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100 in 100: Tim Tebow (34 of 100)


All you have to do is say one word to create instant controversy in the sports world..."Tebow". Florida Quarterback Tim Tebow was arguably one of the best players to step on a college football field. Though he has had several accomplishments through the course of his collegiate career, he has managed to be the center piece of this years most contraversial sports figure. Yes, I said it, more controversial than Michael Vick, Plaxico Burress and Brett Favre combined. You either love him or hate him and there's really not much in between. Well maybe, if you include the three fans that sit on the top of the fence Switzerland in the argument saying, "he could be something someday because of his work ethic".

It is hard for me to see that Tim Tebow would be ready to start for any NFL team this year, possibly the next, or quite conceivably ever after watching him perform in the Senior Bowl this year. Some people say that it was a bad move for him to participate in this year's Senior Game and should have just stuck to a pro day to show scouts what he was made of. Others say that it was a bold move for him to show scouts that he wasn't "afraid" of any challenge. While both these philosophy's may be true to a certain degree, the general consensus has been that Tebow will not do well as an NFL Quarterback. Some have even gone as far to say that he will, or should be converted to an H-Back.

Out of High School, Tim Tebow was torn on which school he should have signed his intent to. The two major schools that were tugging on Tebow back and forth for the signature on the dotted line were Alabama and Florida. It was an ironic ending for Tim Tebow in '09 when him and the Florida Gators lost the SEC Championship to Alabama... the team that he had turned down. I guess you could call it a bitter-sweet ending for Tebow considering all the accomplishents he had already had prior to that specific game.

In 2007, the Florida Quarterback earned the nod for the starting spot at Quarterback as a Sophomore. That year, Tebow had broke two SEC Records; the first in rushing touchdowns and the second in total touchdowns. He went on to be the second Sophomore in history to win the Heisman Trophy Award. However, they lost their bowl game that year, The Capital One Bowl against Michigan 41-35. 

2008, Tebow returned as the starter hungrier than ever to get to The National Championship. He quenched his appetite as he led the Florida Gators to a 24-14 victory over the #1 ranked Oklahoma Sooners.

In his final year as a Senior, Tebow returned with high hopes once again. He had a great supporting cast around him and led the Gators undefeated all the way in to SEC Championship where they would face Alabama again, only this time they fell short 32-13. One of the most memorable sports moments of 2009 featured Tim Tebow on one knee shedding tears on the sidelines after the beating they were handed by the Crimson Tide. The Sugar Bowl wasn't what Tebow had hoped for, but he had the greatest game of his career and led the Gators to a victory over the undefeated Bearcats 51-24.

Although Tebow has certainly had his ups and his downs, and while most of his games have been a success, it's the ones that he has struggled in that people are remembering the most. There aren't high hopes for Tebow to be successful by most and this could take some of the pressure off. If he can fix some of the things that he is being knocked for, he will have a chance to be decent someday. Even though I say this, it does not make me one of the "Tebow" believers just quite simply a cautious observer.

Below the jump, I'll provide some of the highlights, stats, awards, and give a projection of where I see Tebow landing...

Star-divide

 

In this video, you can see that Tebow likes to run the ball and sometimes takes off when in the pocket too early. He doesn't take time to go through his progressions and some of his passes look real sloppy. His mechanics aren't consistent all the time. He does show flashes here and there of being capable of making plays but at the next level, alot of what Tebow is good at won't translate as easily.

 

AWARDS AND HONORS:

  • 2006 SEC All-Freshman Team
  • 2007 Walter Camp Foundation
  • 2007 SEC Offensive Player of the Week (X's 3)
  • 2007 Davey O'Brien Award
  • 2007 Heisman Trophy Winner
  • 2007 Maxwell Award Winner
  • 2007 Walter Camp Award Finalist
  • 2007 NCAA Quarterback of the Year
  • 2007 Manning Award Finalist
  • 2007 ESPN The Magazine Academic All-American
  • 2007 Offensive Player of the Year
  • 2007 SEC Player of the Year
  • 2007 ESPY for Best Male College Athlete
  • 2008 First Team All-American
  • 2008 Disney Spirit Award
  • 2008 Heisman Trophy Finalist
  • 2008 Maxwell Award Winner
  • 2008 SEC Championship Game MVP
  • 2008 SEC Player of the Year
  • 2008 SEC Scholar Athlete of the Year Award
  • 2008 Wuerffel Trophy Winner
  • 2009 William V. Campbell Trophy Winner
  • 2009 Lowe's Senior Class Award
  • 2009 Heisman Trophy Finalist
  • 2009 First Team All-SEC
  • 2009 Second-Team All-American
  • 2009 SEC Offensive Player of the Year

