers pick rlott#42 RT
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
No moving up to get him?
Dang! I guess we know what Jim thinks of you huh Lott? LOL
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 14, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Coker is no where near a CJ Spiller. That’s like saying we don’t need an Eric Berry when we can get a Van Eskridge in the 6th.
The best WR in this draft is not Dez Bryant, D Williams, or M Gilyard, iMO
huh? seriously?
A top 5 defense is best for what our offense would be next season
With continuity and the same players as last year, we could possibly have that wiothout drafting 1 single defensive player. A decent SS in FA and we could be set.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
One of the biggest problems with the defense last year
Was the fact the Offense went 3 and out so many times.
The defense was on the field most of the time.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
For what our offense will be next season, a top 5 defense would be the best blend. Are you arguing that statement here?
WHo said Coker is anywhere near Spiller. What is Spiller, a great COP back and KR/PR. You can combo draft to equal him. Maybe not one player, but FOrd and Coker would make up for a spiller. You can combo two players to equal Berry, if you want a 2 down safety.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
That's the thing.
A RT can be picked up in the 2nd round, a KR/PR can be picked up in the 3rd or 4th and an OG can be picked up from the 3rd to the 5th.
The 49ers have 2 1st round picks to spend on “wants” not “needs”.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
I'd do it for Berry.
Okung is a good OT, but there will be other OTs in the draft.
There is no one like Berry.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
My 2 Cents Worth ...
My God. I go away for a few hours and you guys have left me in the dust!!
First, Drew, many thanks for doing such a good job of putting the survey together. I tried to do something similar earlier today and failed miserably in trying to make this software work for me.
I voted for Scenario A because I believe that our defense is evolving nicely and will continue to develop; together with Warner’s retirement it will probably be good enough to get us into the playoffs, assuming that the offense doesn’t completely fall apart. HOWEVER, I don’t want to just get to the playoffs; I want to develop an elite team AGAIN. We cannot do that until we do three things with respect to the offense:
1. Decide what our offensive scheme (smash-mouth, spread, WC, or Jimmy’s mixed bag) is going to be and commit to it, so that we can focus on drafting the right players;
2. Improve the OL capabilities SIGNIFICANTLY for both Alex’s and Frank’s sake;
3. Add some additional playmaking capabilities; this means significant improvement in #2 and #3 WR talent, a COP RB capability with speed, and significant improvement in KR/PR capability (I consider this part of the offense).
Seems to me that Scenario A makes very good headway on items 2. and 3.
I would suggest a couple of changes to your specific picks. While I like Campbell very much, I think that, system-wise, Bulaga is further developed and could therefore make a faster impact as a immediate starter at RT. While I also like Williams, what he offers is similar capability (primarily height and athleticism) to Thomas; so, I would substitute Freddie Barnes (or Shay Hodge if Barnes is gone) as a slot receiver at Pick 5. I love Thurmond but we could also consider Chris Cook of Virginia as a BIG CB at Pick 6.
I too love Berry; doesn’t everybody? But, in my judgement, he would be too costly in terms of the overall draft. If we only were one or two players away, then great, go for it! But we all know that we need more help than that. The multiple picks are worth more.
One of my concerns in the draft is that the three OGs that we should be targeting in Round 3 (Asamoah, Ducasse, or Johnson) may be gone by Pick 79. I think that there’s a big difference between these three and the next level down (e.g., John Jerry). Here’s a thought to try to assure that we get a least one of the three: Since the KC Chiefs are looking to add WR capability for Cassel, propose that they trade their round 3 pick at #68 to us in exchange for our round 3 #79 PLUS their pick of one WR from: Brandon Jones, Josh Morgan, Jason Hill, or Dom. Zeigler. (Before people go crazy, let me point out that certainly Thomas and proably Barnes are improvements over those individuals IMO.)
Finally, while I hope that we participate as buyers in the FA market I also hope that it won’t be at the high-dollar end (e.g., Peppers, McNabb, etc.). I would like to see us add somebody like Kyle Vanden Bosch as an upgrade to Soap; while he’s not what he used to be he is only 31 and still has some gas in the tank. Save the big-dollar investments for extensions for Willis, Davis, Goldson, etc.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 11, 2010 11:58 PM PST reply actions
no thanks
I would like to see us add somebody like Kyle Vanden Bosch as an upgrade to Soap
I don’t see that as an upgrade:
1) Van Den Bosch clearly benefited from Haynesworth’s presence, and is thus slightly overrated
2) VDB is 31, Soap is 28, and Soap has a lot fewer miles on his clock
3) VDB would cost big $$‘s because he’s a name guy and a past pro-bowler
4) Soap knows the system and never complains about playing time
Why mess a key cog in the base 3-4 that was dynamite against the run in 2009?
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
Defensive Lineman
Here is a list of DLineman that will be eligible (6 years) that I’d consider with no new CBA in place:
1. Anthony Hargrove (Saints) 6 Years UFA
2. Tank Johnson (Cincinnati) 6 Years UFA
3. Jimmy Kennedy (Minnesota) 8 Years UFA
4. Reggie Hayward (Jacksonville) 8 Years UFA
5. Casey Hampton (Pittsburgh) 9 Years UFA (Backup for Franklin)
6. Richard Seymour (Oakland) 9 Years UFA
7. Kyle Vanden Bosch (Tennessee) 8 Years UFA
8. Marcus Spears (Dallas) 6 Years UFA
9. Cory Redding (Seattle) 7 Years UFA
10. Will Smith (New Orleans) 6 Years UFA
11. Julius Peppers (Carolina) 8 Years UFA
There are a list of the guys that are currently on the market that I would consider. Some of them will be expensive but we’ll be in an uncapped year. Once there is a new CBA, I expect that we’ll likely still have room to extend players like Willis and Davis since we are well below the current Cap. Not to mention, some of these guys could be signed to 2 or 3-year deals. And like grantmp, I believe that you should only bring a guy on if he is an absolute upgrade. Vanden Bosch could be a slight upgrade but he may not be able to do some of the things that Sopoaga does well.