CAREER STATS:

Stats Overview Passing
YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2006 22 33 358 66.7 10.85 55 5 1 0 201.73
2007 234 350 3286 66.9 9.39 66 32 6 13 172.47
2008 192 298 2746 64.4 9.22 70 30 4 15 172.37
2009 213 314 2895 67.8 9.22 80 21 5 29 164.17
2009 Regular Season Game Log Passing Rushing
DATE OPP RESULT   CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
9/5 Charleston Southern W 62-3 10 15 188 66.7 68 1 0 193.94 2 1 0.5 1 1
9/12 Troy W 56-6 15 24 237 62.5 36 4 0 200.45 13 71 5.5 15 1
9/19 Tennessee W 23-13 14 19 115 73.7 18 0 1 114.00 24 76 3.2 15 1
9/26 @Kentucky W 41-7 5 10 103 50.0 44 1 0 169.52 16 123 7.7 30 2
10/10 @LSU W 13-3 11 16 134 68.8 26 1 1 147.23 17 38 2.2 9 0
10/17 Arkansas W 23-20 17 26 255 65.4 77 1 0 160.46 27 69 2.6 16 0
10/24 @Mississippi State W 29-19 12 22 127 54.5 21 0 2 84.86 22 88 4.0 26 1
10/31 Georgia W 41-17 15 21 164 71.4 29 2 0 168.46 18 85 4.7 23 2
11/7 Vanderbilt W 27-3 15 20 208 75.0 64 1 0 178.86 16 27 1.7 12 1
11/14 @South Carolina W 24-14 14 25 199 56.0 68 1 0 136.06 16 26 1.6 13 1
11/21 FIU W 62-3 17 25 215 68.0 29 2 0 166.64 7 102 14.6 55 1
11/28 Florida State W 37-10 17 21 221 81.0 39 3 0 216.50 15 90 6.0 47 2
12/5 @Alabama L 32-13 20 35 247 57.1 59 1 1 120.14 10 63 6.3 23 0
2009 Postseason Game Log Passing Rushing
BOWL OPP RESULT   CMP ATT YDS CMP% LNG TD INT RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD
ALLSTATE SUGAR BOWL Cincinnati W 51-24 31 35 482 88.6 80 3 0 232.53 14 51 3.6 17 1

 

SUMMARY AND PROJECTIONS:

As I mentioned before, Tim Tebow will have to work diligently on his mechanics as well as his ability to take snaps from under center, something of which he was not custom to at Florida. His throwing motion is long and will need to be fixed. Changing someone's throwing mechanics doesn't always pan out. This will be a major concern for teams considering to draft him. There is 32 Teams in the NFL and it only takes one... so I hear anyway. The issue I have with that, is that if all 32 Teams are asking themselves the same thing, then where does that leave Tebow in the draft? Some still say 1st Round possibility and others have him dropping all the way in to the early 4th Round. I don't expect Tebow to drop to the 4th but somewhere in the mid 2nd or early 3rd Round, although I think that drafting a "project" Quarterback in the 2nd is a little high. He stands 6'3" and weighs 245 LBS.

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I can’t really vote for either one. I think he could find success but I’m not convinced of it. As a QB I’d say probably little chance, but at other positions, he’s athletic enough that I could see it.

by David Fucillo on Feb 14, 2010 4:39 PM PST reply actions  

Back in ancient history:

It was not uncommon for college QBs to covert to other positions when they joined the NFL: Safety, RB, even CB, especially coming out of Ohio State. Coach Woody Hayes was famous for having one of his best, if not the best athlete on the team play QB. In those days Ohio State avoided the pass like the plague. His style was three yards and a cloud of dust. Hayes was often quoted as saying "When you pass there’s only three things that can happen, and two of them are bad."

by CorneliusJ on Feb 14, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

switch him to a new position

I think Tebow’s agility and speed would be better used at running back or return specialist…something along those lines. Quarterback is obviously not his strong point, but he is definitely a good football player in other aspects..

by Shaddix55 on Feb 14, 2010 4:47 PM PST reply actions  

Miami

I can REALLY see Tebow going to the Dolphins… I think that’s probably the only place he has a realistic chance of playing QB.

by Joshpreet on Feb 14, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Pat White

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Chad Henne

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Average QB at best

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 14, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Rubbish.. he’s going to be an elite QB in this league. He is better than Big Ben was his first year and there is all kinds of people that put him in that elite class. I’d like to see what you categorize Tebow at if you only think Henne is average. He didn’t even play a full season and nearly had 3000 yards… his comp% was above 60%… I would say that is pretty exceptional for a rookie QB who didnt get a full season to play.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Chad Henne vs Alex Smith

274/451. 60.8% completion rate. 32.2 attempts per game. 2,878 yards. 6.4 yards per attempt. 205.6 yards per game. 12 TDs, 14 INTs.