On your point about the scenario of putting an offense in place, I agree with that to an extent, only you cannot play ever team the same. So I since we were capable of both running a power game (occasionally) last year as well as running the spread, I think that implementing both those styles would be great, but I think the power game needs alot of work. If you game plan accordingly, your chances of winning are much higher. Play to your opponets weaknesses and you have a better shot at winning. If you play against a team that has a decent front seven then maybe you gameplan a “spread” attack for that game; if you play a team that has a weak front seven, then you run it down their throats and control the tempo of the game….you can’t do that against everyone though.
In scenario A, the reason I didn’t include Bulaga is because I fully expect the Raiders or Bills to snag him…possibly even the Jags as well. If he falls to 17, then great but I am not holding my breath. Trent Williams is also another candidate…he plays the RT position maybe better than any of these guys. We don’t know how well any of the LT’s will convert over to RT. Williams may be the most sure-fire way for us to go…I can see Scot M going there.
On trading Morgan, Jones, Hill or Zeigler: I’d be okay with it but then you run the risk in having to wait for the rookie to develop possibly. I think I’d be more prone to trade Jones, Hill, or Zeigler before Morgan because of the roof that Morgan has. Plus he gives us a solid back up for a KR guy. The offer would have to be very good for me to be okay with letting Morgan go…surely there would be some team that would bite on th ebait though.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Without trading and trying to pick all draft rounds in numbered position
I quickly came to this. But like most forcaster, It’s what I think. It really doesn’t matter , does it ?
#13. – OT- A. Davis, Rutgers or Bulaga, Iowa
#16. – S – Earl Thomas,Texas
#49 – OG – Lupati, Idaho or Mike Johnson, Ala.
#79. – RB – C.J. Cable, USC or Tony Gerbert, Stanford
#110. – DE – Derrick Morgan, Georgia tech
#141. – OLB – Thadeus Gibson, Ohio St.
#172. – DE – Alex Carrington, Ark.
#208. – Anyone at this point.
It’s anyone guess,so there it is !
Really reaching on Morgan there
/sarcasm
1.Trent Williams 1.Brandon Graham 2. Syd Thompson 3.Torell Troup 4.Andrew Quarless 5.John Jerry 6.Mike Kafka 7.Quinton Andrews 7.Preston Parker
Actually, I'm off on Cable but D. Morgan is right on
In 2008, he was 3rd in total tackles and 2nd in sacks behind E. Brown. In 2009, He was ACC Defensive player of the year with 18.5 tackles for losses and 12.5 sacks. Very good against the run and pass rushing.
Sure I went out on the limb with my picks but no one is 100% correct. Remember that no one is better than anyone one else in selecting who will be selected. We willn’t know until Draft Day and some us will happy and others Mad.
by LASVEGASNINER on Feb 12, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
There is absolutely NO CHANCE he falls that far. he is too good to fall there.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Look, I not predicting that it going to be that way.
This is why I hate naming names ! If anything, I would prefer positions more than names and then pick the player on Draft Day. I’ve seen crazy picks, crazier than mine. So What, it doesn’t mean a thing until Draft day.Let me have my moment and than on draft day we all can say whether we are right or wrong , happy or not. But until that Day, we all can put our wish list together.
by LASVEGASNINER on Feb 12, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry but Derrick Morgan is probably your furthest off the mark. He’s a 1st Rounder. Iupati is a 1st Rounder….and Carrington is a 2nd, 3rd at the latest.
Sure I went out on the limb with my picks but no one is 100% correct.
But people who know what they’re doing at least get close in the rounds they’re selecting players and that’s the difference in yours and others here. See my suggestion below… if you want to get better at it, then do a bit of research. Just a bit of constructive advice.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
and it all the board.
Some players rated in the top 32 are not even listed in others. I even gone to the top 100 and it varies. I’m not going to name names because it to much info. So I pick who I like and if the rounds/players are rotate around, that fine with me. Is that Okay ?
by LASVEGASNINER on Feb 12, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
Sure, you can do whatever you want. If you want CJ Spiller in the 7th Round you are certainly welcome to do that. I was just trying to help you so that there aren’t a ton of people chopping your head off for your selections
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Please...
It’s Okay to disagree but now you’re biting into nonsense.You said your peace and leave at that. I’m apparently wrong in some selection but that is why I’m here. To Learn. I’m not completely happy with others peoples predictions but that their call ! Besides, it will not be what we want. That’s is up to the FO.
But Thanks for your imput !!!
by LASVEGASNINER on Feb 12, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
If you want to learn about who will be selected where ...
I recommend two particular sites:
1. DraftTek
2. The Huddle Report
Why these guys? Becasue they considtently rank among the most accurate prognosticators in the draft nerd business; meaning, their placement forecasts are closer to what really happens than most of the others. Check ’em out!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Feb 12, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
I have look @ draft tek and The Huddle report
as well Scouts Inc. , Nfl draft Geeks, draft dog and various others. Althought my pick were not in numerical Order and out of place, It’s is a wish list like everyone else. But thanks anyway !
by LASVEGASNINER on Feb 12, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
It’s C.J. Gable and he’s not that good. Not worth a 3rd….and I am not sure he even declared.
Alex Carrington and Derrick Morgan are going much much higher than that, Iupati is a 1st Rounder, Anthony Davis has a huge question mark over his work ethic and his foot work is sloppy…of course those things can be fixed but I just think there is a better fit for us.
I hate to be so critical, but this mock is all over the place. Use a site like Drafttek to get a better idea of what rounds people should be going in. Use the Big Board, Positional Rankings, and Mock Draft to help you. Once you have that down, try it over.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Ahhh! Gable
Ok yeah he’s not going, he’s still on the roster. Stafon and McKnight are in the draft pot though.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 12, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
At the end of the season Sing said that they would add KR/PR as a priority and get multiple players
Now he also reference that they could get these by trade, FA or the draft.
I don’t see a KR/PR or a WR on your list.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Josh Morgan did a decent job at KR
28.2 ypc in 13 attempts.
Aren’t you tired of Drafting WR ? We got Crabtree, Morgan, J.Hill, Zeiglar, B Jones and Spurlock. Maybe use Spurlock as a KR/PR also.
by LASVEGASNINER on Feb 12, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Spurlock got cut mid season
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Thanks,
Forgot that. But he may be back again.
by LASVEGASNINER on Feb 12, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
We don't have two soli WR's, so I am not tired of drafting them.
How many has the team drafted since SMith arrived? Doesn’t matter, we are entering the season with a second year number 1 (potential) and 4 number 3 WR’s.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
You think Iupati falls to 49?
I don’t.
Who is C.J. Cable?
And Derrick Morgan is a top 15 prospect.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:04 AM PST up reply actions
Gable for USC (their 4th stringer, lol)….and we’ve already been through all this with him. He’s not going to budge… he “likes his guys” and it’s his “dream scenario”
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
oh
I thought he was trying to be serious.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:23 AM PST up reply actions
I think he was
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
How sad.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
DRAFT
AT # 13 SPILLER AND # 17 CAMPBELL OT 2ND RD PICK G-MIKE JOHNSON OR G- LUAPATI- IDAHO3- RND RD PICK IS JORDAN SHIPLEY WR-TEXAS; NOW WE CONCENTRATE ON DEFENSE; DERRICK MORGAN, GIBSON,CARRINGTON.
Best Value Pick
The best pick value on these mock drafts has to be Walter Thurmond III….he was a potential first day pick and was killing everybody this last season until he went out for the year. Getting him in the 6th round would be one of the best picks in terms of value for the Niners
So he is a Hit Man? Does he use knives or guns?
Actually can you tell more about who and what for Thurmond?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I wouldn't be displeased with Thurmond
I do like Ansah better though. Bit more of a ball hawk and KR/PR abiliities.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 12, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Thurmond does KR’s and PR’s also…has TD’s doing it. His Sophomore and Junior years he had 5 INT’s in each season. If he wouldn’t have got the knee injury, he would have been top 5, maybe even the 2nd best CB coming in. He had 3 INT’s go for TD’s in 3 consecutive years….He’s definitely a ball hawk too.
I don’t see how Ansah is a better returner…possibly a slight edge on picks but Thurmond is a bigger hitter and better tackler than Ansah. So out of the two, Thurmond is more well-rounded. Plus, they’re basically the same size, height and all that. Ansah comes from I-AA and Thurmond comes from I-A.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Ansah has TD's returning too
In fact 5 of his returns were for TD’s last year. I agree both are close and that’s why I am kinda surprised that they are not closer in the rankings. We each have our guy(s) and at the moment I have a slight edge in my head for Ansah but maybe just being influenced by charts.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 14, 2010 5:08 AM PST up reply actions
SCENARIO A!!!!!
Except I would change the 2nd round pick to Gilyard. But other than that its a great draft, we need an offensive draft!! and pick up a safety, Reshad Jones is a great pick in the 4th.
I have doubts they'll look at Thomas at 17
let alone at 13.
He’s small and a liability in run defense.
by whistlingmountain on Feb 12, 2010 2:32 PM PST reply actions
I agree… I am not a huge fan of Thomas and have openly expressed that. However, he is the best in coverage out of all the safeties except for Berry. Taylor Mays could be taught and a catches on to things like a magnet catches metal and showed this in the Senior Bowl. He does what he’s told and makes sure he does it well. Sort of a coin flip between the two for me but I went with Thomas because as of now, he’s shown he can cover better.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I don't like the pick, but when McC was drafting last year, rumor has it, he wanted Jarius Byrd and didn't get him.
Thomas seems like the same player.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
I would have loved to have Jarius Byrd
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:07 AM PST up reply actions
Well if we do get Thomas i wouldn’t worry, we already have one of the best front 7 in the NFL. Thomas wouldn’t see too many RB’s coming his way.
by Hoopers Judge on Feb 13, 2010 2:03 AM PST up reply actions
He could still be "out-physicalled" by a TE though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
Byrd
had a great year,would have been nice to have him. I would love to have Mays on our team. But Reshad Jones in the 4th(senerio A) is a steel IMO…
lube?
Really dude?
Go to the pharmacy.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:08 AM PST up reply actions
maybe he was making a joke
because of all the KY commercials all over the front page?
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I haven't seen them.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:23 AM PST up reply actions
ALL over.
My GF walked up the other day and like WTF site are you on with lube all over. She thought she caught me looking at “adult” stuff. lol
Weird
I’ll be on the lookout.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
Do you use firefox with Ad Block?
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
If so that might be why you didn't see them
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Yes
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
lol haha
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Feb 13, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
Whats the furthest you see Spiller falling and what team may get him.
This @ Drew K !!
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Earliest I see Spiller going
is 13th with our first pick. Latest is 22nd with the Patriot’s pick. Possible landing spots are us, Seattle, Houston (more likely), Patriots (very likely if he lands there).