225/372. 60.5% completion rate. 33.8 attempts per game. 2,350 yards. 6.3 yards per attempt. 213.6 yards per game. 18 TDs, 12 INTs.

Which is which, and if you’re calling Henne an elite QB prospect are you willing to go out on a limb and say that Alex Smith will be an elite QB prospect?

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 14, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Rookie vs. 5 year vet. And yeah, I think that Alex Smith has what it takes to get to that next level. But I don’t know what one has to do with the other. It’s apples to oranges really when you are talking about a rookie vs vet. If anything you just proved me right with that scenario. A rookie is playing at a 5 year vets level for the most part.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions  

You're calling Henne an elite QB

when his stats are the same as Alex Smith whom I’ve never heard you defend as an elite QB.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 14, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I said “going to be”… meaning has the potential to be. You said he was average making it seem like that is all he’ll ever be. He was brilliant, outstanding, excellent with some of his throws.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

And

I fully expect him to continue to make those throws and get better with age which is frightening

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

His stats this year show him to be an average QB

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 14, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay…if that’s your argument. Although it doesn’t really make sense. He did better than both 1st Round QB’s statistically this year so by that logic I guess Sanchez and Stafford are below par and have zero potential to be elite.

He had more passing yards than both. He had a better comp% than Sanchez and he did better than both TD to INT ratio.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually I missed that, he had a better comp% than both guys. More total yards, more yards per game, etc etc… the list goes on and on.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

You keep calling Henne a rookie QB

He was in his 2nd year, and he was being mentored by Pennington all of last year. He’s had a much better situation than Smith or Sanchez or Stafford.

by Exystence on Feb 15, 2010 6:26 AM PST up reply actions  

None the less

it was his first year of ful-time action

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Correct, but...

You’re treating it as equal to Stafford’s and Sanchez’s year in terms of preparation, which it very obviously was not at all.

by Exystence on Feb 18, 2010 6:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok fine (apples to apples)

He did about as good as Matt Ryan then. Better?

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 18, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Henne wasn’t a rookie last season. He was drafted in 2008.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 15, 2010 8:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

horrific concussion at the end of the season

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 14, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

So? That warrants drafting Tebow? They just drafted a Wild Card QB, why on God’s Green Earth would they draft another? So every player that suffers a concusion must be finished then, is that what you’re saying?

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

You're writing off Jahvid Best

because of a similar concussion.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 14, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t draft him, no… not when I have choices. Pat White is stuck under contract with the Dolphins for a while.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Contracts mean nothing in the NFL

you know that just as well as I. If the team doesnt’ want him anymore they can dump him or trade him easily, especially with the likelihood of an uncapped year looming over us.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 14, 2010 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t see it happening especially considering that he showed real signs of talent already. The concusion probably wasn’t that severe. Wasn’t even close to the shot that Best took.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

They could get him in the 2nd but I still think it’s a long-shot

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

White was carted off the field on a stretcher

and spent the night in the hospital.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 14, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

So are alot of players through the course of the season

that doesn’t = their careers are over.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

He was trying to get up once he woke up from being knocked out

but the trainers made him stay down.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Look

I think that he will be selected in the first round but not because he doesnt deserve it but because one owner will see the big name and take a huge gamble on him. he will never be a starting QB in the NFL. i have nothing against him personally, i’m sure he is a nice guy and he has a work ethic second to known but he just wont make it. everyone talks about how much of a great runner he is and much better he was than anyone else in football but does anyone actually think that he would have the same success coming up against guys like Patrick Willis, Jared Allen, Ray Lewis and Demarcus Ware. please those guys would kill him. he’ll be great as a specialist like in a wild-cat like package or as a returner of some sort but as anything else i think that people are being delusional. He is a first rounder with third round talent, at least thats what i think

by Lok on Feb 14, 2010 5:12 PM PST reply actions  

jesus christ

i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again…. how can he throw with his LEFT arm and step with his RIGHT leg?

if you’re right handed, just stand up and try imitating a throw by stepping with your left leg in front of you

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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 14, 2010 5:55 PM PST reply actions  

So I guess Young was doing it wrong also?