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
If he's there I'd be ok with that
as long as we get at least one of the tackles who will be there in the first I don’t much care who the second “skill” player is whether it’s Thomas, Mays, a WR, or Spiller.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Yeah
I think that there’s probably an equal chance that the Haws go with offensive line or RB with their 2nd pick. giants won’t pick a RB. If the Titans pick before us they don’t need one either.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I think Drew hit the nail on the head about seattle and NY, but I worry about NY.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
That's a possibility
but they also really need help with their defensive line.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
I don't think they'll pass on Price if he's available.
They also need a S and even a MLB could be considered there.
I think Bradshaw performed well enough to keep the G-men from drafting a RB in the 1st.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:12 AM PST up reply actions
Furthest?
Assuming we don’t grab him?
I mean it’s “possible” for him to fall all the way to the bottom half of the 1st round; it’s just not probable is all. But if we don’t get him with the 13th and he falls to the 14th, then to the 15th, then to the 16th… BOOM!! I think the trigger will be pulled before they even call our name for the 17th pick (or 16th in the other scenario).
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
But if we dont get him, it’s possible he may surpass the Pats even and go all the way to San Diego.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I'd be really surprised if the Pats don't grab him
they really need a new RB
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Can I weigh in on this?
I think he can fall as far as 22 (Pats).
I think the Falcons may draft him instead of reaching for a CB or DE.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:10 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I've heard that scenaio too
but I disagree, I don’t think Jerious Norwood is bad enough to warrant it. He is super fast and provides the homerun threat already…Turner too.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Norwood was ineffective though.
When Turner got hurt Norwood couldn’t do much.
Jason Snelling was more effective.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:13 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah Norwood stunk it up big time
but I still don’t think the Falcons would get him.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
He had 3.3 a carry and you are sitting there trying to defend Cofee’s 2.7…so… Im just saying.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
a. Coffee was a rookie
b. Our O-line is worse than the Falcons
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
c. Norwood is better than Coffee…and waaayyyyyy faster.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
3.3 vs 2.7
is hardly waaaayyy better. That’s .6 yards a carry difference.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Half a yard goes a long way. And I said waaayyyyy faster
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Norwood isn't an every down back
He is more effective when the beefier guys like Turner and Snelling pound the D for a bit. What I am saying is that they already have their COP/ Homerun threat in him. If they don’t release him, I’d say its low percentage that they go for Spiller with Turner, Snelling, and Norwood already. They need OLB help and Secondary…they could even use some help on their Dline….possibly WR on the offensive side of the ball.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I don't see them passing on Spiller though
Although I’m not as high on him as you are (obviously). I still think he’s a talented player and would be a good pick for the Falcons.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:24 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t see it.. Oh well
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
You think they'll pass on him?
Whoa!
I think it depends on who else is available.
But I think they’d rather go with Spiller rather than reach for a player that fills a need.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:29 AM PST up reply actions
Like you said, it all depends on who’s there. If there’s a couple of BPA type of guys but also fill needs, I think they go with the other guys. For instance (even though I am super high on Spiller) I think they’d taget a guy like Patrick Robinson over Spiller. And with how many OLB’s there are potentially 1st round as well as DE’s, good chance they go there as well.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Anyyywaaayyyyyyy, doesn't matter
cause the Niners are gonna get him. LOL
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
All posibilites
I guess we’ll know more as the draft gets closer.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:32 AM PST up reply actions
Mayeb
But it’s not worth the chance to wait, there will be other tackles to grab. There is only one CJ Spiller..
There is also only one Tim Tebow
What’s your point?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:14 AM PST up reply actions
he’s saying Spiller is a unique talent. an RT is an RT, and ultimately Brian Bulaga won’t play much differently from Trent Williams, but there isn’t another offensive player in this draft like CJ Spiller.
I don’t know if I agree with him. Dexter McCluster is pretty similar.
by hellaninersfan on Feb 13, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
McCluster is not similar
Mainly because of body type and size. Pass blocking is gonna be difficult at the next level for McCluster. He will either make you one dimensional, or less confident in trusting him to pick up blitzes.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Tebow is a unique talent too.
A lot of people said that Michale Oher wasn’t worth the no.10 overall pick because he was the 4th best OT and guys like Loadholt and Beaty would be just as good.
Oh how wrong they were, no?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
spread offense running quarterbacks? there are a lot of them. they just aren’t as famous because they usually don’t amount to much and aren’t as surrounded by talent as Tebow.
by hellaninersfan on Feb 14, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
None in the history of College football have ever been as great as Tebow.
I don’t even like Tebow and I think he’ll FAIL at QB in the NFL.
Saying that “X” player is “unique” is a terrible argument.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
According to Dexknows.com
there’s a CJ Spiller in Pennsylvania.
So you’re wrong. :-)
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
The Fall of "The One"
1. Suh
2. McCoy
3. Okung
4. Bradfords
5. McClain
6. Clausen
7. (1500 pts) Traded to the 49ers for the 13th overall pick (1150 pts) and 2nd round pick(450 pts) Browns throw in an additional fourth 49ers take Eric Berry Safety from Tennessee, and the crowd goes wild, right along with Niners nation.
8. Campbell
9. Graham
10. Morgan
11. Haden
12. Pierre-Paul
13. Browns (from 49ers) Dez Bryant
14. Bryan Bulaga
15. Earl Thomas
16. Weatherspoon
17. 49ers select CJ Spiller…and Drew K wets himself and lays something solid in his pants. (jk)
18. Dan Williams
19. Morgan
20. P Robinson
21. J Gresham
22. Price
23. C Brown
24. Ghee
25. B LaFell
26. Kindle
27. D Washington
28. Dwyer
29. Cody
30. McCoy
31. Odrick
32. Iupati
49ers mock
7- Berry
17- Spiller
3rd- Calloway
4th- John Jerry
4th- F Barnes
5th Stephen Williams
6th Rafael Priest CB- TCU
7th Brandon Banks K St
I know Drew this is very far fetched. however crazier things have happened. now would this trade for Berry be mortgagin the future?
5th-
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
I don't think it's that far fetched
I think it’s very likely that Berry falls out of the top 5. The only thing I would do different in your mock is trade #17 back to #22 (Patriots), for their #44 pick (their 1st pick in the 2nd). We can then hope Spiller falls to us and if he doesn’t we go with an offensive lineman and get a RB in the 4th or 5th (like Joique Bell).
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
How about trade our 3rd and Browns fourth for a 2nd rounder for OL?
Spiller and Berry? Our OL coach with a raw player. I really like what i have heard about Vladheer and would love us to take him. I bet the pats take him in the 2nd.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
That might work too.
It’s kind of a relief knowing that we don’t need a LT—that opens up a bunch more possibilities for us as far as trading and moving around.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Actually change the Calloway pick to Jared Valdheer, my favorite RT prospect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZUoHh8gupE
Not because of the video but I had to post it.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Mike Lombardi on NFL Network made a good point about...
why it’s likely we’ll see Berry drafted by the Bucs. I will see if they have it on NFL.com yet to post it here.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Maybe it was LaCanfora… checking now.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I think Lombardi suggested that the Bucs might trade down
since they need so many more pieces.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
He said that about the Rams I am pretty sure. Because they are equivelant to a expansion team or something of that nature.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Ah hah...here it is
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d8165eb03/Draft-predictions
And for anyone that didn’t get a chance to see it, it’s woth taking a look at. Very interesting stuff.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
They’re replaying it on NFL Network right now for wnyone who has that channel
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Yeah that's where I saw it
Good stuff from both of them.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Why take Spiller
when you need a tackle? 49ers should take Anthony Davis.
The Ultimate Realistic Mock Draft
1A) Anthony Davis - RT Rutgers
1B) C.J. Spiller - RB/KR/PR Clemson
2) Kareem Jackson - CB Alabama
3) Demaryius Thomas - WR Georgia Tech
4) Mike Johnson - OG Alabama
5) Sean Canfield - QB Oregon State
6) Keaton Kristic - OLB Oregon State
7) Dexter Davis - OLB/DE Arizona State
I'd rather take a tackle too
but this draft is rich with offensive line talent and the dropoff between the first round and 2nd round talent isn’t that great, especially since what we need is a RT not a LT.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
But in that situation there is no 2nd round pick
The 49ers would have to wait until the 3rd round to select their RT.
That would be a failure, IMO.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:17 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think Calloway would be a failure as a RT
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
The worst part of the 2009 49ers was not only the OL but especially RT
Why do people want to pick up a RT in the 3rd round or later?
You have to fix what needs to be fixed with top talent.. Bulaga, Campbell, Williams or Davis would fit that mold.. and help secure the Offense. Then there also the great need for a good LG… Baas will only stay one more year if he does re-sign with the 49ers in 2010 as a RFA.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I think Bulaga/Campbell/Davis/Williams has a better chance at succeeding at RT
Don’t you?
I’m sick of seeing poor play from the RT position.
Why can’t the 49ers just draft a stud instead of taking a risk by putting a 3rd round pick in the starting lineup?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:26 AM PST up reply actions
Williams has probs in pass blocking. Plus it’d be a pretty big reach for him even at our 17th I think. He is more of a bottom 1st round to early 2nd IMO
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
He did an exceptional job at RT in 2008.
I still think he’s better than Calloway.
I’m just saying that if the above scenario goes down (trading for Berry) and the 49ers are left without a 2nd (again), they better jump for the best OT available.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:31 AM PST up reply actions
If it came between drafting a stud lineman
or giving up that pick to get Berry I’d get Berry every single time.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
You can have both.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
As would I
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
Anthony Davis has issues
He’s got footwork issues, work ethic issues, pass blocking issues, and Bic Mac issues….etc.
He’s an alright prospect but not the best fit in SF probably
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
It's probably going to be a wild offseason...
there are rumored to be a bunch of players on the block and alot of the teams will be scrambling to set their rosters before the possible lockouts as well as a possible rookie cap also.
I expect to see 10%-20% more trades and deals this offseason because of it, which in turn could effect the draft quite a bit. Buckle up because it’s about to get nuts in the next month or so.
Btw, should I buy extra absorbent depends for draft day…or…?
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I would
I bet there will be more trades than normal in this draft than there normally are. I remember watching the draft when Cleveland got both Thomas and Quinn and how excited I was watching that happen, just because it was so cool. I expect to see lots of movement in the draft.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
More in the later rounds I am assuming. I almost expect our FO to make some later in the draft as well. People will be giving up picks for players here soon too. I don’t think the 1st Round draft order is all set quite yet. There should be a shift or two before FA ends
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
It'll definitely be a wild off-season
Already started with the release of Porter than the unrelease since it’s not officially an uncapped year yet.
Matt Forte was just signed by the Bengals to a one year deal. OchoCinco is tweeting that T.O will end up in Cincy as will Pacman Jones.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Wow, didn't catch that about Forte...haha, 1st Benson, now Forte?
Bears are just drafting for the Bengals. Guess the Bears will be in the market for some RB’s sounds like then.
Heard all the rest about the Bengals though. Didn’t they sign former Jags WR Matt Jones today also? And the Jags dumping Holt, Thomas and the other guy. God, I hope we dont pick up Holt…it’ll be like Bruce all over again. We need fresh young guys in there.
What else has there been rumors about? Seems like we’re missing something else.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Sorry
meant Matt Jones, not Matt Forte. We need to do a thread dedicated to free agency moves since they’re going to start happening fast.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Good idea
You should email Fooch about it and grab the bull by the horns
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
In this case...
…Is Fooch the bull?