I don’t get it

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

i guess the difference is

steve young had skill

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by MichaelClutchtree on Feb 14, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

For sure lol

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by 49erSalvatrucha on Feb 14, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

its supposed to be the opposite leg in front....

right handers throw with their left foot in front. i dont see your point

by thewhizkid on Feb 14, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

ummmm, im right handed and i throw with my left leg in front. in fact i dont think ive ever seen anyone do it with there right arm and leg

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by remembering9ergods on Feb 14, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Ummmm

You’re supposed to throw with your opposite foot forward, that’s why you always hear analysts talking about a QB driving off of that back leg

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by Camraman926 on Feb 14, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

if you're left handed you step into a throw with your right foot

vice versa for Right handers

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by supraman on Feb 14, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I will go on record and say this.

If Tim Tebow is in a situation, in which he doesn’t have to start right away, he can be a superbowl QB. And when I say that, I don’t mean he will win one with his arm or legs, I am saying he can lead a team to the Superbowl. I think he will need 2 or 3 seasons, with rigorous training and an excellent football coach assigned to him during games and the offseason, an asst. QB coach if you will. He can be great and he can be a bust, it really depends on when he is thrown in the fire.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 14, 2010 6:32 PM PST reply actions  

I don’t think he has the tangibles… like that one lineman said for the Jags, you’re either born with it or not… I don’t think Tebow was born with “it”. At least not at QB

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Smith wasn't born with "it" Neither was Trent Dilfer, Bulger, and a bunch of other starters in this league.

He can be coached into a decent QB, and that is all you need to win it all. Someone who won’t throw the game away.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 14, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

But is that really saying much? Rex Grosman was a SB QB too… Right now, as of this moment, I have a very hard time seeing potential. He may prove me wrong someday but right now, I am sticking to my guns.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Grosman's currently a back up

haha

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't take away from the fact he was the QB of a superbowl team.

Tebow today wouldn’t fumble those snaps, he at least isn’t gonna be THAT guy.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

you’re either born with it or not

I’ve always hated that line of thought. It’s completely false. It’s reductive. It’s dismissive. It’s annoying. And it’s dumb. Even dismissing the nature/nurture argument altogether, the entire concept that individual human beings are incapable of growth is deeply offensive.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 14, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

In sports it’s a very relevant term. Where exactly did I say he couldn’t grow? … but I will go on record “dismissively” to elaborate and say that he will only be able to grow so much because of the tangibiles he’s been “blessed” with… or not “blessed” with rather. Seems there isn’t much these days that doesn’t “annoy” you. You take things personally when they aren’t directed at you for some reason.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not sure what you mean about me taking things personally, but I’ll leave it alone.

I just don’t see what separates sports from anything else. People are capable of growth. People are capable of change. People can improve themselves, even in areas as abstract as leadership. It just doesn’t make sense to me why sports happens to be some hallowed ground where the fact that people aren’t static beings somehow doesn’t apply. That’s all.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 15, 2010 8:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Okay?

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I just want to make sure I understand what’s going on here.

You’re arguing that he doesn’t have “it” and never will, because it’s something that you either have or you don’t.

I reject the idea that skills, behaviors, and / or more abstract qualities cannot be learned, trained and / or otherwise obtained.

You agree with this, except that it doesn’t apply to athletes.

I don’t understand that line of reasoning.

Am I missing something?

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 15, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m just asking because it seems like we’re miscommunicating something fierce, and if the miscommunication is starting from my end, I’d like to have the chance to correct it. I don’t mean to come off as short as I did.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 15, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Retort

Okay let me give you an example to make it simple.

Let’s say that I wanted to be a proffesional singer from a very young age but I was just not able to carry a tune. I could take voice lesson after voice lesson and chances are that I would never be able to do that proffesionally because I was just not born with pipes. No how hard I try, no matter how dedicated I am, I will never have that star quality (the “it” factor). See American Idol. There’s certain people that take voice lesson before they audition but just don’t possess the “it” factor.

So some people as they learn skills as far as sports are concerned can better themselves at what they do but they will never get to that level of stardom. Tim Tebow can work dillegently and get to be an average player someday possibly because of his work ethic and desire but because he wasn’t gifted with natural skills to play the game will most likely fall short of “stardom”.

Maybe I should have elaborated earlier but I have been over this so many times that it may have come across as:

completely false. It’s reductive. It’s dismissive. It’s annoying. And it’s dumb. Even dismissing the nature/nurture argument altogether, the entire concept that individual human beings are incapable of growth is deeply offensive

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, “deeply offensive” was a poor choice of words on my part. I do think it’s an accurate way for me to state it, but it connotes too much.