I see him as more of a young horse or something.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 13, 2010 1:34 AM PST up reply actions
Torry Holt
may go to the Bears (Mike Martz)… sounds like he will from what he was saying about Martz and CutLOLer
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I like it pretty much LOL
Only thing I can see us missing is a speed WR, Barnes is good, but slow. Possible changes: In the 6th get Thurmond and at worst have a KR/PR guy and most probably a good CB (not too familiar wiht Priest maybe he’s in that same Thurmond/Ansah mode). Banks or Holliday would be good KR/PR guys too. I’m trying to find some info on this small school kid now Kelton Tindal, supposed to have 4.28 40 speed and I want to check out his hands. Thinking bring him in UDFA in the preseason take a look at him. Also not sure of his KR/PR or route skills probably not good on route skills.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 14, 2010 5:36 AM PST up reply actions
2.5 mc
1. spiller, haden or Mcclain
1a. best tackle 2.Kyle wilson 3.john jerry 4. chad jones 5. freddy barnes 6. jared veldheer 7. walter thurmond
I think you mean Rashad
Chad looks like a solid 2nd rounder, and I don’t think even Reshad will be available in the 4th. Also have some doubts of Thurmond being around in the 7th at our 205th (?) pick. And Veldheer is probably going 3rd or 4th, not 6th.
Again all this is just based off what I’m seeing from CBS and ESPN as far as rankings of players.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 14, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Valdheer will go in the first three rounds, and may be the best RT in the draft.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
He may be good but projecting him in the first 3 rounds is not likely mainly due to him not getting that much attention. I see him as more of an early 4th to mid 4th type of guy. In any case, 6th is probably out of the question.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Wait a minute Drew, after I asked you about him, I looked him up and there has been a bizz about him since the Senior Bowl.
The combie will further supplant him in the first three rounds. Vollmer did go in the 2nd last year to the Pats.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Vollmer
just cause it happened in one scenario doesn’t mean it will happen in every scenario. Don’t make the exception the rule
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Well, anyways we have to wait until late April to see but a kid at 6'8" with agility and from what I hear is best at containing edge rushers will be a hot commodity in the 2nd and 3rd. No way he goes in the first.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Im not saying it can't happen
I’m just saying wait until after the combine before you bump a guys stock that high when he’s been a 4th-5th rounder all along
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
OK Now this is what I have been talking about.
I am all for jumping on your bandwagon ( Do you have nice pillow cushions for me to sit on?), but I would like to know who you would draft for RT and Why? Bulaga or Campbell or even Davis are good OTs.. but maybe better LT.. so if you suggest a good RT… please give me the reason why.. you do it all the time for every other pick…. and you are good. So, I am betting you can convince me to come on over. ;-)
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
If Spiller is gone by 13
I’ve been playing around with the idea of trading 13 back to whoever for a late 1st and extra second:
1a (17): Best OT Available
1b (somewhere): Either Iupati or Taylor Mays/Earl Thomas
2a: Mardy Gilyard
2b: Chad Jones (if we take Iupati 1b) or Ciron Black (If we take a S at 1b)
Though I guess Ciron Black is an OT…then maybe target Asamoah or John Jerry at 2b
You may have to take Thomas at 13 if you want him. I could easily see the Giants taking him.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Exactly
if you want him that bad, you’ve got to get him 13. Otherwise, out of Mays or him, one of them should be around. But for his sceanrio, absolutely you get him with the 1st of the two picks
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
As much as I don't trust the pick Thomas fits more of what we need at safety, we have hitters every where else.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Maybe
I’d almost rather have Mays with how adaptable he is. I love his attitude in that he says, “I do whatever the coaches tell me to do”. And he’s athletic enough to back that up.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
He needs to be coached up in regards to playing dep coverage safety, Thomas does not as much and has shown already what he can do. Mays is more of a project coverage safety.
And both need help with tackling, so THomas has one up on Mays.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
I don’t necessarily want Thomas; I like Mays, too. I just see this as a scenario where we can address all of our most significant needs in the case that Spiller is gone.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Feb 14, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
Tony Pashos (RT)
I am surprised that up to this point no one has brought up the possibility of Tony Pashos starting for us next year at RT…. possibly even Sims. Pashos, when in, seemed to have done a great job over there. It was only a few games before he got hurt, but I thought he looked good. And Sims flat out played better than Staley at the LT position. We saw how Rachal struggled early on, do we really want that same scenarion for the 1st half of next season with another rookie at RT?
Personally I would be happy with one positional player both on defense as well on offense for our two 1st Round Picks.
Offensive possibilities 1st Round:
CJ Spiller
Dez Bryant
Mardy Gilyard
Damian Williams
Defensive Possibilities 1st Round:
Earl Thomas
Taylor Mays
Brandon Graham
Rolondo McClain
I know our line has had questions but honestly with the exception of Okung, I don’t really see any of the other guys contributing the way that Oher has this year as a rookie. Most of the other guys (i.e. Campbell, Bulaga, Davis) play Left Tackle. Staley played RT his rookie year but was naturally a LT and look what happened there; he got ran over. All I am suggesting is that LT and RT are alot different and not everybody has the skill set to play both. I doubt that Trent Williams is the answer for the 1st round. He would be a reach at 17 and also remember that not once, but twice, he gave up sacks that led to Bradford’s shoulder getting blown up.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I'd take him late in the 1st
I still think he’s a 2nd round prospect because of the enormous amount of depth at the WR position this year.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
I heard from one of the Matt's I believe that Sing and McC really like McClain...