I do see what you’re saying, and I in absolutely no way reject the notion that, for whatever reason, there are people who are more naturally gifted at certain things than others. The singing example is particularly apt, and it was a great one for you to choose. There are people who can just plain sing. There are people who train and become great singers. And there are people who don’t have that gift.

I also think that this is a good example because it shows where we diverge. We diverge right about here:

I could take voice lesson after voice lesson and chances are that I would never be able to do that proffesionally because I was just not born with pipes.

Now, to some extent, the example is flawed because physical attributes can be limiting beyond repair. For instance, I’ll never be able to dunk. I’m 5’ 6". Fact: I’ll never dunk. Doesn’t matter if I train or not. Similarly, a particular genetic makeup can make it impossible for somebody to reach certain heights as a singer. Whether it’s a vocal issue, a hearing issue, or something else altogether.

However, for the sake of argument we’ll assume that – at the very least – the simple physical capability to be successful is present. Because when we’re talking about Tim Tebow, that assumption is kind of inbred (perhaps another bad choice of words…). Anyway, I don’t think we disagree that Tebow is physically gifted. He might be raw as a person and he might have deep technical flaws, but he’s highly athletic, and blessed with speed, size, and strength. Based on nothing more than his physical body, he has the tools to succeed.

So, too, does our proverbial singer.

Of course, if you don’t agree with that about Tebow, then the argument is over. If you think he’s physically incapable of playing professional football, then that’s all there is to it. And I won’t argue. I’d disagree, but I take no issue with the notion.

However, assuming nothing more than plain physical capability, I don’t agree that there is a limit to the lengths that dedicated application can take you.

I do think there are people who never will achieve their goals, no matter how hard they try, but I don’t believe that this happens because they never can. To my mind, there are many levels to the way that a person can dedicate themselves to improvement. On one far side of the spectrum, there is complete delusion. This person might work as hard as anybody else, but their delusions regarding their own abilities limit the actual amount of improvement they make. These are some of the people you see on American Idol. Whether they have a personal delusion or they have a delusional support system, they actually believe that they sound good. It’s not that they don’t have the ability to sound good. It’s that they don’t have the self-awareness required to make the changes they need to. Even while they’re working like dogs, they don’t actually understand what they need to work for. So the work kind of goes for nothing.

There is that type of person. And delusion is extremely limiting and extremely difficult to crack. A person can escape a delusional state, but it takes pretty extreme circumstances.

These are the JaMarcus Russells of the world.

On the other far side of the spectrum is the person who is completely self-aware. The person who has no delusions about their abilities, limitations, and needs for improvement. This person is almost unlimited in that the work they do will always be applied to an area that not only can be improved, but needs to be improved, and through applied training will be improved. To continue the American Idol analogy, these are the David Archuletas of the world. I mean, the kid couldn’t even speak. His vocal chords were paralyzed. He had the length of the world to climb, and almost no way to climb it. But with the kind of self-aware determination that I’m talking about, he trained himself up into an absolute first-class vocalist.

Then, between the completely delusional and the completely self-aware is a whole spectrum of gray area. I believe that anybody who has the actual physical tools to do something can succeed. Whether they will succeed or not is determined by a combination of 1) how hard they work, 2) how far toward the self-aware side of the spectrum they fall, and 3) how far toward the self-aware side of the spectrum they are willing to push themselves.

For Tebow, I think that he has a world of work to do. I think that he’s going to have a very, very, very difficult time succeeding as a quarterback in the NFL, much less at another position.

But I don’t believe that he’s not capable of making the improvements that he needs to. If he’s a member of the delusional class, then his chances are fairly poor that he’ll even know what he needs to do to improve – work ethic or not. If he’s one of the self-aware, then it’s probably just a matter of time and opportunity before he does prove to be success.

The trick for me is that even if he is one of the self-aware, he might not get the time that he needs to make the monumental changes that are necessary for his individual success.

That is also limiting.

But I don’t think it’s beyond the realm of consideration.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 15, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Point taken

No it’s not beyond the realm….miracles can happen. LOL

On a serious note, I agree with most of that.

I think I’ll try out for Idol next year.. my Mom says I’m great!