And if they feel the future of the SS/FS positions are already on the team then McClain could very well be the pick. So instead of going up for Berry they would go up for McClain.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Yeah
the good ol’ Matt’s… sometimes I think they just make stuff up because they don’t have any real info. More from Maiocco than Barrows but none the less, that’s the impression I get when I read some of their stuff. 50/50 chance there’s truth to that
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I will remember that .. thanks
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Barrows, maybe.
Definitely not Maiocco.
He’s never wrong when it comes to reporting facts.
He’s talked up McClain recently, but he’s stated that those were HIS opinions, he never said that the FO liked McClain.
He just said he though the would be a good fit.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
Maiocco?
Is that a joke?
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
When has he lied?
He reported that MC Hammer was at the Crabtree negotiations.
That was true.
Occasionally, every beat writer is going to throw out his own opinion on certain things.
Don’t confuse his opinions with the other stuff he reports.
As a matter of fact, Maiocco isn’t even a 49ers fan.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
What does that have to do with reporting good info or not?
Next time I read something with clear bogus written and Maiocco’s name attached to it, I’ll be sure that youre the first to see it
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
OK
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 17, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
I'd trust Barrows before Maiocco
though I read both because they each have a good perspective.
Barrows doesn’t report anything unless it’s solid—Maiocco reports lots of rumors.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
And if they feel the future of the SS/FS positions are already on the team
Who would that be (@ SS)? Reggie Smith?
by InTimmyWeTrust on Feb 14, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
We still have no idea what Curtis Taylor is bringing to the table. He was a 7th but you never know… just sayin. Reggie Smith was an awesom Safety in college, he has the tangibles. Both are very young and Taylor was injured most of the year so we’ll see what he’s bringing in the pre-season. I imagine that we’ll stiill draft another Safety although where and when is a mystery
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I like Reggie Smith
Seems like he could be a playmaker
by InTimmyWeTrust on Feb 14, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't wait on him, I would be tired of waiting on him to be healthy.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Good philosophy
maybe we should cut Frank Gore too cause I am tired of waiting for him to be healthy.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
It's not the same.
Frank Gore is a proven star.
Reggie Smith hasn’t proven anything.
I don’t think we should cut him, but if he fails to deliver next year….I think the 49ers should cut bait.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
at RT…. possibly even Sims.
May God/Budha/whatever you believe in Strike you down for saying this.
Were you asleep all of 2008?
BTW: Sims struggling (understatement) at RT in 2008 supports your claim that LTs struggle at RT.
You should do some more research on this if you want to make a legitimate argument though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
you FAIL
did you read the bottom portion of what I wrote…evidently not. Sims only started 8 games though and I thought he did fine for getting thrown in to the fire like he did.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Getting thrown into the fire?
If he was thrown into the fire by Joey Porter, then yes, you’re right.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
One bad game? Okay if that’s your definition of “struggling being an understatement” then so be it. Btw, he really got worked…Porter had 3 Tackles and 1 sack….yikes!
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
ONE?
He was horrible whenever he stepped onto the field.
Fans were calling for his head after the season.
We were actually happy to have Snyder starting at RT over Sims. Some people wanted Sims to be cut in favor of Boone.
As for the Miami game: Vernon Davis and Joe Staley handled Porter for most of the game.
He was matched up against Sims one on one when he got his sack.
Go look in the archives and you’ll see the fan reaction when Bary Sims was mentioned.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 17, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
What?????
What fans? You and what other person?
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
2008
The entire team was atrocious… if your are going to try and single out Sims when the entire line did not play as a “unit” I think that is extremely unfair
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Sims was the 2nd best OL last season, so who cares about 08, and in Martz system, most lineman look bad.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
You may be onto something there.
Although Rachal (near the end of the season) and Heitman played well in Martz’s system.
But you can’t deny the fact that Bary Sims looked lost for most of the 2008 season.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 18, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
I can and I will
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
You must have a terrilbe memory.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 20, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Every single 49er fan, everywhere.
Except maybe you.
He was horrible in 2008, I’m not saying that SF sucked in 2008 because of Sims.
Just that Sims, individually, sucked at playing RT.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 18, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Go look in the archives on this site
And any other 49er site for that matter.
I’m willing to bet that 80% of fans wanted Sims out of here after 2008.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 20, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Getting Offensive
1st Round, Pick 13- C.J. Spiller RB (Clemson)
1st Round Pick 16 or 17- Bruce Campbell OT (Maryland)
2nd Round- Vladamir Ducasse G (Connecticut)*
3rd Round- Arthur Jones DE (Syracuse)*
4th Round- Mardy Gilyard WR (Cincinnati)*
5th Round- Myron Rolle S (Florida State)*
6th Round- Walter Thurmond CB (Oregon)
7th Round- Brandon James RB (Florida)*
IYou have the rounds correct I believe with the exception to Gilyard in the 4th. He is going to be selected in the 1st or 2nd most likely
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Maybe insert Ford there instead?
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I think NFL owners will look at Gilyard -
See his work ethic, hear his story and probably eat it up but considering his “lack of” size and “speed” he’ll definitely dip out of the 1st round. 2nd/3rd most likely but he’s a 4th round guy IMO. I like him a lot but I had to go with Arthur Jones in the 3rd.
If we put Ford in the 4th, James in the 7th would be senseless. I definitely like Jacoby Ford and he definitely would give us some flexibility in both our return game as well as (possibly) from the slot.
… In retrospect… I’d like to see Eric Norwood in the 4th…. LoL… That’d be nice.
Size?
He’s 6’1 and he’ll probably be about 190 when he comes out of training camp…so I don’ tthink that is too far off an average NFL WR.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
or less? I assume you got that from the Sr. Bowl weigh ins
In anycase, DeSean Jackson is about that same size and he does just fine. So don’t use “size” as your main argument. Use other things but not size
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Average?