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of singing

I had a choir teacher once who made the claim that unless you speak in a monotone you can be taught to sing. You may never grace Carnegie Hall but you’ll be able to do a passable job.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 15, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

William Hung would like to speak with you

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

For the first 8 years of his career

Steve Young didn’t have “it” either.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 14, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Steve Young did have "it"

His team didn’t

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Tebow is the opposite of that

His team had “it” and he didn’t… plain and simple. I really hope you’re not comparing Tebow to Young because Young always had great tangibles from the time he played at BYU (younger possibly) to when he retired. He never had to correct his mechanics because he was a natural.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Definite "it" then

because you’re talking mechanics and I’m talking leadership and whatever you think about Tebow’s mechanics you can’t deny his leadership.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 14, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay… then he can be a good Coach someday

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

You're dodging the question

define “it”. I hate when people say that a player lacks “it” whatever that is, because nobody can say what it is.

Is it charisma? He’s got that.
is it leadership skills? He’s got that.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 14, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Potential for greatness…. having the God given blessed talent to be in that elite class….. Destine for excellence. etc etc…all that. Don’t act like you dont know what I am talking about. Everyone knows what “it” is…or should. I dont see that in Tebow “leadership or not”…. my Phys Ed teacher was a great “leader” too…so what?

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know what you're talking about

because of it’s just pure athleticicism that defines “it” than someone like DHB should have “it” too based on his speed alone.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 14, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

What?

That makes zero sense here as an argument. You are going off track.

If you don’t know then you dont know… just say that but dont bring in a guy running fast as your defense. He has to obviously do more than that…. and Tebow will obviously have to do more than just be a “leader”. That’s the point. I have seen this story all too often to know when I am seeing it again. You can defend him to no end, as I am sure you will cause you haven’t given up yet. All I am going to tell you as far as he is concerned is, don’t hold your breath for too long.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm with you

“it” is intangible. If “it” was arm strength, mechanics, mobility, etc. then “it” wouldn’t be the hardest thing of all to scout.

When I look at Tebow, I see the anti-Ryan Leaf. Leaf had all the skills and talents you look for, but he didn’t have “it”. He was immature and incapable of leading men on the football field. All of his weaknesses are Tebow’s strengths, and his strengths are Tebow’s weaknesses.

Can Tebow overcome his weaknesses? I personally think it’s a long shot, but someone will give him a chance, and I’ll be rooting for him. He’s a unique player and would be entertaining to watch if he could somehow perform at a high level.

by microwave donut on Feb 15, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

"It"

is everything encompassed in to one. You can’t have the “leadership” and zero mechanics (and skill) and you can’t have zero leadership and a ton of mechanics (and skill). They go hand and hand and if one of those elements is missing then chances are not good. Leadership typically can materialize on it’s own through confidence and good surroundings as to where 20+ years of bad mechanics is much harder to break no matter who is around you. That is what “it” is. I hate it when people try and make an argument against simple things that are (or should be) knowns to most people.

And I can’t believe that I am hearing comparison’s to a HOF Quarterback and an unproven college QB with horrible mechanics. I am sorry but Bill Walsh isn’t around to mentor Tim Tebow and there really isn’t anyone in the NFL that comes close in comparison to Walsh….even if the Tebow/ Young comparison was a reasonable comparison.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I never made a comparison to anyone but Ryan Leaf.

If that is your definition of the “it” factor, be aware that it differs from how pretty much everyone uses the term.

by microwave donut on Feb 15, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Enlighten me

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Wayne Gretzky had the “tangibles” and he had the "intagibles.

Jerry Rice had the “tangibles” and he had the “intangibles”.

Michael Jordan had the “tangibles” and the “intangibles”

Nolan Ryan had the “tangibles” and the “intangibles”.

Arnold Palmer had the “tangibles” and the “intangibles”.

All of these guys in their respective sports had “it” because they did not lack one thing or the other. On top of already having the tangibles, they had great work ethic. Tebow is 2/3 (leadership and work ethic) and the 3rd element that’s missing (mechanics and natural ability) is without question the most important element missing to have “it”. Which is why I don’t think that he will ever amount to anything more than an average QB at best.

If all it took to have the “it” was “leadership” then by those standards Shaun Hill and Jay Schroeder have or had “it” too.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Tebow has a long way to go in a short amount of time. Odds are not in his favor.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

WRONG

These guys weren’t GREAT from day one. At least Jordan (couldn’t shoot too well and didn’t use his team)
Rice (dropped a lot of passes)
palmer, ryan, and gretzky played in sports I don’t pay attention to, so you could be right on them. I don’t know about first year wonders, maybe flashes of greatness.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s your opinion…I STRONGLY disagree that Rice and Jordan weren’t born with the skill-set. They had adjustment periods Jordan in high school and Rice in the NFL but they were short periods of time because they didn’t lack that skill-set. Tebow lacks skill set…end of story.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

All QB's who have won Superbowls don't have the it factor. Technically you didn't disprove what started this thread.

He can be special, and he can be a bust. If he slips in the draft, is he really a bust?

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by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

Expectations come in to play with him because of his college “stats”

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Even as a 2nd or 3rd rounder?

A bust is defined by a top 1-20 pick that has a lot of expectations. He is not expected to be a great QB. THe RYan Leaf’s are bust due to draft position, not college stats. Steve McNair put up phenominal stats in college in the air, hence the “air mcnair” He did not translate that to the NFL, but he was not a bust.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Disagree. What round a player is selected in doesn’t determine if you’re a bust or not…whether you make it at the next level or not does.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

What are you disagreeing with? The round?

Obviously I have to agree to disagree. So if Nate Davis does not succeed he is a bust? So there are hundreds of busts every year in the NFL? That doesn’t make any sense. A player is not drafted in the first round, because they are not expected to be a starter right away. If they are drafted in the first to be a starter right away and don’t pan out, they are a bust. Being drafted in the 3rd is a project, that does not have a lot invested in it (financially), so is not in the realm of “BUSTING”

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by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

If a player doesn’t make it, he in turn busted… busted expectations and busted what the team drafted him to potentially be which in turn makes there SEVERAL busts each year, yes. So it may not be to the degree of a 1st rounder because the expectations are much much higher but if a player busts there are in fact different degrees of it.

One of the definitions of “bust” is: to fail; to lose; to go broke.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

You can't say what that kid will be at this point in his life, it is impossible. You can only draw up an idea, and hope you are right.

You could be right or wrong, there is just more of a chance that you are right based on his QB mechanics today. That kid does have a will, and an excellent drive, and if he works on his mechanics, gets familiar with a system and has time to devote to his growth, he can be great.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

That kid does have a will, and an excellent drive, and if he works on his mechanics, gets familiar with a system and has time to devote to his growth, he can be great average.

Fixed

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

And you have nothing “factual” to despute it.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I would imagine it is a fact, that Tebow can be coached up to be an above average QB, that can win in this league.

This player said, or this scout said, or drew k said, does not dispute this fact in any way. He can be good and he can be bad, neither of us are wrong we both are guessing.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

So what are you arguing for then?

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Young talks pretty regularly about how he had to make major, major, major changes to his mechanics when he was at BYU. When you hear him talk about learning to throw from watching McMahon, that’s what he’s talking about. He would stand opposite McMahon is practice, and mimic the way that he threw the ball. Over and over until he got it right.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 15, 2010 8:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Young was almost moved to DB

at BYU his first year because his mechanics were so poor.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will probably get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Feb 15, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

The only comparisons I have seen made in reference to Tebow and Young is the running

I haven’t seen anything that has drawn comparisons in mechanics…it’s all fabricated.

Btw, didn’t you vote “Not a chance”?

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I voted “Not a chance” because I think his chances are worse than they are good. The actual poll is flawed. I voted “Not a chance” simply for lack of a better option.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 15, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I wanted to avoid putting an indecisive decision there and tried to make it as deifinitive as possible. If you didn’t feel like there was a good enough choice that suited how you felt best then you could have avoided voting all together as your option…similar to what Fooch did above.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, I wouldn’t have voted if there was a way that I could see the results without voting. As it were, I wanted to see the results. So I chose the line that best fit.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 15, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

He was with the Bucs for 8 years?

49ers definitely had it back then.

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by rlott#42 on Feb 15, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

When he was warming the bench for Joe???

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I can’t believe people are actually making comparison’s to Steve Young with Tebow…. it’s honestly sickening.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Tampa Bay '85-'87 is what I was mainly referencing

Young wasn’t a full-time starter until ‘91…. so you can’t count the small sample size from ‘88-’91 when he backed up Joe. …well you can, you can do anything you want, but it’s not exactly telling the story the way it went down. And the team from ‘88 to ’91 was arguably the best in franchise history but that’s getting away from the point. The point was that Young had it all along.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

If he can’t win with either his arm or his legs, he’s going to be a pretty sucky quarterback who never “leads” a team to anything.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 14, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

he reminds me of danny wuerffel. played for florida, won a championship, won the heisman, weak arm, not that accurate. will be an NFL bust IMO. dont waste a pick

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by remembering9ergods on Feb 14, 2010 8:33 PM PST reply actions  

Not that accurate??

I’ll take an average completion percentage of 66.45 and 16 total career INT’s anyday.