I’ll wait until the combine to see that with my own eyes
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
gilyard
they dont play tight in the senior bowl. against Florida he was just another player getting his ass kicked. that competition level is closer to what he would see in the nfl.
Well its evident that you don't like him
but I’ll have to disagree, I think he has all the tools to be a success at the next level. If Jackson and Steve Smith can do it, so can Gilyard IMO. That may be true with McCluster but I dont think so with Gilyard one bit.
Time will determine how good he’ll be at the next level, not you or I
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Average?
LOL, go to you tube and then come back and say that with a straight face. (screen) LOL
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
It’s hard to tell… you’re typing. LOL
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
Gilyard
Is a quality person. I think we could definitely benifit from having some one with his competitive nature and drive on our team and I think it would compliment a guy like Crabs who seems pretty laid back but extremely gifted.
If Mardy is not available in the 3rd or 4th, I won’t be heart broken.
I think that the most important thing to take from this is this: Is he a football player?
The answer is Yes.
Obviously the kid’s got skills and mental capacity to be successful at the next level. At Cinci, against Florida – his team was forced to be one dimensional, limiting his ability or those around him to be successful against one of the best defenses in the entire country.
He will add the weight, show up every chance he gets to prove who he is and to not let other people dictate what his career will look like in 10 years.
You guys can bump heads all night but it doesn’t change the fact that owners draft players based off of interviews and what they see at combines. ..Well, most owners…
Gilyard as well as many other prospects (like, Toby Gerhart) won’t shine as much as others (Carlos Dunlap, DHB from last year) will get overlooked because they’re not physical freaks of nature. They’re football players who rock at their positions.
Mardy Gilyard
wont make it to the 3rd-4th round.
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
...Ughhh.... I know
1. He’s a good WR prospect.
2. He’s a good character prospect.
3. He won’t last past the 2nd round.
4. If he WERE to slip to the 3/4 rds – he’d be in red and gold next season.
Jackson is not built the same though.
He’s faster and more explosive than Gilyard.
I think Gilyard is a bit stronger than Jackson, though. (which may help his durability).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
He’ll be lucky to get off the line of scrimmage. I dont see what everyone sees in the kid. He isnt in the same league as Damian Williams!
Some say he ran a 4.2 40 and there is a difference when a guy runs the 4.5. I guess the combine is what we need to see.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
I think Damian is much better.
But Gilyard can still be a good player.
I see him primarily as a slot WR.
He may move to the outside if he can develop more strength to get off press coverage.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
IF... we don't sign or trade for a FA KR/PR
I think Spiller and Ford could be the choice you would have in those slots.
The reason is because Sing said they going to get more than one Returner either in FA/Trade or the draft…. .
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Yes, Size.
6’1" – standing on my mom’s shoulders.
190 lbs – soaking wet, bench pressing 180 lbs.
Definitely not 190…
This proves nothing.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
Neither does this^
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
I wasn't trying to.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
The why write that?
The Tim Tebow Story "A Bust In The Making" ...Part 2 Coming After The Draft...Stay Tuned.
To get him to try to add more substance to his comment.
Stats aren’t everything, Drew.
You should know that.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 17, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
Gilyard and Arenas make much more sense (from a pure KR/PR perspective).
If you’re going to get two return guys, why not get the best?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 16, 2010 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
Gilyard
You don’t think he is a good WR? IMO he is WR that were looking for. A speed slot WR that can also help in the return game..
He's a solid WR
He’s an excellent KR though.
His KR skills played a huge role in the PIT game that allowed Cincy to stay undefeated.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 17, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
The receiver we are looking for is Bey Bey Thomas, someone strong in the running game, so Sing won't mind a 3 WR set.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
NFL network said he hurt his foot
And now he won’t participate at the Combine.
I think this will really hurt his stock.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 18, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
I think his stock will take a big fall soon.
A lot of talented CBs are emerging and Arenas’ stock is going to suffer because of it.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Feb 18, 2010 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Speed draft - Just for fun
Haden – CB
Spiller – RB
Mcluster – WR
R. Jones – S
I'd be ok with this draft.
I’m one of the few people on this board that like Haden.
Just not addressing Tackle at all, that’s the only prob with this draft.
Only problem?
Spiller and McCluster are essentially the same position. KR/PR slash RB, and/or WR. Whatever you call it, that would be a wasted pick. I understand it is for fun, but it isn’t very realistic to draft these players. I agree about the tackle position, but spiller and McCluster doesn’t make sense at all.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
I agree
if you’re getting McCluster there’s no reason to get Spiller and vice versa.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
Not exactly what I meant. If you spend a 2nd rounder on McCluster, you may as well have selected SPiller in the first.
Taking McCluster in the 2nd is waaaay too high.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
Well I think McCluster goes at least in the 3rd
I feel pretty confident that he’ll be gone by our 3rd round pick, so if you want him and don’t want to draft him in the 1st the 2nd makes sense.
However there’s no need to get two players to do the same job.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.
If you have a chance at Spiller in the first and pass on him, McCluster inthe 2nd does not make sense.
Matthews would make more sense and a late round return guy.
Tribute to #42 Ronnie Lott
I want to trade for pick #5
Equation= 1,2,2,3,3 is a lot better than 1,1,2,3 in a deep draft, especially when your 1 nets you E berry.
Alex Smith is not a bust, he is a product of poor management and coaching.
5 or 7?
Balanced draft with offensive emphasis. Pick 13 CJ Spiller 17 to Chargers 28 DI/DET Jared Odrick 48 WR Demaryius Thomas 60 S Reshad Jones
79 Jared Valdheer 110 OG Marshall Newhouse 141 CB Akwasi Owusu Ansah 172 OLB O'Brien Schoffield 208 FB Manase Tonga (He and Britt Miller can swap off and one play blocking TE and one FB)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Mar 13, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