Honestly, I think Tebow can make it in the NFL. He will definitely be a project. He will need a considerable amount of work on his throwing mechanics. But he’s got something that (although I like him) Alex Smith has barely shown in his years here. He’s got a TONS of heart, he’s not afraid to do whatever he needs to do to make plays, and he’s got attitude. With the right mentoring he could easily be a winner in the next level.

by Mangoman on Feb 14, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll take an average completion percentage of 66.45 and 16 total career INT’s anyday.

What you’re failing to realize here is that a good 80% (possibly more) of those passes were around 10 yards…that’s his limit pretty much.

And fixing throwing mechanics is easier said than done. When a Quarterback has been throwing the same way for 23+ Years, it’s going to be very rough to train him to do the right thing. They tried and failed in the Senior Bowl to help him with that. It’s a natural motion for him. Heart can only go so far… if he doesn’t have what it takes “naturally” then the percentages are pretty low and stacked against him to succeed at QB.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok, so I may have sounded a little over enthusiastic

But I’ve read everything you’ve said and thought how familiar this sounds. He may not naturally have what it takes, but you know someone will take a gamble on him & like us, give him several years to show he does have it. It should be interesting to watch!

by Mangoman on Feb 14, 2010 11:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Even though I think that the odds are stacked against him, a small part of me thinks there is a slim chance that he can overcome all odds…VERY SLIM. What I am mainly saying is that it doesn’t look good or probable. There have been too many QB’s in the same boat as he is in and haven’t succeeded at the next level. Some of them don’t even make it a year before the NFL sees that they wont work out.

There have been SEVERAL quarterbacks just like Tim Tebow, that have had the same success as him in college…some even have had college Trophy’s named after them, and people similar to this situation defended and defended those particular QB’s with no end in site…until there was. Alot of these same so-called “great leaders” at the college level are now QB coaches and or Offensive Coordinators for different colleges; some even at the pro level. I just see the curve here and I’d like to stay ahead of it. If I am wrong then I’m wrong and I’ll admit it when that day comes. As of now, I feel safe enough in saying the things I have though.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 14, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Yikes!

Yeah he had it there. Shoot with all the OL problems we had you’d think he could take a few reps! Was that in preseason?

Alex has definitely, albeit quietly, shown moments of greatness.

by Mangoman on Feb 15, 2010 7:59 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah

it was preseason and that was Greg Ellis that he laid out.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

He looked terrified on that play when he laid Ellis out. Good call.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

If he didn’t have any heart he would have gotten out of the way like I have seen other players and QB’s do. He wouldn’t light up a linebacker (probowl LB) like a X-mas tree and then hover over him and talk trash.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

If the option were there

I’d choose “probably not”.

But the kid’s got game. I’d never count him out even though I don’t think he’ll make it it as a QB.

by Bob In Beaverton on Feb 14, 2010 10:24 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe, but not right away

Tebow’s mechanics are seriously messed up. Sure, he has been successful at the college level, but I’m skeptical about the NFL. His coaches at Florida want a winning team, not necessarily to prepare future NFL players, so they probably thought “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.” On the other hand, Vince Young worked rather hard to improve his mechanics and now is definitely an above average QB with good leadership qualities. If Tebow is ready to make that effort and has the humility to accept that what has worked for him at the college level needs to be discarded and changed to be adequate in the pros, he has a good chance. Trying to think as a coach or a scout, though, I would prefer a player that I could take as he was and work into my team’s system rather than one I would have to (in the words of a fan of his on another blog) “tear down and build up again”.
Overall athleticism is a plus but not a determining factor – there are plenty of extremely athletic people that need to pay to see the inside of an NFL stadium.
Any quarterback who can lead his team to a major bowl-winning season has leadership quality – at the college level. The pro level presents a greater challenge, in terms of both what you face (defense) and what you deal with on your own side of the ball. Marques Tuiasosopo was a great leader in college but never got it together in the pros.
If any team tries to take Tebow as he is and anoint him their immediate starter, they will end up with mud on their face. If they think long-term, aware that he is a project that requires a lot of effort and investment, their effort might be rewarded some years later.

by Rabbit T on Feb 15, 2010 5:43 AM PST reply actions  

Ah, I knew the Tebow thread would go over 100 comments. It definitely didn’t disappoint.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 15, 2010 12:40 PM PST reply actions  

Inflated numbers

I think 50% of them are from me. I didn’t even intend on posting in this one but I guess I couldn’t help myself.

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by Drew Kerr on Feb 15, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha, well you did say he was a controversial figure. I guess he’s just too controversial for you!

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Feb 15, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

me too!

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